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ukedchat Archive 21st February2013 Hosted by@ICTmagic

Your reaction to the draft NationalCurriculum for England.

20:00:06 ukedchatIts 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @ICTmagic Yourreaction to the draft National Curriculum for England.

20:00:13 ICTmagicThought Id begin by looking at the outgoing curriculum.Does it need replacing? #ukedchat

20:00:23 ICTmagic What parts of the outgoing curriculum would you like tokeep in the new curriculum? #ukedchat

20:00:27 ukedchat

@ICTEvangelist Or http://t.co/ao2vSkbBEc also worksgreat on all devices. Also via @chilledteaching#ukedchat

20:00:27 ICTEvangelist

RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat will be starting in just a fewminutes. If you are joining us unprotect your tweets anduse the #ukedchat hashtag.

20:00:45 ukedchatRT @ICTmagic: Thought Id begin by looking at the

outgoing curriculum. Does it need replacing? #ukedchat

20:01:17 bekblayton

RT @ukedchat: RT @ICTmagic: Thought Id begin bylooking at the outgoing curriculum. Does it needreplacing? #ukedchat

20:01:19 EnglishRoses

@GuardianTeach Why not? You can do a lesson ofanything. Eg recent lesson on migration featuredBeckham moving to Paris (geo yr 8) #ukedchat

20:01:25 eslweb@ICTEvangelist @ICE2911 @chilledteaching Best I'vefound is echofon http://t.co/1DOS8sJEx6 #ukedchat

20:01:30 danielharvey9 RT @ICTEvangelist: As we think about #UKEdChat and#alternativeukedchat tonight - when did you last Googleyourself? Be mindful of your ...

20:01:33 Animate2Educate

RT @ukedchat: Primary Curriculum changes - A briefsummary of primary changes ready for #ukedchat -http://t.co/sQ3JHMFVB8

20:01:45 ICTmagic

RT @ukedchat: Primary Curriculum changes - A briefsummary of primary changes ready for #ukedchat -http://t.co/sQ3JHMFVB8

20:01:45 lizzie_h18@ICTmagic id definitely keep speaking and listening asa strand in the english programmes of study #ukedchat

20:01:47 MisterGBrown

@ICTmagic ICT curriculum extremely dated needsupdating - but do staff have the ability to keep up?#ukedchat

20:01:48 ukedchat

Think most of us would agree that the ICT is horriblyoutdated, and goodbye to QCA schemes of work!!!#ukedchat

20:01:49 DebbieHolley1#ukedchat in case anyone needs quick reference hereis link http://t.co/sKZlEPUG9Z

20:02:03 Laura_Suths @ukedchat @ictmagic #ukedchat mixed feelings about

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ditching levels. When used well resulted in goodprogress & scaffolding

20:02:08 michaelt1979

If for no other reason, the current NC is over 10 yearsold for primary; it's due a review, certainly - but one that

involves us! #ukedchat

20:02:11 danielharvey9

RT @ukedchat: Tonight #ukedchat will be discussing'Your reaction to the draft National Curriculum'. Beginsat 8pm hosted by @ICTmagic c ...

20:02:31 EmmaCurl

RT @ukedchat: Think most of us would agree that theICT is horribly outdated, and goodbye to QCA schemesof work!!! #ukedchat

20:02:34 philallman1#ukedchat I'd keep the main aspect of maths asreasoning rather than methodology.

20:02:41 MultiMartin RT blog post - Badges for Learninghttp://t.co/8yG5I8sQ64 < Using online badges torecognise online and offline skills #edchat #ukedchat

20:02:56 AlexAtherton100What's the difference between computer science and ict? What should it be ? #ukedchat

20:02:58 SaveOur_History

RT @ukedchat: Tonight #ukedchat will be discussing'Your reaction to the draft National Curriculum'. Beginsat 8pm hosted by @ICTmagic c ...

20:02:58 fod3

RT @lizzie_h18: @ICTmagic id definitely keep speakingand listening as a strand in the english programmes ofstudy #ukedchat

20:03:04 michaelt1979

Think most people said goodbye to QCA schemes ofwork some time ago, didn't they? New Science plansjust reincarnate them! #ukedchat

20:03:06 DebbieHolley1

@MisterGBrown @ictmagic #ukedchat can we affordNOT to keep up? We are preparing children for a futurewe can't even imagine!

