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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE : 11-28-79

1 .Paae Ttae Speaker Information

1 12:00 Speaker Redmond House to order

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Clerk O'Brien Prayer

Speaker Redmohd Recess

1:25 Speaker Redmond House to order

Clerk o'Briea Committee Reports

Speaker Redmond

2 Skinner Point of order

Speaker Redmond '

lPler ce ,

Speaker Redmond

Simms HB 2428, recoru as 'yes' I

3 Speaker Redmond II

Martin, Peggy HB 2839 jlSpeaker Redmond Roll call for attendancel1

.4 Clerk o'Brien Committee reportsI

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Matelek Introduction

Speaker Redmond Roll call fer attendance

l' Ryan '

1 :45 Anderson Introduction . $

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Madigau Excused absenee ll

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5 Hartfn, Peggy Renews motion HB 2839

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-28-79

2.Paae Time Speaker Info= tion

Speaker REdmond

Dfprfma

Speaker Redmond

Walsh objects to 89 votes

6 Speaker Redmond Motion prevails

7-8 Cunnfngham HB 32 move to 0VR

Speaker Redmond

Ewing Yield? l9 cunningham I

lo McMaster

Speàker Redmond i'

jSkinaer tl

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l l Rigney Yield jl l1I 11 Cunningham I

' j2:05 Hart 1

' Speaker Redmond PPC

13-14 Totten PPP (Governor's comments)

1' Speaker Redmond

Kosinski1l Speaker Redmond

15 Matilevich PPP

Speaker Redmond

Ceo-karis PPP (I :

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17-18-19 Griesheimer HB 168: move to OVR

Speaker Redmond

20 Mann Oppose OVR

Speaker Redmond

21 Matijevich

Speaker Redmond

22 Johnson

speaker Redmond

'23 Stuffle

speaker Redmond

Bluthardt1

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1 Vincent Urge no vote11i Speaker Redatond

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1I 28 Bowman HB 1270 move to 0VR

speaker Redmond

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 47-vA-7q

4.Page Tlme Speaker Infor= tton

30 Speaker Redmond PPC

31 Jaffe HB 2506, move to OVR )

Speaker Redmond

32 Holewinski

Ewing Urge 0VR

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Mautino Yield?

33 Jaffe ISpeaker Redmond 1I

35 Satterthwaite Yield

2:53 Jaffe

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36 Johnson l;l :

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speaker REdmond HB 2506 l

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40 Jaffe

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S chuneman

Sp eaker Redmond

4 2 Jo hns o n Po s s ib le ve ri f i c a t i on

Speaker Redmond

Pullen

S eaker Redmond 'P

43 3:12 Bluthardt Supports 0VR

Speaker Redmond

Jacobs Supports OVR

44 Speaker Redmond!l1 Griesheimar

Speaker Redmond

1 II Deavers verification1l i

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Mulcahey HB 2529 move to 0VR

1 'Spehker Redmond

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Clerk o'Brien HR 1162 (Speaker Redmond) Ispeaker Redmond I

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Ryan 30 minute rec'ess

3:41 Speaker Redmond 4:15

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Clerk o'Brien Resolution

Speaker Redmond

54 Ciorgi

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Clerk O'Brien Introduction & 1st Reading

speaker Redmond

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Speaker Redmond Attendaace roll call used

Clerk o'Brlen HB 3419, 2nd. no CAI

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55 Speaker Redmond 3rd readiag 1lclerk OfBrien HB 3422. 2ndy #1 1

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clerk O 'Brien HB 3423. 2nd, no CA

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8.Page Time Speaker Information

I speaker Redmond

clerk O'Brien //1 faileds #t

speaker Redmond

57 4:48 Ryan

speaker Redmond Adopted. 3rd reading

clerk o'Brien HB 3424. 2nd. #1 fafled #2adopted

speaker Redmond 3rd '

clerk o'Brien 3425, 2ndy no CA

speaker Redmond 3rd

Clerk o'Brfen HB 3426, 2nd, no CA

58 Speaker Redmond 3rd reading

l Clerk O 'Brien HB 3427. 2nd. no CA

speaker Redmond

clerk O'Brien Floor amendment 11l I1 :

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19 Zcclain '

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Keats Yield

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speaker Redmond

60-61 Catania

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62 4:56 Madfgan Questfon

Catanfa

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATEI 11-28-79

9.Paqe Time Speaker Information

speaker Rkdmond

Mann Asks Hcclain 'to explain

64 Mcclain

speaker Redmoad

65 Mann oppose amendment

speaker Redmond

66 Brummer

speaker Redmond

Mcclain

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Davis, C.

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67 FCEOVS '

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68 Catania

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79 Ewell

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70 Mann

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-7a-7q

10.Page Time Speaker Infor= tion

Speaker Redmond 3rd reading

Clerk o'Brien HB 3429, 2nd, no CA


71 Clerk O'Brien HB 3430: 2nd, no CA


Clèrk o'Brien HB 3432, 2nd, no CA '

Speaker Lechowicz 3rd reading

clerk O'Brfen HB 3433. 2nds #1 adopted lISpeaker Lechowicz TOOR

clerk O 'Brfen HB 3433. 2nd, #1 adopted

Speaker REdmend '''11:- l

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I speaker Lechowtcz l! 172 Mcclain I

lSpeaker Lechowfcz

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Mcclain //3

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' j73 Ewing

Speaker Lechowicz ' , lHoffman

Speaker Lechowicr

74 Stuffle

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Speaker Lechowicz

Bradley Support '

Speaker Lechowicz

76 Eving TO closelI

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speaker Lechovicz ' IPolk

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l Zadisonj '1,! speaker Lechowicz1'l FolkI l1.177 speaker Lechowicz 11 ,.T 1Ij ;

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l 12 .

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Clèrk O'Brein HB 3438, 2nd. no CA

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Steele, E.G. '

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l04 Mudd Urge 'aye' vote

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Porter MPQ

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Dunn , J. To close

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Doorkeeper: 'êAttention Members of the Hous'e of Represeatatives,

the House will convene ln fifteen minutes.''

Doorkeeper: î'Persons not entitled to the House floor. pleaseo..v''

Speaker Redmond: HThe House will come to order. Will 1ed in

-. prayer by Jack O êBrfen , the Clerk.''

Clerk OlBrien : 'îLet us pray. Lord bless this Rouse and a11

.1 ' those who serve and work here. Amen .''

Speaker Redmond: l'Any additions or corrections? Representatfv

Matijevich.''

Matijevfch: ''one additfon, hmmmmmmmo''

speaker Redmond: ''Due to the overcrowded conditions here where

everybody is sitting in everybody elses seats I think th

House better be at ease to the call of tbe Chair. My

puess would be three quarters of an hour. At easeo''

Speaker Redmond: DThe Housç wfll come to ordery Members please

be in their seats. Committee reports.''

Clerk O'Brien : î'Representative Schneiderx Chairman from the

Committee on Elementary and Secondary Educatfon s to whic

the following Bills were referred. Action taken Novembe

28, 1978, reporied the same back wfth the follocfng

reconuaendation. Do pass as amended House B1l1 3433.

Representative E.M . Barnes, Chairman from the Committee

on Appropriations 11 to which the following Bills vere

referred. Action taken November 28, 1978. reported the

same back wfth the folloufng recomxendatfons. De pass

House Bills 3426, 3427, 3430, 3434. 3437 aad 3438. Do

pass as amended House Bill 3420 and 3444.''

Speaker Redmond : ''Representative Skinner.''

Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Apparently

on contradfctfon to the House rules there fs a meno that

has been passed out to.k..at least my desk and perhaps

the other Republicans. ' Which sayss cost of Democrat vet

override motions. This memo is unsigned, I understand,

however, it comes from the Budget Bureau. I'm particula y

fnteresred of course fn House B;11 2707 for whïch rhe

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price has doubled since the 'fiscal pote that was filed

this spring. And I oblect strenuously to tbe distributi

of material that is not sigaed, number one. And aumber

two, I object even more strenuously to material that ls

put out that fs absolutely false. And this is absolutel

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speaker Redmoud : ''Representative Pierce.''

Pferce: ''Mr. Speakerm I agree hea'rtlly and a'100Z wlth the

Gentleman from McHenry. The next U .S. Senator from the

State of Illinois. That the Bureau of the Budgeto.oothe

Bureau of the Budget is operatfng lfke a flacka a second

rate publicist for the Executive.w..chief Exec'utive of t is

state and propagandizing this Legislature with its phony

figures fn a very unprofessional manaer. Not only bully-

' ing the Republfcans there by putting matèrfal on their

desk without Representative Ryaa's approval or the

speaker's approvaf. but in general by shfftfng their

figures where they ffnd it convenient, by flying around

' the statey going to editorial boards at state expense to

oppose Bills passed by this General lssembly. And I thi k

the Gentleman from McHenry is 100Z correct...let the

:ureau of the Budget be the Governor 's campafgn manager

for Presfdent if they want to be but have them keep out

of here with a11 their changing of figures and the cheap

unprofessional eonduct.o

Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Sfm1s....''

Pïèrce : ''God bless Mayor Bilandic.'l

Stmms: ''Mr. speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House , I

would like unanimous consent to be recorzed as voting

'yes' on House Bi11 2428, which was taken yesterday . I

assumed I had pressed my greea button but evidently

I did not register it. I would ask consent that I 6e

recorded as vottng 'yes'. It will not change the outcom

of the votea'f

speaker Redmond: ''Is there any objection? No objection. leave

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is granted. w...didn't ask me. Representative Peggy

Smith Martfn , you rise with respect 'to a motion on House

Bill 2839. Is that correct? Please gfve the Lady order.''

Martin: ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Having voted on th

prevailing sides 1 move to reconsider the vote by which

the motion to pass House Bi11 2839 over the veto of the

Covernor was lost . on yesterday. That's regarding the

Pioneer Plaza...memorial plaza.''

Speaker Redmond: HIs there any discussion?''

Martin: ''For further infèrmation I would like to yield to

Representative Lewis DiPrima.'ê

Srcaker Redmond l HThis fs a Bill that Representative DiFrima

moved to pue on Postponed Consfderatfon bue ft had been)

deelared lost ' so this is a parliamentary procedure

in order that Bepresentatfve Diprima can put h1s Bill

in the posture that he desires it. Now i: there aùy furt er

discussion? ;he question 'is on the Lady's motion that

the House reconsider the vote by which House Bill 2839

was declared lost. Those in favor say 'aye'....may we

use the Attendance Roll Call? We're having some problem

with the buttons. Hearing no objection, we will use

the Attendance Roll Call. Roll Call for attendance. 'fh y

tell me the buttons aren 't workinga..oh, they are workin

now. .....do this. Well/'I gcess we*ll just have to

call the roll. Would it be possible to have a11 the lig ts

up there, determine the result of this vote; Purpose of

per diem . only those that appear on the board will be

' pàfd. Is that correct? Conmfttee Reports.''

Clerk o'Brien: ''Representative Matijevfch, Chairman of the

committee on Appropriations I whfch the following Bllls

were referred. Action taken November 28> 1978. reported

the same back with tùe following recommeadations. Do

pass House Bills 3419. 3422. 3423, 3425. 3428. 3429, 363 ,

3439 and 3442. Do pass as amended House Bill 3424. Do

not pass House Bf11 3435. Tabled by the Sponsor, House

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Bill 3417 and 3431.'î

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Mudd, seeking recognition?''

Nudd: HWe have leave for t:e last unanimous?'ê

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Matejek. Representative Matejeko''

Matejek: î'Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Bousea I

vould lfke to take thfs opportunfty to fntroddce to you

a fine group of young people from my distrfct. The Sout

Holland Law Enforcement Explorers Post 416. They are

accompanied wfth thefr advfsor, offfcer Tommy Collier of

the South Holland Police Department. In the rear galler .''

Speaker Redmond: ê'Representative Luft...there is an impostor

comfng down the middle aisle'therey wfll you please put

him out. The fellow with the moustache - Roll call for

attendance. Representative Ryan are there any Republian

absent who's....H

Ryan : ''You mean physically?'' '

speaker Redmond: ''Well..-excused absence-.o.''

Ryan : 'Q don't have any excused absences, no. Mr. Speaker.''

jpeaker Redmond: ''How about Representative Anderson, is his

absence excused? Representative Anderson .''

Anderson : ''Yesy Mr. speaker, I would like to introduce a group

- - = - - ' of futuie leaders from Mirton High School from the 45th

District in the rear balcony. They are represented by

Representative Von Boeckmany Representative Luft and

myself. Would you stand up please.''

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Madigan are there any Democra s

absence excused? Now we will revert to Representative

Peggy Smith èfartin . A motlon Eo reconsider the vote by

whtch House Bill z83....Representative Madigan.''

Madfgan: ''Would the records show that kepresentative Schisler

fs excused.''

speaker Redmond: ''Who?''

Madigan: ''Schisler.''

speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Schfsler. Any oblectfcn to sh Tzing

hfs..hearing none his 'absence vf1l be exeused. Representative

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Peggy Smith Martfn.''

Martin : ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Having voted on

the prevailing side I move to reconsider the vote by

which the motion to pass House Bill 2839, over the veto

of the Governor was lost. This Bill is RepresentativeLc'aaîtgLewis Diprima's Pioneer Plaza Bi11.H

Speaker Redmond: HAny dïscussion? The question is on the Lady's

motion. Tîose in favor vote laye f opposed vote 'no'.9

Have a1l voted who wished? Have all voted who wished?

Representative Diprfma, explain your votem''

Dfprfma: nHov many do I need?''

Speaker Redmond: î2 9.91

Dfprïma: ''We1l, Jesus. thfs fs only a lfttle Bfll to resurrece

a Commission that is' making a study for Pioneer Flaza.

For Chrfst sake, thfs cfty needs Tsome kfnd of monuments

' around here to 1et the people know what Springfield

is a11 about. But that's all'thfsAdoes, lt just resurre ts

this Commission for the study of the Pioneer Plazao''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative William Walsh.''

' I 1Walsh : Mr. Speaker, I question the 89 votes. It seems to ae

that this needs 107, since it is an overrideo''

a . . -.. . . yySpeaker Redmond: Thi: is a motion to reconsider a vote by

which it was declared 1aw .''

Walsh: f'That motion requires thu-nkmber 'of votes that it would

take if tbe original motion were to prevailk Thereforey

this needs 107 votes.''

Speaker Redmond: ''That section and verse...-so that David

Epstefn can check with you. 62 (a), Repreqentative

Walsh. 89 votes. 62 (al.m..alternately it will take

l07 votes to pass it but to reconsider-..6z (a). Rep-

resentative Nalsh conceGas error. Representative Nalsh

do you have a statement to make? 89 votes it takes. Do

Walsh : ''I voted.''

Speaker Redmond: nHave a11 voted who wished? The Clerk will t ke

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the record. On thfs questfon there .are 91 eayesê and

35 'noo and the motion prevails. Representatfve

Diprfma do you move that House Bfll 2829 be put ea Post-

poned Consideration?ê'

Diprima: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker.'l

Speaker Redmond: ''That's ally it is on Postponed Consideratioa ''

Diprima: HThank you .#''

Speaker Redmond: Hon the Order of Veto Motfons appearing on

page 4. Appears House Bi11'32. Representative Cunningh m .

Representative Cunningham.''

Cunnlngham : HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House

this is simgly a good idea that vfll not go away regardl ss

of how iong ànd bow hard you try to ignore it. It is

rather fnteresting to note that some years ago Governor

Walker wrote in his veto message that it was a good

idea and should be tbe 1aw in Illinofs and perhaps one

day it could be phased in . And it was the heigh: of a

compliment:thàt 'thelpresent Governor in 'his veto message

copiAd that veto message of his predecessor, alàost ver-

batim and I want to say to you that unless you rise and

do your duty fn regard to this Bill I confidentty

and sadly predict that five years from now. when Governo

Alan Dixon is on the second floor, he will wrlte a veto

message Just like his two predecessors did. Let me tell

you for a moment vhat 32 does. 32 is not a judicfal

pay raise, I cannot emphasis that too strongly . 32 mere y

permfts ehe salary of a conseftutfonal officer to be pai

from Lhe State Treasury. The Constitution of 1970 says

that Judges throughout the state are state offlcers and

there is no question about it, there is no other precede t

anyw here ln the law that I 'm aware of.n of a local un it

of government being required to pay a supplement to the

salary of a state official. Now there is a five hundred

dollar overlap that was necessary because the people of

Cook Countyy the Judges there have some kind of insurance

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pollcy and they needed to have the five hundred dollars

token consideration paid from the County Treasury so '

that they could go ahead. Let me pofnt out....Mr. speak r

would you ring tbe ga#el, nobody is listenfng they have

checked t:e election results. Let me pofnt out that the e

are four counties...four counties tn the state that are

not paying their share at the present time. Tbose count'es

are, Lake County which owes three Nundred and flfty-one

thousand dollars back to the State of Illlnois Adams@

County which will owe a hundred and thirty-six thousand

dollars at the end of the December Woodford Coùnty *hi h

vill owe thirty-efght thousand and Jefferson County whic

will owe thirty-eight thousand. It is time for each of

you to recèknize that these counties are not s'coff laws.

They are not refusing to pay because they have the noney

they are refusing to pay because they don 't have the

money. We've had entirely too much talk in recent days

poor mouthing the financfal resources of the State of -

Illinots. You need to recognize that this state has

a gfgantfc vacuum sweeper that has two prfncfple nozzles

And those nozzles are called sales :tax and income tax an

they each extract annually: almost pafnlessly from the

victims throughout this state in access of almost t<o

mfllfon dollars for each of them year after year afeer

year. Now when you tbink about the many ot:er sources

of fncome thatrthe staee has you must conclude that the

state resources in comparison with that with lovly count es

fs very large margfn fndeed. You must compare the aweso e

power of the state to extract money from the citizen s of

this state wfth the puny machinery tbat ls available to

the counties. These counties can collect about tvelve

cents for every hundred dollars of real property from

rebellious citizens to light tbe court house, to pay for

the police and to do many. many things and then you ask

them to also supplement the salaries of the Judges at th

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ràte of seventy-ffve hundred dollars for the Circuit

Judges and four thousand fkve hundred for the Assocïate

Justices.Now I say to you that there is no justfce what-

ever in thfs kfnd of arithmetic. I tell you that the

ties throughout the state are entitledv o your con-coun

sideration. I ask you to believe that there isn 't a

County Board in the State of Illinois that doesn 't

enthusiastically endorse 32y not in the sense of greed

but in a sense of need. They recognize tbat they haven ?

the resources. The Christm'as season .will soon be upon

yous I want to say to yôu that you will never have a

better opportunity to toss a sock, a small bone to your

constituents: the county government. I ask you to examf e

. in your consciepce what your positton should be aad lay

a small offerfng on the alter of fair play.and justfce.

And that offering ih this instance is an 'aye' vote . An

let me....those on this sïde of the aisle that have trou 1es

that they might be somehow transgressing against Nis.5 . .

Excellency, the Governor . Let me strongly urge you to

believe that none is more an admirer of the Governor tha

1, nor depended upon hfs good will. I think that one

d a y h e m a y w e 1 1 b e t h e P r i s i d e n' 6- o' 'f i: h-e U zi ï. t e d S t a t e s b u

he couldn 't be wronger in this instance. In this instan e

your loyalty ....your party loyalty must yield to your

obligation to help your constituents at bome. I beg you

to vote 'aye ' on this Bi11.''

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Ewing.îî

Ewing: ''Yes. Mr. Speaker. I vonder ff the Sponsor would yteld

for a couple 'of questions?l'

Speaker Redmond: ''He fndicateà that be w111'.''

Ewing: ''Mr. Sponsors could you tell us what percentage of the

Judges salary now paid by the County Board.''

Cunningham: ?'At the present tfme tbe judicial salary throughou

the state for the regular Judges is forty-two thousand

ffve hundred. And the counties of each county contrfbut s

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seventy-five hundred so the State of Illinois is paying

the thfrey-ffve thousand.''

Ewing: ''So the majority ts being paid by the state now....''

Cunntngham: HMore than 80Z.H

Ewing: ê'Yesy I suppose that your B111 also wfll transfer to th

state coffers a percentage of the ffnes and the income

from the courts. Is that correct?î'

Cunnfngham: 'îNoy I don't think it is possible to put it in tha

same Bfll but if you have such a Bill 1:11 be glad to/vo e....''

.Ewing: ''No I asked you, did....''

Cunningham: '11'11 be glad to vote for it but it couldn 't be

put in thfs Billy ié's à ''law-and ve both know that.''

Ewing: R'So there is no transfer of the income from the court f om

fines and court cost to the state for picking up the

Judges salarfes. Is that correct?''

Cunningham: HNo àt the present time there are many instances# .

in which the judfcial salary....the fines are being used

for the benefft of the stateo''

Ewing: Hèlr. Speaker, I would like to just point out those tvo

facts that the able Sponsor of tbis motion has agreed wi h

me on . First of all, the state is picking up the line

. . . ... v . . . . . . . . .. .... . L . . ' ' .

share of the' salary ot the'ludges.' And I'Wôuld assume

that any salary increase which would be approved by this

Body would also be picked up by the state . Secoad, the

Bill does not provide to transfer any of the income of

the court and we a11 know that there is considerable

income from the county back to the state. I know that

a11 the County Boards ln my dfstrfct wants this. uho

vouldn't want a free ride. I'm not sure it ts a good

Bf1l.''

Speaker Redmond: î'Any further dlscussion? Representaeive

Cunninghamy do you destre to close? Representative

Mc>laster, pardon me. McMaster. !fill you please sit do n oî'

McMaster: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Centlemen of the House.-..''

Speaker Redmond: HWi11 you break'up the Republican caucus ther

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McMaster : ''I f I can give the previous speaker 1 ust a litt le

bit of in f ormat ion . He says that the count ie s should

transf er some of the f ines to the stat e fn the event that

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i d e p a s s e s . L e t me p o in t o u t t ha t t h e c o u r tthis overr

house is provided by the county , by county taxes by couaty

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c o s t . A11 o f t h e c o ur t s e rvi c e s ar e p rov i d e d by t h e

county with the excep t ion of tlze .! ud ges s alarfes . And T.

cert ainly f ee 1 that wbat ever the re sults o f tlAi s Bill m1g t

be that the countïes are contribut fng a great deal to

the court in each county.

Speaker Redmond : ''Representative Skinner.''

Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the Mousey there is absol tely

nothing one can add to the eloquence of Roseoe's pleal

for your 'yes' vote And so I merely reiterate it.''

'(S e aker Redmond : ''Repre sentat ive Rigney . 'P

Rigney: ''Wi11 the Sponsor yield? Representative Cunningham y

can you tell me what percentage of the Judges salary is

now paid from the Road Fundm''

Cunningham : ''From the Road Fund, none.''

Rigney) 'Q think, Mr. Sponsor, you are incorrect in that. I

' thlnk tt is' sov et-ilng- liEe' 1!t 'of Judgesbfees.k.ludges'

salaries in this state are paid out of our Road Fund.''

Cunningham: d'Weere not going to argue wfth you, there ïs a

transfer into the Secretary of States Office in regard

to road functions and you could argue that' somehcw that

benefited the court system but there is nothing in the

books now that says that the Road Fund is the source of

the pay of judicial salary. You find me the chapter and

verse before you decide I 'm in e/ror.l'

Rlgney: ''Well I think if I recall about a year ago that fâgur

was in the range of about twelve mfllion dollars. And i

to me that we're perpetrate ln a system here that is

going to continue to drain the Road Fund of the State

of Illfnofs to the advantage of the counties tbat are

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actually enjoying the revenues from the fine system in

this state. And for tbat reason I think I would have a

lfttle trouble supporting your attempt here on an over-

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Speaker Redmond: ''Anythfng further? Desire to close, Rep-

entative Cunningham?'' 'res

Cunningham: î'Certainly, we must close in this matter. In vfew

of the last remark that Representatfve Rigney made. Tf

there was ever a non sequitur vithout any support whatev r

in fact or reason with that. It is no diminishment what

ever of the Road Fund and I can't believe that he doesn '

know -differently than what he has said fn tbis matte .

