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Panel on Disclosure - Part 1 of 2: Interview transcript

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Barcelona Exopolitics Speakers Panel on Disclosure23 July 2009 - Part 1 of 2

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BILL RYAN (BR): So this is Bill Ryan here, and

KERRY CASSIDY (KC): Kerry Cassidy...

BR: ...from Project Camelot and we are honored, genuinely honored, and

privileged to have been invited here to the Exopolitics Summit in


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Barcelona. And the date today, somebody, is?

NICK POPE (NP): Twenty-third of July, 2009.

BR: Excellent. [laughter] This is the guy from the Ministry ofDefence, who always knows what day it is and whats going on. Thankyou very much, Nick.

What we are doing here is were gathering the opportunity to talk withmost of the speakers, who are appearing here this weekend on Spainsfirst Exopolitics Summit. This is a formal/informal gathering, ameeting of great minds, considerable experience between us, I think. I

wont add up the number of years -- it might be embarrassing.

Were just going to talk about the general subject of Disclosure andjust see, once we kick that ball off, where it might go in the nexthour and a half. Kerry...

KC: [laughs] I would like to say that we are going to do a transitionabout an hour and half into this, onto live radio. So I just want tosay that caveat right at the beginning. On top of it, we decided wewould start out with introductions, so were going to go around thetable and do some brief introductions of all the speakers here. I want

to start off with Paola, Paola Harris.

PAOLA HARRIS (PH): My names Paola Harris. Im a little old Americanjournalist. Ive been working in this field for 30 years.

I began working with Dr. J. Allen Hynek, astronomer, researcher,professor at Northwestern University, because he was a consultant to

Steven Spielberg for Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And so I sawthe film and I went to see him and he was my teacher for 6 years. Iknew this was real, because I started with a scientist who was working

in this field.

I just want to say that I graduated because Im a teacher; I alsohave a Masters in education from ecology to what I call Exopolitics.And my definition of Exopolitics is: the formal academic study of theUFO phenomena and contact and its political and sociologicalimplications for the planet.

So now I am mainly in that field and Ive written three books, thelast one All Of The Above, which talks about possible protocols ofExopolitics. Protocols -- things like we need to look at a universaland planetary involvement. This is not an American problem; its not aFrench problem; its not a German problem -- it is a planetaryproblem.

So thats where Im coming from. That will be my focus, that will bemy talk, and that is what Im interested in.

BR: Paola, thank you very much. Dr. Brian OLeary...

Dr. BRIAN OLEARY (BOL): My name is Brian OLeary. In 1967 I was

appointed to go to Mars by NASA, as an astronaut. Then, when the U.S.got involved in Vietnam, I became a free energy activist and a peaceactivist.


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The contact experience and the whole UFO phenomenon, to me, ushers inmany more things that can help us with our own problems here on theplanet.

My principle activity over the last several years has been to visitthe laboratories of some of the best and brightest so-called

zero-point and other breakthrough clean energy concepts.

My latest book, The Energy Solution Revolution, talks about thepolitics and the social implications of a breakthrough energy economy.

I think that the energy and because of the suppression of freeenergy technologies, which has been rampant, and the high danger ofdoing this kind of work makes it extremely symbiotic with the wholequestion of UFO/ET disclosure.

So to me Exopolitics means going outside the box of normal inquiry and

being able to embrace those technologies which can truly create asustainable future for planet Earth.

BR: Wonderful.

STEPHEN BASSETT (SB): You know, Brian, they are sending people to Mars

now, so you still have a shot.

[laughter]

KC: And, from what we understand, all you do is walk into a sort of,like, elevator or jumproom to Mars, and so theres no flight

actually involved.

BOL: Well that sure beats chemical rockets.

BR: You bet.

KC: So, thats another story. And now...

BR: [to Bob Dean] Do you know what? Id love to call you Dr. Bob Dean.I think we should start calling you Dr. Bob Dean.

BOB DEAN (BD): Call me anything you like, as long as Im not late fordinner.

KC: But didnt you say Sergeant Major?

BR: Command Sergeant Major.

SB: Command Sergeant Major.

KC: Okay.

BR: Bob, who are you? Tell the world. This is your chance.

BD: I have to stand up. I dont talk well sitting down.

BR: Very good.


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BD: You see, Im not an easy person to get along with, sometimes, bythe very nature of the fact that I retired as a Command SergeantMajor. We had a reputation, all of whom retired Command SergeantMajors have a reputation of being able to chew ass and take names, asthey used to say, [Kerry laughs] so I have no patience and I have notoleration for lies.

BR: Bob, thank you so much for that.

BD: So, I came out of the closet in 91. Ive been speaking openly andbluntly about this subject. And I want to say to you all who are herethat this is the greatest, most important subject in the history ofthe human race, because, essentially, it is the story of the humanrace.

Ladies and gentlemen, good friends, all of you -- we are not alone and

we have never been alone. We have had an intimate interrelationship

with advanced extraterrestrial intelligence from the beginning of ourhistory, and that interrelationship is still going on.

Im very gratified to be a part of this conference here in Barcelona.And I want to make it very clear to anyone whos interested is that Itake my hat off to the sponsors of this program for having the courage

to do what theyre doing here.

This is important, so pay attention, and listen -- because you aintseen nothin yet! [laughter] Thank you.

