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were present with the exception of the f ollowing :

Representptive John B. Brandt - no reason given;

Representative Louis F. Capuzi reason given;

1 Representative Richard A . Carter - no reason given;

Representative Raymond W . Ewell no reason given;

Representative J.. Horace Gardier - death;

Representative Peter C. Granata no reason given;

Representative Lillian Karmazyn - pe reason given;

Representative Henry Klosak - illness;

Representative Michael H. McDermott - illness;

Representative Leland H. Rayson no reason given;

Representative William A. Redmond - no reascn given;

Representative Anthony Scariano no reason given;

Representa*ive Edward J. Shaw - death;

Representative .Robert M. Terzich - no reason given;

Representative John W. Thompson - no reason given;

Representeative Gale Williams - no reason given;

Representative Michael F. Zlatnik - no reason given.':

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Doorkeeper : '.AII who are not entitled to the House Charclnez',

will you please retire tq t14e gallery . Thank you . ''

1!013. W. Robert B1a5.r: ''The House will be in order. The invo-

cation this morning will be by the House Chaplain, Dr.

Johnson-''

Dr. John Johnson: ''We pray, Lord God, our Father, as we ac-

knowledge with humble gratitude, the many blessings you

have showered upon our Nation and upon our State. Renew

now within each one of us a sense of dedieation to use those

blessings responsibly. Our thanks to You is a heritage of

freedom. Let us ever use this freedom with diseretion. Ou s

is a privilege in this state of Educational opportunity-

Let us pursue this with search for truth. Ours is the

tradition of individual worth- Let us maintain this' with

integrity. ours is the tradition of rule under law. L'et us

further this as we seek justice under the law for al1 our

citizens. Ours is the heritage of brotherhood. May we be

led by your grace to practice genuine brotherhooé without.A

prejudice and rancor. Grant that the spirit rule us now

in this Assembly as we reason and deliberate together as

Representatives of our People. May Your will. Our Gracious

God, be done in our midst, that Your blessings may aceompan

our labors. In the hope of Your mercy, we pray this. Amen-''

Hon. Rabert Blair: nRo1l call for attendance. Alright..

in order to get the Journal of Resolution ornthe way over t

the Senate p why t13e leave of House 'w.i.ll go the order of Res 1u-

tions soley f or the pu.rpose of passf'ng the Adjourl'tment Reso - '

tion . ''

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Fredric B . Selcke : ''House Joint Resolution 133 , Hyde , RESOLVEI),

By the House of Representatives of the Seventy-seventh Gen-

eral Asselrtbly of the State of I llinois , the Senate concurrin

herein, that when the two Houses adjourn on Friday, May l2,

1972, they stand adjourned until Monday, May l5, at 2:00 p.m.

(C.D.S.T.I.''

Hon. W.. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from 'cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House

this House Jcint Resolution l33 ah.. indicates that we will

resume ah.. on Monday at 2:00 o'Clock. Monday, May l5, at

2:00 O'Clock. I move adoption of House Joint Resolution

133.''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''All thosê in favor of the adoption of

the Resolution say. 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it

and the Resolution is adopted. House Bills Third Reading.

4276..'

Fredric B. Selckez ''House Bill 4276, an Act to make appyopria-

tion Department of Business and Economic Development. Ah..

Third reading of the Bi11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Johnson, Mr. Mccormi k.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Ladies and Gentlemen 6f the House, this Hous

Bi11, I don't hav'e the number now . . This House Bill is vir-

tually the same Bill that we passed last Session to provide

matching funds for E.D.A. program in the Wren Lake conservan y

District. It's for ah.. $1,400,000 dollars and it is.. the

passage of this Bill iy eontingent on us completinq the pro-

ject down at Wren Lake . It means that we will 11a ve avai lablq

to us $3,500.000 dollars for the completion cf that project.-J>>-.$ -=.>-$:. G E x c lt A t- A s s E M 1) L v..:' - ., -. . -. h ï

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And I certainly appreciate very much your ah.. approval of

this Bi 11 and I will say that it had extensive s tudy in sub

committee and full Committee Hearing and it came out, be-

lieve wikh an unanimous vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Alright.. the question is

shall House Bill 4276 pass. A11 those in favor will vote

'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? T1a

Clerk will take the reecrd. On this question, there are

'Ayes' Mann.. faye'.. 124... 'Nays'. And this Bill

hàving received the constitutional' majority is hereby de-

clared passed. House Bill 3795.1'

''redric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3795, an Act to amend Section

4 of an Act to provide law in relbtion private employment

Ageneies. Third reading of the Bill.'.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Rep.resenta-

tive Wolf-''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''The Speaker has asked me to have House Bill

3795 brought back to the order of Second reading for the

purpose of adding an Amendment.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Are there any objections? Hearing

none, House Bill 3795 will.return to the'order of Second

reading for the purposes of Amendment-''

Fredric B. Seleke: ''Amendment No. 2, Wolf, amend Houye

Bill 3795 on page 1, line 31 andsoforth-''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook. Representative

Wolf.''

Jaeob J . Wol f : ''AIA . - Mr . Spzake r anci Mernbers o f the House ,

Amendment No . 2 s ets up the commencement da tcï o f J'M zl-arv l: *

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for the issuance of licensing . states that the Depart-

ment shall conduct examinations least once a month and

a'lso lowers the.. reduces the fee. . ah.. the r/newal fee

from $lO to $5 dollars. I move its' adoption- ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is tl'zere any discussion? The gentle

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment Ng.

to House Bill 3795. those in favor of the adoption,sionify by saying 'ayet, the opposed 'no'

, the Amendment is

adopted. . Are there further AmenGaents? Third reading.

House Bill 3626.1'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3626, bill for an act to ame: d

'The Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bil1.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman frcm Cook, Representatzve

Carroll.n

Howard W. Carroll: ''Mr. Speaker, we're asking leave to rèturn

this Bill from Third to Second for the purposes of tablipg

the first Dnendment.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Does the gentleman have lèave? IfM

there a:e no objections, House Bill 3626 will be returned t

you on the second reading.''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Mr. Speaker, we now ask leave to table

Amendment No. 1, which is a floor Amendment and replace it

with Amendment No.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman has moved to table

Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 3626. All those in favor of

the gentleman's motion sicnify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nou

the Amendmont is tableck ''

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' Fredric B . Selcke : ''Amendment No . 2 p Carroll , amend House Bil)

3626 on page 2 by striking lines 9 through 13 and inseruing

in lieu thereof, andsoforth-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman frpm Cook, Representa-

tive Carroll-''

Howard W. Carroll: nThank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gen le-

men of the House 'Amendment No. 2 deals with side reflectors. .

The difference between 2 and 1, was that this now just says

there shall be one to the front and one to the rear on each

side of the bike rather than mandating it be in the wheel.

I move for its' adoption.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The gentle

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No. 2, to

House Bill 3626. All in favor of the adoption, signify by

saying 'aye' the opposed 'no'. The Amendment is adoptqd.' ' . .

' Are there further Amendments? Third reading. House Bill'

4196 . ''

Fredric B. yelcke: ''House Bili 4196, a bill for an act to ame d .

'The Election Code'. Second readinq of the Bill. Of a..

Third reading of the Bil1.''

Rep.. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Represent -

tive Philip-''

James Philip: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask leave to move

House Bill 4196 back to 'Second reading for the purpose of

an Amendmentv''

Rep . Arthur A . Tel.cser : '' Does the gentleman have leave? I f

there are no ob'iecti on: , House Bill rtl9($ will be returned t

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the order of Second reading.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. 1, Philip, amend House Bill

4196 on pagc 1, line 2 by deleuing ''and to repeal Section

8-5.2% andsoforth-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Represent -

tive Philip.''

James Philip: ''Ah.. what this Ampndment does is ah. . takes ou

the section that deals with the Representative Committeemen .

It was a disagreement we had wkth the kinority Party and

have bowed to their wishes and I move the adoption of this

Amendmento''


man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No . 1, to

House Bill 4196. All in favor of the adoption, signify by

saying 'aye', opposed 'no' the Amendment is adopted. Are#

there further Amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4353.

Take that out of the reeord. The Amendnent isn't ready yet .

House Bill 2215.''.M

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 2215, an Act to add Section 6. l

andsoforth to an act to establish Illinois Local Governmental

Law Enforcement Officers Training Board. Third reading of

the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook y Representati e

Regner.''

David Regner: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask leave

of the House to return 221.5 to Second reading for an Nmend-

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Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''Are there any objections? Hearing

none, House Bill 2215 urill return to the order of Second

reading for the purposes of Amendle nt -''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. Regner, amend House Bill

2215 on page by deleting lines 1 through 4 and inserting

in lieu thereof, andsoforth-''

Rep. Arehur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Regner-''

David J. Regner: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen cf the

House. this Bill was the mandatory Illinois Police Training

Act, Ah.. after the new Constitution was passed, and the

home rule units were established, there were scme objection

to the wordage. What this Aïendment does, it is makes

it.. ah.. voluntary for home rale unitse and I move for

the adoption of Amendment No. 1, to House Bill 2215.'.

'. there any discussion? The geni leRep. Arthur A. Telcser: Isman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No:

'to House Bill 2215. A11 in favor of the adoption, signifywxA '

by saying 'aye', the opposed 'no', the Amendment is adopked.

Are there further Amendments? Third reading. House Bill

4546 . ''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4546, a bill for an act to ame d

'The Unemployment Compensation Act'. Third reading of the

Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Katz.''

Harold A . Katz : ''Ah . . Mr . Speaker . I believe to have Uhis re-

turned to Second readinq f or -#.Jae ur oses of a A . ''. x d e ) * l qëo. 'wk . ,, ;, ..î. , ...z;.> e. ' . G E N E R A j. A s s E ;$1 1$ L Yl j ( ' ' . . . . 1: Iç . 1 .

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Al.rlyur A . Telcser : '. Does the gentleman have leave? Hear

i Ipry no objections , House Bill 4546 will return tc the order

of seccnd reading for the purposes of an Ameninent.''

Arthur A. Tolcser: ''Representative Katz, what number is

Lhis Amendment?''

flarold A. Katz: ''It would be Number

F'redric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. Katz; amend Hcuse Bill

4546 on page 4, by deleting line 13 and inserting in lieu

thereof the following; andsofcrth.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representat've

Katz-''

Harold A. Katz: nThis is a Bill to permit ah.. school distric s

to provide unemployment compehsation benefits. The purpose

of Amendment No. 2 is tc make clear that substitute teacher

are not eligible for unemployment compensation. I would

move Amendment No.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there discussion? The gentleman

has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No. 2, to

House Bill 4546. A1l in favor of adoption signify by sayin

'ayef, opposed 'no', the Amendment is adopted. Are there

further Amendments? Third reading. kouse Bill 4291.''Fredric B. Selcke: ''IHouse Bill 4291 a bill for an act to

amend 'The school Code'. Third re'ading of the Bill.'.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representat've

G l a s s . ''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank ycu. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentle-

men of the House . House Bill 4291 would return ah . . to the

previous law that existed before last year. The matter ofœ .

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suspending students for a period not to exceed 7 school day.

and not require a hearing in a case of such suspensions.

Now, I am in the process of a hearing on this Bill and dis-

cussing it with other Legislatures. Ah.. the matter of due

process was brought up and I asked for an opinion of the

O.S.P.I. legal counsel on whether there's any problem in

authorizing a 7 day suspension withcut a hearing. Based on

that opinion and cases from other States, we added an Amend

ment to the Bill that would require notice of any such sus-

pension to the Parents or Guardian and also permit a confer

ence on the request cf the Parent or Guardian. This is .

Bill which has been broadly supported and requested by,

think, almost every school Boârd in the State and I ask

for a favorable ro.ll cal1.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there arzy discussion? The ques-

tion is shall House Bill 429ï pass? A11 those in favor s/gnify by voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted

*ho wished? Take the record. On this question, there areve

'Ayes', 'Nay'. This Bill having received the Consti-

tutional majority is hereby declared passed. Jaffe.. 'aye',Richie Walsh- 'aye', Fleck.. 'aye', Otis Collins. . 'aye'.

House Bill 46 31 . '''

Fredric B. Selcke: HElouse Bill 4631,' a Bill for an act to

amend 'The Pension Code'. Third reading of the Bi11. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Lake, Representa-

tive Murphy-''

W . J . Murphy : ''Mr . Spealçer and Ladie s and Gen tl emen the

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House, ah.. this Bill is a joint effort of the Illinois Po-lice Association, the Illinois Municipal Retiremcnt Fund an

the Sheriffs Association. And if writes the Pension Law fo

the sheriffs and the Deputy Sheriffs making it equivalent. t

the state Police Retirement Act. This has approval of the

Pension committee and I ask for ah . . favorable vote on this

Bill. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The ques-

tion is shall House Bill 4631 pass? All those in favor sig i-

fy by vcting 'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have a1l. #

voted who wished? Take the record. On this question, ther

are 129 'Ayes' and no 'Nays'. This Bill having received '#

tbe Constitutional majcrity is hereby declared passed, ,

House Bill 3796..' .

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3796, a bill for an act to ame d

an act relating to Lake Michigan. Third reading of the Bill.'' '

I''The gentleman from Lake, Representa- lRep. Arthur A. Telcser:

l.1 Itive Kleine. . i

x' iJohn Henry Kleine: '.Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen I

of the House, 3796 was advanced to Third reading. Repre-

sentative Simmons found a correctional Amendment and with

' leave of the House, I would now like to bring it back for . '

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qSecond reading for the introduetion of the correctional

Amendment and for also fcr the tab l ing of the original

Amendment No. 2 and the submitting of the new Amendment No. 2.'f

. Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: -''Al.right.. does the gentleman have

' leave? If there are no objectionsp House Bill 3796 will re-

,1turn to tlze order of Second reading . lkepresentative Jlleinc....' ,s JTCI A ' '' ..i axr-'s J ''> '%h G E N E It A L ' A S S E M 11 L Yt yl tty. , . , 4, . j ji 1 f. lt. ' t s'rnrc ore 'ut-lslo's$. . ;.' -.?. . . ., 'i:)

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the Clerk's Offkce, the Clerk informs me ah.. that he will

correct Amendment No. There is no need to table. Is

that eorrect, Mr. Selcke?''

Fredric B. Selckë: ''Yes.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''AlriglRt.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Committee Amendment No. 2 amend House Bil

3796 on page line 4 by deleting 'Public Works. andsofort .''


tive Kleine-''

John Henry Kleine: ''AK.. this is simply a correctional Amend-

ment.and I mcve its' adoption.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: HIs there any discussion? The gentle

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No. to

House Bill 3796. Al1 in favor of the adoption, signify by

saying daye', the opposed 'no', the Amendment is adopted.

Are there further Amendments?''

Fredric Selcke: ''Amendment No. Kleine, amend House Bill

1796 on page 2, by inserting immediately after line 2l, the

following: andsoforth.''


tive Kleine.''

John Henry Kleine: ''Ah.. Amendment NQ. is offered in the

suggestion of the E.P.A. and I hav'e cleared it with the

Leadership on b0th sides of tM aisle. And we will have

Amendment No. 4, 5 and 6. This has been a bipartisan effort

to make this a fine Bill and I move its' adopticn.u

Rep . Arthur A . Telc s er. : '' I s there any di scus s ion? The gen Lcle -

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man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No. 3, tc

House Bill 3796. Al1 in favor. of the adoption. L'ignify by

saying 'aye' the opposed 'no', and the AmendmelAt is adopte .#

Are there further Amendments?n

Fredric B. selcke: nAmendment No. 4, Kleéne, amend House Bill3796, andsoforth.''

Rep. Aethur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman frcm Lake, Representa-

tive Kleine.''

Jchn Henry Kleinez ''Amendment No . 4, Ladies and Gentlemen, is

simply ah.. bringing in Sections of the Bill on the penal-

ties and the fines. And ah. . I move its' adcption.''


tive Kleine.''

John Henry Kleine: '11, so move the adoption of Amendment No.

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'' Eh disdussion? The YentlezanRep. Arthur A. Telcser: Is erehas offered to move the adoption of Amendment No

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Bill 3796. All in favor of the adoption signify 'by saying

'aye', o/posed 'no', the Amendment is adopted. Are there

further Amendmentsa''

Fredric B. Selcke: nAmendment No. 5, Kleine, amdnd House Bill3796 andsoforth.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from L'ake, Representa-

tive Kleineo''

John Henry Kleine: ''Ah . . this Amendment is the suggestlon of

the E.P./. and it merely suggests taking out the 'drblining'of water' and I so lnove its adoption .

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man has cffered to move the adoption of Amendment No. 5, to

House Bill 3796. in favor of the adoption signify by

saying 'aye' the opposed 'no'. The gentleman from Cook,

Representative Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Are these Committee Amendments or Floor Amen -

ments-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''These are Floor Amendments, Represent -

tive Shea.''

Gerald W . Shea: ''Wel1.. if they are going to be Floor Amend-

ments, I would like some explanation of what they do.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Kleine, do you wish tc

explain them.''

John Henry Kleine: 'tWhich Amendments?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Bhea, which Amendments?''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Amendment No. I assume, Representative

Kleine.''

' John Henry Kleine: ''Amendment No . 5 merely in that particular

section, We move the 'draining of water' which we ah. . in a

previous ah.. Ccmmittee Amendment have ah- outlined that th

standards of the E.P.A . and the Board will. indicate dis-

charges and water pollution. This is merely in other sec-

tions. We just thought that this would clarify and remove

any ah-.confusicn. I have cleared this with Representative

Calvo and others of the Committee. I'm sure it's okay.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Discussion? those in favor of

tl3e adoption of the Amen&Acnt sag 'aye' opposed 'no' the# #

'ayes' have it and the Ameni-qent is adopted. Are thcre

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dric Bi Selcke: uAmendment No. 6, Kleine, amend House BillFre

3796 on page 1, line 4, in the title by inserting before

' the period the following: 'and to amend an Act therein nam d

in connection therewith'; and on page 1, by inserting immed'-

ately after line 6, the following: 'ARTICLE 1. andsc'forthd.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: The gentleman from Aake, Mr. Kleine.'' '

John Henry Kleine: nAmendment No. 6 is the final to this Bill

is a clearing to the Department of Public Transportation

and merely indicates that the sharing of the responsibility

of Lake Michigan now becomes the Department of Transporta-

tion, the E.P.A., the Attorney General and the Department o

Hea1th. It brings the act in confonnance to justify Memberson both sides of the aisle i'n Committee. And this is a

final Amendment and.l move its' adopkicn.'' . . '

' Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? All '

those in favor of the adoption cf the Amendment say 'aye',

opposed Lno', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopt d. '

. Are there further Amendments? Third reading. 4123. We1l..

Third reading on that last Bi1l.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4123/ a bill for an act to

create the Illinois Bi-centennial Commissiop. Third readin

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Randolph-u

Paul J. Randolph: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House Elouse. '

Bill 4123 creates the Illinois Bi-centennial Commission and

def ines its powers and duties . One Second reading. the'

appropriation was amended down from $55,000 to %?-.>, 900 dollars4VVV71),;.4 q .-m )q' c E N E R A L ' A S S E 5 1 B L Y''c f. .. 1 , .' * % . 1/k J h . s-rav.u o rr I uuja o lsl 7 c. tk . a .

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and the Governor appointed eight Members. It was also amend d

that no more than four of whom shall be of the same politi-

' cal party. Sc, this is truly a biparuisan commission . This

was requested by the Alnerican Revolution Bi-centennial Comhni

sion. And President Nixon agreed that the commemoration of

the Nation's 200th Anniversary must be a truly National Cele

bration. The State Commissiop will be authorized to receive

hiFederal Grants and I urge you to vote favorably for t s

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? A1l those.. . The gentle-

man from Cook, Mr. Arrigo.''

Victor A. Arrigo: ''Will the Sponsor yield to a question? Mr.

Randolph, I'm going to vote for this. I think it's remdrk-

able and I'm hcping that it 'wi 11 do a good job. But my ques

tion is does the Commission that you have in mind intend to

spotlight the role of ethnic groups that participated in '

the Revolukion? Some of the ethnic groups as you know.''

Paul J. Randolph: ''Yes.. it certainly does. And among theM

primary purposes for the commemoration, commeruorating the

Bi-centennial of the American Revolutionê is for the Ameri-

can people to reflect on those ideas that are a significant

. part of our heritage and to develop projects that will have '

meaning in the decades to come. The Illinois Bi-centennial

Commission can be a meaningful contributor to these goals.''

Victor A. Arrigo: ''As ycu know , there is a growing feeling !

of ethnicity in the United States. And I believe now that '

nlost people that belong to ethnic groups other than those

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groups to whieh our Founding Fathebs with the exception of

one belonged, would like to see that their role in the foun -

ing of America is properly dominionakedeAnd I trust if this

Commission ië organized that the Speaker and the Majority a d

Minority Leader will consider placing on that Commission

some of the Members of this Body who are Members of an ethni

group. Certainly the role of an Italidn friend of Jefferso

in the writing of the Declaration of Independence 'should be

dominionated.And I trust that when this Commission is organi-

zed, that Illinois will once égain lead the United states

in its innovations, particularly in the depiction properly '

of American History.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAny furiher discussion? The questionis shall House Bill 4123 pass? All those in favor will vote

'aye', the opposed 'no'. Have a11 voted who wished? The

Clerk will 'take the record. In this question, there are

l34 'Ayes' and no 'Nays'. And this Bill have received the

Qonstitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4269.'1ze '

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4269, a bill for an act tc amen

'The Wage Deduction Act'. Third reading cf the Bill ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. speaker, Ladies and Gentléman of the

House, this is a Bill 'from the Judicial Advisory Council.

It's to bring the 1aw in conformity for the Clerks, so that

b0th Laws will be in the same time limit. move for the

adoption.u

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question is shall the House adopt

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the Bill? Shall the House pass the Bill? Al1 these in

favor will vote 'aye' opposed 'no'. Have all voted who#

wished? The Clerk will take' the record. l19 'Ayes' and no

'Nays'. And'this having received the Constitutional majori y

is hereby declared passed. 4458.''

rredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4458, a bill for an act to ame d

an .act relating to the inspecting of animals inteéded for

human food.' Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster.''

