Archive Session 163

8/22/2019 Archive Session 163

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ukedchat Archive 8th August2013 Hosted by @ICTevengelist

"Creativity, it turns out, is oftenpractice in disguise..."

08:00:12 @ukedchat

It's 8pm & #ukedchat with @ICTEvangelist:"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise"Unlock creativity with rote learning.

08:01:27 @ICTEvangelistTonight's #ukedchat examines how we can be more

creative08:01:52 @RachelOrr

#UKedchat @ukedchat Creativity means generatingoutcomes that are original and of value.

08:02:27 @RachelOrr

@ukedchat #UKedchat Creativity = imagination,discipline, persistence, inquisitiveness andcollaboration.

08:02:52 @csf0961@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat what is the creativityabout is it teaching creatively or teaching for creativity

08:02:57 @AcademicsUK

Do you ever use Youtube for your lessons? If so, what

are some channels you would recommend for other#teachers? #ukedchat

08:03:12 @ICTEvangelist

In his book Practice Perfect, Doug Lemov talks aboutCreativity. He says:https://www.evernote.com/shard/s38/sh/099aaf01-24bb-4473-b87d-9dfd4b90e99a/f37105fc95cdc1480b99afe1f11c61e6 #ukedchat

08:03:17 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat C ombine R earrange Eliminate A dapt T ry E xtend

08:03:22 @rlj1981

@csf0961: @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat what is thecreativity about is it teaching creatively or teaching forcreativity> we should do both


In tonight's #ukedchat I'd like us to discuss how wecan be more creative taking on board his commentsabout perfecting base skills

08:03:32 @TeacherTweaks

#ukedchat Creativity doesn't just happen. You need tohave clear structures, engaging stimuli and - most ofall - time to explore!


#ukedchat being creative through perfecting skillsthrough drilling and rote learning. Is there space forthis in our classrooms?

08:04:22 @aknill

#UKedchat in a class using #solo ongoing practice ofusing stations may encourage risk taking andcreativity at extended abstract stage.

08:04:42 @csf0961#ukedchat teaching for creativityhttp://oro.open.ac.uk/425/2/ Jeffery and Craft 2004

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@csf0961 in his book, Lemov advocates rote learningso that the brain can be freed up to be creative#ukedchat

08:05:29 @JohnsonAndrew10

#ukedchat Creativity might need a framework and

repetition so learners crawl, walk, and run, but shouldstop there to allow learners to fly

08:05:42 @ICTEvangelist @csf0961 creativity with a Big C or little c? #ukedchat

08:06:17 @ukedchat

Tonight's full #UKedchat question can be seen athttp://ukedchat.com/forum-2/ukedchat-topics/creativity-it-turns-out-is-often-practice-in-disguise/#p43 (It's a long one!)

08:06:29 @RachelOrr

@ukedchat #UKedchat What promotes creativity is aquestioning classroom, where teachers ask unusual

and challenging questions.

08:07:42 @ICTmagic

@RachelOrr I'm interested by 'value' aspect ofcreativity. Not sure that's always true. Value can be inthe eye of the beholder. #ukedchat

08:07:47 @RachelOrr

@ukedchat #UKedchat education systems give equalweight to measuring all things they value, not thosethings that are easily measurable.

08:08:29 @RachelOrr

@ICTmagic Value can be driven by the individualneeds of each school and is therefore for thebeholder. #ukedchat @ukedchat


@TeacherTweaks: #ukedchat You need to haveclear structures, engaging stimuli and - most of all -time to explore! And time to practice?


@SurrealAnarchy: #ukedchat Difficult because quoteis out of context but is he separating creativity &creative thinking? Good q.

08:09:29 @RachelOrr @JohnsonAndrew10 Two way street. #ukedchat

08:09:42 @aknill

#UKedchat having many opportunities to develop anidea and be spontaneous or creative in extending itmay be supported by core skill set

08:09:47 @ukedchat

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08:10:29 @rlj1981

@ICTmagic @RachelOrr but value better outcomesfor learners, esp for mine in terms of exam results andtransferable skills? #ukedchat

08:10:42 @ICTEvangelist @SurrealAnarchy #UKedchat he talks about

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perfecting skills so that brain is freed up to be creativeunder duress.

