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Stein Zeitung
Erste Gruppe, the Southern California Chapter of Stein Collectors International
To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research.
Erste Gruppe Chapter Bulletin: Issue No. 140 25 April 2011
Inside this issue:
1. EG Officers & Chapter Meeting Dates
2. Erste Gruppe Chapter News and Updates 3. Kellogg‟s Road Trip to the Pacific Northwest 4. Meeting the Linda and Elliott Jones Family 5. Mettlach Barrel Steins, Dr Roy De Selms
6. California Dreaming II, Ron Fox
Erste Gruppe Officers (2010)
Pres. Pat Cunningham 1st VP. George Hartman 2nd VP. Don Smith (Resigned) Treas. Roy Kellogg, Roy Kellogg, [email protected] Recording Sect. and Sunshine Lady, Sue Kellogg Historian. Sharon Cooley Board of Directors: Lee Poppie and Bill Gaumer Stein Zeitung Assembler – John Mann, [email protected].
EG Board Members
1st year board member - Chris Gundel 2nd Year board member - VACANT
Erste Gruppe Chapter meetings (2011)
6/18 General at Poppie's 7/2-7 Convention in Providence, RI 8/13 Board at Patel's 9/10 Board at George and Sherry Hartman's 10/8 General at Hill's
Golden Gate Zecher 2011 Event Calendar
July 2 – 7: SCI Convention, Providence, RI Sept. 10: Dick & Julie Hughes - Belmont Nov.: STILL OPEN
PSS meetings 2011 June 11, 2011- Redmond, OR, Betty & Gary Criswell
Sept 10, 2011- Bellevue, WA, Delsie & Earl Waring
Dec 2, 2011- Keizer, OR, Sandra & Keith Martin
SCI Updates :
SCI Conventions
Jul 5-8, 2011-Providence, RI
Late July, 2012-Annapolis, MD
Erste Gruppe Chapter News
Sue Kellogg‟s notes from The April 2011
Board Meeting. Lots of the EG big wigs weren't
there, but those of us that showed up had fun: The
Attendees were the Kellogg's, Pat McMane and
Tom, the Patel's, Cunningham and Terri, Mark
Fieger, Al Myers, Don Smith and Verna, the
Gaumers', Love's, Manusov's, Roy De Selms and
Sharon, and the Poppies x three.
A show of hands was requested for those that
plan to attend the Rhode Island Convention, Only
Kellogg's, Pat McMane and Patel's raised their
hands. There was some discussion about trying to
find new members for Erste Gruppe and getting
name tags for our membership. Congratulations to
our President Pat Cunningham who has joined SCI! Mary Myers had outpatient surgery for (?), Al didn't
remember....should have asked him before he found
the beer supply! Wilson's and Belsha's didn't make
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it but plan on coming to the Poppies' in June. Claire
Hill called me and she's doing better with her
pinched nerve in the back and drop foot. Claire has
physical therapy and a chiropractor. Gene Manusov
said he called Jon Rosenbaum two weeks ago and
Jon was very depressed. Jon said, “I do not want
visitors or phone calls”, so keep those cards coming!
Jon hasn't even started Chemo yet~
George Hartmann is trying to recover from knee
replacement and says, “It ain't for sissies”.
We are getting older, falling apart, but still like to
party. See you at the Poppies on 18 June, Be There.
FYI, Don Smith has resigned his post as 2nd
VP.
Anyone needs a good job that comes without
benefits or pay. Send resume or raise your hand.
Membership: We have lost two annual dues paying
members: Tim and Tony Peters and Paul Newman.
One lifetime member has moved without a
forwarding address: Col. Jim and Barbara Reilly
have had their EG meeting notices returned with a
P.O. note „Address Unknown‟. This has never
happened before; the P.O. usually gives you 6
months before the mail is returned to sender. Rumor
Control says, “Jim was some sort of „Super Snoop‟
(?)”…… so who knows? Maybe he is "undercover",
living incognito in a foreign land.
EG Meeting Minutes: Dec. 4, 2010 ,from EG
Christmas party
7:05 PM the meeting was called to order by
President Mark Fieger. The minutes from the Oct.
meeting at the Hill‟s were read and approved.
Treasurer‟s report was given as $12,581.49.
Jim Riley and Al Myers spent $200 on flyers and
promotions for the Ron Fox Auction in November.
