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Allega tions J.!ade 1.Gai nst Captain Sc; l• l t~ Salvation Lr my Officer i11 t he Fosi tio1:. of Housefe.ther at Kangaroo Unit , Al kire.

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Recen tly s ome a llegations were mad e agai n s t Captain Schult ~ by t v10 beys who had absc onc1 ed frOl!i Al k ira , one of these being ~~o has absconded on two occasi ons and on both t i mes he s ou2_)j t refuge a t t he Hare I~rishn2. Te_iple . iie tave stateuents to one of tl:e a evotees e .. na was intervi ewed c11 5th Jul31 by J.-.::r . :Gv ru1s, Ci1ild Ce.re Officer for Alkir·2 .• i~ore :cecently wben he e.bsc ona ea for the second ti1ile , he gave a furt11er stateD ent to the Ho.re l~rishn.a. oevotee ana t his included t·c1e state1.~en-c that Captai n Schul tz :~::ractices l'Jo.if1csexual s.cts on boys in his cure and that one boy ~G Jtold his father of Schultz ' activities ru1d thnt tbis ac tion usually took place bet\.,een 9.00 a.no 9.30 p. :·!1 .

IGG ] '.~l;.o ue-.1t to 1~ i.s f2th ·;r ' ~ J:::ci_'sG D.:~ter absccnc: int: E.lf::o l;.iade c. \.i:citter. st.""'.tG:.:ent \·:;·Jic ' is still beld by Lr . ~ c:nd w~~i ch i·!3.S s2.id to contain the allcB2ti~ Capt ain Schultz GOt into bed v.ri t!~ b i m on occasions &.i1d tb~t he 2.sked 0aptc;.in ::.:c'·iul tz to sto:"'I a oin.; this wl'~ich he a i a' thc;.t other boys were a.sleep at the tiL! e c:nd l1e a id u ot J. :.n.ow of tbe &o.11e tl:in.:_ 1!2.pJ.:e11in:_ to ru1y other boy .s .

Upon furthe1· e1:r,:ui:Cj· \ii.1ic1~ ir .. clu(ieo c.liscu~.:.:ici::::. \,i th ~ .. c. Joui.:.,111.n, Sv.~ervi siuc Cbild Cai~e (::::'fie er c»nCl ~.:x: . ::.:.'vc..::.1s Chila C?.:re Officer , bot!"~ o: \·;l;oL. lK c1 b.<:.d p:reli.:Ui21~n:y d i~c"-lsc:i Oils 2.bol.1t the all <:=wa ti 01-:s wi tlj Ca1r:.~ c.in i-r ilson , t!-:e 3u_ eri11te1'!8e.:!t 0f .t l lcir.s., ~~e follo~i:!~ rPl~ted Ette~s wer. ascertained.

.. I" ~:o.c toJa :: i1ct '.1~r boy

of b i s c lai~ thrt .:.;;ot i nto bed -.;i th l·;it.: .

:; • T11at Ca pt< i n l::: chv.l tr... sit::; on the boy r: "i.:1:-ci s ~'.t ::1i ...... l~t .

:r1~ : t 82 .. 1J~~c,.i _: ;Jcl'!-t'.i.J_ -'G.z l1~s l; ~ er.1. sPe1·; ,,:i t:j n. l:;o .:, . ft-:r lii:J:t s cu t L·; t:.-:ie ki tcl"i en i n the de:ck .

;~'!:0 l~:J1~se.· 2 .. s 1~ ·;:c i i1 l~· a .. n.:2J .. "OO 1Jot·~.: .. ~e 11a~s <:-ill r?._ea t~:at 82:._f'd.;c.i.:.: :Jc111JJ. -~s \:.ir· ;.:; c:t·,s0:.:·v.'=a 'bJ ; ~.::o t' r:r o:r:'f5.c e:r .show.:::c i.::.z '11i t 1• t.:· ·-:· ce bo..:'s irl ·;;i-.,:; s.:,::Je cubic l e. · .. 11en quer·ied b~' C 2.pta.i :o. ·.:iJ.s c.:~;, , C<?..ptc:i i !1 ::::c: t'. 2. t z c e~.i t•D t11::.·~ :. 0 vias :i..n ·clH~ 2c:t!:·2 e:1.l1 .. icle t.1.·:t c·.t5 ~ii.1Gt 0cl t h :-. t 1-1.:; \! ... s ::·!:c .... .rc·i~ii.:.:._: 111 ·1;1:e t·:.3rs