08:11:42 @manuela69

Root Word Bingo!http://www.teacherspayteachers.com/Product/Root-

Words-Bingo-Plus-Root-Word-TESTS-427687 #ccss#edchat #edchatie #ukedchat


#ukedchat Nightmare moment when NQT. "Ok guys,let's get creative!" A sea of blank faces... Creativitytakes practice, I've learnt.

08:12:29 @lisibo

@RachelOrr @ukedchat and where pupilsinteresting challenging questions and perspectives areencouraged and addressed. #UKedchat


RT @csf0961: @ICTEvangelist I think in teaching that

mini c is more appropriate - creativity of the novice#ukedchat

08:12:47 @RachelOrr

@rlj1981 @ICTmagic Agreed. Transferable skillsneed to be used and applied across all areas oflearning. #UKedchat

08:13:29 @RachelOrr

@ukedchat #UKedchat Creative thinking is also aboutjudgement our ability to judge the value of ideas andoutputs.


@csf0961 what about creativity of teachers?Practicing answering questions for eg can buildautomaticity allowing better learning #ukedchat

08:13:47 @aknill

@TeacherTweaks #UKedchat springing creativityneeds a back up set of skills for teachers and pupilsand a willingness to take risks.

08:14:29 @ICTmagic

@rlj1981 @RachelOrr Was thinking in the widercontext. If I make something I squirrel away mymasterpiece. I've not been creative? #ukedchat

08:14:42 @ICTEvangelist@SurrealAnarchy great point Martin - can youelaborate? #ukedchat

08:14:47 @rlj1981

@TeacherTweaks you don't present it as *creative*just this is something we are trying to help ourlearning. #UKedchat

08:15:29 @lisibo@RachelOrr: @lisibo @ukedchat #UKedchatEmbracing the diversity! Agreed!!

08:15:42 @ukedchat

Have teachers lost their nerve to be creative as theaccountability agenda demands a pedagogical shift toensure OfSTED "success"? #ukedchat

08:15:47 @MiddleLeaders Huge rise in 'Social CPD' as teachers flock to twitter

and other social media to share experience, expertise

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and resources. #UKedchat

08:16:29 @RachelOrr

@ukedchat #UKedchat Develop methods & principlesof assessment that recognise & value the aims &outcomes of creative & cultural education.

08:16:42 @TeacherTweaks @JohnsonAndrew10 #ukedchat Yes, that too. I nowshow classes my attempts, good & bad!

08:16:47 @rlj1981

@SurrealAnarchy agreed! Time constraints, and noninfinite resources can produce the most creative work,approaches, thinking.... #ukedchat

08:17:29 @csf0961

@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat although practice cansupport developing creativity I am challenged by rotelearning being creative

08:17:42 @RachelOrr

@ukedchat #UKedchat There should be a clear focus

on the needs of learners and effective learningstrategies and approaches.


@csf0961 its rote learning to allow for drilling of keyskills so that creativity can flourish on top of thosecore skills #ukedchat

08:18:29 @janeyb222@ukedchat I still think that there is scope for creativeways to meet the demands of OFSTED. #ukedchat

08:18:42 @SurrealAnarchy@ICTEvangelist #UKedchat This is, what I call in#trivium21c, the 'grammar' of the domain...

08:18:47 @rlj1981 @ICTmagic @RachelOrr I read Beghetto/Kaufman2007 on this today. They would call that a 'little-C'.Happy to send you the article?#ukedchat

08:19:18 @JosephBaldwin

@ukedchat Is there correlation between time and theconfidence to experiment + unleash creativity? 'Take arisk, have a go' #ukedchat

08:19:29 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat Emphasise imagination andpursue a purpose.

08:20:42 @ICTmagic

@RachelOrr I disagree that the act of creativity is onlylabelled as such when it has recognition. Surely it isabout intent. #ukedchat


@rlj1981 Important lesson I've learnt. Climateimportant. Now try to build in opps to do somethingdifferent, see how they respond #ukedchat

08:21:18 @ukedchat

#UKedchat is always on the look out for hosts for thecommunity's Thurs night sessions. If you're interested,please get in touch.