It was voted on and seconded that $200 would be
given to them with our approval.
Roy Kellogg made a motion for extra money be
given to Mark Fieger for the extra money spent at
the Marmalade restaurant. An extra $10 per person
will be sent to him.
Mark Fieger gave a report from Ron Fox after the tri
chapter auction.
1. Will there be a tri-chapter auction for 2011?
2. New member Brent Taylor will join the Erste
Gruppe club.
3. 30% of the sales were brought in by the audience
4. Next year‟s decision will be up to new President
Pat Cunningham.
The new slate of officers for 2011 was decided on by
Frank Poppie, Jim Belsha and Terry Hill.
Pres. Pat Cunningham
1st VP George Hartman
2nd VP Don Smith
Treas. Roy Kellogg
Sect., Recording Sect., and Sunshine Lady Sue
Kellogg
Historian Sharon Cooley
Board of Directors: Lee Poppie and Bill Gaumer
The schedule for the 2011 meetings is as follows:
2-19 General at Roy and Sue Kellogg‟s
4-2 Board at Elliott and Linda Jones‟
6-8 General at Lee and Frank Poppie‟s
7-6/8 annual convention in Providence, RI
8-13 Board at Ravi and Pratibha Patel‟s
9-10 Board at George and Sherry Hartman‟s
10-8 General at Terry and Claire Hill‟s
Christmas party TBD
New President, Pat Cunningham, will speak about
obtaining speakers for next year‟s meetings. To get
3 speakers for a year, it would cost $750. Discussion
about money in the treasury followed. This will be
discussed further at the Feb. general meeting.
Meeting was adjourned at 7:45 PM.
Submitted by Sue Kellogg, Sect
Erste Gruppe Minutes: from Feb. 26, 2011
General meeting at the Kellogg’s’
The meeting was called to order by our new
President, Pat Cunningham, at 3:45 PM.
A big round of applause was given to Roy and Sue
for their kind hospitality and great food. The
weather held out for 20 people to join us this cold,
wintry day. The minutes were read from the
Christmas meeting of 2010 and were approved.
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Treasurer‟s report was read and we have $11,760 in
our treasury. Current annual membership dues are
still coming in which will add to our fund.
Sunshine Corner Report: There has been no word
from Gil and Annie Quinones as to their health.
John Mann had neck surgery on Feb. 25, and Carole
Mann said he was up and about in his hospital room,
wearing a neck brace and will come home on Feb.
28. Claire Hill is suffering from sciatica and could
not attend. Penny Sinder had knee surgery; Lua
Hooper had cataract surgery, and Jon Rosenbaum is
still recovering from his cancer surgery.
Several members have requested a list of current
members and their addresses. The secretary will
take care of this.
We have no nominees for the awards for the Stein
Convention for Master Steinologist, etc.
George Hartmann has volunteered to take on the role
of finding speakers for our club for this year. I will
get the list from Lyn Ayers for him.
Ron Fox will be the new PROSIT editor.
Meeting was adjourned at 4:10 PM.
Ron Fox kindly gave us a lecture of about various
steins. He was given a check for speaker‟s fees for
$150.
Submitted by Sue Kellogg, Sect.
Jon Rosenbaum Terry Hill writes:
Hi to all of Jon's friends: This is an update on
Jon's post operation days. Jon is still re-coopering at
the Norris Clinic of the USC Medical Center and
maybe will be returning to his Irvine home in the
early part of next week. As I mentioned before,
Jon's operation went well and as soon as his body
begins to respond, in this case the beginning of
regular bowel movement he will be going home.
Well, this has not happened and until it begins Jon
will not be released. Additionally Jon went through
a series of post operation exams and scans and
unfortunately when they examined Jon's lymph
nodes they found evidence of cancer. This was a
huge blow to Jon and Gail. At this point they are
looking at plans to remedy this situation. The most
probable approach will be an aggressive chemo
regime. I have spoken with Jon a number of times
since his operations and he is getting stronger each
day but is terribly dejected over the whole situation.
However, as each day goes by, Jon's resolve
becomes more intense and he wants to get on with it
all.
Jon Rosenbaum
13 Crosscreek
Irvine, California 92604-3625
Kellogg’s Road Trip to Oregon and Washington
in March 2011, by Roy and Sue Kellogg.