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Recentl y some allegations were made agai nst Captain Schultz by t •110 boys wh o had abs cond ea fr01a Alki:c2. , one of t h ese beine:;; ~vi/10 ha s absconded on two occasions ~imes he sou.~):it refuge at t:1e Hare Krisbne. Te __ 1ple . He gave state:.iients to one of the devotees and was interviewed on 5tb July by ".L·:ir . Jivans , Ci1ild Care Officer for .Lilkir-2 .• i.:ore recently wben he absconoea for the second time , he gave a further stateJ!,ent to the Hare Krishna devotee and t~1is includec1 t "ue statei,:el1't that Captain Schultz Jractices homosexual s.cts on boys in his care and that one boy ~G !told h i s fat~er of Schultz ' c:;.ctivities an.a thn.t tl1is a.e;tion usually took ; l ac e 'oe 't·;,een 9 . 00 a:na 9.JO p . ::l .

IGG I ;fco ~ieTt to l:is :f2 th ~r ' s c~oi_1s~ aft\;r absccnairn;: also ~ade a ,,,rritten stn.te::.ent \·1:iic" is still held by Lr . IGG 13..Ild 1,.r:1ich w~s sa.id to contain the allef2tion th~t Captain Schultz GOt into 1JP.d wi tl· h i m on oc~ 21.sion:=; ::..n:J tb::i..t be c:isked 0apta.in :.Jc';',Jltz to stO) cJoiil6 this Wl!ich he did , ti1e.t other boys ·were asl eeI' at th3 ti1 le 2.n"J l1e did not :·:nov1 of t~~e so.we t1Jin_ ~}~.p ... enin~ to <u1y oth~r boys .

Upon furth2•: ei.!.i,:1-1. irj- ·.1i!icl~ i.c .. clull :O?J c.I i acus.:; i or:.s \,i th i-!.·. Jou~)l i..n, Su9ervi sin~ Giiild Care Cl'f i ce;:- c·:·1d i ·:: . :.:v2:1c:; C:hild C.:-.n"~ Cfficer, l:otc. o:"' v1ho:.. 11-,1 1:::-.a .:.'r::?li~1i. _!;:; -.·~7 <Ji~cus~.io.:.1.s 2.boui; tJ.1z -:.11.J.._,s.tior..s "·1· ..... ,. C"" 'J""·- ·L,... I i' l "'On ···~-~ ~·n ~•"1' "1-"-on~~··t of' ·11~ i-r•':" ,, t.!J .... ..,u~-- - •· _.._. ., ~· c , J,._t.= ___ i.. ___ v ___ - l -"-·-"' '

J.;:·1 2 :follo1: ·i_:!.~ rr·l~·-:.1-::•J :.. :_ :;-J_"''2 H•3:.£' 2scertaii':ea .

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~nd told _nothsr boy 0 I ~: U:> C 1 Cl.i.., ·!; :~, .- T.

_sot i 12to bed \·ii th l: i 1: . •

r:i .,., ..... C"' .1- •• • . ,, ~c1" ·1 t·· ~ ~ . ·. ·- . th.,,+ '1-.L 11, .. l. <'.lJ1.1.-.l.c_ ,.; ul.,_ ·'• c,;C ... l v .. ea _ .;..v l c-

l:~d ~:is~ea IGG IC:'!..;.ed _yR-:r'.'s) c.:iid ot '.1 :r .__ OJS .;ood1n .... ·t .

Ca pt .'." in :.jC'.l:.J.lt~ .. Sit::.: Oil the ~JO .:,·: c~t ~ii_l~t .

4. . 'l'~ t :! :."'"J·.;r .. i_ ,2(; :~1~1 tz :1'='.f! 1: ~ ar-.L Sf"e• ~ ·,: i t:~ o. ~·;o ., . ft-:~<:' li,;)~t .=.; 0 1 1t L. ~;:~e };:it·~:-.e·r: ia ·t;l1::? 6?!:1;: .