A. T. McMaster: HMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill No. 4458 has to do with the inspection of .

animals that are suspecteâ of containing poisonous or dele-

terious substance in the mea/. These animals are intended

for human food. 'This Bill would allcw the quarantine of

these animals until such time as the... this substance with

in their body could be cleared up, making the food of the

animal mcre for human consumption. This would ah..

serve the purpose of ah.. making ah.. the meat more saleablZ '

and certainly increase the ah.. ability of the rural commun

ity to ah.. sell livestock for food consumption. I urge

your passage and support of this Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: l'Discussicn? The question is shall

House Bill 4458 passz All those 'in favor will vote laye'. #

the opposed 'no'. Have a1l voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are 139 'Ayest,

no 'Nays'. This Bill having received the Constitutional

majority is hereby declarod passed. 4243..1

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Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4293, a bill for an act to con

vey land in st. Clair county. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from St. Clair, Mr.

Lehman.''

Ed Lehman: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House.'

tationHouse Bill 4243 authorizes the Deparkment of Transpor

to quit claim .344 scres cf land in St. Ckair County to the

Edgemont Bank and Trust Company. Trust Number 14551 upon

payment of $18,275 dollars effective upon becoming a Law.

I hold no opposition to this Bill, Mr. Speaker, and I would

appreciate a favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4243 pass?' All those in favor

will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have a1l voted who#

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wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this qnestion,

there are 124 'Ayes' no 'Nays' and this Bill having receive#

'

the Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. .

Carter- Aaye'. 4459...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4459, a bill for an act to ame

an act relating to the disposal of dead animals. Third

.reading cf the Bill.''

Hon. W- Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster.''

A. McMaster: ''AK.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House: Hcuse Bill No. 4459 is to bring the 'Dead Animal

Disposal'Act' under conformance with the present E.P.A. stan -

ards. I urge your support of this Bi11.''

Hon . W . Robert Blai r : ''Di' scus sion? The question is . ' sha 11

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House Bill 4459 pass?'. All those in favor will voke 'aye',

the opposed 'no'. Have .al1 voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. In this quçstion there are 14l 'Ayes',

no 'Nays' and this Bill having received the Constitutional

majority is hereby declared passed. 4353.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4353. a bill for an act to ame d

'The Workmen's Occupational Disease Act'. Third reading

of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Barry,

asked leave to have that Bill returned to the order of

Second reading for purposes of an Nnendment. Objections?

Hearing none, the Bill will be brought back the second time

and the Clerk will read the Amenelent. What Amendment is

this? What Number?''

Tobias Barry: nIt's Amendlent No. 2..' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. the Clerk will read Amendmen

NO .. 2 .. ' '

Fredric B. Selcke: nAmendment No. 2, amend House Bill 4353...

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlepan from Bureau, Mr. Barry.''

Tobias Barry: ''It's merely to correct two typographical errors

on one Bill only. It doesn't change the substance of the

Bill one iota and I recoxmend its' adoption.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nDiscussioh? A11 those in favor of the

adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' the opposed 'no' the

'ayesl have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there

further Amendments? Third reading. 4283...

Fredric B . Selcke ; ''House Bill 4 283 , à bill f or an act to anten 1

4 ' A ' G 1! N (,: lt A L A s s E :4 8 L v, . ? ( m. 4/ L' 1'. - x. j .l t c . 'J ' . , y.l.k y s ' r h 'r s o rz 1 u u 1 wl o I shk: '-L.'sJ.. orv'.r. .. .

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an act to relocation assistance. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Winnebagol Mr. Nortl .''Frank P. North: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemeù of the

House, House Bill 4283 is a Bill for relocation. It was

suggested by the Department of Housing and Urban Developmen -.

Effective July 1, 1972, H.U.D. could not approve any pro-

jects that will result in the displacement of persons unles

the applicant can provide .satisfactory assurances cf com-

pliance with payments required under the uniform relocation

assistance in real property acquisition policy of 1970. Th's

Bill will correct that situation. It was initiated to ccve

the situation, however as limite'd to the displacement by

the acquisition and does not presently cover displacement b

code Enforcement Rehabilitation or Demolition Activities.

I know of no opposition to this Bill and I would apprediate

your support-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The quYs

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4283 pass?'. A1l thoée in favorXM

will voie 'aye', and the opposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who

wished? The Clerk will take the record. In this question,there are 13l 'Ayes', and no 'Nays' and this Bill having

received the Constitutional majority is hereby deelared

passed. 4116.0

Fredric B. Seleke: ''House Bill 4116, a bill for an act to ame d

'The Revenue Act'. Third reading the Bill.''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''T1le gentleman f rom Kane . Mr . pariedland . ''

Join Friedland : ''Thank you, Mr . Speeker, Ladies and Gelttlemen of the House . The synops is is correct concerns

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Bill 4116 which reduces to one week a minimum period for

which a publication for notice of hearing in a tentaAtive

. municipal budget ah.. must be published ah .. As Maury Scot

pointed out in the CormRittee hearing of the Bill, this

brings it into conformity with the Illinois Municipal Budge-

Law. I'd appreciate your support.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have a1l voted who. . . . Is there any

further discussidn? The Clerk will take the record. The

question is: 'shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor

will vote 'aye' the opposed 'no' ' Have all voted w13o

wished? The Clerk will take the record . In this questione

there are 125 'Ayes', and 2 'Nays' and this Bill having re-

ceived the Constitutional majority is hereby declared.passe .

3586 . ''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3586, a bill for an act to ame' d

an act relating to payments for State Services, fees or

taxes. Third reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.''ve

Harold A. Katz: ''On House Bill 3586 provides that when servic s

are to be paid for that are public services that the notice

to the public should specify that the ehec'k should be made

payable tio the office of the Official rather than the named

Official. This Bill was unanimously approved by the Execu-

tive Colonittee and I urge approval- ''

Hon. Robert Blair: nAny further discussion? The question

is, rshall House Bill 3586 passa'. A1l th6se in favor will

vote 'aye' the opposed Have a11 voted who wisbed?

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e the record. In this question, thcre ar 1(

l38 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and this Bill having reteived the

' Constitutional majority is hereby'declarcd passed. 3557.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3557, an act t6 amend an act

relating to regulation of traffic on private roads. Third

reading of the Bil1.'' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook Mr. Regner.''. e

David J. Regner: ''AK.. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this Bill permits municipalities in Counties to

establish and enforce traffic regulations on private proper y

at the request of the owners, in a project or a sub-divisio.having at least 10 residential units. And it also has a

provisicn for the recession of such a request and I ask'for

a favcrable vote-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAny Discussion? The questicn ise 'sha l

House Bill 3557 pass?'. Al1 those'in 'favor will vote 'aye',

the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this questione there are 1l5 'Aye L

and no 'Nays' and this Bill having received the Constitutio al

majority is hereby declared passed. 4318..'

Fredrie B. Seleke: ''House Bill 4318, a bill for an act to ame d

, the Township, waterworks and sewaqe systems aet. Third '

reading of the Bi11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Glass.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentle-

men. Ah.. this Bill is corrective Legislation and ah. .

ând presently Waterworks Systems and Sewerage Systems andcombined Watezozorks Systems are suppose to be covered by th

' $ .,, IZ. '. 331:% . 1 . ',, . .,

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ah.. Bill which we passcd in 1969, but through an oversight

in that Legislation, the term 'Waterworks' was . omitted .

Excuse me, the term 'Sewerage Systems' was Qmittec' and thi

Legislation ah.. simply adds that language and I request a

favorable roll call.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further Discussion? The questicn is,

'shall House Bill 4318 passa'. All those in favor will

vote 'aye. the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished?#

The Clerk will take the record . On this question, there ar

ll6 'Ayes': and 2 'Nays', and this Bill having received the

Constitutional majority is hereby deelared passed. 4319...Fredric B. Selcke: YHouse Bill 4319

, a biïl for an act toamend Township, Waterworks and Sewe<age systems Act

. Third

reading of the Bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Glass.''

Bradley M. Glqss: ''Thank you, 'Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentie-men of the House, House Bill 4319 w'ould authorize the sale.of Revenue.. issuance and sale of Revenue Bonds by Town-

xe 'ships at a rate not to exceed 7 percent

. Under the present

Law ah.. the rate limit is 6 percent and Bonds in the presenmarket cannot be sold at this rate of interest

. At the re-question of the 'Committee, I put an Amendment on which would

limit the 7 percent rate for one year and I request your

suppcrt for this Bi11.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Maragos-''

samuel Maragos: ''Representative Glass, does khis in any way

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chahge the ref erendum or non-ref erelRdum of theso pprticular

bond assessment?''

Bradley M. Glass: ''NO.. Representative Maragos does

not. This is simply on the sale of the .Bill at the rate of

interest that can be paid.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The question

is 'shall House Bill 4319 passa'. Al1 those in favor will

vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have a1l voted who wished?

The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are

1O8 'Ayes', and 2 'Nays', and this Bill having received the

Constitutional majority is hereby. deelared passed. HouseBill 4481 . ''

Fredric B . Se lcke : ''House Bill 4.481, a bi 11 f or an act to maen

an act relating to alcoholic liquors. Third reading of the

Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. D. J.

O'Brien..'

Daniel J. O'wBrien: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this is a Bill to amend the 'Illinois Liquor Control

Act'. To codify a practice that has been in existence in

many municipalities in Illinois fo: quite some time, it is

practice that has been engaged by the State Liquor Board.

That is to request evidence of dram shop insurance before th .

issuance of a State Liquor License. This Bill... this Amend

ment tc the Liquor Control Act will require such evidence of

.insurance, will make the revocaticn cr the cancellation of

the policy grounds for 2he cancellation or revoeation of the

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license. after a hearing, going into why the insurance was

cancelled.. the reason for the canecllation of the insuranc .

I think that the Amendment could llave been made to the 'Dra

Shop Act' ah.. will necessitate passage of this Bill to

afford protection to the public that every dram keeper will

have insurance. I'd appreeiate a favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question is.. . . The gentleman from

Lake, Mr. Matijavich.''

John s. Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker, I have no question, but Iwant to speak on this Bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright... go ahead.''

John S. Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, ah..think many of you will recall when we debated the Dram

Shop Bill last session. Ah v.. I think that the majority cfus recognize the inequities of the D/am Shop Act. A/d the

fact that so many small businessmen are required to

pay very heavy premiums. Now, there's an added danger in

this Bill. If any of you know any of your small businessme

who are ïn the Tavern business, you recognize the fact that

very often they can not get Dram Shop Insurance. It's so

very high and there are so few that offer' the insurance and

there is sort of a monopoly of this type of insurance. I

think that al1 this Bill would do would be to encourage that

type of monopoly. And actually, it would run people cut of

business through no fault of their own. And many of you

have read, I'm sure, where these insurance companies have

offered Dram Shop and all of a sudden they do.. . insurance

and then the 've one under, left the small businessman hig.. . > A ê 4), .+) ...) >.o

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d dry'with nothinq. I think all this Bill would do isan

further punish that small Tavern owner and I think that we

as a Legislativ'e Body ought to kill this Bill right now-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers.n

Webber Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, ah..

I know that in my community ah.. ràther elderly people who

cwn the land and the building where Taverns are located. A

. few years ago' one of them inaavereentzy ah.. azd not watch

ehe lease very well and found for a siort period of time' that they were unprotected. During this time,,ah.. an acci

dent occurred ah.. that they had t.o get their own Lmfger or

defend themselves. Now, agree with Representative Mati-

jevich that there is a certainly amount of ah.. dangab Eo

Tavern owners in this particular Bill. Ah.. hcwever, when

look at the position of the landowner or building owner

who may'be unprotected, I kind of have a feeling that this

is ah... that the Bill merits ah.. support. Ah.. the ad-

vantages overweigh the disadvantages. Now, it looks to meae

as if as the record develops that ah.. based on the changes

we made in the Law this last year, that the action of the

Retail Liquor Dealers Association in the State of Illinois

would be to insist and demand that the insurance ah.. car-

riers under the Dram Shop Act would be forced to lower thei

rates based on the actual loss record. So, I think that th's

is a Bill that we should support. Although, there are some

disadvantages, I think that the overall advantages and the

protection of possibly innocent people ah.. that own land

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and buildings paramont here. There*ore, I would support

this Bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blaiy: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Glass.''

Bradley M. Glass:' ''Wi11 the Sponsor yield for a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Representative O'Brien ah.. Dan, is there

any rate eontrol in Dram Shop Insurance; Ië othqr words,

.would there b: any way for ah.. the Tavern operators to be

certain of getting insurancea''

Daniel O'Brien: nUnder this Amendment, Representative Glass,

there is no ah.. rate control. This Amendment has nothing

to do with the rates of Insurance. It also has nothing to

' do with the scope of liability.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Wille Mr. O'Brien.''

George M. O'Brien: ''Mr. Speaker pnd Members of the House, in

response to Representative Matijevich's remarks, I think theheart of the matter is general nature of the unfairness of

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the Law. The Law doesn't dim r'iiinate between the good Taver

Owner and the bad, and as consequence, if you obtain a

glass of Beer in any Tavern at any time of the day, you are

subject to a law suit 'if someone gets hurt laier on. That'swhere the problem lies. As long as' ypu don't eliminate that

then I subscribe wholeheartedly to my colleague, Dan o'Brien's

i i there bçcause that's pro- imeasure. Gets Some nsurance n. i

tecting the Tavern Owner and I really think he needs it in

face of this unfair legislaLion.''

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. Hon. W'- Robert Blair; ''Any further discussion? Does the gent e-

man cabe to close? Mr. O.'Brien.''

Daniel J. O'Brien: OJust briefly, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gen 1e-

' man of the House, this Amendment to the Liquor Control ACt

protects the landowner on which a Dram Shop... cn which a

Tavern is located. It protects the Manager and owner of the

good Tavern. And most importantly, it proteets the citizen .

' d as a resklt of someone who becomes intoxi-who may be inaurecated in a Dram shop- . in a Tavern. I think its' a good

Bill for the Public and a gocd Bill for the Tavern owners

and I would appreciate your support.''

Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''The question is, 'shall House Bill 4481

passa'. A1l those in favor will vote 'ayei' the oppcsed 'n '.#

Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record.

on this question, there are 59 iAyes' and 40 'Nays' and this

' Bill having failed to receive a Constitutional majority ishereby declared lost. 4270..1 !

Fredric B. gelcke: ''Hcuse Bill 4270, a bill for an act to ame d

'The Municipal Code'. Third reading of the Bil1.''IHon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Wayne, Mr. Blades.''

Ben C. Blades: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hous ,' j

' House Bill 4270 amends 'The Municipal Code'. Ah.. the muni

cipalities whc have their own power and now need additional

power for standby or ah/. emergency need to run a transmis-

sion line to another source cf power, so that they can trans-

mit power from that other source to their local plants for

redistribution. They have that autbo'rity now, but occasion

' allvw thev run iqko the difficultv of Gettinq ' ht-of-wa '

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: nHe indicates hetll yield.''

Harry Yourell: ''Ah.. Ben, are you familiar with Senate Bill' 939:7 '' ' '

1 I 1 ' 11 'Ben C . B ades : No , I am nOt .

Harry Yourell: .'Ah.. well then: we had that Bill in sub-commi tee

and it is somewhat similar to the legislation that we are

talking about now. The question that occurs to me or the

thought that occurs to me at this point is that during the tiexplanation of the Bill

, did I hear cérrectly when ycu said

that you were going to amend it so' that the municipalities

that exercise this authority would ah. . when at the time of '

the ah.. exercise would be put under the control of the

regulation of the Commerce Commissionl'. ' '

Ben C. Blades: nThat is corredt. It has been amended.''

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jHarry Ycurell: ''Wel1. . then to your knowledge is it ah . . legal

to ah... as a power.. ah.. as a private utility company, in

effect. Isn't it?'' 'k

n ' he uestion?'' lGen c. Blades: what s t q i

Harry Yourell: ''The corporation that has and supplies its own

power, for example, is a private utility . Is it not?''

Ben C. Blades: ''Yes.''

. Harry Yourell: ''Then-. do you.. do you believe that can come '

under the control and regulation of the Commerce Commission?'' '

Ben C. Blades: ''Ah... Outside. When they do outside of the

City limits of Fairfield for this power of. . of a municipali yf or this power of eminent. doma in . Yet, I didn ' t have that'uestion . . . ''q

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Harry Yourell: ''AH.. there seems to be some doubt about that,

because the same question came up in the debate on ah. .

in Committee on senate Bill 939. And I was just wonderingif that is true or not. Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Christian, Mr.

Tipsword.n

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Would the gentleman yield for a questio ,please?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes. ''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Representative Blades, we have a situa-

tion that ah.. numerous smaller comxunities that have had . .t.h ir own power p'lants . That in this ti'me of increasinge

use of electrical powery they do not have the ah. . wherewith

all to increase tlleir facilities to efficiently io providethe power. Isn't that true? And this is needed for es-pecially those instances?'' ' '

Ben C. Blades: ''That is exactly thq situation and it is a fact.that they can buy power from these power companies cheaper

. A ' .' than th/y can manufacture it for themselves

.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: HThat is especially when they're in a

system..?'' '

Ben C. Blades: ''That is the purpose of this Bill so they can

lay a transmission line to another source of power and transmit it into distribution system

.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: nThank you -''

' Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''The gentleman from'ah. . Boone, Mr.

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questiona'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nHe indicates he will.''

Lester Cunningham: ''Representative Blades, does tiis give thethe power to ah.. beyond the corporate lines? Would that

extend beyond ah.. County lines, too? County boundaries?''

Ben C. Blades: ''No, Mr. Cunningham . does not give the

munieipality any further authority as far as redistribution

is concerned. This is merely. and I put an Amendment on..

another Amendment to, making it clear there that this power

could not be redistributed to ah.. various users. It is

merely tc transfer power from one souree of power to anothe .

And it does not give them any additional authority as far as

redistribution is concerned.''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Xosinski.''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Will the sponsor yield to a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair:' ''Yesï he indicated he'll yield .''

Roman J. Kosirtski: ''Ben, ah.. the need for what this Bill pro-

vides is obvious to me. It. is to increase facilities ko cer-

tain areas that are now limited as to what they are getting

in electrical power.. Is that correct?''

Ben C. Blades: ''That's correet.''.

Roman J. Kosinski: ''At the same in Committee were there op-#

ponents to this other than other electrical agencies, oppo-

nents from landouifars of eminent domainsz''

Ben C. Blades: ''Ah.. the ah..lllinois A/ ricultural Associationmodestly opposed it-n

Romaz) J. I<osinski : ''In theory or specif ically for locaticnj''

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for the poles. And this Bill grants the power of eminent

domain under the same rules that govern the power companies

' through the Commerce Commission. .This Bill has the support.

of the municipalities. It has the support of the Electric

Co-ops. And I have placed an Amendment at the request of

the power companies on the Bill to remove their objection

to it, placing these companies under the Commerce Commissio

not companies, the municipalities under the Ccrmlerce Commis

sion when they go outside to secure this eminent do-

main. I would appreeiate your su/port and would be glad toanswer any questions.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fleck.''

Charles J. Fleck: ''Representative Blades, you mentioned the

power of eminent domain. N6w is this to acquire the fee to

any property or an easement to construct these power lines?''

Ben C. Blades: ''Is could be as much as an easement for proper

to locate a sub-station. Ah.. it's primarily for the purpose

of getting an easement to locate the poles.''xe

Charles J. Fleck: ''It's for sub-station and not necessarily

linesr'

Ben C. Blades: ''It could be, that is correc't .''

Charles J. Fleck: ''It could be both?''

Ben C. Blades: ''Yes.''

Charles J. Fleck: ''Thank ycu.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cooky Mr. Yourell-''

Harry Yourell: ''I'd like tp answer... ask t%e Sponsor a ques-

'tion, please.''

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Ben C. Blades: ''AIu . it was a matter öf trying to protect some

of the farmers. Ah.- that the farmers don't like this power

of eminent domain. However, that's the only ones that I

recall outsidé of the major power companies, which asked me

to put this Amendment on, placing them under the Commerce

Commission. I would have rather not had it that way, but

l'eaves a 1ot to what they've got now-'''

Ropan Kosinski: ''And ah.. these farmers who had ah.. essen-

tially resented the idea of eminent domain. Did they resent

it in principal or are they going to specifically affected

negatively in some waya''

Ben C. Blades: .'No, they are not going to be affected nega-

l the situation' is this at the present time.. tive y. You see

If the power compahy were building the line or a proposed

line, they already have that authority to go and do that,

and they have the authority of eminent domain under the

Ccmmerce commission. However, ahu. in many instancesz the

small municipalities do not want a continual year aroundxM '

source of supply. Therefore, the municipality must stand

the cost of the line to lay it to the power company to pick

it up. Now. the situation was reversed, they already

have the authority of'eminent domain.''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''And the farmers Who complain negatively,

are they being served by this new facility?''

Ben C. Blades: nl didn't get the question-''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''The .farmers who complained, are they also

going to be served by this new facility?''

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Ben C. Blades: ''No, they are in a1l probability being ah..

served by ah.. Electric Co-ops or ah.. a power company at

that time. Ah.. it isn't likely t%at they will be..- No

there will be no service off of this transmission line, yo'u

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Roman J. Kcsinski: ''Thank you, Ben.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers.''

'Webber Borchers: ''Will the Sponsor yield to a questiona''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wi11.''

Webber Borchers: ''Ah.. I would like to have clear in my own

mind that a munieipality will be able ta buy eminent domain,

go outside its' borders to ah.. take from a landowner prope ty

for sueh a station or sub-station. Is that correet-r''

Ben C. Bladeà: ''That's what the Bill asks for.''

Webber Borchers: ''Is it necessarily so, since it's a municipa i-

ty? That means that it wculd be serving a ccmmunity instea

of the farmers whos land is taken. Is that soa''

Ben C. Blades: ''What's your question?''

Webber Borchers: ''A municipality will be serving their own

community with their own electric power, sa that they are

able to... this will give them power to go outside... to

ah.. take land outside of the municipal borders. And they

will not necessarily, and the fact is that it will be very

rare, thak they will be serving the farmer.whose land is 'being

taken. Is that right?''

Ben C. Blades: nThey might well be serving that farmer, if

they have that- .''

