Tom Billings and Beyondveg

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Tom Billings and beyondveg.com

Tom Billings is a principal author of beyondveg.com, a website that purports to provide "Reports fr

terans of vegetarian and raw-food diets, veganism, fruitarianism, and instinctive eating, plus new

ence from paleolithic diet research and clinical nutrition.", in addition to exposing dangerous and fa

iefs and practices in the raw-food and/or vegetarian/vegan community.

f only that were true! the site is an excellent study of the dangerous, false, misology of thenscientist who, having no significant understanding of biochemistry or general science, uses scientif

unding words and misinterpretations of scientific data to support false conceptual paradigms.

ince nutrition can be investigated only by the scientific tool called biochemistry, discussions of d

at totally ignore chemistry and focus on other irrelevant information, such as cultural belief or

adition, is clearly meaningless. That is nutribabble, and this page will lead to analyses of the

tribabble presented on beyondveg.com.

#n a set of pages titled $ietary %roblems in the Real &orld , "Bios of vegetarians, ex-vegetarians,

hers in search of health, not dogma..." , Billings and others candidly discuss their personal dietary

lures! so let's ta(e a loo( at these revelations.

Tom Billings: dietary failures

Tom Billings, )TB* a principle author of beyondveg.com, who by-the-way stole that title from one o

ticles without permission several years ago, has a rather interesting cyclic history of personal

ailures".

He failed at fruitarianism, so he concludes that fruitarianism can not wor(.

He failed at a raw diet, so he concludes that raw diets can not wor(.He conveniently ignores the inescapable fact that our species, as did every one of countless hundr

millions of species of +ife on this planet, evolved on a totally raw diet.

He failed at a vegan diet, so he concludes that vegan diets can not wor(.

The beyondveg website also advocates the human consumption of raw flesh by presenting a long

position of pseudoscience about the "%aleo $iet".

TB also uniformly fails to consider the quality issue -- that modern produce is highly deficient in

nerals and essential nutrients as a result of contemporary, chemical/petrochemical-based,

tant-monoculture, mega-agriculture. e ignores the fact that our closest genetic relative, the

mp, in addition to eating fruit as the preferred food, also includes leaves and nuts/seeds in its diet

d the strong possibility that these may supply some nutrients missing or limited in fruits. e ignore

e fact that commercial fruits and vegetables simply do not exist in ature, and that they have bee

netically-manipulated for hundreds, to thousands mango, of years to support economic, certainly n

tritional goals. e ignores the obvious fact that humans are Tropical apes and should not be living i

mperatures less than the mid 01's2 and the thermal stress that this creates.

e conveniently redefines common words3 "2ruitarianism" being "456 or more by weight raw frui

e presents several web pages titled $ietary %roblems in the Real &orld which purport to be "Bio

vegetarians, ex-vegetarians, and others in search of health, not dogma..."

n summary, these biographies provide excellent insight on how not to approach any raw diet,

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pecially fruitarianism, the common causes of these "failures" being3

ignorance of chemistry/biochemistry, thus totally ignoring the chemistry involved in proper diet,

ignoring the 7uantity of nutrients eaten,

ignoring the 7uality of nutrients eaten,

ignoring serious signs of malnutrition,

ignorance of the dynamics of dietary change,

not understanding that ego reduction is necessary to support any ma8or change in diet,

not trying to determine the causes! of specific symptoms of malnutrition and thenremoving the cause by intelligently ad8usting the diet to correct nutritional deficiencies,

and, in direct contradiction to the alleged "search of health, not dogma...", ta(ing a rigid,

gmatic, misologic approach to diet based on mindless faith and copying some incompetent's advice o

etary system, as contrasted to an intelligent approach to diet in an experimental/experiential mode

e method of which being to dynamically tune the diet for optimum health.

The following criti7ue follows the structure of the web pages, starting with Tom Billings, principal

lure. ote3 text in default font are direct 7uotes from the referenced web page.

troduction

TB: I am a long-time raw-food vegetarian, and have (at different times) followed many of the common raw vegeta

ts: fruitarian, natural hygiene-style, living foods. My current diet is lacto-vegetarian (includes some raw dairy), !-w.

TB: My a%%roach to raw foods is one of realism, moderation, common sense, sanity, honesty, and staying o%en to n

ormation

otice, no mention of biochemistry, science, logical empiricism, ature, our evolutionary diet, or

perientially tuning one's diet for optimum health.

"... realism, moderation, common sense, sanity, honesty, and staying o%en to new information", however, simplyes not relate to biochemistry# and nutritional biochemistry can not be properly addressed, analy9e

even discussed meaningfully with these absolutely irrelevant, completely nonscientific conceptual

stracts.

This is the most common failure of both lay people and "professionals" ali(e who try to discuss die

e. nutritional biochemistry with non-biochemical, indefinable, untestable concepts! it can not be d

his widespread abandonment of biochemistry is the core reason for all the senseless nutribabble

dlessly circulating through contemporary alternate diet forums, boo(s, lectures, etc. ot being ba

chemistry, all this tal( is completely meaningless, misleading, and ultimately dangerous:

TB: &nce you actively thin' for yourself on these issues, you will egin to realie that the extremists want to sell y

m%listic, logically invalid %hiloso%hy, a %hiloso%hy that is ased on a false model of nature.