20:03:13 ChrisRaynerd

@MisterGBrown @ictmagic agree... Programming andthe demands of the ICT curriculum seem out of date.#ukedchat

20:03:17 WithoutMotive

@ukedchat I'm a network manager and pretty bored ofoverhearing PowerPoint being taught. The kids just lookdazed. #ukedchat

20:03:21 ukedchat

Feel that the last government missed a greatopportunity by not implementing Rose and/orCambridge Review? #ukedchat

20:03:32 thought_weaversRT @ICTmagic: Thought Id begin by looking at theoutgoing curriculum. Does it need replacing? #ukedchat

20:03:33 Teachric I like the draft curriculum. There I said it #ukedchat

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20:03:45 lizzie_h18@ICTmagic id also keep the skills and values sections#ukedchat

20:04:01 primary_science

#ukedchat history NC is unmanageable, esp at KS2. I'mpassionate about hist, but don't think I can do justice to

so big a range.20:04:10 ukedchat

@WithoutMotive It should be a disciplinary matter ;-)#ukedchat

20:04:15 Laura_Suths#ukedchat loving focus on whole texts & challengefor all in English.

20:04:15 DataphoneEdu

RT @ukedchat: Feel that the last government missed agreat opportunity by not implementing Rose and/orCambridge Review? #ukedchat

20:04:19 ICTmagic

@ChrisRaynerd @MisterGBrown True. But is it

necessary in other areas? English is pretty muh thesame English it was 15 years ago. #ukedchat

20:04:31 davidandrew52

RT @DebbieHolley1: #Ukedchat read about whathappened when Michael Gove visited a school in 2009before he took office - debatehttp://wp ...

20:04:39 ukedchat@Teachric Why? How does it tick your boxes?#ukedchat

20:04:40 philallman1@Teachric why? What about it appeals to you?#ukedchat

20:04:48 WithoutMotive @ukedchat If it was, there would be no ICT departmentas they'd be in permanent detention. #ukedchat

20:04:49 Laura_Suths@Teachric sort of with u there but need to know howwe're assessing! #ukedchat

20:04:50 ChrisChivers2


20:04:57 ICTmagic @primary_science Why is it unmanageable? #ukedchat

20:04:58 Graham_IRISC

@dandesignthink: (work in progress) what makes agreat lesson? teacher, student and environment#ukedchat #education http://t.co/MHvxZk3Pcp

20:05:02 michaelt1979@Teachric Can you give us all your wisdom on how toteach 1700 years of History in KS2 then? ;) #ukedchat

20:05:06 thought_weavers

#ukedchat do we actually need a NC -surely if a schoolis judged to be good or outstanding they could planthere own?

20:05:14 ukedchat@philallman1 Indeed, a lot of maths is down tolanguage and understanding. #ukedchat

20:05:26 tombennett71

RT @Teachric: I like the draft curriculum. There I said it#ukedchat

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20:05:29 primary_science@HelenCaldwel computing stuff looks good. Thanks#ukedchat

20:05:34 deepexperience1

#UKedchat I'll sum up my views on the Science NC draft- dull & setting it back 50 years, all interesting

& new stuff is kicked out!20:05:37 ICTmagic

@fod3 @lizzie_h18 I agree. why do you think there isthis gap at KS1&2? #ukedchat

20:05:42 ukedchat@WithoutMotive Very true, and a poor reflection on the"profession"! #ukedchat

20:05:45 eslweb

@ukedchat @WithoutMotive wish people would quitslamming #PowerPoint just a tool. One that's good for#infographics & #animation #ukedchat

20:05:46 RaphaelMJames

RT @ukedchat: Feel that the last government missed a

great opportunity by not implementing Rose and/orCambridge Review? #ukedchat

20:05:53 fod3

@Laura_Suths #ukedchat Definitely. I love this too.The breadth of study implicitly suggests the need for athree year KS4 curriculum.

