Thomas Was an Unbelieving Apostle

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am sorry if you feel that way. and you maybe right i don't know.

however, skipping my articles is your prerogative. so dont worry about it.

in the end, the loss maybe yours not mine.

more importantly, please notice that the confusion YOU W ERE

COMPLAIN IN G ABOUT, STEMMED D IRECT LY from your Judea-

Christian scriptures, which in turn presented various opposing views and not

just the one view to which youve subscribed.

you gave us a sensational FAITH-BASED piece of writing there, which

covered some aspects of the crucifixion without giving any real proof thereof.

your own scriptures, especially the 4 gospelsdid not corroborate your

presentation in every detail. the rest was refutable as well. the new testament is

all i need to do the perfect job of it.

however, i dissected your article briefly by showing you that the old and the

new testaments spoke differently from millenniums past.

please review all the scriptural verses cited therein and my brief notes, text and

contexts with an open mind .

dont feel threatened.

welcome the opportunity to learn anew.

let the truth ennoble you and not scare you.

1. remember, the so-called crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ

did not take place ever.

2. this was a Judea-Christian scriptural fact.

read and review your own scriptures again.

i have given you ample material to get started and work on. simply start by

verifying the scriptures i have quoted.


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follow the trend. or make your own connections.

dont approach your scriptures with certain preconceived notions or try to

guide the scriptures.

they will only mislead you one too many times. and you will never know it.

3. Jesus was saved as DIVINELY promised.

4. do not contend with the DIVINE.

read the Psalms of David as quoted and substantiated by all 4 gospels

and the book of Hebrews.

THE SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE IS RIGH T THERE.

5. more importantly, Thomas DEMANDED EVIDENCE of crucifixion

from Jesus.

6. some 8- eight days later, Jesus concurred/conceded and provided

THE EXACT SAME EVIDENCE demanded of him.

7. however, there was no mention of the NAILED FEET in either johannine

accounts.

8. but your sensational account spoke otherwise.

REMEMBER THAT ONE DEMAND ED T HE EVIDENCE AND T HE

OT HER CON CEDED.

W HAT OT HER EVIDENCE ARE W E LOOKIN G FOR?

the fake shroud of turin?

9. and for his faithless or hypocritical outburst, Jesus Christ not only rebuked

Thomas lightly;


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10. but more importantly, Jesus Christ blessed the FUTURE GENERAT IONS

OF BELIEVERS. and not T homas. that is telling is it not?

[John 20:28 KJV]

And T homas answered and said unto him,

My Lord and my God.[John 20:29 KJV]

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, BECAUSE thou hast seen me, thou hast believed:

BLESSED ARETHEY THAT HAVE NOT SEEN, AND YETHAVE BELIEVED.

why did not JesusChrist bless hisapostle for declaring his DIVIN ITY, IF

IN DEED JESUS W AS DIVIN E? T HIN K ABOUT IT .

11. remember Jesus provided the EXACT SAM E EVIDENCE of his

crucifixion, DEMANDED OF HIM .

but this was not the complete STORY.

I PROVIDED OTHER VIEW S AS W ELL.

the CONFUSION CITED was created in the scriptures only. i merely

reproduced it, to your dismay.

prove me wrong by quoting the new testament ONLY.

dont go cherry-picking as far as the Isaiah prophecies, etc. because the new

testament did not substantiate those prophecies fully.


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i showed you a pre- Islamic account of crucifixion, in order to show that

JESUS FEET W ERE NOT NAILED.

see my brief notesand what was highlighted therein for your perusal.

but you deliberately misinterpreted it for your personal reasons and attack on

me. so dont blame me if you chose to ignore it.

the johannine and the re-islamic evidence were tied together. thusnegating

your sensational hypothesis again.

and by the way, Jesus did not die of crucifixion according to the pre-Islamic

account. i have said nothing about it either.

the Islamic vis--vis the QURAN IC view remains unchanged and

unchallenged to date in all this.

we have the pre-islamic evidence in our favor namely, the torah, the old

testament, the new testament, the archeological and historical accounts to

prove it.

just take it as is. no twists and turns no if and buts. just take it from the

horses mouth.

it is not a FAITH-BASED issue. it is a proven fact.

i gave detailed facts in my write-ups, corroborating and collaborating one

account with the other. all i ask is that you use your intelligence and connect

the dots.

but you find them confusing. because that iswhat your Judea-Christian

scriptures says.

and not because i disclosed them.

feel free to verify it.


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my earlier Reply

by ali

I SHALL NO T DIE, BUT LIVE

but he hath not given me

over unto death

(Psalms 118:17 ERRB) [19 & 17]

I shall not die, but live,

and declare scribe

the works of the LORD Yah .

(Psalms 118:18 ERRB) [19, 18 & 18]

In disciplining,

The LORD Yah hath

chastened disciplined me sore :

but he hath not given me

over unto death.

^^^^^^


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COMPARE THE EVENTS IN JESUS CH RIST 'S LIFE AS W ELL

(H ebrews 5:7 KJV)

W HO IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH,when he had offered up prayers

and supplications

with strong crying and tears

unto him that was able to

SAVE HIM FROM DEATH,

AND W AS HEARD IN THAT H E FEARED;

(H ebrews 5:8 KJV)

Though he were a Son,

YET LEARNED he obedience

BY T HE THIN GS W HICH HE SUFFERED;

note

JESUS CHRIST DID NOT DIE, BUT LIKE DAVID BEFORE HIM ,

HE ALSO SUFFERED AT THE HAN DS OF HIS ENEMIES.