08:21:29 @ICTEvangelist@Gwenelope @csf0961 yes, and PE teachers do tobuild in muscle memory in skill etc etc #ukedchat

08:21:33 @rlj1981 @SurrealAnarchy @ICTEvangelist can you explain

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what you mean- dialectic? I only understand this interms of Hegel/Marx. Sorry! #ukedchat

08:21:47 @ICTmagic@rlj1981 @RachelOrr Yes. I would love to read it. :)#ukedchat

08:22:18 @rlj1981 @JamesTheo @ukedchat owww unsure it is one *or*the other? #ukedchat


@JamesTheo @ukedchat aren't the hand in hand?Shouldn't creativity be innate in any learningenvironment? #UKedchat

08:22:42 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat There should be lessemphasis on what is being taught and more on how.

08:22:47 @MsFindlater

@TeacherTweaks time is key. Time to focus outdistractions of everyday life. An opportunity to loose

oneself in the learning. #UKedchat

08:23:42 @danielharvey9

@JamesTheo @ukedchat #ukedchat depends on theview form ofsted about what creativity is. For many the2 go hand in hand and so a non debate

08:23:47 @JamesTheo#ukedchat Creativity is a means not an end. Itshouldn't be the focus of teaching.

08:25:18 @tstarkey1212#ukedchat is looking interesting tonight - give it a lookif you haven't already.

08:25:47 @ukedchatWhen you have finished #UKedchat-ting... next

week's topic poll is ready at http://ukedchat.com/poll/

08:26:18 @Gwenelope

@ukedchat I'm sure I have, depends a) how well YOUunderstand their criteria and b) worries of HOWobserver applies it. #ukedchat

08:26:29 @csf0961

#ukedchat perhaps one of the issues around creativityis that it is a subjective concept that is difficult tomeasure and thus assess

08:26:42 @rlj1981

@TeacherTweaks agreed! Not just about classroompractice, also choice in homework- building inopportunities for learners to shine #ukedchat


@SurrealAnarchy: Or, through sub consciouspractice challenging the orthodoxy by doing diff eachtime: think Dick Fosbury 'flop' #ukedchat

08:27:18 @JamesTheo

@rlj1981 @ukedchat Well, as creativity is a meansand learning is an end, it is important to focus on theend and not the means. #ukedchat

08:27:29 @RachelOrr#UKedchat @ukedchat Never lose sight of theimportance of knowledge and skills.


Do you think learners can develop core skills by being

creative? #ukedchat

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08:27:47 @RachelOrr

#UKedchat Pupils can engage creatively/ purposefullywith the challenges they encounter if they have a solidbase of knowledge and skills.

08:28:18 @MsFindlater@janeyb222 @ukedchat completely agree.

#UKedchat08:28:29 @JamesTheo

@MiddleLeaders @ukedchat What? Really?#ukedchat

08:28:42 @rlj1981@csf0961 working with people, always hard toquantify! #ukedchat

08:28:47 @MsFindlater@rlj1981 @ICTmagic @RachelOrr yes please#UKedchat


@rlj1981 Yes we've just moved to hw projects at KS3lasting 3/4 weeks so students can really get stuck in &

produce something fab! #ukedchat

08:29:29 @SurrealAnarchy

@rlj1981 @ICTEvangelist No need to apologise, it's in#trivium21c have a look at the reviews & amazonpreview: will explain a bit #ukedchat

08:29:42 @aknill

@danielharvey9 @csf0961 #ukedchat surely we donot have to assess everything that happens - creativitymay reinforce learning on agendas.


@ICTEvangelist I think they can learn any skill whilstbring creative. Depends what your measure of'creative' is... #UKedchat

08:30:18 @RachelOrr

@JohnsonAndrew10 @ukedchat #UKedchat Value &include a wide range of attitudes, dispositions & skills,as well as achievement in subjects.

08:30:29 @ukedchat

@JohnsonAndrew10 @janeyb222 Please try to usethe #ukedchat tag, and avoid the ukedchat @account. Thank you.

08:30:42 @MsFindlater @RachelOrr @ukedchat #UKedchat love this

08:30:47 @Gwenelope

@janeyb222 @ukedchat And if you come out with a 3or 4 grading,how confident are you to do so whencompetence called into question?#ukedchat

08:31:18 @MiddleLeadersGreat to see so many teachers actively engaged in'Social CPD' as #ukedchat is in full flow this evening.

