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Sellita SW200 Defective Movement
In June of 2009 I purchased an Invicta Diamond Pro Diver, Model 6150, which has a Sellita
SW200 movement. Within a few months the watch stopped and could not be wound. I sent
it to Invicta repair and got it back in one month, with no paper work or explanation of what was done.
I called Invicta service and was told there was winding assembly issue but they needed time
to research the full extent of the repair. Since the watch was working when I got it back I did not pursue it.
I did find it strange that the watch came back in 30 days. I read that all repairs take 90
days.
Now the watch has again stopped and cannot be wound. I am again sending it but I am not
paying the $28.00, since Invicta says they guarantee all repair work for one year.
I have read on numerous posts here in WatchGeeks, that the Sellita SW200 has winding gear breakage problems. The gears are made of brass and break easily. I have read that
Sellita now has the SW200-1 and SW200-2, which addresses the gear breakage problem.
They now are using steel winding gears.
When Invicta gets SW200 watches back with winding problems, I hope they are replacing
the movement with the newer SW200-1 or -2 movements. Otherwise the same problems
with breakage will continue.
This experience is very frustrating and should not happen with a watch I only wear
occasionally and another Equinox watch I purchased, which is being sold on the web for
over $4,200.
As a foot note, I purchased the Invicta Equinox meteorite COSC, ruby and sapphire pro diver last year fro SNBC, which also has a Sellita SW200 movement. This watch also
stopped working after a few months and cannot be wound. It is in Invicta repair since last
June. I was told it was sent to Switzerland for repair. I hope they replace the movement
with the newer version SW200-1 0r -2.
I have other Invicta watches with ETA 7750 movements, that run fine.
I hope Invicta is aware of the issues with the Sellita SW200 and not put this defective movement in its new production models. I was shocked to see it in the newly released
meteorite diver model.
I never had so many problems with other watch brands I collected over the years.
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08-17-2010, 07:05 PM
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I have replaced the bad SW200 movements with Swiss ETA 2824-2 movements. These cost
about $130 in single quantities from a watch parts supplier like Otto-Frei. Unlike the hype
you hear on SNBC, these replacement movements (in Ni plating) are commonly available if
you need just one or two. You can even have the Invicta rotor swapped over if you want to keep the original look. Hands and other parts swap right over.
They are drop in direct replacements for the SW200, as the SW200 was an (inferior, my
opinion) copy of the 2824.
I did this on a SAIII 4702 that came with a bad SW200 new. Did not even bother contacting
Invicta CS. Supposedly, the SW200-2 is an improved design over the first vesrion, but I still
prefer an original ETA 2824-2 over any Sellita, especially if you want to keep your watch. My 2824-2 equipped SA now runs flawlessly at under 5 sec/day.
Your are right about the VJ7750s. Never had a problem with any in an Invicta case. The auto
GMT (2893?) is also an excellent movement, but available only in discontinued products.
You will have difficulty finding a COSC 2824-2, and if you do, you will pay an arm and a leg
for it. But there is no practical need for a COSC since most 2824-2 can be regulated to under
5 sec/day by a good watchmaker.
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Yesterday, 08:57 AM
momuzik Senior Member Senior Geek
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I got a Croton tungsten with the Sellita SW-200 back in Nov09 and the Reserve Pro back in
Feb10 with the same.
I don't wear them everyday but I haven't had any issues with mine, but I'll make a mental note.
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Yesterday, 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DHL I have replaced the bad SW200 movements with Swiss ETA 2824-2 movements. These
cost about $130 in single quantities from a watch parts supplier like Otto-Frei. Unlike the
hype you hear on SNBC, these replacement movements (in Ni plating) are commonly
available if you need just one or two. You can even have the Invicta rotor swapped over if you want to keep the original look. Hands and other parts swap right over.
They are drop in direct replacements for the SW200, as the SW200 was an (inferior, my
opinion) copy of the 2824.
I did this on a SAIII 4702 that came with a bad SW200 new. Did not even bother
contacting Invicta CS. Supposedly, the SW200-2 is an improved design over the first
vesrion, but I still prefer an original ETA 2824-2 over any Sellita, especially if you want to
keep your watch. My 2824-2 equipped SA now runs flawlessly at under 5 sec/day.
Your are right about the VJ7750s. Never had a problem with any in an Invicta case. The
auto GMT (2893?) is also an excellent movement, but available only in discontinued
products.
You will have difficulty finding a COSC 2824-2, and if you do, you will pay an arm and a leg
for it. But there is no practical need for a COSC since most 2824-2 can be regulated to
under 5 sec/day by a good watchmaker.
boy! is sooo good to Know thank you! I have five sw200 sanIII and sanIV and I would never
send a watch to invicta. and when my speedway DD come's back it will be the last time I
wait 6 to 8 weeks. for a new watch to be fixed.
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Yesterday, 09:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DHL
I have replaced the bad SW200 movements with Swiss ETA 2824-2 movements. These
cost about $130 in single quantities from a watch parts supplier like Otto-Frei. Unlike the hype you hear on SNBC, these replacement movements (in Ni plating) are commonly
available if you need just one or two. You can even have the Invicta rotor swapped over if
you want to keep the original look. Hands and other parts swap right over.
They are drop in direct replacements for the SW200, as the SW200 was an (inferior, my opinion) copy of the 2824.
I did this on a SAIII 4702 that came with a bad SW200 new. Did not even bother
contacting Invicta CS. Supposedly, the SW200-2 is an improved design over the first vesrion, but I still prefer an original ETA 2824-2 over any Sellita, especially if you want to
keep your watch. My 2824-2 equipped SA now runs flawlessly at under 5 sec/day.