Roy and I were fortunate to be able to drive
up to the Northwest two days after our Erste Gruppe
meeting at our house. Of course, being retired, we
stopped at most of the antique stores we saw along
the way. Always fun looking, even though you don‟t
find what you want.
Cold, rainy weather was the norm almost
every day. While in Oregon, I spotted a concrete
deer statue for the yard. Most of you know we live
in the mountains, quite open and home to many
forest animals. Well, seeing this poor cold, wet deer
standing out in the rain, I just knew we had to take
him back to warm, sunny California.
Good thing I had my camera with me, for I
was trying to take pictures of the 3 men it took and
the use of a dolly to transport this deer to our SUV,
without laughing out loud and insulting them. It
took quite a while and many manly muscles to get
this deer into the back seat of the car, strapped in
with 2 seat belts. Of course, it was pouring rain at the
time! For the rest of the trip, we got so many double
takes from truck drivers, looking down into our car
and seeing Bambi strapped in place. was the hit of
the trip.
Of course, we had so much fun with staying
at Lyn and Janine Ayers in Vancouver, WA... They
are so congenial and we had lots of laughs. We
enjoyed their Open House on Friday night, after
most of us had been at the Portland Expo during the
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day. And their other houseguest was Phil
Masenheimer, so you know we had fun!
Michael O‟Hare hosted the dinner/meeting
the next day and was great to see fellow Erste
Gruppe members there like Ron and Sue Fox and
Les Paul. The interesting guest speaker of the day
was Robert Holczer‟s presentation on Art Nouveau
movement. He is a Holocaust Survivor also.
We spent a fun evening visiting Ted and
Glenna Scheer, formerly of Southern California at
their Lake Oswego, OR home. Glenna is now
confined to a wheelchair so it is difficult for them to
attend PSS meetings unless there are NO stairs
involved. It was good renewing our good times
together after not seeing them for two years.
After we left all our Northwest friends, we
headed for home via another route and stopped by
Jim & Jean Belsha‟s in Porterville, CA and spent the
night there, “testing out” his home brew and doing
lots of talking and laughing. Leaving there the next
morning, we stopped at Bob & Colette Wilson‟s
home in Springville, CA, to check up on them. They
were glad to see us, and now have a live-in
housekeeper to take care of them. Colette is having
memory difficulties and has a hard time speaking
and remembering names. They hope to join all of us
at the Poppie‟s June meeting.
Sure was a fun filled 10 days on the road and
visiting with people who are so much a part of our
lives. I look out at Bambi every day, and think about
all the fun we had.
Roy, Sue Kellogg and Bambi
For Sale, 3 Quality Display Cabinets:
Following is a picture of two of dad's (EG
member JACK E. SINDER, M.D., Deceased) stein
cabinets. Before Marlon and I finalize what we will
do with them I thought I would see if any members
of Erste Gruppe would have an interest in purchasing
them. There are three cabinets. Each can stand
alone. They were made for him with craftsmanship
rarely seen today... inlaid wood, brass hinges, very
strong glass shelves, two overhead lights in each,
mirrored backing. Dad paid $1,200 a piece for them.
Ron Fox thought the starting value for each would be
about $800 at this time.
Please let me know if you think anyone in the
club may have an interest. They can contact me
directly at (510) 282-3687. I have limited e-mail
access. If someone is interest they will need to make
their own transport arrangements. Right now we are
working on getting them unbolted...he did an
amazing job at that! Penny Snider, CA, EG member.
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Meeting Elliott and Linda Jones family, By Sue Kellogg and Sharon Cooley
The Jones' are such lovely people and were so
accommodating to us during the April Board Meeting.
They have three children, a 6 yr. old son named Matt, a
17 yr. old daughter living at home and a 21 yr. old
daughter who was married the week before our
meeting!!! Elliott also has a granddaughter from his first
marriage that is in the service.
Their home is huge and is equipped with 7
bathrooms and about as many bedrooms, plus they have
added the stein room. The stein room had been a work in
process but preparing for this meeting put the fire under
their feet to get things done. Linda Jones said they
finished painting the stein room that morning! Elliott has
displayed his collection like Lyn Ayers of PSS fame;
three walls of steins under plexi-glass doors on Lucite
shelving. All shelves illuminated so you can see each
stein from the top row to the bottom. The stein room also
has a built-in bar, a bathroom, and a baby grand piano.