I want you to remember this, that the counties throughou

the state are destitute. Their power and abflfty to

levy a tax is very kimited. I quoted to you their limit

a minute ago. They haven't the resources of the State

of Illinois, it is unthinkable that the state organizati n

with its unlimited capacity to touch the voters and tax

payers throughout the state, shouldn't pay entirely the

salary of state officials. Why this thing. if it were

continue this nickle vnd dime approach that origiaated

back in 1974, we would bave each of the counties kicklng

in a little for your salaries...ofor the Governor*s 'sala y

and a11 the elected state officials. This is uniquey it's

the'wrong that needs to be rfghted. Thts is not a tax

upon the administratfon y you didn 't take an oath though

when you.w..on this side of the afsle when you were

sworn in , you didn 't take an oath Lo support the Governo

right or wrong and particularly when he was wrong. Youé''z

ibility is to the voters in your district and yourespons

musta't act as though your swftches were wired to his

nod in this matter. I beg you...I beg you to listen to

your County Boards back in your homes and give us a gree

vote on this. 'The man that attacked it a moment ago,N

he safd,gft fs too good of an issue to pass now . we can

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pass it next year'. But now is the time: this is the

place and the opportunity for a green light ts here.

Please .''

Speaker Redmoad: OThe question is, shall House Bill 32 pass

notwithstanding the veto of the Governor? Al1 in favor

indicate by voting 'aye'. opposed by voting 'no'. Have

a11 voted who wished? Representative Mahar. Eave a11

voted who vished? Have all voted who wished? Rep-

resentative Hart.''

Hart: HThank you very smuch, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlem n

of the House. I understand that if this Bf11 passesy that

Roscoe has promised that he wfll never 'say anything more

on the floor of the House. And I think that is a suffic eat

reason to support this Bil1.''

Speaker Redmond: MHave a11 voted who wished? The Clerk vill

take the record. 0n tbis question there is 94 îayes'

and 58 lno'. Representative Cunningham .''

Cunningham : ''Please.'l

Speaker Redmond: ''Request Postponed Consideration . Represeùta ive

'Totten: for what purpose do you arise?''

Tottea : 1'0n a point of personal privilège. Mr. Speaker.''

é J d: ''fhe centleman-standing- fn front è@' Mr.-speaker e mon

lotten s please sit down .''

Totten: ''Mr. Speaker, rise on a point of persoaal privilege .

one, I think after I'm through most Members of this

House would join me. And that is tn regard to a 'AP. wireç$ ') '

story out of Williamsburgf r.egarding the relationshipf

between the executives in this state and this Legislatur .

And I would like to read from the article that appeared

in todayfs, I understand, Chicago Tribune and Ltndsay-

Schaub. Tllinois Covernor James Thompson said Monday,

the way to get along wit: the Ceneral Assembly was to

flatter the Members, provlde them rzit: political patrona e

and sociqlize with them over drinks. At a talk at the .

Republican Governors Conf erence , Thomp son li sted these

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three rules as being important in gettfng along vfth

state Lhgfslators. He also safd Governors should have

good legfslatfve lfafson staff and consult lawmakers

about important state decisions. Buts Thompson repeated y

turaed in his talk to fourteen fellow Republican Governo sl

to the question of patronage. Re said...he said 'there

were many minor posts on State Boards and commissions

to which a lawmaker would like to be able to appoint

members. He vill remember you forever for letting him

have that one post/ Thompsons said. 'It may mean a11 the

difference in the world to that Member of the General

Assemblyx' Tbompson saidylproviding such jobs to lawmake s

should not be done througb regular cbannels. Run it

through your legfslatfve liaison staff, not through

regular patronage staffz hè said. Thompson safd ft was

also important to know when to call them, referrfng to

Leglslators, to the Governors ôfffce. êIt is flattering

to them/Thompson saidx h e saidyjfsuch a move would help.

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t o ge t vo t e s on Bi 11 s . 1 ' m n o t go tn g t o b e . . . . l.t ' s no tz

go ing t o be on the mer it s or you would have had it a1r ea y .'

Thomp son said . The Governor said ' lawmakers would like

t o be able to say that they have been invit ed to the

Gove rnors Of f ice . Even a bett er Legislator likes to say

t h a t t o h i s p é e r s , ' Th omp s o n s a i d . l!e s a i d s o è i a 1 i z i n g

wi th I,e gi s 1at or s also i s an imp ort ant colip onent o f the

rocess . f Have them to the Covernors Mankion f or a drink 'P

Thompson saïd.lhave them down in your office for their

drfnk- .go ta their offfee and bave a drinkv Governor

added that,he dfd :ot mean to stress the importance of

6 he safd. gThere are praceicalalcohol..'..or have a cokeyJ

rules for good legislatlve relatfons,#Thompson said. 'If

I follow those rules faithfully and you follow these

rules faithfully . ve will have beeter relations lgith

- , / . bject was how to getour Legislators. Thompson s su

along with the Legislature. Among other things he said,

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legislative liaison should have respect and ability . He

also said House and Senate Leaders should not be pressur d

to do the impossiblev..just ask our Minority Leader about

that. Thompson said sate lawmakers.voget thfs one, this is

the one that particularly got to me. Thompson said state

lawmakers often have good ideasm- Thompsop said state la aker

often have good ideas and the Governor should not steal t eir

thunder. And for that I call him thief. 0ne way to get

along with state lawmakers, Thompson said ts to attend their

, political fund raising affairs. Co to their fund raisers

even if it means a hellish schedule duriag an election

campaign when you should be attending to your own affafrs.

It may mean the selling of fifty tickets. But make sures

' 'your picture is on the tickets. not theirse he said. 'Y ur

na.ne is the big nama on the tfcket and not thèlrs', he to d

fellow C0P Governors. They 're selling my fkfendp the Go ernor

Theygre selling you. Thompson gave the advice for what to

tell those who attend such fund raiserso.tell themy 'my

friend the Legislator is the greatest thing since slfced

bread and I want him back in Sprfngfield' aad then go. E d

of article. To me that fs one of the most demeaning depiction

'n-' of a Ceneral Assembly that I have ever heard from a Chïef

Executive O fficer. My only hope vas that he may have said it

with tongue in cheek but the article does not indicate

tbat. And on that point of privilegey Mr. Speàker, I fi 'sh.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Roman Kosfaski.''

Kosinski: 'lèjr. Speaker, may I respectfully point out to Rep-

resentative Totten that this was a recommendation of the

Governors of tbe other states and does not necessarfly

apply to Illinois .''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Matijevfch.''

Matijevich: ''Personal privilege: Mr. Speaker. If Representativ

Totten had been listening to us durfng the regular Sessio

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he would bave known a11 this a11 the while. You know,

I guqss a11 it says is that many of us sfx hundred

thousand pluràlity of people in the State of Illinois

didn 't reàlize that we elected a phony. We told you

that Don, you weren 't listening that's à11. And now

maybe later on duriùg the Session you#ll give us a littt

talk about Phil Craneu..right?'

Speaker Redmond: î'Representative Geo-Karis.''

Geo-Karfs: ''Mr'. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, on a pofnt of personal privilege. I don 't know

what the Governor 'said at the conference but I think

we should a1l remind ourselves that we should have a

sense of humor.and where t%e shoe fits .letls kear'it.

And number two, it is fine for our opponents on the

other side to attack this Covernor but remember brother'p

you had plenty to attack in yours. You Vere sitting bac

and letting him do a 1ot of things that we shouldn 't hav

had done and personally, I think that if a Governor make a

ëlsstatement....l don't know what they are but IAm not

going to believe the press until I see the vhole text.

And I still support the preseat Governoro''

Speaker Redmond: NRepresentative Mann. Representative Mann .''

Mann : ''Mr. Speakery a p'oint of personal privilegev''

Speaker Redmond) NProeeéd.''

Mann : ''Mr. Speaker, I hope that the Members of the House would;œ*

not only give the....tbeir attention for-the moment but

extend to pe as much latitude in terms of this point of

personal privilege as they did to our previous speaker,

Representative Totten . Yesterdayy Mr. Speakefy I sought

to get a waiver for House Bill 3443. We talked to ban

the sale of manufacture handguns in the State of Illinoi .

Yesterday the Mayor of the City of San Francisco and a

Commissioner were assassfnated by the use of a handgun .

Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, according to the

FBI publication ....crime in the United Statess a yearly

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compilàtioh of crime statisic, of . the nineteen thousand

one hundred and twenty murders committed in tbe Uaited

States in 1977, nine thousand one hundred and seventy-

eighty'or 48Z were committed with a handgun. Murder by

a bandgun was two and one half times more likely to

occure than cutting or stabbing which was the next leadi g

cause. Mr. Speàker and Members of tbe House: I ask you....

when are we gofng to end this insanity which has turned

the cities of our country into urban jungles because of

the existance of fifty million handguns fn G e United

States of America. We are the only: ldeveloped nation

in the world that does not have a ban on the sale of

handguns and on the manufacture of handgunsî. I hate to

pickup the newspapery Mr. Speaker and Members of the

' House and read that the Mayor of the City of Chtcago or

the Governor of the State of Illinois or some other

prominent official...or any other additional citizen

in this state was murdered by tbe use of a handgun.

When are we going to come to our senses and ban handguas

in the State of Illinois. Thank you: Mr. Speaker.'î

Speaker Redmocfl: '1On the Order of Tctal Veto Motions appears

HOuSe Bill 168. Representative CriRsbeimer.l'

Grlesheimer: 'Q hank you. Mr. Speaker. I come before you today

with a motion to reject the Governor's veto of House Bill

168, the clean Air Act. I had previously prepared a

rather lengthly presentation on this but maybe that won't

be necessary because of Representative Totten 's speech .

I would take it that tbe Governor never suggesL getting

together for a smoke vith any of us and that must indfcat

that he really doesn 't think too much of smoking aotwith-

standing his veto. House Bill 168 provides for Illinois

a 1aw which has been adopted in numerous other states.

This is the second term it has been introduced, the secon

time it :as been vetoed by a Governor of the State of

Illinofse- .of a different party in this particular case.

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And I would like 'to review with you zoday the Governor 's

veto as maybe I miqht suggest to you what he didn't tell

the other Governors ' on the east coast...is not to allow

someone elsé fn your staff to vrfte a veto, as there mus

be some logic and hopefully a little bit of truth to ft.

In the Governorls veto message he indicated that he was

vetelng House Bill 168 for three reasons. First of a11

he indicated that he was vetoing the Bf11 because he

felt that there were already laws on the books throughou

the State of Illinois to handle this particular problem.

As a11 of you know as this was presented to the House th 's

last spring and argued in Committees in b0th Housey the e

are not such lavs fn a1l parts of the State of lllfnofs

to handle this problem. I understand clearly that House Bill

168 is not an Anti-smoking Bill, it is merely a Bill to

give the right to non-smokers in the same manner as

smokers do t oday . So that in certafn desfgnated public

f ac ilj. t i e s , which I would add , do es no t include res t aura t s ,'

jher e would b e areas s et as id e f or non-smokers . The

' covernor goes on in his veto message and states that

o It e o T h i: s e cd'n d r e e. s c n s f o r ve t o 1 n g t h e B i 1 1 w a s t ha t i t

unreasonable subjects admfnfstrators and hospftal

personnel to the threat of civil or possible criminal

prosecution. I would suggest that good Governor Thompso

should have consulted with the hospital industry because

they endorsed this Bi11. I have yet to find a hospital

administor anywhere that quarrels with t:is Bi11. I mig t

even suggest thac the Governor might have talked to his

father who is a physican specfalfzfng fn the treatment.

I understand of cardiac diseases which relate to smoking?

d I think he would explain the faccs of life to him. 1an

Lastly the Governor suggests that there is no way of

enforcing this Bi11. And in fact one of his liaison is

cruising through the audience here today suggesting that

kf ve pass this Bill we will have to have state troppers

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going into a restaurant arresting people for violating

the law . Ffrst of a11 I would point out to the Governor s

ltaison that this Bill does not apply to restaurants,

second of a11 thè Bi11 specifically provfdes for enforce ent

through publf'c health agencfes.. not the state patrol.

Thus the whole concept of being unenforceable is ridicul us.

We could parallel this to the speed laws in the State

of Illinois. If we are to suggest that it would be '

impossible to enforce totally ....this Smoking Bi1l. this

Clean Air Act, we would similarly have to take the

position that there is no vay to totally enforce our

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ypeed laws, therefore, we should abandoq tbem. The

' covernorl logic fails on every stand. I don't believe

the Governor completely understood the Bill when the

veto message was signedythoughnone of the rather straage

clrcumstances that arose in this particular Bill is that

while I was anxiously awaitfng,and I believe a good many

people in 'the State of Illinois were anxiously avaiting

the covernors action on this Bil1. Tbe 'Governor accommo ated

a constituent letter from a gentletan in Chfcago by the

name of Robert 'Flexbigf. In that parttcular letter.

tu response to a 'complaint by Mr . vlexsig.that there was

teo much smoke in trafn stations tn the City of Chicago:

the Governor wrote hfm and highly commended House Bill

168. Indfcating that he felt it was a step in the rtght

direction,although did not completely cure t'he problem .

Yet tbree veeks later,wfthout any prior notice to any

of the organtzations that had contacted hlu, certalnly

nor myself, he turned around and veto the Bi11 in .

fact this w as one of th e last v etos wh ich w ere prepared

by the Governor. Now when action was taken on this

Bill in the Bouse and in the Senate during the regular

' legislature Session , this House overwhelm ingly approved

this Bi11. 0n the Conference Committee Report Tzhich was

the last vote by thfs House on ehfs matter...one hundred

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thirty-nin'e Nembers of this House vqted in favor of it.

In the Senate there waé similar overvhelming vote in

favor of this Bill, T beldeve the publïc is ïn favor

' of thfs concept. It's not, I vould underline ft fs no. '

antf-smokfng. It fs a Bf11 to provfde rfghts eo the

non-smokers. Some very heavy smokerskeven fn opr o<n

House, Larry Diprimay à four pack a dayeryhas st:ted to

. . me that he endorses this Bi11. Not .because he feels

that he will be prejudice but rathpr because the failure

' to pass this Bill will prelùdice the rights of non-smoke s

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when using public factlities. I would further point out

' to you that t:e Democratic analysès, which 1 have had the

opportunity to. reads eadorses the override of the veto.

Similarly the Republlcan Staff analyses îits the nut rig t

her e it should be hit when we say , supporters of thew

legislation had reasoa to believe tbat it would be signe

into law ....that is the Bill because the Illinois De-

partment of Public Hea1th has not opposed it. Nor ha'd

any testimony been presented to the Ceneral Assembly '

fn any way by proprietfes personnel or administrators

fn oppositfon to this particular èfece of leglslatlon.

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analysfs it goes on to say that whfle ft fs ackoxgledged

Jthat this partfcular Bftl is not a cure-all ft's definftely

a step in' the right 'direction as .ft fs something that

is leading us to a 1aw whlch will be affective to prote t

the rights of a11 the non-smokers fn the State of Illino s.

I belleve thls is a Bill that has a right to b ecome a

' 1aw in the State of Illinots and that one person should

not stand in its'way . The Legislature has spoken, I

hope it will speak again and I hope that you wi11 a11

vote to overrlde t:e Governor's veto.''

speaker Redmond: ''Any diseusslon? k'epresentative Mana-''

Mann: HMr. Speaker, perhaps I will be characterized as a perso

with a special interest...lf so I confess. I am a cigar

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. smoker, but I am also a civil libertarian and if I thiak

' I want to smoke gigars and get cancer I think that's

' '. my business. I thfnk if we are serious about cleaning

up pollution....air pollution in the cities of the State

of Illinois we've got plenty of work to do and weeve

got plenty of 'ways to do it. This is not a conservative

lfberal issueythis fs an issue of fndividual conscfence

. and individual Yreedom and I an going to vote to sustain

the Governor's veto of House Bill 168.,*.

speaker Redmond: ''Any further discussion? Representative

' Xatilevich.îî ' ' î

Matfjevlch: ''Mr. Speaker to show thae I donVt. alvays crftfcfze

' the Governor. I'm a cosponsor of this Bill and then I

read the gubernatorial veto on it. My first gut feeling

wâs right, vhen House Billy 1 belfeve it was 342 came

up the original Bill I was opposed to 1t. Beèause I fe1

that it really does nothfng. In a11 the deiignated area

we're talking about there is really no problem. Go in

the elevator out here. do you ever see anybody smoke:

. Go into the library, do you ever see anybody smoke: And

- ' if you do....if you do have you ever seen anybody arrest d

for it: Have you seen any'body say anythtng about 1t1

' Hell n o , you never will an d won 't if th is Bi11 hecomes

law. There won 't be a person fined in the State of

Illinois tea dollars 1et alone one hundred dollars if

this Bill becomes law . I hear conservatives on this

floor every day of the Session say, let's quit regulatin .

Y0u know they had thts issue in California and a lot of

people were surprised that it was defeated an d when it

was defeated they a11 saidy oh> the töbacco industry

defeated it. That wasn't what defeated it> ft was what

Bob Mann talked about that the people in the State of

Illtnois and a11 over this country are saying.o..leave u

to hell alone. Quite regulating us. This is only a

Bf 11 that f s symboli c , that ' s all. It won R t do a thing

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and I for one think thpt the Governdr was right. Now

one other thing about ity remember we passed a Bi11

statewide mandatory....lowering the drinking age. Wbat

bappened a'fter that, you had home rule units of governme t

now are cbanging that law. You have the similar type of

thing now wfth a mandatory statewide 1av that really

does nothing. So I too 'aézBob Mànn. stand here to ' .

sustain the Covernor on his action o''

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Speaker Redmond: Representative Johnson . Please give the

çj ' .Gentleman order. .

Johnson: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House I think vhat>

Representative Matijevich said,twisted slightly, is

true. But the people of Illinois who are non-smokers

are saying is leave us to hell alone. A11 this Bill doe

is te see asfde fn areas like hovpital roomsp elevatorss

' tndoor theaters and other area's for non-smokers whb don l

want to smoke who are now being forced to smoke because

of the intrusion fn their lungs of smokers smoke.- .to

leave us alone and give us the opportunity to have areas

set aside for non-smoking. Federal Trade Commission and

Congress have said now for ten yearss that smoking is

is hazardous to your healtha-..that a1l advertfsfng and

newspapers and in magaâines and otherwise have 'to contai

warnings with respect to the danger of smoking. And yet

we're going to allow it te continue to go on in areas

tbat are sensitive-as hospital rooms, elevators and othe -

wise. To me that is inconsistanto- In 'the argument of

the Governor and others that this ought to be fn local

ordinances and municipal action...wl guess you could use

the same logic to apply to any lawsof the State of Illin i s.

Sayy we ought to have a separate speed limit for Cairo

as opposed to Chicago. Say Ne ought to have different

' laws regulating robbery or .tbeft from one area co the

other. The air fs the same. people's lungs are the same.

the incursion on 'their health is the same and to me the

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veto of this Bill, any people who vote to sustain the

! ' ' fGovernor s veto are ones who are saying. 1et s have a

dirty envfronment, letês go on and cause cancer in others

even though lthey don't want to smoke themselves andrlet's

go on cause incursions on their lungs and their heà1th

. when it is absolutely unjustffied. So I would loin vith

Representative Criesheimer and other people who believe

fn cfvfl lfbertfes of a true sort .to say, let fs overrfde

' the Governor's veto and vote green on this motion.''

speaker Redmond: NAny further discussfon? Representative

Stuffle.'l

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stuffle: ''Yesy Mr. Speaker and Members. I vlike others.-.l believe

supported thfs Bfll orfgfnally wfthout eakfng a close

enough ......supported this Bill originally probably wfth t

taking a close enough look at what it does or what it

vèuld cost. I don't often rise to support the Governor

either and I don't rise to support the to.bacco industry

and I've never received a diae from them. I don 't tbink

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tain the. the other people wbo are zoinz to vote to sus

Governor have either. I'm a smoker and I go into places

where they already have designated areas. It may mean

' no ùore than a sign , like I see over there and the perso

sitttng rtght next to them separated by possibly on ly a

b00th and certainly by no physfcal barrter is ia the

smoking area, às opposed to the non-smoking. And I

don't see how this Bill would change that. I do see the

cost factor mentioned by the Governor . Even as I read

the definition of smoking in this Bill and smoking becon s

an illegal act under the Bi11 ft saysy one who inhales

the smoke from a smoking device-..be ft a pipe or cigarette

or anything is breaking the law . Not only the person

who smokes but the person who inhales the smoke. That

seems to me utterly ridiculousy that the Bill is vorded

that way and I have to agree with the argument submitted

by Representative Matijevich and others that this Bill wo ld

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be costly. Thfs Bill doesnft serve any purpose and this

Bill is m'erely a brief for those who would lfke to argue

' ù 1 n association.' They have done a great dealfor t e u g

of work in this'state but I don 't see how dofng thïs has

anything except compound problems of bureaucracy and the

cost to the state. And for those reasons and the reasons

subhitted by others this particular Bill the overrideo .

o f the Governo r should b e sus taine d . ''

Speaker Redmond: f'Representative Bluthardt.''

Bluthardt: NThank youy Mr. Speaker and Members of the House .

I also. coucur fn the Covernor's veto of thls Afllp I thf

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). gthere i s a point where government should not nter ere a

intervene for the activities of the citizen. And I thi

that point has been reached and I think that te conceive

' of the idea of arresting a person for smoking in a no

smoking area is ridfculous. I also believe that this

matter can be better controllad by private industry. by

the bospitals,by the other places that can >ut limitatio s

' on the smoking privileges in those institutions. I 'thia

ie would be rfdfculous to have a bfg lau enforcenent

force going around arresting .pgeople for blowfng smoke

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. I think this Bill goes much to far, interfer'ès' vieh the

rights and liberties of the people and should be defeate .J . .

I urge you to .sustain the Covernor 's veto.''

M R dmond: ''Representative Mulcahey.îfSpeaker e

Mulcahey: ''Mr. speaker, I move the prevlous questfon.''

Speaker Redmond : ''The Gentleman has moved th e previous queseio .

The question isp shall the question be Put? Those in

favor say 'aye' opposed fno'. The îayes' have it and

the motion carries . Represeutative Griesheimer to close .''

Griesheimer: MThank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems to me to those

of you that have stood up op/osing this Bf11 that you

have forgotten some of the basic freedoms thatgs granted

in this country. There is no freedom tvat grants you th

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' right to pollute your neighbor. This was decided some

time ago' when we starting cleaning up our enviroament.

To each one of yot! wbo may''be a smoker in your ovn small

. vay, youlre a poll uter. You have the right to pollute

yourself even to gfve yourself lung cancer or to aggrava e

a heart condition. Just as you may have a right to go

into a room and pick up one of those handguns that

Representative Mann was just talking about and blow your

own brains out. But you don lt have a right to take 'that

gun and blow somebody elsek brains out and similarly

you don 't have a right to take one of Representatfve

Bluthardt's cigars and' choke' your nefghbor to 'death . I

would suggest to you that in this day and age that the

rights of the non-smoker are Ju'st as paramount as the

rights of the smoker. Now it has been suggested that

1à i s Bi 11 won ' t work > we 11 I would ' s ug ge s é t o any o f yout

that feel that, you check the State of 'Nebraska because

. that is 'where this 1aw originated. This very identical

law,and matter of fact it not only is working it has wor ed

for four years and they have fncreased its coverage. It s

working well. Now is it working by a gestapo network ou

' of the State of Nebraska arresting peoplel Noy it fs

working because of citizen compliance with the law .