;uriously, TB fre7uently manifests a pro8ection of his own failures on others! his own overly simpli

gical, and false concepts regarding ature and human diet will be revealed and analy9ed in this

ti7ue.

TB: My other interests include ... *yurveda, the traditional medical+wellness system of India.

ere is the first insight into TB's conspicuously illogical, anti-scientific belief system.


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althy manner! that is, the members of the culture commonly experience "disease". f the local soc

re living in a healthy manner, it would never develop "medical systems" because every person would

healthy as all the other animals on the planet! and thus not "need" a "medical system". "ear-ideal" circumstances and food supply>> ?bsolutely #T:

live in south 2lorida and there is simply # soil here! the southern tip of 2lorida is porous oolite

estone roc(, thinly covered by sterile sand:

n fact, the preparation of the oolite roc( for planting the original orchards was to use dynamite t

st individual holes into which the young trees were planted. ?gain, and of critical importance, ther

# healthy #+ here containing the necessary compliment of minerals, microorganisms, or health-

pporting soil fauna! 8ust sterile sand and porous oolite roc(. ;learly, %&'thing grown here is seve

ficient in trace minerals and other nutrients. Thus, 2lorida produce is essentially grown

droponically, with#@T the necessary nutrients supplied in the irrigation water, as is done in real

droponics::

#T=3 TB consistently ignores the A@?+T of "food" issue! in spite of the fact that poor food

ality is the most serious crises facing people today.

TB: The writings of *rnold 1hret, the ma6or influence on me during this %eriod, teach fruitarianism, ut the a%%roa

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egative and foolish one (something that too' many years for me to realie).

nteresting insights into TB's intellectual process3

he does not elucidate his claims or support them with facts or logic, and

it too( him "many years" to detect this alleged foolishness. t would seem that foolishness would

adily apparent to a functioning intellect.

e misinterprets ?rnold =hret's writing by claiming that3

TB: 1hret taught ... 5mucus,5 ... is claimed to e the root cause of all disease.&rong, =hret taught that e(cess mucus and e(cessive consumption of 'mucus-forming foods' was

prit. ere, TB exhibits a fundamental problem with reading comprehension.


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minated>> o:

"=maciation" implies a serious protein deficiency and the loss of lean muscle. ince most raw food

not experience hunger, and certainly not 'constant hunger', and helton claims that true hunger is

dy's signal that some nutrient is depleted and is felt for a specific food, could this "constant hunge

d his overpowering "cravings" be natural signals that he was starving to death>

&ere these symptoms really the result of rigidly eating a commercial fruit diet of very poor qual

TB: I went on a ;-day water fast. The results were disastrous: my 5light5 mental feeling disa%%eared, my strengthnished and I was wea' and fatigued, and my weight dro%%ed to the life-threatening level of

intelligence to his experience in not even trying to determine what nutrientss were insufficient a

en ad8usting his diet accordingly. ote that this is in direct opposite of the "... realism, moderation,

mmon sense, sanity, honesty, and staying o%en to new information" as claimed, above. ote, this "foolish be

early (illed me". e was so emotionally committed to attaining an impossible goal that he almost

arved himself to death. ;learly, the intellect was not functioning well at the time.

TB: ... extremely emaciated (as many rawists+fruitarians are)

et how does one measure "extremely emaciated">> ince all other species of animal on this plane

olved on and eat a totally raw diet, and they certainly are #T "emaciated" in the slightest, again t

oblem is caused by the nutritional inade7uacies of ;# &e have no idea. The body needs protein, but how much> uman adult

7uire FC/G6 pro in their average diet. %roblems are produced either when too much, or too little,otein is consumed, the quantitative aspect, and especially if animal protein is consumed, the qualita

pect. o, again, TB demonstrates that he simply does not understand the chemical issues involved a

continually ignores both the 7uantitative and 7ualitative aspects of the situation. e finds it easie

derstand simple, dogmatic concepts, li(e "eat only fruit", than doing all that imperative chemical

n(ing, and this was much to his physical/psychological detriment and the reason that his writings a

t based on fact or logic.

TB: I added 2short3 raw lentil s%routs ... to my diet, and I uic'ly started to gain weight and recover from my starv

ndition.

This suggests that the FD6 pro in lentil sprouts shorter sprouting time would produce an even mo

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ncentrated protein may have solved his severe protein deficit problem, and maybe he also pic(ed u

me cho, fats and/or trace minerals missing in the local commercial fruit.

TB: I included lentil s%routs in my diet for some months--until the end of 8" (or so). 1ven when eating s%routs, t was still !@$ raw fruit over the longer-term. My weight returned to what was 5normal5 during the %eriod: around

! %ounds (A!9 'g).

This weight would be about average for a healthy raw-fooder, certainly more healthy than when h

s E4 pounds lighter.

TB: %routs seemed to hel% me, ut they cannot com%are in taste to fresh, never-shi%%ed mangos (the mangos inermar'ets are a %oor imitation of fresh mangos).