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Cc..pts.in Schult:;~ i c sc.ia -~o hc:ve e::c:u-ined -~J1e tE·sti cl es of n "r:oy ': !.~.o cu:~.;;1::-.ineo of

• • ..L1 ' t, • L"t • .. a fC.J.11 J.:!1 1,, ;:_.~:t.. <?.'.C'(·H. , ·c~12·c uiil.8 :~8.l-~8l'•e Oll t .. c .: i..:..h t-: ::..'i.;.1L!i:::_; .rid th2t 01:..ce , ~L~!Ci o·i; ' ::i.' ~-O j':~ \/ere E·l::;G rr-eSc~lt . Cavtr.i ';iilso:.! :l2.s s.:_..o~\:er1 to Cei-;tai .. l 3cbul tz :y1 ... :-Yiou.slj,. z.to·.,t t':t~ in<r:l:roxciat:.;nen:::: cf tl;:. i:: • T!:e 'cc~ ' s :r.:.n:.....e rJ(:.S REDACTED

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I c-po1·e ;-o !".1j11.1D)r ~'oo"t -.;;: . .,.11~·-:-+i,..,11s i.;.I .t- I.I L fl • C~ I,. .. ._ ·~ c,; - '"' b .:.\ '-'" - \,,,."

of hmJose:;.~ucl actr:,; c-... a follo·,1L11._. a de"!:;aile:: disct.s::;ior.1. 8ll.d t_UCStio:ni.iJ.(.J he 8.0.i.'eec~ th;::~t !:e Cv ... tl c.1 . !O t defini tel~• : .. e..ke this £'.lle. a ti or, ~1i::iself a.62,inst C<:'.TGai ri Lcln. l tz . Ei ;::. all0e;_<:,tiQj:~ t'be:. boiled do\r!l to -'-.;be~ following ste.tel.1Entc :

1 o IGG I he.a t o ia 111.fl the. t Cap ~2 i \1 S~ ultz bad ;ot int~ bed wi th :1w . Eowever he did not kll O':i ru:.y fur·t;her details or V1he th er a ny t h in.;_; ha.ppened .

REDACTED 2 . IGG I ana had tolcJ lum that Captain Scht!l tz had l;:i ssed tben goodnig,ht .

3 . Th :.-.t on one occasion \-.rhen be was outside the build iu~s ne2r the ki tcben , he as:_ea Captain Sclrnl·cz if be c oul c3 ,s o s wL.1: .ini::; ana Ca.ptain Schultz tur ned a:..'otmd UH] t ou ched bh·1 on the private a r ea outside t be clott ing w~ich he was weerins.

This third rathe r VR~ue allegation a~peared t h ei1 to be t be only a efini te one fr or11 ltJ::w.rt;l3for further i nvestigation .

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Capts.in Schul tr,,; i z Sc.id t o nav e e:xa::.:ined t he testicles of c). 1~oy •.·:lo e:o ._.!..:- l:?.i!1e6 of ~oain i n +::8.:~ e.J~·· .. ~ , t~1-:- ·:'. t' ~ .; -=-· -,,,., .... -.... e·1cd 0 ;1 _ v v .. ..,;. v .. - ..L. - -~ c:-4. ~.., J: L- - - -

t ... o .~ i ... ) ..... i: s ::.•t...n:1i::::_: T.. 0J th2. t mi.c e , t 1.:o ot '· .:-r '...o j·:.5 \/ere c .. l:::;o r rese!1t . Ce._ptc:.i·! ~ilson has c~o~en to Captaiu Schultz ::_;:c;:;vi ousl y a.tout t 1;e i11B.p1)ro:;:n:·iateness cf th::..s . ?!::.e CC\;' ' s nni.;..e was REDACTED

Discussions w: t~ 8.lld GG

It Fri.::.: -C:; l t that ·~ )1e a l:i.e .:.ations ·.1ere .L!.O J.; " ·=>cJ.." f'ie; o;· · L· ~ -"r. · ·:-1·, ···.: tC b 0 t ~ .. ,,,.., :-' . .,. f'o -r· · "'u~"·'-~-ior t..>.i."'- -- ~- ... - l ._, .L'..J.L u .. ...,_ - ._ ........ 1 . t . ,.J _ ·- L .. .i.. L1 -·-

L1VeStj_:_f .. tiOHS so I :-".:!..·:i:an[;ed ·~o f::ij_.)eu. ~ to t~'l"'Sc:: t 1 o ho"' • o·,1 13 ·t11 Jul~~ ' I \.O.S "!;n.~ -::~l to c. house ::.~ REDACTED • • · • by ~ fevotee of t}e Eare : risana s ec ~ .