Representative Matijevich would suggest that people igno e

the taw , well maybe they do in his area but they don 't

' in mine. And sometimes I feel like wefre from separate

areas. People fn fact cfll comply vfth thfs 1au they ar. #

. doing it in Nebraska M innesota y Arizona and many other

'states. over thirty states have adopted some form

of legislation to protect non-snokers. Thus there are

rlghts that can be protected and we have an obligation

to assist those people who need the protection . Rep-

resentattve Matijevicb goes further and suggests that

tbis wf11 not have statewfde effect because of home rule

sugges t to h1m that he look at t he Conf erenc e Commit t ee

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Report because that is what the entire argument was abou

in the Conference Commfttee. Thfs Bï11 was passed wfth

sufficient votes to have statewide effect and notvith-

standing home rule unit.. Matter of fact the City of '

Chicago was only concerned o f making thts a much st ricte

y 'law ôn it s own ocal basis . They wanted to have a stron er

' 1aw not a weaker law . And I would also suggest that

' Representative Matilevich,who feels that this has not

been enforced,tbat the City of Chicago has had smokers

courts and has been arresting people for violattng their

own local ordfnance vhfch feads almost fdentfcal ro thfs

Bill for some time and prosecuting them. The very fact

that he doesn rt know about this is éhown by the fact

that tbe City of North Chicago, his hometown, does not

have'sudh a 1aw and it is not being enforced at the

present time. Now we have a right to the many hundreds

of thousands, we have an obligation to the many hundreG

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of thousands of people who have lung problemsywbo have

heart problems,who physically cannot go to public

facïlftfes because of the lateral smoke du ft creatèd

by other paople <ho carelessly or negligently or in a

- ' . 'k dôh't give à daih àtkitùd; ,gù àhèad in2 lfkht up . Aa

we have that obligation to fulfill by passing a 1aw that

protects these people. This fs not unenforcable.-..for

your information, not only Illinois kungs.chicago L ungsy

American Cancery Illinois Heart and Chicago Heart a11

endorse this Bill but so does Illinois State Medfcal

Spciety . so it is the Illinois Department of Public

Health, Iive yet to ftnd any organization that ls oppose

to this other than the tobacco industry. If you want

to vote for Leggitt and Meyers then go ahead and vote

'no' on this. If you vant to vote for some clean air

and ehe possibility of helping someone who needs help

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f h rt condition orbecause of a lung dlsease or o a ea

maybe efther more than that then I think you owe your

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constituents a 'yes' vote on this. .In fact I think if

some of you would go back to your district' and actually

. talk to the residents of your district .you vould find

out that the overwbelming number of people, smokers aad1

non-smokers alfke favor thfs 3fl1 not as a cure-all but

as a small start. And that's what this Bfll is....a sma 1

start to try and do something to help the people in the

area of public health . I would appreciate your affirmat ve

P Q C * V'V

- Speaker Redmond: HThe question is, shall House Bill 168 pass

notwithstanding the veto of thè Covernor. Those in favo

vote raye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative McAuliffe

do you still desire recognition? Rave a1l voted uho

wished? Representative Vinson are you seeking recogniti n?

Representative Vinson.''

' vïnson : ''Mr. Speaker and Meabers of the Rousey a great America

that said, 'that any government big enough to give you

everything you want can take away everything you havel.

And a quarrel area of tbat ïs that thfs Legfslature can

. vote this way todayaoverride the Governor's veto . next w ek ia

a Q i f f e r en t pub li c mo o d it can vot (t t o r equ irtz e'reryb o dy

to smoke in public places. I urge a 'no? vote.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? 'The Clerk will

take the record. 0n this question there is 80 'aye' and

X '46 'no' the motion having failed. Representative Jeanie

Chapman. Representative Chapman desires to be recorded

as 'aye'. Representative Stiehl.''

1Stiehl: ''Mr. Speaker would you record me 'no ' please.''

Speaker Redmond; HRecord Representatfv.e Stfehl as gno'. The

motfon havfng fafled to receive a Constitutfonal three-

fifths majority is hereby declared lost. Representacive

Griesheimer.n

lGrlesheimer: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to have that placed

on Postponed Conslderatfon .î'

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Representative Bowman .î'

Bowman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and centlemen of t:e House ,

the three years I have been in the Assembly Igve heard/

a numb er o f Nember s ri s e t o tll e f loor and . . . and urge

' that we get stat e governmen t o f f the backs ' o f local

government . . . .to urge that we do away with or curt ail

or adequately finance mandated programs. And here we

have an opportunity in House Bill 1270 to get the state

government off the backs of the local governments and

1et hthem spend their own tax dollars the way they see

fit. Let me briefly describe 1270, it is very simple.

' It's a general assistance Bill that would permit the .

state to continue to providq state assistance to local

governments that need a qualifing one mill levy. But

it would prohibit the state fro'm imposing a penalty on

local governments if they chose to increase their local

tax above what fs necessary to meet the state mandate

for tbeir local purposes. I think the....whoever'analyz d

the Bill for the Governor's Office and prepared the

veto message misunderstood what the Bill did. There are

two ptinclpàl defects according to the veto messagey

. w.. -.. . . - ' , ' ' .I don t regard them as defects at a11 Eut the meisage

. eites two things...mas objections. One,'loss of adminis rativ

control of state funds. Well that's justson the face

of fts ludfcrous, on'the very ffrst page of the Bfl1 the

new language starting on liné 14 says, the Illiaois

Department shall set standards to one, insure and provid

for the appropriate disburstment of state funds by local

government units. Preform quality control audits to the

case loads of local government units and establtsh unifo m

budget standards for the use of state funds. It seems

to me that it dfrectly contradfcts the objectfon rafsed

by the veto message. The second objection was about the ..

it alleged that it would create inequality in payment

levels. But we already have lnequality in payment level

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as it is. Anyone below the one m111 rate doesn #tp..isn '' $

obliged to be on the state program 'and abeve that rate

we have a number of districts right now that do chose

' to go it their own way. If you are among the Members

of the Assembly that have to be concerned about the

potential impact 1et me lust simply say that I thînk

you misread the mood of the people with respect to the

proposition 13 sentiments. The real sentiment now is

for cutting back on property taxes in particùlar , ft is

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the most onerous tax we have and I suspect that a auaber of

local governments now that are gofng to the loan that ar

usfng property taxes to finance general assistance a

100Z will suddenly just throw in the towel and saya okay

weîll do it the states way.....and we show up on our

door steps and expect the state to reimburse for thefr

program. And I think that we're gofng to have an increa e

support level whether we like it or not....whether this

passes are not . So I think thm financial impact of this

' is problèmatic at best and I think it is quite likely

negligible. So finally in conclusion I would simply say

that the main th rust of this legislation is to give loca

governments control ever local funds. It cfll not take'

state control auay over state funds nor will it take

' state control away over the funds that wereo...had to

be raised to qualify as a state assistance. Thank you

r much . ''Ve y

speaker Redmond : ''Representatfve Kempiners.''

Kempiners: ''Thank you. Mr. Speaker. uill the Gentleaan yield?o

Bowman : ''Do it ''

Kempiners: ''I think I appreclate the sufficienue of what you 'r

trying to do but one question comes to my aind.....''

Speaker Redmond: HTV lights are on .''

Kempfners: 'lAnd thar'questfon is, vhat impact mlght this have

on federal participation or federal reimbursements for

general assistanee funds spentp

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' Bowman : '''None whatsoever .because Federal Government does not

parttcipate in general assistance programs. This is

wholly a matter between the state and local governments ''

Kempiners: ''Thank you .''

Speaker Redmond: 'Q s there anything further? Representative

Bowman . '' -

.1 j ' 11 >Bowman: I ask or a favorable Roll Call.

Speaker Redmond: MThe question isy shall House Bill 1270 pass

notwithstanding the veto of the Governor? A11 in favo'r

f I j , . 'fndfcate by votfng aye , oppose vcte nc . Have

a11 voted who wis:ed? Representative Woods Bowman.''

Bowman: ''We11. Mr. Speaker, I?m just a lfttle shocked at the

number of Republican w otes up there. I can really

appreciate...you know, wanting to support a Governor of

ones own party but really this is a local control matter

i'f there ever was one. And I can see a number of people

who are on the board right now who either aren gt voting

or voting 'no' for this who I know have been champions.. .

leaders i: tbis area and so I must say, I'm a little

pe/plexedv as why a local control B111 such as' this.o..that

vould give the locat units of government the right to

send thefr local moneya...locally raised money fn ways

tbat they nay see' fft. I can lt imagine wby someone wbo

felt tbat local control would oppose that. The only tax

that I can think of....the only tax funds that is 100Z

con....raised 100Z at tîe local level and control 100Z

at the state level. I mean, if anyone here can think

l of another one where the local goveraments are expecte'd ö

ante up 1005 for state program .w..l vould Iike to know

b t it This is' a state program that t:e locala Ou .

governnents are flnancfng and Dryfng ro get the state

off their backs. Thank you.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Have a1l voted ïzho tzfshed? 1:111 take the

record. Representatfve Bowman. Representative Bowman

desfres to have ft put on Postponed Consfderatfon. 506

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Representative Jaffe. Tomorrow is the last day to

consider any action with' respect to any veto actions of

' the Covernor so anything that we don't get taken care

of by tomorrow the veto stands. We only have today and

tomorrow. Representative Jaffe.''

Jaffe: 'îokay. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, 2506 is

the Limited Licènse Physfcian Bill whtch we have debated

on this floor and on many many occasions. Let me first'

start off by tellfng you that the Governor's message

is completely and totally wrong. Evidently the Governor

did not undersiand what was in the Bi11. The Bill does

not reinstate limited license physfcians. Actually vhat

2608 does is require applications for renewal of limited

license physicians by a certain date and also sets up

the strtlcture by whfc: these limited lièense physfcians

would be tested. I want you to note that the limited

license physicans would be tested by fully lieensed doctors.

Now lets get to the heart of the thing, I think we reall

got caught in the switches on this patticular situation

and werre not thinkfng about the people in mental

healtl: lnstitution . Let me tl--ata to 'yau categozically

that the Department of Mental Hea1th Plan has not worked.

It has absblutèly fatled. Not only has it fatled and it

has cost the people of this state a great deal of money .

Now lets start worrying about the patiènt in the mental

health institution and lets start worryfng about the

taxpqyer. Let me give you an illustration on that. on

March 1: 1978, we lost a hundred and six limited licen 'ed

physicans tbat we have now replaced wftb only fifty-

eipht full time equivalent, so to put it very bluntly

we have lost literary half the physican szaff that we

have had. We have lost forty-eight equfvalent of full

time physicaas and yet this program has increased b y at

least one million dollars. Let me give you some other

examples. We closed Chicago Reed Mental Hea1th Facility,

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j 'we ve said that we vere going to send these lndividuals

to private facilfties yet vhat has happeneds private

. facilities are not now taktng this partfcular patfent

and these patients are floating a11 over because of the

fact that we have closed that one particular medical

façility. I could go on and ony I could show you papers

and I can show you exposes,l show you a copy of a paper

of tbe Chicago Defender where they talk about bearing

new debts of mental health patfents here and they have

ran a series about the deaths that have happened in

mental health institutions. They had five reported earl

by the Chicago Defendery in this lates.t copy of the

Defender they go on to point out some more. And why do these

things occur? They occur because ve are not fully staff d

at those particular institutions. So 1et me say to you

that lf you vant to do something deeent and something

good, I think that we should pass this Bi11. we should

, override the Governorrs veto. We shoutd think about

t>e patients in the mental health fnstitutions and at

the same time you'll be doing the taxpayers a favor

because you're going to be saving over a million dollars ''

- - . . . . speaker Redmond : ''Are there any discussion? Representattve -

Holewinski .''

Holewinski: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Centlemen

of the Houve. I thfnk in reviewing this piece of legisl tfon

and whether you are going to vote to override the Covern r's

veto as I would hope you would. You want to take a look

at what the situation ts now in 'our state mental hosptta s

'When we heard testimony a year ago on mental starflng

in our state mental fnstitutions ue xzere told by the

department and by experts that the desfrable ratio of

doctor to patien ts ...full time doctors to patients

was about one doctor for every thirty patlents. At the

' tfme we were staffed at about a one to thirty-one ratio!

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which at least put us in the ball park . Since that time.

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and sfnce 'the,elimination of the limited licease physican .what we find now is that we have a rate of one doctor '

for approxfmately every forty-one patïents. We have ....

don't know exactly how to q'uantify the additional

contractual service money that was put into the Bt11 for

mental bealth 'earlier in the year because mental health

d es not provide us with those st at isti cs . But 1et ' so

talk zfurther about House Bill 2506. the Bill itself

does not restore the limited license physican in Illinoi .

What it does fs set up a procedure by which we can emplo

these people should a department chose to do so, by

setting up a fair method of clinical and o'ral' testing.

A11 it does is replace the written examination that many

have found difficult to pass by a test of abtlity and

a test of cllnical knowledge. That certainly seqms like

a reasonable approach , I think any of you who are Iïcèns d

professionals can think baek tè the çygm! that yöu may

' have taken to qualify for your profession twenty years .

ago...ten years ago. Think of taking....of being requir d

to take it again today and I think you will find that

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' . t h o u g h t S Ome Wh a t u f 'r i gh t en in g w ' ' . Bu t . 'ye t t h a t 1.s 'Yhat we -

did ask tbese people to do and that is why ve eliminated

their classification . There is two sides to this story

and two sides to thfs legislation I thlnk ought to be '

consitlered. 0ne is the practically side that I spoke

about and that is of tbe pkoper level of staffing in

Q'tqte mental institutions and the Other is the hunan

fde Huw an side not only 1n' terms of what is happenin gS .

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to our patïents and the kind of health care they are

getttng but the human side tn terms of the indtviduals

who we have taken advantage of...aused and now dfscarded

how that we feel we need them no longer. Ladles and

Gentlemen of the House I think that this is an important

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maintenance of people in our instttutions. I would

urge you to vote to override the Governor's veto.îl

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Màutino. Representative Maut'no.''

Mautino: ''Thank ..e.excuse me. Thank you, Mr. Speakers will

the Gentleman yield for a question? Will the Gentleman

yield for a questfon?''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Jaffe will yièld-l'

Mautino: ''Representatfve Jaffey since thfs change was made -

do you have any approximate idea of what the cost is now

since we have gotten away from the limited license

physicans to the general .,. #ractitioners in those

areas wbere they are needed for state institutfons?fî

Jaffe: 1fYeab....the price now is tbree point five mkllioi doll rs.

I might tell you that prior to this time it was two poin

two mfllfon dollars. So...and really that vas Just ffom'

year so the saving would be more than a million dollars.

Mautino'Acupone other huestion, Sir. I am amazed at the differe ce

in money because I happen to have Dixon Development

Mental Center in my legislative district. What I am

interested in knowing is, if in fact your legislation

was overridden where..t..first of all, wbere dtd the mone

come to pay tbe extra general practiEioners and secondly

. what would the saving be at the time it is overridden?'l

Jaffe: ''We11, I#m advfsed that they are only approprfated thfs

year on the departments budget but I don 't quiet under-

stand the rest of tbe question , Dick.''

Mautino: ''We11 my 4uestion basically is. where do we get the

ex tra money to pay tbe general practitioners when we

didn 't have it to pay the limited license phystcans at

the time?''

Jaffe: '1011, there Vas new funds actually put in. As a matter

of fact th ey said they were going to go' out and they wer

gofng to hire new doctors, the truth of the matter fs th y

haven 't been able to hire new doctors for the institutio s.

Wbat ve have done is we have turned our backs on these

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people who have worked in these institutions for years

and years and years and years. We have essentially thro n

them out and really haven't been able to replace them o''

Mautino: ''Thank you-''

Speaker Redmond: ''Anything further? Representatfve Satterthwa te.''

Satterthwaite: f'Wi11 the Sponsor yield?''

' Speaker Rednond: 'I e fndfcates that he wfl1.M

Satterthwaite: ''Representati/e Jaffe, according to' our staff

analysis it indicates that a11 but twenty of the lfmited

Iïcense physïcans have already left the State of Illinois and

thae those twenty still remain' in the state are employed

by the Department of Mental Health in capacities other

than limited license physicans. If that is an accurate

assessment of the limited license physicans potentiàlly '

benefiting by this Bill could we not say tthen that this s

really legislation designed to benefit a very ltmited

' small number of individuals within the state and might

fndeed be classed as specïal legfslatfon whfch fs un-

' constitutionalm''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Jaffe-fg

Jaffe : nHelen, 1et me say to you that I have on staff sitting

on my right over bere and your statement ts wrong. Basi ally

what was on the report was that out of a1l the limited

license physicans that were gotten rtd of. the hundred

and six that were gotten r1d of....what ve had vas thirt

who went back into the faeilities but they went in a

non medical capacity. I mean they are hanging on to som

sort of job but they are certainly not acting as limited

lfceuse physfcans. They are dofng dffferent types of

- work that is really more menial really in its nature.

So you have thirty , we'ldonr't know where the otber sevent -

sfx would be.''

Satterthvaite : 1'Ne11 again according to the staff analysls in

front of me, it says tkenty of those people are still

in the employ of the department fn other positions and t at

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the other's either pass the flex exal: and are now

fully licensed or they have left the state or retired

from practice. And if that is true it seems to me that

we are indeed designing legislation to be a speciftc

value to twenty potential people who might benefit from

this.' And in addftfon thefr lfcenses. even the lfmfted

license that they had havef'expired on october 1, of 1978.

As a member of the Comiiskion on mental hea1th 1 have '

had not one complaint from anywhere in the'state that ''

. people fn institutioaal care are receiving less adequate

medfcal attentfon than they dfd previous to March l of

this year. I dô not see that there is any aeed for this

legislation dt this time, the transition has been mades

we have ungraded the medical advtq'e and aésistance avail b1e

to us in our mental health institutions. And I feel tha

it would be a disservice to the people of the state to

take a step backwards at this point. I urge you to upho d

the covernor's veto on thfs measure.''

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Johnson .'î

Johnson': !%7e11, Mr. Speaker, I .stand in support of tbe positio

. of my colleague from tbe 52nd District, Representative .

' Satterthwaite. This Bi11 is a classic'example of tbe

'erosion of professionalism. We license certain professi >

the medical prpfessfon.the dential professionzthe legal

profession and others for the protection of the public.

. The people have to meet certain standards in order 'to

practice medicine or practice dentistry. Yet we make

this kind of exceptton when our whole purpose of enaetin

licensing regulation to begin with is to protect the

blfc. I opposed ehe one year exeeM 'fon when it camePu

up early in 1977, and to approve this House Bill 2506

would be totally abrogate our responsibilfty to the peop e

of Illinois and tbe standards of health that they expect

us to protect or to errect in thKir support. And I thin

that the covernor's veto stated reasons are accurate. th y

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could be stated even more strongly and I vould certatnly

urge every Member of this ceneral Assembly to vote

' ' i 'to override .'' 'no on thts mot on

Speaker Redmond: Representative Jaffe to close. .

Jaffe: ''To close lettmè'Aju'st respond to the Representative

from Champaign. And 'let me say to her .that whea she

was reading the veto analysis she was not reading the

comments of our staff peopley she was reading the

covernor's statement.'..And.l.z.thfnk'l' safd 'riàht''off the

top that I thought the Governor's statement was tetally

and completely off the wall and was reall#oo.didn't

understand wbat this Bi11 was really a1l about. To re-

iterate, 1et me tell you that since March -ls' 1978. we

haee lost forty-eig:zt full time plzysicaus in this partic 1ar

state. And yet the program bas increased by over a mill on

dollars and I'm now told that it mfght be increased by

close to three point five million dollars. We have clos d

mental health facilities that we really need, we are not

taking care of our mentally i11 the way we actually

should. The only way we are gofng to rectïfy this

- - ' J particular thing is by overriding the Governor'on House '*

Bill 2506. If you w ant to do the right thin g. If you

want to do the humane thing and if you want to help the

patients fn our mental lnstitutions I think you should

vote 'yesl for an override on House Bill 2506.:1

speaker Redmond: ''The question fsy shall House Bill 2526...

. 506 pass notwitbstanding the veto of the Governor. A11

in favor signify by voting 'aye' opposed vote 'no '.@'

Representative Conti.'' '

Contf : ''Mr . Speaker in explainfng hy vote please o''

Speaker Redmond: HProceed.n

Conti: ''Mr. Speaker I remember back fffteeny sixteen years

ago when we asked thes e doct ors . . .11m1t ed license doc t or

to take these j obs and now a11 o f a sudden we come in

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I brush to try and g.t rid of some of these limited licens

people. I don't care if it is one person ,five people or

ten people or twenty people that are left, I don 't think

that fs the sufficivnt thing here. The thing is that webre

dealtng with their lives...that spent eighteen years of

their life there and they got two and three and four

years left to go for service in the State of Illinofs

, ' , v .and now we re shutin the door right behind them. I thin

that we should give 107 votes on this and keep them as

limited lfcense physicans and nobody is going to suffer

any consequences at a11 on this Bi11.''

speaker Redmond: ''Ha#e a11 vobed who wished? Representative

Holeoin'ski.''

Holeuihak'ii 'fThank you : Mr. Speaker. To explain my votes I

think it sbould be stressed that this does noto...this

B.il1 will not have the effect of restoring a11 the

lfmited llcense physfcans to thefr statis of mental

hospttals. There are a 1ot of things that would have

. to proceed that, but ffrst of al1 what ft does is requfr

testing. It requires that they prove tbeir confidence

that they are able to...before a panel of fully lfcensed

. phyétcàns to demodittatè tdât they have the clinical z-

and academic 'ability to deal with patients on a day to

day basis. That is a fair thing to do, that is a thing Thin

that most professionals would prefer if they were requir d

to be re-licensed and had to come before some sort of

re-licensing panql every certatn number of years. I

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think Lhar it is a reasonable approach to the problems

it has the proper screen ing mechanism built into thts .

And it is a fair approach and I would urge those of you

who are still considering this legislation to vote in

favor of t:e override.''

Speaker Redmond: 'îRepresentative Frtedrich.''

Friedrfèh: HMr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'm quite

familiar with tbe care of patfents at Murray Center and

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sfnce ve have elfminated ehese liafted license physfeans.t .

. we nov have tvo pediatrfcians and aa internïst and a ful

staff of board people there. And I have been told by

al1 of those out there wbo are familiar with ita they ba e

never had better care and it is much superior to what

they had with the limited ltcense physicans. I think

that we ought to be concerned more about the care of

1 those mental patients tban we are about these limited

license physicans.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Mann.''

Mann: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I want to explain

my 'aye' vote here. This is a very serious question .

mental illness fs one of the most serio'us problems in

the State of Illinois. We are dealing with men who have

compassion and experience fn the treatment of mental

illness. The people that they are being replaced with

are people who bave hpen largely educated in Asia .where he

statùs and sophisticatfon of kreatm'ent of mental illness

is not nearly what it is here in the states. So we're

dealing with people who have demonstrated the ability

for a long time to treat the mentally 111y we excepted

that ald lity...owe accepted that experience and now we

are turning our backs not so much on them but on the

people in the mental institutions. And with a11 due '

respect to my esteec dcolleague from Champaign County ,

if he ês talking about professïonalfsm he ought to be

talking about the people who have had the experfence

of dealing wfth the mentally fll. He ought to visft

som e of our mental fnsttcutfons where we have serious

problems of our under-staffing. He ought to vfsit

some of our fnstitutfons vhere people do not receive

adequate care. At least these limited llcense physicans

have had the experience and the know how and the compass on .

And I think we ought to put l07 votes on there not so

much for them but the large population of mentally 111

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people fn the State of Illinois who cannot speak for the -

selves. We must speak for Ehem. Let's get 107 votes

on that boardy Ladies and centlemen. This fs a very

sufficient Bi11 .H

Speaker Redmond: HHave a11 voted' who wished? Represeatative

Jaffe.''

