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CONFIRMED MINUTESOCTOBER 22-25, 2012

OMNI WILLIAM PENN HOTEL PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, OCTOBER 22 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 22-Oct-12.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

Peter Bartsch Premium Aerotec* Stephen Bauer Northrop Grumman Corporation* Philippe Beck Eurocopter* Mitch Birzer General Dynamics Corp.* Alain Bouchet SAFRAN Group

Tim Brooks M7 Aerospace* Juergen Burchards MTU Aero Engines

Valdermir Campos EmbraerAustin Cauthen Pratt & Whitney AmerconAntonio Ciliberto Alenia Aermacchi S.p.A.

* Michael Clark Sikorsky Aircraft Corp.* Richard Costantino Goodrich (UTAS)

David Craig Pratt & Whitney Canada* Michael Daehling Cessna Aircraft Company

Chris Davison Spirit AeroSystems* Steven Garner Eaton Aerospace

Jim Graves Rolls-Royce Corp.* Luis Grijalva Lockheed Martin

Sylvain Héon Bombardier Inc.* Robert Hogan Honeywell Aerospace* Edward Hohman Bell Helicopter Textron Inc.* Phil Keown GE Aviation Chairperson* Dr Hans Hermann Kopp MTU Aero Engines* Serge Labbé Heroux-Devtek, Inc.

Marc-André Lefebvre Heroux-Devtek, Inc.* Donald Maclean Raytheon Company

Steve McCool Honeywell Aerospace* Luigi Merletti AgustaWestland* Michael Mitchell Hamilton Sundstrand* Dale Norwood Parker Aerospace Stratoflex Products

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* Gary O'Neill Parker Aerospace Gas Turbine Fuel* Robert Rainone Goodrich (UTAS)* David Royce Pratt & Whitney Secretary

Kurt Ruoff General Dynamics Corp.John Sauders UTC Aerospace Systems

* Bobby Scott Bombardier Inc. Vice ChairpersonAndrew Smith Spirit Aerosystems

* Uri Sol Israel Aerospace Industries* Chris Stevenson Rolls-Royce PLC

Daniel Stewart Pratt & Whitney* Scott Sullivan Honeywell Aerospace* Peter Torelli The Boeing Company* Louis Truckley The Boeing Company* David Vaughn Spirit AeroSystems

Jon Voeller US Air Force* Tony Warren Airbus

Trish Wesemann Boeing Company* Sean Wood Triumph Group, Inc.

Grzegorz Wryk Goodrich (UTAS)

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

John Abrahams RTI International Metals, Inc.* Christopher Andersen PCC Structurals

Amy Anderson Aerospace DefenseVincent Antonpillai Lisi Aerospace CanadaLeandro Aparicio Advanced Coating TechniqueTomohiko Ashikaga Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd

* Michael Ashton Hexcel Kent* Andy Bakewell E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.

Lawerence Baldelli Met-L-Test Laboratory* Shawn Ballou Wyman Gordon

John Baltrusitis Ducommun AeroStructuresFredrick Binda Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc.Griff Braddock Braddock MetallurgicalMarc Breit RIL-CHEMIEDiedra Brunicardi American Testing ServicesGraham Buswell Bromford Industries

* N. David Campbell West Penn Testing Group* Massimo Capriolo Bytest

Wolfgang Casta Shellcast Foundries Inc.Michael Collingwood A-Scan Laboratories Inc

* Dwayne Cooper RTI International Metals, Inc.Mark Crevier Morton ManufacturingNathalie Crozat-Vigier SKF Aerospace FranceKevin Curry Haley Industries Ltd

* Robert Custer AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc.Lakes Darrell Precision Components InternationalSharon Davis Northeast Testing & Mfg, LLCNate Eisinger Perryman Company

* Paul Evans James Fisher IMSBen Flores Applied Aerospace StructuresDarryl Franklin Triumph Fabrications - Orangeburg

* Richard Gasset Lisi AerospaceGeorge Gieger Braddock Metallurgical

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* David Gray Mitchell LabsMichael J. Guthmiller Applied Aerospace StructuresHelroth Heller FACC

