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COMPOSITES TASK GROUPFEBRUARY 2008

UNCONFIRMED MINUTES25-29 FEBRUARY 2008

HOLIDAY INN HOTEL ROMEROME, ITALY

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, 25 FEBRUARY 2008 (CLOSED SESSION)

A Closed meeting was held with only Primes attending. Audits in Task Group and Staff Engineer Review were reviewed. The results of an Auditor Interview were discussed. Auditor statistics were reviewed to establish auditor performance since October 2007. Staff Engineer Delegation status and maintenance data was reviewed.

Action Item: Identify concerns with identification of consumable goods and address this issue via question in the audit checklist. (Lance Loeks, Kevin Dowling, Joe Dwyer) [Note: Suggested Question – Does the supplier have in place a procedure to make sure that the correct material is used?]

Action Item: Need to examine the right way to address the pump action dispensers. Audit handbook clarification needs to be developed and all references in the handbook to pump dispensers need to be aligned. (Mike Bemis, Pete Atwell, Marty Couey)

Action Item: Review data to determine how often an auditor has been paired with a facility more than once. (PRI)

MONDAY, 25 FEBRUARY 2008 (OPEN SESSION)

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS

1.1 Call to Order/Quorum Check

The Composites Task Group Meeting was called to order by David Watson at 2:00 pm. A quorum of qualifying members was established. 19 primes

1.1.1 Introductions

1.1.2 Routing of Attendance List

The attendance list was routed for signatures.

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User Members Present

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Name CompanyPeter Atwell AirbusMike Bemis Goodrich AerostructuresPeter Bonarrigo BombardierSharon Bull Rolls Royce plcTara Campbell Rolls Royce plcDavid Constable AirbusJeff Conrad Cessna Aircraft Co.Marty Couey Hawker BeechcraftLucia Cutillo Alenia AeronauticaMarsha Davis Lockheed MartinLaurent Dejaie SonacaKevin Dowling Spirit AeroSystemsJoe Dwyer Rolls RoyceM’hamed El Haouari Bombardier Aerospace (Canada)Marcel Francois SAFRAN GroupAngie Gabriel The Boeing CompanyFabio Gasparotto The Boeing Company - HdHUdo Goessler Eurocopter Robin Gorman The Boeing CompanyOlivier Goupillon EurocopterBrett Hemingway BAE SystemsMark Jackson VoughtDennis Keefe GE Aviation Hamble LTDDr. Wolfgang Kerfin EADS/MASJohn Key Bell Helicopter TextronBetty Kocsis HoneywellFrank Lennert The Boeing CompanyRon Levi Lockheed MartinLance Loeks The Boeing CompanyWilliam Macias GoodrichLeah Markowitz HoneywellLuigi Di Martino The Boeing CompanyFederico Masellis Alenia AeronauticaAndreas Mastorakis GE AviationAngelina Mendoza GoodrichDonald Missel Lockheed MartinKeith Panuska Lockheed MartinLinda Paranthoen LatecoereAlberto Portal EADS (MTAD)Doug Prenovost Northrop GrummanEngin Sabuncu Cessna Aircraft Co.Kevin Shilling The Boeing CompanyDavid Watson Bombardier

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Other Participants/Members PresentName CompanyStephen Davies HexcelJean-Luc Forget StructilRoger Francombe Advance Composites GroupMiguel Gerdel Thermal StructuresDave Gray Mitchell LabsHiroki Hashitsume Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, LDTRegine Kocklenberg Hexcel CompositesCarmela Ferentz Kuperberg IAILouis Lagarenne 3M FanceRobert Lunn Huntsman Advance MaterialsJune Mason Albany Engineered CompositesHitoshi Nada Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, LTDDaniel Ng HexcelKrish Patni D-J EngineeringJohn Riddell St. Bernard Composites LTDDon Russell Toray CompositesSteve Schrameyer Cytec Engineered MaterialsMike Watts GKN Aerospace Services

PRI Staff PresentRebekah Foutz PRI Staff (Warrendale, PA)

1.1.3 Review of Agenda

The Staff Engineer (Rebekah Foutz) reviewed the agenda for this Composites Task Group, February 2008, Nadcap meeting in Rome, Italy with the Task Group members present.

1.1.4 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

The minutes from the 22 – 26 October 2007 Composites Task Group Meeting were reviewed. A motion was made for approval of the minutes, seconded, and all were in favor with no disapprovals. Therefore, the minutes were approved as written. All meeting minutes will be available on the PRI web site at www.pri-network.org.