Jaffe: g'You know, Ladies and Gentlemen, I really thiak that so e

of you are mfssfng the fssue conpletely over here. T

think the prime motivation of anybody here should be

the care of our patients in tbe mental hospital: And

it seems to me tîat I don 't see hop anybody ean get on

this floor and say when the medical staff has been cut

in half that your service is better than ever. You know

vhat the Departnent of Mental Hea1th has tried to do is

they have tried to come in wïth certain servtces that

they can transport. Now those contractual services are

really fast services because when someone comes in there

they never see the same doctor two days in a rolè. They

may come in there for a day or two days or three days

or whatever you have. There is no continuity of service

tbere is no service that I think anybody in thfs room

- .'=- vf11 want. to be subleceed to. You have to .understand -

that the limited license physicans are individualsy you

know who were in our institutions when they were called

snake pits and they were the people who actually brought

tbe institutions up and they worked very hard and very

diligently for these institutions and for the State

of Illinois. And I might tell you ehat they worked

at wages that physicans.-..that fully license physicans

would not be working at the present time. Yob know . let'

go to the record of veto, what does the veto say about

these lfmited license physicans. Be appeared before

the Senate Commtttee and he said, I think that these

fully...that these limited lfcense physicans are really

qualffîed...they are really qualified. The only thing

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is that they haven't passed this one test and I really

don't thfnk that ft is too important but this is our

polfcy so that fs our policy. Well that 's all rfght

before the election but now the election is over and

I think it is time for us to Torget about that election

and to start worrying about the poor people in our

mental instftutions and also if you 're worried about

the taxpayers then you also have to go for this B1l1.

' so I would urge an 'aye' vote and urge you to override

the Governor's veto on House Bfll 2506.1'

speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Deuster.''

Deuster: ''Mr. Speaker and tadiey and Gentlemen of the Housey

' f hat I 'm casting I view as a practicalthe aye vote t

vote. If you know anythfng about the number of doctors

we have in Illinois you will knov that g'enerally we

bave a shortage of doctors. There are many towns ewhere

they can 'e persuade a dector to coae there because efthe

it is a small town in a rural areaw.wthe doctors can

' make big money in the big city . They wi1l make big

money in other states, we bave a hard time keepfag docto s

here in Illinois. So the practical matter, we have trou le

geiting doctoès in oue communities out in the free

enterprise area where they can get attractive and good

wages and fees. Now how are we gofag to get them to

serve at these low .e.lower salarfes in the mental

institutions. Tbey are just not going to be thereithey

are just not gofng to go there. And so the practfcal

macter if you 're voting lyes ' you 're voting 'yes' to

allow these doctors who have been serving these people

so compassionately to continue their services. And if

you're votlng 'no' you're really- .you're not voting

to help the poor people in the fnstitutions the' way

you might think . Your Rno' vote is not really to rais

the care but to really knock out any medical care at

all. And so I hope that you wi11 view this in a practic 1

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continu'e to haye these doctors for conseientious and devoted

' and you know many of them have called on youy you've

met them personally. Let 's put sone more 'aye' votes '

. on there so We can pass this Bill and allow these people

to continue to have the service tbey lve got now . They

are not going to get it under the present circumstance

of this doctor shortage which we suffer from in Illinois ''

S'peaker Redmond : ''Representative Schuneman .l'

schuneman : ''Thank...thank you, Mr. Speaker. By way of ex-

plaining ky vote, Mr. speaker. I want to reiterate

wbat the previous speaker has said, I think he has

' . goiten right to the heart of this matter. The State

of Illinois simply could not afford to hfre fullyk .

lieensed doctors to care for people in mental institution .

That was a fact that was demonstrated by the fact that

institutions throughout the state attempted for Qany

years to recruit fully licensed doctors and they vere

' unable to do so. Pnder the limited license method every

lfmfted license physfcan vas praceicfng under the

direction and supervtsion of a fully licensed physican .

- ' - ' hat these people were actfng more fn whét I would 'so t

consider to be .....as medics where they were operating

directly under the control of a fully licensed physican.

Now since we have elimfnated those temporary licenses

ve fïnd that for example, facflities like Dixon where

they had a full staff of limited license physlcans....

nou those people are belng served by a limited partner-

ship of physicans who practice nearby and come out to

the Dlxon Developmental Center only on a part-time

basis and I believe that approval of this Bill and the

override of tbe Governorgs veto will result in better

health care for the people in those institutions.n

Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Represeatative

Johnson.''

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Johnson: ''Only to ask for a verification if this unfortunately'

' recefves the requfred number of votes.''

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Pullen. Representative Pulle .''

Pullen : #'Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Illin is

has made a great deal of progress in mental health eare

in our state hospitals over the last ten .o.fffteen years

Thïs progress happened vhile the limfted Ifcense physfca s

were on board. During the years since tbey left we have

seen the quality of care slip. I'm wondering how long

you want to walt. What crisis do you want to see

partfcipated before you will help tbe state admit that

ït was wrong. I voted for the Bfll orfglnally that

threw the limfted license physicans out two years ago

and 1 tater learned more information about the situation

and I have supported Representative Jaffe's Bfll since the

time that he put it in. These doctors are fully qualifi d

they...unfortunately for them and us were not trafned

tn such a way as to know hov to take American licensing

. tests and tbat is their sin. But they do practice medlci e

and they do it well and they have been doiag it well for

years tn our mental hospitals. It is not tbe-kind 'of

assignment that' a fully licensed physican has alvays

dreamed about being able to fulfill. It is impossible

to recruit fully ltcensed physicans to work full time.

The ones who are working are working on a consultant

basis. They are not providing the kind of full time

care tbat our patients need and I urge you to please

vote 'yes' to override this veto SO that we can go back

to an improvement in mental health care tn Illinois and

averL the crisis which will come. Thank you .''

Speaker Redmond: 'lRepresentative Bluthardt.îî

Bluthardt: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House.

You know. I'm not a blèéding heart but my heart does

bleed for these doctors who have been brought over here

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provfded thefr services to the mentally i11 with thefr

limited licenses and now a year ago they were thrown

out. No thanks, no nothing Just outo...you're out. I

don 't know of anythfng aore crude more crasq more rude

than the treatment that these limited physicans have

' received here in Illinois. We opght to be thankful to

them for tbe work they've doae. We found out that we

have not been able to replace them with fully licensed

doctors and it is costing us money to bring in fully x

. licensed 'doctors but' the main point is that ve haven 't

been able to provfde those doctors. Thank God. we '

ought to give these people an opportunity to continue

to earn a living and continue to provide the care that

the mentally i11 need in this state. TO y don 't you give

them that extra vote they need and put them back to

work where they belong.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Representative

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* McGrew . Representattve Jacobs.

Jacobs: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, I just can't

understand wby we can 't get enough votes up there...l

thfnk we have now so tbatîse.... Years ago when East

Moline Statè'Hospital, we had twenty-two hundred patient .

Today we have three hundred and eighty and the way they

do away with your mental hospitals today is to cut down

on the medical care and then fn turn they put them fn

nursing homes with 'a pocket full of tranquilizers. I

' think that our mental hospitals- .-if we want to do avay

wielz them then do away with tbe medical care and I think

this is one of the reasons that we 're going to lose

East Molfne State Hospftal. the one probably at Alton

and many others in the state ..- and this is the way

to get rid of them. Wefre following the pattern of

what happened in California ten years ago. Today they

are building new ones and I ask for some more 'aye'

votes up there. Let's put it over bigm''

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Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Criesheimer.'î

Grieshefmer) ''Thank youy Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry that welre

beyond the point of asking questions on tbis but I

would just ask the membership to open up their Dikest

to page 111 and read the Digest on this particular

' :f1l. Ay the Senate Amendment it appears that our

actions bere are totally fruitless. It provfdes a'

time period for renewal from March 1: 1978 to october

1, 1978, or a month aad a half after that. It doesn 't

appear that the passage of thfs Bf11, even over a veto.

would have any effect whatsoever and thus I think vefre

spinning our wheels. I think that if the Sponsor 'wants

to accomplisb this end the best he could do is reintrodu e

the Bi1l. But this B1l1 just doesn't do vhat he says '

it does.'î

Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wish? The Clerk vill

take the record. On this question there's 112 'aye? and

54 êno ê. Representatfve Deavers, for what purpose do

ou rise ? ''y

Deave r s : ''Mr . Spe aker , I ' d like t o reque s t a veri f i cation .

-. . ..... p leas e . ''

Speaker Redmond: 'eThe Gentleman has requested a verfffcation

of the Affirmative Roll Call. Representative Jaffe

has requested a poll of the absentees. Mr. Clerk ,

will you poll the absentees.''

Clerk o'Brien: l'ltape failure). Schisler, Telcser and

Van Duyne-î'

Speaker Redmond: î% o11 the absentees, please , Mr. Clerk .

Okay, now poll the Affirmative Roll Ca11.''

Clerk Ha1l: 'îAbramson . Antonovych . E.M . Barnes. Jane

Barnes. Bartulis. Beatty. Bianco- Birchler.

Bluthardt. Boucek. Bowman., Bradley. Brady. Brandt.

!Breslin. Brummet. Byers. Caldwell. Catania.

Chapman. Collins. Contiu Corneal Davfs. Deuster.

Domieo. Do e. Jo D a Enton. Elzel .

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Ewing. Farley. Flinn. Friedland. . Gafnes. Garmisa.

Geo-Karis. Getty. Giorgf. Greiman . Hanaban.

Hoffman. Holewfnski. Dan Houlihan . J.M. Houlihan .

' uoxsey. Hudson . Huff. Hu'skey. Jacobs. Jaffe.

Emil Jones. Kane. Katz. Keats. Kelly. Klosak.

Kornowicz. Kosinski...o''

Speaker Redmond: NRepresentative Kozubokski, for what purpose

do you rfse?''

Kozubowski: HMr. Speaker, would you please change my vote

'no' to 'a e' 11from y .

Speaker Redmond: 'Q hange the Gentleman from 'no' to 'ayev.''

clerk Hal1: ''Levin . Lucco . Macdonald. Madigan. Madison.

Mahar. Mann. Margalus. Marovitz. Peggy Smith Martin .

.Matejek. Matijevich. Matula. Mcclain. Mccourt.

McGrew. Mctendon. McMaster. Mcpike. Meyer. Molloy.

Murphy. Nardulli. Neff. Pierce. Pouncey.

Pullen . Reed. Reflly. Richmond. Robinsèn . Sandquist

Schlickman . Scbneider. Schuneman. Sbûmpert. Steczo.

' E.G . Steele. Taylor. Terâich. Totten . Tuerk.

Vitek. VonBoeckman. R.V . Walsb . W .D. Walsb. Willer.

Williams. Younge. Yourell. Mr. Speaker.''

Speaker Redmond: Representative Cappare . .

capparelli : ''For my Polish leader: Walter'Kozùbowski, would ..

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o u vot e me ' aye ' 1 'fy

Spe aker Redmond : f'Repre sent at ive Deavers y any cltal lenges

t 0 t h e A f f i rmat ive Ro 11 C a11 ? ê'

D a V e r S : 'î Ab r aln s O n . ''e

speaker Redmoad : 'lR/presentative Abramsou here? Abram son .

How is he recorded?'' '

Clerk Ha11: NThe Centleman is recorded as votfng 'ayeg.''

Speaker Redmond : ''Take him off.''

Deavers ; ''E M Barnes.'f

Speaker Redmond: ''E M . Barnes. He's here.''

Deavers; ''Bfanco.''

S eaker Redmond: 'êTake Abramso o . :1 o was tha ?1'

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Deavers; ''Bian co.''

Speaker Redmond: î'Representatfve B'ianco ts in his seato''

Deavers: ''Boucek-'l

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Boucek. Representative

Boucek here? Remove him-l'

Deavers: f'Bradley-n

Speaker Redmond: î'Representative Bradley here? How is he

rec'orded?''

Clerk Ha11J 'îThe Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye#.''

speaker Redmond: ''Remove him .''

Deavers: 'V tape fallurel''

k f'Who? Representative Caldwell is heSpea er Redmond: .

on the floor?' How is 'Representative Caldwell recorded?''

Cle'rk Ha11: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayeTo''

speaker Redmond: ''Remove him .''

Dekvers: ''catania.''

speaker Redmond; 'fRepresentative Catanias is she on the floor?

Is Representative Tcatania où the floor? Yeah y she's

next to McBroom .''

Deaveré: ''Representative Chapman .''

Speaker Redmond: ''She's here fn the atsle.''

Deavers: ''Representative Edgar. Representatlve Edgar here?

How is he rdcorded?''

Clerk Hall; ''The Gentleman fs recorded as voting 'aye?.''

speaker Redmond: ''Remove him.f'

Deavers: ''Representative Garmfsa.''

Speaker Reduond: ''Representative Garmisa here? RoT; f:

he recorded?'l .

' clerk Ha11: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayel-''

speaker Redmon d: HRemove him .''

Deavers: ''Hanahan .''

speaker Redmond: ''Hanahane I hear' himy he's way in the back -''

Deavers: ''Hadigan .''

Speaker Redmond: ''Madigan is here.''

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Sp e aker Redmond : ''Rep re sent at ive Yahar . lle ' s down in f ron t . ''

Deavers: HRepresentative Huskey.''

Speaker Redmond: 'Q s Representative Huskey on the floor? How

is he recorded?l'

Clerk Ha11: ''The Gentlemah is recorded as voting 'aye î.'l

Speaker Redmond: ''Remove him. ' .

Deavers: ''Representative Neff: fs be on the floor? How is

he trecorded?''

$ clerk Ha11: l'The Gentleman is recorded as vottng 'aye'.''

speaker Redmond: '''Remove him.''

Deavers: nRepresentative Kane.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Kane...he's the good tennis

player there in the middle. Representatire Neff has

returned, Put him back on the Rbll Ca11.''

Deavers: HRepresentative Lucco.''

speaker Redmond: îîWho was that?''

Deavers : ''Lucco .''

speaker Redmond: nHe 's here-ii' his seat, hegs the lfttle

fellow .ff

Deavers: ''ltape failurele'

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Boucek is backs put hfm

back on the Roll Call. Who was the last one you had7f'

Deavers : ''èlatlison .''''

Speaker Redmond: l'Representative Madison.- You: name is Keats ,

they didn't verify you one.way or the other. Represen-

tative Madison on the floor? How is he recorded?''

clerk Hal1: ''The Gentleman fs recorded as vetlng 'aye'.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Remove htm .''

Deavers': ''Margalus.n

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Margalus fs back there.''

Deavers: ''Representative Friedrich .''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Friedrieh is voting fno'.''

Deavers: ''Could I have a number to see how mucb more I needk

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Speaker Redmond: HHe's right here. Oh, we'll the other one

is back tber'e/ ' T think .n Representative Christensens

- zs.' . 'did we take him offk'î

Deavers: ''No we didn't bother himy''

Speaker Redmond: î'Anything further, Representatfve Deavers?

Anything furthery Representative Deavers?''

Deavers: IQ lost my glasses, Mr. Speaker. I can 't see that .

far. that's one of the problems.''

N Speaker Redmond: f'Maybe itrs tears. Any further questions

of the Affirmative Roll Ca11?H

Deavers: ''No more questionszî

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Madfson has returned, put

hfm back on the Roll Call. Mr. Clerk , vhat ïs the

scorak On this question therè's 108 'aye' and 53 'uo'.

The House, having...the motion. having received

the Constitutional three-fifths majorityy prevails and

the House Bill is declared passedy notvithstanding

the veto of the Governor. 529. Representative

Mulcaheyo''

Mulcahey: HThank you: Mr. Speaker, Members of the House . Hous

- . . - - - - - ' Bill 2529 is- thewappropriation Bill for twenty-six

million seven hundred thousand dollars for the construct on

of the Freeport bypass. This Bill passed out öf the

House and out of the Senate overwhelmfngly, overwhelming y

as far as I'm concerned and it even came back to the....

came back to the House for concurrence after it left

the Senate. And T v/uld move rlght norz that ve overrlde

the Covernor 's veto on House Bfll 2529.1'

Speaker Redmond: î'Did you find David? George Ryan wants htm .

' Representative uinchester.''

Winchester: ''Ne11> Mr. Speaker: I hate to stand in opposition

' to the Representatfves motion but I think it should

be polnced out that there is just not five and a half

millfon dollars in our road fund and that is what he 's

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asking for. And I think I should also point out to the

Body that Secretary Kramer bas been to h1s legislative

district on at least two different occasions and each

time he indicated to the Legislator that he vould suppor

this Freeport bypass as soon as they were able to obtain

the funds. Where talking about Federal Funds net Road

Eunds and as we al1 know we could obtafn 75...25: fuadin

if we wènt the federal rdute instead of trying to take

the money out of the Road Fund. Which would mean that

we would only bè-using about a millfoa or mfllion and

a half out of the Road Fund. And I would also like to

point out to,the Body that the plans for the Freeport

bypass are not even on the design stage yet so. we gre

a long way away 'of having to do any construction or any

need for the approprfatfon of *he Freeport bypass. Se

ITm asking the Body....I'm saying to the Body that we

just don't have the money.in the Road Fundy this is

something that 1 think the Legislators should wait untft

the next Gener'al Assembly..o.work with the Department

of Transportation and perhaps ffnd the Federal Funds at

that time aùd go through thef budgetary process and not

try ft through thfs route. Thank you.''

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Cunningham.'e

cunaingham : ''Wel1 Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, before any of you are tempted by the charisma

of the Sponsor to go over the cliff in the sea of fiscal

irresponsibility, #ou ought to thfnk Just a little abou

the bond ...the 's eries A bond fund . Many of you think

of it as a fund tbat has no limits you should recognize

that tbe authorization for S'ertes A bonds in the State

of Illinois the total aurhorization is nine hundred and

sixty-two million dollars. But unfortunately we have

a1ready ......''

Speaker Madigan: 'Q he Chair.recognizes Representative Ryan.

The Chair recognizes Representative Ryan.'l

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Ryan : ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I understand that there is a

Resolution filed with the Clerk and I wish that the Cler

woul; read that Resolutfonz' Mr. Speaker tould we have

. ' . ' a little order in the chamber please, It is a very

fmportant Resolutfon .''

Speaker Madtgan : DMr. Clerk. pkoceed with the reading of the

Resolution.îî

Nclerk OîBrien : ''House Resolution 1162, Madigan-Ryan . Whereasy

our distinguished Speàker and good friend, William A.

'Wild Willy' Redmond, has worked long and hard in the

service of this House and this state; and whereas,

#Wi1d Willy g has abandoned his former lucrati#e career a a

child model as a professional engineer, and as an attor ey

at law , to serve this institution futl time. morning, ne n

. and night; and whereas, in thè .process IWild Willy ' has

. shed many pounds; and whereas, the Membershfp fs concern d

and Jealous over our Speaker's continued loss of veight;

and whereas, îuild Willyl has once again celebrated his

' 39th birthday, on Saturday, November 25. 1978; and

whereas, this is a fitting and suitable occasion for

. 'Wi1d Willy' Redmond to regain the full substance of his

, former self; therefore be it resolved by the House of

Representatives of the 80th General Assembly of the Stat

of Illinois that in celebration of his birthday, we

present our Speaker with a suttable rich and.k..birthday

cake with our heartfest wishes for a happy and healthy

bfrthday and be ft further resolved, that the Menbers of

thts llouse of Representatives, having taken a cue fron Fz'e

example set forth by our Speaker , dedicates this cake to

'Wild Willy ' and only to 'Wild Willy' and charges him wi h

the full responsibflity of disposing of this delicious

token of our esteem and affection without assistance fro

his lovely family, devoted staff or many friends in

this General Assembly.'? .

speaker Madigan : f'Mr. Ryan.f'

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Ryan: ''We11, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemeu

of the House. I would first like to have leave to have

a11 of the Members added as Sponsors of this Resolution

then I would ask for the adoption of the Ayendment or. A'

the Resolution fn as much ap this is the second time

that Speaker Redmond bas had his 39th bfrthday. We vaat

to be a11 on this Resolution and congratulate him in

behalf of his birthday . We are a little late, Mr. Speak r

only because you didn 't keep us here last Saturday and

I#m sure had you known we were gofng to have a cake for

you you would have kept us in . I vould move for a

unanimous Roll Call on the Resolution for the adoption-''

Speaker Madigan : 'îMrs. Geo-Karis.'î

Geo-Karis: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.

the o1d nose in the back.o..and just subside. It is not

often that the Speaker gets seventy years ànd is sttll

the Speaker and number two, wè never have Session on

his birthday and 'sinee I'm going to be leaving this

beautiful....wonderful House wfth a11 the noses. let's

sing happy birthday to Bi11. Happy birthday to yous

happy hirthday to vou, happy birthday dear Billy hapry

'

birthday to ypu.''

speaker Madigan: NMr . Cunningham .''

cunnïngham ; ''Mr. Speaker, I would call your attentïon to rhe

fact that b0th of these Gentlemen have designs . on your

chair. Have someone else test tbe cake firstw''

Speaker Madigan: ''Speaker Redmondv''

speaker Redmond : ''M r. Speaker and Minority Leader...long may

he vave....friends of the Bouse. You know to say that

I'm touched is minfmizing the feeling that I havey tt

has been a loag time....I doa 't know if I ever celebrated

a birthday here actually in Sessfon but you know: to

be wfth your friends and to have a expression of friend-

ship like this is....ve11, I just can't explain how I '

feel about it. The only thing that 1 can say isy I don '

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really believe that I could finish it myself so I'm goin

to ask Chalkfe here to help me. Thank youn .thank you

r much .''ve y

Speaker Madfgan : ''A1l those in favor of the adoption of the

Resolution signify by voting 'aye'y a11 those opposed

by voting rno'. ....sha11 take the record. Mr. Ryan.'?

Ryan: ''Could we put that on Postponed Consideration?''

Speaker Madigan : 'fWe wfll run a new Roll Ca11.''

Ryan: ''A new Roll Call, al1 right. That's Lechowicz's lob.

Mr . speaker now that we have 'Wild Willy' Speaker Redmon

in a mellow mood I would request a Republican Conference

in room 118. fmmediately .''

Speaker Madigan : HTake tbe record on the motion for the adopti n

of the Resolutfon. There will be a Republican caucus

immediately . Mr. Mulcahey....l4r. Yulcahey zî

Mulcabey: ''We11, Mr. Speaker I believe we're on House Bill

2529 prior to the Resolutiony''is it not in order to

go back before we have this caucus?''

'

ker Madigan: ''I'm not aware of what our posture xzas at theSpea

time I assumed the Chair. Was it your Bi11? Do you

uish to proceed? I think that if you vish eo proceed

Ehen we ought to do t:at.''

Mulcahey: ''I think so, Mr. Speaker, we've had some debate on this

already and so 1....1'

speaker Madijan: ''AII right, the Clerk shall return to the

order of business. Mr. Ryan , after the vote oa this

particular Bill we will recess for your caucus and who

Iwas speaking au the time of the interruptioa? Mr.

Cunningham: do you wish to address the Body again.oono .

Is there any further debate on tbis 1ssue?.....''

speaker Redmond : ''Rep resentative Mulcahey , isn ' it ....to closd .''

Mulcahey: î'Mr. Speaker, I would settle for leave to use the

last Roll Call if there is no objectionsa''

speaker Redmond: ''Is there any oblectfon to usfng the last .

unanimous Roll Call? Representative Ryan.'f

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Ryan : ''I obJ ect . ''

Speaker Redmond: 'îokay . The question is, shall House Bill

2529 pass notwithstanding rhe veto of the Governor. A11

in favor vote 'aye'y opposed vote 'no'. Have a11 voted

who wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Have all voted

who wished? The Clerk will take the record. on this

question there is 81 'aye' and 67 'no' and the motion

having fafled to receive the Constitutional three-fifths

majorfty fs hereby declared lost. Do you want to recessy

Representative Ryan?''

Ryan : ''Thirty minutesy Mr. Speaker ought to be sufficient in

room 118, 1:11 repeat that.''

Speaker Redmond: HThe Republicans will have a conference in

room 118. We will be back on the floor at 4:15. Rep-

resentative.Yourell desires to be recorded as votfag

'aye' on the last Bill. Any objections? Hearing none

he will be so registered. Half an hour: 4:15.:: '

Speaker Redmond: êêMessages from the Senate.''

Clerk o'Brien : '1A message from the Senate by Mr. Wrights Secret ry.

Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Rep-

resentatives that the Senate accepted the Governor's

specific recommendations for change which are attached

to the Bill of the following title. The acceptance to

which Iîm instructed to ask concurrence of the House to ''

wft; Senate Bill 1790, action taken by the Senates Novemb r

28, 1978 by a three-fifths vote. Kenneth Wrights Secreta y.'e

Speaker Redmond: HAgreed Resolutions. Representative Gforgiog'

Clerk olBrien : DEouse Resolution 1144, Mepike. 1145, Dave Jone .

1146, Kelly. 1147, Johnson . 1148, Johnson. 1149,

Simms-ciorgi. 1150, Pullen. 1151, Catania. 1152.

Chapman . 1153, Chapman . 1154, Chapman. 1155, Chapman .

1156, Waddell. 1157, McAuliffe. 1158, Emil Jones. 1159.

Van Duyne. 1161, Chapman.''

Speaker Redmond; ''Representative Ciorgi.''

Gforgf: ''Mr. Speaker, Mcpikes 1144 compliments the Graaite City

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South High School Warrlors on their soccer championship.

' 1145, J.D. Jones notes the criffin High School golf team

won the C1ass''AA golf championshtp. Kelly's 1146 tells

about a church one hundred and twenty years old. Johnso 's

1147 congratulates the Arcola S & K Rigging of Arcolay

Illinois . Johnson 's 1148 denotes the Arcola Purple Ride s.

Simms 1149 bestows on David Stahl an Eagle Scout award.

Pullenîs 1150 measures the birth of a tea pound three

ounce giant...... Catania's 1151 honors Jorie Lueloff.

of Channel 5 in Chicago . Chapman, 1152 tells of a defea .

Chapman,.1153 the girls archery champions. Chapman, l15

ftnds somebody won an archery tit1e....1155 is a Death

Resolution. 1156 denotes a birthday . 1157 talks about

a corner stdhe. 1158 brags about marrfage. 1159 eulogf es

Joliet Catholic High School. 1161 talks about a Vice

President in the Labor Unions. I move for the adoption

of the Agreed Resolutions.î'

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentatige Giorgi moves the adoption

of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor indicate

by saying 'aye's opposed 'no'. The 'ayesf have it and

the motlon carries. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted.

--' - In troduc tton eirs t- Rea-dinz.----'' r.v - -- - -7'-A o - - -

clerk O'Brien; ''House Bï11 3446p Chapman. A Bill for an Act

to anend Sections of the Ambulatory Surgical Treatment

Center Act. Ffrst Reading of the Bi11. House Bill 3447,

Chapman. A Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the

Illinois Public Aid Code. First Reading of the Bt11.

llouse Bill 3$':8, Chapnan. . X Bill for an lct to appropri te

funds to the Department of Public Hea1th. First Reading

of the Bfll.H

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Madigan y are you seeking

recognition?''

Madigan: HMr. Speaker, the Clerk has distributed a Supplementa

Calendar and a11 of tbe Bills on that Calendar are on t%

Order of Flrst Legislative Day. Therefore I now move

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to suspend Rule 33-A in order that we may consider these

House Bills on Second Readtng today . And I so move.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Is there any discussion? The question fs on

the Gentleman's motion....Representative Ryano''

Ryan: ''èlr. Speaker is the motion on the Supplemental Calendar?'î

Speaker Redmond : ''It is on the Supplemental Calendar.''

Ryan: ê'Supplemental //1 on a1l the Bflls there.''

Speaker Redmond: HSupplemental //1 started with 3419. 3420. 342 ...''

Ryan : ''Why don't we have....why donlt the Clerk read those so

we know for sure what wefre talking about.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Would you read them, Mr. Clerko''

clerk o 'Brien: HHouse Bills, Second Reading, Ffrst Legislative

Day. House Bills 3419, 3420, 3422. 3423, 3424. 3425.

3426, 3427, 3428, 3429, 3430, 3432, 3433, 3434. 3437,

3438, 3439, 3442 and 3444.'1

' Ryan: ''Tbank you. 1 have no objectiong,Mr. Speaker.''

speaker Redmond: nl u'nderstand that Represeatative Ryan says

it is okay . Do we have leave to use the Attendance Rell

Call in support of the motton. Hearing no objectiony

leave is granted and tbe Attendance RO1l Call be used.

House Cills, Secend Rçading. 3$19.:'

Clerk O 'Brien: HHouse Bi11 3419. a Bill for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act making certain appropriations, re-

appropriations and amending certain act: in relation the e

to. Second Reading of the Bills ao Committee Amendmeats.''

Speaker Redmond: MAny Amendments from the floor?''

clerk O fBrien: ''None.''

speaker Redmond : ''Th ird Reading . 3420 .''

Clerk O 'Brien : ''House Bi11 3420, a Bill for an Act making.

supplemental appropriations''to the State Board of Educat'on.

Second Reading of the Bi11, Ameadment Iik was adopted in

Commftteez?

Speaker Redmond: ''Any motion with respect to Amendment (!1?'1

Clerk o 'Brien : ''xo motions filed.''

Speaker Redmond : HAny Amendments from the floor?''I

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clerk o 'Brien : '1No further Amendments.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Third Reading. 3422.''

clerk o 'Brien: HHouse Bi11 3422, a Bi11 for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and

contingent expense of various state agencies. Second

Reading of the Bfll, no Committee Amendmentso''

Speaker Redmond; HAny Amendments from the floor?''

Clerk o 'Brien : HAmendment //1, Ryan. amends House Bill 3422

by strfking one line through four and inserting in lieu

thereof; the following and so forth .'?

Ryan: ''Q hank you, Mr. Speaker. I move for the adoptioa of

Amendment //l to House Bill 3422.11

speaker Redmond: 'Q s there any discussion? The question is

on the Gentleman 's motion fn tbe adoption of the Amendme t.

Those in favor say 'aye' oppoàed 'no'. They 'ayes'

. have it and the motion carrfes: the Amendment is adopted.

Any further Amendments?''N

' clerk o'Brien : ''No further Amendments.''

s'peaker Redmond: OThfrd Readfng. 3424.*# .

clerk O 'Brien: ''House Bi11 3424....''

Speaker Redmond: '13.''. .. . . L - ' .. .. . . . . r .

Clerk ofBrien: HHouse Bill 3423. a Bill for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent

expense of various state agencies named therein. Second

Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendmentso'f

speaker Redmond : ''Any Amendnenes frem the floor?''

Clerk O'Brien: HAmendment //1 failed in Committee. Floor

A m e Iz d m e n t # 2 w h i (z h I b e 1 i e v e w a s p r i n t e d a a d . . . . . a s c- - -.

11&. Actually v/l failed in Committee so the Amendment prin ed

should be //2. Amendment //2 amends House Bill 3123 on

page 2 by striking line 2, 3 and 4 and inserting fn lieu

thereof; and so forth .''

speaker Redmondl HWho is the Sponsor of the Amendnentr'

Clerk O 'Brien : ''Representative Ryan.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Ryan .''

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Ryan: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and tadies apd Gentlemen of the

House. I would move for 'the adoption o.f Amendment :./2 to

House Bill 3423.''

speaker Redmoud: ''Any dfscussion? The question is on the

centleman's motion . Those in favor say 'aye'y opposed

'no ' . The layes' have ft and the motfon carries, the

Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?n

Clerk o'Brien: ''No further Amendments.''

Speaker Redmond: l'Third Readtng. 3424. Representative Ewings

would you please sit down. kepresentative Ewing.''

Clerk O'Brien: ''Houae Bill 3424, a Bill for an Act to amend

Secttons of an Act to provide for the fiscal year #79@

ordinary and contingent expense. Supplemental expenses

of the Department of tocal Government Affairs. Second

Reading of the Bill. Amendment IIk failed in Committee.

Amendment ?/2 was adopted in commtttee.''

speaker Redmond: nAny motion with respect to Amendment 72?''

clerk O'Brien: î'No motion filed.''

jpeaker Redmond: HAny Amendments from the floor?''

clerk O'Brien: î'No further Amendments.l'

speaker Redmond: HThfrd Readfng. 2425.''

Clerk O'Brien; nHouse Bill 3425. a Bill for an Act to amend

Sectlons of an Act to provide for the ordinary and conti gent

expense of the Department of Transportation. Second

Readtng of the Bi11. no Committee Amendments.''

Speaker Redmond : ''Any Amendmen t s f rom the f 1oo r ? ''

clerk () ' Brien : ''None . ''

s e a k e r R e d m o n d ; '' Th :L r d R ez a d i n g . 34 2 6 . '' 'P

Clerk o fBrien: 'I ouse Bill 3426, a Bill for an Act to amend

an Act making appropriatfons to the ordinary aad continga.t

lexpense of the Liquor Control Commission and the Dangerors

Drugs commlssion . second Readtng of the Btll, no commit ee

Amendments.'' !

!Speaker Redmond: ''Any Amendments from the floor?'' 1

clerk O 'Brien: '1None.''i

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Speaker Redmond: ''Third Readipg. 3427.11

Clerk O'Brien : ''House Bill 3427, a Bill for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act making appropriatfons to the ordinary

and contingent expense of the Fair Employment Practice

commission and the Illinofs Commission on Human Relations.

secoad Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendments .''

speaker Redmond: ''An# Amendments from the floor?f'

clerk o eBrien: ''Floor Amendment //1, Mcclain: amends Eouse Bil1

3427 on page 1, line 22 by deleting four hundred and

seventy-seven thousand seven bundred and inserting in 1ie

thereof; and so forth.''

speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Mcclafnw'f

Mcclain: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House. Floor Amendment #1 to 3427 deletes a provisio

that I think is important for us setting a precedent

in the Illinois General Assembly. What the Fair Employm t

Practice Commission did this morning in coming to

' Appropriation 11 is that they presented us with a budget

which vould fnclude them hiring a staff attorney on boar

which would handle the claimant 'claims fn front of thefr

own Commission . The reasoq why I offer this Amendment- - - . . ..... . . Z . -

' is that I don 't believe the Fair Employment Practice

' commission ought to have oa board a staff attorney who would

be available for claimants to have free of charge for th

' to present their case in front of a hearing officer and

ultïmately fn front of the Commfssfon and the Coamfssfone s.

I thtnk it a blatant conflict of interest. I have talked

to the Fair Employmeat Practice Commission Members, I th ' k

there are two major flaws in having thls kind of procedure.

0ne is. they have no criters on what kind of person can

indeed employ or have Lhis staff attorney and secondly,

the stafd attorney would then again now may be paid for

out of FEPC monies. Tt would also then be an adversary

for a claimant in front of the Commissfon against for

fnstance, like an employer. We don't do such a thing for

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the unemployment compensation we don't do such a thing

in the Industrial Commission workmen ês compensation and

I don't think we ought to set the precedent for tbe

Unfair Employment Praetice Commission. So s thereforey

I ask you to constder this Amendment.o..l hope you

adopt it. Mr. Birchler, Mr. Van Duyne and I and others

fn this Appropriation 11 were disturbed with this kind

of precedent and I move its adoption .''

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Keatsol'

Keats: 'fThank you, Mr. Speaker. Will Mr. Mcclain yield? Oh '@

well Mike...''

Mc c1a in : ''Yes . '' .

Keats: HIs this a classic example where the government is goin

to pay for the attorney on both sfdes? Is ehat really

what it is? We're koing to pay for the a'ttorney on b0th

sfdes of the case?'' .

Mcclain: ''We11, yes, Bràin (s1c) and more importantly I think

' it sets a bad precedent because the attorney that fs

employed by the FEPC to be an advocate foq that claimant

would also develop relationships within the hearing

officers and the Fair Employment Practice Commission.

- ' ' And theHêfo'reirlould be én unfafr azvantage I tbink to

the claimant. I'm not so sure that the ctatmant that

' should not bave fair representation but I think it ought

to come from the 'Attorney Generals Office or maybe a

Governor's action offtce. But certainly not within the

Fair Employment Practice Commission.''

Keats : ''Okay thank .you . I#m with you .''

Mcclain : ''God I just got defeateda''. ?

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Cataniao''

catania: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I

rise in opposition to thfs Amendment as was explained by

the council for the Fair Employment Practice Comnlssion

this morntng. Thts is a common practice in other states...

just sïnce thfs morning I have been able to determine th t

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in New York , Pennsylvania , New Jersey and Ohio the Fair

Employment Practice Commissions have gone to this practi e

because it is a savings, not an expense. And 1et me

explain why this is the case, when people come to the

Eair Employment Practice Commission they are told you

may zo to legal aid or you may go to a bar assocfatfon

to ffnd an attorney eo represent you. If they go to

legal aid and they are making for instance ten or twelve

thousand dollars a year legal aid will say. you cannot

have a legal aid attorney you uust go elsewhere. They

go to the bar associatiom they get a referral they go to/

the attorney the aitorney saysy yes, I will certainly

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year is the sole support for one or two childrea and is

tn a situation where they are filing a complaint wtth th

t h imply in 'many èases. I can't afford toFEP t ey say s

pay my own attorney. They go back to the FEPC aad t%e

' case proceeds whether they have the attorney or not. Th

hearfng officer is then put ln the 'feuation of having t

direcr rhe complainant'hàving 'tô,ln éffectyshepherd them

through the entire proceedings. Aad the hearing officer

is spending a great deal of time that simply ought to be

spent by an attorney instead. Representative Mcclain

makes the excellent point that they did not have a

criterion for deciding who woutd be able to have such an

attorney represent them. They tell us that they will

course develop such criterion they do not have Lhem

because they donît have the moaey yetythey are not in

a posftion where they can go out and even htre thee .

attorney who they need. Representatfve Mcclain also sai

to me,although I recall he sald thfs fn his openfng re-

marks,,ehac he is concerned about conflict between the

hearing officer and the attorney b0th being employed by

the Fair Employment Practice Commission. Well ve a11 ha e

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' to deal with conflicts a11 the ttme, we woutd have to

rely on their professional behavior and obviously other

states feel that this is an acceptable practice. I have

mentioned those states who have already gene to thfs

practice to save the time and money of the taxpayers.

This is also as I pointed out an acceptable practice

that has been years...for some time in the Nattonal Labo

Relation Board an'd I do ask for your overwhelmin: defeat

of thfs Amendment.'l

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Madigan.''

- Madigan: HA question of Representative Catania.v'

Speaker Redmond: nProceed.''

Madigan: HHas anyone solicited the Illinois Bar Association or

' . the Chicago Bar Association as to an opinion regarding

î ther.how consistent this would be with legal canons of .ethicsi''

' ' catania: ''I don 't believe that they havesbut part of the probl m

apjears to be that. when reférrals are made, the lawyers*'

. the people are sent to are asking for fees that people

simply cannot afford. Ahd so .people are forced to go

ahead without an attorney so perhaps if the bar associat'ons

do vssh to becone Jm'volved they could try to set up sone

kind of system so people could be represented without

r e a t c o s t . f' .g

Madigan : ''I understand the problem. It fs a usual problem wit

' people seeking legal advise kf they have a difficulty

paying the fee. However. it seems to me that any attorn y

who wou'ld be placed in this position would be required

to obtaln an opfnion regarding che canon of ethlcs befor

they could proceed in this representation.''

catania: f'Wel1, Ifm sure that they would not proceed in this

situatioa that the FEPC is aslcing to have funded tf it

would be a violations of ethics.ue a11 know an attorney

in the State of lllinots would allow hfmself or herself

to be placed in that poéition and that the Bar Associati ns

' would guarantee that.''

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Madigan : ''We11..-.very interesting comments. The attoraey

Members of this Body yl think awould have to be guided

accordfng tc thefr fnterpretaelon of the canons ok ethics

on th is vote .''

catania: ''Q emvsure they wfll be, Representative Madiganwê'

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Pullen . Representative Georg

Ray Hudson, would you please sit dowa. Also Mr. Ewing.''

Fullen : HI believe the Sponsor of the Amendment is Nr. Mcclain,

is that correct, Mr. Speaker?l'

Speaker Redmond: HThat lsscorrect.''

'ullen : HW111 the Sponsor' yield for a question?'' '

Speaker Redmond: nHe vil1.1'

Pullen: HMr. Sponsor,this attorney that is supposed to be hire

. by the FEPC under this additional appropriation...to

have cases heard before the Commission...l can't see him,

ks he at his mike7'' ''' ''':

Mcclain : ''I can't hear.l'

Pullen : l'okay.f'

speaker Redmond: HThe Gentleman cannot hear the question, wilt

you please give the Lady order. Please.''

Pullen: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This attorney that the FEPC

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is attempting to add to their staff wtth this Amendmeaty

is this attorney to represent defendants and claimants

or only claimants?''

Mcclain: Honly claimants and only those claimants that would

petition and FEPC right now has no criterion on who thos

claimants could be. So therefore, seemingly it could be

claimants or tt c'ould be no claimaats but right now

they have no criterïon . So right now it is only claiaan s

not the respondents.''

Pullen: ''Thank you. Mr. Speaker may I address the Anendment?''

Speaker Redmond: O/roceed.n

Pullen: 'Q would like commend the Sponsor on an excellent

Amendment and on his taking an issue when it arose and

bring it to us here and giving us the opportunity to do

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the right thing. I think that this is another instance

of a regulatory bureaucratic agency attempting to stack

the deck in its own proceedings and I think it should

be condemned. A previous speaker cited the fact that

Nev York, New Jerseys PennsylvAnia and Ohio has done

this before us. I think the day has ended when we pay

attention to what New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey

and ohio do. I certainly hope so. And I certainly hope

that we do not follow their lead in this siate. A previo s

speaker also mentioned that the National Labor Relatioa

Board has this set up: there are a very few agencies in

' the United States that are more stacked and unfair than

' that agency no matter how you feel about their decision.

Their procedures are awful and 1 hope we do not make tha

same mistake with the FEPC in Illinois. I commend Mr.

Mcclain and I hope you will al1 support his worthy

Amendment.'' -

speaker Redmond: ' ''Is there anything further? Representative

' Mann .''

Mann: OMr. Speaker, I would like to apologiae to the Sponsor,

I was off the floor khen he presented his rational for

the Amendment and I wonder if he would breifly do it

ain 'Tag .

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R d d: 1'Re resentative Mcclain . Mcclain.''Speaker e mon p

Meclain : 'tThank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr.. Mann, the Amendnen

reduces the sum total of federal dollars to the Fair

Employment Practice Commission which was earmarked by

the FEPC to employ a private attorney . I do not belfeve

that th e Federal Employ ....The Fair Employment Practice

Commtssion ought to have on board a staff attorney avail le

to claimants, to represent them at the hearing stage in

front of an employee of the Fair Employment Practice

Commfssfon whfch fs thar hearfng officer. And also in

front of the full Commission, I believe that it is a

conflict of interest, it is not that I don't believe tho e

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. claimants ought not to receive a legal representation .

I thtn'k it would be better put iato a Governor's Action .

office or the Attorney Generals Office like consumer affa'rs

of some sort but I don't believe....l tbink it is just

a conflict of interest. Secondly I think that it fs a

bad precedenty we don 't do it for Unemployment Compensati n

we don 't do it for the Industrial Comuisston yc don 't

think ve ought to start it here at FEPC and thirdlyy the

Sponsor claims a 1ot of states do it although we found o t

now from region 5. Otis Nickolson , Assistant General

Council of EEOC that is the Equal Employment Opportunity

j 'Commission, that they don t even do it. So for those

three reasons I think that this money ought to be takea

out .of the budget.''

Speaker Reduond: flRepresentative Brummer.o...Represeatative

M n ardon me.'' 'an , p

Mann: Hdr. Speaker, I Vould like to address myself to the

Amendment.'f

Speaker Redmond: MProceed.''

Mann: ''Mr. Speaker: I think this fs a bad Amendment. I thiak

it is a very bad Amendment, I think the people who appea

before the Fair Employment Practice Commission do so

reluctantly ...they do so under a 1ot of pressure because

they may lose their job because they take the initiative.

I rèmember when Corneal Davis first came up with a Bil1

giking the Commission the right to initiate complaints

' and everybody said that this fs wrong. I don't see any

conflict in helping enforce where there is a public

policy ôf the .state o f Illl.nos.s namely tbat w e have equa

opportunity for everybody in this state. That's what

we have and that's whyi: we' have an attorney there and

we've got to assume tbat hearing offtcers have the

intekrity to make a judgment about whether or no t a

complain t is valid . Now w e ' re gofng . . . . go ing to use the

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eliminate the public defender, the pqbliu defender is

committed to the rights of the defendant isn 't he? Now

either we have a public policy of fair employment practi e

in the State of Illinois or we don#t. I think this is

a bad Amendment and I think it ought to be soundly defea ed,

especially by people on this side on the aisleyifyin fac

we really stand for what we say we do in our platform.

I urge a 'no' vote.''

. Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Brummer. Representative

Brady will you please be seated.''

Brummer: ''Yes, I rise in support of this Amendment. I would

like to point out as I think it has been pointed out

previously that we have legal aid for the purpose of'

providing legal assistance to the indigent. We do not

provide....there is some indication by the Sponsor of

the Bill that there are some who would not qualify for

legal aid but yet could not afford legal council. I do

not think we provide those with regard to the court of

claim,with regard to unemploymént insurance with regard

to public aid with regard to Industrial Commission . I#

think standards and the criterion set up for public

atd or for legal aid are such that those who cannot

afford legal assistance can obtain legal assistance thro gh

the various legal aid agencies that are set up. In

response to the contention that there are certain people

who can obtain no assistance whatsoevers I would like

to point out that the Federal Social Security system

sets up a mech an ism by whieh legal assistance can b e

provtded froi the proceeds with regard to social securit

claims that are ffled . So that those who cannot obtain

any assistance either from legal aid as a result of

making too much money or havfng too much assists can

nevertheless obtain council through social securtty. I think

that provides the mechanism by which the attorney is

fndependent.a..fs not an eon board employeeRof the agency

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before which it is appearing and present a much more

fair mechanism. For these reasons I think the Amendmeut

should be supported-'l

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Mcclain to closeo''

Mcclain : ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . Ladfes and Gentle en ,

' s6 that I donît confuse the issue anymorey it is n'ot that

I disagree with legal representation for those claimaats.

What I do foresee is a blatant conflict of interest where

. you have on board attorney that represents a claimant

in front of the hearing officer and the Commtssion which

is employed by the FEPC. I see that as a blatant conflicç .

of interesty the Equal Employment Opportunfty Commissfon

does not even do it...which is the Federal Agency above

the FEPC. And for the three reasons that I 've seated .

prevïously, 1 would ask for you to adopt this Amendment.

Thank you.''

speaker Redmond: ''guestions on the Gentleman's motion for the

adoption of Amendment //1 to House Bi11 3427. Those in

favor vote 'aye' opposed #ote 'no'. Representative. #

Corneal Davis.to explain his vote.''

Davis: î'Mr. Speaker y'it will only take me a minute to explaiu

my vote. If I vote for this Amendment 1.*11 be voting

against the public defender . And if we Vre going to

abolislz it for people who come for some aid....to the

Fair Euploymen't Fractice Commissiony then we should

deny a Judge the right to appoint a public defender.

And I vote 'no '.''

Speaker Redmond : HHave a1l voted vho clshed? Represenraelye

catania-''

Catania : ''Representative Feters ....''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Catania-''

Catania: ''I think Representative Peters wanted to speak.''

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Peters .n

Peters: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Houses

I fully understand what Representatfve Hcclain is attempting

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to do by this Amendment. And unfortunately I'm searchin

my desk here .to see how it is written. I'm not surey

Representative Mcclain,that the purpose for which you

offer this Xmendment is going to end up being accomplish d

in that the total appropriation is two hundred and thirt -

two thoMsandythree hundred' dollars. And just by deducti g

the amount of money you have deducted does not prohibit

the FEPC Cömmission here from still using the remaindtr. *

of the funds for the purpose you want to prohibit them

from using. I don't know how we could resolve t:e

problem here....in a sense I1m a bit sympathetic with '

what you 're trying to do but I'm not sure it is going to

'

ydo what you want it Eo do. A11 we re going to end up

doing is feducing the appropriation by twenty-five

thousand w/thout accomplishing the purposeo''

speaker Redmond: nHave a11 voted who wished? Representative

Catania.'' ..