* Bob Henchar X-R-I TestingLisa Hill Composites Atlantic Ltd.Randy Hite PCC Airfoils-PortlandDon Horzewski Ladish Co, Inc.Steve Hughes Scot ForgeSteve Hutchinson Braddock Metallurgical

* Jeff Jones Alloy Processing, Inc.* Richard King New Hampshire Ball Bearings

Jan Edward Kowal NDT AeroServices LLCGrant Lilley Meyer Tool, Inc.Kyle Lindsey Danville Metal StampingJim Maloney The Timken CompanyJohn Massia Turbo Combustor Technology

* Bill McKessy Howmet Corp/Hampton CastingJerome Mehal Corpus Christi Army DepotCraig Militello Westinghouse Electric Co.Jeremy Miller Precise Machining & Mfg.Norm Miller Senior Aerospace, Ketema Division

* Dave Mitchell Composite Inspection SolutionsJohn Moran Doncasters Precision CastingJuan Moreno Omni Metal FinishingLaura Moyer Alcoa Howmet Dover CastingNour Nasr RTI Claro Inc.James Olejarczyk Alcoa Forged ProductsJuan M. Perez Aircraft Xray Laboratories, Inc.Frank Peszka Laboratory Testing Inc.

* Mark Pompe West Penn Testing Group* Jonathan Pugh Exova UK Ltd.

Scott Putnam Embee Inc.* Steve Radelich Jorgensen Forge

Jim Reinhardt Applus RTD Canada LPCatherine Renfer ESCO Turbine TechnologiesDoug Riley Haley Industries Ltd.

* Cindy Roth Team Industrial ServicesGlen Rudd Braddock Metallurgical

* Guy Saenz Hi-Tech Metal FinishingFrank Saenz Hi-Tech Metal FinishingTim Scarlett Danville Metal StampingJay Scharenberg Ross Aluminum Castings LLCTammi Schubert LMI Aerospace Inc.John Smith Sandvik Special MetalsMichael D. Steele Northstar AerospaceDawn Stokes PTI Industries Inc.Shane Tucker LTCKimberly Vecchione New Hampshire Ball BearingsKarl Werner Mitchell LabsBryon White Crane Aerospace

* Gary White Orbit Industries Inc.David Wilk Semiray Special ProcessDave Williams Major Tool & Machine

PRI Staff Present

Mark Aubele

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James BennettPhil FordP. Michael GutridgeRhonda JosephStacey McKinley

1.1 Reviewed Agenda

1.2 The Vice-Chair gave the Introduction presentation. The new Nadcap video was shown covering Anti-Trust, Code of Ethics, Export Control, etc. The video was given at the beginning of the Open and Closed sessions.

1.3 The Nadcap criteria for Open vs. Closed meetings was presented during the Open and Closed sessions.

1.4 The New Members Presentation was given by Jim Bennett.

1.5 Review and Accept Minutes from Last Meeting

Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Dave Vaughn to accept the June 2012 meeting minutes. Motion Passed.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to process new voting members. (DUE DATE: 31-Oct-12)

2.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED

There were 8 Auditor Observations performed since June 2012:

#139425 Observed by Kurt Cunningham (Bombardier)#146777 Observed by Steve McCool (Honeywell)#149927 Observed by Wenbin Chen (GE Aviation)#146029 Observed by Chris Stevenson (Rolls Royce)#141193 Observed by Pete Torelli (The Boeing Co.)#148121 Observed by Dominique Tomasso (SAFRAN)#148474 Observed by David Jimenez Cerve (EADS)#144454 Observed by Simon Long (Airbus)

Three Scope Extensions audits were conducted since June 2012.

#138327 - One (1) extension requested and granted, prior to October 2012 meeting. Auditor / Scheduling related.

Three (3) Auditor Advisories were issued, 12-05 NDT, 12-06 NDT, and 12-07 NDT.

One (1) Supplier Advisory was issued 2163.

One (1) Audit failure was overturned.

Five (5) of 1011 Accreditations lapsed in 2011 or .05%. No Accreditations lapsed since June 2012.

Audit report review percentage is at 43% overall for quorum.