BR: Bravo.

VOICE: Wow!

BR: Okay.

KC: Stephen Bassett...

BR: Following that, Steve, are you an angry man?

STEPHEN BASSETT (SB): Mm, not at the moment.

First and foremost, I think, its important that I say that I speakfor all of us, when I say that we have nothing against the perfectlyfine Canadian province of Newfoundland, and I look forward to goingthere someday and talking about Exopolitics. So, for youNewfoundlanders out there -- its okay, no problem.

Im Stephen Bassett. I founded the Paradigm Research Group in 1996 forone reason only to pursue the political resolution of the UFO issue.Thats it and thats all that Ive done for the last 13 years.

The science and the UFOlogy and the study of the sightings and allthat had gone about as far as it could, in my view, by then, and itwas clear that the government had a policy of withholding the truthand acknowledgement. So that had to be addressed.

In the early days, back then, 96, 97, we were looking for new terms,a new lexicon, and we talked about the politics of UFOs, which is kind


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KC: Well, I think, in the end, we can.

BR: Well, okay. Okay.

KC: All right? I think the next person that we need to introduce isDr. Michael Salla.

Dr. MICHAEL SALLA (MS): In 2001, I was a professor at a university inWashington, D.C. American University and I was teachinginternational politics. I had graduate-level classes.

I saw the video of the Disclosure Conference, the Disclosure ProjectPress Conference, and that really startled me. I just had no idea that

this kind of information was out there. Prior to that, I alwaysthought that extraterrestrial life was real, but, you know, some dayin the future, theyll contact us, and wow, the world will change.

So, when I saw that press conference, my world kind of really crumbled

in terms of how I understood international politics and what washappening in the world.

And so, one of the first things I did was I showed the pressconference video to a class. The class was on Theories of Conflict,Violence, and War and I showed it to the class, 25 graduate students;very progressive Liberal Arts students at American University. Ishowed them the press conference and then I said, you know: What doyou think?

And I asked the students: Well, line up in terms of... line up.Theres going to be a line on the extreme right. If you agree strongly

that this video is real, that you agree with that very strongly, thenget on the right. If you disagree strongly, then get on the left. Ifyoure kind of neutral, get in the middle.

So I asked them to separate themselves, where they fit in on thatline. And, of the 25 students, two agreed, one strongly; and onemoderately agreed that the video was real, that the testimonies werevalid; the other 23 were either strongly opposed or kind of neutralabout it.

That shocked me because, basically, what I was seeing was thatuniversity students werent ready to accept this information as real.They just came up with many of the standard responses: Well, theyremaking it up. How do we know its real? CNN would tell us if it werereal. So that was kind of an important eye-opener for me.

I found that the university administration was similarly not veryimpressed with this topic. So that led to my forced removal from theuniversity and Ive been studying Exopolitics ever since, which forme, really involves looking at three different processes, or threedifferent things.

Its looking at: What are the main actors, or the individuals,involved with the question of extraterrestrial life? So we looked at,say, the role of the presidents Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and so

forth how they dealt with this issue of extraterrestrial life.

The second is we look at the institutions. What are the main


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institutions that are being involved with this issue? So, straightaway, we come up with, say, the different intelligence departments,especially the CIA Counter-Intelligence, the National ReconnaissanceOffice [and] the NSA. So those are some of the institutions.

Then I looked at what are the processes involved here? Some of theprocesses are like maintaining secrecy, maintaining a psychological

warfare program to discredit, debunk this whole question in thegeneral public arena, and also funding these projects, which areoccurring behind the scenes.

So those are the questions and the issues that Im very interested in.Ive been doing this now for eight years and Im still learning andstill finding things to be amazed at. So, this is truly an amazingfield.

The more years you put into it, the more things that you have morequestions about. I havent yet reached that point where I feel thatIve understood the big picture.

BR: Thats right. The more you find out, the less you know. [laughs]Thank you. Alfred?

ALFRED WEBRE (AW): Thank you very much. As I was saying, Im afuturist, an activist, and a lawyer.

KC: Are you Doctor Alfred Webre?

AW: You know, I always think that the lawyers tried to get a phonyPhD? [Kerry laughs] Because I got an LLB and the Legal Associationthen changed all law degrees to JD. So, technically, are we lawyers --

doctors? Doctor? What do you think?

SD: Youre a Juris Doctor, which sounds even better.

AW: Yeah, Im a Juris Doctor, but I think that its kind of back door.[laughter] Thats kind of how I am. I always question things, and,well...

I think that Steve has really given sort of a contextual background to

what has happened over the first ten years of Exopolitics.

What Ive come here to this Summit to really talk about is the nextten or eleven years, and that is in terms of what the largerastronomical and cosmic cycles that will be occurring in an amazingsynchrony that will serve as motors or propellants of the process ofDisclosure, and more deeply, the process of a transformation of ourreality and the reality of all living things, I think, which includesanimals, plants, and minerals [laughs] according to some of you.

I just want to bring all that kind of cosmic consciousness here,because I think that that is really what Disclosure is about, and what

will fuel Disclosure will be an interactive elevation of theconsciousness of...

and I see a gentleman back there, who will remain nameless, who issaying: Yes!