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Webber Borchers: ''It could happen, buE the chances are that

it's just a municipality. I want to make ahother thing

clear in my mindr Is it possible for this municipality to

ah.. go into a'n adjoining County? For example, near the

Christian County and Macon Ccunty Line, for say, Taylorville,

and ab.. pick up a ah.. eminent domain. They can go from

one County to another. Is that rightr'

Be.n C. Blades: ''Yes, that is correct. The power companies

have that authority now.''

Webber Borchers: ''We11..''

Ben C. Blades: ''The major power companies have that authority

now, Representative Borchers.n

' Webber Borchers: ''One other question. . Abcut what is the aver-

age size of the ac'reage, half acre, acre that would be take

by such an act? Have you an idea?''

Ben Blades: ''Nc, what we're talking about... primarily what

we're talking about here is not sllling off a farm or. taking

a piece of acreage. It is locating the poles. These meant

to locate the poles-''

Webber Borchers: ''It's mostly.-.''

Ben C. Blades: ''Ah.. that's what we're talking about right now-''

Webber Borchers: could be a sub-station, poksiblya''

Ben C. Blades; ''Yes.''

Webber Borchers: ''In my estimation, recollect. As

recollect, that ought to be a small area, maybe a fourth of

an acre?''

Ben C. Blades: ''A fourth of an acre, a half of an acre some-#

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Webber Borchers: ''And the rest of it is just merely for poles.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster.''

A. T. McMaster: 6'Will the Sponsor yield for a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indieates he wi1l.''

A. T. McMaster: ''Ah. . Mr. Blades, you say that this would

involve only a small acreage or possibly a location of poles.

But is there any restriction on acreage within the Bi11?''

Ben C. Blades: ''NO.. no, there is no restriction on the power

companies at this time. What this Bill asks for is the muni-

cipalities have the same authority that the power companies

havq.'' h

A. T. McMaster: ''AK .. this is what bothers me about the Bill,Mr. Blades. Ah.. supposing i farm in a vicinity of a town

,

they decide they want to come out on my farm and put a sub-

station there, put a row of poles aeross it and perhaps ah. .

three poles to each setting. And it's very difficult for a

fanner to farm around this set of poles. For one thing, he'is losing the right to control his own land in that they can

take any unspecified number of acres to build a sub- station

and ah.. what is the compensation to this man. Is there an

negotiation allowed for compensation for what he loses?''

Ben C. Blades: ''WYII, certainly. That's why it's placed under

the Commerce Commission to give them the power of eminent

domain to see that they ah .. negotiate and reaeh a settle-

ment with the ah..damage that's done. And 1et me point out

to you, the illustration V'hat you gave, the major powercompany has that authority now. ''

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A. T. 'McMaster: ''Yes.. this one of the problems, Mr. Blade .

The power company already has it and now we're going to

extend that power to the municipalities. I ah.. certainly

ah.. recognize the problem of the municipalities as far as

power supplies and sources are concerned, but certainly I

think that the farmer ah.. has some rights toc, many of

which have already been taken away and now we're going to

give away some more rights'that we have had .''

Ben C. Blades: ''I agree with you that the farmer has his

rights, but at the same time, don't think any body can

stand in the way of prosperity.''

T. McMaster: nPrcsperity?''

Ben C. Blades: ''Or prot'gressm''

A. T. McMaster: ''Thank you, Mr. Blades.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The 'gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Lopdri-

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James T. Londrigan: ''Would the Sponsor yield to a questiona''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nYes, he indicates he wi11.''

James T. Londrigan: nRepresentative Blades, while I'm generall

in support of this Bill, I am somewhat concerned, especiall

about the Amendment putting it under the control of the

commerce commission. I see no need for such an Amendment

to what is a good Bill. This is a rate regulation agency.

What reason is there for.putting it under the Commerce com-

mission, when al1 they're going to do outside their municipa

limits is to have power stations?'' '

Ben Blades: ''We11, just to be real lightly honest with you,

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' d rath'er not had tlïe Amendment on it and I thought thatI

the power companies were not going to oppose me with this

Amendment. They felt that the munfcipalities should be

plaeed under the same restriction that they were under. An

really you can't really fall cut with that-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Peoria, Mr. Tuerk-''

Fred Tuerk: ''Will the Sponsor yielda''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nHe indicates he wi11.''

''A t a o Representative Blades thereFred J. Tuerk: momen g , ,' was some reference tc senate Bill 939. You're not familiar

with that Bill?''

Ben C. Blades: ''No Sir, am not.''

Fred J. Tuerk: ''We1l, it's quite similar in its effetnt, but

it has 35 mile limitation on it. Does your Bill call for

any mileage limitation at a11?''

Ben c. Blades: ''No sir, my Bill does not call for any limita-

tion. I wouldn't be avebse. to putting a limit on it to

coincide with senate Bill 939 of 35 miles, if it would please

any of ycu. If that would help me to get my Bill through.''

Fred J. Tuerk: ''Wel1, my second question would be ah.. why

putting it under the Commerce Commission is this going to

make a viable Bill, one that you feel will pass?''

Ben C. Blades: ''l felt that when I agreed to that Amendment,

I felt that I was removing the objection of the power com-

panies at that time.''

Fred Tuerk: see. Thank you-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The qentleman from Rock Island, Repre-

sentative Pappas.n, . . . a.l t

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Peter Pappas: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I'm losing power in my mikes. I move to the previou

question-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The previous question has been moved.

A1l those in favor cf the gentleman's motion, signify by

saying 'aye' the opposed 'no' the previous question has# '

been moved and the gentleman from Wayne, Representative

' Blades is recognized to close the debate.''

Ben C. Blades: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this situation does occur that the small municipali-' ho still own their own power system are confronted wi *ties w

at the present time. Many of them over the years have had' their utility system and their power' system to supply their

own power. Ah.. then ncw, the major power companies can

manufacture this power and sell it to these municipalities

cheaper than the municipality .can manufacture it for itself.

With the annual growth of need of power, these municipaliti s

7are no lpnger zn the area where they could continue to floa

bonds and increase their facilities. Therefore, it is nece -

sary for them to seek posqer tc meet the needs that they hav

. at the present time, not on a continual basis, but just on

certain times of the year. And this Bill designed sc

that they may 1ay a transmission zine, nct a redistribution

line, but a transmission line to that source of power. Whe er

it be the Southern Illinois Power Ccmpany, the C.I.P.sw

'Electric Co-operative or whatever might be, merely that

they may go to that source and pick up additional power.

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Now, this works 10th ways. In a case of emergency, they

could pick up additional power from the Power Company. Now,

if there was another emergency in ,the other part of the

State, or the area where they picked up their power, the

City could transmit power to that area. Many of these muni

cipalities have blaekouts daily: weekly, mcnthly. Now. at

the present time, as you know with the Hospital facilities

that most cf them have, there are times when they cannot

afford in the public interest to be without a source of

power. So, I have ah.. tried to be as fairly and hcnestly

with you as I know how to be in explaining this Bill. That's

what we're trying to do. I solicit your support-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The question is, 'shall House Bill

4270 pass?'. Al1 those in favor signify by voting 'aye'#

the opposed by voting 'no' The gentleman from Peoria, Re-

presentative Day, to explain his vote.''

Robert Day: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hous ,

it seems to me that we're going to have to recognize that

this Legzslature should make it possible for people who

live in these small communities to get electric power. Now ,

if itls not provided by a municipal powef company, it will

have to be provided by a Public Utility, another company.

Either way, you've got to have lines running into the muni-cipality from the main source of power

. We have given two

public utilities the authority to condemn land for this pur-

pose. This Bill seems to have adequate pfotection for the

rural person who doesn': feel that his land shculd be con-(ia mna d - .beczs.ln 54 rn 3' 1' = ' ' cm 1 1 y- .sa- - lrr--tchey-c-Jan-lou -y

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use or exercise the power of emineni domain where it is nec s-

sary. So, he has the opportunity for a hearing. First of

all, to determinp whether his'land is necessary for this

purpose and secondly, he has the opportunity of a hearing t

determine what is a fair compensation for the land. And I

see no reason why we should discriminate against a municipally

ope/ated pcwer company in favor of a public utility. The. people in Mr..Blades area preferred to be served by a munie

cipal power company, they should be put on the same basis

as a private public utility-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Ccok, Representa-

tive Meyer.''

' Theodore Meyer: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this Bi'II refers to an eminent domain to quote

and unquote the source of power. Ladies and Gentlemen, I

submit to you under this Bill .a City could go out and con-

demn not a small corridor, but thby could go out and con-

demn tho sands acres for a generating facility Cooling Lake.

I don't believe that this is what this Bill is intended for.

For that reason, I'm voting 'no'.''

Rem. Arthur A. Telcser: nThe gentleman from Marion, Represent -

tive Stedelin.''

Harold D. Stedelin: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladics and Gentlemen of the

Assembly, there's nothing wrong with this Bill whatsoever.

As far as the City going out and condemning thousands of

acres, they wouldn't have a need for it and they wouldn't

have the money to do I happen to know that welre losin

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43.industry in a certain community

, because of the lack of

power; which will mean that it will be close to another

ï,000 people without work. For goodness sakes, give us a

little chance go grow. That's al1 we ask. This won't hurt

a thing. Please vote 'yes'. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Teicser: ''The gentleman from Macon, Representa-

tive Borchers.''

Webber Borchers: .'Mr- Speakek and fellow Members of the House,

I want to just point out two things. There's nothing stop-ping a municipality right now frorc going out 2

, 5 miles,10 miles and buying a quarter of ûn acre of land any

direction that they want from a farmer for that station.

Number two, we have thousands of miles of rcad networks, pav d

and unpaved, still in this State . Those power lines are be-

ing put right now along dvery road we've got and I doubt

very much that it would much out of the way of any munici>al'-

ty to set.. to give the power of eminent domain and cutting

right across a man's field where he's go more troubles withweeds and control, and plowing and a1l that

. They can goright now by all the rogds we've got and you a1l kn

ow they

can go everywhere in Illinois with. these roads-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representati eKosinski.u

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker, may I explain my vote?''

Rep. Arthur Teleser: ''Proeeed.''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker and Gentlemen, it appears to

me that we enlarge urban areas. Yet/ legislatian and the

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44.

right to make thick swamps through highly congested cormluni

ties and this upsets millions of people when we need a road

way. Now, here's a situation where small growing towns, in

my mind, need certain additional facilities and we are quib

bling about the possibility of easement rights and possibly

a few small buildings. I khink that we are denying growth

to these small villages and I cast a 'yes' vote-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Kane, Representa-

tive Waddell.''

R. Bruce Waddell: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of th

House, in explaining my vote, I think that you are forgetti

one thing. Your not denying them this right because they

can put in a larger power plant if they want to. Whut you

are saying, in effect, is that a utility could come in and

help them out purely on the amount that they want over thei

normal usage. In otber words, this very situation, which was

heard the following day and those of us on the Committee

were notxnotified that the meeting was gcing to be the fol-

lowing morning. so that we could hear this. #7e find our-

selves in a situation where small communities at the bequest

of the Town Board now are given the right of eminent domain.

I think it's terrible. These comfunities have been offered'

power by the Co-ops. Theylve been offered power by the util'-

ties and here we have a case of proliferation of power of

each small community in the State of Illinois. Itts a bad

Bill . ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Wayne, Representa-

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tive Blades, to explain his voteo''

Ben C. Blades: ''Mr. Speaker, If Mr. Waddell wasn't at the

meeting the next morning, it is simply because he wasn't

attending his'committee Meetings as he should have, because

was definitely announced in recess for 9:00 O'Clock the

next morning. And I'm sorry if he wasn't there to hear the

discussion. And I ah.. don't like the inferring there that

ah.. he said that there was a little chicanery pull in get-

ting this Bill out of Committee, because that is simply not

so. I would ask for a... permission to postpone considerati n

of the Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlernan has asked leave tc have

, ah.. Hcuse Bill 4270 postponed. Does he have leave? Hearin

b tions this Bill is put on the order of p'ostponedno o jec #

consideration. House Bill 4637..'

Jack O'Brien: .''House Bill 4637 a bill for an act in relatiùn#to Public Water Districts. Third.reading of the Bill '':

Rep.' Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from St. Clair, Re-A '

presentative Flinn-''

Monroe L. Flinn: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill 4637 amends the Act relating to the Public

Water Districts Eo provide that suçh district may acquire an

part of... of the Public and Water'oistrict Works and system .

Ah.. the purpose of this Bill is to remove some ambiguity in

the present law that exists. It clears up the right of cne

public water company tp bu# the property of the other. In'

my District, we have a situation where there are two water

' . . . - . . . . . . - . - .. ...... .

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companie' s and two sewer companies , al1 intertwined with one

another . all lying within the same District . 'Jhefg desire

to join togethèr to form one company and one management. one

maintenance crew, and so forth, for the purpose of economk.

I respectfully ask your suppcrt for House Bill 4637.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcaer: 'iFurther discussion? The question is#

'j 'shall House Bill 4637 pass?', A11 those in favor will vote. 'aye', the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the record. On thïs kuesticn, there arel ' ' ' ' ' -1ll Ayes , and 1 Nay , and this Bill having received the

Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4178.''

Fredric B. seleke: ''House Bill 4178, a bill for an act to

amend 'The Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bill.'''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Henderson, Mr. Neff.''

Clarence E. Neff: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House.'ah.. House Bill 4178 a motor vehicle law's commis-

sion Bill. This Bill was heard thoroughly in the Commission

and went into Committee... the Motor Vehiele Law Ccmmittee

and passed out unanimously. This is a Bill that ah.. straig tens

up some language the use of the dealer car place. Gen-

erally speaking, we have no problem on this, but there have

been a few areas in the state of .lllinois where they have

had some problems and some car dealers have been given ticke s.

Although, none of these tickets have been upheld in Court

and there has been no conviction any of the tickets. A1l

this Bill does is actually ah.. change the language on a

dealer car plate as a persenal vehicle and as not a demone

strator . I would appreciate tho smpport of this l.eqislation . '''''- L .ze'r % ' . r''ii x/ . .wi. '. .-. ,.. % ï G E N E 11 A L A S S I*- M B L Y. , ,.,.,!:

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Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: '.Will the gentleman yield for question? Ah..

Mr Neff ah.. would this Bill mean that a dealer can now

drive his personal car for perscnal use and use dealers

plates rather than paying the regular fee like the rest of

us do?''

Clarence E. Neff: ''No. it does not, Represehtative Hyde. In

fact the way the 1aw is set up and the way that the Secre-#

tary of State interprets it, there's no problem whatsoever.

' But in the State Law, there seems Yo be some confusion when

their driving- .and a person driving a demonstrator car. 11

àome areas and a few sections in Chicago, they have been

given a ticket on it even though this is using as a demon-

strator. And this doesn't change that whatsoever. All it

does when it's a demonstrator ear being used as a demonstra

tor, they may use demonstrator license on it.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Then, the line in the synopsis, regret I

haven't read the Bille where it says 'the lease prohibition

on dealer owned vehicles used permanently as a personal ve-

hicle'. That is incorrect?''

Clarence Neff: '.l think thlt this is ah..this seems to be....''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further Qiscussicn? The gentleman

from Ccok, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''AK.. Mr. Pappas informs that a dealer may not

use dealer plates on a car that is titled. Ah.. Ah.. only

on ah.. cars that are ava.ilable for resale, so that does

answer my question and the synopsis is apparently wrong the) .

Thank y ''

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48Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The gentleman

from Henderson, Mr. Neff, care to close?''

Claronce Neff: ''l think that if there are no more questions

on this, Mr. Speaker, that ah.. ah.. I will ah.. ask for ah ..

vote to ah. pass this Bil1''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question is, 'shall House Bill 4178

pass?'. All tho&e in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed

'no '. Alrighty... take the record. On this question, there

are 1O9 'Ayes', and 'Nays', and this Bill having received

the constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4190.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''House nill 4190, bill for an act to amend

'The Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Henderson, Mr. Neff.''Clarence E. Neff: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen o/ the

House, this is to correct.something ah.. when we passed the

transportation ah.. Bill last year. This moved the ah. .

school buses from the Superintendent of Education into the

Transportation Division and this put these sehool Yuses inthe second class division where they had to be ah.. tested

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and ah.. in April and October. What we would like to do is

be able to test these buses.. school buses before the starti g

of a school semester, which we would need to do. This wculdpermit that school buses to be checked or inspected any time.They would still have the

. two inspections a year and they

could inspect them before school started in the fRll and a1sduring the Christmas vaeation

. It wöuld also take them out

of that deal where second division trucks and so forth areinspected and they wouldn't have the long waitin there.

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Again, this Bill was studied by the Motor Vehicle Laws Com-

missidn and was passed out of the regular Colonittee without

any dissenting votes and I would appreciate ycur support-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The gqntleman from Cook,

Mr. Meyer.''

Theodore Meyer: ''The Digest says that it strikes th8 Secti n

relating to the statutory ah.. inspections and says that

the Department will make rdles and regulations. Are there

any statutoçy schedules?''

Clarence E. Neff: ''Ah.. Representative Meyers, that's a mis-

print in that there and there is statutory requirements.

And they would have require all of thcse. A1l this Bill does

is sets it so they can be inspected any time during the

ear instead of April and October . ''y

Theodore Meyer : t'Then it' dpes strike the twice a year ip-

spection by law.''

Clarence E. Neff: ''It doesn't strike that, Representative

Meyers. It still has to be 'inspected twice a year. It justM

changes the dates of when they will be inspected.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? Would the gentle-

man care to close?''

Clarence E. Neff: ''I would appreciate a favorable vote on this

legislation, Mr. Speaker-'.

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The'question is, shall House Bill 4190

passa'. All those in favor will vote 'aye'. and the opposed

lno'. Have a1l voted who wished? The Clerk will take the

record. On this question, tbere are 92 'Ayes', and 4 bNays'

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and this Bill having received the Constitutional majority

is hereby deelared passed. Telcser. . 'aye'. ' 4104.'.' Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4104; a bill for an act to

amend Section 9 of the 'Safety Glazing Materials Act'. T'hi d

reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Rock Island, Mr.

PaPPaS.O

Pçter Pappas: I'Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hcuse,

House Bill 4104 amends the 'Safety Glàzing Materials Act'

vides that the Act will applica'ble to installations madeprO

after October 1, 1972. The reason for the change in date

is that the manufacturers of tempered glass will not be ah. .

produce enough glass at the present time to meet the 'requir -

ments of the law and hopefuily, the Glazing Committee feels

that by October they would give them sufficient time to

manufacture enough glass so that the installers can comply

with the law. I would move for its' adoption.n

Hon. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from ah. . Any further

discussion? Alright.. the question is, 'khall House Bill

4104 pass?'. All those in favcr will vote 'aye', the oppos.d

'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk will take the

record. On this question, there are l03 'Ayes', and l 'Nay',

and this Bill having received the Constitutional majorityis hereby declared passed. Hall.. 'aye'. 4206.

..

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4206, a bill for an Act to

amend the 'Environmental .protection Act'. Third reading of

Ehe Bil1.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Mr.

schneider.''

. J. Glenn schneider: f'Thank you: Mr.'speaker. 4206 is Bill

which was requested by the Governor's Office to be sent

through the process once again. It was originally House

Bill 785. During the process of Amendment and ah.. deletion

of certain items within the Bill, there was apparently an

lizing the Bill. AB . . at the time when theerror in journa .

amendatory veto was offered, I submitted one in competition

with it. Ah.. we adopted the Governor's Amendntory Veto, as

you might imagine. And my Amendatory Veto or my Amendmdnt,

however, ah.. appears to be the one that was journalized.

In order to have the Bill in its' proper form, ah.. aà I

said, we yent the Bill again through Committee, and hope-

fully, to the House and the Senate fcr passage. It's ah..

basically a corrective measure. I solicit your support on i .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers-'

Webber Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and fellow Members of the Housexe

I think that we're just going overboard on giving power to

these gentlemen in Chicago. Four of them frcm upper Chicago

and one Downstate. Noise can be obnoxious, barking dogs, et .,but the police powers under home rule will take care ofand do take care of it. Why in the world is necessary

for us to give even the pcwer to others, from my point of

view from Downstate .for someone in Chicago to tell me that

my police department can't even regulate the noise in my

6wn community. That somebody can make a noise and tbey can

y?z '' sta* r.:/ l-la 0. a' r 1 . sw illykro. yrtpmebotW-l-gr--ih.fxa-''G' $ 1 .qxq )' b 4 yw. .z N .% -( -D''- 'X. G E N E It A L A S S E M B L 5', t t(g..:-

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in Decatur,-lllinois or Blue Mound. I just think that we'rgoing overboard in this thing. Lqosq, I'm sure and I'm not

' going to take the time, that I coùld very well prove in re-

lation to what I said yesterday. . . about the relation to

burning leaves and smoke the weed. In deed, I ask. But

that has nothing to do with todays problem of noise unless

you hear the crackling burning of leaves in the fall. Neve -

theless, I think that we should draw off some cf this stuff.

And I think we ought to vote ané cut them down a litt e

srjja 1,

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The gentleman fro

Dupage, Mr. Schneider, to close-''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''Just very briefly, Mr. Speaker. I'am'

very sympathetic with what Mr. Borchers is speaking Ho -

ever, most of the restrictive ah.. natures of the Bill have

been deleted. That again is the basic judgement. I know

that ah.. Webber doesn't agree with it, but the judgementrests with E.P.A., and I prefer to leave in that fcrm .

I'd appreciate your support.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HThe question is, 'shall House Bill 42O

pass?î. A11 those in favor.will vote 'aye' and the oppose

'no'. The gentleman from Vermilion, Mr. Craig-''

Robert Craig: ''I'd like to ask the Sponsor a question. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. explanation of vote.''

Robert Craig: ''Say ah.. During corn harvest. . these corn drie s

which malce quite a little. bit of noise. How am I going to

get that noise controlled on my boundary line? Is this

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53.

going to affect that tooa''

lenn schneider: ''Bob, on that- . ah.. agakn, when the BillJ. G.

azmonwas originally formed, it has decibel limits and foot

sions. For example, it had 85 decibels measured on a scale

at 50 feet. During the Committee Hearing, and finally at

the Amendatory veto, a11 that was striken and I think that

the E.P.A. is going to have make those types of decisions.