3.0 TASK GROUP RESOLUTIONS – CLOSED

A NUCAP deviation request was presented concerning AC7114/2 paragraph 4.3.4.

NIP 7-03 Task Group Review procedure was reviewed as pertains to Task Group Resolution items.4

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ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to forward NUCAP deviation / clarification (AC7114/2 paragraph 4.3.4.) to the MT sub group. (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-12)

4.0 ETHICS & APPEALS – CLOSED

Extension Requests brought forward during this meeting, #134872, #137332, #134794 and 134777 have scheduling issues.

Motion made by Pete Torelli and seconded by Bob Hogan to grant an extension of 90 days for audit #134872. Motion Passed.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Bob Rainone to grant an extension of 90 days for audit #137332. Motion Passed.

Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Pete Torelli to grant an extension of 90 days for audit #134794 & 134777. Motion Passed.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff ensure that all accreditation extensions granted at the October Task Group meeting to be processed accordingly. (DUE DATE: 30-Oct-12)

5.0 NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED

Compliance Jobs – There shall be 3 performed, if there are only 2 available a minor NCR is issued. This is the current practice. Is this still the expectation of the Task Group? This will be discussed during the open meeting.

Are “dummy” parts allowed for compliance jobs? The Supplier produces “government secret” parts and is seeking an initial accreditation. Discussion ensued, no decision made. To be discussed next meeting.

A Subscriber requested a VCA audit for #146479 in the Task Group ballot comments.

Motion made by Rich Costantino and seconded by Dave Vaughn to have a VCA performed for # 146479. Motion Passed.

Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Rich Costantino to grant a 90 day extension for Audit #140878 (current audit #146479). Motion Passed.

Should a presentation on Nadcap activities be presented at ASTM meetings? Phil Keown provided updates in the past. Discussed, good idea, need to work on format.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate steps on how to be included on the agenda for the next ASTM NDT committee meeting. (Due Date: 30-Nov-12)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to develop presentation for ASTM meetings on Nadcap NDT activities. Use a format similar to Phil Keown’s. (Due Date: 25-Feb-13)

A proposal was presented from Mike Gutridge concerning hiring of new Auditors; Staff wishes to implement a testing program prior to the interview process. This would be a general exam for the methods that the candidate wishes to audit. This would be administered prior to the Task Group interview process. If the results are unacceptable the prospective Auditor would not continue in the process. If acceptable the process would continue. Classroom training would be administered via WebEx (by PRI staff), Self-Study (using training programs developed) or onsite training by PRI staff. Specific examination would follow classroom training and would be Open book administered through the Learning Management System (LMS). Practical would remain the same.

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Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Dave Royce to proceed with the proposal. PRI to develop the training process and questions for the exams. Motion Passed.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to develop examination database for prescreening Auditor candidates. (Due Date: 25-Feb-13)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to revise NIP 6-01 and NTGOP Appendix to reflect the new prescreening process for Auditor candidates. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

ACTION ITEM: NDT Staff to confer with Bob Lizewski (PRI) regarding use of Learning Management System for training NDT auditors. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

An email that was sent to the Task Group concerning the review of audit packages was discussed.It was not deemed appropriate as it only affected another commodity’s criterion for documenting quality system via an attached copy of certification. No further action required.

Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Ed Hohman to approve Dr. Hans Hermann Kopp, and Sean Wood for audit package review. Motion Passed.

6.0 SUPPLEMENTS – CLOSED

Supplements are revised once a year unless there are major changes at a Subscriber. Rolls- Royce has had such change. All proposed changes to be submitted to PRI no later than 31-Jan-13 to be considered.

7.0 METHOD SUB-TEAM / ADHOC TEAM – BREAKOUT SESSIONS – OPEN

The teams met and discussed pertinent issues associated with the Nadcap NDT program.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to develop a presentation to explain what the sub-teams are and what they're all about for the new attendees at Task Group meetings. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to review February 2013 agenda to optimize the utilization of time for the sub-team meetings during the Task Group meeting week. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

8.0 PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC METRICS – OPEN

The PRI report was presented by Jim Bennett.

