Archive Session 90

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ukedchat Archive 22 Mar 2012Hosted by @ICTmagic

How can we ensure pupils becomeindependent, adaptive & innovativelearners?

20:00:08 ukedchatIt's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat about 'How can we ensurepupils become independent, adaptive & innovativelearners?' with @ICTmagic.

20:00:38 ePaceonline#ukedchat I know I go on about it but helping pupils to

learn about how they learn is vital.20:01 SheliBB

Don't forget to join in a little #DLchat after #ukedchattonight

20:01:25 emmaannhardyRT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat about'How can we ensure pupils become independent,adaptive & innovative learners?' with @ICTmagic.

20:01:29 JamiePortmanRT @creatorious: http://t.co/IOhX9bmL - how do youmeasure emotional deprivation, social dysfunction &impact on T&L? #MLDP #UKedchat

20:01:29 ICTmagic

I'd like to begin by discussing what barriers there are to

getting independent, adaptive & innovative learners &how to over come. #ukedchat

20:01:56 brynll@TaffTykeC More like sharing great ideas re creativecurriculum and learning. Check outhttp://t.co/RYZIUbcC #ukedchat

20:01:59 chrismayohRT @brynll: Looking forward to #ukedchat? MT checkout http://t.co/RYZIUbcC for report on@WholeEducation 'Whose Curriculum is it, Anyway?'

20:02 ukedchatIf you are chatting with us for #ukedchat, make sure you

unprotect your tweets & use the hashtag.

20:02:23 MrWaldramI have run a mini-business project over the last fewyears and that has been fantastic. http://t.co/7Q58XtLF#ukedchat

20:02:41 8rinaldiLet kids collaborate, plan, create and share globally#ukedchat

20:02:49 bucharesttutor@ICTmagic stereo type teaching, not giving anyfreedom to Ss and tried and tested classroom methodsare some of the roadblocks #ukedchat

20:02:49 joclap89

RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat about

'How can we ensure pupils become independent,adaptive & innovative learners?' with @ICTmagic.

20:03:10 Hub_SpokeHarlowRT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat about'How can we ensure pupils become independent,adaptive & innovative learners?' with @ICTmagic.

20:03:28 aknillRT @MathsMummy: #ukedchat by giving themopportunities to discover things rather than showing andtelling them.

20:03:29 chrismayoh

Very much looking forward to #DLchat with @SheliBB

and @ICTEvangelist at 9pm GMT, straight after#ukedchat - Join us!

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20:03:33 ePaceonline#ukedchat helping pupils to take off 'straight jackets' ofbeing spoon-fed and letting them think for themselves

20:03:36 catmill@ICTmagic I guess the biggest barrier is temptation toteach to the test which often comes from pupils and

parents IMHO #ukedchat20:03:40 cherylren

@ICTmagic Biggest barrier may be the kind of teachingthat doesn't challenge learners to *think* #ukedchat

20:03:45 MrWaldram1 of the big issues i have with tests is that childrenaren't ready for them. It takes independence to readand answer Qs. Ideas? #ukedchat

20:03:49 jamesmichiePlan 1 lesson per week 4 each of ur classes where uset them off on task/project. U let them learn, focus onformative assessment #ukedchat

20:03:55 mbrayford

Need to teach children how to adapt and apply skills to

different scenarios #ukedchat

20:03:55 Smithlah@ePaceonline: #ukedchat I know I go on about it buthelping pupils to learn about how they learn isvital.completely agree

20:03:55 peter8green2 biggest barriers are OFSTED and staff not willing tore educate themselves about the role of teacher#ukedchat

20:04:11 TomCorfieldRT @peter8green: 2 biggest barriers are OFSTED andstaff not willing to re educate themselves about the role

of teacher #ukedchat

20:04:18 bobharrisonsetRT @chrismayoh: Very much looking forward to#DLchat with @SheliBB and @ICTEvangelist at 9pmGMT, straight after #ukedchat - Join us!

20:04:22 MrMathsTeacher@ukedchat develop independence by designating thefirst 5 minutes of a new task as 'no question' time. Noasking for help! #ukedchat

20:04:25 MrWaldram@8rinaldi I've done that and we're in the process ofdoing it again. #ukedchat

20:04:27 ICTmagic

@Starshine_Music Is it possible (even if not desirable)

to amend league tables and encourage creativity at thesame time? #ukedchat

20:04:34 mrpeel#ukedchat allow them room to make mistakes andencourage them to explore their imagination - no spoonfeeding.

20:04:39 Starshine_Musicgetting rid of league tables would create space andfreedom for independence both in teaching and learning#ukedchat

20:04:40 bellaalelet them fail, pick themselves up and understand why,

then succeed. Rinse, then repeat. #ukedchat20:04:55 jamesmichie RT @bellaale: let them fail, pick themselves up and

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understand why, then succeed. Rinse, then repeat.#ukedchat

20:04:57 lankyflamingoRT @peter8green: 2 biggest barriers are OFSTED andstaff not willing to re educate themselves about the role

of teacher #ukedchat20:04:59 TheresaER

How do you claim your Vat back as an educationalestablishment? #ukedchat

20:05 mikeatedjiRT @Smithlah: @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I know I goon about it but helping pupils to learn about how theylearn is vital.completely agree

20:05:12 ICTmagic@catmill Should we adapt the test or adapt theteaching? #ukedchat

20:05:14 MrWaldram@Mr_t2 @porkpiebaby thoughts? @Mr_t2 get out ofred square - you need this soon... #ukedchat

20:05:33 SurrealAnarchy #ukedchat What is an 'innovative learner'?

20:05:34 ePaceonlineRT @bellaale: let them fail, pick themselves up andunderstand why, then succeed. Rinse, then repeat.#ukedchat > absolutely agree

20:05:48 jurylady5RT @HPTeachExchange: Women's history month ishere! Here's a list of excellent resources.http://t.co/Hwa9E78C #vitalcpd #ukedchat

20:05:49 MrWaldram @mbrayford yup #ukedchat

20:05:58 ICTmagic@Carlsberg40 Does that have a lower age limit? Are

any aged children able to make that choice? #ukedchat

20:06:01 richards_james#ukedchat I want to start a literacy breakfast clubwhereby pupils blog in the morning during havingbreakfast any ideas how to get funding

20:06:05 MrWaldram @mrmathsteacher interesting idea... #ukedchat

20:06:16 ICTmagicRT @bellaale: let them fail, pick themselves up andunderstand why, then succeed. Rinse, then repeat.#ukedchat

20:06:31 jamesdhobsonukTo encourage innovation you need to offer choice in theclassroom. Not encouraged 2do that- remember the"three part lesson" ? #Ukedchat

20:06:34 bucharesttutor@Carlsberg40 @ICTmagic yes exactly, Ss must beallowed to choose the way she learns and understandsthe topics, eg, less homework #ukedchat

20:06:37 MrWaldram @ictmagic both... more the test IMO #ukedchat

20:06:54 chrismayohAre you an outstanding teacher seeking employment forSeptember? Then take a look here:http://t.co/3xzcKmSb #ukedchat - Please RT.

20:06:54 SurrealAnarchy@ICTmagic @catmill #ukedchat historically most

education has not been 'tested'20:06:58 lankyflamingo @richards_james could you use pupil premium money?

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#ukedchat

20:06:58 MissLeghRT @bellaale: let them fail, pick themselves up andunderstand why, then succeed. Rinse, then repeat.#ukedchat

20:07:03 hlmrmo Be role models - show them that we are those types oflearner #ukedchat

20:07:09 Brendano@MrMathsTeacher @ukedchat #ukedchat Like your5min 'no question' time ....

20:07:14 ICTmagic@bellaale Failing is seen as... well... a failure. How canwe change this and who needs to kick start it?#ukedchat

20:07:18 mrpeel#ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk innovation still stifled byshortsighted SLT approach to ICT

20:07:22 bellaale

I think I'll stop there; clearly won't say anything as well-

received as that again all evening! ;) #ukedchat

20:07:27 Kezmerrelda#ukedchat barriers not letting children having anycontrol over what they want to learn. Not a real barrierof course as you can do this!

20:07:32 MrWaldramIve used help tokens before when exploring somethingdifficult: shakespeare, they have to think/talk and usetokens wisely. #ukedchat

20:07:35 cherylrenRT @SurrealAnarchy: #ukedchat What is an 'innovativelearner'?

20:07:44 jamesmichieHeres my recently submitted M.Ed assignment onIndependent Learning - focus on Y12 Media,developing IL: https://t.co/Nt9JJu11 #ukedchat

20:07:54 norfolkTeachersRT @chrismayoh: Very much looking forward to#DLchat with @SheliBB and @ICTEvangelist at 9pmGMT, straight after #ukedchat - Join us!

20:08:03 richards_james#ukedchat blogging breakfast club would involve gettingfunding to get tech etc and foodstuff etc anysuggestions who to apply to welcomed

20:08:04 soos24RT @ICTmagic: @bellaale Failing is seen as... well... afailure. How can we change this and who needs to kickstart it? #ukedchat

20:08:04 soos24RT @ICTmagic: @bellaale Failing is seen as... well... afailure. How can we change this and who needs to kickstart it? #ukedchat

20:08:09 aknill#ukedchat give them freedom to explore and teacherswho are adaptive and innovative too. Share betweenstaff and pupils.

20:08:09 aknill

#ukedchat give them freedom to explore and teachers

who are adaptive and innovative too. Share betweenstaff and pupils.

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20:08:18 mrpeel@jamesmichie #ukedchat spoonfeeding is alsorecrreated by over use of group learning - need tofunction as individuals.

20:08:23 jamesdhobsonuk@mrpeel

shortsighted how? #ukedchat

20:08:28 chrisratRT @chrismayoh: Are you an outstanding teacherseeking employment for September? Then take a lookhere: http://t.co/3xzcKmSb #ukedchat - Please RT.

20:08:39 ICTmagic@SurrealAnarchy How does one assess the ability ofthe students for suitability to a job or next level ofstudy? #ukedchat

20:08:58 genkijen @bellaale ha ha no give us more !!!! #ukedchat

20:09:01 ePaceonline@Catherine_S88 #ukedchat, I really think it's a problemand yes, it makes pupils over reliant on teachers

instead of thinking for themselves

20:09:08 jamesdhobsonukRT @mrpeel: @jamesmichie #ukedchat spoonfeedingis also recrreated by over use of group learning - needto function as individuals.