A special thank you to Elliott and Linda Jones,
lovely people and gracious host that made us feel right at
home.
Linda Jones with her Daughter
Verna
Roy De Selms, Elliott Jones and Mark Fieger
Central Planning
Roy De Selms, Al Myers on Inventory duty.
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Lee Poppie and Frank Poppie III.
Frank and Allene Love and Pat Cunningham
Hedda (Sweet Sue) Hopper is gossiping to Pratiba and Sunnie.
The Collection, Al, Lee, Mark and Don.
Roy De Selms, Don Smith and Elliott Jones
Article submitted by Sue Kellogg with Photo images
provided by Sharon Cooley, EG Historian.
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Mettlach Barrel Steins - More Questions
Than Answers Roy De Selms, SCI Master Steinologist
It seems fairly certain that when steins that
are marked “Villeroy & Boch, Mettlach”, they were
in fact made at Mettlach. So it is with one of the
most common Mettlach #675 Barrel steins (fig. 1),
dated 1900.
Figure 1
The most usual lid is seen in figure 2 with a hops
bud and leaf in plain tan.
Figure 2
Occasionally the lid is in full color as seen in (fig 3)
dated 1906. Other lids have also been seen as the one
in (fig 4) on the #675 barrel stein in (fig 5) with the
Mercury Mark date of 1897.
Figure 3
Figure 4
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Figure 5
Most odd figural lid inlays on early V&B relief
steins are those associated with Ludwig Foltz II and I
would like to think that the barrel stein was designed by
Foltz, but cannot be certain at this point. The stein bodies
shown here are all marked with the thin “675" (fig 6) but
earlier or different mold marks have been found (fig.7).
Figure 6
Figure 7
This earlier style mark often attributed to
Mettlach, but with no confirming "V&B" or "M" or
"Mettlach" is found on steins made prior to the 1885
Mettlach catalogue. Although these early steins look very
much like the catalogued steins seen in the Mettlach
catalogues, they do not have "capacity marks" and are of
capacities different from the even 0.5 (1/2) L or 1.0 (1) L
of the metric system capacities adopted in Germany about
1875. The #675 steins appearing in the 1885 Mettlach
catalog were probably made from earlier existing models
and/or molds because they were available in capacities of
0.3 L and 0.58 L which changed by the 1905 Mettlach
catalogue to the even 0.25 (1/4) L and 0.5 (1/2) L
capacities. Note that the lid inlay is one that originally
appeared on Early (?) Mettlach stein #328 designed by
Ludwig Foltz II, but never appeared in the Mettlach
catalogs of 1885 and later. However all the examples of
the #328 stein that we've seen do not have a pewter thumb
lift and the hat faces to the rear so it can be used as a
thumb lift. This type of pewter thumb lift has been found
on other (?) Early Mettlach Wares. How these marriages
came together is not entirely clear and it appears that the
example in (fig 5) has an early pre - 1875 lid on a later
post 1890 capacity marked body".
Recently a marriage of this same #328 lid with a
Rheinhold / Merkelbach #124 stein has been seen (fig. 8).
However it can be said with certainty that the lid (fig. 9)
was transferred later to this stein since it has the #2309 on
it where higher numbers in the series have been seen on
the completed steins. It is suspected that the original #328
body had been badly damaged, but the lid was saved.
Figure 8
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Figure 9
Now let‟s turn our attention to another
claimed to be Mettlach stein #468 (fig. 10) with an
inlay with a radish (fig. 11) which also did not
appear in the Mettlach catalogs.
Figure 10
Figure 11
The stein in figures 10 and 11 is marked "468
7" (fig. 12) and does not have any Villeroy & Boch
or Mettlach or any other markings. Note the
similarity of the impressed mold number mark and
the "7" to that in (fig 7). Could this "7" be a code for
V&B at Septfontaines (seven fountains)?
Figure 12
Since this stein also has no capacity marking
and has an unusual capacity of about 0.6 liter, it was
probably made before 1875 and could be even
earlier. But was it made at Mettlach? Who knows?
What we can say is that it should be placed in the
Early Wares section if at all and definitely not in the
catalogued Mettlach section of any listing.
Now to the piece de resistance (fig. 13). Here
is a stein that I‟ve not encountered before in well
over 50 years of looking for steins and does not
appear in the Character Stein books with other
barrels or in any listing of Early Mettlach Wares.