20:05:53 Laura_Suths

@ICTmagic @chrisraynerd @mistergbrown potentiallybringing back good. New focus on spoken language.Not sure about that... #ukedchat

20:05:56 michaelt1979I don't think it's all bad; it's just that the bad bits are soawful they outweigh the positives by far! #ukedchat

20:06:01 Animate2Educate@ICTmagic Agree old ICT curriculum very dated.#ukedchat

20:06:14 tombennett71My thoughts on the The New History Curriculum Part 1http://t.co/cfCOZJj7ZR #ukedchat

20:06:16 ukedchat @primary_science It is all a bit daunting! #ukedchat

20:06:34 Hayley_Onslow

@primary_science There is a lot to fit in but it is alsovery narrow minded when you look at the world today#ukedchat

20:06:42 ukedchat @michaelt1979 The positives being...? #ukedchat

20:06:43 SaveOur_History@ICTmagic @primary_science too much (banal)content too little time #ukedchat


@eslweb @ukedchat I wouldn't say I was slammingPowerPoint. As @ezzy_moon pointed out, maybe it'show it's taught. #ukedchat

20:07:09 Laura_Suths

@fod3 yes it's going to make better Y7&8 teachersout of us I think with much more productive Y9#ukedchat

20:07:14 DebbieHolley1 RT @deepexperience1: #UKedchat I'll sum up my viewson the Science NC draft - dull & setting it back 50

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years, all interesting & ...


@AlexAtherton100Former makes latter possible#ukedchat

20:07:43 DebbieHolley1 RT @Laura_Suths: #ukedchat loving focus on wholetexts & challenge for all in English.

20:07:45 primary_science@ICTmagic ancient Egypt and real life history at KS 2.#ukedchat

20:07:49 eslweb@WithoutMotive @ukedchat @ezzy_moon I'd agreewith that... #ukedchat

20:07:50 SaveOur_History@Teachric have to ask - do you mean all of it?#ukedchat

20:07:50 ICTmagicBeing positive... Are they any improvements in the new

draft NC over the previous incarnation? #ukedchat20:08:04 jj__loves__jj

#ukedchat You cannot care about school history andsupport draft curriculum for history.

20:08:17 michaelt1979

There's a lot of be said for the actual slimming down ofArt, Music, etc. Shame the same wasn't done withHistory/Geography, etc. #ukedchat


@PhilPfromSC @ukedchat A few have gone down the#Prezi route for their own presentations but haven'tbrought it into the classroom #ukedchat

20:08:20 ukedchat RT @ICTmagic: Being positive... Are they anyimprovements in the new draft NC over the previousincarnation? #ukedchat

20:08:28 ianaddison

Regarding the new curriculum, here's a chance to haveyour say on the KS1/2 Computing Curriculumhttp://t.co/sMEJ2Qe3CW #ukedchat

20:08:35 ICTmagic@primary_science Pupil mummification. Might not godown too well! #ukedchat

20:08:48 DebbieHolley1#ukedchat summary of Rose herehttp://t.co/jDW409uC4S

20:08:51 tmeeky

As with any curriculum, it's how it is interpreted andfacilitated that's key, not the curric itself. Isn't it?#UkEdChat

20:08:51 urban_teacherThought of the day: A Year From Now You Will WishYou Had Started Today. #ukedchat #edchat

20:08:54 njpiercy

#ukedchat struggling to see the sense in the historychanges completely changed the material and put hugedemands on primary

20:09:05 danielharvey9 @ukedchat #ukedchatFocus on developmental progress in skills replaced by

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RT @michaelt1979: I don't think it's all bad; it's just thatthe bad bits are so awful they outweigh the positives byfar! #ukedchat

20:09:17 Hayley_Onslow@michaelt1979 I don't think it's all bad; it's just that thebad bits are so awful they outweigh the positives by far!#ukedchat < agreed!

20:09:26 MisterGBrown When do we get time to read whole texts? #ukedchat

20:09:33 KempsterD

@ICTmagic Yes. Its much shorter. Less paper to throwaway when its scrapped ;-) #landfillsfullofNCdocuments#ukedchat

20:09:40 DebbieHolley1#ukedchat cambridge review summary herehttp://t.co/EogBiUt8d7

20:09:43 fod3 @ICTmagic #ukedchat a real focus on reading andreading whole texts.