20:09:13 mrpeel@jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat reluctant to allow wifi touse ipad etc - too many restrictions - cant read twitter inschool...

20:09:16 EducationchatProject work, collaborating on a subject that intereststhem. Presented as they choose. These skills need

explicit teaching first. #ukedchat

20:09:22 TommyTeachPE@ukedchat by providing learning experiences full ofdiscovery, allowing mistakes to happen, and being pupilinitiated! #ukedchat

20:09:25 jamesdradburnRT @bellaale: let them fail, pick themselves up andunderstand why, then succeed. Rinse, then repeat.#ukedchat

20:09:29 jamesmichieMotivation, meta-cognition, AfL, learn to learn,collaboration, letting them fail. Its not abt 1 of these, itsabout all of them. #ukedchat

20:09:30 MrWaldraman idea that i've stolenn from @natkojak is that ratherthan dishing out jobs at the start of the year, ch shouldapply for em #ukedchat

20:09:31 SheliBBRT @chrismayoh: Are you an outstanding teacherseeking employment for September? Then take a lookhere: http://t.co/3xzcKmSb #ukedchat - Please RT.

20:09:43 soos24@bellaale #ukedchat Allow yourself to try things in frontof class that you haven't done before, and if you fail tryagain, challenge them

20:10 MrWaldram @soos24 it's not a failure if you've learnt something...#ukedchat

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20:10:06 peter8greenagree @janbaker97 needs a culture change frompunitive Ofsted criteria & regime to letting up teachagain without fear #ukedchat

20:10:09 catmill

Change test or teaching? Chicken and egg? Often

heard "is this going to be in the test?" or "can't you justtell us the answer" :( #ukedchat

20:10:09 CarpenterMat@peter8green agreed, OFSTED have defined too muchof our practice over the last decade - with out any goodbasis, more of a whim! #ukedchat

20:10:18 mr_chadwickNot sure I know what an 'adaptive' or 'innovative'learner is? #ukedchat

20:10:22 SurrealAnarchy @ICTmagic how does or how did ? #ukedchat

20:10:27 MathsMummy#ukedchat in Mathematics, do we provide opportunitiesto be confident with number rather than just competent

when they follow a procedure?

20:10:36 ICTmagic@janbaker97 Are they other ways to monitor andmaintain standards other than a outside body observingteaching and learning? #ukedchat

20:10:53 jamesmichie@mrpeel Agreed What I was getting at was that 2 manyteacher r sage on stage every lesson. Sometimes weneed 2 b guide on side #ukedchat

20:11:04 genkijen@mrpeel @jamesmichie we also need to let childrenwork in different groups . not just ability / friendship

-overcome barriers #ukedchat20:11:05 bellaale

@ICTmagic I try to model graceful, on-the-way-tosuccess failure as often as possible... ;) #ukedchat

20:11:05 MathsMummy#ukedchat Children need to make more decisions andbe encouraged to ask more questions.

20:11:11 mrpeel#ukedchat i like to get students to teach sections inclass - not present but teach... confident handlingquestion and answer

20:11:12 leahyben@natkojak rather than dishing out jobs at the startof/throughout the year, chn should apply for them

#ukedchat #PGDEplacement

20:11:16 StephenLev#ukedchat Too much control-the idea that there can be'bad' teaching rather than ineffective in current context.

20:11:19 MrWaldramRT @soos24: @bellaale #ukedchat Allow yourself to trythings in front of class that you haven't done before,and if you fail try again,...

20:11:38 TommyTeachPE@ukedchat we can not be afraid to let the pupils makemistakes to quote 'the only REAL mistake is the one welearn nothing from' #ukedchat

20:11:40 ICTmagic @SurrealAnarchy How 'did' and 'could' once againwithout testing? #ukedchat

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20:11:50 ePaceonline @MathsMummy #ukedchat completely agree

20:11:50 materialteacher#ukedchat I've recently done some TEEP training andthe whole premise of that is to get students workingeffectively as independent students

20:11:50 jamesmichie @genkijen @mrpeel agreed, embrace a wide range ofscenarios for learning. #ukedchat

20:11:58 SheliBBI try to personalise learning by asking chdn what theywant to learn, at the start of the year #ukedchat easy toincorporate their choices

20:12:06 soos24@MrWaldram #ukedchat absolutely, have just spent 3hours at y8 parents eve telling them just that! don't beafraid to try things

20:12:14 jamesmichieRT @mrpeel: #ukedchat i like to get students to teachsections in class - not present but teach... confident

handling question and answer

20:12:21 mrpeel#ukedchat risk takers is at centre of IB profile - no risk-no achievement- no learning

20:12:28 Brendano@ukedchat @ictmagic In science, we encouragecreativity+collab+deep thought by giving Ss camerasthen http://t.co/ErgMzupZ #ukedchat

20:12:32 genkijen@mrpeel child as teacher can be really effective evenat primary #ukedchat

20:12:33 guildofteachingA great topic for #ukedchat tonight: developing

independent learners20:12:38 MrWaldram

@mathsmummy I don't think so. Not enoughapplication, not just in maths but in real life! #ukedchat

20:12:42 Catherine_S88Personalisation is key! We should be creating learningecperiences that will prepare children for real-lifeoutside of education #ukedchat

20:12:44 futurebehaviourIf we want intrinsically motivated students, we shouldstop our obsession with reward charts, stamps andstickers. #ukedchat

20:12:48 PeterSpencer88@materialteacher I've not heard of that. How does itwork? #ukedchat

20:13:01 mrpeel@genkijen #ukedchat important they teach and not justpresent, but totally agree

20:13:13 ICTEvangelist#ukedchat how do we help students to be moreindependent? Give them the opportunity to fail and failagain

20:13:16 materialteacher#ukedchat part of a TEEP lesson is agreeing learningoutcomes- I use a wish list for them to set their ownquite often.

20:13:24 StephenLev A lot of people talking about fear of failure. Where isthat from? #ukedchat

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20:13:25 ICTmagicWhy do we want our learners to be independent,adaptive & innovative? Do we? #ukedchat

20:13:30 cherylren@SurrealAnarchy Are you sceptical about the term"innovative learner?" #ukedchat

20:13:32 SheliBB RT @chrismayoh: Very much looking forward to#DLchat with @SheliBB and @ICTEvangelist at 9pmGMT, straight after #ukedchat - Join us!

20:13:53 johnmayoRT @cherylren: "Pose, pause, pounce, bounce" getsthem thinking for themselves http://t.co/UrnCK1kM#ukedchat

20:14:08 MrWaldram#ukedchat If you've not seen this, bookmark it for laterand comment plshttp://t.co/aVhQop51

20:14:10 genkijen

peers teaching each other methods, cascading down

the class has been really effective you have to know itto teach it #ukedchat

20:14:15 MissionExplore#ukedchat risk and creativity come together. Goodlearning and good creativity can't take place without risktaking..

20:14:16 Catherine_S88@SheliBB We do this in our school also, the childrenare engaged and onboard with their own learning fromthe beginning #ukedchat

20:14:17 BenRogersOVA

Agreed: QT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat how do we

help students to be more independent? Give them theopportunity to fail and fail again

20:14:29 EducationchatBolton project: The MILE Awards (Making IndependentLearning Exciting) - fantastic at just this! #ukedchat

20:14:31 materialteacher@PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat- there are whole host ofpremises- essentially it's training them HOW to belearners whilst teaching content

20:14:31 jamesmichieIL is clearly a popular topic amongst the #ukedchatcrowd, perhaps we need to do more about it thandiscuss it on Thursday evenings?

20:14:55 chrismayoh38 people currently looking at teaching vacancies atBowling Park. You too...? http://t.co/3xzcKmSb#ukedchat #edchat

20:15:03 raisechildrens#ukedchat allowing them to not only make mistakes butto question whether it really was a mistake...

20:15:12 jackieschneider#ukedchat - I think we r micro managed as teachers &denied opportunity to teach independently so we dosame to kids!

20:15:12 jamesdhobsonuk

@futurebehaviour

I RTed yr tweet but part of me wonders how farintrinsic motivation really exists #ukedchat

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20:15:12 BenRogersOVA@StephenLev Small children don't have that fear. Iwonder if it is developmental or learnt. I think a mixtureof both #ukedchat

20:15:15 cherylren

@Brendano: In science, we encourage

creativity+collab+deep thought by giving Ss camerasthen http://t.co/s8nJ3FUT #ukedchat #scimath

20:15:16 materialteacher@genkijen #ukedchat- this is great- I have learnt moreabout my own subject by teaching it so why not apply itto students?

20:15:23 jamesmichie@ICTmagic Because they will not have us there forever& in terms of FE and HE they will be expected to be ILs.#ukedchat

20:15:24 mrpeel @jamesmichie #ukedchat suggestions?

20:15:29 mikeatedji

#ukedchat we ask it of the pupils but are we

independent, adaptive and innovative? Do we modelthese ?

20:15:34 soos24@ICTmagic #ukedchat rewards for students who tellme they have solved their own 'how do I do that'

20:15:36 Miss_M_LallyRT @ICTmagic: http://t.co/o5aeg9na Practisecoordinates by moving shapes to using rotation,translation & reflection. #edtect #ukedchat

20:15:44 BenRogersOVART @Educationchat: Bolton project: The MILE Awards(Making Independent Learning Exciting) - fantastic at

just this! #ukedchat

20:15:47 TaffTykeCPut children at the centre of their own learning and stepback. Facilitate so they have a vested interest in theirown interests #ukedchat

20:15:52 peter8greenRT @raisechildrens: #ukedchat allowing them to notonly make mistakes but to question whether it reallywas a mistake...

20:15:52 jamesdhobsonukRT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - I think we r micromanaged as teachers & denied opportunity to teachindependently so we do same to kids!