That would probably make it rare and is the reason
for this article.
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Figure 13
First look at the relief scene (fig. 14) on the
front of three jolly fellows toasting. This is a typical
Ludwig Foltz II scene and with the pilgrims hats and
boots characteristic of his work, but no signature as
usual.
Figure 14
Note the handle in (fig 15) is very similar to
Proto-Mettlach steins by Ludwig Foltz. It has a
similar radish inlaid lid (fig. 16) which is exactly the
same size as the one shown previously in (fig 11).
The radish leaves are slightly different sizes, but they
are hand applied and therefore subject to decorator
placement.
Figure 15
Figure 16
This stein also has no capacity mark and does
have an unusual capacity of about 0.8 liter probably
dating it to before 1875. The final mystery to this
stein is the unknown to us impressed base mark
“P&S” (fig. 17).
Figure 17
The “P&S” mark is not necessarily that of the
maker, but might be that of a “finishing shop” that
ordered it made with their logo on the base. Could
this be an Early Mettlach stein? It has all the quality
of Mettlach including the white interior. If anyone
can give us more info on this stein, we would surely
appreciate it.
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California Dreaming, part two
By Ron Fox
Since the Photos from the Road series seen in Prosit has
been so popular, I thought it would be interesting to do a
similar series for local chapter newsletters, called
“California Dreaming.” This new series will feature the
most interesting steins from the collections found on the
west coast. This first segment will cover steins found in
the collections of Golden Gate Zechers. If I have never
visited your home to take photographs of your steins, I
hope you will extend an invitation to do so.
In our last newsletter, I started a new series
about the unusual steins found in collections on the
west coast. I thank you for the very positive
response. In this installment, I will be concentrating
on the unusual steins found in just one collection.
With one of the largest collections (if not the largest
collection) located in our area, it would be foolish
not to start there. Obviously, I am talking about the
stein collection of Les Paul. Anyone that has visited
his collection quickly understands his dedication and
zeal for our hobby. With his 1000+ character steins,
1500+ miniatures and 750+ early faience and glass,
one trip is not enough to take it all in. Actually,
several trips won‟t do it either. I lived there for nine
months, and every day I noticed something different.
Each day I woke up in a museum.
The first stein I want to share with you is one
of Les‟ newer acquisitions. After giving a talk at an
out of town
meeting, a collector
told him about a
hops bud stein he
owned. Les assumed
he was referring to
the pinecone, but
this collector
insisted he had a
hops bud piece.
Well, sure enough,
Les received a photo
in the mail and as
you can see, that
was exactly what
the guy had. The good news for Les was he was
unaware this stein existed and the collector was
willing to part with it. It now sits proudly within Les‟
collection.
The next stein,
with the name Karoline
on its base, has always
intrigued me. With the
shell necklace and
tropical flowers in her
hair, she must be an
important girl from one
of the Pacific islands. It
is made by Schierholz,
and to date, we have not
seen another one. I am
still looking though.
My wife became
fascinated with items
depicting the Native
American image. In
less than a year she has
amassed over 700
items from old tins to
Rookwood pottery.
When I showed her
this unusual Diesinger
stein depicting Chief
Red Cloud, I was
directed to find her
one, and she would
like hers in color!
She‟s tough and I
better find one soon. It
is going to be very
difficult, as this is the
only one we are aware
of.
The next stein
is a frog stein is
usually found with the
frog playing a banjo.
This rare version, with
him playing a squeeze
box, is another tough
stein to find. It makes
you wonder if he is
found playing other
musical instruments.
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Next, how
would you like to try
and take the fish
away from this cat?
He doesn‟t look so
warm and cuddly. I
say let him eat, and
we will visit with
him next time, on a
full stomach!
Next we have
another Cat Stein.
Now, this little ¼
liter fellow I can
warm up to. He is
made by the HR
factory and I can
almost hear him
purring. I better not
show my wife, or she
will add this to my
list to find.
Last but not least we have an Amberg
Porcelain made a
series of full figured
German military
figures. This is the
last stein from Les‟
collection. It depicts
Frederick III who
served as the Kaiser
for a mere 99 days.
He developed larynx
cancer, and died
early in his reign.
This concludes this installment and I look
forward to continue this series from another one of
our local collections. The End