08:31:29 @RachelOrr

@ICTmagic #UKedchat Focus on attitudes and skillsfound in the aims of the curriculum and essentials forlearning and life.


How does the practicing of key skills affect SENlearners? Can fostering skills to achieve creativityactually not be inclusive? #ukedchat

08:31:47 @csf0961 @danielharvey9 #UKedchat I passionately believe in

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creativity and its impact but feel that it looses outbecause it is so nebulous

08:32:13 @MsFindlater@agwilliams9 @JamesTheo @JamesTheo hmmm.Not sure about that. #UKedchat

08:32:19 @rlj1981@JosephBaldwin my students focus on evaluativeskills. Its easier to build these with more creative T&Lthan with worksheets &PP. #ukedchat

08:32:38 @ICTEvangelist@MrOCallaghanEdu @TeacherTweaks use the#ukedchat hash tag bud ;)

08:32:45 @davidhunter

I like to think of a balance between creativity andconsumption.I like my chn, for instance, to createmore than they consume #ukedchat

08:32:57 @ICTEvangelist@csf0961 @danielharvey9 what do you mean by that

Clare? #ukedchat

08:33:13 @aknill

@Gwenelope @janeyb222 #ukedchat If creativity ispart of your practice I would hope that you would havefeedback from managers before ofsted

08:33:19 @JamesTheo@MsFindlater @agwilliams9 Yep, me neither.#ukedchat


@csf0961 #ukedchat I try to do things as best I can,as often as I can to keep things fresh and engaging.For me it's not an overt goal

08:33:45 @TheMathsMagpie Does giving students a 'Recipe for Success' 'Successcriteria' stifle their creativity? #ukedchat

08:33:57 @RachelOrr

#UKedchat questioning/challenging; makingconnections/seeing relationships; envisaging whatmight be; exploring ideas/keeping options open


@ICTEvangelist absolutely. Have done this manytimes in the classroom. Did it for OFSTED under newframework & was outstanding. #UKedchat

08:34:19 @SurrealAnarchyAnother way of seeing: Do you want kids to beuncreative? #UKedchat

08:34:38 @MsFindlater @SurrealAnarchy some yes. #UKedchat

08:34:45 @ICTEvangelist@MsFindlater Awesome! Can you give examples /elaborate Sarah for others? #ukedchat

08:34:57 @Gwenelope

@ICTEvangelist I think SEN teaching makes youMORE creative in how you teach your subject. Had tore-learn with 100% SEN class. #ukedchat

08:35:03 @ICTmagic

I'm interested to know where creativity thinking fits intoschooling. Is it valued? Can it be fostered, but allowedto run free? #ukedchat

08:35:19 @davidhunter Basic skills do not have to be particularly creative.

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Letter layout or column adding is what it is. How youthen use them can be. #ukedchat

08:35:20 @magicalmaths

Get your class to whack the penguin in the name ofAverages - #pgce #ukedchat #edchat

http://tinyurl.com/lsecv33


@ICTEvangelist not saying this approach is essentialfor every lesson. But can be wonderful and should bedipped into if you can! #UKedchat

08:35:45 @crazyscience34

@TeacherTweaks difficult when managers makeevery teacher so uniform -this only pushes staff in opdirection #UKedchat

08:35:52 @MsFindlater @Gwenelope @ICTEvangelist so agree. #UKedchat

08:36:03 @tstarkey1212The problem I have with 'creative' is that it's often

used as a synonym for 'indirect'. #ukedchat


@ICTEvangelist @tstarkey1212 I think skills can betaught through a creative process as well as rote andboth have benefits. #UKedchat

08:36:20 @aknill@Gwenelope @janeyb222 #ukedchat yes can see owteacher creativity important.