The RAIL (Rolling Action Item List) was presented and reviewed.

9.0 CLARIFICATION DATABASE – OPEN

The Clarification Database was presented by Andy Bakewell and discussed. The database is available on eAuditNet for review.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan and Andy Bakewell to have items added to the database forwarded to PRI Staff when received so that Staff can determine if it needs to be addressed by the sub- groups allowing a quicker resolution. Motion Passed.

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ACTION ITEM: Andy Bakewell to provide Clarification Database items to PRI Staff when received to allow quicker resolution of issues with the Sub-Team and subsequently with the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

10.0 SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION – OPEN

Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee’s Report.

11.0 ADHOC TEAM REPORT OUTS – OPEN

The Etch improvement sub-team provided an update. The NDT sub-team met with Chemical Processing sub-team to address questions from Nadcap Management Council (NMC). A revised business plan will be formulated and submitted to NMC for review. It was requested that the revised business plan be discussed during an NMC teleconference call prior to the February 2013 meeting.

The other Adhoc teams did not meet to allow the Method Sub-Teams to meet for longer.

Motion made by Chris Stevenson and seconded by Cindy Roth to add the following to the Ad-hoc team for the Filmless Radiography to develop a Computed Radiography (CR) checklist, Dale Norwood, Christopher Andersen, Paul Evans, Bill McKessy, Ken Lacivita, Sean Pickrell, John Massie, and Michael Daehling. Motion Passed.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to modify the Sub-Team / Adhoc Team lists to reflect the changes to individuals in the various groups and to include Computed Radiography (CR). (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

12.0 NADCAP AND NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW – OPEN

Mike Gutridge provided an update to the group on the revised procedures that affect the Nadcap NDT program.

An update was given on NIP 7-03 in regard to the process for Task Group Resolutions. When a resolution is requested by the Supplier an email will be sent to the Task Group asking for a response within 3 business days. The Task Group is to post their response in the “Task Group Discussion” section of the applicable NCR. The audit will be placed back into Supplier Review pending resolution.

13.0 REPORT OUT ON THE TASK GROUP CHAIR & STAFF ENGINEER ROUNDTABLE – OPEN

Phil Keown reported: Auditor capabilities during an audit was discussed. If issues occur during the audit the Supplier will call PRI for help.

Multiple Supplier advisories at a Supplier. If a Subscriber has a concern they can research it on eAuditNet on their own.

NOP-002 paragraph 7.4.3 has been revised to clearly identify what had been spoken policy, that is, Suppliers are permitted to participate in Auditor Conferences if invited and they are presenting data. The Supplier is only allowed to participate when providing specific training. The intent is they will not be able to attend all of the training, just the portion they are giving.

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Balloting comments on non-balloted paragraphs. The purpose of the ballot is for the changes proposed. If there are comments outside that scope they will be addressed during the next cycle. The Task Group may address those proposed changes if they are deemed signification enough to impact the program. This will require re-balloting.

Job audit tracking. The Auditors complete a form for their particular Task Group to monitor which Subscribers were included in previous audits for compliance jobs. Only three commodities have implemented variations of a job tracker.

14.0 TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS – OPEN

If a new method Level 3 at a company is utilized are they required to approve the previously approved procedures / work instructions / technique cards by the previous Level 3? No re-approval of such documents is required; however the new method Level 3 is responsible for those procedures. Therefore indicating the previous Level 3 as part of the Root Cause for an NCR would not be acceptable. PRI Staff to issue Auditor Advisory.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue open Auditor Advisory to indicate the expectation of the Task Group in regards to new method Level 3’s approving procedures, work instructions, or techniques (approval is not necessary, however new method Level 3 takes ownership, therefore is accountable and identifying previous Level 3 is not acceptable root cause). (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-12)

ACTION ITEM: Andy Bakewell to update clarification database to address expectations regarding new method Level 3’s approving procedures, work instructions, or techniques. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-12)

Discussion ensued regarding the need to re-approve the NDT Written Practice if a new ‘Responsible’ Level 3 is used. Consensus was that it would not be necessary to reapprove. This however may conflict with the wording in NAS410 / EN4179. Clarification will be necessary from the AIA.