'.rhq· 1'2..C a '..· c_!11;;:;~a .fo::.· to st::'-./ \·rit::. t'·!i o ::-:7t-.. :i.ly - he l::ls sL:c e ·ov-;d a~~a h:"3 .ce·~urn :a l.io·,;_5 to hi~ ~· Fl.c e !l us ii":. liJ@•t+tjlj•) .

I s_po~ :e i;o liJ@•'+'ti)I: aoout ·::is 2.ll ~;:;.,tio;1:0 c? :10.:iose::.u::- l act·:; 2 .~l follo·.ii:i1 .... :.i detaile c disc1.a ·;io.!'1

"'i~d ·~U 2St io:ii;Lc he 8.0l'8e(~ thc.'.t ::e CUl!lc.1 :.Ot ae:fi!li tely .. a.l::e ·st i s ~,lle:..:atior- '-'lir.1szlf ac;co.inst Cf'.l'•°GR.i:n Sc!. t: l tz . ~1is a.llct:~.7.im:s tre:: bcil3d ao•.r_l -to "the follov.ri ng statz. ~s:·~t~ :

1 IGG l ,,...,a ·'·oJa '1' 1 ... , . ...,..._ , ..... .,,-.. ··r1· ·1 o . I ".Ji 1.1 • 1o ' .. l 1 l/(l •-.. l.J V C . .!.""1 t:;t,, '.

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Sc ultz haa ;ot iiltr bed wit~ · i~ . Eowever he did not 1G10•,; a~:.~ ·~ui·che :c a~·cai ls or' vrl:.ethc~r a11~1tb i n__; !is.ppe11ea .

IGG I and had tolc1 REDACTED him that Captain Sc!1u1 tz :12.<1 l\: i ssed tbeu gooon i. ~ht .

3. That on one occasi on v~en he was o~tside the bui ld i.1gs nec-r tile k i tcl.·"en , ~e 21.s · _ed Oap ·~ain 3clrnl tz if te coul C: g o swLi_ .int;; a.nd Capts.ir: ~chul tz turned a!'ound ::-11c.1 tou ch e d hi..1 on the private area outside the clot 1:~ in6 \·1~3 ice 11~ \·1~.s Hec-rinc .

T~is third r athcr VA~ue allegation aJpeared t h eu to '::le tlrn only defi:1i t;: one fror:1 !;J!•f4il: for fu:ctl·i er i nvestie;2.tioa .

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Al thougb he agreed wi t b iue th::s t i t c ould / have been a ccid ental and 11e tbere:fore could not biinself alle~e l'1 0J.:'.l osexuali ty , i t did seew ~ui te clear t11at l he b iE2s;)lf t!:.oui::,ht thr. t Ca.pt<;.i n 3cl::ul t'.... w::.s e. boruosen1al a.nd \·12 s to sow.e ext e~1t f1,it.,:1te:i·1ea of what Cai_.tair Scl: -.~l t z '"i bht do to biu.

I·t:-der 011 13tl:i J'uly I c:.:1 led a.t t he i• ome of' ~IG-G-----~I ' s f~i.tlle .:. an.a f i !ld in~ :10 one there , _.,~ oceed ed ·vo tl; e i:J!•t;.Wla••sto.te Hi,:_b ~3ch ool where I i11t f~rvie\1ecl IGG j in the prei=e1::.ce of the Depu~:;;:,r J="r i.1ci:··;;.l .

.fter e~flainin~ the seriou~~C ED of ~he alle .':ations 2..l"ld follo\iil1.:.. det<~iled s_t.0stic.11L :._, , t«.c:. follo· ;i::1:::_ c:.lle,sf'.tiot!S froiiL IGG le.·:ere,;e:J .

1 0 ~hat CC'}?t P. i :: SclE~l tz har1 kisE.~ea hit-! :,::oodrJicih t f: O.:e,,..;j_J.,GS ::;_1:d ;1P. Cid r~ot like:: t 11is .