Your are right about the VJ7750s. Never had a problem with any in an Invicta case. The
auto GMT (2893?) is also an excellent movement, but available only in discontinued
products.
You will have difficulty finding a COSC 2824-2, and if you do, you will pay an arm and a leg
for it. But there is no practical need for a COSC since most 2824-2 can be regulated to
under 5 sec/day by a good watchmaker.
Extremely interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.
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Yesterday, 09:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DHL I have replaced the bad SW200 movements with Swiss ETA 2824-2 movements. These
cost about $130 in single quantities from a watch parts supplier like Otto-Frei. Unlike the
hype you hear on SNBC, these replacement movements (in Ni plating) are commonly
available if you need just one or two. You can even have the Invicta rotor swapped over if you want to keep the original look. Hands and other parts swap right over.
They are drop in direct replacements for the SW200, as the SW200 was an (inferior, my
opinion) copy of the 2824.
I did this on a SAIII 4702 that came with a bad SW200 new. Did not even bother
contacting Invicta CS. Supposedly, the SW200-2 is an improved design over the first
vesrion, but I still prefer an original ETA 2824-2 over any Sellita, especially if you want to
keep your watch. My 2824-2 equipped SA now runs flawlessly at under 5 sec/day.
Your are right about the VJ7750s. Never had a problem with any in an Invicta case. The
auto GMT (2893?) is also an excellent movement, but available only in discontinued
products.
You will have difficulty finding a COSC 2824-2, and if you do, you will pay an arm and a leg for it. But there is no practical need for a COSC since most 2824-2 can be regulated to
under 5 sec/day by a good watchmaker.
Very interesting read, Thank you for the information.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DHL
I have replaced the bad SW200 movements with Swiss ETA 2824-2 movements. These
cost about $130 in single quantities from a watch parts supplier like Otto-Frei. Unlike the
hype you hear on SNBC, these replacement movements (in Ni plating) are commonly
available if you need just one or two. You can even have the Invicta rotor swapped over if you want to keep the original look. Hands and other parts swap right over.
They are drop in direct replacements for the SW200, as the SW200 was an (inferior, my
opinion) copy of the 2824.
I did this on a SAIII 4702 that came with a bad SW200 new. Did not even bother
contacting Invicta CS. Supposedly, the SW200-2 is an improved design over the first
vesrion, but I still prefer an original ETA 2824-2 over any Sellita, especially if you want to keep your watch. My 2824-2 equipped SA now runs flawlessly at under 5 sec/day.
Your are right about the VJ7750s. Never had a problem with any in an Invicta case. The
auto GMT (2893?) is also an excellent movement, but available only in discontinued products.
You will have difficulty finding a COSC 2824-2, and if you do, you will pay an arm and a leg
for it. But there is no practical need for a COSC since most 2824-2 can be regulated to under 5 sec/day by a good watchmaker.
I have thought subconsciously about dropping in a 2824 into my sw200's. thanks for the info
and link on where to find the movement.
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Here's the caseback of the SA 4701 with the 2824-2 and swapped Invicta rotor. Only conflict
is the rotor and back say 26 jewels, whereas the 2824-2 has 25 jewels.
Link to movement supplier:
http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html
You may also want to swap over your original date wheel to the 2824-2 from the SW200. The standard wheel on the 2824-2 is black letters, white background. Whereas the date
wheel on this SW200 was white numbers on black background. Swapped right over, no
problem.
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i'm sitting on a beautiful Invicta OG tungston. took it on a trade and got hoodwinked. The
SW200 is dead and won;t wind. It's been a few months, I just don;t waqnt to send it to
invicta.
Do y'all have a place to send for a fair and quick fix? Do any of you fellers do it for a few bucks?
I really like the watch and want to get it into rotation...
thanks
g
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DHL
Here's the caseback of the SA 4701 with the 2824-2 and swapped Invicta rotor. Only conflict is the rotor and back say 26 jewels, whereas the 2824-2 has 25 jewels.
Link to movement supplier:
http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html
You may also want to swap over your original date wheel to the 2824-2 from the SW200. The standard wheel on the 2824-2 is black letters, white background. Whereas the date
wheel on this SW200 was white numbers on black background. Swapped right over, no
problem.
Thx for info and great pix!!
Sorry to hear that G... hopefully one of the WG brothers will hook you up with a place to get
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I just returned a Grand Diver Luminary (trinite tubes) which has the Sw200 movement, because the watch would stop if it was off the wrist (and once while on the wrist) for any
length of time, even though it had been fully wound by the crown. Also was losing time. Very
disappointed. It was my first Invicta automatic; never had any problem with other brand
autos.
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I love my Sellita SW200. I've had about 10 or so and NEVER had any trouble with them.
They all kept pretty good time too the worst one was about +/- 15 sec a day. Guess I've
been lucky They were all from the shop and were Croton, Invicta and my favorite Chase-Durer. Now the CL888 movement is a whole different story, I will NEVER own another watch
with that TRASH movement in it!! Not bashing CL888 though
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edgar3 i'm sitting on a beautiful Invicta OG tungston. took it on a trade and got hoodwinked. The
SW200 is dead and won;t wind. It's been a few months, I just don;t waqnt to send it to
invicta.
Do y'all have a place to send for a fair and quick fix?
Do any of you fellers do it for a few bucks?
I really like the watch and want to get it into rotation...
thanks
g
Try our in-house watchmaker Mehdi. His handle is "Mr Horology" and you can post or PM him
on the "from the watchmaker's bench" section of the forum.
I am not sure that the bad winding gears can be fixed on the early version of the SW200. That is exactly the problem I had with mine, and Mehdi recomended the movement be
replaced. In that case, go with the 2824-2.
Quick and cheap are not words you can use when replacing an auto movement, however.