20:15:55 MathsMummy@MrWaldram Absolutely. Too many children arelearning to follow procedures rather than apply thinkingand make decisions. #ukedchat

20:16:10 jackieschneider@futurebehaviour - here bloody here! Virtue is its ownreward not a pile of stickers! #ukedchat

20:16:11 nohandsupFor Independent Learning tips read Schunk andZimmerman - Self Regulated Learning #ukedchat

20:16:16 genkijenRT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat we ask it of the pupils butare we independent, adaptive and innovative? Do we

model these ?20:16:21 MattOswin @raisechildrens @peter8green It's not a mistake if they

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learn from it #ukedchat

20:16:21 mrpeel#ukedchat I write to my blog and prepare stimulusmaterial - hope stdnts see my attempts atindependence and follow suit...

20:16:23 ePaceonline @materialteacher #ukedchat indeed, when pupilsunderstand how they learn and process informationthey can take more control of own learning

20:16:29 MrWaldramRT @raisechildrens: #ukedchat allowing them to notonly make mistakes but to question whether it reallywas a mistake...

20:16:47 IrashaiServicesRT @Smithlah: @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I know I goon about it but helping pupils to learn about how theylearn is vital.completely agree

20:16:50 IamMrBooth

RT @nohandsup: For Independent Learning tips read

Schunk and Zimmerman - Self Regulated Learning#ukedchat

20:16:53 MissionExplore@BenRogersOVA @ictevangelist yes, but this alsoneeds to take place outside of the box that is theclassroom. #ukedchat

20:16:59 materialteacher#ukedchat- TEEP also promotes collaborative working-before embarking on a group task- students identify thefeatures of an effective group

20:16:59 relativism #ukedchat risk taking seems to scare some people

20:17:01 genkijen @mikeatedji I am not enough - so how can my kidsbe ? #ukedchat

20:17:39 ePaceonline#ukedchat great question is 'Who has made the bestmistake today?'

20:17:50 tmeeky"How to ensure pupils becm independent, adaptive &innovative ?' > make schl more fun and relevant.... %,targets, stats KILL this #ukedchat

20:17:58 ICTmagicFailure is a special thing for humans. In the animalworld it can mean a premature ending. In humans cantake us to the next level #ukedchat

20:17:59 bellaaleRT @genkijen #ukedchat we ask it of pupils but are weindependent, adaptive & innovative? Do we modelthese ? > not all of us, sadly... :(

20:18:01 Educationchat @relativism Yeah - too risky. #ukedchat

20:18:01 raisechildrens@janbaker97 #ukedchatI always say have a guess it doesn't matter if you get itwrong. They usually have a go then.

20:18:05 super_sixfive#ukedchat we have to teach our students to takemanaged and controlled risks in the classroom. The

fear of failure is prevalent in classes20:18:06 StephenLev @jackieschneider @ICTmagic #ukedchat I think that's

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true extrinsically and intrinsically.

20:18:17 MrWaldramRT @epaceonline: #ukedchat great question is 'Whohas made the best mistake today?'

20:18:20 materialteacher

@jackieschneider #ukedchat- that's true- and quite

depressing :-( There should be a chance for them to settheir own coursework tasks!

20:18:22 Primary_EdWhat we should be preparing children forhttp://t.co/i1x1a1BV #ukedchat #edchat

20:18:24 ePaceonlineRT @super_sixfive: #ukedchat we have to teach ourstudents to take managed and controlled risks in theclassroom. The fear of failure is prevalent in classes

20:18:25 ThorschildDfE publish new guidance on school broadbandprovision #ukedchat #edtech http://t.co/8NhOSInK

20:18:29 nohandsup

Independence - who decides WHAT is learned who

decides HOW and who decides WHEN - usually theteacher, can we change this? #ukedchat

20:18:31 genkijen@MathsMummy @MrWaldram I like to give a workedexample and get them to unpick it first . What did i do toget the answer ? #ukedchat

20:18:33 materialteacherRT @MrWaldram: RT @epaceonline: #ukedchat greatquestion is 'Who has made the best mistake today?'

20:18:37 StephenLev@super_sixfive #ukedchat Agreed, teachers andsystem is full of fear.

20:18:43 MrWaldram @epaceonline Hooray. I say that, 'good mistake'#ukedchat

20:18:43 jamesmichie@mikeatedji I'm not sure many teachers are/do.

Autonomy is trained out of many teachers. Othershamstrung by school/curriculum. #ukedchat

20:18:47 ICTmagicCreativity et al is vital for their future. What about thehere and now? #ukedchat

20:18:58 TaffTykeCRT @chrismayoh: 38 people currently looking atteaching vacancies at Bowling Park. You too...?http://t.co/3xzcKmSb #ukedchat #edchat

20:18:59 mikeatedji#ukedchat Mitch Resnick of Scratch say kindergartenkids imagine/create/play/share/reflect/imagine/createetc but this falls off as they age

20:19:04 ICTEvangelist#ukedchat gives students a framework for successfullearning so students know what it looks and feels like#promotingindependentlearning

20:19:07 ICTmagic @jackieschneider That's my next question. :) #ukedchat

20:19:17 ePaceonline@MrWaldram #ukedchat...you'll be a great teacherthen!

20:19:21 Catherine_S88 Teachers should be facilitators of learning, encouragingbut also taking a step-back to create independent

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learners #ukedchat

20:19:22 SurrealAnarchy@ePaceonline #ukedchat The first 3 arts of the liberalarts curriculum build the skills of independent learning

20:19:35 ICTmagicIs creativity, ingenuity and/or independence valued in

UK schools? #ukedchat20:19:40 jamesmichie

@jackieschneider @ICTmagic That is so true.#ukedchat

20:19:40 genkijenRT @StephenLev: @super_sixfive #ukedchat Agreed,teachers and system is full of fear.

20:19:41 BenRogersOVA@jamesmichie Agreed. Twitter is fantastic at raisingideas, but need a forum to get properly involved. Anysuggestions. #ukedchat

20:19:41 Hub_SpokeHarlowRT @ICTmagic: Creativity et al is vital for their future.What about the here and now? #ukedchat

20:19:44 ICTmagicRT @mrpeel: #ukedchat i like to get students to teachsections in class - not present but teach... confidenthandling question and answer

20:19:46 Educationchat@jackieschneider @futurebehaviour No! Kids lovestickers. Virtue is own reward only for those whounderstand value of learning. #ukedchat

20:19:59 jamesmichie

RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat Mitch Resnick of Scratchsay kindergarten kidsimagine/create/play/share/reflect/imagine/create etc but

this falls off as they age

20:20:03 materialteacher@Catherine_S88 #ukedchat- Agreed- it's giving themthe right effective learner tools before we do step backalso!

20:20:05 mikeatedji@jamesmichie YEs, that's a terrible shame I think but Iwonder how this impacts on the independent learningagenda we espouse #ukedchat

20:20:07 SheliBB@mbrayford so easy to incorporate children's intereststhroughout the year #ukedchat maybe not so easy insecondary schools

20:20:10 jpgreenwood'How to harness the learning power of a good display'from @guardian: http://t.co/rXT5MRhT #ukedchat#edchat

20:20:11 StephenLev#ukedchat It's interesting on here that the IDEA ofsuccess, achievement and learning areinterchangeable. Is this clear message for pupils?

20:20:15 oldandrewuk#ukedchat The best way to encourage independentlearners is to avoid ever doing groupwork.

20:20:20 PeterSpencer88

@jackieschneider @ICTmagic that's true. You can't get

a level 5 in creativity, so government doesn't care#ukedchat

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20:20:21 hlmrmo@ICTmagic Creative approaches will always be of use#ukedchat

20:20:27 raisechildrens#ukedchat it's also good to let them experiment in asafe space. One of my "Kre8" girls dons a pair of

goggles to do her art pieces!

20:20:27 mrpeel@jamesmichie #ukedchat current AQA B allows it inEnglish as does IBDP which also includes dissertationtask...

20:20:29 bucharesttutor@barbsaka is really making me stop chatting on#ukedchat and wants me to follow #iatefl AWESOME

20:20:32 materialteacher@Educationchat #ukedchat- my adults LOVE gettingstickers too!!

20:20:38 SurrealAnarchy@cherylren I would like to know what an innovativelearner is #ukedchat

20:20:45 jamesmichie@mikeatedji Discussed this in my M.Ed assignment.We train students out of creativity. Ken Robinsonasserts this too. #ukedchat

20:20:46 jagodog33RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - I think we r micromanaged as teachers & denied opportunity to teachindependently so we do same to kids!

20:20:49 genkijen@StephenLev @super_sixfive Pupils can smell fearand it creates unease in the classroom I know - I amguilty of being fearful #ukedchat

20:20:53 jackieschneider lectured by ministers , threatened by ofsted & bored todeath by strategies is it a surprise much teaching isboring? #ukedchat

20:20:55 MrWaldram @epaceonline thanks :-) #ukedchat

20:21:02 ePaceonline#ukedchat Ingenious teachers keep creativity going inspite of the Nat Curr

20:21:10 Primary_EdStategies/ Approaches for children to become betterlearners in Literacy http://t.co/G9vN3BW2 #ukedchat#edchat

20:21:11 AndrewManson1A little less evaluation - a lot more aspiration - andpermission to fail in small ways? #ukedchat

20:21:14 chrismayohWhy not check out the stunning and ever-growingDigital Leader network blog in preparation for #DLchatat 9pm GMT? #ukedchat - Please RT.

20:21:14 tmeekyIMO pri schooling has become to dull, dry, serious +ofsted driven. Need to relax, make more informal +build curric around childn #ukedchat

20:21:15 StephenLev @genkijen @super_sixfive #ukedchat Hey-we all are!

20:21:16 Catherine_S88

@mattbuxton10 What about skills? Surely giving

children skills they can apply in various situations is justas valuable? #ukedchat

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20:21:38 jamesmichie@oldandrewuk Disagree. IL is not solo, IL is co-independent - group work, support networks, peer-assessment etc all part of IL. #ukedchat

20:21:39 mikeatedji

@peter8green I'm afraid I think secondary schools, as

presently organised with high stakes testing do just that#ukedchat What do u think?

20:21:40 materialteacher@oldandrewuk #ukedchat- an effective learner is onewho can work alone but also one who can work as partof a group towards an agreed goal

20:21:47 super_sixfive@oldandrewuk: #ukedchat The best way to encourageindependent learners is to avoid ever doing groupwork.is that realistic?