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So, just very briefly, were talking about the solar cycle-24 from2009 to 2020, with solar maximum at 2012 to 2013. And, by the Index of

Human Excitability that goes back to 500 BC, we know that allrevolutions, wars, riots, and the fundamental fixing of things insociety happens during the solar maximum, which NASA tells us now is

in May of 2013.

So, in that general term, were in for some really dynamite stuff. Ifwe want to be changing agents in a positive way, nows the time to putout our agenda, as Dr. Bob Dean says. [laughter]

Another cycle is the cycle of the Matrix of Time Acceleration, whichDr. Carl Johan Calleman and Barbara Hand Clow, a colleague of mine who

lives in Vancouver, Canada, also, talk about. That is, where time isaccelerating, the rate of change is accelerating; the rate of ourconsciousness is accelerating.

And there will be, probably, according to this theory, 20 times asmuch change in the year 2011 as there was between 1999, when theInternet started, and the beginning of 2011. So thats the backdropfor how Disclosure can take place.

And, finally, there are the larger Galactic and cosmic cycles, sort of

the source of our thoughts; of our reality; of our DNA, as well; ofthe stars; the black hole at the center of our Galaxy most galaxieshave black holes and how it will be programming the other 97 percentof our junk DNA in the coming years, so that we can become morecapable of interacting and, therefore, things will be disclosed.

So I look forward to this process, and the process of the weekend.

BD: Very good.

BR: Thank you, Alfred. I just want to say here that this idea of anIndex of Human Excitability I just think thats such a wonderfulname, I just love it -- I take it very seriously; but, for me, itslike: How appropriate is that? How excitable are we all now? You know.

And wheres it going to go?

KC: Okay. Well, calm right down. [laughter]

BR: Oh, Im getting too excited.

KC: Youre getting too excited. And lets introduce

BR: Nick.

NICK POPE (NP): Okay, Im just plain Nick Pope -- no doctor, nothinglike that. My background is government, British government. I workedfor the Ministry of Defence for 21 years. I did about seven or eightdifferent jobs in that period and the one which has lead to me sitting

at this table is a job that I did from 1991 through to 1994, when Iwas responsible for researching and investigating the UFO phenomenonfor the British government.


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The brief was to look at the two or three hundred UFO sightings we had

each year to see whether they were already defense-significant, whichrather cleverly, in government terms, is something that we didntactually ever define. Perhaps thats a point for later.

Anyway, my views on this were that most of these things, of course,turned out to be misidentifications. There were plenty of cases wherethese things were seen by pilots and police officers, where they weretracked on radar, performing speeds and maneuvers which seemed to gosignificantly ahead of anything in our own inventory, includingprototype aircraft and drones.

So my position on the UFO phenomenon is that, I think, whatever it is and Im not one of these people that have a neat answer -- Im sure,perhaps, there arent any neat answers in this business. I think thereare probably lots of different things going on, lots of overlap.

But my position is, whatever the nature of this phenomenon, orphenomena, I believe it raises some interesting and important defense,

national security and their safety issues. Other issues too, whichothers better qualified than me here are going to discuss on thesocietal implications, the sociological implications. Thats probablyless my field.

What Im here to really talk about at this conference is somethingwhich has been going for about a year and a half now the Britishgovernments ongoing program to declassify and release, to theNational Archives, the entire archive of British UFO files going backto the 50s and coming into the present day. So its interesting times

in the UK and its been a story all around the world.

I left the Ministry of Defence in 2006. I now work as a freelancejournalist, a media commentator, not just on the unexplained, but onconspiracy theories, some political and some defense issues. Thatsme.

BR: Very good. I like it.

BD: May I ask a question, please?

NP: Sure.

BD: The material that has been released so far and I assume youvechecked it, looked at it, read it is there anything in there of anyreal substance? [Kerry laughs]

NP: Yes, there is. I think what there isnt Let me answer that inreverse. There isnt and I dont mean this in a disparaging way, butits a neat sound bite that I have used before there isnt aspaceship-in-a-hanger smoking gun.

That said, there are plenty of those sorts of cases that I wasmentioning where things have been tracked on radar performing somequite remarkable speeds, plenty of police cases, plenty of military

cases.

The one that really stood out, and I discussed it on Fox News, amongst


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others, was the case of Milton Torres, the fighter pilot who, in 1957,

whilst a United States Air Force pilot posted over to the UK, wasordered to shoot down a UFO over the mainland UK. So thats a casethat Im going to be discussing in some detail at this conference.

PH: I want to add that I interviewed, as a journalist, Milton Torres.This goes to show that, yes, he was ordered to shoot down a UFO in1957, so there are shoot-down orders.

But what I saw on a human level, and this is part of Exopolitics also,

is that he was very emotional about telling the story. He told it atthe X-Conference with Nick at Stephen Bassetts X-Conference in April.

But as a journalist, when I interviewed him, he was very emotional,because his father had died two years ago, and he had kept this secret

for so long. He began to cry and was very emotional about it.

These people keep these secrets so long, until the Ministry of Defence

released these files. Its a huge burden, and there are so many ofthem. I think more countries should release their files.

BR: And its happening.

KC: Absolutely.

BR: Its happening.

KC: Well, Disclosure... Thats what its all about.

BD: Did the Ministry of Defence ever, ever take a position on PeterHorsleys memoir, where he said that he spent an afternoon having teawith an extraterrestrial? And Peter Horsley was a retired AirMarshall.