. catania: ''We11m thank you, Mr. Speaker. I dfd want to pofnt

out that whtle I'm just as much in favor of savtng feder 1

money...as state money this is al1 federal dollars that

wegre talking about. And it ts money that has been

..=......- . .. = : given to us by the Federal Government. We were the

only state that applied that received a hundred percent

of the fuading that we requested and we did that because

we have so sufficiently improved our record on handling

FEPC cases recently . Also I find it difficult to betiev

that Representative Mcclain is really sincere in wanting

the Attorney General to acquire a battery of lawyers to

handle these kinds of cases. I suspeet that that is not

really the motive that is behtnd a11 of this and perish

the thought that we should not want more lawyers tn the

private sector so that.....in the public sector so that

' lawyers in the private sector might get more of tbis

kind of money. Let's face ft Ladies and Gentlemen, there

are sfmply people who cannot afford to hire private attor eys

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and these are the fndfgent and .l ffnd ft amazfng that

there were some Democrats over there, the people vho say

they are the Party of the peoplec the defenders of the

d the? oppressed who are sayings we are lot willingpoor an

to help pay for the legal cost to defend these people

when they go and ask for eiual pay for equal work. Please

vote 'noê on thfs Amendment.'?

Speaker Redmond: HRepresqntative Deuster.''

Deuster: ê?We11s Mr. Speaker, I wöuld lfke to just urge more

fyes' votes up there. If you put your shoe.eo.yourself

in the shoes of a person haùléd before the Fafr Employme t

'ractice Cbmmission acused of some form of discriainatio

and you find that the complafnant ' over there has got

a lawyer and then you find later that that lawyer is

patd by the Commission that youere appearfng before that

. is supposed to be neutural and dispensfng Justice: you

would be outraged and shocked. I thfnk that ft fs absol tely

wrong as a matter of principle no matter how much money '

' is involved....to have the courty the Commfssfon that

you ' re app earing f or . . . .p ay ing that person who is

complainfng agafns t you . Now they can go out ï. f they

=-=- . - ' - a r e . p o o r an dFg e e 7, 1 e g' a 1 -. co ùnc i 1 '. s o me xkh e re e 1 s e ' b ut i t wo l d

be absolutely wrong to have a Commtssfon to do that aad

I would urge more 'yes' votes for this. fmportant Amendme t

'

d taads up and pledgewhich makes sure that when somebo y s

alleges'to the flag and talks about justtce, that vhen

they appear before the Fafr Employment Practfces Commfss'on

they are really getting justfee and they are not having

that very Commlssion thaé is supposed to be neutural

subsidizing the attorney. Because your small busfness

person is going to have to pay for hfs own lawyer. So I

vote.o..urge many more green votes in support of this

good Amendment.ê'

Speaker aRedmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Representattve

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Ewell: MMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, you#re talking about

one posftfon vtwenty-sfx thousand federal dollars. Every

year the Federal Government may waste money on various

prolects. They do it on the roadsp bridgesy the highvaysy

what you fre talking about is peoplepk .let's say minoriti s

let's say the women. People who feel.'rhey have a

justified complaint, unable to prosecute the particular

. case. unable to even bastcally bring it to the attention'

of the proper person who ought to be involved. I think

if you stop and weighcthis one job against the Vast

expendfture ve're gofng to make fn the Pontïac rfots' I

think it will indeed be lust a drop in the bucket. The

. interest of justice in this country has always rode abov

everything else. And I think it is only fair in this

instance that you allow this one simple office to help

. facilitate the work of the Fair Employment Commission.

It is equitàbleyit's fair and -costs the state not one

. Speaker Redmond: 'îHave a11 voted who wished? Represeatative

)f 11 'ann.

Mann : ''Mr. Speaker, I think this is a very very basic issue.

'

f 'hé state of Illinois ior a veryThe public policy o t

very long time has been that the people in this state

regardless of sex, religton or national origin , have an

' equal opportunity fo'r employment. And for anybody who

represents anybody in thts state with a . minority con-

stituency, who can staad up and vote for thfs Amendment.

I think is doing a disservice to tha t constitueacy . Aad

I vant to 1ay it rlght on the lfne to the people on Lhis

side of the aisle. The Democratic Party has stood for

Falr Employment Practices Commission ever since tt has

been an institution. And for us to turn our back on

FEPC, as far as I'm concerned is a treacherous act. It's '

a retreat, it is somethlng that the Democratic Party ough

not to do. we ought to be ashamed of ourselves . Any

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Democrat who votes that way is violating our position.

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, , 11 .I urge a no vote . .

Speaker Redmond: nRepresentative Anderson.'l

Anderson: '.1Yes, Mr. Speaker. I have a young lady in my distric

who has filed a suit with FEPC, who has./..she is up agai st

two hundred and ftfty chain stores in the country. ' And .

she hasn't any money to fight this case but she doel have '

a good case and 1 think she should have every chance

possible to win . And hot to be against a legal firm tha

has two hundred and fifty storesy she has three children

and she doesn ît have any money and I th'ink she should be

gfven every chance that we can give here'l

Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk vill

take the record. 0n thfs question ehere 73 îaye' 81

'no ' the Gentleman 's motion fails. Any further AmendmRn s?H*

clerk O 'Brien : #'No further Amendments.'' '

speaker Redmond: nThird Reading. 3428 .1'

clerk O'Brien: ''House Btll 3428, a Bill for an Act to amend

' Sections of an Act makfng appropriatfons to the ordinary:

and contingent expense of the Department of Agriculture

and emergency services in diaster agency. Second Reading

of the Bi11, no Committee Amendments.''

speaker Redmond: ''Any Auendments from the floor?''

Clerk o 'Brien: HNone.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Third Reading. 3429.:1

Clerk O'Brien: l'House Bill 3429, a Bill for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and

con ctngent expense of che Departmen t of Transportacion . Secon

Reading of the Bill, no Commfttee Amendments.''

Speaker Redmond: HAny Amendments from the floorzl'

Clerk O 'Brien: î'None.l' '

Sèeaker Redmond: HThird Reading. 3430.''

Clerk o'Brfen) ''Bouse Bill 3430, a Bill for an Act to provide

for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Commission '

on delfnquency preventfon fn the Department of Children

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and Family Services. Second Reading of the Bi11, no.

commfttee Amendments.''

Speaker Redmond: Any Amendments from the floor?

Clerk o'Brien : l'None.''

Speaker Redmond: nThird Reading. 3432.:*

Clerk O'Brien: ''House Bi11 3432, a Bill for an Act making

appropriations to the Speaker, House of Representative.

Second Reading of the Bi11, no Committee Amendments.''

Speaker Lechowicz: MAny Amendments from the floor?'f

Clerk O'Brien : ''Nbnee''

Speaker Lechowïcz: f'Third Reading. 3433.''

Clerk O fBrfen : HHouse Bi11 3433, a Bill for an Act to ahend

Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the

Bi11. Amendment ïl1 was adopted in Committee.''

Speaker Lechowicz: Hbut of the record. House Bill 3433.1*

Clerk O 'Brien: ''House Bill 3433, a Bill for Act to amehd

Sections of the School Code. .second Reading of the

B1l1. Amendment //1 was adopted fn Committee.''

Speaker Lechowicz: ''Any Amendments from the floor? Any motions

on-Amendment 712'1

Clerk OgBrien: 1'No motions filed.''

Speaker Lechowicz: 'lAny Amendments from the floor?''

Clerk O 'Brien : 'fFloor Amendment //2, Mcclain. Amends House

Bill 3433 as amended on page 1, line 1 and so forth .''

Spekaer Lec'howfcz: HThe Gentleman from Adamsy Mr. Mcclafn on

Amendment //2.:7

Mcclafn: ''Thank youv Mr. Speaker. Ladfes and Gentlemen of the

Rouse, this Amendment I've talked to Nr. Ryan about, Xr.

Kent, Representative Madigan and the Speaker of thq Hous .

It's an Amendment that clears up a conflict of interest

or at lea'st part of the qualffication of a person servin

on State Boards of Educatfon. Al1 thfs fnsert...w.rfght

now the language reads , 'no person shall be a member of

State Board of Education who is gainfully employed or

admfnistratfvely connected wfth any school system or

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institution of higher learning, public or private. Nor

shall they be members of any School Board or Board of ' school Trustees of a pubzsc or non public school. Al1

we do isy we further clarify this qualification so it

puts it *fthin tha 'èonfines of Illinois and so now it wou d

ready no person shall be employed or administratively

connected with any school system or institution of higher

learning public or private wfthin Illinois. So ft limits

a person-who might want to serve on a School Board or

a higher learning facility outside of the State of

Illinois as an honorarium or somethfng lfke that. It

permits that person to serve on the Board whereiuy and

so al1 we do vith this Amendments we say that part of

qualification they cannot be a member of State Board of

Education as long as they are part of a Board within

Illinois. So it is a clarificatton of the qualification

on conflict of interest and on the qualifications of a

. member of the State Board. Like I said: it has been

approved...

Speaker Lechowicz: nAny discussion on the Amendment? The

Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Hoffman.'f

Hoffman: HThank you. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and centlemen of the

House, I rlse in support of this Amendment. This Bill

was a Bill tbat was sponsored by School Problems Commissi n

in '73 and this clarifies the issue. There is no conflic

here and I would urge the adoption of this Amendment.''

Speaker Lechovfcz; ''The questfon fs, shall Amendment #2 be

adopted . Al1 in favor stgnify by saying 'aye ', opposed .

Amendment //2 is adopted. Any further AmendmentsR''

Clerk O 'Brien: ''Floor Amendment #3y Ewing. Amends House Bill

3433 as amended in paragraph . ''

Speaker Lechowtcz: ''The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing,

Amendment //3.::

Ewing: ''Yesy Mr. Speaker, thfs Amendment would put the...-this

B111 for fundipg of the dfstribution of the tbirty millio

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dollars in education into the posture of makfng thirteen

hundred and five dollars éer student instead of the

thirteen ten . The other ten million that would be saved

would be then distributed to fully fnnd the transportatio

cost under House Bill 3420 and I would ask for the

adoption of this Amendment.''

Speaker Lechowicz: The Gentleman from Dupagey Mr. Hoffman on

the Amendment.z Hoffman .'l

Hoffman: 'Q hank youy Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of th

House. Contrary to the previous Amendment I rise in

opposttion to this Amendment. This will reduce the

distribution of the general distributive fund by five

dollars a student or approxtmately ten million dollàrs

across the state. This th'irty million dollars was

originally appropriatèd by this General Assembly for this

speciffc purpose last sprfng. It does not fncrease the

appropriation level at all, if merely provides for the

propet distribution of the money in the general distribut've

fund and for that reasona oppose this Amendment and wo d

k a 'no' votg.''as

Spaaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Coles, Mr. Stuffle.ee

stuffle: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members o'f the Houve. 0n this

particular Amendment youfre given an option in effect.

You can either leave this Bill at the thirteen hundred

and ten dollar per student level: it beneffts everyone

in the state of Illinois and rluBhly distributes the

thirty millfon dollars to the school districts in the% .

state on similar basis perueatage w ise as the curreac

school aid 1aw that we hashed out fn the sprlng. or you

can take Representative Ewing's optiom swhich by the way .

he and 1 sponsored Bill that gives the option of using

twenty for formula and ten for transportation . Or you

can take the option ...the other alternative which is

thirteen ten whtch I put on this particular Bill today

in Committee. It is merely a matter of your deciding

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whether you believe the money should be distributed solel

thirty million dollars thröugh the formula or split with

transportation. The other conyideration without taking

the position pro or con on the Amendment is this, tf you

wish to go to the thirteen hundred and five dollar level

keep mind that is the level youlre going to be at

in the future. If you wish to go to 'the thirteen hundred

and Een dollar level that's the level..athe botkom youf're

going to be at in the future. You're going to be better

off in the future under the formula without the Amendment

but if you want to put some 'into the formula and the rest

into transportation then you should support tbe Amendmeat

If you think the whole bit should go into the formula

money for current and future distribution, thirty million

dollars now and the rest later then you should vote

that way . You're only dealing with transportation for

one year. In effect yom 're deàling kith the formula

h on-going basis beyond tbe issue of this years beyondon a .

' QYC iSSll2 Of tbirty million dollars.''

speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Schneidero''

schneider: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members, I share the

previous speaker's opposition to the Amendment. 0ne reaso

in addition to those that they have not mentioned is that

the School Problem Commisslon is currently in the process

of takfng a new look at the téansportation formula. I'm

chairing a Subcommittee which will b'e responsible for

that , at least for that Comm ission and I tbink we Rre no t

only premature in beginning to reallocate formula dollars

for transportation but that it fs premature 'in a sense

that we haven't really looked at transportation in many

years. so I would advocate that we move to thtrteen ten

and we stay at that figure, wegve decided as we did in

the spring that the fair dlstribution of new dollars I

it's the money that we allocated in the spring. think

it ought to go fnto the formula therefore, I would ask

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a 'no' vote on the motion to adopt Amendment #3.:'

Speaker Lechovicz: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Walsh . Al1

rfght . The Gentleman from Livingstony Mr. Ewing to

1 s e . I ' m ' s o rry . The 6en t leman f rom Coo k Mr . B rady . ''c O ,

Brady: ''Mr. Speaker, I would also urge a fno' vote on this

Amendmente''

Speaker Lechowicz: 'fThe Gentleman from McLean , Mr. Bradley.''

Bradley : nMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey .

I rise in support of this Amendment. Those Members who

have Strayer-Haig districts in their particular legislati e

' dfstricts can at least send spme of this thirty million

dollars back to those Srrayer-Haig districts. 0r othervi e

- they would receive no money at a1l under a proposal vhere

you just raised the figure to thirteen five or thirteen

ten or whatever it might be. Some districts of course

. again webre leavfng them out completely and leaving them

out in the cold.....we#re not.leaving the districts, I '

guess I shoulz sayy we're leaving school children out of

receiving any additional funds fn some partïdular areas

in the State of Illinois . At least we can fund with this

Amendmen: some transportatlon costs ehat we have shorted

the school districts anain aaain again. So I would urge

the Members to take a good hard look at this Amendment

d ive an 'aye' vote.''an g

Speaker Lechowicz: 'Q he Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing

t o c 1 o s e . ''

Ewing: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: we'

had some good commen ts on th is. I hope that everybody

understands that by the adoption of this Amendment we

will leave ten mfllion dollars to fully fund transportati ns

regular transportation cost and special education trans-

portation costs in the State of Illinois. This money

will help every distefct in the state...this ten million .

It fs my understanding that it wilt even put more money

into the Cook County schools than tf you put it a11 in th

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formula. We won't be leaving any school d'istricts out

and I would challen'ge 'all of you downstate school people....

Representatives,to remember that you have Strayer-Haig

Districts in your scho'ol distrtct and if you don 't vote

''

!for this Amendment they won't get any of tbe money for

the thirty million dollars that wedre trying to redistri ute.

And for that reason 'l would ask for your favorable

' approval of this Amendment.'' '

speaker Lechowicz: '''The question is, shall Amendment #3 be

' adopted. A11 in favor vote 'aye', a11 opposed vote

lnay'. Steve, fnog. Have al1 voted who wished? Have

a11 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record.

On this question there are 56 'ayes' 67 fnays' and

the Ameudment is not adopted. Any further Amendments?''

Clerk o'Brfen: ''Floor Azèndment 11*, Polk-stuffle. Amends

!# '. House Bi11 3433.....

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speaker Lechowicz: ''NOE adopted.''

clerk O'Brien: r'on page 16. line 10, by deleting 'estate' and

so forth .fl

Speaker Lechowicz; ''The Gentleman from Coles, Mr. Stuffle.

0ne moment please. l'he Gentleman from Cook. Mr. Madisoru

what purpose dp you seek recognition?'' .

Madison: nMr. speaker, ve don't seem to have eopies of Amendme t

//4 and I wonder if they have been distributed.'l' '

Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Amendment according to the Clerk: just

came in and has not been distrfbuted. Has not been

distrfbuted, Mr.' Madison. Tbe Gentleman from Rock Islan ,

Mr. Polk; what purpose do you seek recognlefen? Mr.

Polk '' ' '

Polk: ''Yes, just discussing Mr. Madison.o..l'll be gtad .to

share it with him . Recon......This is an agreed Amendme t

: and it is a technical change. 1111 be glad to explain

it as i: has been approved by b0th the Republicans and

Democratpa''

spekaer Lechowicz: ''We11, why don't we....1et Mr. Stuffle proc ed

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to explain the Amendment.f'

Pqlk: HIt's my Amendment.'l

Speaker Lechowicz: ''Mr. Stuffle.''

Stuffle: HPolk. It's his Amendmentpl'

Speaker Lechowicz: MOh I'm sorry . Mr. Polk.'t

Polk : ''And 1*11 read the first paragraph. This Amendment makes

a technfcal change which provides specifics as to how

the 90Z hold harmless clause will be administered by. the

Illinois office iof Education, And that's the extent of

it and we have beeh accepted by b0th staffs. Do you

have some question about that, Schneider?'f

Speaker Lechowicz: 'HMr...vstuffle has a question .''

Polk: 'Q f there's questions we'll hold it till it's printed

then I don 't.e.''

speaker Lechowicz: ''Mr. Stuffle, on the Amendment.''

Stùffle: ''The Amendment has been dfscussed by varfoué hembers

of the Educati.on Committee, I don't know if everyone has

seen it. What it does is clean up the language of the

hold harmless provision that we put in the school aid

formula last spripg. That said in effect, if you had

a school district that rece'sved less than 90Z of last .

years entitlement in this particular school year that

you would be able to recompùte your state aid to pfck

up the difference. That only affected the way it was

written .about four dozen districtsy with the tncrease

in the Bill to the thirteen hundred and ten dollars

per student Ievel . That number of districts Would be

sufficiently reduced still and it is merely a technical

Amendment. It does not effect as written the dfstributi a

of state afd.''

Speaker Lechowicz: l'The Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Schneider.

The Centleman from Rock Island: Mr. Polk to closez'

Pllk; HI belfeve It has been amply dlscussed. it is a technica

clean up and would appreciate an 'ayeg vote.''

Speaker Lechowica: ''The question isy shall Amendment 74 be ado ted.

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A11 in favor signify by saying 'aye'y a11 opposed. Amend

ment //4 is adopted. Any further Amendmeats?n

Clerk o 'Brien: HNo furtber Amendments.''

Speaker Lechowfcz: OThird Reading. House Bill 3434, Represent tive

McGrew .''

Clerk O 'Brien: nHouse Bill 3434, a Bill for an Act making

appropriations for the reimbursement of school districts

of uncompensated transportation expense. Second Reading

of the Bi11> no Committee Amendments.''

Speaker Lechowicz: 'îAny Amendments from the floor?''

Clerk O 'Brfen: HNone.'î

Speaker Lechowicz: ''Third Reading. House Bill 3437. Represent tive

R a n îîY *

Clerk O 'Brien: OHouse Bill 3437, a Bill for an Act to pr'ovide

f or the ordinary and contingent expens e o f the Eea1th

Finance Authority . Second Reading o f the Bill , no

Commit tee Amendments . 19

. Sp eaker Lechowic z : 'fAny Amendmen t s f rom th e f loor ? ''

cl erk 0 1 B r i en : '1No ne . ''

s peaker Lechowic z : ''Th f r d Reading . Ho us e B i11 34 38 y Repr es ent t ive

R an ''y .

Cl e rk 0 ' B r i e n : ''Hous e B i 11 34 38 ; a B i 11 f o r an Ac t t o t rans f er

money between the General Revenue Fund and the Realth

Finance Authority Act . S econd Readihg of the B111> no

Committee Amendments.l'

Speaker Lechowicz: HAny Amendments from the floor?''

Clerk olBrien : ''None.''

speaker Lechowicz : ''Third Reading . H ouse Bill 3439.''

Clerk O'Brien; ''House Bi11 3439, a Bi11 for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and conti gent

expense the Department of Transportation. Second

Reading of the Bill, ao Committee Amindments.''

Speaker Lechowicz: HAny Amendments from the floor?l'

Clerk o'Brien: HNone.î'

Speaker Lechowiczf 'Q hfrd Reading. House Bill 3412: Represent tfve

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clerk O'Brien: OHouse Bi11 3442, a Bill for an Act to amend

Sections of an Act making appropriations ,to the State

Treasure. Secon'd Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amend

m e n t s . ''

Speaker Lechowicz: 'îAny Amendments from the floor?''

Clerk O 'Brien: ''None .''

Speaker Lecbowicz: ''Thfrd Reading. House B11l 3444, Represeata ive '

Dave Jones.''

Clerk OgBrfen: ''House Bill 3444. a Bill for an Act to amend

sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and coatin ent

expense of various state agencies named therein. Second

Reading of the Bill, Amendment //1 wavs adopted in Committe .î'

Speaker Lechowicz: ''Any motions on the Amendment?n

Clerk O 'Brien: ''No motions filed.î'

Speaker Lechowlcz; ''Any Amendments from the floor?''

Clerk OlBrien; ''No Floor 'Ameddmentss'l

Speaker Lechowicz: HThfrd Readfng. The Gentlaman from Cook:

Mr . Xourell.on Senate Bill 1550.''

Yourell: ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I move to discharge the Committee on Environment

Energy and Natural Resources for further consideratfon of

senate Bil1 1550 and have that Bill placed on the Order

Second Reading, Second Legislative Day.ll

S k Leèhowicz: WAny objections? Hearing none, the Billpea er

will be placed on Second Reading, Second Legislative Day.

The Gentleman from McLean: Mr. Deavers. What purpose do

you seek recognition? 0h , excuse me. The Clerk has

in forms me that it takes 107 votes...and vas leave grante

to you to use the Attendance Roll Call? The Gentleman

from Cook , Mr. Levin . What purpose do you seek recognitt n?H

Levin: 'L ....you know, right to oblect. I would just like to

know what the Bi11 does and what the reason is for bringi g

it out in this manner at this pofnt.''

Speaker Lechovicz: ''Mr. Yourell will explain it to you . Mr.

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Yourell.'î

Yourell: nThe Bill was heard in Rules today, it came out of

Rules unanfmously. And what it does is raise the deer

permit to.v..hunting fees from five to fifteen dollars .

It has the support of the Department of Conservation and

a11 of the conservation and organizations in the State

of Illinois.''

j, 'Speaker Lechowicz: Mr. Bowman, does that answer your question?

The Gentleman asks leave to use the Attendance Roll Call.

Hearfng no objections the Attendance Roll Call will be

used. The Gentleman from McLean,'Mr. Deavers. What purp se

do you seek recognition?e'

Deavers: ''Mr. speaker, I would like to clear the record on

House Bill 2506. Representative Edgar came to be to be

verified and by accident I took him off the Roll Call

and I would like to have that in the record.and show tha

Representative Edgar...Edgar did vote for 2506.''

Speaker Lechowicz: HIt will be corrected, Mr. Deavers. on the

Ck endar on yage 4, Total Veto Motions appears House

Bill 2539, Representative John Dunn, do you want to have

that Bill called? Jobn Dunn. Is he there? lake it out

of the record.

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speaker Lecbovicz: 'lHouse. Bill 2597, Representative Williams.''