'And I think that they'll make them on a reasonable level.

So, it takes out most of the controversial aspects, which

disappointed me. But, nonetheless. I do think that there

has be some kipd of controls... beginning controls on th

problem of the noise. And I don't think that they're going'

to ba establishinq restrictions on corn pickers, and so

forth, ah.. that are not possible to live under.''

Robert Craig: ''Welle I haven't got quite as much confidence i

the E.P.A. as scme have, but I.'d rather for them to work

these things out first and then Yome with their legislation.

Because 1. thini that this could be quite a problem, especia -

ly in the rural areas that border maybe on a little town or

some place like that.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers.''

Webber Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and fellow Members of the House,

in explaining my vote, I sincerely hope that they will try

to find out hcw to make muffled jack hammers for building

the buildings. So, no sound will go beyond... a few feet

'beyond the building that's being erected. I'm sure that

it would be t13e interes: of the surrounding people to stop

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54.

the construetion in Chicago, for example, because it's goin

toofar with tbe noise output. What Representative Craig

sàys is quite true in relation to farm machinery . There's

always nuts in this State. some of our finest ones are ah. .

ah.. nuts that we have are the five men that welve got oh

that Board. Dictatorial. Arbitrary . It's incredible the

stories that I have from cver the State of Illinois. do.-.

I dcn't want them to have .any more power. I just merelysuggest that the... that this 1aw goes into effect , w e

should do something about out Police Sirens, our Fire

Departments, our Ambulances. Thes'z noise is penetrating.

It's very distu/bing to me to hear such a vehicle ccming

behind me and find that I must, by law, turn over to the

side of the road. think khat we should stop it a'l1. The

whole thing idiotic. i. f you want to know what I reailythink about it.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further dis.. . The Clerk will take

the reeord. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz. D. J.

O'Brian..'aye'. O'Brien. . 'aye'. The gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Katz. Fcr what purpose do you rise? The gentle-

man from Dupage, Mr. Schneider.''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''Can I explain my vote. Mr. Speakera''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.''

. J. Glenn schneider: ''We11 I wanted to respond to what Bob# .

had asked. And that is the question of ah. . absolute limits.

The Bill as I said earlier was fraug'ht wikh khe problera, And

the reason the E . P .A . clpposed it on tllat grounds was the f ac -

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55.

that they may some day want to establish different kinds of

limits, whieh are more realistic than in ah . . 1972. So,

h think ah.. they are trying.to work for is an accommo. w at I

dation of the variety of problems that al1 of us face, whetl er

we be City, Rural or Downstate. But, think that it is a

ah.. very eminently reasonable request that they have made

of me and I was willing to delete it from the Bill itself,

aware that many Yechnclogical changes are taking place in

measurements of noisesy and so forth.' Much of the change

will have to come in the manufacturing of items and ccnstruc-

tion of buildings, and so forth. So, I think that what you

doing is prejudging it as I did and presume that ah.. 80 to

85 D.B.A. would be ah.. realistic level to ah.. establish.

But, I think, at this point; it is unreasonable and they

will nct ah.. lcck themselves into any specific D.B .A.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan.n

Michael J. Madigan: ''Mr. Speaker, on a point of personal

privilege, I would like to take this opportunity to intro-

duce to the Hcuse of Representatives, a group of Students

from my Legislative District. There is a group of Students

in the Gallery to my rear from the Hubbar'd High Sehool and

they are accompanied by the Assistant Principal, Mr. Richar

Coes. I would like to point out to the Body, that today,

we will pass an agreed Resolution commending the students

of Hubbard High School for certain work which they took upo

themselves in plasteringr painting, washih g floors, varnish

'ing, waxing, and wallpapering the school when fund shortages ,

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budgetary cuts , when the Administrative bcttlenecks c)f thc

Chicago Board of Education prevented this work from being

done by the Board itself. So, the Students are the rear

of the Gallery and like to welcome them . ''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Plinn.. 'aye'. Taylor.. 'aye'.

Laurino.. 'aye'. Yourell.. 'aye'. Have a1l voted v/ho

wished? Wait uhtil I announce the roll, please. How is

J Y Carter recorded? Jémes Carter.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ron Hoffman . . 'aye'. On this question,

there are.. J. Wolf has changed his vote 'aye'. 93 'Ayes'

30 'Nays' l 'Present'. The gentleman from Macon, Bor-#

chers request a verification of the roll call. So, the

Members will be in their seats. The Clerk will verify.''

Predric B. Selcke: ''Arrigot. Barnes.. Barry. . Berman.. Brandt..

Brenne.. Brinkmeier.. Burditt.. Caldwell. . Calvo.. Cappafel i..

Carroll.. Jimmy carter.. Chapman. . Choate.. Clabaugh.. Coli z..

Otic sollins.. Phil Collinsk . Conolly.. Davis.. Diprima.....-e

Douglas.. Downes.. Duff.. Dyer. u Epton.. Fleck.. Flinn..

Garmisa.. Giorgi.. Glasp.. Graham . . Ha1l.. Henss.. Hill. .

Ilirschfeld.. Gene Hoffman.. Ron Hoffman.. Houlihan.. Hyde. .

Jacobs.. Jaffe.. Jones.. Katz.. Kleine.. Kcsinski. . Laurino..

Lechowicz.. Lehman.. Lenard. . Leon.. Londrigan.. M. Madigan. .'

Mann.. Maragos.. Matijevich.. McAvoy.. Mcconnick.. McGah. .

McLendon.. Mcpartlin.. Merlo.. Meyer. . Peter Miller.. Moore. .

D. o'Brien.. George O'Brien. . o'Hallaren.. Palmer. . Pappas..Pierce . . Randolph . . Regner . . Schlickman . . Schneide r. . Shea . .

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5 7 .

R. Thompscn.. Waddell.. Wa1l.. Harold Washington.. Welsh..

Frank .Wo1f.. J. J. Wolf- B. B. Wolfe.. Yourell.. Mr. Speak.r.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Schoeberlein.. 'aye'. Alrigl'aL.. the

gentleman frcm Macony Mr. Borchers. suggest you go cver

your seat and use your microphone. Genoa Washington..

'aye', Sevcik.. 'aye'. How is the gentleman recorded?''

Fredric B. selcke: T'The gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayelw''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take him off the record.''

Webber Borehers: ''Brinkmeier?n'

Hon. k. Robert Blair: ''He's in his seat.''

Webber Borchers: ''Calvo?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's there.''

Webber Borchers: ''Capparelli?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's there.''

Webber Borchers: collins?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''NO.. Phil Collins? How 's he recorded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take him off the reccrd.''

Webber Borchers: ''Pierce?n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nHe's there.''

Webber Borchers: ''Diprima?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''How's the gentleman recorded?n

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayel. l

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take him off the reeord.''

Webber Borchers: ''Garmisa?''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : .'He ' s there . ''

Webber Borchers: ''Hill?''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's here.''

Webber Bcrchers: ''Londrigan?''

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's there.''

Webber Borchers: ''Lehman?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Lehman or McLendon?''

Webber Borchers: ''To tell you the truth, can't read my writi g.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Lehman apd McLendon are b0th in their

seats.''

Webber Borchers: ''Houlihan... O'Hallarena''

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.. he's here-''

Webber Borchers: ''Piereea... piercea''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Well.. you tried him onee and he's stil

there.u

Webber Borchers: ''schneidera' This is terrible, but I wrote

it so fast. R. Thompson?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's here.''

Webber Borchers: J. Wolf?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''How's the gentleman recordeda''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.

There he is-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alrigbt.. he's there.''

Webber Borchers: ''That's it.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAlright.. on the verification, there ar ..

The gentleman from Henderson: Mr. Neff, for what purpose do

you rise?''

Clarence E. Nef f : ''Mr . Speaker, how am I recorded? ''

I4(3n . W . Robert Blair : ''How is t14e gentleman recorded? ''

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''

Clarence E. Neff: t'I vote 'no' Mr. Speaker.''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentle

man, 'no'. 93 'Ayes'#and 31 'Nays'., this Bill having received the Constitutional

majority is hereby declared passed. 'Present'. 4506.

The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragcs.nSamuel C. Maragos: ''Mr

. Speaker, having voted on the prevailing

side of House Bill 4206, I move that we reconsider the vote-'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Berman.. .

Berman-''

Arthur L. Berman: ''Lay that motion on the table-''

Hon. W. Robert Blairb ''A1l those in favor of the motion cnthe table, say 'aye', the opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it#

'

and the motion to table prevails.''

, kFredric B. selcke: 'House Bi1l 4506, bill for an aet to amend

lThe Ravenue Act'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemap from Sangamon, Mr. Jones.'

pavid Jones: ''Mr. speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, 45$6 'is really a housekeeping Bill requested by theDepartment of Local Governmental Affairs, whereby the filingdate for those seeking the Hcmestead Tax Exemption must nowfile by March the 1st. removes that exemption and they would

apply on the same rulep as anyone else to appear before theBoard of Rev.tew. move its adoption

.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The question is,

'shall the Hcuse pass 4506?'. A1l those' in favor will vote

'aye': the opposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who wished? Take

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the record. On this question, there are ll7 'Ayes'. and

'Nays', and this Bill having received the Constitutional

majority is hereby declared passed. Walter.. 'aye', BillWalsh. 'aye' Hudson- 'aye', Lep Cunningham.. laye'y#

Lauterbaeh.. 'aye' Juckett. . 'aye' Lehman.. 'aye', Harber#

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Hall.. 'aye', Choate.. 'aye' Alsup. . 'aye' Cox.. 'aye'' ê '

Dan O'Brien.. 'aye' Hcuse Bill 4507.'1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4507, a bill for an act to

amend 'The Revenue Act' Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Sangamon, Repre-

sentative Jones.''

David Jones: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen ef the

House: 4507 is another request from the Department of Local

Governments. That we remove t$e requirement that a Disable

Veteran, Homestead Exemphion, be certified each year by .the

Veterans Commission. Tiey must certify, of course, with 'aCounty Assessor, but there is no need for this tc be an

annual requirement. And ah'. . I solicit your support of thexe

Bil1.''


tion is, 'shall House Bill 4507 pass?' Al1 those in favorwill signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'.Have all voted who wished? Také the record. On this ques-

' tion, there are 14O 'Ayes' and no 'Nays': and this Bill hav-

ing received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4508.',

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Fredric B.' Selcke: ''House Bill 4508. a bill for an aet to ame d

an Act relating to State Fair Agency. Third reading of the' Bill '' '

'' 1 tleman fro% Sangamon, Repre'-Rep . Arthur A. Telcser: TRe gen

sentative Jones-''

J. David Jones: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, 4508 creates a seven pember bipartisan bcard to direct

, the Illinois State Fair and appoint its Managers. The thre-

of each Party and the Dean of AgriculEure of a State Univers'-

ty as a seventh member. Lesiglation has been approved by

the Governor and the State Fair Advisory Board. And the

ah.. Board must be approved by the... appointments must be

approved by the Senate. This is a remedial action ûo take

care of the problems cf the State Fair and put into proper

order. And I solicit your support for this legislation.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: e'The gentleman from Cook. Representati e

Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: nAs I read this Bill, again we get back to thi

#wist in what we mean. Ah.. but it seems to me that the

Governor could appoint three of the people of his Political

belief and three so called.man primary voters. Is that

dorrecta''

J. David Jones: ''It says that the Governor shall make appoint-

ments, three shall be... no more than three shall be of the

same Political Party-''

Gerald W. Shea: ''We1l let.'s assume that Mr. Walker is Governo

next year, he appoint three Democrats and three Independents

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and no Republicans. Is that what you have in mind?''

David Jones: ''We11, it's to be a bipartisan Board. Is the

intent of this, Mr. shea. Would you suggest that we amend

it to include three members of eaçh of the major Political

P a r Lies ?

sald W. Shea: ''Three members from each of the Partiès whp po led

the highest in the last General Election. . Something like .

that.''

David Jones: think that would be a good idea. Let's

work it out.''

?. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Do you want that our of the record#

'

Representative Jones? Or are you going to do that in the

Jenate?n

''We'll do'it in /he Senate.''David Jones:

'.- Arthur A. Telcser: ''Ys there further discussion? The

'luestion is, 'shall House Bill 4508 pass?'. A11 those ih

zavor signify by voting 'aye' and the opposed by voting

no'. Have all voted who wished? Take the record. One.A

Xis question, there are l04 'Ayes', and 16 'Nayss, and this

ùll having received the Constitutional majcrity if hereby

oclared passed. House Bill 433711.

-ic B. selcke: ''House Bill 4337, a bill for an act to amen

he School Code'. Third reading cf the Bi1l.''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Dupade, Representa'ze SchBeider.''

ànn schneider: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year, w e

Tsed legislaticn on House Bill 322 and I believe,

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which required education for children, especially the handi-

capped. However, we did not previde for certifieation of

Instructors on that level. The OCS.P.I. requests me to ah..

submit a Bill which would allow them to establish guidelihes

for qualifications and certification for individuals in this

Area of Special Education. At present, it appears that we

do not have adequate personnel and adequate certification in

this Area. Soe I think that the Bill would ah . cover those

problems sufficiently. sc, I solicit'your support-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Adams, Representa-

tive Mcclain.''

Elmo'Mcclain: ''Wi1l you yield to questicn, pleasea''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: .'He indicates he wi11.''

Elmo Mcclainq ''AK.. how about 'a grandfather clause? Did you

finally put a grandfather clause in there, like for the

head start kidsr'

J. Glenn Schneider: ''No# there's no grandfather clause becaus

I think when we discussed it in Ccmmittee, I talke to Vito

Bianco, and he had thought that the guidelines would include

those kind of individuals whc had the experience. Because

it is important, you know, .as long as we don't have the ah..

numbers to gc around and heal the.problem. It is legical'

that the O.S.P.I. would establish guidelines which would in

corporate the individual who had experience with special ed

ucaticn ah.. children. So, I think. ah. . this is what we

discussed in Committee ancl I think Dh . Bianco prekty much

indicated thau that was tbe direction of the O.S.P.I. Officn ''

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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representative

Ka t Z . ''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, would the Sponsor respond '

question?u.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indieates he will-''

Harold A. Katz: ''Whc would be setting up these qualifieations?''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''The O.S.P.I. would establish the guide-

lines and certification requirements from their Department

dealing with ah.. special education.''

Harold A. Katz: ''Well, you're using the initials ah . . would

you . . ? '' s

l h eider: ' ''Office of Superintenéent of Public Instru -G enn Sc ntion, Dr. Bakalis' Office.

''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah. . is there any procedure prcvided forhearing as to what the qualifications ought to be or do you,.?.'

J. Glenn Schnqider: ''It would have to go before the certifl-cation board.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: 'îThe gentleman from Cock, Representa-

tive Otis Collins.''

otis G. collins: ''Ah . . Representative schneider, ah.. what is

the present ah.. practice in this particular area?''

J. Glenn Schneider:' ''There was ah. . no certification. So,thinky what was happeninge Otis, was that people were being

hired who had some experience to the Kindergarten level. .

K through 6. This will not necessarily preempt those peoplebut will make an effort tg ah. . to pay a'ttention tc the Area

of special handicaps. So, you don't necessarily excltzde any

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body. éut it does mean that the suporintendent's Office

will make special interest... efforts rather, to consider

their interests as teachers in thi: field.''

Otis G. Collins: ''Is this Bill endorsed by the ah..

by any of the leading Organizations in this particular Area.'i

Glenn Schneider: ''We11 the Association of the Mentally#

Retarded endorsed the Bill in Committee. Also, various

educational groups throughout the State indicated ah.. by

signing ah.. proponent slips in Committee that they had en-

dorsed it. I did not speak to them, but the slips were

signed in Committee. They did not appear on behalf cf the

Bill at that time.''

Otis G. Collins: ''One more question. Are we addressing'oub-

selves to the ah.. area ah.. having to do with the standard

Day Care Centers. Or are we addressing ourselves to areas

having to do with ah.. ah.. special Day Care Centers, havin

to do with ah.. special classes of children?''

Glenn Schneideb: ''It does not pertain to my knowledge, Okis:

to Day Care centers. The Bill does not read that way.. It

talks about schools-''


tive Glass-''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Wil1 the Sponsor yield for question?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he wi11.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''A1&.. Glenn. I wonder if could expand on

one of your answers to Representative Collins. Ah.. now,

if I understood what you said. With this provision for a

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certificate to be issued to teachers for teaching Children

under 6 years of age, I think that you indicated that peopl.

. who didn't have a certificate could still teach. Is that

correct or ah.. would they be prohibited from teaching wfth

out a certificate?''

Glenn Schneider: nThe point of the Bill, Brad, is to establish

the proper eertification required. So, if there qualified

and eligible, thbn they would have a certificate-''

Bradley M. Glass: ''But then, if they do'not obtain one, they

will be prohibited from teachingz Is that righta''

Glenn Sehneider: ''Then. they would be unqualified. That's

why... by presumption rate. I don't know at this point what

the guidelines are. what the criteria are, but the bepartme t

is gcing to establish those.' And I don't think that it's

typical that we establish by statute, certification require-

ments . ''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you.''


tive Meyer.''

J. Theodore Meyer: ''Thank ycu, Mr. Speaker. Representative

Schneider, and group of other parents' several years ago

established a monetary school for our ehildren . And we went

out and hired the Teacher and bought the building andbought the facilities. Would we now have to have a quote :

unquote certified teacher?n

Glenn schneider: ''Not to my knowledge .'.

J. Theodore Meyer: ''Why not? Or is the digest wronga''

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J. Glenn Schne.itler: ''Wel1, let me check the digest. Right..

' unless the application is to private school:, ah.. which it

is not to my knoFledge in thià case, then, cf course, they'r

not going to fe covered. It doesn't require that private

schools have that. Remember, in the debate on the aid to

non-public schools. one of the question was ah.. proper

: certification for teachers in non-publid schools. Ah.. atII'

. this point, it seems that is not required in my Bill no more

than it was required in that Bill at that time-''

J. Theodore Meyer: ''Briefly, Mr. Speaker. Not having the Bill,

but it appears that this would apply to a11 children. And -

based upon that reason, I believe that this Bill should be' defeated.'' .

Rep. Arthur A. Telcseè: ''The gentleman from Lake, Representa-

tive Pierce.''

Daniel M. Pierêez ''Ah.. Mr. Speak. er, this Bill is required fo .

this simple reason. Last year, wë mandated a special.educa-

tion for çhildren three and four years old, handicapped

children, and there was no certification process now. So,

we're trying to encourage ah.. young people in our Colleges

. ' and Universities to take up early childhood educaticn, but

they wondt do it. The r:ason theyqwon't do ib is because

there is no certificate available Vo them when they graduate

from the University of Illinois or Northern Illinois or

Illinois State at Normal. There is no certificate available

.fcr early childhood education. A11 this Bill does is make' a certifieate available to our teacher of three, four and

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five year olds. Now, private schools are not covered and

ters and Monetary Schools and Nursery SchoolsDay care Cen

and we have them in my town and they are very fine schools.

They are not covered by the certification requirements of

the staeuee. you do not have to be certifieated... certifi.d

ah.. to teach in a ah.. private nursery school and tsis sill

doesn't require that. I would be concerned with Representa

tive Meyer did. I'm convinced that this Bill does not re-

quire Yhat private Nursery School Teachers ah.. be certifie .

Even, the aid to the non-public school Bill does not cover

the pre-school years... the early years. Soe I think, what

we're going here by providing this certificate and this is

Dr. Bakalis' Bill, is encouraging young people in our Co1-

leges ana schools of sducation to take up early childhood

education, so they can get .a certifigate... obtain a certi-

ficate when they graduate. It's a good Bill and I dbn't

think it will cause harm ah.. to what Representative Meyer'

is concerned with. I would be concerned just has he is, if

I thought that it did.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlentan from Dupage, Represent -

tive Gene Hoffman.''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''Mr. Speaker and Representatives of the Hous .

this does not apply to private schools. It amend Seekion 21-2,

actually adds a sub-section to it. It applies only to publ'c

schools-' does not apply to private schools. just wan

to make sure that this point is well clarified, just to amp i-

fy the statements that'rtepresentative Pierce just made.''

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69.Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The Lady from Dupage

, RepresentativeDyer.''

Mrs. Robert C. Dyer: ''Wculd the sponsor yield to a question?''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''He indicates he will.''

Mrs. Robert Dyer: ''Alright. . now I accept that. That

answer one of the questions of the private sehool or the

church run school. But, how does this relate then to the

use of teaehers àids and parent professionals whieh are cer

tainly needed, partieularly with the young children? Is

there-..or elsewhere in the code â requirement that X Numbe

of teachers in this system have to be certified? I can see

where this would self defeating, you require that every-

body who works with children .. grade school children must

have a certificate. Ah .. tden, your cutting out the lovely

teachers aids which are necessary to kids, because they

can never have enough money to do Excuse me.''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''Giddy, I wouldn't want to cut out the

lovely teacher aids. And ah . . the Bill isn't designed to

do that because parent professionals are exactly what youidentified them as. They are not teachers

. They are noE

certified. We have parent professionals working in a11levels of education doing and handling responsibilities forwhich they are designated. They are not designated as teach

ers. They are designated as parent professionals and that'sthe way it remains. So , it does not cut them cut at all .u

Mrs. Robert C. Dyer: ''To pulsue that. . That doesn't answer my

total question. My total question is then is there else-

where in the scho-ot ctnde a w-earn a' vc.. ms.z:p. l-laat--y-ou-lRave-t,o;u. .%. -( 4 >. . z.., *jj .-. ç s E sj u j

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have a designated number of certified teachers in every ah. .

pre-school or in every school having early' childhood dovelo -

ment? That's where you're budget would skyrocket, you see.''

J. Glenn Schneider: can't answer that question because I. .

you know, without being an expert on the 'The School Code'#it's pretty difficult for me to respond to that

. Buk the

Bi11 makes no number requirements. Does not exclude parent

professional or anything of that sort. I ean't.. Does that

answer the question? not, ittll have to be done by re-

search. don't have any idea. of that. Maybe someone who

know the Code more thoroughly than Ie could respond to that. <

I think that's a different question, though.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gdntleman from Ogle, Representa-

tive Brinkmeier-d'.