NP: Indeed. The Ministry of Defence, as far as I can tell, made someefforts to, shall we say, brief against him. In other words, a quoteended up in the media which was and Im doing this from memory --but, it was something like: How unfortunate that a man, when he wasposted to Strike Command at that level and had his finger on thenuclear button, has been seeing aliens. So, behind the scenes, theywere disparaging him.

BD: Isnt that sad.

NP: It is sad and its disrespectful.

KC: It is disrespectful.

NP: Of course, I mean, the other important thing is, of course, thatperson, as is often the case well, always the case in this situation didnt give their name. They were just listed as a defense source.

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So, I stopped working for television when I came across a kind of free

energy device, made a TV report about it, and they wouldnt let mereport on it; they never actually broadcast that.

Then a couple of years later, I also came across the Disclosure

Project Press Conference on the Internet and that kind of triggered my

curiosity again in this field because I thought: How the [laughs]

Its impossible that, in the mass media, you always hear about weatherballoons or whatever, and then theres these highly-credible militarywitnesses and insiders -- all of you just sitting here at this table-- how is it possible that Ive never heard about that?

So I thought about what could I do? So I founded Exopolitics Germany,which is, as Stephen said, an umbrella for all kinds of activities inthis field, which are necessary to bring this issue forward. Its such

a huge field; its physical evidence, cover-up [and] Disclosure.

But, what Im interested in -- and thats my personal interest in this-- is the fact that these craft appear and disappear, shows that ourreality is obviously much greater than what we ever thought it is.Its not just three dimensions, plus linear time. No, its much morethan that. And I wanted to find out: What is it?

And, if these extraterrestrial visitors master these dimensions --these superior dimensions, or supplementary dimensions, or however you

want to call them -- what does that mean for their states ofconsciousness? How are they thinking? What kind of consciousness level

must they have to be able to adopt to to master these dimensions?And what will it mean for us to understand how they think?

Or, to put it in another way, what would be the next level ofevolution in human consciousness? Because we might assume that wewould also come across these other dimensions sooner or later. So,that is what Im actually interested in most.

But what really interests me the most is the consciousness thing andIm strongly convinced that everything is actually, in the end, aquestion of consciousness. [to Brian] Yes, please.

BOL: Yeah, I was just going to say that: Yes, the more recentexperiments that are being done among humans is the incredible powerof positive intention; that people coming together in groups with anintention can actually create that reality.

Its interesting that you have these two parallel tracks going on. Oneis science, very good science, being done here on the Earth byuniversity scientists and, at the same time, you have theET-UFO-Disclosure issue, and the two are very intertwined, because the

ET/UFO phenomenon just points so clearly towards this.

We need to know this and we need all the help we can get from ouroff-plant/on-planet people that are going against the grain of BlackOps, and going against the grain of these horrible agendas, that we


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can actually heal the planet; we can have a sustainable future.

So, from my own point of view, Im just very grateful to be here amongyou and to be able to interact in this way.

BR: Thats wonderful, Brian. Thank you so much. Let me have a go here,[to Kerry] then Ill let you have the last word.

KC: Absolutely.

BR: For me, having this kind of conference sometimes feels like agroup of fishermen on a little island in the Pacific Ocean who aresitting around a campfire trying to figure out whether theres anyoneelse in the world. And what are these funny, shiny things that theysee up in the air? Do you believe that I saw this thing up in the sky?

Its like: What is that thing? Is that real, or what?

Our level of sophistication in asking these questions may not come

close to the level of sophistication thats needed in order to get theanswers. This is a bridge over, I think, into the world ofExopolitics.

Because, while those islanders around this campfire in the SouthPacific might be arguing with each other about whether theyre allalone in the world and what are these metal things that some peoplesay that they see in the sky, what were really interested in is assuming that there are other people in the world and assuming thatthey do fly around in these metal things in the sky what are theiragendas?

What are they doing with the world? What are they doing with our

world? What is it that they might be doing that we might need to knowabout on our little island? What might be their agendas for us? Whatsit all about, and who are we, and how did we get here in the firstplace?

And if we look at the political implications of that, the questionsare so enormous and so far beyond the questions that one might get in I dont know in a media article about: Is it possible that alienscould really exist?

Its like, come on! This is a given! But who are they? Where are theyfrom? When are they from? What are they doing? Whats our place in theuniverse and what do we need to know in order to understand thesethings?

What do our own governors and politicians and military intelligencespecialists know that we are not being told? And why are we not beingtold?

I believe that the Exopolitics movement is trying to speak to thoseissues and this is one of the directions in which, I think, that thiswhole conversation would like to go.

Before I introduce my colleague, Kerry Cassidy, I want to say thatseveral people here have talked about Steven Greers Disclosure

Project Press Conference and I remember exactly where I was when thathappened.


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this topic.

BR: Im supposed to talk about this topic? Okay.

What Pete Peterson told us, on camera, is that he had heard fromsomebody who had already booked the time with the networks, that there

is to be a planned Disclosure towards the end of this year byPresident Obama, who will confirm the reality of contact with four orfive or six -- we dont quite know the number -- friendly ET races.

That was what he was prepared to say on record. Now, this is the kindof thing that Stephen Bassett has been waiting for, for the last 13years, or longer...