?gain the 7uality issue. prouted seeds are certainly not a natural food item for our species! the

n be a useful tric(, perhaps, but the reason they do not taste good is that there are toxins and ant

trients in seeds that prevent animals from eating or digesting them, or they have other chemical

otection from the animal world. imilarly, most leaves are repulsive, and fruit is generally the only

asant-tasting food. The body of the plant, including roots, stal(s leaves and the important

productive seeds, generally have toxic chemical protection that supports the survival of the plant

ecies. 2ruit is the only plant part that is 'intentionally' put our there for animal food, this in exchar the propagation of the seeds, and thus the species, by animals.

?fter claiming lentil sprouts "literally saved my life"...TB: *fter my ody weight normalied, I slowly reduced the amount of s%routs in my diet, and they were eaten onlely during the remaining years of this %eriod (i.e., 8";-8"> o, he had recovered from this "crash" and next he dives bac( into the obviously failed

uitarian diet...

73-1978:

TB: *fter fully recovering from the crash, I ex%erienced a %eriod of aout 9 years when the diet seemed to wor' w

me, at least most of the time. uring this %eriod, cravings were not a %rolem (in retros%ect, I was %roaly overe

h sweet fruit and avocados in the %eriod). I refer to this %eriod as a 5honeymoon5 on the diet. Cot only did the diet

r', ut I achieved the 5holy grail5 of fruitarianism: I was on 8##$ raw fruit for around 9 years. This is a goal that mitarians tal' aout, ut very few achieve

#nce again, referring to diet with theatrical concepts li(e "honeymoon", "holy grail", "goal", and

chieve" emphasi9e TB's approach to diet is that of rigidly following totally irrational dogma, based o

oundless emotions and mythical 7uests, and now even yielding his health to a dogma that he had

rsonally experienced to be impossible to "achieve" and life-threatening under his circumstances of ality fruit: There is clearly no intellect involved, here.

TB: I was on 8##$ raw fruit for around 9 years. I was freuently wea'--followed y %eriods of hy%eractivity--durs %eriod. This is the classic %attern of excess sugar consum%tion: sugar highs, followed y sugar lues--which is wh

that I was %roaly consuming excess sweet fruit during this %eriod.

?gain, any problems were not associated with a healthy, mineral-rich fruit diet, without excess.

TB: I was %roaly consuming excess sweet fruit during this %eriod. %erhaps exacerbated by an inherent problem with sugar metabolism, too>

TB: my wor' too' me overseas to a cold-climate location, where fresh fruit was ex%ensive and of %oor uality. (I w


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erseas aout 9#-9!$ of the time in the 8"-8"< %eriod.) &n one tri%, I lived on a mono-diet of mandarin oranges fe month.

? monodiet of citrus is particularly foolish! citrus contains lots of free acids, and they dissolve th

cium right out of teeth.


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o, we can readily see why TB "uic'ly started to gain weight and recover from my starved condition", as th

routs provided many times more of essential nutrients than oranges could! especially, )* times as

ch protein$ +learly, the wasting of lean muscle mass and the weight dropping to pounds weications of severe protein deficiency.

TB: &n one stressful, cold winter tri% (at the end of the honeymoon %eriod), the heat was not wor'ing in the %lace

re staying= conseuently I had to freee (and nearly starve) for wee's.

?gain, TB's poor 8udgement and self-induced stress, both thermal and nutritional, were responsibl

r creating his problems.

TB: I returned to /lorida, weighing only "! %ounds (; 'g)--my second crash

o, he lost E1 pounds from his healthy weight and did not do anything about that along the way>

ote3 he never tries to ascertain the reason for the weight loss and correct it.

TB: I was ale to uic'ly regain weight y eating a diet that was mostly avocados,

? monodiet being a poor choice. e was focussing on regaining weight, but never nutritional

fficiency. >

ince avocados are essentially fiber-free, they do not stimulate peristalsis and thus tend to move

rough the system much slower than fibrous foods. They also have a high fat content and thus do n

est 7uic(ly. ?nd they tend to produce gas. ?ll of these characteristics tend to produce a bloated

avy feeling in the lower gut which TB may misinterpret as his coveted, but nutritionally-meaningless

lling and satisfying". o, again, TB may be exhibiting an addiction to a misinterpretation of signals

at supports a nonsensical cultural dogma, rather than an understanding of proper nutrition.

=x-drug "addicts" and ex-alcoholics generally agree that it was not the chemical itself that was

ddictive', but rather that their personality and social circumstances were the true cause of the


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ddiction". #bviously, 2 drugs, themselves, were addictive, there would be no e(-drug "addicts".

milarly, people can addict themselves pathologically to money, power, sex, wor(, religion, etc. ... whi

st people can interact with these social constructs in a reasonably healthy manner. ?gain, the pers

t the thing, is responsible for any negativity.

e Perils of Physical Purity

TB: &n the fruitarian diet, your sense of smell is shar%ened consideraly.This is true, as any positive changes in the diet will result in some sharpening of the senses as the

ernal "noise" generated by a toxic body is reduced. =ver TB-li(e, he then goes on to denigrate the

vious positive effect of such enhanced awareness. The sense of smell is a protective and survival

chanism both to attract one to proper food, and repulse one from toxic chemicals and people.