Robert E. Brinkmeier: ''Mr. Speaker, would the sponsor yield?''

Rep. Arthur A.. Telcser: ''He indicates he will-''

Robert E. Brinkmeier: ''Ah .. Glen, have a question regarding'the final sentence. I'm sorry. . . I apolcgize for not bring

.A 'ing this up in Committee, but apparently, it slipped by.

I'm wondering, as I interpret this final sentence, we are

aetually putting a blank eheek to the' state Teacher's Certi

fication Board a'nd the O .S.P.I. Ofxiee because it statesthere that in the Code shall be approved by the superintende tof Public Instruction in consultation with the State Teache 'sCertification Board. Ah.. as I interpret that ah . . we don'

know what those requiremehts are going to be. But we're

'actually giving a blank check . Are we not?n

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' J. Glenn Schneider: ''Well, as I mentioned before is that the

policy of certifieation goes to a certification panel and! .

they deal with those kind of requirements. It doesn't be-

come policy to my knowledge that we establish statu tory'

kind of restrictions on certification.'' '

Robert E. Brinkmeier: ''Okay. . Thank you.'' .

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: Is there further discussion? If not, .

the gentleman from Dupage, Representative Schneider, to

close the debate.''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''AK. . Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think

we've raised a number of pertinent questions and I hope tha

ah.. in the disdussion, we were able to respond favorably

' to them. And I ask ah .. for your support on the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The question is, 'shall House' Bill

4337 pass?'. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye''

and the opposed by voting 'no'. The gentleman from Cooks

Representative Meyer, ko explain his vote.''

J. Theodore Meyer: .'Mr. Speaker, Page 1, line 33, refers to

quote, unquote in facilities approved by O.s.P.I. This

would apply to every Catholic School, every Monetary School#

every Nursery School. every Day CFre Center. This is a

terrible Bill, Mr. Speaker, and it should be beat .''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''The gentleman from Champaign, Repre-

sentative Clabaugh-'t .

Charles W. Clabaugh: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House#generally speaking, I don't look with very much favor onissuing more different kinds of certificates

. But, non- '

public schocls are not required to lRave certificated teacheis. '

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72.'Phey are not covered under 'The School Code: in those place..And, so the statement of the gentleman there

, 11mmm... just. sure that it is completely in error because you are amendin

a Section of 'The School Code' that does not apply to thenon-public schools. Ah - . you see, two years ago or maybe

four, we required that if there were sufficient number of .children between three and five years old

, that speciali

. education programs must be installed for those children.

Now undoubtedly, there is a need of a different qualifica-tion to be the best teachers ah. . for the ones under five

years of age. Now: that does not mean. . . and it's to that

grcup that these certificates would be issued. Pecple who

' have special training in that field- -that does not mean

that a teacher that is now teaehing under a certificate.... '

a special education certificate and to teach special educa- .

tion, /ou must have a special certificate and one that qual'-fies you in a particular category cf special education. Th tdoes not-mean 'that a teacher

. . . that is teaching in the

present schools couldn't on her certificate in the three tofive year groups. It would mean that if there was a certi-

ficate for the three to fiv: year olds. . ah.. children..

' that the school administration, w%o was hiring a teaeher ah. .

!would say 'yes' this teaeher. We want her because she is 1!certificated particularly and specifically for these childr n

. (' ;I think the Bill is a good Bill and I think it's one that. lIwe're going to necessity have in a little while. It doesn'

eut anybody out. Now , it does not apply to the teacher. (

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those that for which eertified teachers arb required.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Represent -tive Schneidêr, to explain his vote-''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''l was looking at Bob Brinkmeier's refer-ence to Bob's question and appears that ah

e .we still

have this particular question about wh6's certifies in that

Area. In the last line, it says that the requisite hours

and the nature of academic and prcfessional ccurses and

practical experience offered as a basis of the Early Child-

hood Certificate shall be approved by the Superintendentof Public Insbruction in consultation with the State Teache 'sCertification Board which is 'pretty much the same way thatit applies to all'certification of instructors throughoutthe State. And I think in the case of ah

. . Elmo Mcclain'squestion as to who is going to be exempted out

, practicialexperience is mentioned as a possible criteria

. But .1 thin

Yhat we're going to cover just about every Area we couldwM '

possibly cover. Give plenty of leeway to the establish-

ments and certifications. Thank you.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''Have al1 voted who wished? Takethe record. On this question, there are lO3 'Ayes', and5 'Nays', and this Bill having rec'eized a Constitutionalmajority is hereby declared passed. Alright.. House Bill4213.'1

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4213, an Act to vacake, exting ish,

abandon and release on easement for highway purposes in

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Peoria county, Illinois. Third reading of the Bill-.'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The qentleman from Peoria: Mr. Lauter-

Wilbur H. Lauterbach: ''Mr. Speaker,.Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, 4213 vacates the right-of-ways of certain land

133 Acres located in Peoria upon payment to the Stite of

$4,520 dollars. Some years ago, the State Division of High

ways purchased this tract of Land and additional property

for Highway purposes and they paid the owner's value at

that time. It is now determined that they no longer need

this portion of the Land and the owner wishes to repurchase

his property. The summoned descripkion of this was prepare

by the local State Division of Highways, so there should be

no opposition to this legislation. I respeetfully açk your

favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Rabert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is, shall

House Bill 4213 passa'. those in favor will vote 'aye'

and the opposed 'no'. Have'all voted who wished? The ClerA

will take the record. On this question, there are

Okay, so we can keep this moving. Al1 of you who are not

on your switches, come up here and add your names ah. . on

the roll call, if you want to be on it. There are 97 'Ayes',

and no rNays', and this Bill having received the Constitu-

tional majority if herefy declared passed. 4176...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4176, Act to amend Saction

15-111 of 'The Illinois Vehicle Third reading of

the Bill . ''

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Hon. W. R6bert Blair: ''The gentleman from Brown, Mr. Markert.'

Louis A. Markert: ''Mr. Speaker, Mene ers of the House, House'

Bill 4176 inserts weight limits oh tri-axle trucks. It

requires power string on trucks with 10,000 pounds or more

weight on the steering axel. It allows local authorities

to establish weights and speed limits on cement laden

trucks and full home rule for home rule cities. Two Amend-

ments were offered or suggested by the State Police. They

were b0th adopted. I think this is good legislation . I

ask for your favorable consideration-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is, 'shall

House Bill 4176 pass?' All those 9.n favor will vote 'ayef,

and the opposed 'no'. Have a1l voted who wished? The èler

will take.the record. Randolc.. 'aye'. On this question,

there are l06 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having

received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. If you don't get on that roll call, you're going

to have to come up here and have them give me your names.A'

Cause I1m not going to slow down the process for that. 432 .''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4329. . .. Wait a minute.. 4329

is not cn the calendar-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '.4436.''

Fredric B. Selcke: House Bill 4436, a bill for an act to amen

an Act relating to metal mines. Third reading of the Bil1.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Johnson, Mr. Mccorm'ck.''

L. Mccormick: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, this

amends mine inspeetion act. It increases metal mines in-

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spections to one each month. At the present time, the Law

specifies once each three months. Ah.. I know of no opposi

. ticn to this Bill and actually it resulbed from our mine

aceidents down in Hardin County last year and ah. . the Co1-

mittee unanimously supported the Bill and the Department

wan'bs it and I know of no opposition. I would appreciate

your vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blait: ''Discussion? The question is, 'shall

House Bill 4.436 pass?'. All those in Tavor will vote 'aye',and the opposed Sno'. Have al1 vo*ted who wished? The Clerl

will take the record. On this queskion, there are 136 'Aye %

and no 'Nays'e and this Bill having received the Constituti n-

al majority is hereby declared passed. 4434.''Fredric B. Selcke: nHouse Bill 4434, a bill for an act to

amend an Act relating to the sale of fireworks. Third

reading cf the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Moore.''

Don A. Moore: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to have House Bill

4435 considered with 4434. They are companion Bi1ls.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Moore-''

Don A. Moore: . ''Yes, I would like House Bi1l '4435. . . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. doeg this gentleman have lea e?

Alright.. read 4435.'.


amend an Act relating to fireworks. Third reading of the

Bill.''

Don A. Moore: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. and Members of the Houae

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Ah.. these two Bills. Mr. Speaker, amend 'The :nireworks

Regulation Act'. And in effect, what they accomplish isto transfer the. ah.. responsibility of supervision over

fireworks manufacturing, storage and transportation from

the Department of Law Enforeement to the Department of Mine

and Minerals where there is more experts teaching insofar

as 'explosives are concerned. know of no objection to theBill. It come out of the recent ah . . Fireworks Explosicn

Plant where we killed three people up in my District. And

I would appreciate a favorable vote .''

Hon. W; Robert Blair: uAny further discussion? The gentleman

from Lake, Mr. Matijevich-''

John S. Matijevich: ''Will the gentlemàn respond to one ques-

tion, please?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he willo ''

John S. Matijevich: ''AK.. Representative Moore. this soundslike good legislation, but think that we covered those

explosiops.s. think the people of Illinois cught to have

right to know how your Bills will improve the situation wit

regard to storage of fireworks or the manufacture of them.''

Don A. Moore: ''We1l, it takes the existing Law as it is now.

Ah.. there are prcvisions in the Bill ah. . whicb enable

local Law Enfcrcement Agencies, munieipalities and so fort .# :

to also engage in the inspection and supervision of this inaddition to the employees of the Department of Mines andMinerals.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Vermilion, Mr. Crai .''

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Robert Craig: ''None. these Bil1. . . l'd like to ask a questio

of the sponsor.n

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''He indicates he'll yield.''

Robert Craig: ''Don, does these here.Billq have anything to

do with the manufacturing or the storing of fireworks? Say

that I am a manufacturer or I store fireworks. Do Ehey per

tain to anylhiné of that nature?''

Don Moore: ''Yes.. the existing 'Fireworks Regulation Act'

covers the storage, transportation, and so forth. All we'r

doing is taking the present Act out of the enforeement pro-

visions of the Department of Law and Enforcement and puttin

it under the Department of Mines and Minerals. Thera are n

other-min other wordst the existing Law that is one the

books now, we are transferring from one Department tq the

other . ''

Robert Craig: ''I had a problem, but I think that I have

worked out with the Mines and Minerals. So, it's justtransferring it.' Alright.z Thank you.

''.M

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussicn? Doqs the gent e-

man care to closer'

Don A. Moore: ''I would just appreciate a favorable votq, Mr.Speaker.''

Hon. W. Robert: ''Alrighk.. The question isy'shall these two

Bills pass?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye', and the

opposed and the Clerk will take two roll calls. The

Clerk will take the reeord. On this question, there are. . .

On each of these Bills/ there is 13O 'Ayes' and no 'Nays .# #

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and each of these Bills having received the Constitutional

majority are hereby declared passed. 3742..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3742, a bill for ah aet toamend 'The Election Code'. Third reading of the Bill-

''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Ccok, Mr. Jaffe.''

Aaron Jaffe; ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, this is

voter registration Bill which is really quite simple and

really contains only one lvine. It says 'ihat no applicantshall not be required to answer questions or to complete

special forms which are not submitted to all applicants'.

This ah.. goes to voter registration. In other words, all

questions and forms have to be uniformed and I think that

this would now comply with Court Rulings and the opinion of

the Attorney General. This would prohibit harassment of

any group or individual. This Bill came about because 'of

the problems of certain College Students and the problem:that they were having of voter registration

. Ah.. I thinkthat this makes it unifox% for everyone and I reàlly don'tthink thvt anyone can really object to anything

, because ofthe fact that, what's good for one is good for a1l and

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there are no ah.. special forms or any speeial questions

that could be asked to any particular individual. And 1

ld request that he... . Ah-wfirm the vote' on this questio .''wou

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is, 'shall

House Bill.... The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Glass-''

Bradley M. Glass: nThank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the sponsor'

yield/''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wi11..'

Bradley M. Glass: ''Representative Jaffe, dces this apply to

' Township Elections?''

Aaron Jaffe: ''It applies to all Elections, especially Townshi

ElecLions.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Boone, Mr. Cunning-

ham.''

Lester Cunningham: ''Will the Sponsor yield, Mr. Speaker?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will.''

Lester Cunningham: ''Does this ah . . pertain to loyalty oathsa''

Aafon Jaffe: ''This has nothing to do with loyalty oaths. Al1

it has to do with is voters registraticn- ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gm tleman from Ccok, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Assuming that Mr. Jaffe will yield, as I know

he will', I'd just like to ask, would this also apply to the

challenging prccedures.ln other words, ah.. to get register d

ah.. eertain things must be accomplished, but then at thatxe

voters challenge, he would be called in and he would be

asked, I assume, questions that wouldn't apply ah. . to theordinary applscant for registration

. So, ah.. my question

is, 'what imylaet does your Bill have on challenging procedu eswhich of necessity must require different questions beingasked of different applicants?d- ''

Aaron Jaffe: ''It has no effect on challenging procedures. Ju t

upon the voter registration.n

Hon. W. Rober: Blair: ''The gentleman from McLean, Mr. Hall.''

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Harber H. Hal1: ''Well ah.. Mr. speaker, I'm rising to objectto the Bill. Simply because we have enacted legislation

that puts the responsibility for de'termining the el-tgibilit

of applicants in hands of County Clerks. It is their respo -

sibility and we want them to exercise it and we want all to

register... a1l to register who ard ah.. qualified to regis

ter. But by the same token, if we say that the County Cler

cannot ask any questions of one that he doesn't ask of all,

he is unable, therefore, to really determine if ah . . the

applicant meets all of the requirements. Ah. . I think that

this is ah.. obviously aimed at permitting any student

on a Ccllege Campus who actually is not a resident of that

City or town, ah.. to able to say that ah . . is his hozue of

residence even though, in fact, that it is not. And I don'

ah.. think that that's what we want to do . Ah.. think

that thebe are adequate provisions in our statutes for de-

termining the rightful ah.. place ah.. of all who ah . .

seek to rpgister and vote. And therefore, I object and I

solicit your 'no' votes in this case.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? Would the gent e-

man care to close? The gentleman frcm Dupage, Mr. Hudson,

have a question?''

George Hudson: nWculd the Sponsor yield for one nlcre question.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HYes.. he indicates he wil1.''

George Hudscn: ''Aaron. I1d like to clear me up on this point,

if you would please. supposing an applicant comes in or! prospecbive registrant and there some reason to believe

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that this particular individual is we11. . . maybe under the

influence of drngs or alcohol or whatever the case may be.

Now, just to ascertain, he could be asked. Could he not?

or could he not? Whether he was in complete eontrol of his

faculties and if he were asked such a question, then does

that mean that every other applicant has to be asked the

same question?''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Well.. it's always a pleasure to clear up any

point that you have. Ah.. the question is really whether

or not the answers are valid and what ccndition the individ

ual is in. You know.. really don't see what the problem

is with this ah.. particular Bill because it complies with

the Federal Court order cut of Danville and just makes all

things uniform.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further.... The gentleman from

Champafgn, Mr. Hirschfeld.''

Jobn C. Hirschfeld: ''We1l.. now, you have raised a question

in my mind, Representative Jaffe. Ah.. how does this Bill

differ from the agreed Bill ah . . Representative Dyer and

Representative Carroll and Representative Clabaugh and My-

self that we passed out of Ehis House, ah.. in the last

Session, which is still pending ih the senate. In okher

words, it had a list of questions which was uniform for the

County Clerks to follow and your Bill doesn't seem to say

any more than that except for that it would restrict the

questions . ''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Wel1, this is actually consistent with that

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particular Bill, because this Bill'does not include any

qualifications and does not establish any qualifications.

All that it says that the qualifieations must be unkform

and the questions must be uniform and the forms aust be uni

formed.''

John C. Hirschfeld: ''Well than, 1et me go one step fnrther,

Representative. Ah.. who is going to d'ecide what questions

are asked in each of the Counties?''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Well, either the statute that provided with the

the Bill that was agreed upon or if that Bklt doesn't

go through, the County Clerk . The only thing that says

is that ah.. that the questions that he does have, and the

forms that he does provide mu'st be uniform. That if you

ask one person a question: you must ask them all that ques-

tion.''

John C. Hirschfeld: ''Alright. . now Representative, let's take

Champaign Countyz fcr example, where there have been some

problems. If the County Clerk there asks a list of 55 ques-zve

kions to the potential registrant in an attempt to stophim from registering as he has apparently has do

ne thet A d we go down to someother small County say Polkpas . n

,

County where they only ask five questions of the registrantswould that be uniform under your BYl1?''

Aaron Jaffe: ''It would be uniform within the County. leave

it up to the County, unless the agreed Bill that you have

over in the Senate is passed. In khak event, the qualifica-

tions that you would have in that particular Bj.l1 would then

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be asked of everyone.''

John C. Hirschfeld:''ln other words, we can have in one County,'

tlae question will all be uniform, but there can be lo2 dif-

ferent uniform questions systems that are asked. Is that

what you're saying?''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Yeah... Well, I really think that we're getting

far a'field at this particular .point. We do have that Bill

- pending cver in the Senate ah.. and it would seem tc me tha

it would be up to the County Clerk under this Bill in the

event that ah.. the other Bills do not pass. think that

you would find a situation ah.. where ah.. you would have

paid for wbich would tend not to permit the County Clerk to

ask l15 questions of each. you know, of each person wanting

to register. in fact, it was harassment. Al1 this Bil

does is try to dc aseay with some harassment. Thut's a1l th't

it doesk''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevicl .''

John s. Matijevich: ''I'd like to speak of the Bill, Mr. Speak r.y--

Representative Jaffe, think that Representative

Hirschfeld has a point here. I'm going to vote for your

Bill because of the spirit and intent of with which you

have offered it at trying to get at a problem. But in your

explanation, you said that it is to prevent harassment. I

could foresee, although it would be very rercote, the pos-

sibility that someone could be ah.. that someone could har-

ass, not only just the young vcters, but they could uniform

to harass all of the voters whom might be tryin: to registe. .

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And I think that it is a problem that when you get over

the Senate, you ought to look at an Amendment to try to

make sure that it is truly good Bill and couldn't be used

for harassment of anybody whether it be the minority or

uniformly a1l of the registration applicants.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Mr. Palmer.''

Romie 'J. Palmer: ''Wi1l the Sponsor yield?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''What would ah.. would this Bill prohibit the

an inquiry directed as to derivation of citizenship for thos

perâons who are born in the foreign eouptries?''

Aaron Jaffe: ''NO.. that has nothing to do with it at all, Romi .''

Romie Palmer: ''Woukd the County Clèrk be prohibited from

asking questions insofar as the derivation cf citizenship?''

Aaron Jaffe: ''This doesn't prohibit the County Clerk from ask-

ing any questions. A1l it says is that the questions he

dops ask aust be uniform-''

Hon. Robert.Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Brenne-''

Lynn G. Brenne: ''Wi1l the Sponsor yield?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wi11.''

Lynn G. Brenne: ''AN.. I wonder if the Sponscr has considered

the fact that we spen't many years 'attempting to establish

uniform eligibility for Citizenship in the various states 1.n

the Union. And actually tolerating different questions, eve

though thay be uniform within each County will establish

.different qualifications for registration the different

parts of the State of Illinois. It seems to me that this is

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one of the more backward approaches to a problem . I can a-

gree that he has a problpm that he wculd like to resolve,

but I don't believe that this is the right ah .. medium to do

S O . ' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Lechowicz.'

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Mr. Speaker, I mcve to the previous

question.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l those in favor say 'aye' opposed

'no', the 'ayes' have it. The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Jaff ,

to close-''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, I really

can't understand, you know, the problem of this particular

Bill. All that it does is require uniform questions and

uniform forms to be provided by the County Clerk voter

registration. It doesn'f prohibit the County Clerk from .asking any particular question that he wants to as long ab

he asks everybody that particular question . Welre going to

try to do away with some cf 'the irregularities that haveve

happened. This Bill is really ah. . not that ah.., you know,

controversial, in my mipd. And I really don't think anybody

has to be afraid of it. A11 it calls for is uniformity in

voter registration. And I would think that we would be dere

lict in our duty, if we did not pass this Bill into Law- ''

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The'question is, 'shall House Bill 3742

pass?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye', and the opposed

'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk will take the

record. On this questien, there are.''. .. The gentleman frcm

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Cook , Mr . Ja f f e . ''

Aaron Jaf f e : ''Absentees , please . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: mThe gentleman from Madison, Mr. Calvo.'

Horace L. Calvo: ''Mr. Speaker, in the interest of saving some

time, maybe we could have a new roll call.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. . I noticed that there were a

number of hands that apparently ah. . didn't get to their' switches. Ah.. let's dump that roll call

. Alright.. the

question is, 'shall House Bill 3742 pass?'. A1l those in

favor will vote 'aye' and the cpposed 'no'. Have all vote ?#

The Clerk will take the record. The gentleman from Cook ,

Mr. Jaf f e . .'

Aaron Jaffe: ''Can we pull tbe absentees, Mr. Speaker?n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. . the gentleman has requested

they pull the absentees. The Clerk will do so.'' .

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Arrigo. . Blàdes.. Brandt .. Burditt..

capuzi.. Richard Carter. . Phil Collins.. Conolly. . Bill. Cunningham..' Epton.. EGel1. . Flinu.. Graham.. Granata .. .

Gene Hoffman.. Houde.. Janczak . . Jones.. Kahoun.. Karmazyn. .

Keller.. Mennedy.. Kleine. . Klozak.. Laurino.. Laute/bach. .

. ' . Lehman.. Ed Madigan.. McAvoy.. McDermctt.. MeDevitt. . McGah..

McMaster.. Meyer.. Kenne# Miller.. Peter Miller. . Moore..

Murphy.. Pappas.. Philip.. Rayson. . Xedmond.. Regner..Scariano.. Sevcik.. Shaw.. Simmons.. Springer.. Taylor..

Terzieh.. Jack Thompson.. R. Thompson...Wàdclell. . Wall..y. R. Wa sh.. Washburn.. Genoa Washington

. . Williams.. Yourell. .