SB: It seems like 30 years, actually, Bill.

BR: ...and what youve been saying on record, that Obama is going tobe the Disclosure President.

Now, maybe none of us should hold our breaths, because its quite along way to hold our breath until the end of the year. And Petersonwas also anxious to say that, just because its planned, it doesntmean its going to happen. But we believe him when he tells us that,at the moment, this is being slated.

There are all kinds of reasons why this might be true. Because, asStephen has pointed out, in his many, many on-record comments aboutall of this, America is under quite some pressure to disclose, because

how embarrassing would it be for them if some other little tin-potcountry like... Great Britain! [comments, laughter] Or France!

[laughter, comments, everyone talking at once]

KC: Okay, before we get into name-calling, I think we should startoff, on the question of Disclosure, knowing what our recentwhistleblower was talking about.

Could you talk about how this affects your view and we want to hearfrom everybody on whether you think this is possibly going tohappen, whether you think its not going to happen and why; and alsowhat are the implications if it does?

BD: May I?

BR: What are the implications for Exopolitics if it does? And how does

Exopolitics respond, etcetera?

BD: Its been my observation that, when you get 25 people into a room,you have 25 separate visions of what disclosure really means.

KC: Mm-hmm.

BD: And my point is this: I think Disclosure is underway and has beenunderway for quite a while.

I do not believe that youre going to have Obama getting on nationaltelevision and saying: Gee whiz, guys, weve got some news for you.


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[Kerry laughs] Were not alone. Weve been visited by guys from otherstar systems and other planets. Whoopee!

And everybody gets excited, you know. They all run to the door to getit on the evening news.

Thats not the way its going to happen. Now, thats my view, and Ill

be the first to admit that it could happen that way, although I doubtit. [Kerry laughs]

But you know, you cannot come out on TV and say: Oh, lookee! Weveknown this for years. Weve kept it from you because we didnt thinkyou could deal with it, but now were going to level with you and tellyou the truth. Isnt that nice?

BR: Okay.

BD: Its like opening Pandoras Box.

BR: This is where we start to get some really interesting reactionsfrom people. Already people are leaning forward in their seats because

they want to

BD: Youre not going to get a Disclosure like that. Recognize that itis underway. Its taking place. Its been underway for some time andits the form of subliminal education.

When I made a presentation some time back at Laughlin, Nevada, I spoke

about The Three Stevens and the Apocalypse and this one... [indicating

Stephen Bassett]

SB: I was the Apocalypse. [laughter]

BD: this was one of the Three Stevens that I spoke about StevenGreer, Stephen Bassett, and Steven Spielberg.

BR: Mm-hm.

BD: And I also gave the definition of the Greek word apocalypse, which

is not at all what most fundamentalists think it is, that of the FourHorsemen riding... what is it?

AW: Armageddon.

BD: War, famine, plague, pestilence, and all that. The Greek wordsimply means the disclosure, the unveiling, and the revealing. Really.

Thats been underway now for over 20 years, and Steven Spielberg hasplayed a major role in that...

KC: Absolutely.

BD: ...with his movies, and that TV special he did was dynamite,

really. Was it Taken?

KC/PH: Taken.


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BD: Yeah.

BR: Taken.

BD: That was so filled with real truth

KC: Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

BD: that I would like for them to run it again, and maybe they will.But youre in the midst of Disclosure, my friends, and its happeningright around you every day.

BR: I want to ask... Michael Salla wants to jump in.

KC: I dont think anyone would disagree with that.

BR: Michael wants to jump.

KC: I think wed all agree; we are part of Disclosure.

BR: Michael wants to jump in.

KC: But Stephen was supposed to have a chance.

SB: No, no, no. Michael can jump in any time he wants. I always deferto Michael -- that way I keep getting asked back to Hawaii after hisconferences. [laughter]

KC: Im deferring to Michael!

MS: I have an idea as to what might be released at the end of this

year. One of the things to keep in mind is: What does the governmentknow about this?

One of the things that I think is very important is that, in 1969,there was [a] memorandum released by a Brigadier General called theBolender Memo, and that basically said that UFO reports are separatedin terms of their national security implications. Those that werentvery significant went into the Blue Book system, and we know that Blue

Book ended in 1969.

Those that had significance in terms of national security went intothe cIrvis system, which is The Communications Instructions forReporting Vital Intelligence Sightings, and that went into a separatebody for study and analysis, because it had national securityimplications.

So you have two bodies of information concerning UFOs those that arekind of like just the sightings that are recorded by radar that became

part of the Blue Book system and were eventually released in 69 or upto 69; and those that concerned more significant events, such ascrashes of UFO disks, that went into the CIRVIS system.

So, eventually, where did all of these reports end up?

I believe that the CIRVIS reports went into the archives held byvarious corporations that have been studying these files for reverse


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engineering applications, for then contracting out to the militaryservices that might want to use some of this technology. And the other

stuff that didnt have national security implications just becameavailable through the NGO [Non-Governmental Organizations].

So what is going to be released at the end of this year? I think the

key is that what you mention by Dr. Pete Peterson was, you said up tosix races.

Well, I have a kind of memory about whos talked about up to sixraces. In 1977, there was a Congressional Research Study done that was

exploring the question of UFOs: Whats out there?