HOW EVER, NO DEAD PERSON EVER LEARNS OBEDIENCE,

SAY, AFTER HIS DEATH.

Though he were a Son,

YET LEARNED he obedience

BY T HE THIN GS W HICH HE SUFFERED;

UNW ILLING SACRIFICE or suicide

[1]

UN TO H IM


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THAT W AS ABLE

TO SAVE HIM FROM DEATH,

AND W AS HEARD

in that he feared;

[2]

REMOVE THIS CUP FROM ME

(Luke 22:42 KJV)

(H ebrews 5:7 KJV)

W ho in the days of his flesh,

when he had offered up

PRAYERS AND SUPPLICAT IONS

W ITH STRON G CRYIN G AND T EARS

UNT O HIM

THAT W AS ABLE

TO SAVE HIM FROM DEATH,

AND W AS HEARD

in that he feared;

HIS GREATEST FEAR

Then saith he unto them,

MY SOU L IS

exceeding sorrowful,

even unto death:

tarry ye here,

and watch with me.


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(M atthew 26:38 KJV)

And saith unto them,

MY SOU L IS

exceeding sorrowfulunto death:

tarry ye here,

and watch.

(M ark 14:34 KJV)

YESHUA WAS AFRAID TO DIE A SPIRIT UAL DEATH.

HIS SOUL WAS EXCEEDINGLY SORROW FUL UNTO DEATH .

compare

W atch and pray,

that ye enter not into temptation:

the spirit indeed is willing,

but the flesh is weak.

(M atthew 26:41 KJV)

W atch ye and pray,

lest ye enter into temptation.

The spirit truly is ready,

but the flesh is weak.

(M ark 14:38 KJV)

Saying, Father,if thou be willing,

remove this cup from me:

nevertheless not my will,

but thine, be done.


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(Luke 22:42 KJV)

And there appeared

an angel unto him from heaven,

strengthening him.

(Luke 22:43 KJV)

And being in an agony

he prayed more earnestly:

and his sweat was

as it were great drops of blood

falling down to the ground.

(Luke 22:44 KJV) - (ref: Hebrews 5:7 KJV)

YESHUA WAS AFRAID TO DIE A PHYSICAL DEATH.

HIS FLESH W AS W EAK.

CORROBORATION

http://www.bsw.org/Biblica/Vol-81-2000/T he-Crux-At-Hebrews-5-

7-8/294/

James Swetnam, The Crux at Hebrews 5,7- 8, Vol. 81 (2000) 347- 361

Heb 5,7-8 is a classic crux. It is not clear, as the text seemsto say, how

Jesus could beg to be freed from death and then be heard `although He

was son'. Further, it is not clear how Jesus could learn obedience from

the things He suffered' since Hebrews pictures Him as antecedently

ready to do God's will.

One of the classic crucesin the Epistle to the Hebrews is the passage at

Heb 5,7-8 which speaks of the petitions made by Christ.

There are a number of problemsassociated with these verses, but one


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problem is crucial: Jesus seems to be pictured as begging to be saved

from death and as having been heard.

But this seems to contradict the obvious fact that Jesus died

James Swetnam, The Crux at Hebrews 5,7- 8, Vol. 81 (2000) 347- 361

[snip a solution proposed].

Thomas was an unbelieving apostle.

[John 20:24 KJV]

But T homas, one of the twelve,

called Didymus,

was not with them when Jesuscame.

^^^^^^^^^^^

HIS PRECISE DEMANDS AND CO NDIT IONS

[John 20:25 KJV]

The other disciples therefore said unto him,

W e have seen the Lord.

But he said unto them,

Except I shall see

1. in hishands the print of the nails,

2. and put my finger

3. into the print of the nails,4. and thrust my hand into his side,

5. I will not believe.

^^^^^^^^^^


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note

Thomas asked for no more -- not even for Jesus

N AILED FEET!

therefore, did T homas witness the actual crucifixion?

how could he be so precise?

Jesus concurred and offered the exact same evidence asked for.

HE ALSO REBUKED THOMAS LIGHT LY.

[John 20:27 KJV]

Then saith he to T homas,

1. Reach hither thy finger,

2. and behold my hands;

3. and reach hither thy hand,

4. and thrust it into my side:

5. AND BE NOT FAITHLESS,

BUT BELIEVING.

if the above johannine account was true then - 'H ow much truth is in

this email about "jesus." - is nothing more than a piece of sensational

writing, intended for just that purpose ONLY.

faith power works wonders.

additional supporting PRE-ISLAM IC

ARCHEOLOGICAL evidence also cited below.

AN 'EYE-W IT NESS' ACCOUNT RELATED

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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only 7- -seven passovers--years

after the event - - by a personal

friend of jesus in jerusalem to an

esseer [essene] brother in _a_l_e_x_a_n_d_r_i_a._

important warning

'after this they drove through

HIS HAN DS thick iron nails,

'BUT _N_O_N_E_

THROU GH H IS FEET,

FOR THIS W AS _N_O_T_ CUSTOMARY'

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

the text and context

i. THEY T IED T HE ARMS

ii. AS USUAL with strong cords,

and so tightly ...

iii. in the same manner

THEY _T_I_E_D_ HIS FEET .....

i. after this they drove through

HIS HAN DS thick iron nails,

===>'BUT _N_O_N_E_

===>THROUGH HIS FEET,

===>FOR THIS W AS _N_O_T_ CUSTOM ARY'


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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

iii. i note this particularly, my dear brethren, inasmuch as

===>IT HAS BEEN RUMORED^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

iv. that he was nailed through both his hands

and his _f_e_e_t_ [pp. 60]

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