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The Lamb shift, `proton The Lamb shift, `proton charge radius puzzle' etc.charge radius puzzle' etc.
Savely KarshenboimSavely Karshenboim
Pulkovo Observatory (Pulkovo Observatory (ГАО РАНГАО РАН) (St. Petersburg)) (St. Petersburg)& & Max-Planck-Institut fMax-Planck-Institut für Quantenoptik (Garching)ür Quantenoptik (Garching)
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Outline
Different methods to determine the proton charge radius spectroscopy of hydrogen (and deuterium) the Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen electron-proton scattering
The proton radius: the state of the art electric charge radius magnetic radius
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Outline
Different methods to determine the proton charge radius spectroscopy of hydrogen (and deuterium) the Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen electron-proton scattering
The proton radius: the state of the art electric charge radius magnetic radius
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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The proton charge radius: spectroscopy vs. empiric fits Spectroscopy of
hydrogen (and deuterium)
The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
Spectroscopy produces a model-independent result, but involves a lot of theory and/or a bit of modeling.
Electron-proton scattering
Studies of scattering need theory of radiative corrections, estimation of two-photon effects; the result is to depend on model applied to extrapolate to zero momentum transfer.
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Lamb shift measurements in microwave Lamb shift used to be
measured either as a splitting between 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 (1057 MHz)
2s1/2
2p3/2
2p1/2
Lamb shift:1057 MHz(RF)
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Lamb shift measurements in microwave Lamb shift used to be
measured either as a splitting between 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 (1057 MHz) or a big contribution into the fine splitting 2p3/2 – 2s1/2 11 THz (fine structure).
2s1/2
2p3/2
2p1/2
Fine structure:11 050 MHz(RF)
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Lamb shift measurements in microwave & optics Lamb shift used to be
measured either as a splitting between 2s1/2 and 2p1/2 (1057 MHz) or a big contribution into the fine splitting 2p3/2 – 2s1/2 11 THz (fine structure).
However, the best result for the Lamb shift has been obtained up to now from UV transitions (such as 1s – 2s).
2s1/2
2p3/2
2p1/2
1s1/2
RF
1s – 2s:UV
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Two-photon Doppler-free spectroscopy of hydrogen atom
Two-photon spectroscopy
is free of linear Doppler effect.
That makes cooling relatively not too important problem.
All states but 2s are broad because of the E1 decay.
The widths decrease with increase of n.
However, higher levels are badly accessible.
Two-photon transitions double frequency and allow us to go higher.
v, k , - k
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Spectroscopy of hydrogen (and deuterium)Two-photon spectroscopy
involves a number of levels strongly affected by QED.
In “old good time” we had to deal only with 2s Lamb shift.
Theory for p states is simple since their wave functions vanish at r=0.
Now we have more data and more unknown variables.
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Spectroscopy of hydrogen (and deuterium)Two-photon spectroscopy
involves a number of levels strongly affected by QED.
In “old good time” we had to deal only with 2s Lamb shift.
Theory for p states is simple since their wave functions vanish at r=0.
Now we have more data and more unknown variables.
The idea is based on theoretical study of
(2) = L1s – 23× L2s which we understand
much better since any short distance effect vanishes for (2).
Theory of p and d states is also simple.
That leaves only two variables to determine: the 1s Lamb shift L1s & R∞.
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Spectroscopy of hydrogen (and deuterium)Two-photon spectroscopy
involves a number of levels strongly affected by QED.
In “old good time” we had to deal only with 2s Lamb shift.
Theory for p states is simple since their wave functions vanish at r=0.
Now we have more data and more unknown variables.
The idea is based on theoretical study of
(2) = L1s – 23× L2s which we understand
much better since any short distance effect vanishes for (2).
Theory of p and d states is also simple.
That leaves only two variables to determine: the 1s Lamb shift L1s & R∞.
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Spectroscopy of hydrogen (and deuterium)
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Lamb shift (2s1/2 – 2p1/2) in the hydrogen atom
There are data on a number of transitions, but most of their measurements are correlated.