ACTION ITEM: Mark Aubele to request AIA clarification regarding the expectation of who is required to approve the NDT written practice if a new responsible Level 3 is identified. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-12)

Due to time restrictions, it was not possible to discuss compliance jobs. This will be added to the agenda for February 2013.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to include Compliance Jobs discussion with the Task Group for the February 2013 meeting. (DUE DATE: 9-Nov-12)

15.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN

Jim Bennett presented the new members that are eligible to become voting members.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Juergen Burchards to make Dr. Hans-Hermann Kopp of MTU Aero Engines a User Voting Member (UVM). Motion Passed.

Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Cindy Roth to make Shawn Ballou of Wyman Gordon, Jeff Jones of Alloy Processing Inc, and Steve Raddich of Jorgensen Forge Supplier Voting Members (SVM). Motion Passed.

Initial Auditor Training (IAT): there is a new web based training module for Auditors, released as part of the (NMC) Auditor Consistency directive. Mike Gutridge gave a talk on the new process.

Are there any suggestions for the upcoming NDT Supplier symposium? The responsibilities and or training of Trainees, Level 1’s and Level 2’s. FPI system performance testing; top five NCR’s per method. Potentially utilize the training given to Auditors.

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ACTION ITEM: NDT Task Group to forward NDT Supplier Symposium ideas to PRI Staff. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-12)

A corporate Level 3 has responsibilities for several locations. Is the Level 3 required to provide the certification exam if asked by the Auditor at each location? No, the Level 3’s certification documentation should only be reviewed at the Level 3’s location if they are undergoing a Nadcap NDT audit. For other locations, evidence of the NAS410 / EN4179 Level 3 certificate (valid during the date of the services provided) is only required. This is outlined in the Compliance Assessment Guidance (CAG) of AC7114 (section 5.0).

Christopher Andersen from PCC gave a presentation on digitizing Inspectors Records, including training experience and exams. This presentation will be available on eAuditNet.

ACTION ITEM: Christopher Anderson’s presentation on Digitizing Inspector records to be made available on eAuditNet. (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-12)

Staff requested the possibility of creating sub teams to perform and oversee translations of the checklists.

No additional discussion other than having Adhoc groups developed as necessary to translate documents on an as needed basis. Luigi Merletti volunteered to create an Italian translated checklist for Italian Suppliers.

ACTION ITEM: Luigi Merletti to create the Italian translation of the checklists. (DUE DATE: 30-Jun-13)

The Task Group has a new CSR, Stacey McKinley. Welcome to the team Stacey!

16.0 NDT CHECKLIST REVIEW – OPEN

The Sub Teams have met and reports given.

AC7114 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes.

Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Rich Gasset to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the AC7114 paragraph 5.2.1 as presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed.

Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Mike Mitchell to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the AC7114 paragraphs 5.2.2, 5.2.3, 5.2.4, 5.2.7, 5.2.8, 5.2.9, 5.3, 5.3.3, 5.3.10, 5.4, 5.4.1, 5.4.2, 5.4.3, 5.4.4, 5.4.5, 5.4.6, , 8.2.1. As presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed.

The recommendations on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx for paragraphs 5.7, 5.7.1, 5.7.2, and 5.7.3 are tabled.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Gary O’Neill to postpone the implementation of the AC7114/6 checklist. TABLED ITEM: This item has been tabled until the February 2013 Meeting. PRI has affirmed that implementation of the checklist cannot be postponed as it has already been released for use. The only option would be to cancel the document and start over.

AC7114/3 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes.

Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Dave Royce to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the AC7114/3 paragraphs 4.3.18, 6.10.8, 6.15.1, 6.10.3 as presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed.

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AC7114/4 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes. Changes from the Berlin meeting were presented, no changes as the result of this meeting.

AC7114/1 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes.

Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Bobby Scott to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the AC7114/1 paragraphs 5.5.1, 5.5.2, 5.10.2, 5.10.1, 5.10.3 as presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed.

AC7114/2 Sub Team Chair – presented proposed changes.

AC7114/2 Sub Team presentation tabled to readdress wording for proposed changes.