08:36:31 @RachelOrr

@ukedchat #UKedchat imagining what the future andabove all the ability to cope with choice, uncertaintyand the unknown

08:36:45 @Gwenelope @tstarkey1212 Yes, it can do. It's a woolly term.#ukedchat

08:36:52 @rlj1981

@JosephBaldwin outputs would be filledin sheet&notes. Not same as being part of bigger thinking tosolve problems & link to exam #UKedchat


@TeacherTweaks @crazyscience34 scaffolding asconstructs but freedom to explore. Same 4 students &staff #ukedchat

08:37:19 @crazyscience34@TeacherTweaks love project based learning ! Kidsget so much out of it #UKedchat


@csf0961 @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat impact onstudents' learning and understanding can howeverand this is what's important #always


@JohnsonAndrew10 @crazyscience34 #ukedchatSome are put off creative approaches because theythink it's fluffy. Show rigour in what you do.


@SurrealAnarchy sorry, miss read that! I thought yousaid do some kids want to be uncreative. To that Imean some yes! #UKedchat

08:38:19 @ICTmagic @rlj1981 Super. Glad to hear it. But I meant the

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creativity of the students. (Sometimes 140 is notenough) #ukedchat

08:38:20 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat Effective teaching extendspupils intellectually, creatively and physically.

08:38:31 @aknill#ukedchat before I dash - from reading Oops by@HYWEL_ROBERTS the last few days I engageactively in creative lures within my classroom.


@ICTmagic The constraints, the limits, the finishingor: the notes, the deadline, the performance make theact! #UKedchat

08:38:52 @davidhunterAnyone had any success with' Google time'?#ukedchat


@csf0961 @aknill #ukedchat surely the means to

achieve great outcomes should be also be valued,captured and shared

08:39:19 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat Give credit for imaginativelessons and learning that is vivid, real and relevant.


@rlj1981 I meant would there be QR codes on thesheet that would lead to videos, web links, revisiondebate q's. Make it creative #UKedchat

08:39:31 @tstarkey1212

@MsFindlater @ICTEvangelist I'd also suggest youcan teach by rote creatively. It's a hard one to pindown. #ukedchat

08:39:45 @ukedchat

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08:39:50 @MsFindlater @tstarkey1212 @ICTEvangelist agreed. #ukedchat

08:39:52 @Primary_Ed

Teachers don't necessarily need to be creative, theyjust need to provide opportunities for children to becreative. #ukedchat #edchat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player ifyou haven't seen this Ken Robinson video oncreativity, you should #ukedchat

08:40:42 @ICTmagic

@SurrealAnarchy I see. Are those limits errr... limitedto schools? Perhaps more acute in schools, but awider issue? #ukedchat

08:40:45 @rlj1981 @JosephBaldwin nice or use AR! #ukedchat

08:41:21 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat thinking and behavingcreatively bring vitality to learning

08:41:24 @ICTmagic @rlj1981 Interesting that they have to learn it. Are

humans inherently creativity? When does that change

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in early life? #ukedchat

08:41:27 @truan_steve

Scary thought that creativity not imp as it can't bemeasured If we do that then we are continually puttingglass ceilings on YP #UKedchat

08:41:37 @LessonToolbox

T&L Tip from @miss_hlb MT Use magnetic letters totest students' spelling of key wordspic.twitter.com/HnUT9MXMKP #Literacy #edchat#ukedchat

08:41:47 @davidhunter@ICTmagic @rlj1981 when you go to school#ukedchat

08:41:57 @Stephen_Logan

An essential #enterprise skill is creativity. Being ableto think of solutions and see different outcomes.@ukedchat #UKedchat

08:42:08 @ICTEvangelist From the same book, "Drilling creates a foundation onwhich individual initiative and imagination can flourish"#ukedchat

08:42:15 @csf0961@ICTmagic @rlj1981 #ukedchat perhaps we shouldbe asking why does that change

08:42:18 @rlj1981

@ICTmagic life can do a lot to beat creativity out ofkids. It's a pleasure to teach them to play, explore,experiment even 16-19 #ukedchat

08:43:28 @s_armitage

A creative school is not an exam factory, it is notleague table obsessed, it allows and promotesfreedom for HoDs too #UKedchat


@JohnsonAndrew10 @TeacherTweaks #UKedchatovercome the pressures of not being creative by doingit anyway.Frowned upon@times but hey!