2. On three occ2 E"i ons Cc:.ptair: 3cht·1J. tz got ill tc• l:ed \d t~:o ~,L..1 . ~hi =:. lw.p.1. ened t l:r;c,::e rJi _ht:::; i; · <-. -._·o-.: ~~~a Capt:·.i n :~ c l·:·1.:~. tz \·la$ dre:.:sed in pyj21·t<?s ,_: · self IGG ls., i' d ..... ,_r.,., C···· t -:r 1' •1 .... c 11·, lt"' •J.' .• t - • .... u JJ~. u c..J:> (. t .::> .:. I.. . Lr

as • .. ea bL.i to :....:ave ever· a:r..d t he1: :;:o·t ri::Jit rnlaGr t~"l e bed co-te~s with hi...u , tb2.t Captc:. i L Sc hul t z i·rnt his Jw.na una el.~ IGG I' 8 pyj<.-..1ua shj_rt on to his s to1;1ach Q.nd t h en under hj_8 i::y~i :> .. ':Ja pc.nts toucbin5 hi.:: pri vate pc·.:cts . IGG I sai d th~.t t h is 12.s t ea for ten to f 1fteei·1 11inutes ax.a then Cfcpt 2.in f;hul tz j us t ~ot out of -:;1e bed ;.ad left. \'/hen I ~cirticula.rly c.sked IGG I i f he kne:w 1·~h1: t h i s peni s was , he saio that be did and th::lt Oaptair1 f:clnl tz had tou c}1ed this vii th h is bane) .

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Although he agreed with me t hat i t c ould h::-1ve been accia ent a l ana l.1 e therefore could n ot h i mself a llege b o:·'.1osexual i t y, i t did seem q_u i te clear t~1at l he l:.h1s0lf tl1out:,ht th8.. t Ca.ptc-.i n :3c 1ml t:..; w2.s a. homosexual and \·Jas to sow.e exte!1t friG~'1 tened of what Capt a i r Schultz :.i i?;ht do to hh1.

of IGG I' s f:::1. the ~· ana fi nd i ng ;·rn one there , ~;-:.;.ter on 13th J\tly I c a.l led a t t he !.!Orne

:proceeded t o 7 le State Hi eb School w11ere I i .ntervie"e d ..... IG_G __ _,I i n t h e pre s ence'"' of the De9uty Princi"Jal.

·. :r.ter e~(:fl2L1in._ t'he s:=ri0:.1sr.ess of -~;~1e alle5ations .rind fol lowin.:.; dst t.=1.iled qu2sti c:·ti!l.:_; , t!:e f o llo'.i iYl,:: alle_sations fT0 <11 IGG I e·'!cri:;e~ .

1 o ~he.t C2.1)t2.i·.1 Scbnltz hai:1 leis sea h i t1 ;oodn i ;)1 t so.iet5.i1Gs a.i::d !1e ci.o ;rnt lik0 t 11 is.

2. On three occc.--.~ions Ce.ptair:. 3 c h1.1l tz got i1tto l:ea

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:u1a Capt.:: i n ;:;01-·l'.-.tz Ha::~ d:re;::::ed in py;j2h2s , " I "" 1 f' I I " ., . a .:... , -~ .L.. c . ..... '" . .. ·=- , " 1 t r .!. .. L .• S .:;. __ • GG ,:, .,., l vU.~. V Cl.LJ 11•. l Ll ..JC .1<.A

as · ed ~ i i to ~ove ever and the~ eot risb~ unaer t' ie bed co7ers with hi""', tl.1::-.t Captai _ Sc hultz -;!U t his h~m.J i.ud ei ... IGG I' s pyj<:'~.!a shi.:::t on to his ;:;to.1:~.c 11 ::ll.:1 t~:~n under i1:i. s ~,, · - :a ry:-11ts tctH;hi1::.~ l:i~ D::?:'i vate "(18I't8 .