20:09:54 njpiercy#ukedchat their needs to be more of a balanceespecially as ks2 will rightly focus on English and maths

20:09:56 ICTmagic@fod3 @lizzie_h18 So you think Sp&L is seen asa means to an end in the new NC? #ukedchat

20:09:58 ICE2911

RT @tmeeky: As with any curriculum, it's how it isinterpreted and facilitated that's key, not the curric itself.Isn't it? #UkEdChat

20:10:02 Ezzy_Moon RT @tmeeky: As with any curriculum, it's how it isinterpreted and facilitated that's key, not the curric itself.Isn't it? #UkEdChat


RT @tombennett71: My thoughts on the The NewHistory Curriculum Part 1 http://t.co/cfCOZJj7ZR#ukedchat

20:10:13 lizzie_h18

@ICTmagic @fod3 #ukedchat children won't have timeto talk and discuss as there time will be taken up beingtaught ;)

20:10:17 ICTmagic

RT @KempsterD: @ICTmagic Yes. Its much shorter.Less paper to throw away when its scrapped ;-)#landfillsfullofNCdocuments #ukedchat

20:10:22 michaelt1979@tmeeky Problem is, over-prescription leaves too littleroom or time for interpretation of facilitation! #ukedchat

20:10:27 eslweb

@WithoutMotive @PhilPfromSC @ukedchat All havetheir place. TimeToast is good too. PPT has Prezi toohttp://t.co/ljgpBqDhzu #ukedchat


#ukedchat our FB group 'save school history' is a hubfor opposition to the history draft - join us here:

http://t.co/M6gj1Q0UyF

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20:10:40 DebbieHolley1RT @jj__loves__jj: #ukedchat You cannot care aboutschool history and support draft curriculum for history.

20:10:43 ukedchat

There is no need to implement anyway. Just convert toa free school or academy, then you can do your own

thing! Hidden agenda? #ukedchat


@thought_weavers #ukedchat My experience is thatmost schools now have a good creative curriculum inplace. Too many changes in recent years

20:10:53 s_armitage

Worth a 2nd tweet: RT @carlgomb: #Elearning seems aweirder & weirder term. Like Car-Driving or Food-Eating #Edchat #ipaded #ukedchat

20:10:56 MisterGBrown

If we stop primary history at the Stuart's there will be ahell of a lot of resources lying around in primary

classrooms #ukedchat20:10:59 primary_science

@ukedchat Agree! New stuff looks tricky, but I like achallenge. #ukedchat


@tmeeky #ukedchat very frustrating that facts are sohigh priority. Why not just teach pupils to use googleand teach themselves

20:11:06 ICTmagic@lizzie_h18 They are at school. Should they not betaught full time? @fod3 #ukedchat

20:11:15 michaelt1979

Yes, agree with fod3 that the focus on whole texts is ajoy! Actually, much positive about Reading elements.#ukedchat

20:11:18 DTE_SHU

#ukedchat Design Technology curriculum at bestcompletely inappropriate...? How can we as adeveloped nation not consider future generations

20:11:33 ICTmagic@primary_science I think a permission slip is in order!#ukedchat

20:11:48 aknill

#ukedchat my concern as a teacher is what is theburden of change especially for primary colleagueswithout support/ CPD

20:11:51 fod3@ICTmagic @lizzie_h18 to support other learningbefore becoming discreet in KS3. #ukedchat

20:11:53 michaelt1979

Yes, agree with @fod3 that the focus on whole texts is ajoy! Actually, much positive about Reading elements.#ukedchat

20:11:58 WithoutMotive@eslweb Many thanks. Never seen the PPT Prezi orheard of TimeToast. #ukedchat

20:12:02 eslweb

#history isn't my subject, but liked starting with familyhistory, then town (local) history, then national and

finally inter. #ukedchat

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20:12:12 mberry

@ukedchat no, the old KS1/2 ICT stood the test of time,& allowed you to do almost anything. Or do youmean the new ICT is dated? #ukedchat

20:12:15 ICTmagic

RT @aknill: #ukedchat my concern as a teacher is what

is the burden of change especially for primarycolleagues without support/ CPD

20:12:15 Morelearnmore

RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat begins in 15 mins. Topic:'Your reaction to the draft National Curriculum'. Beginsat 8pm hosted by @ICTmagic

20:12:21 apf102

RT @SaveOur_History: #ukedchat our FB group 'saveschool history' is a hub for opposition to the history draft- join us here: http://t. ...