20:22:01 MathsMummy@Catherine_S88 To support this, we need to knowwhat questions to ask and when to ask them to develop

children's thinking. #ukedchat

20:22:01 SheliBB@ePaceonline I made another great mistaketoday...accidentally started 2 online timed tests at thesame time ... Oops #ukedchat

20:22:09 mikeatedji@jamesmichie Looking forward to reading later#ukedchat

20:22:22 raisechildrens@ICTmagic it is in any school worth going to!#ukedchat

20:22:22 jackieschneider

@Educationchat @futurebehaviour - I love alcohol but it

would be a disaster if I depended on it for motivation!#ukedchat #stickerfreezone

20:22:24 ICTmagic@hlmrmo Why? Isn't there a place forstudents/employees to just do what they are told?#devilsadvocate #ukedchat

20:22:32 MrWaldram@Starshine_Music @natkojak haha. Then I force it onsomeone #ukedchat

20:22:36 RavenEllisonIt's not independent learning. It can't be. It'sinterdependent learning and this is a dirty, political andpower-based business. #ukedchat

20:22:42 Starshine_MusicYoung minds are by nature innovative and creative, butthat gets drummed out of them by pressure to becomeconformed to standard #ukedchat

20:22:43 jamesmichie@mrpeel as does A-Level Media curriculum but frm myresearch the examples are few. #ukedchat

20:22:43 SurrealAnarchy@oldandrewuk here we go again #ukedchat avoidgroup work in football? Drama? School Orchestra?

20:22:43 MathsMummy@Catherine_S88 This is also very powerful forassessment at the point of learning. #ukedchat

20:22:43 materialteacher @mrpeel #ukedchat- that's so cool- I'm sure it does butwhat a brilliant idea! If they get used to doing it

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throughout school then...

20:22:57 TaffTykeCChildren take responsibility for their own learning anddevelop ideas through talk #talkforlearning #ukedchat

20:23:03 captainrobs

@oldandrewuk Agreed. In any group will be one very

hard working kid, 1 kid who has done a bit, & the restwill have slacked off. #ukedchat

20:23:04 MrWaldram@catherine_s88 depends if you're of the opinion of theesteemed Gove or not! #ukedchat #notesteemed

20:23:07 mrpeel@jamesmichie #ukedchat agree and our children arenot keen either

20:23:14 StephenLev@ICTmagic @hlmrmo Depends upon what they arebeing told, surely... #ukedchat

20:23:17 SheliBB@ePaceonline I can model 'learning from my failures'frequently - but show perseverance at the same time!

#ukedchat

20:23:20 hlmrmo@ICTmagic At times, yes. Same for creativity.#ukedchat

20:23:20 ikeontoast#ukedchat not being afraid of kids knowing more thanus and doing things we don't have the answers to! Thatinspires innovation

20:23:27 jamesmichie@mikeatedji Negatively. To adopt IL on larger scale,school needs to alter ethos at all levels & providetraining. #ukedchat

20:23:28 peter8green@mikeatedji agree. Students arrive from primaryschools with curiosity and thirst for knowledge#ukedchat

20:23:30 johndcotter@Primary_Ed: What we should be preparing childrenfor http://t.co/hlvXU7R6 #ukedchat #edchat Check outhttp://t.co/Ej0reV1I Ed.

20:23:30 DrHuxTM@mikeatedji Spot on. Not sure current UK edu climateis conducive to teachers being independent, adaptiveand certainly innovative #ukedchat

20:23:45 Educationchat@jackieschneider @futurebehaviour Not the same. Ifchildren have worked hard they should be rewarded.We don't teach for nothing. #ukedchat

20:23:52 MrWaldram@tmeeky absolutely. Leave us alone and we can makeit creative, fun and pack it with learning. #ukedchat#goawayofsted

20:23:53 nohandsup4 stages of Independence: Observation, Emulation,Self-Control, Self-Regulation #ukedchat

20:23:54 Starshine_MusicQT @jackieschneider: actually our education system isstacked against independent creative learners! We

reward the worker bees" #ukedchat20:23:54 ICTmagic Don't the students who do exactly what they are told

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more successful in school? Can you beindependent/creative at the same time? #ukedchat

20:24:02 Sarahloooo@SurrealAnarchy Confident and creative? Able tomake links independently in their learning? #ukedchat

20:24:02 Sarahloooo @SurrealAnarchy Confident and creative? Able tomake links independently in their learning? #ukedchat

20:24:02 jamesmichieRT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat not being afraid of kidsknowing more than us and doing things we don't havethe answers to! That inspires innovation

20:24:08 PeterSpencer88@super_sixfive @oldandrewuk group work is anotherimportant life skill, just as independent work is. Bothvery important #ukedchat

20:24:08 PeterSpencer88@super_sixfive @oldandrewuk group work is anotherimportant life skill, just as independent work is. Both

very important #ukedchat

20:24:13 Catherine_S88@MathsMummy I agree, we must also be able to modelthat independent thought process to children.#ukedchat

20:24:17 MimadisonkleinRT @web20education: #edtech20 #pln watch now live#iateflonline http://t.co/5SyYCrw1 #edchat #elearning#ukedchat #cpchat #elemchat #lrnchat #tlchat #cpchat

20:24:20 jackieschneider#ukedchat - I'm not sure how much genuine learningactually takes place in our schools

20:24:25 Thorschild A world news newspaper for KS3 and KS4. And it isfree for two months. #ukedchat http://t.co/7ejQUtl2

20:24:29 ingswaddleWd it help if there was less focus on how to teach the'perfect lesson' - more on lessons plural? #ukedchat

20:24:31 materialteacher@ikeontoast #ukedchat- agreed on this- it takes sometime for you and the students to get used to such anenvironment- Worth the effort!

20:24:33 jamesmichie@ikeontoast Yes, and rewarding / crediting thesethings. Badges? #ukedchat

20:24:34 Educationchat@relativism @materialteacher @futurebehaviour@jackieschneider Agree with this. #ukedchat

20:24:40 ICTmagic @raisechildrens I agree completely. :) #ukedchat

20:24:41 StephenLev#ukedchat Sometimes modelling innovation as ateacher is crucial. I learned to skip once. My coaches?Less able, less confident girls.

20:24:46 ePaceonline @jackieschneider #ukedchat.hee hhe - I agree

20:24:53 Scott_McPMastery vs Ego motivated climates within PE? Wecreate mastery climates in every other subject but oftennot in PE. Why not? #ukedchat

20:24:57 captainrobs #ukedchat If you want independent learners, you givethem books over the internet. Google isn't research.

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20:25:05 juneisik@jamesmichie @oldandrewuk IL is knowing what typeof learning will suit you or the situation best. How do weget that? #ukedchat

20:25:05 Primary_Ed

For children to be indpendent, adaptive and creative

thinkers teachers need to show engagement.http://t.co/SIgzeowN #ukedchat #edchat

20:25:14 TommyTeachPE@janbaker97 as a PE teacher my pupils would makeno progress if I was to adopt the 'this is how you do it'approach! #ukedchat

20:25:24 StephenLev@raisechildrens @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Hmm,conditional talents?

20:25:37 SarahlooooRT @peter8green: @mikeatedji agree. Students arrivefrom primary schools with curiosity and thirst forknowledge #ukedchat

20:25:47 janeconsidine @mrpeel love pupils teaching lessons #ukedchat

20:25:49 genkijen@ICTmagic sometimes the children who go off on atangent do so because they are trying to learnsomething they want/need #ukedchat

20:26:01 hlmrmo@ICTmagic An open-ended question will allow anindependent/creative aproach #ukedchat

20:26:04 captainrobsI'm not an internet luddite by the way, I just get sadwhen I see work that has been copy and pasted with noreal thought. #ukedchat

20:26:05 ikeontoast Sir Ken Robinson about creativity #ukedchathttp://t.co/jwKBeuo9

20:26:12 peter8green@jamesmichie @mikeatedji strong leadership,enthusiasm &vision are also important.Must avoidconflicting messages to staff and ss #ukedchat

20:26:16 jamesmichie@captainrobs Yes, it is. And Wikipedia is too. It comesdown to bothering 2 teach students research skills,criticality. #ukedchat

20:26:17 mattbuxton10@Catherine_S88 Aren't skills what you use to processand extend knowledge? WW1 causes need knowledge

b4 using concept of causation #ukedchat

20:26:18 mikeatedjiRT @StephenLev: #ukedchat Sometimes modellinginnovation as a teacher is crucial. I learned to skiponce. My coaches? Less able, less confident girls.

20:26:21 SurrealAnarchy@captainrobs If & when you use group work you needto make sure you know what you're doing: if you can'thandle it don't do it #ukedchat

20:26:28 guildofteaching@oldandrewuk I disagree. Being an independentlearner is not about working on your own; it's knowing

how to learn. #ukedchat20:26:30 MrWaldram Maybe if we stopped trying to achieve the impossible in

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a week, we could focus on what is important. #ukedchat#primaryview

20:26:35 oldandrewuk@jamesmichie #ukedchat So only "independent" ofanyone who knows anything about what's being learnt?

20:26:45 jankauf RT @chrismayoh: Are you an outstanding teacherseeking employment for September? Then take a lookhere: http://t.co/3xzcKmSb #ukedchat - Please RT.

20:26:46 Starshine_Music...and can you be successful and creative at the sametime? @ICTmagic #ukedchat

20:26:49 PorkpiebabyRT @MrWaldram: Maybe if we stopped trying toachieve the impossible in a week, we could focus onwhat is important. #ukedchat #primaryview

20:26:55 StephenLev#ukedchat Something that's hard is convincing childrenthat what they want to learn is as important as what you

have to teach.

20:26:57 super_sixfive#ukedchat The ability to work creatively and withinnovation, takes loads of practice and that practicetakes place in classrooms.

20:26:57 danhaesler Why, why, why... Don't we ask the right questions inEducation Reform? Latest Blog: http://t.co/BeyjMw20#edchat #ukedchat #duedchat

20:26:58 chezallen#ukedchat I became smart ONCE I BECAME a teacher,before that I just knew stuff. Like to give pupils the

chance to be 'teachers' too :o)

20:26:59 materialteacher@guildofteaching #ukedchat- agreed and we need toteach it- we can't just expect it- they need to be trainedin that as much as content!