Uncertainties: Experiment: 2 ppm QED: < 1 ppm Proton size: 2 ppm
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H & D spectroscopy
Complicated theory Some contributions
are not cross checked
More accurate than experiment
No higher-order nuclear structure effects
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H & D spectroscopy
Complicated theory Some contributions
are not cross checked
More accurate than experiment
No higher-order nuclear structure effects
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H & D spectroscopy
Complicated theory Some contributions
are not cross checked
More accurate than experiment
No higher-order nuclear structure effects
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Proton radius from hydrogen
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Optical determination of the Rydberg constant and proton radius
Ry ELamb(H,1s)
H, 1s-2s H, 2s-8s
QEDRp
RyELamb(D,1s)
D, 1s-2s D, 2s-8s
QEDRp
ELamb(H,1s) H, 1s-2s
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Optical determination of the Rydberg constant and proton radius
Ry ELamb(H,1s)
H, 1s-2s H, 2s-8s
QEDRp
RyELamb(D,1s)
D, 1s-2s D, 2s-8s
QEDRp
ELamb(H,1s) H, 1s-2s
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Optical determination of the Rydberg constant and proton radius
Ry ELamb(H,1s)
H, 1s-2s H, 2s-8s
QEDRp
RyELamb(D,1s)
D, 1s-2s D, 2s-8s
QEDRp
ELamb(H,1s) H, 1s-2s
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Proton radius from hydrogen
24 transitions22 partial values of Rp & R∞
1s-2s in H and D (MPQ) +22 transitions- 5 optical experiments - 3 labs- 3 rf experiments
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Proton radius from hydrogen
1s-2s in H and D (MPQ)+10 [most accurate] transitions- 2 optical experiments - 1 lab
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Proton radius from hydrogen
1s-2s in H and D (MPQ)+10 [most accurate] transitions- 2 optical experiments - 1 lab
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The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen Used to believe: since
a muon is heavier than an electron, muonic atoms are more sensitive to the nuclear structure.
Not quite true. What is What is importantimportant: scaling of various contributions with m.
Scaling of contributions nuclear finite size nuclear finite size
effects: effects: ~ m3; standard Lamb-shift
QED and its uncertainties: ~ m;
width of the 2p state: ~ m;
nuclear finite size effects for HFS: ~ m3
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The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen: experiment
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The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen: experiment
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The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen: experiment
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Theoretical summary
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The Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen: theory
Discrepancy ~ 0.300 meV.
Only few contributions are important at this level.
They are reliableThey are reliable..
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Theory of H and H:
Rigorous Ab initio Complicated Very accurate Partly not cross
checked Needs no higher-
order proton structure
Rigorous Ab initio Transparent Very accurate Cross checked Needs higher-order
proton structure (much below the discrepancy)
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Theory of H and H:
Rigorous Ab initio Complicated Very accurate Partly not cross
checked Needs no higher-
order proton structure
Rigorous Ab initio Transparent Very accurate Cross checked Needs higher-order
proton structure (much below the discrepancy)
The th uncertainty is much below the level of the discrepancy
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Spectroscopy of H and H:
Many transitions in different labs.
One lab dominates. Correlated. Metrology involved. The discrepancy is
much below the line width.
Sensitive to various systematic effects.
One experiment A correlated
measurement on D No real metrology Discrepancy is of few
line widths. Not sensitive to
many perturbations.
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H vs H:
H: muchmuch more sensitive to the Rp term: less accuracy in theory and experiment is
required;easier for estimation of systematic effects
etc. H experiment: easy to see a signal, hard
to interpret. H experiment: hard to see a signal, easy
to interpret.
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Elastic electron-proton scattering
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Elastic electron-proton scattering
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Electron-proton scattering:new Mainz experiment
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Electron-proton scattering: evaluations of `the World data’
Mainz:
JLab (similar results also from Ingo Sick)
Charge radius:
JLab
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Electron-proton scattering: evaluations of `the World data’
Mainz:
JLab (similar results also from Ingo Sick)
Charge radius:
JLab
The consistency of the results on the proton charge radius is good, but not sufficient.
The agreement is required betweenthe form factors, which is an open question for the moment.
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Electron-proton scattering: evaluations of `the World data’
Mainz:
JLab (similar results also from Ingo Sick)
Charge radius:
Magnetic radius does not agreeMagnetic radius does not agree!!
JLab
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Certainty of the derivatives
f/t – we can find it in a model independent way if we have accurate data and an estimation of the higher-order Taylor terms.
Data are roughly with 1%.
Rp is wanted
within 1%. We need fits! We can use fits
only if we know the exact shape.
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Certainty of the derivatives
f/t – we can find it in a model independent way if we have accurate data and estimation of the higher-order Taylor terms.
Data are roughly with 1%.
Rp is wanted
within 1%. We need fits! We can use fits
only if we know the exact shape.
Narrowing the area increases the uncertainty:e.g.:Hill and Paz, 2010Kraus et al., 2014
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Certainty of the derivatives
f/t – we can find it in a model independent way if we have accurate data and estimation of the higher-order Taylor terms.
Data are roughly with 1%.
Rp is wanted
within 1%. We need fits! We can use fits
only if we know the exact shape.
Fifty years:•data improved (quality, quantity);•accuracy of radius stays the same;•systematic effects: increasing the complicity of the fit.
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Certainty of the derivatives
f/t – we can find it in a model independent way if we have accurate data and estimation of the higher-order Taylor terms.
Data are roughly with 1%.
Rp is wanted
within 1%. We need fits! We can use fits
only if we know the exact shape.