TB: Ehen you ste% on a us or train, you gag ecause of the smell of the %eo%le on oard. Fou meet an attractive

son who also seems attracted to you, ut you cannot get near them ecause of the smell.

ep, meat-eaters stin(: The reason is that their coo(ed animal protein/fat is not digested proper

d thus it putrefies in the intestines by the action of putrefactive bacteria that produce foul-smelli

xic ptomaines, such as indole, s(atole, putrescine, muscarine, neurine, ptomatropine, and cadaverineich then are absorbed into the body to disrupt healthy biochemistry.


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ndamental level.

TB: ravings and hunger increased.

?re these not signals that the same deficiency exists that he had previously created on a poor-7u

uit diet> TB never see(s out the source of, or reasons for, these bodily signals.

TB: I was a%athetic aout eing 5%ure.5

?gain, TB's approach to diet was #T scientific or rational, but as a mythical 7uest.

TB: I literally urned out from the %owerful osession with food that is reuired to e a 8##$ raw fruitarian.

ere, TB admits that he has turned a simple, natural biological function, eating, into a "powerful

session with food", thus indicating the psychopathology he has personally created surrounding this

mple bodily function! a simple bodily function with which all the other millions of animal species have

solutely no problem. e, again, pro8ects his own personal failures onto others. %eople can also turn

her natural functions, such as sex, into obsessions too.

#ne wonders if this "powerful obsession" would be manifest on a quality fruit diet> ;ertainly, one

t obsessed with food if one is eating so as to be healthy.

tural "y#iene-$tyle %iet: 1980-1989

Transition Period &end of 1980 to 198'(

ext, his dietary shifts to ...TB: *fter ending the fruitarian diet, I returned to a conventional coo'ed vegetarian diet. It was lacto-vegetarian, ..e foods that I ate %assed through me and came out the other end loo'ing 6ust li'e they did when I ate them.

This is incomprehensible, as are a lot of his vague musings! does this mean that he did not chew

ything>> #n the other hand, was he so deluded as to thin( that 'normal' digestion on a raw diet wo

oduce the toxic, putrid, homogeneous, odoriferous, constipating fecal mass as experienced by the

at-eater> ?s this putrefaction of excessive, animal protein is not possible on a raw plant-based diee identify of mono-meals will be preserved in the fecal mass! that is3 mangos will produce mango fec

ples will produce apple feces, etc.

TB: This indicated a wea' digestive fire

nteresting -- there is no such thing, digestion is carried out at body temperature by en9ymes, the

no "fire" involved. is repeated attempt at reducing complex biochemical systems to nonsensical

thological fol(lore is another insight in to his total lac( of intellectual functioning or application of

ence! there is no logic in his writing, 8ust flights of imagination and mythology. These nonsensical

ncepts, this one from ?yurveda, are readily accepted as fact by his nonfunctioning intellect.

TB: Ehen one eats mostly fruit, it %asses through the ody uic'ly (without causing gas or readily a%%arent digestet), with, however, little change when it comes out as feces. owever, the lac( of "gas or readily apparent digestive upset" should be understood as a healthy

ocess -- as it should be -- the nutrients are within the cells of the plant material and when food is

operly digested it should leave the remaining cellulose/fiber intact and identifiable as to source.

The only time feces will be significantly different from the "food" is when that "food" is #T

ested properly and then the residues support the proliferation of putrefactive bacteria which

nificantly affect the chemistry/appearance of the feces. 2or example, the toxic amines, foul odor

d hardened, constipating masses of feces in the meat-eater are evidence of putrefaction and


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nstipation, #T proper digestion.

erein, TB exhibits a profound lac( of understanding of digestion.

turn to )a* &198'-1989(

TB: *fter eing on coo'ed food for a while, I returned to eating raw foods. I still considered myself a fruitarian thnowadays I consider my diet in the %eriod as eing closer to natural hygiene in style.

?gain, the problem of obfuscated terminology3 fruitarianism is fruitarianism! atural ygiene, wit

uit, vegs, and nuts/seeds is very different, chemically. TB &0 mentions the chemistry of "foa 7uantitative way, and never mentions any specific nutrient, so he conveys no meaningful informati

is emphasi9es the fact that popular nutribabble, which also ignores both specific nutrients and

antities of them, is totally meaningless.

TB: I would alternate--months on raw, then months on coo'ed, then ac' to raw, and so on.

Thus, no meaningful information can be drawn from such yo-yo dieting, as the body never gets clos

e7uilibrium state on any one diet.

TB: ... one could say that idealism had a strong gri% on me, s%ecifically the sim%listic, yet seductive (and false) idet fruit is the %erfect food, and will guarantee %erfect health.

This emphasi9es a continuing obsession with dogma and false concepts, rather than an ability to lea

om personal experience! this is a prevalent theme throughout TB's writings. There is a difference

tween "idealism" and delusion, apparently lost on TB. ?gain, there is no indication of a functioning

ellect.

TB: I would go on raw to enhance my health, then go off it when cravings ecame a %rolem. (My %rimary %rolem

en raw in this %eriod, was cravings.)

ow he is saying that raw food enhanced his health, and coo(ed food reduced cravings but the he

clined> e does not consider that the "cravings" were signals of malnutrition.

TB: My %rimary %rolem, when raw in this %eriod, was cravings.