1.1.5 Approval of New Voting Members

The following members were approved by the Task Group…

John Key Jr. – Bell Helicopter Textron – User Voting Member

Jamar Johnson – Bell Helicopter Textron – Alternate User Voting Member

Steve Schrameyer – Supplier Voting Member – Cytec Engineered Materials

Jeff Conrad – Cessna Aircraft Company – User Voting Member

Engin Sabuncu – Cessna Aircraft Company – Alternate User Voting Member

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Tara Campbell – Rolls Royce plc – User Voting Member

2.0 STAFF/AUDITOR REPORT

2.1 Specific items of interest to the Composites Task Group since July 2007 included:

2.1.1 12 Primes have mandated AC7118 Rev A. A list of Primes that have mandated (Prime Matrix) Nadcap accreditation can be found on www.pri-network.org.

2.1.2 2008 Audit Projections

147 Projected

Currently 85% of the projected audits have been conducted/scheduled.

2.1.3 Pareto of Nonconformances

An updated NCR Pareto chart was presented which detailed the most recurring findings to date for Composites audits. The Paragraph in which findings were most prevalent was 11.3.2 – Are document work instructions available to operator and does the procedure(s) accurately reflect the manufacturing process?

This presentation, including the specific questions, can be viewed on www.eauditnet.com under Public Documents – Composites.

A presentation that provides additional clarification on Environmentally Monitored Areas (EMA) can also be viewed on www.eauditnet.com under Public Documents – Composites.

2.1.4 Auditor Base Status

2.1.5 The current auditor base status was presented to the Task Group. There are currently 7 auditors with one located in the Europe Sector and 5 located in the Americas Sector.

2.1.6 ITAR/EAR

2.1.6.1 125 composite audits scheduled/conducted

2.1.6.2 34 (27%) have no ITAR/EAR restrictions

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Action Item: The NDT Task Group has a flyer that is circulated prior to every Nadcap meeting. In that flyer they include various facts and helpful information in regards to the NDT Task Group. Determine what needs to be done to develop a similar flyer for the Composite Task Group. (PRI, Angie Mendoza, Pete Atwell, Miguel Gerdel and John Riddell)

3.0 METRICS

4.1 PRI presented the Composites Task Group metrics and reviewed the status of each.

Total Supplier cycle time - Initial audits – Green

- Goal is to have an average cycle time <=34 days

- Actual average cycle time is 27

Total Supplier cycle time – Reaccreditation audits – Green



Staff engineer cycle time – Initial audits – Green



Staff engineer cycle time – Reaccreditation audits – Green



Task Group cycle time – Initial audits – Red (Staff Engineer is not Delegated for Initial Audits. Initial Audit Task Group ballots are required to be a minimum of 14 days.)



Task Group cycle time – Reaccreditation audits – Green



Suppliers on merit – Red

- Goal is to have 80% of Suppliers eligible, on Merit

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- Actual percentage is 65%

Prime Audit Balloting charts presented for initial and reaccreditation

4.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE REPORT – (MIGUEL GERDEL)

The Nadcap Supplier Support Committee (SSC) update was presented, including the mission and purpose of this committee. An update was given on the activities of the Communications and Mentoring Team, Metrics Team, Supplier Survey Team, 25 Mile Rule and Pilot Checklist Review. Further details on these topics can be reviewed in the attached SSC Report.

The minutes from the SSC meeting conducted on Tuesday, 23 October 2007 will be available on www.pri-network.org.

5.0 ACTION ITEM LIST REPORT OUT

The action items from the previous meetings were reviewed during the meeting as follows:

4.2 Action Item Status

October Action Item #1 – See Agenda Item #6.

October Action Item #2 – Closed – Audit Handbook clarification revised.

October Action Item #3 – Open – Will discuss during a Task Group conference call prior to next Nadcap meeting.

October Action Item #4 – Closed – Audit Handbook Clarification revised.


October Action Item #6 -7 – Closed


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October Action Item #9 – Closed – Audit Handbook clarification revised.


October Action Items #11-15 – Closed

6.0 AC7118 – REVIEW OF SECTION 3 – 11 (ACTION ITEM #1)

A team of Task Group members were assigned the action item to review sections 3 - 11 of the AC7118 Rev A to determine if there is duplication between these sections and the job audits (sections 12 – 23). The team provided feedback on their results. There were a number of questions identified therefore the Task Group agreed that the originally assigned sub-team would continue to work on the questions until the end of June. At that time the questions will be circulated to the entire Task Group to collect comments. Those questions that were commented on would then be reviewed at the July Nadcap meeting. Any question that was not commented on will not be discussed.