Mike Gutridge presented proposed changes to NGTOP 001 App 1.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Dave Royce to accept the proposed paragraph changes and or additions to the NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 paragraphs Title, 2.1, 11.1 as presented on the Proposed Checklist Changes Spreadsheet -25OCT12.xlsx. Motion Passed.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to establish mechanism for monitoring time at Task Group meetings more effectively. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

Seven (7) Auditors attended Digital Radiography, Digital Detector Array (DDA) conference. Training was completed and examinations given. There are now 7 Auditors capable of performing AC7114/6 audits.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to update a-frm-47 to reflect this addition in auditor capability. (DUE DATE: 1-Dec-12)

17.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) REPORT OUT ON THE SSC MEETING – OPEN

The meeting consisted of 2 breakout sessions; 1 of new Suppliers and 1 of experienced Suppliers. 5 questions were presented to the groups and ideas given to prioritize action items. The questions centered on Information that can be helpful, what means should be utilized to resolve non-technical questions, how can SSC info be keep up to date, how can feedback be improved, and miscellaneous items. Under new business the idea of the post-audit survey (Supplier Feedback), some Suppliers don’t want to be honest due to NCR’s are not completed, due to fear of reprisals. Can the survey be completed after the audit is closed? Subscriber criteria may be based on industry standards, however many Subscribers then add caveats, can the Subscribers get together and be the same?

18.0 REPORT OUT ON THE PLANNING & OPERATIONS MEETING – OPEN

The Chairperson stated that based on feedback that a new scope for the meeting has been developed, to provide a forum between the Task Groups and NMC. The NMC has an ad-hoc team looking at Auditor issues and sending Auditors to “unsafe” countries, no decision was made. It may be up to the Subscribers to decide how they will handle those Suppliers.

The Nonconventional Machining & Surface Enhancement (NMSE) Task Group is thinking about splitting into separate groups.

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Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Task Group is considering accepting AS9003.

There is discussion concerning too many meetings - NMC, Roundtable, Planning and Ops, etc.. No action planned as it appears only NDT was concerned.

19.0 SUPPLIER SYMPOSIUM – OPEN

The symposium centered on the responsibilities of the NDT Level 3.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to modify NDT Sequencing presentation of the Supplier Symposium to better reflect one of the slides (slide 9) associated with examples of compliance. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

20.0 EDDY CURRENT – OPEN

Eleven (11) Auditors have passed the examination for Eddy Current and are capable of performing audits to the AC7114/5 checklist. There is ongoing discussion as to whether conductivity testing is to be added back into the checklist. This will be discussed during the Sub-Group.

ACTION ITEM: Eddy Current Sub-Team to discuss whether Conductivity Testing should be added to the AC7114/5 checklist and report to the Task Group. (DUE DATE: 25-Feb-13)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to update a-frm-47 to reflect this addition in auditor capability. (DUE DATE: 1-Dec-12)

21.0 DEVELOP AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 2013 – OPEN

Suggestions were given regarding the Method Sub-Team / Ad-hoc Team breakouts. PRI will take steps earlier in the meeting to provide more time and possibly stagger to optimize attendance.

Discussion ensued regarding the number of days for the next meeting.

Motion made by Bob Hogan and seconded by Dave Vaughn to have a 4 1/2 day meeting in Dallas Feb 13. Motion Defeated.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Dave Gray to have a 4 day meeting in Dallas Feb 13. Motion Passed.

22.0 RAIL & CLARIFICATION DATABASE REVIEW – OPEN

Completed

23.0 MEETING FACILITATION FEEDBACK – OPEN

It is with great pleasure that we thank Phil Keown for the many years of service as Chairperson of the NDT Task Group.

ADJOURNMENT – 25 Oct 12– Meeting was adjourned at 12:00 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: David N. Royce david.royce@pw.utc.com

RAIL:

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***** For PRI Staff use only: ******

Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)

YES* NO

*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring revision:

Who is responsible: Due date:

NTGOP-001 Appendix I M. Gutridge 30-Nov-12

NIP 6-01 Appendix NDT M. Gutridge 30-Nov-12

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