08:43:42 @NQTUK

@dockers_hoops: Live chat for NQTs: Thursday 30August, 4pm to 6pm: http://bit.ly/MZrph4 #nqtadvice#NQT #ukedchat #NQTchat @NQTUK

08:43:45 @ICTmagic @SurrealAnarchy Indeed. :) #ukedchat


Technology can also free up that creativity. Thatswhat I am looking forward to in the next year.@syded06 #ukedchat

08:44:24 @SurrealAnarchy Does Ken Robinson kill creativity? #UKedchat08:44:27 @davidhunter @SurrealAnarchy single handedly? #ukedchat

08:44:37 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat Pupils can learn more whenallowed to do own research.


@RachelOrr @ukedchat especially with our SEN andmore vulnerable students. As long as the choices aremeaningful. #UKedchat

08:45:57 @jo3grace #ukedchat #sensory learning can give you a new take

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on things & boost creativity. http://jo.element42.org/

08:45:58 @Gwenelope@ICTmagic @davidhunter May depend whichcategory your school is in. #ukedchat

08:46:18 @RachelOrr

@ukedchat #UKedchat This leaves no boundaries to

what can be learnt, and pupils learn as much as theywant about anything in the project.

08:46:28 @davidhunter@SurrealAnarchy @s_armitage @syded06 buttechnology is the essence of creativity #ukedchat

08:46:32 @ICTmagic

@rlj1981 Risk is a HUGE part of creativity. (Bring meback to the 'value' aspect too) Can failures be creativefailures? #ukedchat

08:46:42 @urban_teacher

Creativity is also about giving students richexperiences that inspire them and from there they can

come up with their own ideas. #ukedchat


RT @SurrealAnarchy: @s_armitage @syded06technology can stifle creativity too, #ukedchat < that iswhy scaffolding is essential

08:46:59 @RachelOrr

@MsFindlater @ukedchat Sometimes guided choiceis needed when developing the skills of making goodchoices. #UKedchat


@SurrealAnarchy @syded06 all bad teaching stiflescreativity. Technology is surely no different. Bad useof anything is bad. #ukedchat

08:48:24 @Gwenelope

@rlj1981 @csf0961 @ICTmagic That also needs tobe applied to teachers. #learnerstoo#notalwaysthecase #ukedchat

08:48:27 @JamesTheo

"@RachelOrr @ukedchat #UKedchat Pupils can learnmore when allowed to do own research." Hmmm.They 'can'. But will they? Probably not.

08:48:37 @SurrealAnarchy@joeybagstock I wonder if Ken Robinson's neo-Platonic zeal might be misplaced? #UKedchat


@urban_teacher saw a great example of that todayfrom @chrisleach78 in his planning 4 a Motorsportunit #ukedchat #richexperience

08:48:57 @musicmind

@ICTEvangelist bn observing, collating and creativelyanalysing all comments - conclusion - seriouslycreative responses #UKedchat prfct

08:48:58 @danielharvey9@JohnsonAndrew10 @s_armitage #ukedchat As istalking and writing. #sounddecisionmakingandchoices

08:49:18 @Sue_Cowley

If you want to be creative, you have to stop caringwhat others think and take risks. Do schools mitigate

against creativity? #UKedchat

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Totally agree its about giving learners informedchoices and having the confidence to eg deliver theirideas in different ways #ukedchat


Creativity the base for whole learning Unless of

course u want Gove like cyborg students thatremember facts for 3 hour exams ... #UKedchat

08:49:42 @rlj1981

@ICTmagic course! Hugely important to role modelrisk taking and how to deal with failure. Do you giveup? No you fight back! #ukedchat

08:49:45 @RachelOrr

@JamesTheo @ukedchat #UKedchat Won't happenover night but if culture for learning is developed thatway, it can happen. #flippedclassroom

08:48:24 @tstarkey1212@RachelOrr @ukedchat 'As much as they want' fills

me with fear and dread. #ukedchat


@s_armitage @syded06 Example ofkeyboard/synthesiser rather than piano for year 7music lessons I think piano 'more' creative #ukedchat

08:48:29 @davidhunter@Gwenelope @ICTmagic similarly it is one of the firstgrand opportunities for collaboration #ukedchat

08:48:37 @RachelOrr

@joeybagstock @ukedchat #UKedchat Thinking offlipped classroom and project based learning. Notsuggesting every lesson.