;ravings for what>>

TB: ... found that a more diverse raw diet that included short s%routs--the root shoot of the s%rout is aout the lengt

soa'ed seed--wor'ed much etter for me (such s%routs are filling and satisfying, hel%ing reduce cravings)

uch sprouts are also a source of concentrated protein see table, above perhaps helping him rec

om possible protein-starvation resulting from his other dangerous experiments, or is TB revealing t

mmon psychological obsession with the feeling of "being full"! is that what his "cravings" are, in rea

vocados create this "fullness" because they are fatty, do not digest 7uic(ly, and tend to produce gture conditions us to "eat to get full", yet successful raw fooders 7uic(ly discover that the old,

miliar "full feelings" are symptoms of undigested cultural "foods", or indigestible combinations, layin

e stomach, and after some retraining of expectations come to favor the light, empty, energetic fee

ter eating raw meals.

neric )a* ,e#an: 1990-199

TB: I slowly increased the %ercentage of s%routs (and green vegetales) in my diet and decreased the %ercentage oit. This ty%e of diet was easier to follow and more satisfying than the %receding diets.

$id the sprouts and greens bring in protein and trace minerals deficient in his commercial fruit die


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obably, but TB always ignores specific nutrients in favor of the simplistic concept3 diet. This is th

ring error in all his dietary "expertise". $id the "more satisfying" mean that his nutrient deficienc

re being resolved by addition of sprouts and greens, and that also resulted in reduction/elimination

e mysterious "cravings">

TB: I got addicted to dates again--an addiction that lasted nearly a year. (I ate a%%roximately 8 %ound or #.! 'g %e

y.) ugar was a real %rolem for me--%roaly a legacy of my many years on sweet fruit, i.e., the fruitarian years.

%erhaps indicative of inherent sugar metabolism problems> ?s usual, the lac( of meaningful details prevents meaningful

alysis. ?yurveda can not solve any health problems because it is based on ancient superstition and

(lore, and li(e TB it is totally ignorant of biochemistry and nutrition.

TB: * lood test done in late ecemer 8""; showed a serious deficiency of vitamin B-89

This obliviously was not discovered by ?yurveda or yoga. ;ould this be a reason for his extreme

haviors, irrationality, and obsessive ideation and behavior> ;ould this have caused long term damag

e central nervous system that is reflected to this day in his irrational writings>

TB: I now use vitamin B-89 su%%lements

otice, the first mention of a specific nutrient in his whole dietary diatribe::

TB: I also dis-associated myself from wami Gailashananda (the raw foods yogi), as his ehavior over a long %erio

to the inesca%ale view+o%inion that he was thoroughly corru%t.

&hy would it ta(e a "long period" to ma(e this simple observation>>

TB: I got into *yurveda

This is where his fantasy of "digestive fire" comes from. TB seems to compulsively and repeatedly

l into other people's dogma with un7uestioning faith, even though his personal experience repeated

monstrates that such an anti-intellectual approach produces severe problems.

t should be obvious that ?yurveda, li(e ?++ other medical systems, came from a culture that did

ow how to live in a healthy manner, for if the local culture provided a healthy human experience the

uld never be any "medical system" developed by it. Thus, all "medical systems" were developed by

orant, sic( cultures and obviously can not produce health. &orse, "traditional" systems wereveloped before anything was (nown about biochemistry, thus they are nonsensical, and based on the

ol( wisdom" of 7uite ignorant ancient fol(s. This is the reason to avoid "traditional diets" and

aditional medical systems".

TB: In 8"">, under the influence of writers and friends in the yoga and *yurveda communities, I started ex%erimen

h raw dairy in my diet.

otice! he was "under the influence" of people! this is an emotional concept. There is # mention

y facts or logic that support human consumption of raw dairy! there is none. The concept came fro

ture that considers cows to be sacred! the same culture that has deforested itself to produce

despread starvation by both coo(ing and allowing cattle to strip the land of its greenery to produce


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sert.

e .urrent Phase: /acto-,e#etarian 7-902 )a*

TB: My current diet is !-"#$ raw and includes some dairy--mostly raw mil' or yogurt

#bviously, raw dairy is not a part of our evolutionary diet and the rest of the apes seem to do very

ll without it. $oes he really thin( he was suffering from a dairy deficiency, all those years>>

ote, also, that yogurt is used. ogurt is putrefying mil( that is intentionally infected with bacter

he reason it is used traditionally, in cultures ignorant of biochemistry, is that it is well recogni9ed t

w mil( can not be digested properly by the human, so cow mil( is allowed to putrefy somewhat so th

cteria can brea( down some of the more complex, indigestible proteins.

TB: My diet includes s%routs, nuts, avocados, raw vegetales, fruits, dairy, and other foods (raw honey, etc.) vitam

89 su%%lements

Thus, eliminating his apparent previous protein, mineral, cho, fat, and B-CE deficiencies experience

ommercial fruitarian. Then, ignoring that the current diet is obviously far, far superior to his

peatedly-failed commercial fruitarianism experiments, he claims that dairy, alone, is responsible fo

provements.