20:27:11 genkijen@StephenLev i love that ! I am going to get some of myless able to teach me something next week #ukedchat

20:27:11 jamesmichie@juneisik @oldandrewuk by providing varied learningexperiences at all key stages to allow students to findwhat works 4 them. #ukedchat

20:27:15 StephenLev

@MrWaldram: Maybe if we stopped trying to achieve

the impossible in a week, we could focus on what isimportant. #ukedchat #primaryviewyes

20:27:23 EducationchatRT @MrWaldram: Maybe if we stopped trying toachieve the impossible in a week, we could focus onwhat is important. #ukedchat #primaryview

20:27:26 relativismRT @ikeontoast: #ukedchat not being afraid of kidsknowing more than us and doing things we don't havethe answers to! That inspires innovation

20:27:37 raisechildrens

@ikeontoast so true. It should be the courage to learn

from the children that gives us the strength to keepteaching #ukedchat

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20:27:45 futurebehaviour@Educationchat @jackieschneider If children workhard they should be recognised. We don't teach just forreward. #ukedchat

20:27:50 nohandsup

@ICTmagic The 'conformists' will always perform better

in a system that requires them to 'conform' to certainnorms #ukedchat

20:27:51 ICTmagic@genkijen What do you do when they wander off?Guide them back on or encourage them to follow theirinterests? #ukedchat

20:27:58 Arsinhy@jamesmichie @oldandrewuk I would help you look upindependent in the dictionary James but don't want tospoil your IL experience. #ukedchat

20:28:02 cherylren@SurrealAnarchy Me too. I'm not sure I like theimplication that anything not innovative is bad

#ukedchat

20:28:04 data_fiend@jamesmichie #ukedchat Thanks for that, 6th formseem much more reluctant to be independent. Possiblythe result of spoon feeding for GCSE

20:28:07 SurrealAnarchy@janeconsidine: @mrpeel love pupils teachinglessons #ukedchat SMT watching, student scabs forstrike days?

20:28:08 ICTmagicRT @Starshine_Music: ...and can you be successfuland creative at the same time? @ICTmagic #ukedchat

20:28:13 janeconsidine 'A dare to share' trusting classroom #ukedchat20:28:19 oldandrewuk

@materialteacher #ukedchat Not somebody who learnseffectively?

20:28:23 BenRogersOVART @janeconsidine: @mrpeel love pupils teachinglessons #ukedchat

20:28:34 MrPoynter RT @HPTeachExchange: Women's history month ishere! Here's a list of excellent resources.http://t.co/Hwa9E78C #vitalcpd #ukedchat

20:28:36 MrG_ICTRemember 10% of info you hear; 90% of info youteach. get them teaching.#ukedchat

20:28:37 jamesmichie@oldandrewuk Depends how u define urself. I am alearner with them - a peer, part of the group. Not ateacher. #ukedchat

20:28:38 materialteacher@janeconsidine #ukedchat- I like this 'dare to share'idea! I might get a poster of that!

20:28:43 ICTmagicRT @nohandsup: @ICTmagic The 'conformists' willalways perform better in a system that requires them to'conform' to certain norms #ukedchat

20:28:46 StephenLev@genkijen Good luck-bet you will be better at whatever

it was than I was at skipping! #ukedchat20:28:46 MissionExplore Children need to experience a wide range of situations

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and have the opportunity to experiment in + reflect onthem. #ukedchat

20:28:57 captainrobsYou teach children how to study without technology,and then how to use it as a tool, not a means to an end.

#ukedchat #deathbypowerpoint20:29:06 ICTmagic @nohandsup Oooo. That's deep. I like it. :) #ukedchat

20:29:11 BenRogersOVART @guildofteaching: A great topic for #ukedchattonight: developing independent learners

20:29:27 tmeekyI've seen pressfrom top (Gov) filter through schl +ultimately make my kids (appetite for lrning) see schl asboring = criminal #ukedchat

20:29:32 nohandsupVolition is key - learners have to 'want' to complete thetask/project/assignment. Without volition there is noindependence #ukedchat

20:29:32 materialteacher@oldandrewuk #ukedchat- sharing ideas and bouncingideas off others is natural and effective- look at all of usnow!

20:29:32 ICTmagicRT @MrG_ICT: Remember 10% of info you hear; 90%of info you teach. get them teaching.#ukedchat

20:29:36 jamesmichie@data_fiend True, it takes time. If u read my paper, oneof the things I found was that they did not feel they hadthe skills. #ukedchat

20:29:40 ICTmagicRT @janeconsidine: 'A dare to share' trusting

classroom #ukedchat20:29:40 Starshine_Music

.@hlmrmo @ictmagic absolutely and the teacher'sability to pose such questions is so important #ukedchat

20:29:45 mbrayfordRT @MrG_ICT: Remember 10% of info you hear; 90%of info you teach. get them teaching.#ukedchat

20:29:53 PeterSpencer88@chezallen any advice about ways of childrenteaching? #ukedchat

20:30:07 Educationchat@oldandrewuk Depends if, by independent, you mean'completely on their own' rather than self-motivated,knowing how to learn. #ukedchat

20:30:09 genkijen@ICTmagic i talk to them about why they did that andsee if they need any support to learn - need to getbetter at it tho #ukedchat

20:30:12 catmill@data_fiend @jamesmichie #ukedchat Or that olderpupils are involved in higher stakes assessmentperhaps? Huge pressure for them to perform.

20:30:17 EducationchatRT @materialteacher: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat-sharing ideas and bouncing ideas off others is naturaland effective- look at all of us now!

20:30:27 ICTmagic Are there natural limits to ones creativity and ingenuity?#ukedchat

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20:30:27 brynllRT @raisechildrens: #ukedchat it's also good to letthem experiment in a safe space. One of my "Kre8"girls dons a pair of goggles to do her art pieces!


When we genuinely learn it is for OURSELVES not 2

please or get affirmations. schools designed to createkids who want 2 please #ukedchat

20:30:37 jamesmichieHow I define independent learning: http://t.co/LJlbsgNf#ukedchat

20:30:42 MrWaldram@wendyforte stop watching Porterloo Road and join thediscussion. #ukedchat

20:30:42 KempsterD@jackieschneider: #ukedchat - I'm not sure how muchgenuine learning actually takes place in our schools >Not a huge amount I fear

20:30:45 hlmrmo

@Starshine_Music @ictmagic I'm always more

interested in how they come to the answer than theanswer they give #ukedchat

20:30:48 genkijen @StephenLev ha ha i will let you know :-) #ukedchat

20:30:50 soos24RT @jamesmichie: @oldandrewuk Depends how udefine urself. I am a learner with them - a peer, part ofthe group. Not a teacher. #ukedchat

20:30:56 guildofteaching@victoryoak are running a cpd carousel session byteachers and students on independent learning nextwednesday #ukedchat

20:31 ICTmagic RT @Starshine_Music: .@hlmrmo @ictmagicabsolutely and the teacher's ability to pose suchquestions is so important #ukedchat

20:31:09 materialteacher@ICTmagic #ukedchat- in certain situations, yes, inothers, no- we all have our arena for creativity.

20:31:11 captainrobsAs an NQT, how would you define an innovative learneranyway? Someone who asks questions? #ukedchat

20:31:11 captainrobsAs an NQT, how would you define an innovative learneranyway? Someone who asks questions? #ukedchat

20:31:17 janeconsidineRT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - I think we r micromanaged as teachers & denied opportunity to teachindependently so we do same to kids!

20:31:17 KarDoh#ukedchat Best way to encourage independent learnersis reciprocal learning. Get them to teach you aboutsomething that interests them.

20:31:17 janeconsidineRT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - I think we r micromanaged as teachers & denied opportunity to teachindependently so we do same to kids!

20:31:17 KarDoh

#ukedchat Best way to encourage independent learners

is reciprocal learning. Get them to teach you aboutsomething that interests them.

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20:31:22 ePaceonline@janeconsidine #ukedchat I love pupils teachinglessons too.

20:31:22 brynllRT @chrismayoh: 38 people currently looking atteaching vacancies at Bowling Park. You too...?

http://t.co/3xzcKmSb #ukedchat #edchat20:31:22 ePaceonline

@janeconsidine #ukedchat I love pupils teachinglessons too.

20:31:22 brynllRT @chrismayoh: 38 people currently looking atteaching vacancies at Bowling Park. You too...?http://t.co/3xzcKmSb #ukedchat #edchat

20:31:23 ThisIsLiamM#ukedchat: "Independent Learner", allowed to choosewhat to learn, how to research it & what their outcomewill be.

20:31:24 tmeeky

teacher posing qus etc is of course important, but

something more fundamental is wrong and needsaddressing i.e. the Ed system #ukedchat

20:31:24 Educationchat@futurebehaviour @jackieschneider Recognised how?

A sticker is as good as any way. And children don'tlearn just for a sticker. #ukedchat

20:31:25 mikeatedji@MrG_ICT: Remember 10% of info you hear; 90% ofinfo you teach. get them teaching.#ukedchat > Yes,thisitself needs to be taught carefully

20:31:25 data_fiend

#ukedchat Encouraging a growth mindset, that it is

normal, and a good thing, to have to work hard toachieve. Accept that effort is needed

20:31:28 oldandrewuk @super_sixfive #ukedchat Yes.

20:31:33 SurrealAnarchy@materialteacher @oldandrewuk people shouting intothe twitter abyss trying to be heard in #ukedchatmadness

20:31:42 Sarahloooo@SurrealAnarchy Children are naturally innovativelearners- needs to be nurtured and encouragedthroughout school not discouraged #ukedchat

20:31:49 ICTmagic

RT @hlmrmo: @Starshine_Music @ictmagic I'm always

more interested in how they come to the answer thanthe answer they give #ukedchat

20:31:54 hlmrmo@captainrobs Someone who adapts to the situation tofind the information they are after #ukedchat

20:31:58 jamesmichie@Arsinhy @oldandrewuk Wht I am saying is that beingan effective IL is knowing whn 2 go solo & whn to ask 4help. #ukedchat

20:32:11 jackieschneider@ICTmagic - no. We barely scratch the surface of ourkids capabilities #ukedchat

20:32:12 materialteacher @captainrobs #ukedchat someone who is constantlyquestionning AND evaluating and then actioning

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change

20:32:29 oldandrewukRT @captainrobs: #ukedchat If you want independentlearners, you give them books over the internet. Googleisn't research.