It was President Carter who asked for this to be conducted, because he

asked the CIA to be briefed on UFOs and he was told: No Bush said noto him. So he couldnt get his hands into what was actually in the

archives. He couldnt find out, but he asked the CongressionalResearch Study to go out and do a study on this.

This was done by Marcia Smith, who was a senior congressional scienceinvestigator. She went out and she came up with a report that betweentwo to six extraterrestrial civilizations have been visiting theEarth.

That report was not compartmentalized. That was something that DannySheehan says he has a copy of that. He never released it, but he has a

copy of that.

So I think, if Peterson is correct that towards the end of this year,were going to have a Disclosure, I think what that could be would besomething like Obama ordering the Congressional Research Service tomake this document publicly available. So youll have a CongressionalResearch Study becoming available saying that up to sixextraterrestrial races are visiting us.

BR: Is it possible that the ETs could force our hands by makingappearances that would require that there be a governmental response?

SB: Its possible but it would not be a good thing.

BR: It wouldnt be a good thing?

SB: No.

BR: Why is that?

SB: Therere basically two kinds... By the way, therere a number ofthings Id like to comment on at some point.

BR: Yeah.

KC: Well, no. Yeah, I think he

SB: Therere two basic kinds of Disclosure, okay? One isself-disclosure. Thats when the nations of the world go to theirpeople right? the ones that they have this social contract with to


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govern, and say: Look, this is what we know; weve got these beingshere; we know this about them; dont be alarmed, be alarmed, whateverand were going to try to inform you about this.

And then over a period of time, weeks, months, years, the public will,

Im sure, be quite interested in learning everything they can. That

honors the social contract. Thats the way governments are supposed tooperate; that will instill a certain... at least assure that thecontract is honored. Thats one kind.

The other kind is force majeure Disclosure. Thats where thegovernments keep going: I dont know anything; nothing here; nothinggoing on; nothing to see; no problem and, all of a sudden, big shipsstart appearing over the cities of the world.

Well, yeah, now the government has to come forward and say: Well guess

what? Yeah, theyre here and we didnt tell you. Everybody, of course,

is scared to death.

So, in that version, the social contracts of all the First Worldnations Third World nations have other things to worry about isbroken. You didnt tell us? You lied? Here they are. What are we goingto do?

And so, that is a much more traumatic, much more disruptive processthat will lead to a lot more problems. And its non-trivial; thedifference is quite profound.

Now, the ETs can do it anytime they want, but I cant worry aboutthat. Theyre going to do what theyre going to do. They dont tell me

what theyre up to. All I can do is try to help us get thisself-disclosure process out of the way.

BD: Id like to ask a question, if I may, and I want to ask it ofAlfred. Do you believe that this extraterrestrial presence should be a

national security issue?

AW: Well I believe yes and no. The yes part is, as researchers, wehave come across the fact that, de facto, it is. The extraterrestrialpresence is has been handled since at least the 50s on a nationalsecurity level.

For example, I worked with a researcher, Andrew Basiago, who in thecompany of his father, who was a CIA official, in 1981, at an AirForce base at Wright Air Force Base in New Jersey [Ed note:googlingWright AFB brings up Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio; googling NewJersey AFBs brings up McGuire AFB in Wrightstown, NJ] had a meetingwith three Martian astronauts from the intelligent civilization thatlives under the surface of Mars.

Now, they were there on a visit, on a coordinating visit, with theCentral Intelligence Agency, which means that, if this version istrue, since at least 1971 just that data-point alone the USCentral Intelligence Agency, and perhaps other intelligence agencies,

have some sort of a strategic alliance within our Solar System.

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have a whistleblower coming forth who is alleging this and who has alot of data to back it up. So that may be a Disclosure, the issue ofthe U.S. presence on Mars.

C I mean, Mr. Basiago in 1981 went to Mars via teleportation from aCIA teleportation launch room in El Segundo, California, in thecompany of then-CIA agent Courtney Hunt. These are all actual names.

And Virginia Olds, a lifetime CIA employee, called him in January of09 to confirm that the CIA knows that there is an intelligentcivilization under the surface of Mars. She said a million. I have noidea whether that is effective or not.

So the ship is leaking. And whatever the matter of national securitywas in 1971 that caused these astronauts to come and have theirliaison meeting, those matters should become public.

And, if there is an Obama announcement... I mean, Im just saying thisfrom the particular view that our organization is pressing Obama to

disclose the U.S. presence on Mars, and to disclose the strategicalliance that it has with the intelligent civilization on Mars.

BD: Now, do you believe the American public, just as an example, andthe public in the world at large, can deal with this information?

AW: Yes. And, you know, we have objective data for that. If we go tothe 2002 Roper Report, which is available on the Internet, there was a

specific question that asked in that way. And the answer came backthat 85 percent of the American public and, by extension, I wouldimagine most adult publics are congruent in terms of their religion,their personal values.

The question was: If the government announced that there was anextraterrestrial presence, how would this impact you?

And the answer was 85 percent: Its congruent with my religion, withmy personal values, and it would not ruffle any of those very much.

So we say: The time is now, the place is Mars.

Now, will the U.S. do it? They may not, because in certain ways,according to certain military plans or intelligence plans, itspossible the U.S. base on Mars, or bases on Mars, may be consideredone of the most strategic and important as a gateway to occupying theSolar System via teleportation. BR: Id just like to say, Alfred, forthe benefit of the cameras here and for anyone here who doesnt knowthis story, that Henry Deacon, who is here at this conference, who was

here in this room I cant see him right now -- is he there?