Fifty years:•data improved (quality, quantity);•accuracy of radius stays the same;•systematic effects: increasing the complicity of the fit.
1. The earlier fits are inconsistent 1. The earlier fits are inconsistent with the later data.with the later data.2. The later fits have more parameters 2. The later fits have more parameters and are more uncertain, while applyingand are more uncertain, while applying to the earlier data.to the earlier data.
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Analytic properties: is that important? The form factors
are measured in a certaincertain space-like region.
The empiricempiric fits present the form factors for all the momenta.
The form factors fits in the time-liketime-like region are wrong.
Their analyticanalytic properties are inappropriate.
Their behavior at largerlarger momenta is unreasonable.
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Analytic properties: is that important? The form factors
are measured in a finite space-like region.
The fits present the form factors for all the momenta.
The form factors fits in time-like region are wrong.
Their analytic properties are inappropriate.
Their behavior at larger momenta is unreasonable.
`Dispersion fits’ always produce smaller values of the radius, but they usually have bad 2.
Mergell et al., 1995; Belushkin et all, 2007, Lorenz et al., 2012; Adamuscin et al., 2012
Is it possible to produce a fit with a good Is it possible to produce a fit with a good value of value of 22 and consistent with our knowledge and consistent with our knowledge about the imaginary part ?about the imaginary part ?
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Asymptotic behavior: is that important? The form factors
are measured in a finite space-like region.
The fits present the form factors for all the momenta.
The form factors fits in time-like region are wrong.
Their analytic properties are inappropriate.
Their behavior at high momenta is unreasonable.
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Asymptotic behavior: is that important? The form factors
are measured in a finite space-like region.
The fits presents the form factors for all the momenta.
The form factors in time-like region are wrong.
Their analytic properties are inappropriate.
Their behavior at high momenta is unreasonable.
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Convergenceradius |q2|=(2m) 2
e-p data
q2
branch cut(2 continuum)
0.1 GeV20
Key areafor G’(0)
Analytic properties and the data
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Different methods to determine the proton charge radius
spectroscopy of hydrogen (and deuterium)
the Lamb shift in muonic hydrogen
electron-proton scattering
Comparison:
JLab
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Present status of proton radius: three convincing results
charge radiuscharge radius and the Rydberg constant: a strong discrepancy.
If I would bet: systematic effects in
hydrogen and deuterium spectroscopy
error or underestimation of uncalculated terms in 1s Lamb shift theory
Uncertainty and model-independence of scattering results.
magnetic radiusmagnetic radius:a strong discrepancy
between different evaluation of the data and maybe between the data
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Present status of proton radius: three convincing results
charge radiuscharge radius and the Rydberg constant: a strong discrepancy.
If I would bet: systematic effects in
hydrogen and deuterium spectroscopy
error or underestimation of uncalculated terms in 1s Lamb shift theory
Uncertainty and model-independence of scattering results.
magnetic radiusmagnetic radius:a strong discrepancy
between different evaluation of the data and maybe between the data
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Proton radius determination as a probe of the Coulomb law
hydrogen
e-p
q ~ 1 – 4 keV
muonic hydrogen
-p
q ~ 0.35 MeV
scattering
e-p
q from few MeV to 1 GeV
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What is next (the short-term scale)? new evaluations of scattering data (world’s new evaluations of scattering data (world’s
and MAMI’s)and MAMI’s) new spectroscopic experiments on new spectroscopic experiments on
hydrogen and deuteriumhydrogen and deuterium evaluation of data on the Lamb shift in evaluation of data on the Lamb shift in
muonic deuterium (from PSI) and new value muonic deuterium (from PSI) and new value of the Rydberg constantof the Rydberg constant
systematic check on muonic hydrogen and deuterium theory
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Where we are
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What’s new?
Hydrogen: A preliminary
MPQ result on 2s-4p is consistent with H.
Muonic atoms: D is consistent
with H (PSI) + isotopic H-D 1s-2s (MPQ).
Scattering data: Jlab’s people and
I. Sick state that world data and MAMI’s are not quite consistent.
More studies of different shapes (conformal mapping etc.)
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What’s new?
Hydrogen: A preliminary
MPQresult on 2s-4p is consistent with H.
Muonic atoms: D is consistent
with H (PSI) + isotopic H-D 1s-2s (MPQ_.
Scattering data: Jlab’s people and
I. Sick state that world data and MAMI’s are not quite consistent.
More studies of different shapes (conformal mapping etc.)
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Conferences
Precision physics Precision physics and fundamental and fundamental constants (FFK)constants (FFK)
Oct., 12-16, 2015
Budapest
Precision physics of Precision physics of simple atoms simple atoms (PSAS)(PSAS)
May, 22-26, 2016
Jerusalem