08:48:47 @musicmind

@ICTEvangelist Open an empty box and say I've lostall my thinking can you help me? Watch, listen andsee the magic happen #ukedchat


How To Promote Creativity In The Classroomhttp://goo.gl/fb/bTEJa via @edudemic #ukedchat#edchat

08:48:58 @specialsciteach

@ukedchat sometimes the term creative is used tomean 'just do something to entertain them' whichmisses the point #ukedchat

08:49:18 @Stephen_Logan

Creativity is about giving students opportunities.Enrichment and exposure to different experiences.#UKedchat @ukedchat


... And then fail to be able to have an independentthought of their own or communicate with anyoneoutside of their cyborg troop #UKedchat

08:49:32 @RachelOrr@tstarkey1212 @ukedchat #UKedchat Makeslearning have no limits - extend, expand and explore.


@truan_steve Ahhh - but what is intoxicating is thatHOTS are impossible without strongly established

facts & knowledge #ukedchat

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08:49:45 @Sue_Cowley

If you want creative children, sometimes let themthrow away what they produce rather than saving it asa 'finished piece'. #UKedchat

08:50:15 @chrisleach78

@ICTEvangelist @urban_teacher and here is my

motorsport themed planninghttp://chrisleach78.co.uk/?p=1206 #UKedchat


@ICTmagic I think we as teachers are surely moreacutely aware of the imp of creativity. But we arefighting against consumerism #ukedchat


@SurrealAnarchy @s_armitage @syded06 i'ddisagree there but think piano part of the picture interms of skill acquisition #ukedchat


@Sue_Cowley Where it falls apart is the closed

outcomes demanded - the arts (liberal) are openended: expression should be free #ukedchat

08:50:58 @rlj1981@Sue_Cowley ooooohh not done that- explain?#ukedchat


@ukedchat I like 'creative and contextual' for mySEND science, kids often reluctant to be independentIt's a work in progress #ukedchat


@Primary_Ed #UKedchat I've found modellingcreative thinking allows pupils to start allowingthemselves to be more creative too

08:51:28 @JosephBaldwin @rlj1981 LOVE AR! #UKedchat

08:51:32 @englishlulu

@ukedchat #ukedchat creativity shouldn't be aboutmy strategies or activities but about how studentsrespond to content

08:51:34 @JamesTheo

@Stephen_Logan @ukedchat Yeh, but so is...'teaching'. That definition is not exclusive to creativity.#ukedchat

08:51:47 @rlj1981@JosephBaldwin me too. Awesome for creating,reflecting, evaluating... #geekchic #UKedchat

08:51:58 @ICTmagic@rlj1981 Just a bee in my sizable bonnet. I will ceasethat particular point now. #ukedchat


@ICTEvangelist @s_armitage @syded06 Piano ismore 'limited' the sound more 'human': far moreimportant for 'grammar' of playing #ukedchat


@ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat and thebasis for knowledge and idea progression is based oneither evolution or replacement

08:52:28 @crazyscience34 #ukedchat using props and dressing up even in

character to embed a concept has often worked for

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@csf0961 @ICTmagic @rlj1981 KS2 / 3 transitionplays a massive part in spoiling the creative learningskills sts develop @ primary #ukedchat

08:52:42 @danielharvey9@ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat and allgreat theories/ideas have emerged from conflict ofaccepted norms with challenges 2/3

08:52:45 @mrlockyer

#UKedchat It's just as important for teachers to becreative. Finding the best way to teach something canlead to complacency

08:52:56 @chrisleach78

#Ukedchat I once got told off by SMT for being toocreative (or rather more creative than the other y6teachers)

08:52:56 @RachelOrr @joeybagstock @ukedchat #UKedchat Absolutely.Has to be inbuilt into a school's culture and being.