Zlatnik.'. '

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe qentleman'from Cook, Jaffe-''

Aaron Jaffe: ''May I put this on consideration postponeda''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Alrigh . .

placed on postponed consideration. 4278..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4278, and Act to amend the

'Illinois Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon. W.. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman froM Rock Island, Mr.

Pappas.''

Peter Pappas: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,House Bill 4278 as amended amends the 'Illinois Vehicle

Codç' with respect to passenger car tires used on cars

manufactured after 1948. Defines such tires in terms of

safe operating conditions. éstablishes and effeets unifcnn

standards for such safety. This Act would go into effect

January of move for its' adoption .''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The gentlema)

from McLean, Mr. Ha1l.''

Hatber H. Ha1l: .''Would the Sponsor yield for a question?''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''He indicates he wi1l.''

Harber H. Hal1: ''Ah . . Pete, I had a Bill ah.. in respect to

ah the depth of tire tread. Is that' included in this Bill.''

Peter Pappas: ''Yes', it is Harber. It's 3/32nds on a used car

and 2/32nds on ah.. on a cwner caf..''

Harber H. Hall: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: 'lls there any further discussion? The

gentleman care to clogea' Xlrigllt.. the ah.. the questionis, 'shall this Bill passa'. A1l those favor will vote

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'aye' and the opposed 'no'. The Clerk will take the recor .#

The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there ar.

l2O 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and thig Bill having received'

the Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 44,8 .''

Predric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4484, a bill for an act to

amend an Act relating to the television of akhzetic contestw

of State-supported universities. Third reading cf the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Kane, Mr. Waddell.''

R. Bruce Waddell: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, thâs does jusE exactly what the Clerk said. Plu

the fact that is backed by the University of Illinois.

And I would appreciate a favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The quesqtion

is, 'shall House Bill 4484 pass?'. All those in favor will

vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who wishe ?

The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there ar

l2O lAyes', and no 'Nays', and khis Bill having received th

constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. For

what purpose does the gentleman from Kane, Mr. Schoeberlein,

rise?''

Allan L. Schoeberlein: ''Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen

.of the House, at this time, I would like to waive the pro-

visions of Rule 79, because of a certain paper that has

been received ah.. from an Association by all Members of

the Legislature. And after you waive this Rule. . . . And thi.

has met with the consent of both Parties, both sides of the

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman 'from Union, Mr. Choatev''

Clyde L. Choate: ''so that I might further explain, Mr. Speake ,

what the gentleman's request.is. It's a request to waivethe appropriate rules of this House for the purpcse of dis-

charging a Bill that is now in Colmnittee. Mr. Schoeberlein

is the Chairman of the Committee in which the Bill rests.

Mrs. Chapman, who will be on the floor .shortly, is the Chie

Sponsor of the Bill under question. And Mr. Speaker, if I

might. I would like to take just moment of the House's time

to read a portion of this communicaticn that has brcught

this action about. This is a circular which was distribute .

to the Membership by the I.F.T. Capitol News Roundup edited

by Oscar Weil. And the first' paragraph simply says that th

'I.E.A .L I would.assume he means the Illinois Education

Associatione 'has approached many Legislatures with offers

of money, staff assistance ànd other supports in turn for .

votes in favor of House Bill 362, é632, or Senate Bill 1112'.Now, if Mr. Weil was the qualified Lobbyist that he apparen ly

. .M '' thinks he is, he would have been aware that there is no way

for the Members of this House: at this stage of this legis-. lative session, to cast a vote for Hoùse Bill 3632

. Because

it still rests ih Compittee and the deadline has passed to

bring about this Bill to be permitted to be on the floor ofthis House other than the action that the Chairman of that

Committee is askinq to be given leave to take this morning.

I highly resent Mr. Weil's' ehargese as a Member of this'Legislature. I highly resent the fact that he has said

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that an honorable group of teaehers throughout this State

and their Representatives have been circulating amongst the

Members of this ùouse and offering money for something that

they might desire as far as legislative action is concerned.

He has not only impugned khe reputation and the record of

every Member this Legislature, but he has impugned the

integrity and the background and the standing in the local

communities of every Teacher of this State who is a Member

of the Illinois Educational Association. And these peoples

are charged with the responsibility of educating the youth

of this State and making them the type of citizens that we

are going to turn over the reims of Government to in the

foreseeable future. And I say to Mr. Weil, and I say this

publicly, that he should àvail himself of the Rules of this

Body and come to the appropriate committee whether it's the

Rules Committee or whether it''s the Judiciary Committee,

.whether it's the Educational Committee or the Executive

Colmittel an'd substantiate the charges that he has circula-

ted throughout this State. And I'm going to say thisy Mr.

Speaker, that if he does not do this and clarify this matte p

I don't never want him to appear as a Lobbyist of any Group

before any Colwnittee tha't I'm atkending because I am going

to challenge him. And I sustain the'request of the disting

uished gentleman.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Well of course. I associate myself with the#

remarks of the distinguished Minority Leader, but I would

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go just one step further. think Mr. Weil has a duty togo to the State 's Attorney of Sangamon County and present

to a Grand Jury the evidence he has of any offer made to

any Legislature of money to purchase his vote. And if he '

fails to do that, ah.. then he is less a citizen and less a

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Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentlçman from McHenry, Mr. Hanaha .''

Thomas J. Hanahan: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, 1,

in no way, will try to defend a letter'sent out over the

signature of another Member of the House of Labor. But,

because I'm against smog, doesn't mean that I'm going to' j

kick the world out of orbit. And, in no way, is the inten-

tion of the Minority Leader, I believe, in order to get

back at the truths of any statement of any Lobbyist,

don't believe he intends to say to this House or to me that

he want'to pass a Bill that is opposed by all of Labor, all

of the A.F.L. of C.I.O. and all of the International Brothe -

hood of Teamsters. Now, I could see the Minority Leader

asking for redress of any grievance, but I can't see him

trying to throw the baby out with the dirty water. The Bil

was a bad Bill. It has not .been heard in Committee, and 1,

for one, oppose any action of this.House or the granting of

any unanimous consent of this House to have a Bill discharg d

from Committee. A Bill of this nature, which has such grea

consequences of a11 the people of the State of Illinois. be

cause of the actions of one Lobbyist. I can't apologize fo

that Lobbyist. I know of no reason why he would write a

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, I can not go alongwith the wishes of my Minority Leader in asking for a Com-

mittee to be discharged for the action on the floor of this

House of a Bill cf this consequence. This is a bad Bill.

If Representative Eugenia Chapman wanted to hear the Bill,

she had plenty an ample time to have the Bill heard. We've

beqn waiting many many months. The Bill was introduced 1as

November. If she want to hear the Bill, let be posted.

I would attend the Hearing Committee. I'm a member of that

Committee. I have certainly had enough expertise in this

area to know what I'm speaking of. It is in no way going '

to be a slap in the face of any Lobbyist by discharging

Committee, because he happen: to oppose a Bill when the

rest of Labor opposes this Bill. Now, Eugenia Chapman

and the Minority Leader want to have a speeial hearing inCommittee on the Bil1, I think that should be granted . But,

just for a motion. to discharge, I think at this time,. is im'proper and 1, for one. object.''

xe 'Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Madison

: Mr. Kenned .uLeland J. Kennedy: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentl.-

men of the House, I believe it's best that ah. .maybe hear

from a Member of the Labor Law's Commission with reference

to Senate Bill 1112, and the Bill 'in question. I think it's

3632. We are, at this time, preparing Amendments to senake

Bill 1112. Wetve never heard the chapman Bill up to this ,

''

time. But, I believe that it would be unwise to ah. . to doj '

what the Minority Leader and Representative Schoeberleino u g e s.. t . Th e Labo r Law 1 s Comm i s s n' ton n' s a clfnlnm 5 sl s ion m ad 'g

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up of Legislatures and public members while we have no leg-

islative power, we can't force you to take a Bill. We hope'

to be able to make a recommendatioh to you before you adjou n,

whether it be June the 2nd or June the 9th. We are working

on it. We're reading everything. We met last Saturday.

We made some progress and I'm not quite sure that I will be

able to support... I'm sure that I will not be able to sup-

port Allan Schoeberlein's motion .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Schlick-

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen o

the House, as I understand House Bill 3632 was referred

to the Committee on Industry and Labore that the Bill 'wa's

never called for hearing by the Sponsor. It was never post d.

No notice was given. We now have a situation where an op-

ponent of that Bill has engaged in a little overkill. It

would seem to me that there is no direct relationship, no

propriety ah..'in the kind of response that is being sugges edxe

today. I would suggest. Mr. Speaker and Ladi es and Gentle-

men of the House, that by discharging the Committee and

bringing this Bill out ontovthe floor and putting it on the

Calendar, is an act of recrimination . And I should like to

suggest that it would be below the dignity of this Body .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevic .''John S. Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

agree with 10th Representative schlickman and Hanahan and

Kennedy. I detest what I ah.. read in this Newsletter. I

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think that it is about time that we try to get issues

like that I'm sure are purely rumor . Maybe we ought to hav. a Committee of a whole and have ahu

. Oscar Weil before us.

and find cut he can come up with any evidénce to sub-

stantiate what he says in this Newsletter. Ah.. think

that the integrity of the House is at stake. Let's get at

that issue. But, let's separate it from the Bill itself,

because if we do Yt according to that process. really whatwe're telling people is that they can came up with the rumo

. that there have been payoffs. In that way, other Bills ean

come riqht on the floor of the House, whether they have merit

cr not. And I'm not really. speaking to this Bill. But,

that can happen in other legislation. People will pehms br

defeat Bills strietly by rumo'rs and I think that can be adangerous practice. Therefore, I vote against the motion

of Representative Sehoeberlein .''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Will, Mr. Hculihane'

John J. Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker, a point of order. Is ah . .xe

Who controls this Bill? Are either of the Sponsors on thefloor? Either of the Co-sponsors on the floor? R

epresentative Chapman and Scariano Mr. speakere''#

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Scariano is not here, I don't think,

and Chapman is not here. But ah.. rule provides that a Mem

ber may move that a committee may be discharged from con-

sideration of any Bill or Resolution.''

John J. I'Ioulihan: ''Any membar?''

Hon.'W. Robert Blair: ''Yeah. . says a Meneer. It doesn't

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96.say that it has to be a Sponsor. èhe gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Burditt.''

George M. Burditt: ''Mr. Speakek and Ladies and Gentlemen

the House. cèrtainly we are all very upset by this Articleand it is aomething that we should take drastic action to

correct. Ah.. bothers me that we are following this

partieular procedure, a little bit, bedause I'm not surethat that will accomplish what we want to accomplish whichis to find precisely what this gentleman had in mind whenhe made these statements. wonder. Mr. Speaker and Ladies

and rentlemen of the House, if it wouldn't be ah . . at leastas good of a procedure for us to serve this gentleman with

. a subpoena and to request the Sub-committee, the DxecutiveCommittee cr the dh.. Executive Committee itself, to con-sider this gentleman's statements

. Get him in here andlet's hear precisely what he has to say and exactly what

he's talking about when he made these statements. If that'Ehe sentiment of the House that we should follow that pro-

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cedure which seems to me to get at the problem. I'd be prepared to move, Mr. Speaker, that a subpoena be issued for

this gentleman and would be referred to the Executive Com-mittee for further consideration

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Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, in taking ah . . little more ah.. at leng th on thi

subject, I think would be appropriate ah. . possibly for

the Illinois Legislative Investigation Commission whieh is

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made up of Legislatures and does have statute the subpoena

power rather than to get into a probiem as to whether or

not the Executive Committee does have that power. I believ

it does. But, we have other businqss before us. A 1ot of

business. AIA.. this issue has been raised. think that i

we could have a Resolution drafted this afternoon or'today

mandating the Leéislative Investigating Commission to issue

a subpoena for ah.. Mr. Weil and his records and ah.. have

him come in and testify under oath and have a public hearin

ah.. this issue would be resolved properly and ah.. in

public in the light of day, and yet we wouldn't be side-

tracked from our very pressing business here. And ah . . the

matter could be resolved that way. I think that that was

what the Legislative Investigating Commission was set up to

do and information may ddvelop requiring other subpoenas. '

They have investigators. They're.' trained. And that would be

my suggesticn if the House would agree.''

Hon. W. Robsrt Blair: ''Alright.. the gentleman from Kane,Mr. Schceberlein.''

Allan Schoeberlein: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, if I may . I believ

that I've accomplished what I've set out to do is to protec

l75 Members of this House, Key Personnel and others. Any-

one can circulate things like this through the mail or othe -

wise. I don't know if this went through the mail or not.

But, you people are as interested in this as well as I am

and I believe that we are doing thc right thing in what has

been suggested . And therefore : Mr. Speaker, a U this time ,

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withdraw my ah..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: OAlright.. the gentleman from Kane ah. .

has asked to take out of the reccrd his ah . . motion to

take that Bill from the Committee. So, we'll give him

leave to do that. Now, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, pursuant to Rule 39, I move that this House do now

resolve itself ihto a Committee of the Whole to investigate

the allegations made in print by Oscar Weil that money was

offered to Members of tiis House For their vote. Mr. Weil

is in the Gallery right now . We don't need a subpoena. We

invite him down. Once we have resolved ourselves on my ma-

tion to take the podium and tell this House exactly what he

knows that can substantiate his charges. I so move.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: l'Alright. . ah. Al1 those in favor of

the Member'smotion to ah. . that we resolve ourselves into'

a Committee as a Whole say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes'#

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have it and we are now resolved into a Committee of thexM

Whole. Now: pursuant to the Rules, I ah.. apoint Mr. Hyde

as the ah.. presiding ah.. as the Chairman ah . . to preside

over the Committee of the Whole in confofmance with Rule

38B which provides that a Member qther than the Speaker

shall preside on the Committee of the Whole. Will the Door

keeper escort Mr- Weil I understand he's a outside .ihthe Rotunda.''

Henry Hyde: i'The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Arrigo.''

Victor A . Arrigo : ''Mr . Cllairman , there a re many of us in this

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Body that are Lawy e'rs and I feel that the scent of the bloo -

hounds has carried us away and certainly Mr. Weil is entitl d' to counsel and I think, in a11 due fairness to Mr. Weil, he

should have a right to counsel-''

Henry J. Hyde: agree with you, Sir. And, if he asks for

that right, he shall have And, if he wants me to appoi t

counsel, I will appoint you, Mr. Arrigo, knowing that you

are an excellent Lawyer.''

Victor A. Arrigo: ''I wasn't asking to bè appointed Counsel.

But, I think that in al1 due fairness, Mr. Weil should not

be subjected to what I consider a Star Chamber Proceeding.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Thank you. Mr. Washington, the gentleman fro

COok.''

Harold Washington: ''Members of the House, I subscribe to ever -

thing that Representative Arrigo has said. I voted for the

motion of the Committee of the Whole because I think this

Body has the right to put itself into whatever form it want .

We now come to the procedural question. Not cnly is he en-

titled to counsel but, in all fairness, Mr. Weil is entitle

to ample notice. I don't think that if we bring him before

this Body and subject him to any question at all, we areproviding that notice. think that we want to qet to the

heart of this thing. But, think, in doing so, we want

to put ouselves above criticism. We're dealing with the

very core, the very basis of due process here. so, in our

zeal.. in our righteous and manifesb zeal to get to the

heart of this, let's not defy or defame or defoul in any way

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that cherished right of due process. So, I would suggest

that Mr. Weil be given notice to return on another day-n

Henry Hyde: ''The gentlemen from Cook, Mr. Collins-''

Otis G. Collins:. ''Ah.. Mr. Chairman, while I may share the

gentleman's concern for the ah.. right to counsel or the

rights of Mr. Weil, I think that we merely have resolved

ourselves into this committee to ask him what he meant by

his allegations and if he is alleged that money has been

passed. To whom and by whom? I don't think that this is

such a big thing that he couldn't answer those questions.

And if he feels that he shculd have counsel, I think that

he can come in and state that to us and then you cculd him

ample time. Furthermore, Jon't see whethef he has accept d

our invitakion as.of yet. would suggest, Mr. Chairman,

that perhaps we may have to issue a subpoena after. a11.'''

Henry J. Hydep OAh.. the Chair would just comment that this i.

not a criminal or even ah.. an accusatory proceeding. This'is an information seeking proceeding. And the gentleman ha

A 'been invited. He has not been compelled to appear. Andi

!ah.. so the questions about him having counsel ah. . and

that sort of thing, it seems to me ar'e somewhat irrelevank

to the purposes 'of this inquiry. .l<owever, ah.. the gentle-

man has not seen fit to respond tu our invitation. We'l1

wait a few more moments. But, meanwhile, the gentleman

from Mcl'lenry, Mr. Hanahan.''

Thomas J. Hanahan: ''Mr. Chairman: as long as were resolved to

tbe Committee of the Whole, I would like to, at this time,

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also to invite the Illinois Education Members, their paid

Lobbyists, their financial records and copies of their ex-

penditures in the past primary campaign to many sitting

Members of the General Assembly, according their published

report that I have a xeroxed copy of, along with the A.F.T ,

tha Lobbyists for the American Federation of Teachers and

their financial records in the area of contributions. I

say to you, Mr. Chairman, in all fairness, that if you want

to resolve this question, then it's a question of ethics

and it is question of ethics of Members of this floor. Let's

get to the heart of it. But at the same time, let's be ver

fair and bring the records of the I.E.A. and the A.F.T. to

the podium either by subpcena or by request as Qe have done

with American Federation of Teachers Lobbyist... ah... got

ah.. Oscar Weil.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''In response tc that the Chair would simply

' comment that I know of no publicized charges by the I.E.A.zA '

or any other ah.. Labor or other Organizations that money

has been offered as a vote. I see Mr. Weil is in the Cham-

ber and he ah.. he was bereby formally invited to ah.. come

up here and ah.. to ;h.. be put under oath, if he so desire

and to tell this Ccmmittee of the Whole ah.. the substance

and the specifics of his printed charge that the I.E.A. has

approached many legislators. with offers of money. The

gentleman from Cook, Mr. 'Carter-''

Richard A. Carter: ''AK.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentleme

of the House 4 agree wholeheartedly with everything that

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has been said. But I think that the chair should )3a mind-

ful, 'and sure that it has advisors that are capable of,

recent Supreme Court decisions that have to go with the

privacy of the Press and I speak specifically of what occur ed

in Boston. Now, we don't know how far this man's immunity

can go. As to his sources or anything else. So, before

we proceed, think that we should be in the position to at

least be advised on the Constitutionality of what we're

doing. Now, by that, I don't mean'the Illinois Constitutio .

I mean the interpretation of the Federal Constitution.''

Henry J. Hyde) ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Washington.''

Harold H. Washington: ''Ah . . Mr. Chairman and Members of the

Housel I want to reiterate what I said before . agreed

with putting this Body into a Committee of the ïvhole. But,

I think that the only thing that this Bcdy should .address

itself tô at this point', the only thing. is what procedures

we should take to investigate this matter. If we arrive

at the çpnclusion that we should subpoena or invite Mr. Wei

and records and that sort of thing, we should doqso. I do

not think that we should bring Mr. Weil before this Body

today. It would be unfair on his'face. I think that it

would even be unfair to invite him. If you invite him, youput him in a dilemma. 1 don't what he'd say if he got here .

He may want to say it. He may want time. If you force him

today to.answer 'yes' or 'no' you're not being fair to him .ë

.Now true that this is not a criminal matter. but you don't

def ine tlze queskion of ' due process which ultimately 5.s f air

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play simply to criminal matters. We could define and I

would think or use those concept in everyday life. Certain y

' a Legislative Bocly... a LegislatiVe Body which sets up pro-

cedures for criminal matters in this State or any other

matters, administrative review to adhere to those basic

principles. Reflection... Notice... etco, and so on. So#I protest, Mr. Chairman, if we call Mr. Weil here and I

think we should address curselves only to the procedures we

should take in terms of investigating the allegations he'

has made.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''The gentleman from Will the Speaker of the '

House, the Honorable W. Robert Blair.n

b t Blair: ''AK.. Mr. Chairman al1 fairrz/ss'b6Hon. W. Ro er ,

Mr. Weil, think that in his own behalf that he probably

should not, even though he voluntarily might want to do so#

that hc should not appear before the Committee of the Whole

without discussing this matter with counsel. so, for that

reason, I would move that the Committee of the Whole recess..A

until the hour of 1:00 P.M. next Monday, May the 12th.. or

the l5th.n

Henry J. Hyde: ''Alright.. the' motion has been made ah. . that

the CoMnittee of the Whole adjourn as the Committee of the

Whole ti1 1:00 P.M. next Monday, May 15th. Ah . . all those

in favor of the motion say 'aye' opposed 'nay' and the# #

motion carries and the Committee of the Whole ah. . will re-

sume ah.. at 1:00 P.M., on Monday, May 15th. Ah.. the gent e-

man f rom Cook Mr . Mann . ''#

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Robert E. Mann: ''Mr. Chairman, the S/eaker of this House has

just done an exemplary thing. I think it teflects very wel

on every Membar of this Housê and I applaud him for what he

has done.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. wedre back into Session now .

4261. House Bills on Third Reading .''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4261, a bi'll for an act to

amend 'The School Code. Third reading of the Bil1.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Dupage, Mr. Hoffman ''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, during the last Session of the General Assembly, we

passed legislation which provided for the use of a cent

l hich we passed a numbe/ of years ago be used issuedevy wBonds to pursue 'Life Safety Code' worked. After the legis

lation was passed and signed by the Governor, Chapman and

Cutler came to the conclusion that we had neglected to pro-

vide prccedures for the abatement of the tax levy in .propor'tion to the amount of the bond levy, so that the bond levyvA '

and the tax levy together which was the intent as well as

any interest on the bonds would not exceed the cent levy .

House Bill 4261 which is a product of the work of the schoc

Problems Commission in conjunction with Chapman and Cutler

provides that the. actually proéidçs the abatement pro-

cedure which would be followed. And I ask your support.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from Lake, Represenuat've

Matijevich.''kTohn S. Metijevich: ''Will the gentleman respond to a question.

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Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''He indicates he u'ill.'.

John s..Matijevich: ''Has the I.E.A. taken a position on this?'Gene 'L. Hoffman: ''Not to the best of my knowledge.

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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The

question is, 'shall House Bill 4261 pass?'. All those

favor signify by voting 'ayç', the opposed by voting 'nc'.