Williams: HThank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Geatlemen of

the House.....''

speaker Lechowicz: ''Let him read tbe Bi11, Jack .''

uilliams : ''Okay . ''

speaker Leclàok'f cz : ''259 7 . . . . okay. Please proceed . kf 11f ams s

lease proceed . ''p

Williams: MAII right . This was the Bill that provides the.

that the school district..o.the high scbool district may

trans/ort publfc or non public school....students. The

veto of the Governor indicated that he veto this Bill

because be said that it was identical in its inteat and

in its language to 2671 which was Cdsponsored by myself

and Gene Schlickman . However, I would like to point

out that 2597 and 2671 are not identical insofar as it

did not accomplish what the fntent of the Legislature

was and that we could carry tîis out. The Ameadment tha

' we put' on in the Senate which was eoncurred in.-oactuall

by this House is that it does clarify that it ls al1

1p rigbt to mix the high school and elemeatary school child en

I'' on tse same bus . ,.at! Amenr?.ment f/z atso provtdes the mea, sby which the schools can carry this out and it eliminate

'. any retro-activity. I did discuss this- .actualty wit:

J the Governor 's office, I believe that everyone recognizej .. '

that the two Bills were not identical even though they

thought t hat t hey were and I ask f or everyone that did

support us in a11 the moves tbat y you know , that the

B 1. l l h a d . I t h a d s ome 14 5 v o t e s he r e , 5 1 v o t e s in t he

Senate . On a concurrence it was also concurred vith the

Senat e Amendments . . . actually when the schoo ls have t rk ed'

t o put int o prac : i ce what had been in 2 6 7 1 they sound ou

tlzey could not carry it out without two Senat e Amendment

t h a t we h a d p u t o n . I a s k e v e ry o n e t o s u p p o r t lne 1 n t he

overrf de mot ion on this Bill . ''

Speake r Lechow'f cz : ''Any df scussf en ? . . . . . shall House Bf 11

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2597 pass notwithstandlng the veto of the Governor? A11

in favor signify by voting laye' all opposed by voting

'nay'. The Centleman from Dupage. Mr. Hoffman xto explai

his vote. The timer is on .n

Hoffman: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies of tbe House. I

have nothing to add. I Just got it straighteued outw''

Speaker Lechowicz: 'Q t takes 107 votes. Have a11 voted who

wished? Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk vill take

d On this question there is 138 'ayesf 8 Yna s'the recor . .

and 1 recorded as 'presentl. Thfs motion having recefve

the Constitutional three-fifths majority prevails and

House Bill 2597 is declared passed notwfthstandfng the

veto of the Governor. House Bill 2695, Representative

Tipsword.'f

Tipsword: î'Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Gentlehen : Hou'se Bill s

2695 is a Bill that provides two different measures in

regard to the income tax in the State of Illinois. The i11

as ft was first heard in the House and as it was passed

' to the Senate with an Amendment. The first provfsion

E provides that a federal job tax credit nrogram for the

1 '77 and .78, for t:e employer's througseut theyear of(

St at e o f Illino ts . As you will re call , the f ederaf

tax 1aw had set up an incent ive t ax credtt f or nev

emp loyee s durf ng thcke years f or employeés throughout

the Pnited States. Regrettably the way that you ffgured

that you could not take t%e amount of that salary off

before you arrived at the line upon which the Illinois

tax is figured . Thereafter a then they figured in a cred 't

which is allowed on the federal tax to the....to these

employers throughout the various states. Consequently

the State of Illinois wound up being on the short end

our employers did not compete with the employers in othe

states who were able to get that credit and also not

have to then pay back a windf a11 t o the stat e ia which

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83.

you will recall on this Bi11 also, in the Senate an

Amendment was added to this Bi11 which provides a very

important provision for taxpayers in the State of Illinoi

on the income tax. This provides the tax indexing provts 'on .

Nherebyy taking the base of January .....of June 30, 1976.

thea on the basès of the tpercentage of inflation 'that is

provided to June 30th of your tax year from that based

date. It vfll fncrease your exemption 'for .every 'taxpaye

in the State of Illinois by the same rate as the rate

of inflation .during that period of time. So instead of

your real rate of elemption decreasing with each inflate

tax year this keeps yoùr tax rate at at a'levèl..aa

coatinuing level with the rate of 'inflation. So that

you are not paying what is in effect, an inflated tax

because we are now held at this one strict level of

exemption in the State of Illinois at one thousand doltar

a person. Thfs wfll fluctuate cfth ehe percentage of

inflation. So I would urge that each and every person

in this House consider that this is an opportunity for

ué to provide that kind of tax incentive that people in

this state has been asking fors the kind of relief that

each and every individual. Now they will-tell you....

somebody will tell you that in one year that's not very

much but lf this inflation rate continues 'as it has in

the past it adds on each year that additional inflation

rate. So that over a perfod of tfme ft does become very

important to the taxpayers throughout the State of Illino's.

So this is our time now to say, yes, we heard you ,we saw

how you voted on the proposltioh so we're gtving you

the first part of our answer in provtding you tax indexinc

for the taxpayers of the State of Illinois.''

Speaker Lechowicz: HThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Totteno''

Totten: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House. It was just a few hours ago ahat I rose on a poin

of personal prfvflege and made reference 'to the fact that 'khei

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84.

Covernor has said ethat there were sope Legislators who'

'': p ro duc e d go o d i d ea s . I th fnk . . . . . tha t thn. s i s o ne o fj '

those good ideas that this Legislature has produced and

that is: the idea of tndexing the income tax exemption

by the rate of inflation. For you and I know a11 too

well from a just concluded campaign that inflation and

taxes were the malor issues t:at facel those people that

we asked for their vote. There is little that we can

do fn thfs Ceneral Assembly to ffght fnflation bue thfs

is one of those things we can do that can be effective.

For that fnflatfon tax whfch so robs our constftueàts

and the citizens of this state should have been adjusted

almost ten years ago when we adopted the fncome tax .

For 1et me point out that in 1969 when we adopted the

Illinois income tax al1 taxpayers in this state vere

given a tax advantage of one thousand dollars. Because

we have not indexed that exemption since then the real

value....or tax advantage is now less than six hundred

' If e had indexed it by the rate of inflationdollars . w

from 1969 to todpy, that 'pxemption would be worth a litt e

over seventeen bundred dollars and that is just at a

7: inflation rate. More importantlys in effect what we

are doing witbout tndexing is that we are raising taxes

every year without ever legislating because people are

paylng a higher percentage of their fncome to the state

in the form of taxes. With a salary increase that just

keeps .pace with inflation...a person with four excemptfo s

would pay 9.8Z in taxes tncreased w ith a 77( inflatioa

rate. That is a 2.8Z increase because we do not index.

Let me point out in addition....that although the individ al

tax relief is not a 1ot under this proposal, the proposal .

corrects an inequity and an injustice in the preseat

system because the effective tax rate increases if you

do not fndex. Under the preseat unadjusted system the

state is receiving an ever increasing amount of revenues

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because taxes rise automatically. That is immoral and it

is unjust and ft is inequitable. As Members of this

House our most important functioa is to decide which

measures demand immediate attention. I submit that

correcting the inlusttce of inflation meets that criterio

and the Representatives ....and Representative Iipsword

motfon to override should be supported.''

Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Dupagey Mr. Hoffman .''

Hoffman: ''Thank you. Mr.'speaker, Ladies and Gentlemeu of the

House, I eise ia opposition to this motion. It seems

to me that the income tax program that we have in Illinoi

is one of the most equitable programs ef taxatton that

is available. As peoples income goes down the state

takes lessy as the s.neome gces up it takes mere. The

problem that we vreally face fs the problem of the

fnflatfon of the value of real property. And lf we vant

to address the issue of inflation we want to address the

issue of taxation on the basès of pr.iorities because

we cerrainly cau 't do it all. Then we heed to look at

some reasonable and responèible way to deal with the

inflated cost of property as it affects peoples taxes. '

It seems to me that in the short time that we have before

us during a Seésion riike this that we ought to take a

moment and step back and ask ourselves if this is really

the time and really the place to deal with tbis fssue.

Or in fact all rthe thtngs that we have learned during the

last campatgn, a11 the things that we have learned out

of experiences of other states and put together a com-

Prehensive and responsible progran that wtll gtve relief

to those people who most need it and will not harm the

services that we provtde to people aost needed that the

time to do th at is during th e Sprtng Session . And for

this reason as well as the previous mentioned reasons

I rise in opposition to the motion that has been forced

by the most honorable Sponsor of this Bi11.''

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speaker Lechovfcz; ''The Gentleman from Coovk, Mr. schlfckman.''

Schlickman: ''Would the Sponsor yield?''

Speaker Lechowicz: ''He indtcates that he wi11.''

Schlickman: î'House Biïl 2695 is in two parts. The first part

would grant a,deduction to employers and the other part

ides for indexipg. is that correct?î'prov

Tipsword: f'That is correct.''

Schlickman : î'Directipg our attention to the first parts the

part that provides a deduction to employers. Do you kno

of any other deduction that is allowable either to

employ..e.corporation employers or indivfduals'runder

the I'llinois income tax?''

' Tipsword: ''No Sir I do not.'' '

S'chlickman : ''May I address myself to the mo tion . Mr . Speaker . ''

S eak'e r L e chowtc z ;' f'P leas e pro c e ed . ''P

Schlickman : ''Mr . Speaker and Members o f the Hous e . pleas e take

o t: e t h a t i f we ove rr id e th e Coverno r ' s Vet o we ar e go inn

to es tablish a preceden t in the providing o f a deduction

to one special int erest group . I f we open the door f or

o n e s p e e i a 1 in t e r e s t g ro u p in ' pr o v i d i n g a d e d u ct io n yo u

c a.n b e a s s ur e qs y ou ar e s i t t 5 ng 11 e re t o 0 av that o th er

special interest groups will plead for and it wi11 be

hard to prevent their also receiving a deduction. There y.

Mr. Speaker and Members of the Houses providing for one;

a more complicated tax and number two, further reduction

fn state income. Thts deduction alone would result in

a loss of sixteen million dollars tn General Revenue

Fuad money. I respectfully suggest, Mr. Speaker, Member

of the House....only on account of deduction element its lf

the motfon to overrfde should be defeaeed. As I say.

it w ill compound our income tax , it w ill open the door

for other special interest groups and it will reduce

staue revenue at a time when all of us are joLniag 1:1th

our constituents in an attempt to mafntafn fiscat re-

sponsiblity of balance budget. I urge a 'nay ' vote.l'

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speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino.''

Mautino : ''Thank you. Mr. Spekker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House. I rise in support of Hbuse Bill 2695 in the

overrfde motfon. I vould lfke to point out for this

Ceneral Assembly that much has been said over past two

ia Hyears Concern 8...... .

Speaker Lechovicz: HExcuse me, Mr. Mautino. You will gfve t%e

Gentleman some attentfon please. Please contfnue.''

Mautino: ''Much has been said over the past two years consideri g

1 the business climate of the State of Illtnois. The firs

portion of this legislation, if anyone is familiar wïth

the Job tax credit..,occurs when an employer hires an

unenployed person, gets them off the unenployment role

puts him tq work then the Federal Covernnent allows that

business person a tax offsetl. If'oke state''of' Illinois

wants to be on. th'e- sape b as is as the o ther s t at es in the

unfon, every employer in the state should have the same

opportunity. So when thè other states allow the federal

tax credit to work within their income system the State

of Illinois by not adopting it....and by the way this is

only a tvo year program. If you don't do ït nov it has

not been extended past 1979. If you don't do it now the

employers of the State of Illinois eould never again

take advantage of this federal program which atlows the

tax offset :also to be put on the state income tax. It

is a good program a 'good Btll and it should be adopted.

This is probably the most lmportant 3111 for the employe s

of th e State Ill inoia th at you will look at in this

veto Sessfon .''

Speaker Lechowicz: f'The Gentleman from Christian: Mr. Tipsword

close .'f

Tipsword: 'fèfr. Speaker, I hope that everyone heard the explana ion

fn regard to the emplayment tax credit that vas Just

given by Representative Mautino. It was absolutely

excellent explanation of the reason for that. It is to

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88.

put the Illinofs employers on even footings with those

in other states. We added a completive disadvantage to

them by the means whereby our present tax structure woul

not allow them the deduction that other employers throug -

out the United States had under the federal fncome tax .

Because while they got the credit from federal income ta y

Illinois came along and said, no , we figure ours at a

different point in this process and so consequently we'l

take it away from you. In regard to the tax indexingy

the State of Illinois in its income depends on inflatlon,

it looks to inflation year after year to increase its

tax bft from the people of the State of Illfnots. But

at the same time the Illinois income tax system gives

absolutely no credence, éives no understanding to the

fact that the cost of living goes up at the same tfme

that the income is inflated in this country . And in fac

goes up at a hfgher rate because not everybody is not

;' able to keep up with the inflated cost of living, their

' income just hasn't gone up that much. But you get absol tely

no credit for that increase cost of living for yeur

household under the Illtnois income tax system. This' jwould gfve you by thfs tax fndexing a percentage ehange

in accordance with the rate of inflation ln the exemptiqn

that is allowed fo.r each individual upon your income

tax. It would therefore, at least tend to keep tbat

one exemption in line with inflation and it would not

be a burden upon the State of Illinois. Because it woul

cucutng tnto only whac the state of Illinols is looking

to as ever increasing amounts of taxation under the

income tax. One....by virtue of inflation . Now thts

does not look to it on the bases of economic growth and

if there ls increased taxation by virtue of economic

growth inflation factor does not touch that on real

economic growth. But on the bases of inflation it just

puts the taxpayer on an even keel on th is one exemption

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the only one that we allow to hfm in. the State of Illinofs.

It appears to me that if the propositton that was upon

the ballot this last fall meant anythlng, then it meant

that we should start providing some kind of ta'x relief

to the people of the State of Illinois. I think that

ts what the Governor's program said and this is our

opportunity to say, alkight here is some of that reliefo

let's get started at it. letgs give tt to people who

are going to be filipg their income taxes here in anothe

month or so. This f: where it belongs and it will be

based upon only on inflation rates. A reasonable rate

of increasing that one excemption that we allow for a1l

ayers to 1et them at ieast try to catch up just ataxp

little bft. I urge you-to overrlde the veto of Heuse

Bi'1l 2695 .''

Speaker Lechowtcz: HThe question isa shall House Bill 2695

pass notwithstanding the veto -of the Governor. A11 in

favor signify by voting 'aye' a11 opposed by votiag 'nay'.

The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mugalian to explatn his

V P V 2 * î î

Muzalian: ''Thank ycu, Mr. Speaker. thirk that the original

Bill before the Amenbment was a good Bill and I voted

for it. But I am concerned about the states fiscal

position and I like to think of myself as fiscally

responsible as I thfnk all of you do. We must remember

that a balance budget depends on tvo factorsy income and

outgo. And at this stage of the Session and this stage

c;e fiscal year I donlt think that we can afford thls

combination of Bills which has the indexing attached

because, according to the research that Ifve seeny it's

going to us about fifty-three million dollars . In

less revenue for this year and I think we a11 should try

to...to keep our promises to our constituents that weere

not going to spend more money than we have. And I think

at this stage by voting for this Bill we will create a

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deficit positton in uthe state so I'm rel'uctantly forced

to vote 'no l .''

Speaker Lechowicz: HThe Lady from Champaign: Mrs. Satterthwaite

to explain her vote.î'

Sattertbwaite: NMr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'm votil

in favor of this Bill. In addition to the fact that the

prfmary purpose of the Bill is .a Job incentive and wil

put more people to work, will help to develop the econor

of tbe state so that more taxes can be collected on morf '

incomes. We then balance that advantage to the employe'

an :incentive to put people to work wftb a small benefit

. to taxpayers. This is not going to cost the State of

Illinois anything. It fs simply going to mean that th6

state is not takipg quite as big a tax bit out of your

pockets when you pay your income tax . If the State of

Illinois were indeed befng completely fair to taxpayer

they would put this increment on the total of the taxy

bill, however, this fs only an fncrement on the one

thousand dollar deductable that you have. And so the

state wi11 still benefït from increases in your salar

beyond that amount. This fs only a small token of

appreciation to our taxpayers for the fact that they

are providing services for the state. I think they

deserve a little bit of incentive to keep on working

k our economy going. I urge a 'yes' vote-''to eep

Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrï

Frledrich : î'Mr. Speaker, Members of the House aame recent

I sa< show that now more than 3870, of the personal i:

of thfs country is going for taxation. This means

working clear up until May before you get a dime fo

yourself. It will flnally reach the point whE

you destroy the fncentive to work and when you desl

that,you destroy America. I think we are getting

close to that point right now. England has reache

pofnt an d they are on the way as you know . So if)Qè

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destroy incentive by thropgh this increased, taxation aad

ft fs an increase in taxes whetber it is an increase in rate

' or nots people are finally beginning to wake up to inflat'on

is raising their taxds whether we vote an increase or

' no't. So if you want to leave some kind of incentive for

the people wbo work and produce then I suggest you vote

'aye' on this motionvff

Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Randolph , Mr. Birchler.'' .

Birchler: HThank you, Mr. Speaker. The point of this Bill that

is important has been mentioned here a few times. Small

business people', anybody that hires those people wegre

speaking of on the federal return get a percent of thfs

wages as a credit to pay federal tax with . But when you' e

doing that you must have also substract those wages off

of the wages that are used as a business deduction. As

' a result you're paying on more income on the federal

income but you get that amount as a credit. When you

go to your Illinois return you pick up the figure that

' ts on the bottom of your schedule (C)...or busiaess

schedule to start with . So what wefre doing here by aot

overriding the Governor's Veto . we're penalizing every

business man in the State of Illfnofs that fs hfrfng

people getting this credit. And I thfnk it is very

' tmportant that we get the gyes' votes on there to give

those people credit for employing people that were un-

employed, put him on the payroll and not penalizing him

for doing ft.''

speaker L echowicz : ''The Gentleman from Cook Mr . Keats .''

Keats: ''Thank you. Mr . Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House. It probably is not always well received vhea

a Republican gets up and questions his own party but I

thfnk ve have to say , the Republican Party for years has

campaigned as a champion of the taxpayer in holding down

government etc. But when I look at that board I notice

how many of those red lights are Republicans. Any Republican

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voting against'fthiàeBill is a disgrace to his party. And

I want to commend some of the Democrats who are showing

wisdom that you rar4ly display but I want to say in a

sekious vèin, the comment was made that we were taking

money away f rom the s tate . That ' s the s illies t econonic .

comment that I ' ve ever heard . We aren ' t taking a penny

f rom the s tate.,it is no t the s tates money . It is the

t axpayer's money . What *'e are do ing is no t taking tax

money away f rom the s tat e we are s imply leaving earn.e d

income in the hands o f thos e who caus ed pro duct ion that

brought in the ineome . I f you truly have any compassio

f o r t a x p ay e r s y o u s h o u ld b e vo t i a g g r e e n . I f yo u wan t

to gote the llypocrft i cal' po litical route and say v we #ve

go t to p ro t ect the s tat e what yo u î re do ing ts selling out

the p eople who f und you and f und the s tat e . This is

a p r o d u c t: iv i t y i n th e p r i v a t e s e c t o r t h a t b av e bu i 1 t th i s

' d b i1t thi s 'country . A ' yes ' vot e on this i ss t a t e a n u

' ' con tinuing to keep money in the private s ector to develo

. . capftal fnvestments for jobs for the future. The more

money tbat comes to tbe state the less productivity,the

less capital fnvestmenes and less jobs in the fueure.

so I say to you again , any Republican voting red is a

dfsgrace .''

Speaker Lechovtcz: î'The Gentleman from Lawrencey Mr. Cunningha .''

Cunningham : ''Hr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House:

it makes me nervôus to be so...in such complete agreemen

with the Senator in his last remarks. But youêve got

to acknouledge that if we can 't pass this good Btll it i

time to fold our tents and steàl silently away. Goodnes

gracious, a11 of these inflation fighters on this side

of the aisle have turned over their proxy vote to the

Governor for bim to cast them into the Wastebaskers or

wherever else he wants to throw them. But I want to

ind these people that they bave to face the votersrem

agatn two years before the Governor does. And that sole n

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fact should have some persuasive eff'ect on your ridieulous

positfon at the present tïme. We must not let the party

of the jackass seize from us this fine issue of tax .

reform and fighting inflation . Tràditionally it is they

who coined the phase, tax tax : spend spend, collect eollect.

And we must recognize that the voters back home often are- ..

smarter than we realize. we cannot fool them on this iss e.

It is regrettable that so few on this aisle refuse to hear

the word and heed the call of the taxpayers. I ask them

to repent and get aboard here that disasker might be

avoided. Vote green.'' .

Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Cooky Mr. Contio''

Contt: ''As one of the Gentlemen that should be ashamed of

myself because I am vottng red.e..tf there is anythfng

that I have learned in thirty-two years of holding publi

office was fiscal responsibility . 1 wonder how the

Gentlemen that are votfng green voted on the budget here

%' last year. Now that they want to dçduct aaother sixteen

. million dollars. Where is this money going to come fromkî

Speaker Lechowiczh HThe Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Hoffman.''

l:o'ffman: l'Thank you. Mt. Epeaker aad Ladfes and Centlemen of

the House, I would Just follow the previous.Reprèsentati es

comments by saying, that the House has gained is the

Senatds losâ.'' .

speaker Lechowfcz: ''Have al1 voted vho Vished? Have al1 voted

w%o wished? The Clerk will take the record. 0n this

question there are 90 'ayes' 43 'nays' this motion9

havlng failed to receive the Constitution ok three-ftft s

malority fs declared lose. The Gentleman fron Cook, Mr.

J1m Houlihan, what purpose do you seek recognition?''

Houlthan: ''Mr. Speaker, for a parliamentary inquiry.''

L howi cz : ''What ts 'your inquiry ? ''s p ea k er e c

Ho u1i han : ''l!r . s peak er , re c en L ly we h a d elec t ion o f a Po l t sl:

' Pope and he came not f rom the College o f Cardinals and I

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say about the election of a Speaker: does it have xto be

from a Member of the Kouse or can the Legfslature select

a Speaker that ls not a Member of the Legislature?''

Speaker Lechowicz: ''We will address that issue at the appropri te

time. House Bi11 2695. Representative Totten. Okay.

House Bill 2707, Representative Kornowiczo'l

Kornowicz: HMr . Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen , I move that Hou e

Bill 2707 do pass to override the Governor's veto. Ladi s

and Centlemen this is the most important Bill in this

Session. Thfs is a tax relfef for our senfor dftfzens

for people that need help. I ask you to override the

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Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from McHenry. Mr. Skianer.e'

skinner: ''Mr. Speaker for starters, would like to apologize

to the Gentlèman 6f ,the''Bureau 'ef the Budget whom I

incorrectly attributed an anonymous memo whicb is totall

salaciôus indicating that House Bill 2707 will cost

thirty-five million dollars. WeRve .traced .that zback to ome

time this spring before we took any actfon on the Bi1l.

It deffnitely =f11 not ccst that much. It did not come

from tbe Budget Bureau and I hope if came from a

Republican staffer, tha't I never find out who it vas.

Tbe cost of tbis Bill is a ' sufficient question as we e n

see ftom the vote on tbe last Bi11. Let me run through

with you what I believe it costs. House Bill 2707 in

the Digest on page 137 of Volume I of the #78 Sessioay

fall supplement #1 to 14. Indfcates that the ph#sfeal

impact ts sevenceen to twency mfllion dollars for the

part of the Bfll that will rebate to senior citizens

everything by which their property tax bill exceeds 4Z

of household income. Alkight', nou thatls a big mouthfux'.