08:53:02 @rlj1981@urban_teacher fear of failure, fear of SLT, fear ofOFSTED.. Agreed! We need to be braver! #ukedchat


@musicmind @JamesTheo @ukedchat I was trying tosay that some senior leaders misinterpret the term. Iwas unclear sorry #ukedchat

08:53:12 @TheMathsMagpie

@mrlockyer yes and if something works for 90% oflearners, the other 10% may need several otherapproaches to understanding #ukedchat


@SurrealAnarchy my son play piano. he alsocomposes on #GarageBand and adds to animationson #icananminate. Tech facilitates this. #ukedchat

08:54:33 @ICTmagic

@rlj1981 Seems like a hot topic. I'm sure there mustbe research... Research on transition, anyone?@ICTEvangelist @csf0961 #ukedchat


@ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat seeevolution, Einstienian physics, DNA etc for how factsand creativity provide leaps n understanding

08:54:52 @rlj1981@chrisleach78 oh I get this *all the time. 'Can't theyjust take notes' Uh no. #ukedchat

08:55:12 @dhulston#UKedchat using "might" more and nurturing atolerance for ambiguity

08:55:27 @englishlulu

@ukedchat #ukedchat our culture of "no answer iswrong" can lead to my best answer is often just myfirst answer

08:55:36 @rlj1981@ICTmagic @ICTEvangelist @csf0961 anyonelooking for a PhD topic?! #ukedchat

08:55:45 @crazyscience34 @chrisleach78 #UKedchat I can sympathise- some

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staff in charge kept telling us we had to teach "this" ina certain way- killing creativity


7 mins left of #ukedchat final comments to Q: Howcan we unlock creativity in students & teachers via

rote learning advocated by Lemov?08:56:04 @ICTmagic

@MissSMerrill I would be interested to hear yourviews #DrawsYouIn #UKedchat

08:56:23 @specialsciteach@musicmind @JamesTheo @ukedchat thanks *proudgrin* I did something right for a change!! #ukedchat

08:56:43 @SurrealAnarchy@s_armitage bit like times tables before calculator ;-)#UKedchat


@davidhunter @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat So toddlersaren't creative when they play and learn through the

play???

08:56:51 @jillberry102

@mrlockyer I think school leaders at all levels need tobe creative, too. Need to be creative to get the bestout of everyone. #UKedchat

08:57:11 @Stephen_LoganCreativity also involves risk taking. #ukedchat@ukedchat

08:57:15 @theICTadvisor@jillberry102 being creative will also foster a sense offreedom, which can only be good #ukedchat


@Stephen_Logan: Creativity also involves risk

taking. #ukedchat @ukedchat agree. Must createenvironment in which risk-taking is possible


Creativity isn't always perfect, great timing, looks goodon the eye, full control, complete focus....sometimesits the opposite #ukedchat

08:57:27 @muttleyknight Damn wish I had joined in tonight !!! #ukedchat

08:57:37 @musicmind

@ICTEvangelist And I would like to thank YOU Mark -rapturous applause from Wales ! and a special NinjaKung Fu Panda move #UKedchat


@ukedchat #ukedchat creativity just is. Very hard tomanufacture from a teacher's view and to supportstudents. Do what you think it best

08:57:47 @TheMathsMagpie

I guess there are plenty of things we learn by rote - eglearning to tie shoelaces - is there a creative waywhich is quicker? #ukedchat


The least 'creative' teacher can be creative once theyhave practiced, mastered & then practiced again aspecific skill #ukedchat #pedagogy

08:58:18 @rlj1981

Really enjoyed #ukedchat tonight- thanks @ukedchat

and especially @ICTEvangelist was a blast : )

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08:58:20 @TheMathsMagpie@ICTEvangelist Thank you for hosting Mark#ukedchat


P.S. I'm looking for a job #ukedchat ... Check out myblog http://specialsciteach.blogspot.co.uk now it's

over it's ok to tweet this :)


@ukedchat #ukedchat for learners and strive toincrease width of ideas and expertise base. Then itwill look after itself

08:58:42 @ICTEvangelist @specialsciteach it's 20:59! lol #ukedchat

08:58:45 @muttleyknightCreate an environment of experiment! Classroom asLaboratory of creativity ! #ukedchat

08:59:15 @Sheffield68

#WarofSpanishIntimidation #Gibraltar visit for RoyalNavy warship. says MoD http://bbc.in/15RX51o

#GhostsofEmpiresPast #ukedchat

08:59:22 @dhulston

#UKedchat facilit8 as many opportunities for children2 enquire & make sense of the world themselves &the skills and materials to express

08:59:34 @jillberry102 dave hulston @dhulston 5m

09:00:00 @ukedchat

It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @ICTEvangelist for hostingtonights #ukedchat. The archive will be athttp://ukedchat.com/2013/08/08/session-163/ soon.

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