TB: 1ffectively eliminated %hysical cravings= mil' and yogurt are comfort foods and anti-craving Increased sensell-eing= in other words, I feel etter es, indeed, dairy contains casein, a source of really addictive opioid residues that will, opium-li(

felt as a "comfort food". %erhaps the fol(lore about a glass of warm mil( inducing sleep is a result

ese opioid residues. o, apparently he has traded one set of psychological addictions for a chemica

diction! however, is this progress> ee #pioid Residue section. e may also feel stimulated by the

vine growth hormones in dairy. earch www.notmil(.com for 'hormone'.

TB: and also hel%ed alance me, in *yurvedic termsThere is no such thing as balance when referring to complex, dynamic systems. This term is anot

ce of meaningless, nonscientific fol(lore, and the concepts propagated by people who use it incorre

ould be avoided or scrutini9ed very thoroughly. n fact, the word can be a good 7uac( detector, fo

e people who use this word in reference to complex, dynamic systems are revealing a conceptual

iness and fundamental lac( of intellectual ability.

TB: There is another enefit of using dairy: it hel%ed free me from the negative mindset of vegan anti-dairy

%aganda.

+et's see, he has freed himself from the "negative mindset of vegan anti-dairy propaganda" and h

w accepted the "positive mindset of the pro-dairy propaganda", perhaps> ?gain, by abandoning scied intellectual analysis, TB is hopelessly lost in a ma9e of nonsensical propaganda, endlessly bouncing

om one set of nonsensical concepts to another.

TB: Increased hydration (many raw vegans are dehydrated--I was, efore adding dairy to my diet).

This is an intriguing concept! however, as it is not defined, it is incomprehensible. f one is urinati

gularly, how can one possibly be "dehydrated"> ;learly, raw fooders are consuming lots 01-D1Q6

ter with every meal, and plant-eating animals are most certainly not drying out.

%robably, adding dairy has caused some palpable bloating, mucus storage, and fattening, but this

ould not be interpreted as either healthy or related to "hydration". ?gain, "adding dairy" solved th

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oblem, not his significantly improved diet as a whole.

TB: /inally, I could a%%reciate the gentle nature of Mother cow, and her generosity in sharing her mil' with us.

There is no ature in cows and no cows in ature! they are a grotes7ue genetic mutant, created by

mans to be exploited by humans for economic purposes.

"Henerosity in sharing">> ope, this animal is abused by being (ept pregnant continually, being bre

ecifically to produce huge udders and unhealthy amounts of mil(, and would not voluntarily associate

th humans if it were a natural species. atural animals, wisely, avoid humans. This romantic notion lful "generosity in sharing" is clear evidence of TB's own behavior as "extremists who want to sel

implistic, logically invalid philosophy, a philosophy that is based on a false model of nature". ?nima

mply do not wal( up to humans and offer to share their mil( or body with humans.

TB: H.. Hardon the sarcasm, ut it would not sur%rise me if the %receding remar's motivate some 5com%assionategans to send me 5com%assionate5 hate mail.

ere's that pro8ection of his own faults onto others again. TB is well (nown to send people who

tionally disagree with his mindless dogma in public forums personal "hate mail". e has done so to m

d others that have e-mailed me.

TB: My current diet includes aout 8#-9!$ coo'ed foods: mostly steamed vegetales such as roccoli, as%aragus,

ng eans. 0ately I have een eating some rice, in the form of 'hitcharee, a mixture of asmati rice and s%lit mungans, mildly s%iced, that is very easy to digest.

trange, he thin(s his fruit did not digest, but he also believes that a concentrated

arch/concentrated protein mixture would digest properly. ere, TB reveals his ignorance of helto

od combining for optimum digestion concept, which can be validified by personal experience. f he

e poor combinations during his failed fruitarian experiments, this could also be a cause of some

oblems.

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a few of the many fears %romoted y fruitarian extremists.

otice that the intellect is not used! rather, "fear" is the motivation. Thus, the error of ta(ing a

otional approach to one's diet. have never seen these "fears" being promoted! perhaps, this is

other pro8ection of TB's ego>

TB: I allowed the ogus fear of mucus, and the drive to e 5%ure5 (mucusless, %er the title of 1hret7s oo'), to dom

.

2inally, an admission that TB wallowed in emotional negativity, and that his emotions controlled hi

et, not rationality or an experiment to determine optimum health. ince =hret's boo( was written irman, it is un(nown what his original Herman title was, or how accurately it was translated into =ng

thout seeing the Herman version. =hret did not advise one to fear mucus, as TB suggests.

TB: Those extremists who %romote fear (of coo'ed food, %rotein, mucus) ...

?re there really such people>> #ne should always see( out the reasons for dietary

commendations, and chec( to see if they are valid and supportable by rationality and scientific

edibility. #bviously, one should not ma(e lifestyle decisions based on fear, as apparently TB does.

TB: The light feeling of a fruit diet is ungrounded, airy, a feeling of a%athy and not eing connected.

=xtrapolating his own admittedly disastrous results with their distortions of consciousness to any

ting a nutritious fruit diet is obviously impossible! another example of his pro8ecting his own failure

to others.