Action Item: The original sub-team is to continue their work on the identified questions. (Lance Loeks (lead), Miguel Gerdel, Kevin Dowling, Dave Tomasitis, Dave Kimber, Pete Atwell and June Mason)

Action Item: Circulate the final proposal to the Task Group to gather comments that will be discussed at the July Nadcap meeting. (PRI)

TUESDAY, 26 FEBRUARY 2008 (CLOSED SESSION)

A Closed meeting was held with only Primes attending. During this time the following items were addressed…Audits in Task Group and Staff Engineer Review were reviewed and discussed. A succession plan for the Task Group Chair, Vice Chair and Secretary was reviewed and approved (See attached presentation for details.). Auditor statistics were reviewed to establish auditor performance since July 2007. Staff Engineer Delegation status and maintenance data was reviewed. Some concern was expressed that the Task Group required AS9100 training for the Composite Staff Engineer has not been completed.

Action Item: Direct the Auditors to provide further detail of the audit status in their audit cover letter. Auditors will be asked to detail how many times they have audited that specific Supplier (e.g. “This is my second time at Supplier B.”). (PRI)

TUESDAY, 26 FEBRUARY 2008 (OPEN SESSION)

7.0 JULY AUDITOR TRAINING – FINALIZE TOPICS

8.0 JULY AUDITOR TRAINING – WORKING SESSIONS

These topics were set aside for a Task Group conference call to be scheduled at a later date. More pressing topics that were brought forward during the meeting were

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asked to be added to the Open Discussion (agenda item 9), thus required additional time in the agenda.

9.0 OPEN DISCUSSION

9.1 NTGOP-001 Ballot Recall

9.1.1 Some concern was expressed over the proposed changes to the NTGOP-001 that were circulated and then later recalled prior to the February Nadcap meeting. The main concern expressed by the Task Group was that Task Groups will not be required to be included in formal ballots of the NOPs that, in the near future, will contain all of the Supplier Merit, Audit Failure and Staff Engineer Delegation criteria.

9.1.2 It was reiterated that any and all concerns with any documents that are balloted to NMC, need to be expressed to the respective NMC representatives.

9.2 CCA and EMA Concerns

9.2.1 A Supplier expressed concern that the Audit Handbook does not allow the use of equipment that utilizes lubricant in the clean room. It was clarified that there are a few situations where this could be necessary.

Action Item: Look into a possible change to the Audit Handbook Clarification for CCA and EMA to clarify situations such as this. (John Riddell, Miguel Gerdel, Lance Loeks, Pete Atwell, Kevin Dowling)

9.3 Storage of Materials in Freezers

9.3.1 AC7118 Rev A, paragraph 6.1.3 reads, “Is there a record that monitors the materials stored in the cold storage unit(s) including their product designation and expiration date?” There was question as to what was required for a record. Audit handbook clarification was revised for this question to make the intent of the question clear.

Action Item: Clarify to Auditors the intent of paragraph 6.1.3. (PRI)

9.1 Identification of Consumable Materials

9.1.1 Audit Handbook was revised to specify that labels are not required if the supplier can demonstrate they are using expendable materials as defined by the customer or internal procedure.

10.0 MEETING CLOSE OUT

10.1 Next meeting date and location

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The next Nadcap meetings are scheduled for the week of 21 – 25 July 2008 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Composite session will be scheduled Open all day Monday, Tuesday Closed for two hours in morning and the Open for the rest of the day. Wednesday will be Open and both Composite and Non Metallic Materials participants are encouraged to attend. Wednesday afternoon through Friday will be dedicated to Non Metallic Materials. The formal agenda will be developed, distributed and will be available on www.pri-network.org.

ADJOURNMENT – The meeting was adjourned at 3:50 p.m.

WEDNESDAY, 27 FBRUARY 2008 (OPEN SESSION)

Non Metallic Materials (NMM) Sub-Group



The Composites Task Group Meeting was called to order by David Watson at 11:20 a.m. A quorum of qualifying members was established.

1.2 Introductions

1.3 Routing of Attendance List

The attendance list was routed for signatures

2.0 HISTORY AND BACKGROUND OF PCD AC DEVELOPMENT

2.1 The history and background of the development of AC7124 was discussed to update all in attendance on the progress of the development of the audit criteria and direction the group is heading in.

2.2 Primes in attendance agreed to organize a letter or intent to mandate that would be circulated to all applicable Suppliers.

3.0 ACTION ITEM REPORT OUT



October Action Item #2 – Closed

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October Action Item #3 – Slides will be added and Open and Closing Meeting Presentation will be circulated to Auditors

October Action Item #8-9 – Closed


October Action Item #21-23 – Closed – These were reviewed during Thursday, Agenda Item #4.