20:32:29 captainrobs @KempsterD @jackieschneider But how would youdefine geniune learning? Academic? Social? Noiselevel? #ukedchat

20:32:37 Kattle9RT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat how do we helpstudents to be more independent? Give them theopportunity to fail and fail again

20:32:37 ePaceonlineRT @Starshine_Music: ...and can you be successfuland creative at the same time? @ICTmagic #ukedchat> oooh yes I think so!

20:32:40 tecgrange

@ICTmagic protyping experimentation and not worrying

about getting the right answer key to develop creativityin schools #ukedchat

20:32:41 brynllSet up opportunities whereby the learners willfail...builds up resilience @360_People #ukedchat

20:32:56 BenRogersOVA@janeconsidine If teachers aren't independent learners,how can our kids be? The same strategies for both!#ukedchat

20:33:05 SurrealAnarchy@cherylren #ukedchat I can't wait to see the personwho invents a completely new way of learning

20:33:07 ICTmagic RT @ThisIsLiamM: #ukedchat: "Independent Learner",allowed to choose what to learn, how to research it &what their outcome will be.

20:33:12 Sarahloooo @jackieschneider Really? How sad! #ukedchat

20:33:16 mbrayfordRT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - I think we r micromanaged as teachers & denied opportunity to teachindependently so we do same to kids!

20:33:20 MrWaldramEnjoying this tonight but it's not getting my short writingmarked.#ukedchat

20:33:22 Kattle9RT @janeconsidine: 'A dare to share' trustingclassroom #ukedchat

20:33:29 StephenLev@captainrobs Interesting question- think it's someonewho gets where you wanted them to go but not how youwere getting them there #ukedchat

20:33:33 Primary_EdConversation leads to understanding - get children totalk about their understanding http://t.co/Zrkfyc5o#ukedchat #edchat

20:33:38 EmSnapsWhatever the subject let them immerse themselves in itat the start. Artefacts, videos, etc. Then ask THEM what

THEY want to know #ukedchat20:33:40 PeterSpencer88 @ThisIsLiamM what about children who are easily

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distracted? How do we keep them on track but stillindependent? #ukedchat

20:33:40 SurrealAnarchy@cherylren #ukedchat or do they mean learning to beinnovative?

20:33:41 SheliBB @DrHuxTM We often go off on tangents and I allowthem to if they are fired up by it. They often dictate thepath of their learning #ukedchat

20:33:46 KempsterDRT @brynll: Set up opportunities whereby the learnerswill fail...builds up resilience @360_People #ukedchat

20:33:51 nohandsupTo promote indep we need space for students toexplore their own interests rather than having learningdirected others #ukedchat

20:33:52 AnGaeilgeoir1Surely an effective rewards policy in a school willencourage independent learning search #ukedchat

20:33:55 Educationchat@oldandrewuk @super_sixfive Imagine a world wherechildren/adults never work in groups together?Dreadful. #ukedchat

20:33:58 super_sixfive#ukedchat I don't know when I had the ability to learnindependently but I feel sure it was after year 11, andmost likely after year 13.

20:33:59 judeenright#ukedchat @captainrobs in many lessons, innovativelearner is the one who's staring out the window

20:34:12 genkijen

RT @BenRogersOVA: @janeconsidine If teachers

aren't independent learners, how can our kids be? Thesame strategies for both! #ukedchat

20:34:15 materialteacher@SurrealAnarchy #ukedchat- is this possible? Totallynew?! Go on- do it now! I'd be impressed!

20:34:21 ICTmagic@jackieschneider So why are there so many childrenout there who are told to sit down, be quiet and do asthey are told? #ukedchat

20:34:29 tmeeky@SurrealAnarchy Yes, Twitter far from ideal for asensible chat on UK Ed.... #ukedchat

20:34:31 ICTmagicCan being innovative & adaptive be taught? What isthe role of an educator in developing this? #ukedchat

20:34:32 nightzookeeper@tecgrange @ictmagic what is the #ukedchat topic thisevening?

20:34:35 jamesmichieWhat my Y12 students felt an IL looked like back inOctober. There perspective has changed since then:http://t.co/Mky9XVHK #ukedchat

20:34:38 Catherine_S88@mattbuxton10 True but we must rememberimportance of teaching children skills they need to gainknowledge as independent learners #ukedchat

20:34:41 ePaceonline RT @materialteacher: @janeconsidine #ukedchat- I likethis 'dare to share' idea! I might get a poster of that! >

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great idea.

20:34:43 EmathsUK#ukedchat If you want independent learning to be true,then kids need to be asking the questions. My model:http://t.co/XFQnnw83

20:34:48 Arsinhy @KarDoh Don't you find that reciprocal learners onlytake in a fraction of what they are taught? #ukedchat

20:34:51 raisechildrens#ukedchat love using these learning strategies in mySunday school group.

20:34:57 materialteacher@judeenright #ukedchat- agreed- so how can weharness their innovation and creativity?

20:34:59 kennypieperRT @jamesmichie: How I define independent learning:http://t.co/LJlbsgNf #ukedchat

20:35 catmillAgreed> RT @ThisIsLiamM: #ukedchat: "IndependentLearner", allowed to choose what to learn, how to

research it & what their outcome will be.

20:35:10 mattbritlandNew Statesman - The education debate bullies in theplayground http://t.co/12qPKu2K #ukedchat

20:35:15 ericsimons40RT @web20education: #edtech20 #pln watch now live#iateflonline http://t.co/5SyYCrw1 #edchat #elearning#ukedchat #cpchat #elemchat #lrnchat #tlchat #cpchat

20:35:16 Educationchat@relativism @materialteacher @futurebehaviour@jackieschneider I hate 3 stars and a wish. Only givestar if due one. #ukedchat

20:35:18 Kattle9RT @data_fiend: #ukedchat Encouraging a growthmindset, that it is normal, and a good thing, to have towork hard to achieve. Accept that effort is needed

20:35:21 mbrayfordRT @ThisIsLiamM: #ukedchat: "Independent Learner",allowed to choose what to learn, how to research it &what their outcome will be.

20:35:22 futurebehaviour@relativism @educationchat @materialteacher@jackieschneider Not suggesting we ban rewards butlet's not rely on them - it's lazy. #ukedchat

20:35:23 EmSnapsEncourage children's curiosity always - I love thecraziest, sparkiest questions that you'd never think ofbut are truly unique #ukedchat

20:35:26 oldandrewuk@SurrealAnarchy #ukedchat I was talking aboutlearning, not hobbies.

20:35:27 mrpeel#ukedchat tricky tho when exam marking penalises trulyindependent response in favour of defined markschemes

20:35:34 nohandsupNew GCSE 'Project Qualifications' - true independentlearning with no 'prescribed' content

http://t.co/cPrGrNau #ukedchat20:35:35 SheliBB @BenRogersOVA @jamesmichie google groups is a

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great forum.Use it for digital leader stuffhttp://t.co/qPnRZsKZ #ukedchat

20:35:41 EmathsUK#ukedchat Independent learning can take huge leapforward soon once Adaptive Learning is working fully. I

reckon 2015: http://t.co/XdRCK4GO

20:35:41 cherylrenAnybody believe in the power of a really inspiring,thought provoking lecture to promote learning? Thinkingmore HE, I guess #ukedchat

20:35:45 markslater121RT @ICTmagic: Can being innovative & adaptive betaught? What is the role of an educator in developingthis? #ukedchat

20:35:46 mikeatedjiRT @ICTmagic: Can being innovative & adaptive betaught? What is the role of an educator in developingthis? #ukedchat

20:35:50 SurrealAnarchy @Sarahloooo how do you define innovative? #ukedchat

20:35:51 Starshine_Music...I meant successful as an independent learner in asystem based on as much conformity as ours is. Dyouthink so? @ePaceonline #ukedchat

20:35:51 syded06RT @ICTmagic: Can being innovative & adaptive betaught? - I believe this will be our primary role in thefuture #ukedchat

20:35:56 ICTmagic@PeterSpencer88 @ThisIsLiamM Perhaps the task isnot suitable for them. Adapt the task, not the child.

#ukedchat20:36:04 ePaceonline @ICTmagic #ukedchat I really hope not.

20:36:13 chezallenTeach speed reading by getting pupils to follow#ukedchat on Twitterfall

20:36:17 mattbritlandRT @MrG_ICT: Remember 10% of info you hear; 90%of info you teach. get them teaching.#ukedchat

20:36:17 materialteacher@futurebehaviour: @relativism @educationchat@materialteacher @jackieschneider let the studentsdecide when a reward is deserved? #ukedchat

20:36:21 jamesmichie@ICTmagic provide opportunities, make learningchallenging & 'relevant to them' & allow them to fail -followed by reflection. #ukedchat

20:36:38 Starshine_MusicRT @BenRogersOVA: @janeconsidine If teachersaren't independent learners, how can our kids be? Thesame strategies for both! #ukedchat

20:36:42 brynllGo follow and visit @dhulston @CapeUK @chrismayoh@Culture_Fusion @Evolve_Impact @360_People forideas...and answers to tonight #ukedchat

20:36:53 raisechildrens@ICTmagic #ukedchat explain what the words mean

and how the tools can be used. Then stand well back!20:36:55 ePaceonline @Starshine_Music #ukedchat - yes

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20:36:55 guildofteaching4 groups of students have volunteered to lead cpdsessions on independent learning next week forteachers@victoryoak #ukedchat

20:36:59 jamesmichie

RT @SheliBB: @BenRogersOVA @jamesmichie

google groups is a great forum.Use it for digital leaderstuff http://t.co/qPnRZsKZ #ukedchat

20:36:59 SurrealAnarchy@materialteacher #ukedchat exactly my point,innovative learner is a nonsense is it not?

20:37:02 KarDoh@Arsinhy Really depends on what/how/why/when theyare taught. And by whom. IMHO #ukedchat

20:37:13 KempsterD#ukedchat We're all independent learners just we arevery rarely given opp at school to show that we are.