What means iss you multiply 4Z times the household

income and the state will rebate everything over that

up to six hundred and fffty dollars. Now if you look at

Senate Bfll 1617 whfch is the Governor's offering on page

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56 of the Digest you will see it as budgetèd for ffve

millfon dollars according to the ffscal note. Before the

Governor upped the ante fifty dollars per houtehold for

' those under nine--..for those earning under ten thousand

dollars. I contend that unless the Department of

Reveaue doesnft know up from down when they ffle fiscal

notes, vhen oue asks for a ffscal note on a 3fll one 1 ,%

gets a fiscal note that tells you the total cost of the

Bill. For that reason 'l thfnk the total cost of House

Bill 2707. the part that I have described plus fncreasing

the maximum income elfgibility from ten to fifteen thous d

dollars.ow.it is seventeen to twenty million doltars. No

the Governor has budgeted five to six million dollars for

that. We may subtract that from the totaly in addïtion

the Governor has obviously budgeted some money for

Representative Pullen's B11l whïeh deals a bit with

retroactivity .section of this eBill. Apparently the no

smoking section fs closing in. ..a.senate Bill 1790 vhi

was sponsored in the House by Representatlve Brady, I

believe and Senator H#nes ia the Senate, is going to

increase the homestead ékemption for seniors by fifteen

hundred dollars. That will go into effect over a period

of years, next year the fmpact *111 be felt ln k of

Cook Countyy k *5 Lake County and a11 the commission

counties. They are reassessing this year . It will not

take affect in the township counties until the year....a

year later. When that is fully in effect it wfll save

three million doliars .e.let 's forget that beoause

doesn't a11 take effect at the same time. I conclude th t

we need additional money of somewhere between eight and

eleven million dollars. This Bill was vetoed one

Prfmary reason if you read the veto message dated in

and that reason was cost . I would point out

this waé about a week and a half before the Covernor's

cost control task force estimated there was four hundred to

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five hundred millfon dollars worth of savings and additio al

revenue in the administration. In addition , it takes in . . . . .

it does not take into account and this is where I would

find the moaey ff a cost control task force delivers

nothiag. Ia the four hundred to five hundred million

dollars of additional revenue that automatically comes

in through tnflationp. . . through the sales tax and the .

income tax . During ,the campaiga we were urged to keep

those on fixed incomes from being taxed out of their

homes. I would suggest that there are problems foT

people under sixty-five which this General Assembly

or that is . the next Generat Assembly will address next

Session. We can address the problem of senior citizen s

and those disabled according to social security thts

Session . Now I donlt use the word solve with regard to

problems in a legislative lor governmental context often

but I use it here. We are going to virtually solve the

problems senior eitizens have wit: property taxes if thi

veto is overidden. We were repeatedly faced durtng the

campaign with the implicavions 'of Proposition 13. I cont nd

that House Bill 2707 is Proposlttkon 73 for senior citize V

in Illinois. If it is passeds no senior citizen wtll

end up being taxed out of his or her home.because a

senior ettizen net tax 6il1 will not increase unless .o oa .

his household, his or her household income increases .

And then if the household income increasesy 'only four

cents out of a dollar 'must be reserved for property

taxes. I think Representative Kornouicz has a superb

Bill here which incidently was the concept of whtch was

introduced by Governor ogilvie in 1972. for any nervous

Repubticaas who think it is a DemocraLie Bill just becau e

it bas a Democratic Sponsor . 1 vould urge everyone to

vote for this Bill with a clear couseience knowing that

he or she will not bankrupt the state government and tha

he or she will be meeting a very real need t%at senior

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Speaker Lechowicz: f'The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Barnes.''

Barnes: ''Thank you very much . Well, Mr. Speaker and Members

of the House, I just would like to add one comment. Whe

this Bill was up before there was some statements realit' e

to the cost and to where there would be funds available

for it. As I fndicated at that time and since tbat

time I've gotten some....have been in receipt of some

updated information Lealative to where the additional

funds could be in the budget currently to more than

compensate for the cost of House Bill 2707. In the

public aid budget in the AFDC lines based on the four

month pk:lactïons startlng from July through october.

The projection have ran consistantly over and beyond the

actudl case loads. Between efght thousand andn .on the

. lower end in July to the current tvelve thousand five

hundred and two as of october.at the end of october.

* 1978. What thfs translates into whether we use the figu e

' of 50Z....50Z oe the 25: expenditure of General Revenuey

what this translates into is approximately thirty-six

million dollarsywhicb will not be spent in that area tha

is currentty already in the current budget, whièh is

more than compensates twice as much as tbe proposed

expenditures which would be incurred by House Bi11 2707.

So for those reasons and in conjunction with the former

speaker .realitive to the Goveraor's cost control reporty

there seems to be more than ample amount of money in the

aurrent bttdget to cover the cost o f House Bi11 2707 in

a11 of these..a.all of these...various indications has

developed since the Governor's veto messagesso this is

the current picturepnot the pfcture that was presented

at that veto message stage. There is enough money in

the budget currently which will not.be used. vhich =i11 more

than compensate for the amount of money pro.jected to

be expended for House Bill 2707. I would urge your supp rt

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of this good Bf11 . ''

Speaker Lechowf cz : î'The Gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . Brady . ''

? Brady : ''Mr . Sp eake r if I migh t I would jus t lfke to echoJ . /

Repres entat ive Skinner when he related S enjt e Bill 1790* t,o IJ Z-r: f 1 ' .5 * h < $ 8 e f: r*..-. . s y,

to you which the Governor amendator ' .

moved t o acc ept in the S enat e , we ltop e to move to accept

that fn the llous e tomorrow as a st ep f orward in tax

relief . But that step f orward in tax relief does take

part of the f is eal' impact and sting out o f this Bi11.

As a mat t er of f act it reduces it subs tantially . So tha

th e cost as put f orth in the veto st atement does no t

relat e to this and the o tller Bi11 in ques t ion . I th ink

the cos t is reasonable enough f o r the advantage that we

gaf n f or the senfor cit k zens and those on f fxed f ncome

and I urge your support of this Bill . ''

Speaker Leclzowlc z : ''The ques tion is , shall Hous e Bill 2707

pas s no ts/i ths t anding the veto o f the Governor . A11 in

- f avo r s ign:t f y by vo ting ' aye ' a11 opposed by voting ' nay ' .

Have a11 vobed who wf shed? Have a11 voted who wished ?

It takes 107 votes. Have a11 voted who wished? ....wi1

take tbe record. On this questfon there ar9 148 'ayes'

14 'nays î and the motion having received the Constitutio

three-fifths majority #revails and House Bill 2707 is

declared passed notwithstanding the veto of the Governor.

House B1l1 2539: Representatfve John Dunn.''

Dunn: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House. Just about a year ago this time a number of

counLies around the State of Illinois received nottce

from the Department of Corrections that they had deficie cfes

in their county jails and unless those deffciencies were '

ls would be closed. However, the 1corected their jai k

State of Illinois provided no money , no funds whereby

any of those affected counttes could do anything about )

the problem. At that very time our Governor was proposi g

approximately fifty-eight million dollars in bonding to

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build two new prisons in the State of Illinois. It occu red

to me then that if we could float fifty-eight million

Jdollars of taxpayers money to provided bond revenues

to construct new prisons it would be altogether apptoprf te

for the State of Illfnois, whlch mandates one more progr ...

mandates one more program to local government to do

something about the funding and to set up a .systen where y

those countiesx any county in the State Mf Illinois whic

is affected could apply for grant money and the source

of that grant money would be bonds. Since that time

the Bill was progressed to the ordinary course of

legislative channelsy it has been considered b0th by the

House and the Senate, legfslatfve approval has been

granted by both the House and the Senate. The Bill has

been laid on the Governor's desk, Governor Thompson

vetoed it in total and the Governor said in his veto

message: that he has withheldvhis approval of the Bill

because he believes the construction and operation of

jail facilities is and should remain a local responsibil'ty.

And he says that he's going to look into the impact of

new jail standards on local units of government and revi u

that matter. His goal is to insure that state standards

are b0th minimal and reason'able. For Macon Countyywhère

I come fromyl can ïnsure...assure you that the standards

that have been imposed by the State of Illinois are

minimal. I càn assure you that Macon County Illinoïs

and every other county that is affected is oaly trying t

do what is the minimul . And can also assure you that

every one of those counties tbat is affected is in a

position where if this Bill does not pass they have no

recourse but to go to their local taxpayers with a reque t

for referendum approval to raise local property taxes

to meet the mandate of state government. In other words

by vetoing this Bill the champion of ceiling on spendfng

the champion of the proposition to put a limit on state

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taxes has taxed local government. Governor Thompson has

vetoed this Bill which would provide up to 40Z of the

cost of renovating state Jails throughout the State of

Illinois through the sale of bonds. Goveynor Thompson

said he didn 't have the money to do that, Covernor

Thompson said he couldn't afford tt. Do you know the

annual cost of this Bi112 While a11 twenty million doll s

that are proposed fn bondsNwhen a11 twenty million dolla

are sold the annual cost will be about seven hundred thousan

dollars per #ear. Seven hundred thousand dollars per

year that Governor Thompson couldn 't find in his budget....

that was in the summer. Then we weni fnto a deadlock at

Pontiac,then we went into other prison problems aad a11

at once Governor Thompson could find twenty-one million

dollars for prisons. He could find fifty-eight million

dollars for prisons last yeary he can find twenty-one

million dollars for prisons this year but he can't

find seven hundred thousand dollars a year for your

local jail or mine right now. What I*m telling you is

that Covernor Thompson doesn't care.o..he doesn't care

. whether vou bave a prablem back home and he doesnlt care

how it is solved. And he doesngt care if your people

back home have to pay for the problem by raising their

property taxes. .He goes around the State of Illinois

telling you he is the champion of keeping taxes down but

what he is already doae fs tax the peopley he's taxed th

people in each of these affected counties by requiring

them to pay ...to pay uith property taxes for the cost of

renovating their jails. You may be fn one of those coun ies.

At the present time the counties are Champaign, Madison.

Macon. Peoria, lledard, Rock Island, Fulcon, Jersey ,

Monroe and Brown, have a11 recelved notices that thefr

J'ails are in vkolaEion of the state standards and unless

those staddards are corrected their jails are going to

be closed. In addition, Edgar and Browa Counties have:

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also received letters from the State Department of

Corrections telling them that whïle they are not under

. notice...six month notice that their jail will be closed

they are about t o be under no tic e . They have been put

j: 'on warnin g . So each o th es e counties have b een no t i f f ed

they have to do something . Furthermore , if you live

in a df s t ric t vhere there has be en an improvement s lnce

O c t o b e r 1 : 19 7 5 y t o up g ra d e y o u r j a i 1 y o u a r e e1i g ib le

for help with your death service. This is something

for everyone who has had this problem. If you built a

jail since October 1975, you become eligible to apply

for help. The Covernot has said ehis is an open ended

program:the companion approprtation is twenty million

dollars in bonds,as I have said in an annual cost ofi

seven hundred thousand dollars. It's not open eaded,lt 's

only a measure to do something one more time for local

government vzhere ehere ïs a mandate comfng dovu from the

state. You heard this on the campaign trail. we're ti/e

of mandated programs. You also heard that we're tired

of our property taxes éoing up. This is your chance to

do something about ft. The Governor wouldn't do anythin

about ft. You#ve car/fed your burden b0th here and as Legfsl tors

in the Senate....senators across the hall. they have

carried their burden . We sent this Bill to the Governor

and' he saw fit to veto the Bill in its entirety . We

should send a message to the Governor back frou us on

behalf of the taxpayers who have ehe sfngle facfly

residents th'at are gotng to see their taxes go up. Ne

should send avmessage back to him and tell him that we

are for responsibility ln government 'and if his agency

in the Department of Corrections mandates standards to

our local government then by golly they ought to cone up

with some money to help pay for those costly iaprovement

that are needed. Governor Thompson also talked about

sending misnomer prisons back to your local jails.khere

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is he going to put theml Your local jail doesn't have

room right now , how is he going to do that? He's not

worried about that:all he wants to do is push asfde the

problem . Push the burden off on local government 1et

them have referendum , 1et them rafse property taxes. I

ask you now ....here and now to vote green and to vote

against the Thompson tax on real property in the State

of Illinois. I urge you to override the Governor 'on

House Bill 2539. Thank you.'l?

Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Madison , Mr. Steeleo''

Steele: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of th Hous

I rise fn oppisition to this motion even though-r come

from a county tbat would receive some of these funds.

So fn the short range perhaps the county that I represen

would benefit. But in the long range it is aot good for

our county and it is not good fpr our state. What this

is saying is, the people of my county are going to have 0

help build jails throughout every 102 counties of'

Illinois. Not only that but I think it is only prôper....7

it is in tbe past that you keep local responsibflty and

' local control on tbese things. In Madïson County we

are building a Jail now, at first....the first jail

proposal came in at eight million dollars actually it wa at

luxury jail, it was called a country club kind of Jail.

We went back to the drawing boards and reduced that cost

from eight million to four million . This is what local

control caa do, they work for the taxpayer. If this

were a state funded project our local jails committee

and probably every county fn the state would say. let's

' get the best and the most that we can for the available

funds. lnstead of cutting the cost from eigh c million

back to four. it probably would bave stayed at eight

million. That why ft is important that we do retain

d the batanced llocal control, the taxpayer is best serve

budget is best slrved by so doing and I urge a 'no ' vote.''

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speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Muddwn

Mudd: 'fMr. Speaker and Members of the House, I worked on this

particular piece of legislation with Representativa

Dunn and I think some of the important things that came

out in regards to this Bill was the fact that the reaso

that was have some of the overcrowding in the prisons

that we presently have is because we have no holding

facilities in the local counties for misdemeanors. We'r

sending people to prison for misdemeanors because we

don't have the facilities to hold them in our local

. communltfes. In areas vhere they committed the crfmes

and...oso weîre sending them to prison. The other thing

is that hasn ît been mentfoned is that':these counties

under thfs mandate are sendlng thefr prisoners out now

to other counties with facilities and paying extra cost

and filling those local jails up. Your......we spend

this particular amount of money , twenty million dollars,

it's only going to be spent for actual cells,not for the7

jail facilit# and a11 the complimentfng parts of those

jails but only the actual jail facilities. We know that

there are many peiple who belong in our county jails....

on work relief programs and whatever locally that db not

belong in prison that we should have the facilities for

them. Because these new county jails would be located

strategically throughout the statea they would be able

to take some of the other prisoners from the adjoining

counties at a lesser speed because of tbe state help

on thls program . I think the Governor personally has

changed his mlnd in regard to this Bi11. Some of the

statements that he made campaigning this year in regards

to Jails and county taxes. I think he has changed his

mind on this Bil1. I think that we should pass this

appropriationphelp the counties build jail, put the

prisoners behind bars that belong theres keep the mis-

demeanors in the countfes where they belong and out of

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prisons and in the long run I think that if you take

a look at it realistically wefre going to save the state

a lot money by puttfng it in the county who desperately

need it. So I urge an îaye ' vote on this Bi11.''

speaker Lechowicz: ''The Centleman from Cook, Mr. Porter.l'

Porter: ''Mr. Speakery I move the previous question .''

Speaker Lechowicz: MThe Gentleman has moved the previous

question. A11 in favor signify by saying 'aye'y a11 '

opposed. The previous question has been moved. The....''

Dunn: ''1*11 just be brief and remind you again that the follow g

counties are under mandate Champaign, Madison, Macon ,

Peoria, Menard, Rock Island, Fulton , Jerseyy Monroe,

Brown, Edgar and Morgan have received notices from the

Department of Correctiens and I would also advise you

that counties fn which there has been construction since

1975, which would appear to be eligible for help with

their death service are Boone, Bureau, Carrolly Christia ,

Clay, Coles, Green and Crundy. If you live in any of

' those counties you have something to gain by passage of

' this Bi11. Not only do you have something to gain by

passage of this Bill that you can strike a blow for a

good government in the State of Illinois by sending '

notice to the second floor that when programs are mandat d

there must also be funds accompaning them to pay for those

mandated programs. I vould urge a green vote on this

motion to override House Bill 2539. Thank you.''

Speaker Lechowicz: î'Tbe question isy shall House Bill 2539

pass aotwith standing the veto of the Governor . X11 in

favor signify by voting 'aye ' a11 opposed by voting 'no '.

The Gentleman from Christian , Mr. Tipsword to explain

hfs vote. The timer is on .ll

Tipsword: f'Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen: I don't know

how many of you vould have- ..had an opportunity in the

last two weeks to watch the local television station

here in sprfngfield, but if you had they have run a series

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on jails throughout central Illinois. And the conditions

they found were deplorable and in those conditions. in

many of those jails they also reviewed the fact that thos

jails...many of them had notices from the Department of

Correctïons or they felt sure they would be getting notïc s

very shortly . And after they had completéd their in-

vestigation they reveiwed the fact there had been this

Bill before the General Assembly whic: had passed but

had been vetoed, it was their conclusion there vas no

other place that they were going to get the funds to

correct what the Department of Corrections felt should

be corrected in the local county jails throughout the

central part of this state. And they stated ia that

program that they were sure tbat the same thing existed

throughout the rest of the State of Illtnois. If we're

going to correct these jafls and provfde the facflftfes

that the Department of Correction wants and the minimun

' standards which are really minimum standards that they

require. There is really no other place that we can go

for this honey and would urge you to support this

override.''

Speaker techowicz: HThe Lady from Lakey Mrs. Cee-Karis to

explain her vote. The timer is on.''

ceo-Karis: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen....Mr. Speake

and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The fact remaines

that these are local items and local problens and it woul

take twenty million dollars which would be esealated to

thirLy-five million with interest. It would involve

general obligation bonds which vould fnvolve the credit o

the state. And I think we're in bad enough fiaancial

situation as.'it is and would like to vote 'no'.''

speaker Lechowicz: ''Have al1 voted who wished? The Lady from

Champaign, Mrs. Satterthwaite to explain her vote. The

tfler fs on.'ê I

Satterthwaite: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the Housea this is

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far different than many other programs that ve already

fund within the state. I /find it completely inconsistent t

on the part of the Covernor and oa the part of Members

of this House who are voting against this motion to say

that, local government ought to be responsible for butldi g

and financing their jail when we do in fact already sub-

sidiae many local governments in building civic centers.

Are we saytng that it is more important that our communit es

get state funds for entertainment and for other communit#

purposes in those civic centers. But that we do not

deserve to spend money on minfmum standards for jafls.

I think thatîs a completely inconsistent situation , we

ought to be able to subsidize the local communftles kho

need help wfth these facïlities and I urge a green votee''

Speaker Lechowicz; î'Have a11 voted who wished? Rave al1 voted

who wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this

question there 88 'ayes' 78 'neaysg: none recorded as

'present'. The motion having failed to receive a

Constitution of three-fffths majorfty fs declared lost.

House Bill 327....what? Alright. At the request of the

Sponsor, House Bih7. 3279 is takon out of the record . Is

that corrects Mr. Fierce? Mr. Pierce: please, Nr.

Pierce.''

Pierce: ''As Representative Marovitz at a bilingual Commission

would say, mananae''

Speaker Lechowicz: HDoes that mean food or what? You've got

my vote. 0ut of the record. Let me just pofnt out to

the Membership/ there has been a question as far as the

length of this eveningk Session.. The Gentleman from

cook, Mr. Madfgan. Hopefully weAre going to :5 get that

nanana- - .or food. The Gentlenan from Cook, Mr. Madiga /'1

Madigan: HMr. Speaker, we are prepared to adjourn at this time.

Epould you wish to ask for announcements?''

bpeaker Lechowicz: ''Yeah. The Centleman from Sangamoq: Mr.

Jones asks leave of the House to return Senate Bfll 1395

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to second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Alri

hearing no objection, Senate Bill 1395 is back oa Second

Reading. The Gentleman from Sangamon, M!. Jones on the

Amendment.'' . '

Jones: ''Mr. speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this

is an easement 'between the City of Springfield and the

State of Illinois for the transfer of the power statiôn'

to a different location that was in the original Bi11.

There is no financial obligation of tbe State of Illino'is

and I move its adoption.at this time.''

Speaker Lechowfcz: ''Any dfscussfon? The question is, shall

Amendment f/l...Amendment //1 be adopted. A11 in favor

signify by saytng 'aye', a11 opposed. Amendment f/1 is

ado'pted. Any further AmendmentsS''

Clerk O'Brien: MNo further Amendments.tl

Speaker Lechowicz: HThird Reading. On the Supplemental Calend r

there are two other items tha: we dfd' not cover, that's

the ftem veto motfon on House Bfll 2970 Representative>

, Dantels. Do you want that matter called? 2970, Jack .

2970. Mr. Danielso'?

Daniels: ''Take it out of the record.''

Spiaker Lechowicz: ''out of the record. 0n Amendatory Veto

Motions. 2946, Mr. Pierce. Take it out of the record.

Any announcements? The Gentleman from Kankakeey Mr. '

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Ryan : ''Not an announcement, Mr. Speaker but a question of the

Chair .'' '

Speaker Lechowicz: HYes Sir.'l

Ryan: ''There seems to be some confussion as to what the

schedule is for December:- are....we are going to be in

on the 5th and 6th of Becember, is that correct?''

Speaker Lechowfcz: ''Pardon, your guess is as gdod as mine. I

would stronglyarecommend that you get a hold of Mr.

Speaker Redmond....l'

Ryan: 'fMr. Speaker, I just talked to the Speaker and tbat's

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what he told me and 1 wanted to verify to the Members of

the House. So why donft you get a.hold of him since

you 're sitting in the big chair and get the ansger to':

the question.....''N

Speaker Lechowicz: ''1:11 be more than happy to give you the

answer tomorrow . The Gentleman from Cook , Mr. Madigan .''

Madigan : ''Without appearipg to preempt anyone. I was present

to the conversatfon between the Speaker and Mr. Ryany wher

the Speaker did indicate to Mr. Ryan that' he planned to

be in Session two days next week . Do we have any

further announcements?fî

Speaker Lechowicz: ''Tbe Lady from Cook , Mrs. Martinml'

Martin: 'llhank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would just like

to announce that the Spe'cial Committee on Prison Reform s

the meeting that was to be held this afternoon has been

canceled until tomorrow morning, 8 A.M ., room G-2 in the

Stratton Building. That is 8 A.M . tomorrow morningy

Special Committee on Prison Reform. Thank you.''

Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Robtnson.

Your light is on . The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman.''

Bowman : ffYes , Mr. Speaker, I believe a Resolutfon was ffled

1150 which I would like the Clerk to read before we

adjourn.''

Speaker Lechowicz: ''Ladies and Gentlemen ....what Resolution

number bzas that?''

Bowman : l'House Resolutfon 1150.00

Speaker Lechowicz: ''House Aesolution 1150.':

clerk o'Brien: ''House Resolution 1150. Nhereas on Tbanksgivtnu

day of this, Douglas Goler Levin w>s born to our colleagu .

Ellis Levin, and his wife Kay and whereas, at ten pounds three

ounces, nouglas Goler Levfn ean lfck any kfd fn the1

nursery and whereas, Douglas Goler Levin's sister, Halli : has

a new playmate and a long-term baby sitttng assignment.

And whereas, this glad event was not properly commeaorat d

by the majority.e.major public utilities and tnsurance

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companfes; and Whereasy Doyglas Goler Levin has already

. shown an interest in polittcs by immediately declaring his

candidacy for alderman of the 44th Ward in the year 1999;

ï.therefore, be it resolvedy b: the House of Representative 's

of the 80th General Assembly of the State of Itliaois,

that good wishes be extended to our colleague, Ellis

Leviny his wife Kay and hfs daughter Hallie on thts happy

occasion ; and be it further resolved that Douglas Coler

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Levin be duly welcomed to the worldy the United States.

of America, the State of Illinois, and to the Tweatieth

Legislatfve District' thereof; and be it further resolved

that a copy of this Resolution and preambley kuitable for

teething be presented to new citizen, Douglas Goler Levin.''

Speaker 'Lechowidz: DThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowmaa moves

the adoption of Resolution. Alk in favor signify by

sayfng 'ayeî a11 opposed. The Resolution is adopted.

Congratuation Ellis tevin. Any further announcements?

Ihe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan .''

Madigan: HMr. Speaker, it is our intent to come in tomorrow

at 12:00 noon. 12:00 noon: so thereforey I now move that

we adjourn until 12:00 noon tomorrow.'' .

Speaker Lechowicz: OMr. Ryan , I spoke to the Speaker and told

me that we will be in Session on December 5th and 6th ....

Mr. Ryan s I spoke to the Speaker and he informed me that

the House will be ià Session on December the 5th and' 6th .'

Ryan : ''Thank you very much , Mr. Speaker.'' '

Speaker Lechowicz: HThank youy Sir. The. Ge'ntleman has moved '

that the House stands adjourned until 12:00 noon toaorrov-

A11 in favor signify by saying 'aye' a11 opposed. The

House stands adjourned. Have'a pleasant evening.''

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