Have a11 voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, there are 97 'Ayes',' 1 'No', and this Bill having

reeeived the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 2443.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 2443, a bill for an act to

create the Illincis wholesomeness, milk and dairy produets

Act. Third reading of the Bill.''


tive Burditt-''

George M. Burditt: ''Mr. S/eaker and Ladies and Gentlemen ofthe House: this a Bill that mcdernizes the Illinois Dair

Law. It's been reviewed carefully, helped in the drafting,and all considerations by Producrr Organizations and by

Marketing Organizations. The Bill in general defines

dairy terms, provides for distribution methods, has a pre-

emption clause, a reciprocity elause. To the best of my

knowledge, there is no cpposition to this Bill. came

through the Committee with 11 favorable vctes. And I would

appreciate your support of the Bil1.''


tion is, 'shall House Bill 2443 passè'. Al1 those in favor

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will signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'.

Have a1l voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, there are 95 'Ayes', and 'Nays', and this Bill hav-

ing received the Constitutional mqjority is hereby declared


Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4547, a bill for an act' to

amend 'The Election Code'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The' gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Juckett.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, House Bill 4547 is in regard to the registration

of vcters. It has the approval of the City, Municipal and

Township Clerks as well as t'hat of the Clerk of Cook Ccunty

And it would provide fcr a coniinuous registration of a1l

voters up to the time of'45 days prior to an election held

by the County Clerk . The City Clerks in the City Electioh

could register up until 28 days as could the Township peopl .

As of now, the City and Municipal Clerks are opening and

closing and opening and closing ênd it results in great

confusion. And I would urge your support of this Bi11.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: HIs there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4547 passa' A1l those in favor

signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'.

Have a11 voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, thçre are l11'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill

having received the Constitutional majority is hereby de-

clared passed. House Bill 4150.''

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Fredric B-'selcke: ''House Bill 4150, bill for an Act to

amend 'The Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bi11.''

' Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleïéan from Winnebago, Repre-

North.''

Frank P. North.: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, under the present Illinois Law, the discharge and

bankruptcy which includes the .discharge as to judgement forthe accident involving a vehicle does not relieve the Drive

of requirement tc make filing futur'e proof under The

' Illinois safe Responsibility Act. The United States Suprem

Court made errors on occasion involving statute identical

to the Illinois Statute ruled that the discharge was effec-

tive and that the State Law was unconetitutional. Sedrétar

of States' Office ah.. has reconnended that House Bill 4150

ah.. be adopted to place in conformity to the supreme Court

decision. I appreciate your support.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The Gentle

man from Cook, Representative Berman-''

Arthur L. Berman: nWould the Sponsor yield? Pat ah . .#

at the present time before the passage of this Bill, if a

person collided with my automobile and injures me and does

not have insurance, he could declare bank ruptcy. I would

get no money, but he still would not be able to drive,

his license had been suspended under the Financial Responsi

bility Law. Is that correcta''

Frank P. North: ''Yes.. under the present system.''

Art/ur L. Berman: ''And what this Bill would do is to say that

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108.because he went ba nkrupt and he still did not eomply with

the Financial Responsibility Law, by going bankrupt, he aga'n

is entitled to drive on the Highways of this State. Is tha

what the Law will do?e

Frank P. North: ''AN.. Mr. Speaker, I can't hear the qentleman. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''Wou*t8 you please repeat that, Mr.

Berman.'t

Arthur L. Berman: ''If I understand the Law, that's why IIm

asking the question. I want to make sure I do. If this

Bill passes, and somebody erashes into my car and injuresa mémber cf my family and they don't have insuranee and

their license is suspended and I sue them and get a judge-

ment against them for the damages and for the injuries ifthey declare bankruptcy, only will they be relieved of

the judgement obligation: they would also be reinstated to

their license. Is that what this Bill would doa''

Frank P. North: ''Yese that's correct. ''

Arthur L. Berman: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, if I may address myself

to the Bi1l.n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Proceed, Si.r.''

Arthur L. Berman: ''Over the past couple of Sessions, I thinkthat we have seen a prog,ressive eroding of the very strictenforcement of the Financial Responskbility Law

. I thinkthat there is a purpose behind bankruptcy laws. And I thinkalso, however, that there a purpose behind Financial.Responsibility Laws. I don't think that a person who availshimself the riqht to discharge and obligation in the bank-

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ruptcy law should automatically be reinstated his full driv

ing p'rivileges when 1Re h.as f a iled to prove f inancial. respon

sibility when under the present law, he has found to be at

fault in the accident. Because under the present law, his

license can not be taken away unless he has been found afte

a hearing to be at fault in this accident. And I think tha

this is a terrible step backwards, Ladies and Gentlemen. I

think that unless a person makes restitution to the people

that he has injured as result cf driving his automobile

when he has failed to be financially responsible, when he

has failed to have proper insurance . I don't think that

just by going into bankruptcy court, that we ought to pass

a law that says that he shotlld be allowed to go behind the

wheel of an automobile withbut again proving his finaneial

responsibility. think that this is a verv bad Bill and

I urge a 'nc' vote.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcsev; ''Is there further discussion? The

gentleman frcm Cook, Represèntative Palmer.''

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Romie J. Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemep of the

House, I concur with what Representative Berman has said an

I would add one further thing. That more than likely, this

will encourage the filing of bankruptcies. Ah.. when a ban

ruptcy ks filed of eourse the person is marked clean some-

what in the Federal Dist'rict Court. But there are many

things that occur after that time which makes a bankruptcy

itsexf, unless it's an absolute necessity, ah.. it makes

tlAe bankruptcy itself a bad thing . i ah . . think tllat it ' s

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a bad Bill. I don't think we slnould go with it.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Iy there furthur discussion? If not,

the gentleman from Winnebago, Representative North is recog

nized to close the debate-''

Frank P. North: ''Well Mr. Speaker, as far as the procedure

now in light of the Supreme Court case, in an Arizona Case,

the Office of th8 secretary of State, I am informed, has

administratively adcpted this. And House Bill 4150 will

merely put confirmation of the Law according to the Supreme

Court decision. So, ah.. I am informed administratively,

they have already gone along this course. Now, it's un-

fortunate that ah.. the Supreme Court ah. . Case, an identi-

ca1 statute to the one that we have in Xllinois, was render d

in this decision. Therefore, âh.. this Bill does nothing

more than confirm the Su/reme Court decision.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Tie question is, 'shall House Bill'

4150 pass?'. A11 those in favor will signify by voting 'ay %

the oppcsed by voting 'no'.' Have a11 voted who wished . Ta e

the record. On this question, the 'Ayes' are 11 the 'Nays'. #

are 46. And this Bill having failed to receive the consti-

tutional majority is hereby declared lost. Po1.l the absen-

tees? Representative Hunsicker, for what purpose do you

rise, Sir?''

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I'd like to introduce about High School Stude ts

and their teacher from Livingston County . Their just leavi gfrom up in the back balcony-''

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Rep. Arthnr A. Telcser: ''House Bill 4553.':

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4553...

. Ftep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Ho1d it... Take that out of the

record. It's House Bill 4533.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4533, a bill for an act to amend th

Revenue Act. Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlerqan from Christian, Repre-

sentative Tipsword.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen,

this is Bill that is only ah .. an'informational iteme and t e

abstract of the assessment that is furnished to the Depart-

ment by each of the County Clerks annually . This would pro

vide that hereafter that they would indicate how much. of

assesments of real estate o: for different kinds of real

estate such as single family dwellings and multiple dwellin s

or agrkcultural property and how mueh of the assessment is

for the personal property as for property of household use

or agricultural use. This not classification of prope ty

for the purpcses of taxation. our constitution prohibits

that. This is merely an informational matter so as we pro-

ceed in refonuing the taxes kn this State' and as there is

new demands on us in different arqas of revenue, that there

would be infornation available the Departrtlent and to the

General Assembly to know what properties are contributing

tc the income of Ehe State of Illinois and the Revenues of

the State of Illinois so that we know the areas in which

there should be ah.. some changes for equality or areas in

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which some parts are not producing their just propor.t'ion

cr are over-producing. And this is merely an informational

matter for the Department and the General Assembly.f'


tion is, 'shall House Bill 4533 pass?'. All those favor

signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'.

Havç al1 voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, there are 12l 'Ayes' and l 'No'. Record Representa-#

tive Houlihan as voting 'aye' instead of 'no'. And this

Bill having received the constitutional majority if hereby

declared passed. House Bill 4428. '1

Jack O'Brien: ''House' Bill 4428, a bill for an act to amend

'The Vehicle Code'. Third reading PE the Bi1l. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cock, iepresenta-tive Duff.''

Brian B. Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, House Bill 4428 is responsive'to

the wishes of many people in Illinois. Ah.. it has the pur

pose of putting a photograph on the Drivers License in Illi.A.' '

nois. It has been editorialized on by b0th Radio and Press

as a Bill who's time has come. The cost of this would be,

cver a three year period, cents foY each, approximately

35 cents for each one It would be phased out over a threeC

year period on renewal. Ah.. some. of the value that is in-

volved in it, would be for example, ah.. the faet that the

Drivers License has become many things our society. It

is used for identificaticn' in cashing ciecks. Or in the

case of ycung people, of*en times in proving age and identi

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fication when buying liquor. The license is important

the Police in identifying and apprehending suspects. If th.

llcense is stolen or lost in Illinois, it can and has been

used for forgery cr fraud. We believe that these hazards

could be greatly reduced if the picture of the Driver were

embossed on the license as it is done in twenty-two 'other

States- The both candidates from both parties for the

Secretary of State this year are ah . . approving of the idea

of having the pictures on the Drivers License. The present

Secretary of States thinks that's an idea that will acccm-

plish. We have amended this Bill in accordance with some

i i ' I would appreêiate the favorable ccn-of h s suggest ons.

sideration of this Body.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: nThe gentleman from McLean, Represent -

tive Bratlley . ''

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Mr. Spéaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, wonder if the gentleman would yield for one questi n?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he wi1l.''

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Representative Duff, I think that it is

a good piece of legislation ând I intend to vote for

But, I notices that you asked that the picacures be taken in

color and with the extensive use of wigs by the women, would

they be required to have more than one picture takenan

Brian Duff: ''No, they wouldn't.''

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Thank youp''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: uIs there furéher discussion? Does

the gentleman wish to close the debaEe? The question is,

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'shall House Bill 4428 pass?'. A11 those in favor signify

by voting 'ayc' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have al1 vote#

whc wished? Take the record. On this question, there are

118 'Ayes', and 1 'Nay', and this Bill having received the

constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. House

Bill 4.327..'

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4327, a bill for an act to amend

Sections of an Act revising a 1aw in relation to private

employment agencies. Third reading of the Bill-''


tive Glass.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentle

men, House Bill 4327 applies to ah.. domestic servieê ohly.

This is a Bill that is similar to one that ah.. we heard

last spring that was ah.. held in Committee and it needed

some tèchnical changes which have now been made. In essenc

to the problem, the Bill seeks to combat where a domestic

person is plac' ed in employment and is required to pay a fee

to the employment agency based on a percentage ah.. of the

sàlary of the employee. I know of a specific instance whic

brought about this Bill. Where a domestic employee, as a

matter of fact, a housekeeper paid a... was required to pay

a fee to the employment agency of 5 percent of her salary

and that has now gone on for four and one half years. So,

therefcre, the Bill would correct that by limiting the time

in which a fee cculd be 'computed to one year. Inothe/words,

i t; would pem it f ee to be clAarged based only on the f irst

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year's salary. It does apply, as mentioned earlier. to

pmrsons in domestic service which means household work' the home of thé employer including' working as a maid, cdok,

butler, gardnerv chauffeur, housekeeper or babysitter. It

went through Committee without opposition and I urqe a favo -

able role cal1.''

Rep- Arthur A. Telcser: ''The geptleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Shea-n

Gerald Shea: ''Brad, what I.m afraid ôf it's going to look

like it's the intent of this General Assembly that an Emplo -

ment Agency should charge 5 percent of the first year's

salary. And whether the person works one week, one m024th

or six months, you're going to saye 'lock the fee for this

job is and you've got to pay it the first day that you go

to work and get a judgement note for it'. And it also migh

look that this General Assembly is setting schedules f r

Employment Agencies. I could just see it now, some poor ma

or woman getting this type of occupations, having somebodyA

say now look, the General Assembly said that 'ge get 5 peree t

of a year's salary.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''We1l in response to that Jerry. As origi -ê

ally drafted, this Bill did have .a 5 percent figure in it.

However, that has been removed and the Bill now merely states

that the fee charged shall be a single fee for each place-

ment and shall be based upon an applicant's compensaticn or

salary for a period not .to exceed one year. so, the purpose

of the Bill, and I believe the effect, is to place this

; > ''% A p'. 4 f &...i;t2? .r.-. r. c E x p: 11 A L, A s s E M 1$ k, y.. : -:. . . .j â:' j V . ' , ; ) x '; ; s v a v. c o g j u u j s o l s?. i! : ï t:. t';'k u' . . 'uousc os r.csarussolvavsve:st

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limitation on the fee in order to prevent ah. . exorbil.tant

fees from being charged as specifically was in a the case

that was referred to me. And before this matter came to my

attention, legal opinions have been solicited as to whethe

this was presently legal. It was believed by the Counsel

and consulted that there was no law presently that would pr -

hibit this type of fee.ln other 'words, the continuing fee,

so, the effeèt of this Bill not to set any ah.. rates or

ah.. percentagés, whatsoever, but merely limits the period

over which such a fee could be charged to ah.. prohibit ah... %

the eontinuing ah.. fee from being possible.''


tive Wolf-''

Jacob Wolf: ''Mr. Speaker, to help shed a little more light

on there, the 1aw currently requires employment agencies

tc file their scheduled fees kith the Department cf Labor.

So, I don't think that there is any intent on the par't of

the Sponsor' to set or limit the fees. All that the law say

is that they have a particular fee for the particular type

of job and must be uniform and filed with the Department

of Labor. I think that this is a needed Bill and I would

hope that the Meneers would support it.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''The gentleman' from Cook Representa-#

tive Ilarold Washington-''

Harold Washington: ''Will the sponsor yield'for a questionr'

Re#. Arthur A. Telcser: '''He indicated he wi11.''

Harold Washington: ''Well, Representative Glass, I think that

. q. . -g * f : 1 y.sN y;. $ ) t ' *-o '-' G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yi txy ' .'

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Representative Shea lzas brought up a very good point . Nolv',

does the Department of Labor at present to determine whethe

a fee is extensive or not. Or if they don't have that powe ,

does your Bill give it to theman

Bradley M. Glass: don't whether the Department has that

power, Harold. The Bill doesn't give them any new power.

It merely requires that whatever the fee is charged for

placing an applicant into domestic service, shall be a sing e

fee for each placement and based on the applicant's compen-

sation for a period not to exceed one year. It doesn't qet

into specifics. In fact, I think that was ah.. some cf khe

opposition to it when I introduced a similar Bill last year.

I'va tried to correct that problem and I think ah.. what 1'

trying to do here is to prohibit the situation that apparen ly

can exist, and ab least one specific case that I know of,

did exist where this Housekeeper was paying and may still b

paying ah.. 5 percent of her salary out of each check and

that's gone on for four and a half years ah.. and ah.. and

the persons paid over $2,000 dollars. So. I hope we caneliminate that from being possible. And I don't think ah..

by this Bill, we are setting any rates. And Representative

Wolf said, 'whatever rates are involved would have to be

filed with the Department'.n

Harold Washington: ''I'm certainly in sympathy with what you'r

trying to do, Representative Glass. Bpt, I understand khat

' the Department does Save the power, at least somecne over

here said so. And if that is true, have no problem with

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this Bil1.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: t'Is there further discussion? The

gentleman from Cook, Representative Glass, to close the

debate-''

Bradley M. Glass: ''We11# in brief, to eliminate some cf Repre

sentative Washington's fears, I would just say that ah..

that there was a representative from the Department present

at the hearing and it camë out of the Committee unanimously

and I don't believe ah.. that we'd get into any problems in

tiat regard. I specifically stayed away from any rate set-

ting requirements. I think is a needed Bill and I urge

your support.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nThe question is, 'shall House Bill

4327 pass?'. Al1 those in favör signify by voting 'aye',

and the opposed by votin? 'no'. Have a11 voted who wished?

Take the record. On this question, there are lO1 'Ayes','

and no 'Nays', and this Bill having received the constitut''on-

al majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4551.'.

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4551, a bill for an act to amend

'The School Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: 'lThe gentleman from Cook , Representa-

tive Sheae''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the' House, this Bill was completely arcended on Second Reading

.

It provides fcr a methcd whereby the Chicago Board of Educa-

tion can change its fiscal year. Xh.. the next fiscal yea

will be an eight 1n0)4th. fiscal year ahd then after that, sta -

' g. i n S-ep-tcambcar o.f ' 73 . the Boa rd wn'. l 1 ln a Nzt:A 'lcwto sl i x mran.t:h&) a, t'z''l't : -;-?-,*r;'L G E N E R A L A S S E 51 13 L Y

f i k'4 ' ' I .) kz h a. wv c . o ,, , uuI ,, ca js- I $. . (, . s$, - 1.3'.,-:,3 ' - . lxousc os 'zcpfeesueqxxvdvl:sNx stf s.&*

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budgeté in each fiscal year. I ask for favorable support o;

the House-'''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there ahy discussicn? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4551 pass?'. A11 those...

sorry. The gentleman from Cook, Representative Brenne.''

Lynn G. Brenne: ''Ah.. may I ask a question of the Sponsor?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he'll yield.''

Lynn G. Brenne: ''Does this mean khat there would be two separ

ate tax bills along with these two separate levies? Or

would there continue be a single tax billa.'

Gerald W. Shea: ''It would not change the way that the tax

bills went out at all. It would be just one levy per year.'

Lynn G. Brenne; ''One tax bill but two levies?''

Gerald W. Shea: nYea1R.. mean that's... you're right. Two

levies. One Bi1l.''

Lynne G. Brenne: ''Thank you.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The question is, 'shall House Bill

4551 pass?'. All those in favor signify by voting 'aye',A

the opposed by voting 'no'. Have a1l voted who wished? Ta e

the record. On this question, there are l18 'Ayes' and

'Nay', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having reeeived the

Constitutional majority is hereby. declared passed. House

Bill 3793.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 3793, a bill for an act to amend th

'Illinois Public Aid Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''


tive sllea . ''

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Gerald W. shea: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hou e,.

' bl'this would pennit direet paynlenLs by the Department of Pu c

Aid to supplier of serviees rather than payment to the Cook

County Department of Public Aid and then payment to the

suppliers and vendors. It was amended on Second Reading

meet any objections of Director Weaver and the Depart-

ment. As far as I know, one cf the staff on the Republican

side checked .with the Director this morning, the Bill is

now in the shape that's acceptable to the Department . And

I would move for passage of House Bill 3793.''

Rep- Arthur A. Telcser: ''Okay, is there any discussion? The

question is, 'shall House Bill 3793 pass?'. those in

favor signify by voting 'aye', the öpposed by voting 'no'.Have a11 voted who' wished? Take the record

. On this ques-

tion. there are 12O 'Ayes', 'Naysf, and this Bill having

received tSe Constitutional majority is hereby declared


Jack O'Brien: nHouse Bill 4541, a bill for an act to amendZ '

the 'Pension Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from Winnebagoy qRepre-

sentative North-''

Frank P. North: ''Mr. Spèaknr, Ladies' and Gentlemen of the House,

House Bill 4541 amend the 'Illinois pension Code' with re-

lating to Firemen's Pension Fund in munieipalities under

500,000. What this does is provide a minimum widow's pensi n.of $150.00 dollars a month regardless of when the fire

fighter died prior to the enactment of this Amendment. This

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patterned after the Chicago Firemen's Pension which prcvide

a minimum of $150.00 dollars. I know of no opposition to

this, Mr. Speakeret'


tion is, 'shall House Bill 4541 pass?'. A1l those in fakor

signify by voting 'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have#

a1l voted who wished? Take the record. On this question,

there are l24 %Ayes', and .1 'Nay' and this Bill having#

received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

pàssed. House Bill 4168.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4168, bill for an act to amend 'LTI.e'School Code'. 'Third Reading of the Bi1l.

''


tive Carroll.''

Howard W. Carrcll: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Ge'ntle

men of the House. House Bill 4168 is ah . . deals with those

that are physically handicapped. especially the blind and

other physically disabled people. We have passed in previo sSessions r what is known as the White Cane Law, and in our

new Constitution of 1970, it prohibits any discrimination

against people because of handicap. There seem to be a laek

to fill this into 'The School Code'- This Bill is in attemp:

to do that. We do, at this time, have some 44 blind teacher. in this State who are teaching, who are duly qualified and

certified, but 'The School Code' might Ve prohibited theircontinuing teaching. A11 we say is'that they can not be

discriminated against if they are otlAex-kzise qualif ied . I

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ask for favorable vote.n


' tive Juckett.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield to

question?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: '.He indicates he wi11.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''How would this ah. . Law compare with the

series of Bill we passed last year in regard to the phy-

sically and mentally handicapped wherein we provided that

if they were capable of carrying out the provipion of their

jo> that they could not be discriminaked against?''

Howard W. Carroll: nBob , it's my understanding that apparentl

what happened is that series there was nothing specificélly

in 'The Sçhool Code'. And this was the attempt to do basic 1-

ly the same thing.''