20:37:14 ThisIsLiamM@ICTmagic Write that one down and include it in abook one day! :-) #ukedchat

20:37:16 ICTmagic @chezallen So educators are wasting their time to try?How can we do things that will help? #ukedchat

20:37:18 tmeeky@jamesmichie This means teachers need to let go abit... but they daren't (often) cos of top down pressures#ukedchat

20:37:24 itsmeroweyBlog post Cre8agame student empowerment, learnersteaching learners about Kodu http://t.co/cGugYaDe#pilgf #msftpil #kodu #ukedchat #edchat


@ICTmagic - because we want compliant kids who

know there place. It's much harder treating kids asindividuals! #ukedchat

20:37:31 Arsinhy @KarDoh #mathsjoke falls on stony ground #ukedchat

20:37:40 captainrobs@materialteacher You can do that by teaching themhow to research and read in the first place. #ukedchat

20:37:43 SurrealAnarchy@oldandrewuk: @SurrealAnarchy #ukedchat I wastalking about learning, not hobbies. one doesn't learnpiano then?

20:37:45 mikeatedji#ukedchat If the key to learning is beginning withquestions then secondary schools don't allow enoughpupil driven Qs - primary schools?

20:37:53 tecgrange@ICTmagic I think it us more about letting the innatecreativity flourish with the right environment & tools etc#ukedchat

20:37:56 jackieschneider @AndrewManson1 - true dat! #ukedchat

20:38 ICTmagic@syded06 I agree completely. Guiding learning, notcontrolling learning. #ukedchat

20:38:09 relativism@SheliBB @Educationchat @materialteacher@futurebehaviour @jackieschneider & sometimes no

stars. (or am I just cruel?) #ukedchat20:38:10 syded06 Can't help but think our current assessment strategies

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undermine the fantastic suggestions on #ukedchat

20:38:10 judeenright#ukedchat @materialteacher plan the curriculum toinclude enrichment days/sessions, small groupdiscussion lessons, listen to them. Be bold.

20:38:12 mrpeel @captainrobs #ukedchat seems a bit generalised...what do you mean?

20:38:15 Educationchat@KempsterD Not in every school. Some schools aregreat at independent learning... #ukedchat

20:38:18 jamesmichie@SheliBB @BenRogersOVA I use Google Docs tosupport learning - my students are co-creating arevision guide: https://t.co/5gZALZDm #ukedchat

20:38:21 SurrealAnarchy@oldandrewuk: @SurrealAnarchy #ukedchat I wastalking about learning, not hobbies. one doesn't learnto conduct an orchestra?

20:38:27 BenRogersOVA@SheliBB @jamesmichie thanks, it's been on to do list.Will investigate google groups over easter. Anyrecommendations? #ukedchat

20:38:30 nightzookeeper@ICTmagic we need to teach creative thinking skillsfrom an early age. They will then collaborate moreeffectively #ukedchat

20:38:42 mrpeel @syded06 #ukedchat totally agree

20:38:51 oldandrewuk@MikeCraven5 #ukedchat Balance between learningand not learning?

20:38:53 emmaannhardyRT @syded06: Can't help but think our currentassessment strategies undermine the fantasticsuggestions on #ukedchat

20:38:53 MrWaldramI let the ch choose their level of Q sometimes they canpick depending on their confidence/understanding#ukedchat http://t.co/BlMDLT0C

20:38:56 mikeatedji@jackieschneider: Let's BAN the use of low/middle/high ability to label kids. HUGELY damaging#ukedchat >> Amen to that

20:39:01 genkijen@genkijen @super_sixfive I used lots of strategies aswell as lessons - no one told me to - i decided what ineeded to do #ukedchat

20:39:03 jamesmichie@SheliBB @BenRogersOVA Develops independentthought because they all contribute but theydisagree/argue, develop important skills. #ukedchat

20:39:04 ICTmagic@mbrayford Does that mean that there is no place fornon-innovative educators in the profession? #ukedchat

20:39:26 tmeekyteachers too paranoid about being judged, measured,needing to justify everything (with evidence) .. means

they hold back #ukedchat20:39:27 te_ach_er Independence in learning has 2b echoed in all aspects

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of school.We can't expect children to 'turn on'independence at our request #ukedchat

20:39:31 Educationchat@mikeatedji Maybe due to tightness of curriculum. Ifchildren want to go off at a tangent can the secondary

curriculum allow this? #ukedchat

20:39:33 data_fiend@captainrobs #ukedchat Or teach them how to use theinternet properly - I learn so much each day from it. Butthey need the critical skills

20:39:36 materialteacherRT @judeenright: #ukedchat @materialteacher plan thecurriculum to include enrichment days/sessions, smallgroup discussion lessons, listen to them. Be bold.

20:39:37 nohandsup@cherylren I have seen this work with younger children.Lectures don't have to be 'transmissionist' #ukedchat

20:39:42 mrpeel

@mikeatedji #ukedchat what a good idea, but focus is

on teaching what is in front of us, not teaching to thelabel of "bottom set"

20:39:42 judeenrightRT @mikeatedji: @jackieschneider: Let's BAN the useof low/middle/ high ability to label kids. HUGELYdamaging #ukedchat >> Amen to that

20:39:48 syded06@ICTmagic yes and allowing content to be discoveredoutside the classroom supports guiding innovationwithin it #ukedchat

20:39:50 ICTmagic@chezallen That is a task that no human can perform!

#ukedchat

20:39:53 SurrealAnarchy@oldandrewuk: @SurrealAnarchy #ukedchat I wastalking about learning, not hobbies. one doesn't learnhistory as a dramaturg?

20:39:57 EmathsUK#ukedchat Pearson are making big steps in creating afull independent learning course http://t.co/anKO8Xi8

20:40:05 RussellPollockRT @jpgreenwood: 'How to harness the learning powerof a good display' from @guardian:http://t.co/rXT5MRhT #ukedchat #edchat

20:40:11 InsipidMonk

What about learning those skills that children do not see

the benefit? Can children learn these independently?#ukedchat

20:40:11 SparkyTeaching#ukedchat Not just beginning with questions, butthinking carefully about the types of questions we use.

20:40:15 Educationchat@materialteacher @futurebehaviour @relativism@jackieschneider Jeez - in Y2 they'd demand stickersafter every piece of work. #ukedchat

20:40:18 mrpeel @genkijen #ukedchat is this the same chat?

20:40:22 ThisIsLiamM

#ukedchat Am I allowed to ask questions? Or is that

@ICTmagic's job? What tools do you use to support /encourage IL in your classroom?

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20:40:25 Sarahloooo@SurrealAnarchy Experimenting, independent choices,fearless in searching for an answer/seeking newinformation- not constrained #ukedchat

20:40:36 TommyTeachPE

#ukedchat teachers ate important in the creative

process as they create the climate in the class, and areresponsible for the environment

20:40:39 materialteacher@captainrobs #ukedchat- I don't think so. We questionthings we're inspired by or interested by- hopefully allour lessons then!

20:40:43 NWalkerDHSBTeach children to make commitments, overcome fear,deal transparently, initiate, desire lifelong learning andexpress themselves. #ukedchat

20:40:44 nightzookeeper@ICTmagic thanks. Children need to be in a classroomthat promotes enquiry based learning #ukedchat

20:40:51 captainrobs@mrpeel I mean that I'm surprised that people aretalking as though no one has ever questioned what theyhave learnt before. #ukedchat

20:40:52 MrWaldramindependent Q choice - see pic #ukedchathttp://t.co/a4fogX0o

20:40:55 chezallen@ICTmagic Watch a vid with the sound off for a start.

Annoys them for a minute but then, oh theconcentration! #ukedchat

20:40:57 BenRogersOVA@jamesmichie @SheliBB Sounds great. I've seen

google docs in action. V impressed #ukedchat20:41:01 ICTmagic

@cherylren If I am not inspired in a lesson I teach. I willnot teach it that way. #ukedchat

20:41:05 EmSnapsI have a 'Question of the Week' for homework from ahat of child led questions. They present their learninghowever they wish. #ukedchat

20:41:10 genkijen@MrWaldram advice pls what do you do if they picksomething too hard for their level but copy fromothers ? #ukedchat

20:41:25 judeenright

#ukedchat hear hear @mikeatedji @jackieschneider

"low ability" are just students who haven't spent enoughtime practising those skills.

20:41:27 jamesmichie@mikeatedji True, students trained to become great atanswers but very poor at asking questions. #ukedchat

20:41:28 MikeCraven5got to say Andrew, that surely depends on the teacher#ukedchat @oldandrewuk

20:41:30 ICTmagic @ThisIsLiamM Ask away... #ukedchat

20:41:35 jackieschneider@ICTmagic @mbrayford - of course - schools willalways need Heads & deputies! JOKE people JOKE!!!

#ukedchat20:41:36 cherylren @SurrealAnarchy I think they do - with employability &

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entrepreneurialism as the outcome. #ukedchat

20:41:41 Sarahloooo@super_sixfive My Reception class learn independentlyevery day! #ukedchat

20:41:47 MrWaldram @genkijen itchy knee san shee? #ukedchat

20:41:54 jamesmichie @mikeatedji Perhaps teachers/schools are afraid ofwhat they'll ask?! #ukedchat

20:41:58 oldandrewuk@super_sixfive #ukedchat Co-operating with groups ofconscripted teenagers is not actually a life skill.

20:42:07 alisoniredale@cherylren: #ukedchat a place for the lecture in anysetting. Everyone recognises and respects an expertholding forth.

20:42:13 Educationchat@janbaker97 @KempsterD Always needs direction.Skills need teaching then allow time to apply skills incontext decided by pupils. #ukedchat

20:42:18 ICTmagic @EmSnaps Sounds super. I do something similar.#ukedchat

20:42:18 syded06RT @jamesmichie: @mikeatedji Perhapsteachers/schools are afraid of what they'll ask?!#ukedchat - definitely

20:42:19 guildofteachingRT @BenRogersOVA: @janeconsidine If teachersaren't independent learners, how can our kids be? Thesame strategies for both! #ukedchat

20:42:19 EmathsUK

#ukedchat Will there be a point in the very near future

when teachers are no longer needed? Do we needschools? Many kids don't have either

20:42:28 SurrealAnarchy @Sarahloooo and why is all that innovative? #ukedchat

20:42:38 MrWaldram@genkijen they are generally so focused on their qs. Itry to get round too #ukedchat

20:42:39 ThisIsLiamM#ukedchat: Remember we're not only teaching subjectknowledge, we're teaching life skills too. Where do theyfit into everyday learning?