I~'?; ] s:=iid t!:. t t 11is l<' steel for ten to ~1 ~teea ·_t inui:es oi:a the1:i. 0 .::-,_pt::.iu ,_,!Lt.ltz jurit ot out o~ ·~:12 !)~cl - .1d lE:ft . ~f:.1e_,, I ·J·:1 ·rti~1· 1...,· .. 1· ~s1-ed IGG Jif' he :-nc"r · '1~·· + w \.:.. - - ... .. l ... 1....L ..; "" -~ . :t! -- . ,\.. - " ~ ·' his penis was , hs s2.iu thci. "' be di u c:~_1a th -:; t Oavtni::·1 f::::-1·1111 t~:: l::.~a touc~;ed this '11 i th b iz bau<J •

GG aftci · t~i.s fi..c:st occr.i.sic~: :-- ~ tclcl - • · •·!b· t 'hs.r. bap.:enea . c ~1 J.;l:t:.: second e.na t~ ; s t t ir-:1 l1i

0ht +.:i-\ .~ -s~

th:i.:t~v be..:i_,~::-enea . O.n tJ:e third nitib't IGG I c laL.:ed he tole Ce.pt :·. i n :3c~ ~1_, 1·i.:~ ·:-:;, 3t::11" out •.-.:!, icb 110 c~:.a ht1t -~?i::>.t t hs C2.::.;t2 i ::i said to lli thc:.t; he ,.,~.s putti~1..., ~im to oo .. 1e t ast. ~G [·~id th~t h~ renlly d i d not 'now 1.lK, t t )· 1 S !' .• Ge.!!°!; .

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Int ervi evr betwee11 C8ptr1 .. i11 Schultz , I 'rinci ;; c-.. 1 Chilcl Care Of fie er :;1.;.i.J Senior Chilo Ca.r e Off5 .. c..: er

Cycr "t1~c few 02y t ~1e ::;e a lle.;t= tio~:e '. /-:?rs 1.Jei ~!.~ 0 f 1.tll \-:'l0 €c1 L~id ·the Ct.J!x12"'0 _ r i 3.te C;CJt~r ::, e Of :tC-'GiOll l>.:i l! ... Cie<.!L:e::: u 1:c·: .. , .. e ll~ .. 6 beeu L 1 touch \.iit~ . . ::.;:~ .... ,it,c:d ie~· Goat: e:.:i of ·t::lie Sal v2.tt OH _.r ... v· c.i~Cl ' .. :.th C0.} ttli.1._ .. ·~_ l:. c _ _. -'G:.12 .: -~~ .. e1·· j .. 11.:c}"'<) s ... -~ o~ L.ll~i .. :.:t: • :i:::e~7

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t~e other beheviour of Captai n Sc hultz G.t !~lli:.: i ro. _:ot di::ectly rel-.. tecJ to tbe s)ec ifi c c:~lle.;r.t:.. ens by the t\rn beys Jw.a .i:~:.ceYiously be en ae .::i.l t with by Captai ::. ·.:i lson e.na at his re r.:,uest we a id not rc:.is e t~1ese i ::: sues v.ri t 'i.1 Captai n 13c!:ul tz . ho·v:ever , it ws.s a lit t l e surpr i s i Dg tbci.t Capt a.in \Iil s on i:n hi :: o~in words c &.lls the3e L'::.stai1ces 11 c :.1 .s r~es 11

1.'.~: ich h e hZ:.d to deal wi t L .

The al lel:,ation s 1•1e.a e uy ~1ere v~t to Capt Ein Scbu ~t z . He de~ied ~ alle.;ation a.rid this v12.s cnly bri zflj- d iscus~ ed . T~1e 1:.1ore se::.:-- iouB r..ll e.;c:~ti ons i:12.d e by jGG I v1~re however di scusced i n de~ ail.

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Int erview betwee11 Ca.pta in Schultz , Princi 02.l Chilcl Care Of f ie er :.r1<J 8er.lior Child C2.r2 Offic £:r

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Tl.;e ~.lle~.ation~ 1 l<?.d e . ·uy t!ie t\lo iJoys Hei~e ··n·, t to Capt::.in .::i cllu .. t2: . ne de1!ied ~ alla..;::i.tion a2~a this v1as en:..} b:-ci~fl~ T~12 r;: o:c."'e se::iour:: alle_;:i:'~tior..s L1c.d e by IGG I \t12-ce ~o~ever dilCUa~ed i n de ~ ail.

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