20:12:21 samschoolstuff.@ukedchat We are a sponsored academy, all

indications are we will continue to follow NC. #ukedchat20:12:22 Teachric

The beauty of the new curriculum is that it leave a lot forsubject leaders to interpret #ukedchat


@tmeeky true but may be easier to do with othersubjects than history - Gove's stated obj. was to freeteachers to teach! #ukedchat


@Animate2Educate #ukedchat totally agree, hence anew nc not required - focus should be on pedagogy notcontent

20:12:54 DebbieHolley1#ukedchat free school policy herehttp://t.co/zn082A1VAQ

20:13 danielharvey9

@Animate2Educate @thought_weavers#ukedchatToo many narrow minded #slt would not know what todo here #toomanyofthemoutthere

20:13:06 PeterSpencer88

@ukedchat Has Gove made it so bad to force schoolsto convert? Or does he really believe this is what kidsneed to know? #ukedchat

20:13:06 jotregenza

RT @ICTmagic: What parts of the outgoing curriculumwould you like to keep in the new curriculum?#ukedchat

20:13:09 fod3

@michaelt1979 My only concern is the expectation toread two whole Shakespeare texts with low abilitystudents. #ukedchat


RT @SaveOur_History: #ukedchat our FB group 'saveschool history' is a hub for opposition to the history draft- join us here: http://t. ...

20:13:17 jotregenza RT @ukedchat: Primary Curriculum changes - A brief

summary of primary changes ready for #ukedchat -

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http://t.co/sQ3JHMFVB8

20:13:19 thejollyteacherMy historian wife used to focus on facts but is now moreskills focused is that same for others? #ukedchat


#ukedchat How often does the average teacher actually

refer to the NC document. Ideas of teachers notgovernment is the way forward!

20:13:22 dukkhaboy

@GuardianTeach of course. Today i taught a lesson ontheft,based on an episode of #thesimpsons pupils wereTHINKING throughout #ukedchat

20:13:32 ICTmagic

Do we think the 2014 introduction is adequate time forschools to change & staff to acquire new skills?#ukedchat


RT @aknill: #ukedchat my concern as a teacher is what

is the burden of change especially for primarycolleagues without support/ CPD

20:13:37 ukedchat@mberry But it didn't allow for advancements intechnology, although I take your point. #ukedchat

20:13:45 aknill

#ukedchat the geography proposals are a framework wecan work with. history is overly prescriptive. ICT at KS3needs a different skill set.


RT @thought_weavers: @Animate2Educate #ukedchattotally agree, hence a new nc not required - focusshould be on pedagogy not content

20:13:52 SheliBB


20:13:53 primary_science@ICTmagic the massive amount of content makes itunmanageable #ukedchat

20:13:57 MrHTabc123

#ukedchat if we must be sequential with history howabout in reverse, youngest children dealing with mostrecent history?


RT @thought_weavers: @Animate2Educate #ukedchattotally agree, hence a new nc not required - focusshould be on pedagogy not content

20:14:02 ukedchat @Teachric And OfSTED! #ukedchat

20:14:21 ukedchat

RT @ICTmagic: Do we think the 2014 introduction isadequate time for schools to change & staff toacquire new skills? #ukedchat

20:14:24 aknill

#ukedchat what are the implications for schools workingtogether when as academies we're encouraged to workalone?

20:14:27 Teachric @ICTmagic absolutely not and herein lies the rub Martin

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20:14:31 lizzie_h18

@ICTmagic @fod3 #ukedchat sp+list is essential tolearning for young children. Listening to them is amassive part of teaching

20:14:43 fod3 @ICTmagic AT GCSE we have to wait for the examboards response. #ukedchat

20:14:45 DrHuxTM

Sorry I work in an Academy, one of those places thatcan choose its curriculum...what's this NationalCurriculum thingy again??? #UKEdChat

20:14:49 EYTalking@ukedchat join the Early Years community Tuesdayevening's 8:00pm - 9:00pm #EYTalking #ukedchat

20:14:49 michaelt1979

RT @MrHTabc123: #ukedchat if we must be sequentialwith history how about in reverse

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