TB: ... in *yurvedic terms, it may indicate a vata imalance in the nervous system

?nother indication of TB's remar(able ability to embrace anyone's convenient dogma of the day w

nd faith while consistently abandoning rationality. ere's a definition of vata! does it ma(e any sen

all>

"Mata governs all movement in the mind and body. t controls blood flow, elimination of wastes,

eathing and the movement of thoughts across the mind. ince %itta and Iapha cannot move withoutta is considered the leader of the three ?yurvedic %rinciples in the body. t's very important to (e

ta in good balance."

s there any way to actually detect or measure this mythical entity. ope: ?gain, the misuse of t

rd balance by falsely applying it to complex systems should have raised the Red 2lag of ncredulity

TB: &ther advocates disualify themselves y dis%laying the hostile, mentally unstale ehavior of ealots (fanaticremists). ... I was %roaly no etter.

This accurately describes TB's approach to diet and his writing style.

TB: ...in my o%inion, the iggest criticism of fruitarianism is that it is dishonest in so many ways? concept that is dishonest> ? concept may be valid or invalid, but people are the only entities th

n be dishonest. Thus, critici9ing "fruitarianism" because of the low 7uality of commercial, hybridi9e

uits is dishonest.

TB: Meanwhile, in reality, all the great a%es delierately eat some animal foods, ecause that is their natural diet

ot so. unting and flesh-eating among chimps is a cultural, not a nutritional, behavior. 2 it were

tritional imperative, then all adults would consume it regularly, and that is simply not the case, amo

e chimps or the other apes.

TB: ... the fossil record %rovides overwhelming evidence that the evolutionary diet of humans included animal foo

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ere, TB demonstrates his well-developed ability to distort the meaning of scientific evidence to

pport unscientific, nonsensical claims. ;learly, animals eating a plant-based diet leave no fossil

dence. #n the other hand, the human "fossil record" is the result of cultural practices and tools

ub, ax, (nife, fire, ..., most certainly not natural phenomena. 2 flesh-eating were a part of the

volutionary diet of humans", then 1H0 are the 2&3T2&+T3 for humans to ill and eat raw

mal flesh>> &here are our physiological tools to ma(e it possible>> $o the misguided believers in

ac(pot %aleo $iet (ill and eat their animals raw, with their bare hands, as do all natural species that

lude animal flesh in their diet>>This "fossil evidence" occurs only in the cold climates where the natural diet of our species does

t e(ist, and the lac of proper vegetation in the cold months necessitated flesh-eating.

Ta(ing an animal species thousands of miles away from its proper ecological niche, thus denying it

cess to its natural diet, then inventing tools, culture, and domesticating fire, and finally falsely claim

at this cultural behavior somehow is related to the "evolutionary diet" of the creature is simply

ellectually dishonest. nvo(ing this very recent fossil record in an attempt to 'prove' that the nat

et of our species included flesh is as meaningful as archeologists some C1,111 years in the future

(ing at today's garbage heaps and similarly falsely inventing our "evolutionary diet" from this rece

tural evidence. t can not be done:

TB: The extremists who %roclaim themselves as %erfectly healthy, when they are so emotionally unhealthy that the

nnot res%ond to criticism of their ideal diet in a civil, rational manner.

TB manifests exactly this behavior! again pro8ecting it on others. e personally caused so much

aos on a raw food mailing list that he caused himself, ohn ;oleman, and myself to be thrown off th

t, as ohn and had presented rational counter-arguments to his groundless dogma. e also has a

putation of sending personal hate e-mail to people that disagree with him in public! again myself, and

hers have experienced this 8uvenile behavior.

ssons fro the !atural "y#iene Phase45oidin# the Trap of 6orshipin# "erert $helton

&ho claims we should worship helton>

TB: *lthough I disagree with helton on a numer of %oints

owever, none are given or explained. ?s usual, no facts or logic are presented to support TB's

iefs. helton's dietary recommendations are pretty simple3 all raw, fruits/vegetables/nuts-seeds,

operly combined for optimum digestion. &hat are TB's disagreements>

her /essons in This Period

TB: * diverse raw diet in which fruit is only a minor com%onent is etter than a diet in which fruit is the dominant

d, as sweet fruit (with its am%le sugar content) %romotes cravings.

ince humans are frugivorous apes, a predilection to fruit is 7uite natural, as it is with the other a

wever, undefined "cravings" are unnatural. owhere does TB define these cravings, nor see( out

eir source. ?pparently, Mirginia Metrano reports that protein deficiency may produce cravings for

eet foods. &ell-nourished people experience neither 'hunger', nor 'cravings'. TB has seemingly

aded his undefined "cravings" for opioid addiction via bovine beverage! is that progress>

?t least, here is the first admission that a diverse diet is recommendable! however, the benefit m

more from the minerals and other nutrients in the non-fruit foods, rather than some unsupported


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im that "sweet fruit promotes cravings".

TB: * long-term %attern of freuent short-term changes in diet (e.g., freuent ra%id shifts from coo'ed to 8##$ raw

d ac') is not good for you in the long run--it disru%ts digestion and %romotes cravings s that what caused some of TB's problems> ow it "disrupts digestion and promotes cravings" is

the fertile imagination. ote3 no support for these (inds of far-reaching assertions is ever given.

eviously, too much fruit caused "cravings"! now it is flip-flopping between raw and coo(ed.