SB: No. He stepped out.

BR: He stepped out. Hes just coming in. Here he is.

KC: Okay, well... go ahead, yes.

BR: But we can talk about his testimony because weve already got iton the Camelot site and he supports this fully, as best as Im aware.The Mars base has got a population, a peak population of 670,000. They


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travel there...

KC: Give or take...

BR: Give or take a few. You know, it depends on what you call humanand what you dont. They look like us pretty much. People can commute

from this planet.

KC: Theyre known as the Anunnaki. Thats the name they go by.

BR: Some of them are. Some of them are the Anunnaki of old, the sameones Sitchin talked about, who are now in a couple of factions. Butthere is a wide range of races, basically, who all look like humans,just as we do.

And the travel is through... ah ... essentially, its teleportation.And this is one of the biggest secrets. Theyve got this huge basethere. Its a multi-functional base.

KC: Okay. But were allowing the panel to talk here.

BR: Exactly, but this is important information to put on camera.

KC: Yes. It is.

BR: And we just wanted to support you and we also want to supportAndrew Basiago who we also know. Were saying the guys not crazy.Weve got somebody here in this room who can support this story. Hedoesnt want to go on camera, but he can speak to the microphone, ifhe wants to.

KC: Okay. What about some of the other panelists here? What is yourpoint of view of Disclosure?

PH: First of all, what youre saying is probable, Alfred. I will saythis now, but I will also disagree as far as going to the public withGrade Twelve, when we havent done Grade One, Two, Three, Four, andFive of Disclosure yet, because for me, as a teacher...

And this is teaching the public, because they may be able toassimilate this information, but its hard to digest. It changed mywhole entire life.

When I met Hynek, [Ed note: Dr. Josef Allen Hynek] it took a long time

for me to understand that contact was real. I didnt want to believethat. I was a nuts and bolts UFOlogist. I wanted to look at the craft,

the sightings. I did not want to go to the contact part. That was very

hard for me, because it changed reality.

So I disagree with saying that the general public could swallow thisvery easily.

But I will support Alfred in this way: I did do an interview with

Pierre Giorgio Agina, who was Marconis partner, and while I was doingthat, he mentioned that Marconi, with the Vatican, had had Martiancontact is 1939.


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And I knew this material. I did not put it out there, because theimplications of the Vatican with Marconi and extraterrestrials arevery heavy, but I will talk about it today.

Im not sure that the general public can go there, if they haventunderstood the nature of Roswell; the nature of the cover-up; the

nature of visitation due to, maybe, our use of nuclear and the factthat all aliens are not Grays.

These are things that we need to get straightened away, because I cantell you from having lived in Europe, where aliens look like us -- the

Pleiadians, Billy Meier -- and that there are people in the universewho look like us.

And then I go and move to America, and on every single magnet,t-shirt, magazine and everything, I see only the stamp of the Graybeing. That is where they want us to remain in America, because, if

you believe that these extraterrestrials could be and the Martiansare some of them that look like us, you know, if you believe that --then it becomes very dangerous.

As Colonel Corso said: We werent afraid of the ExtraterrestrialBiological Entities he said at the Pentagon because they wereExtraterrestrial Biological Entities; we were deathly afraid of theircreators, or what could be walking in the halls of the Pentagon.

So this is very complex. Im not sure the general pubic, the wholeworld and everybody needs to have the whole, entire thing in one bigswallow, because its very difficult to digest.

BR: Yeah. Thank you, Paola. I want to bring in Brian here, because Ihave a sneaking idea that I know what hes going to say, but Ill askhim this question, which is: Have we got time to be precious aboutthis Disclosure issue? Do we have time on planet Earth, do youbelieve?

BOL: Well, were obviously at a huge crossroads here and Im aware ofthe psychological implications of the grieving process thats going onright now, that were grieving an old paradigm and transforming to anew. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, in some of her work, talks about thephases of grief.

Weve been in a state of mass denial, denial always being the firststage; the second stage is usually anger.

I had this bumper sticker for a while that said: The truth will setyou free, but first -- itll piss you off!

And I think that were poised on that. People are getting very angryand outraged by these cover-ups, so there has to be a process that,maybe, we can help engineer and I know, Steve, youve been involvedin this of creating some sort of negotiating where the transitionisnt too painful for any particular group.

And that we can get out of this swamp you referred to, Bill, the swamp

of deceit and lies and spin. Were, I think, in a situation now where,maybe, we can discuss with our adversaries. Obviously, the darkest


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much time do we have?

I happen to feel that the ecological condition of the Earth justgiving my research is so grave that were going to have to createthe foundation of cooperation in the very near future. To be able tocome up with new paradigms of Disclosure that will allow us to develop

the new paradigm; to develop the energy sources we need to tide usover; to be able to directly confront alternative agendas and be openabout it, at least with those who are in control now.

And, in terms of the release of the information, that it would bebased more on just reasonable ah, how should I say it? areasonable, but chaotic transition period.

BR: [laughs] Thats great!