20:42:46 Kezmerrelda#ukedchat still think you have got to give children somecontrol over what they want to learn. If they haveownership and want to, they will

20:42:54 emmaannhardyRT @Sarahloooo: @super_sixfive My Reception classlearn independently every day! #ukedchat

20:42:56 ePaceonline#ukedchat think this is a fundamental difficulty with thesystem

20:43:05 blogadoptFinding time to do the set up is proving tricky butadoptions will be set up as soon as I can! Building upsuspense ;) #blogadopt #ukedchat

20:43:05 mikeatedji

@Educationchat #ukedchat I was Primary teacher but

my own kids report extreme rigidity of cuuriculum allowsfor little pupil driven learning

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20:43:11 Arsinhy@Educationchat @mikeatedji If you use negativereciprocal radius learning you are perfectly positioned togo off at a tangent #ukedchat

20:43:14 jackieschneider@Sarahloooo @super_sixfive - you wait - big school

will soon knock that out of them! #ukedchat20:43:15 cherylren

@MBenDixon ...yes, as part of the curriculum, not thewhole darn thing : ) #ukedchat

20:43:22 TommyTeachPE@EmathsUK my last tweet answers your question#ukedchat

20:43:22 emmaannhardyRT @ThisIsLiamM: #ukedchat: Remember we're notonly teaching subject knowledge, we're teaching lifeskills too. Where do they fit into everyday learning?

20:43:26 InsipidMonk@EmathsUK That is where we learn to work/deal withothers. Always a place for physical social learning

environments. #ukedchat

20:43:30 captainrobs@data_fiend That's what I mean, but I'm concerned thatpeople rely on ICT because of the bells and whistles,despite of content. #ukedchat

20:43:43 ICTmagic@chezallen That I nice idea. Also good to look like youleft the speaker cable out on purpose. :) #ukedchat

20:43:45 Sarahloooo @SurrealAnarchy Why is it not?! #ukedchat

20:43:45 nightzookeeper@janbaker97 @educationchat @kempsterd doesn'tdepend on ability, if the task is pitched correctly all can

achieve independently #ukedchat

20:43:47 nohandsupMy observations - as children get older, self-awarenessincreases, risk-taking decreases and reliance onteacher increases #ukedchat

20:43:53 ikeontoast@raisechildrens agreed, allowing children to surpass usis the aim :) #ukedchat

20:43:57 super_sixfive@Sarahloooo: @super_sixfive My Reception classlearn independently every day! #ukedchat that's why Iwish I was a reception teacher

20:43:58 chezallen@EmathsUK Welcome to the 'Sage on the Stage vGuide at the Side' debate :o) #ukedchat

20:44:07 syded06And yet for the next 2 months we will frantically bemaking it as easy as possible for out students to get thebest grade? #ukedchat

20:44:08 ICTmagicRT @ThisIsLiamM: #ukedchat: Remember we're notonly teaching subject knowledge, we're teaching lifeskills too. Where do they fit into everyday learning?

20:44:10 jackieschneider@Sarahloooo @super_sixfive - seriously though EYgives kids way more independence then they ever have

again #ukedchat20:44:14 EmathsUK @InsipidMonk #ukedchat But why does that have to be

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schools? Thousands of children around the world learnin different settings

20:44:17 mikeatedji@jamesmichie Yes! What a shame if that's the case!#ukedchat MAybe thats the rallying callBan the fear

20:44:17 mikeatedji @jamesmichie Yes! What a shame if that's the case!#ukedchat MAybe thats the rallying callBan the fear

20:44:24 PeterSpencer88@EmathsUK I hope not. What would be there in theplace of schools? #ukedchat

20:44:25 judeenright#ukedchat @ThisIsLiamM @ictmagic start every lessonwith a big question-students have to answer it.DON'Thave answer in yr head or answer it

20:44:34 MrWaldram@genkijen try it, they do pitch themselves at the rightlevel. They want to aim high but want security 1st#ukedchat

20:44:34 SparkyTeachingSure there's room somewhere for a resource packcompletely aimed at the making of mistakes. Better totry and fail... @bellaale #ukedchat

20:44:36 SurrealAnarchy@cherylren #ukedchat can we stop educating people inorder to get jobs? There are far more important thingsto educate for

20:44:38 jamesmichieGoogle Docs + AfL, developing learner autonomythrough 1-2-1 assessment, teach individuals not wholeclass. http://t.co/nslUyS3m #ukedchat

20:44:43 mattbuxton10 @Catherine_S88 Yes but they develop the skills byusing the stuff they know about something; build on itso they figure out more #ukedchat

20:44:47 mikeatedjiRT @jamesmichie: @mikeatedji True, students trainedto become great at answers but very poor at askingquestions. #ukedchat

20:45 EmathsUK@PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat There are numerousalternative settings

20:45:05 emmaannhardyRT @jackieschneider: @Sarahloooo @super_sixfive -seriously though EY gives kids way more independence

then they ever have again #ukedchat

20:45:07 jamesmichieRT @mikeatedji: @jamesmichie Yes! What a shame ifthat's the case! #ukedchat MAybe thats the rallyingcallBan the fear

20:45:08 cherylren@nohandsup I guess shorter is better for youngerstudents but just Listening and being enthralled istraditional but *good* #ukedchat

20:45:09 tmeekyLots of relevance for tonight's topic in this tweet from@nancyduarte: Innovation's secret sauce

http://t.co/tJTFvg9w #ukedchat20:45:12 acandlelighter RT @captainrobs: #ukedchat If you want independent

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learners, you give them books over the internet. Googleisn't research.

20:45:16 raisechildrens@ThisIsLiamM they should be being taught everyday!#ukedchat

20:45:23 ICTmagic How have/could you adapt the learning environment (ifit was a single space) to encourage innovation?#ukedchat

20:45:24 MrWaldramRight, I am definitely independently marking my shortwriting. Thanks. #Ukedchat

20:45:27 InsipidMonk@EmathsUK Schools by other names. Similarprocesses. #ukedchat

20:45:28 Sarahloooo @jackieschneider Terrible places! #ukedchat

20:45:30 EmathsUK#ukedchat Schools and teachers used to be the holderof information, but now information is everywhere, so do

we need them?

20:45:32 alisoniredaleRT @cherylren: "Pose, pause, pounce, bounce" getsthem thinking for themselves http://t.co/UrnCK1kM#ukedchat

20:45:35 reflectivemathsRT @jackieschneider: Let's BAN the use of low/middle/high ability to label kids. HUGELY damaging #ukedchat

20:45:35 hlmrmo@SurrealAnarchy @cherylren A good job should be thebenefit of a good education, not a reason for beingeducated #ukedchat

20:45:36 BenRogersOVA@nohandsup I agree: teenagers really don't want tolook silly. We have to work hard to create saferclassrooms #ukedchat

20:45:41 soos24@ikeontoast @raisechildrens #ukedchat totally agree, Itell them that, you teach me - I don't know it all

20:46:01 captainrobs@SurrealAnarchy @cherylren what do you mean?#ukedchat

20:46:05 nightzookeeper@super_sixfive @sarahloooo when do students learnto be dependent on their teacher? #ukedchat

20:46:13 SurrealAnarchy@Sarahloooo depends on your definition of innovative,ahead of the times? Or something never done before#ukedchat

20:46:17 PrimaryIdeasRT @judeenright: #ukedchat @ThisIsLiamM @ictmagicstart every lesson with a big question-students have toanswer it.DON'T have answer in yr head or answer it

20:46:19 ICTmagic@judeenright Can that work in all subjects/lessons?What are the limits, if any? #ukedchat

20:46:21 jackieschneiderYou can not force anyone to learn. We can force kidsinto uniform & compel them to attend school & chase

exams - not education #ukedchat20:46:24 EmathsUK @InsipidMonk #ukedchat That's not the case - what

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about the child in the Oz Outback - they nailed distance,independent learning years ago

20:46:26 EducationchatRT @jackieschneider: @Sarahloooo @super_sixfive -seriously though EY gives kids way more independence

then they ever have again #ukedchat

20:46:27 genkijen@MrWaldram i had one this week who chosesomething way too tricky- she struggles with nos to 20,didn't want to knock confidence #ukedchat

20:46:34 Hub_SpokeHarlow@ThisIsLiamM #ukedchat you're thinking of teaching as

just the time spent at school...what about the rest of theday??

20:46:40 ICTmagicRT @SurrealAnarchy: @cherylren #ukedchat can westop educating people in order to get jobs? There arefar more important things to educate for

20:46:42 cherylren @danaxson Agreed. And I've learnt masses of stuff onthe back of a good lecture at Uni. #ukedchat

20:46:43 mikeatedji#ukedchat It is worthwhile allowing pupils the time toask the Qs they want toit requires practice..they learnsome Qs are limiting

20:46:46 SurrealAnarchy@Sarahloooo if that's your view of innovative then mostkids can't be innovative #ukedchat

20:46:47 nightzookeeperRT @judeenright: #ukedchat @ThisIsLiamM @ictmagicstart every lesson with a big question-students have to

answer it.DON'T have answer in yr head or answer it20:46:48 InsipidMonk @EmathsUK Did they? #ukedchat

20:46:50 tecgrange@ICTmagic crucial to involve parents in the learning oflife skills this cannot just be confined to the schools#ukedchat

20:46:57 reflectivemaths@ICTmagic @thisisliamm Agree about teaching lifeskills. Where does that fit into observations? #ukedchat

20:46:58 syded06@ICTmagic Favour the lesson recorded and studentswatch at own pace so students can use lesson time asreal contact time #ukedchat

20:47 mattbuxton10@chezallen @EmathsUK False dichotomy; goodteaching will incorporate both #ukedchat

20:47 jamesmichieAlso much teach kids to be self-reflexive not just self-reflective. #ukedchat

20:47:05 mrpeel#ukedchat worried now, teaching a session toGTP/PGCE tomorrow... will I be innovative?

20:47:08 emmaannhardyRT @BenRogersOVA: @nohandsup I agree: teenagersreally don't want to look silly. We have to work hard tocreate safer classrooms #ukedchat

20:47:09 Sarahloooo @nightzookeeper Depends when they meet the wrongteacher! #ukedchat

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