TB: It is wise to e very s'e%tical of the 5ex%erts5 and 5diet gurus,5 es%ecially if their writings contain a lot of nond very little factual content.

ou will notice that this describes TB's writings perfectly -- no facts, no logic, no analysis, no scie

gain, his fre7uent pro8ection of his own flaws onto others.

ssons Fro the /ast T*o Phases &1990 to Present(

TB: aw diets do not guarantee %erfect or even 6ust %lain old 5excellent5 health. My own health %rolems and tho

ers (friends and rawists on the email listgrou%s) attest to that.

TB never even attempted to consume a quality raw diet, he did not attempt to eat sufficient

antities of specific nutrients, he merely ping-ponged between different, totally inade7uate diets, anb8ected himself to repeated thermal stress. The "failures" of the few do not invalidate the succes

the many. There are many thousands of people who are 7uite pleased with their results on a raw d

f all the other species of +ife on this planet manifest perfect health on a raw diet, and humans ar

e only species that "fails" on a raw diet of commercial produce, then it would seem obvious that the

or 7uality of the commercial human diet, thermal stress, and the validity of the human's understand

e the causes of any problems.

TB: By the way, wild animals eating a raw, truly natural diet often die of disease.

Really> #ften>> ere's where some credible data would help, but we get none! 8ust TB'sthoritative, unsupported assertions. t should be obvious that humans are the sic(est species on th

net! the only one with rampant, diverse "degenerative" and acute diseases.

TB: ... or you have swallowed the lie that medical doctors are ad. ee a ualified health %rofessional if you have

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This describes TB's attachment to dietary dogma perfectly.

TB: Cature has many mysteries, and healing is, at least in %art, one of them.

ince "disease" is concentrated in the human domain! the only way to health is to try to emulate t

tural condition, especially diet, and let our genetic programming do its 8ob. That is not particularly

sterious.

TB: Be o%en to new ideas and information.

ere's some new-to-TB ideas3 commercial fruit and vegetables are of very poor quality! it isportant to consume a sufficient quantity of various nutrients! the other frugivorous apes consume

ves and nuts/seeds! when you weigh 00 pounds, you may have a serious protein deficiency! tal( abo

ets that ignores the specifics of biochemistry is totally meaningless.

?gribi9 is developing "new ideas" regarding the genetic manipulation of food crops to increase

ustrial profit by recent "advances" is biotechnology! should we really embrace the totally untested

an(enfoods currently being dumped into our food supply without our (nowledge or consent>

TB: Ehen you are o%en to new ideas, a whole new world awaits you.

+i(e his other simplistic dogma, this one is faulty! he ignores the fact that ideas may be credible olish. owhere does he try to determine the credibility of the concepts he holds or propagates.

TB: I invite you to 6oin me--and the others on this site--in ex%loring this world, the world called reality.

ere's a piece of reality TB consistently ignores3 the only language that enables one to discuss hu

trition in a valid manner is biochemistry, and all dietary diatribe that ignores chemical thin(ing is

tally meaningless, li(e the great ma8ority of the beyondveg website.

d !otes

TB: Fou can learn from my mista'es...2?++, an admission that = made mista(es! his personal errors, however, do not invalidate any

ssible successful experimentation with nutritious high-7uality foods in the proper thermal environm

till, he does #T identify his mista(es and correct them. =.g., he now lives in an 2rancisco, a co

mp, essentially sunless environment, very different, and much more stressful, than our proper Trop

ological niche. o, his body is still under constant thermal and nutritional stress, and deviations fro

e human evolutionary diet are necessary to cope with this stress. is personal choice to live in an

vironment unnatural for our species, however, does #T invalidate our evolutionary diet, our

olutionary biochemistry, or our proper ecological niche.

TB: ... for years, I tried to forget %arts of my fruitarian ex%erience

nstead of learning from it> ?nother indication of unhealthy mentation.

TB: 1ncouraging you to thin' for yourself is a %rime goal of this site. My writings, and those y others on this site

antidote to the nonsense and misinformation %romoted y dietary extremists. ounds good, yet there is no analytical thin(ing apparent on the site.

The fundamental and critically-important concepts of the quality and quantity of "foods" and spec

trients is uniformly ignored. The only language applicable for both thin(ing about, and communicati

out, "food" is biochemistry, yet biochemistry is totally ignored. owhere in this article does TB ev


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y to determine his nutrient deficits and then endeavor to correct them. e is hopelessly lost in a

nceptual ma9e of irrelevant, nonsensical, abstract philosophy ideal diet, filling and satisfying,

urveda, etc., and he remains so to this day! thus, he is totally unable to detect, comprehend, or

minate his serious nutritional deficiencies. e consistently ignores the fact that commercial produ

of very poor nutritional 7uality, and that it has been genetically-manipulated for economic purposes

ch as si9e, shipability, etc., most certainly not for nutritional 7uality.

There is no rational, scientifically-credible thin(ing presented in this article, or on beyondveg in

neral, 8ust pseudoscientific, anti-vegetarian/vegan propaganda, apparently written by similarly "failgetarians/vegans, the purpose of which is to ta(e the responsibility for "failures" from the errors

sadventures of the "failed" individual and pin it on a specific meaningless philosophy, while promotin

t other unsupportable and meaningless philosophies.

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