KC: Well, I sort of want to say that, in answer to what Bob Dean istalking about, Disclosure is happening. It has been happening. Were

part of it Camelot; Paola, one of the early pioneers in this area;Alfred Webre, Exopolitics; you know, Michael Salla, etc. itsalready been done, you know, if you will, the work has been done.

This is the funny thing about all this. Obamas announcement isactually coming at the end Im just positing here for yourconsideration, from my point of view the end of the process ratherthan the beginning.

Its already out there. Spielberg did it for you. We did it. Its beendone. The fact is, what were really talking about, is somethingcoming at the tail end for the people who have not gotten clued in upto now.

Now, Im well aware, its the majority of the populations out there,quite possibly, but I actually have a sort of optimistic view of thelevel of intelligence out there, and the fact that we are all ETsanyway.

So you have to keep in mind that we came here these bodies aretemporary, okay? Its a much bigger reality, and even the most silly,dumb person out there has consciousness of having been able to goother places -- in their dreams, if nowhere else.

So the consciousness is actually out there. Its like, its ready;its primed. And its been primed in part by the controllers, if youwill, as well as us okay? who have picked up the ball and run withit; and we, hopefully, have run with it farther and faster than theywanted us to.

BR: Maybe it sounds as if the ground perfect [overtalk], I mean, isthis perfect timing now?

KC: Well, listen to what Alfred Webres talking about, and the suncycle 24, and actually what were moving into, which is the periodbetween now and 2017.

BR: The Matrix of Time Acceleration... how about that?

KC: Were talking about a consciousness change thats making all ofthis possible and accelerating it all very quickly, so that change is


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point of grabbing my American flag, putting on my old uniform, andgoing into the damn streets and causing a riot, because of the factthat I have learned how many lies have been told for the last 65years.

Now, take Joe Blow, Joe Six-pack out there in Kansas, and he finds out

that hes been conned for so damn long...

PH: [laughing] Its true.

BD: ...by a bunch of stinking politicians in Washington. And hesgoing to find out that hes got a separate space program? That NASA isa joke? And we are on Mars and we can step through a portal in S4 andend up in Pine Gap?

These are realities and facts, and it took me a hell of a long time to

digest this and not lose it, you know? Because Im a typical Joe Blow.

I was trained to be an infantryman. Ive been a grunt. Ive been intwo wars. I was this close to going out there and beating the hell out

of some of those government authorities.

Do you think that the average American is going to be able to handleit?

KC: They just found out that the government has been lying to them and

stealing their money right, left, and center. Theyre still not in the

streets.

BD: They are suspicious and they have feelings that maybe theyve beenconned. But the con is so big...

KC: Absolutely.

PH: Yes.

BD: ...that when the average guy out there in the street in KansasCity or Sacramento or wherever, when this really hits him, the impactis going to be devastating.

BR: Theres a possibility here that they might ameliorate their ownproblem of Disclosure by giving us some other problems, as well totake our minds off this. This is beyond the scope of this conference,but if they crash the dollar...

KC: No, actually, lets look at this. Why now? Think about this. Letshave some... step up to the plate here, Michael. What do you think?Why now?

MS: I think that a big factor thats driving this is that there is amajor dispute between the controllers.

On the one hand, youve got those that are tied up with thecorporations -- Majestic, who have trans-nationalized this whole ETphenomenon; reverse-engineering going to corporations, and enormous


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profits beings made, deals being made, ETs being involved in thesedeals.

And, on the other hand, you have a kind of more constitutional group-- which is lead by the U.S. Navy -- that has traditionally been moretidy with representing the national interests.

The Navy, as I understand it, is very upset with the way the wholemanagement system has been trans-nationalized, has been taken out ofthe hands of constitutional government in the U.S., and that the Navyis fighting back.

And I think its very important to point out the role of the Navy inthe Obama administration. His Director of National Intelligence,Dennis Blair, is an ex-four-star Admiral. His National SecurityAdvisor, Jim Jones, is a four-star Marine and the Marines aretraditionally Navy; theyre a kind of sub-service of the Navy.

And now youve had recently the appointment of a NASA administrator

who is an ex-Marine, a General, again, in the Marines.

What you have here is, in the background, a process by which these...and all of these people that Ive named have been briefed fully on theUFO issue. They know about the black projects. And I think they arethe ones that are preparing the groundwork for this to be movedforward.

I know that the Navy has been also involved in other things, such asthe 2008 disclosure of secret meetings at the UN concerning UFOs; and,

that a senior Navy UFO working group was involved in that; and, Iverecently been out to confirm that two of the Vice-Admirals, three-star

Admirals, that were involved in that were -- there was a blowback forthat -- and they were basically forced into retirement; and, I cantname them at this point.

But theres been a struggle. The Navy took the initiative, disclosingthese UN meetings; there was blowback; two three-star Admirals weresacked, but that was kind of 16 months ago, so theres been time forthe Navy to reorganize.

Now youve got these Navy people surrounding Obama, so I think we aregoing to see this moving forward and the Navys going to be playing abig role in that.

BD: Do all of you remember the movie called Seven Days in May?

MS: Sure.

BD: And you know what the gist of it was, that a bunch of admirals and

generals were going to take over the country?

KC: Mm-hm.

BD: Let me tell you something and I have this from first-hand

sources there is a whole passel of Generals and Admirals that are sopissed off about this cover-up and the lies that are being told thattheyre this close to...


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