October Action Items #1, 4-7 and 10-14 were reviewed on Friday.

4.0 AUDIT CRITERIA DEVELOPMENT FOR AC7124

4.1 The scope of the AC7124 was outlined. Specific checklist questions were then developed.

AC7124 – Raw Material ManufacturingGeneral Requirements Raw Material Control – (See Receiving Job Audits AC7118 Rev A)

o Receivingo Storage and Handlingo Shelf life control

Process Change Management Quality System Requirements

AC7124/1 – PrepregJob Audits Receiving – Reinforcement Receiving – Resin Prepregging – Hot Melt (film offline) Prepregging – Hot Melt (film online) Prepregging – Solution (tow, uni tape or fabric) Slitting (Prepreg or film) Slitting – Automated fiber placement (AFP) Re-winding Plying Packaging Storage Certification

AC7124/2 – Resin Job Audits Receiving – Constituent 1 Receiving – Constituent 2 Mixing – Compounding Mixing – Reactor Mixing Mixing – In-Line Mixing/Continuous Mixing

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THURSDAY, 28 FEBRUARY 2008 (OPEN SESSION)

4.0 AUDIT CRITERIA DEVELOPMENT FOR AC7124 – CONTINUED

4.1 The results of Action Items 21 through 23 were reviewed and teams were formed to continue development of the AC7124. The draft checklists will be sent out for ballot once they are written and organized. Open conference calls and potential meetings will be held to continue the development of these checklists. Further review will take place at the next Nadcap meeting.

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/1 – Prepreg specifically for Prepregging – Hot Melt (film offline). Mid May. (Don Russell and Angie Gabriel (lead))

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/1 – Prepreg specifically for Prepregging – Hot Melt (file online). End of May. (Pete Atwell (lead), David Constable and Roger Francombe)

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/1 – Prepreg specifically for Prepregging – Solution (tow, uni tape or fabric). (Mike Bemis and Angie Gabriel)

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/1 – Prepreg specifically for Slitting (Prepreg or film). (John Key, Jeff Conrad and Steve Schrameyer)

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/1 – Prepreg specifically for Slitting – Automated fiber placement (AFP). Mid June. (Mike Bemis)

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/1 – Prepreg specifically for Plying. (John Key)

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/2 – Resin specifically for Mixing – Compounding and Mixing – Reactor Mixing. Mid May. (Mike Bemis and Andreas Mastorakis)

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/2 – Resin specifically for Mixing – In-Line Mixing/Continuous Mixing. Mid May. (Mike Bemis (lead), Steve Schrameyer, David Constable, Pete Atwell and Brett Hemingway)

Action Item – Develop Audit Criteria for AC7124/2 – Resin specifically for Blending. Mid June. (Andreas Mastorakis (lead) and Steve Schrameyer)

Action Item – Schedule a conference call in mid May, End of May and mid June to discuss and review the status of the audit criteria development for AC7124. (PRI)

5.0 OPEN DISCUSSION

No topics were brought forward for discussion.

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6.0 MEETING CLOSE OUT





FRIDAY, 29 February 2008 (OPEN SESSION)



The Composites Task Group Meeting was called to order by David Watson at 09:00 a.m. A quorum of qualifying members was established.

1.2 Introductions

1.3 Routing of Attendance List

2.0 STAFF/AUDITOR REPORT

2.1 Specific items of interest since to the NMM sub-group since October 2007 included:

2.1.1 Prime mandates of AC7122:

2.1.1.1 BAE Systems

2.1.1.2 GE Aviation – Mandate effective May 1, 2008. GE supplier approvals that expire after that date must obtain PRI AC7122 accreditation.

2.1.1.3 Goodrich – All Nadcap checklists are mandated, but a specific letter will be distributed to appropriate testing suppliers pertaining to AC7122.

2.1.1.4 SAFRAN Group

3.0 ACTION ITEM REPORT OUT

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October Action Item #1 – Closed


October Action Item #10-14 – Closed – These were reviewed during Friday, Agenda Item #4.

Action item: Post IPT results on eAuditNet – Public Documents – Non Metallic Materials. (PRI)

4.0 AUDIT CRITIERIA DEVELOPMENT FOR AC7122/2 - ADHESIVES

4.1 The results of Action Items 5, 7 and 10 through 14 were reviewed. The draft checklist will be sent out for ballot once it is written and organized. Further review will take place at the next Nadcap meeting.

5.0 OPEN DISCUSSION

No topics were brought forward for discussion.

6.0 MEETING CLOSE-OUT





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YES* NO

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