Robert S. Juckettt ''Well, we passed it as a state Policy. ''

Howard W. Carroll: ''And there seem to be an area within 'The

school Code'. The O.S.P.I. has looked this over as well asxA

the various feature groups has suggested the Bi1l. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''ls there further discussion? The

questicn is, 'shall House Bill 4168 passa'. All those in

favor will signify by voting 'aye.u and the opposed by voti g'no '. Have a1l voted who wished? Take the record

. On thiquestion, there are l16 'Ayes'

, and 'Nay', and this Bill

having received the Constitutional majority is hereby decla ed

passed. House Bill 4169.!,

Fredric Selckc: House Bill 4169, an Act to amend Seetion 5

, / '? ( ->. k'' G E N E R A L A S S E M B L, Yj, f'-. - . : '$ x o. k 8 ), ' : .

s v. a 'r c o v I u u ' 'q o . sL h . ' ''',J;) k v ' . %' '- .x M . . *5 o t) S Z C$ V H S. P FR ES E M Y A Y 1 V E STlt# . &+%*.s

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of 'An Act in relation to criminal identification and inves i-

gaticn'. Third reading of the Bi11.''


tive Carroll-l'

Howard W. Carroll: ''Thank you, Mr. Speuker, Ladies and Gentle

men of the House. House Bill 4169 deals in the area of ex-

punging of a record ah.. when a person has been arrested fo

misdemeanor or a municipal ordinance violation where ther

has been no finding by a court where the State or City has

decided not to proceed in the case. Apparently, when this

Bill was written, there was confusion as to whether or prio

arrest for a minor traffic violation, minor meaning none of

the serious, drunkèn driving,' reckless or any of those, or

even a prior parki.ng ticket might be a bar to ex/unging the

record. We want it clear by saying, and apparently some of

the circuits have followed that. this would merely

adds a Section that says that convictions for moving and no -

moving traffic violation other than serious ones will not,xe '

in itself, be a bar to expunging of the record. I ask for

a favorable vote.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representat' e

Fleck-''

Charles J. Fleck: ''Wil1 the Sponsor 'yield for a question?

Howie, what are considered the serious violations that are

I not a part of 'l':e Bil1?''

Howard W . Carroll : '' Charlie . ' tlle serious dnes which I mentione

.. s% v-N:.i * z ..+ .r*.': mwtkr h c E N E R A L A s s E M 1) t, Y. t .. j? ..; :..r. . .y jj f' @' Jpl.a SYA'T'? o P' ' L L ' N O ISjj k .. r. . . s o u s t.: o e s r: r x I:z c s t: sj v a v 1 v E s--: ,, t ' - .. sav

yruspecifieally in the Act itself are 6303 which is drivin: on

a suspended or revoked. 11401, 501, 503, and 5O4 which are

ypur various 're'ckless ériving actions and driving while

intcxicated.''

kep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there furthef discussion? The

question ise 'shall House Bill 4169 pass?'. A1l those in

favor signify by veting 'aye' and the opposed by voting 'n '.#

Have a11 voted who wished? Take the record . On this ques-

tion, there are l18 'Ayes' and no 'Nays', and this Bill hav

ipg received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4363.'1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4363, a bill for an act to amel d

the 'State Employees Group Insurance Act'. Third reading

of the Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: nThe gentleman from Jchnson, Rêpresen a-

tive Mccormick-''

C. L. Mecormick: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this an Amendment tc our 2601 which %çe passed

last yeat so that any favorable benefit funds that come bac

as a resulk of a group insurance program would bé depcsited

in this new category to provide better ah . . coverage or'a cheaper rate for our State Employees Group Insurande

. Now,

this has been looked over by ah . . the Advisory Council

the State Employees Insurance Group, the Auditor's OfficeF

the Treasurer's Office, the Department of Insurance and

know of Nc objection to this Bill. I'd appreciate your'favorable vote.''

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tion .is, 'shall House Bi.11 4363 Pass?'. A1l thcse in favor

signify by voting 'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have '#

al1 vcted who wished? Take the record. On this questicn,

there are l21 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill havinureceived the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4359. Representative Lehman, fcr what .

purpose do ycu rise, Sir?'!

Edward Lehman: ''Eor a point of personal privilege. In the

absence of my seat-mate, due to an important meeting he had'

to make, I would like to introduce a group of School Childr n

from St. Gall's Ychool in Representatike McAvcy's District

Right here.n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''House Bill 4359.''

Fredric B. Selcke; ''House Bill 4359. an Act to amend an Act

relating to the Department of Mental Hea1th. Third reading

of the Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from McLean, Represent -

..A

tive Hall.''

Harber Hall: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave of the

House to have House Bill 4359 and 4360 considered simultan-

eously. Thez'm related Bil1s.''


none, will the Clerk please read House Bill 4360.''

Fredric Selcke: ''House Bill 4360, a bill for an Act to ame d

an Act relating to State Finance. Nhird reading of the

Bill . ''

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Rep . Arthur A . Telcser ; ''The gentleman f rom Mcbean,. Representà -

tive 'I.Iall . ''

Harber H. Ha1l: ''Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, these two

Bills have been introduced by the Department of Mental

Health. Pursuant to an Audit Commission Study of their

handling of records and monies ah. . in three of the Chicago

Institutes under their control. House Bill 4359 combines

the Pediatric Institute and the Psychiatric Institute and

the Institute for Juvenile Research under a common title

within the Department of Mental Health . That is all that

this partieular Bill does. Now, 4360, because of income

earned in some of the Mental Hea1th Instituticns by buying

through the work, the labor and the materials at those In-

stitutes, they seli some pro' perties and up until this time,

they have put it into cne fund and use that fund as a cdn-

tingency for expenses at the Institute. The Auditors and

Audit Commission felt that they should do away with that

fund, called the Welfare Fund, and put in into the State

Treasury under different Fund and appropriate a11 the ex-

penses of those Institutes in Chicago. Ah.. the Department

of Mental Hea1th agreed with this 'and they ah . . drafted and

introdueed these two Bills and I would ask ,the support

the House for themo''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Tke gentlemah from Cook. Representa-tive Douglas.''

Bruce L. Douglas: ''Harber, I'm sorry. I'm not sure that I

heard everything that #ou said. But, if necessary, you mig t

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repeat for me. What effect, if any, does this have on the

a&ninistration of these Institutions? Does this merge

administrations in any way or overlap responsibilitiesa''

Harber H. Hall: ''No, it does not. It just simply means thatah.. under 4359, we will refer, henceforth to the Illinois

Mental Health Institute and they, in turn, include and con-

sist of the Illinois Institute of Psychiatric. . . the Illino's

Psychiatric Institute, the Illinois State Pediatric Institu e

.l and the Institute for Juvenile Researeh . Now, these are st'll

separate operating entities but they will come under the on

designation of the Illinois Mental Health Institutes of

Chieago. You will have fiseally one eoordinated office in

the operation of their ah. . fiscal matters for the individu l

Institutes.''

Bruce L. Douglas: ''Well ah . . does this change the budgetary

arrangeùents in any way? When you say under one fiscal

arrangY ent, could you explain what that means? Do they

eaeh havp. their own budgets or is that not now the case,

anyhow?'.

Harber H. Hall: ''Yes, they do have their individual budgets

and they will be audited se>arately. But, they will notah.. have the Welfare Fund. They Will not... any incomes,any or a1l of them derive from the sale of products or ah

. .

any of the materials they make. They will not put into

separate Welfare Fund. They will put it into a Fund controlledin the State Treasury and'they will be required to appropria e

mcnies to be spent from that rather than to just ah. . have a

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revolving Fund over which they along had control.''

Bruee Douglas: ''To your knowledge, do the people' at each

of these Institutions, concur with this Bill? '/he admini-

strationsa''

Harber H. Hall: ''Yes, ah.. there was no objection to it. The

Department themselves introduced it. They recognized the

administrative problems that they were having in control of

these Funds and introduced these Bills themselves. n

Bruce Douglas: ''Alright. Thank you- ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''ls there further discassion? The

gentleman frcm Logan, Representative Madigan.''

Edward R. Madigan: '.Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemer

of the House, with all due respect to my colleague and my

future Senator, I do feel impelled to point out to the Hous

that these Bills or Bill, similar to this have been lntro-duced in the Legislature every Session that I have been q

Member, and they've always been defeated in Committee. Not,

I don't know how my future Senator got them this 'far this>Atime, but I congratulate him for having done that. But,

the fact remains, that they are very bad bills, and I would

urge that al1 of the Members look at this very clcsely be-

Yor they vote upon them.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nIs there further dis'cussion? Does

the gentleman wish to close the debate? Does he wish to

respond to his Congressman or whata''

Harber H. Hal1: t'It's hard to argue with anyone that has gone

'

as far and is going as far as the Gentleman who last spoke.

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We would ah.. like to have a verification of his statemènt

that they have had trouble previously, but we coufld wait

another day for that. And I ah . . again ask for'support for

these two Bills.'''

A thur A Telcser: ''The question is'''shall House BillsRep. r . ,

4359 and 60 passa'. Al1 those in favor signify by voting

'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who

wished? Take the record. We'l1 take two records. On thes ..

Representative Hall, for what purpose do you rise, Sir.?

Harber H. Hall: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, I wculd like to explain my

VOte.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nProceed, Sir.''

Harber H. Hall: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I don't know that Representative Madigan ah ... really

had serious objections to these Bills. But, if he did, I

didn . t hear him specify kf12# . Ah . . would say thfs , tha' t

ah..every Member of the Audit Commission on both sides of

this aisle and on b0th sides of the Rotunda ah. . .would sup-

port the/e Bills. And I have never heard from any individu 1

i 1 f the Institu' tes or the Institutionsconcerned w ti any o

in the State or having a' ny other interest in this type of

'legislation. I've never heard any objection to these. Thi

is good legislation. It's intended to strenghten the opera

tion of the Mental Health Department. And I would suqgest

ah.. that ah.. we think about this and see if we can assist

in passin'g it. I urge more 'aye' votes for them .''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Have a1l voted who wished? Repre-

,s :-1:1 * ' > . ,s .. s % y g -. ?' .. L > %. G E N E R A L A S S E M B 1- Yi' Lt;...j - ) .. .' t !- k '- t. s'r-'rc os 'uul-o's'x %;V -.C 4 '.,) . *1 o u s ç o lr R e: e R cs c Iu 'r A w 4 v cs*1 r . q l s'Y. . z.I.

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sentative Phil collins, for what purpose do you rise, Sira''

Phillip Collins: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, we were told that thes

' were bad Bills, but why? I don't'understand the opposition

to these Bills. If ycu look at the Sponsorship, you'll fin

that its' bipartisan support by every Member of the Legis-

lative Audit Commission. These are Bills that came out of

the Legislative Auditing Commission unanimously, bipartisan,

and representing b0th Houses. Ah.. the Department of Men-

tal 11ea1th is in support of these Bills- In fact, they

request them of us. Ah.. I'm really at a loss. as to why

there aren't enough votes on the Board tc pass these Bills

and I would urge the Membership to take another look. And

I see that the Democratie Members of the Audit Commis'si6n

are off the floor, but Representatives Mcpartlin and Arrigo

are co-sponsors and I'm sure that they would rise to speak

for these Bills, if they were to return to the floor. And

I would ah.. urge the Membership to reconsider and ah- .help

us to pass these Bills.''xM

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Moultrie, Represe ta-

tive Stone.n

Paul Stone: ''Mr. Speaker, how.am I recorded?''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''How is the .gentleman recorded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting 'no'.

Paul Stone: '%May I please change that to 'aye'a''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Reeord the gentleman as voting taye'.

Well, let's take a new toll call. We'll save a lot of time,think. A1l those in favor signify by voting 'aye'

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opposed by voting 'no'. The gentleman from Cock, Representc-

tive Juckett.''

. Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, several of the Representativ.s

have asked the reason why this. Ftay or may not be a bad Bfll.

All that I can indicate is that they join tosether the Reed

Zone Center, the Chicago State Hospital and the Mental Heal h

Center, and they are, by far, one of the worst eonglomerate

that have ever bèen created . They tried to do it for

effieiency purposes and al1 that happens are that patients

get mashed up, patients are disreuarded, and you are puttintogether creatures and buildings that are not supposed tobe together. You've got I

.J.R. which is Illinois Juvenile

Research, you got the Pediatrics, and you've got one other

facility. I don't know what one it is. And if just

for the sole purpose of unit buying, etc-, I think that the

are forgetting the patient and the purpose for which these

buildings and these facilities are created. It has nct bee

shown a good reason-why they should be joined together. An

I think that the Congressman was correct and I think that

we ought to follow his lead.''


tive Douglas.''

Bruce L. Douglas: ''Mr. Speaker, I remain very uncomfortable

with ah.. this Bill and in reading it, I'm not sure that ah. .

Mr. Hall has given us the whole story. I think that Repre-sentative Juckett has brogght up some very valid points. Iknow these three Institutions very well

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and each is separate, The Illinois State Psychiatric Insti-

tute, The Pediatric Institute, The Institute for Juvenile

Research. They a11 have differenE functions and according

to the way that the Bill is written, they would be merged

under one... one administrative Institute where there would

be the exercise of Executive and Administrative Supervision

which goes far beyond, which I believe, you said, Harber.

And I would urge that ah-. you be cautious about voting for

this, until we have more information. And while there are

enough votes up there, I see no reason why we ,couldn't de-

lay this until one further day until we have more informati n.

And I also want to know why Representative Madigan said wha

he was saying. I wasn't sure whether he was joking br khat

he was sincere. I think we need more information we make

what may seem to be a very minor judgement which may actually

be a vèry major decision that would effect the future of al

three of these Institutions. And I will not vote on this,

and urge that other follow suit until we have more informa-

tion.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Have al1 voted who wished? Take the

record. There will be two records taken. On these questio s,

there are 1O4 'Ayes', and 4 'Nays', and these Bills having

received the Constitutional majority are hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4438. Record Representative McDevitt

as.ovoting-.edaye' on those last two votes-''

Fredric Selcke: ''House 'Bi11 4438, an Act to amend an Aet in

relation to minimum fair wage standards for wqmen and minors.

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Third reading of the Bi11.''Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''T14e gentlcman from Stark, Representa

tive Ncwlan.''Jâmes D. Ncwlan: ''Mr. Speaker, I request leave to have Hcuse

Bill 4439 eonsidered with this as they are eompanion mea-

sures.''


none, will the Clerk please read House Bill 4439..1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4439, a bill for an to amend

the 'Minimum Wage Law' Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Stark, Representa

tive Nowlan.''James D. Nowlan: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, House

Bill 4439 simply reduces thè differential in the 'Illinois

Minimum Wage Act' fzom 19 years to 18 years and 4438 ah..

simply redefines the minor to ah.. change that to 18 years

in conformity with the proposal in 4439. Last year, we

determined that there was t'o be an 'Illinois Minimum Wage

Law'. The Commission on Youth has recommended that ah..

the differential be reduced from 19 years to 18 years of ag

.inasmuch as that is determined in' many other areas to be th

age of majority. The Committee of Chairman Sehoeberlein

reeommended this House do pass with a unanimous vote and I

ask your favcrable consideration for the proposal-''


man from Madison, Representative Walters.''

Robert J. Walters: ''Woùld the Sponsor yield fcr a questiona''

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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he wil1. ''

Robert J. Walters: ''Representative Nowlan, we pass these

tèo measures for the women. Does this do away with HJR*l3?

We won't have to pass that equal Amendments right?''

James Nowlan: certainly want to keep this proposal se' pa -

ate from other concerns whieh you miqht have . And I don't

think that in any way this impinges upon the deliberation

on that larger measure.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? Does

the Gentleman which to close the debate? The question

'shall House Bills 4438 and pass?'. All those favor

will signify by 'voting 'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'.

The Clerk will take two roll calls. Have al1 voted who

wished? Take the records. Two roll calls. on these ques-

tions, there are l25 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and these Bills; #

having received the Conàtitutional majority are hereby de-clared passed. House Bill 4375.

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Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4375, ah..''

Rep . Arthur A . Telcser: ''The gentleman f rom Cook, Representa-

tive Duffa''

Brian B. Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to have permission

to hear 4375, 76, 77, 78, 81, and 82. They're a1l

the same series.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''Are there any objections? Hearing

none, will the Clerk please read the Bills the gentleman

Eredric B . selcke : ''ITouse Dill 4375, a''bill f or an Act to

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amend the safety inspections and education Act. Third

reading of the Bi11. Hguse Bill 4376, a bill for an toam'end the 'Minimum Wage Law'. Third reading of the Bill.

House Bill 4377, a bill for an Act to amend the high rise

apartment buildings Act. Third reading of the Bill. House

Bill 4379, a bill for an act to amend the wage deductions

for the benefit of creditors Act . Third reading of the

Bill. 4381, a bill for ah Act to amend the mass gatherings 1

Act. Third reading of the Bill. 4382, a bill for an Act

to amend the 'Snowmobile Registration and Safety Act'. Thi d

reading of the Bi1l.''

Brian B. Duff: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, these Bills are conformity

Bills. Each of of them is the result of the work of the

Council on the Diagnosis and the Evaluation of criminal

defend ants. And ah.. whlt they do, very briefly, is amend

these Bills to be in confornlity with the new Code of Corn

rections that has now passed both the House and the Senate.

And that is the total extent of the Bill. They are House-A'

' keeping Bills to bring these other Act into conformity

. Iwould appreciate a favorable vote-

''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nIs there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall these Bills pass?'. The Clerk will take

one roll call and photostat the rest. All those in favor' signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'

.

Have al1 voted who wished? Take the record. On these

questions: there are 'Ayes' and 3 'Nays' and these# r

Bills having received the Constitutiönal majority are hereb

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declared passed. For what purpose does. . . Representative

Phil Collins is voting 'aye' For what purpose does the'

gentleman from Stark, Representakive Nowlan, rise?''

James D. Nowlan: '.Mr. Speaker and Members, several weeks ago,

I had the privilege of addressing several elasses at Wheeling

High School in District 1214 in Whdeling Township, and today,

the choral group from that High School which lies in the

District of Representatives Chapman, Regner and Schlickman,

b i i us in the Rotunda and they are withhave een enterta n ng

us in the Gallery behind me, and I believe that we should

Thank them for providing the Employees and Members with

their entertainment. which was excellent and for joining ustoday.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''House Bill 4307.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4307, a Act to amend Section l

of 'An 'Act in relation to water supply, drainage, sewage,

pollution and flood control in certain eounties'. Third

reading of the Bi11.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Representa-

tive Gene Hoffman.''

Gene Hoffman: ''Mr. speakera Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I wank to thank you for warning me by calling the

Bill number. Ah.. House Bill 4307 extends the 7 percent-

interest date from January l ah . . to July 1 1973. As#

you rememberp we passed these interest extension B5.lls ah..

from 6 to 7 percent. Thi.s has a cut off date. The market

ias not changed enough, and therefcre, I ask your support.''

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tion is, 'shall House Bill 4307 passa'. A1l those in favor

signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting

Have al1 voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques.

Eion, there are 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and this Bill#

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clared passed. House Bill 4124..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4124, a bill foK an Act to

amend the 'Use Tax Act'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlemdn from Lee, Representativ

Shapiro.''

David C. Shapiro: ''Mr. speaker, Ladies and Genklemen of the

House, House Bill 4124 seeks to correct an equity in the

'Use Tax Ack'e which discriminates against Illinois Manu-

facturers. The present Tax places an Illinois manufacturer

price disadvantage when selling to Contrackörsz'. who sub-

sequently, use their material out of State. For example,

under the presenk Law, and Illinois Contractor buying from

an Illinois Manufacturer for temporary storage in Illinois

and subsequent ouk of State incurs a 5 percent Illinois

Tax Liability subject to current tax pai'd to another state

If the out of State Tax is, say 3 percent, the net Illinois

Tax is 2 percent. However, if the Illinois Contractor were

to buy the material from an out of State supplier, he quali-

fies for the temporary storage and the subsequent use outsid

of Illinois exemption, which the Use Tax but not in th

Illinois Retailers Occupational Tax Act. The Contractor,

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therefore, pays only 3 percent a saTing of 2 percent, if he

purchases the material out of State by dealing with out

State suppliers. I would ask for a favorable vote on this

Bill ko corre/t discrimination against Illinois Manufaeture s

on a small basis.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Re/resenta-

tive Maragos.''

Salnuel C. Maragop: ''Representative Shapiro, ah.. would you

yield to a question?''

David C. Shapiro: ''Yes.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''I don't recall when you testified before

the Revenue Committee you said that the Department of

. Revenue was in favor cf this Amendment... of this Bill or n t?''

David C. Shapiro: ''AK.. the Department of Revenue is not opposed

to the Bi11. They are neutral on the Bill. They stated

that as far as loss of Revenue is concerned, there would be

little or none. And the fact that some of these people may

r'eturn to this State to purchase their materials could leadvy- '

to an increase in Revenue.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''That's what my recollection was, but I

wanted to make sure. Thank you.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''dls there further discussion? The

question is, 'shall House Bil.1. 4.12% pass?'. Al1 those in

favor signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'.

Have a1l voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, there are 103 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and this Bill. ' ;


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clared passed. House Bill 4326.''


amend 'The School Code' Third rcading of the éi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The Lady frcm Cook, Representative

Chapman.''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, this i

a Bill whieh will save money for the Taxpayers by providing

for Annual Reports to the Governor by the Superintendent of

Public Instruction rather than biennial . reports which are

#resently required under the Law. In order tc the biennial'

report, it has required putting together two annual reports.

so, even though the savings is not great, does represent

a savings and it is in line with our new ah . . annual budgetary

procedure and with the new Constituticn. respectfully askfor your support for this measure.

n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: HIs there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4326 passa'. All those in fav6r

signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by votin: 'not.

Have all voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, there are l17 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill

having received the Constitutional majority is hereby de-clared passed. House Bill 3557. Let's take it out of the

record. It's been moved already . House Biil 4.466.'.Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4466, a bill for an act to amend

'The School Ccde'. Third reading of the Bi11.''

Rep . Arthur A . Telcser : ''T1àe gentleman f rom Dupage . Representa

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Gene L. Hoffman: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill 4466 and 4467 are related Bills, but I

will take them separately. These 'Bills came out of Hearing

of the School Problems Commission in reference to the Trans

portation formula which has been in effect for the last thr e

years. We found in our Hearings that a number of Districts

who had limited its assessed evaluation could not even

raise the 20 percent necessary to meet the 80 percent ah. .

matching fund from the State. What this Bill does is basic

ally two things. Number one, it provides that the State

will pay the difference between what a 7 percent levy will

raise for transportation in that particular District. It

alsc provides that thcse Districts who had built up a'defic't

in a transportation fund, due to the differenee between the

80 percent and whatever they were able to levy, would be

paid for this year and the previous years. That particular

Bill ah.. is the Appropriations Committee right now re-

lated to that which has about a $500,000 dollars appropria-

tion on it for the year, or for the three year period.

would appreciate your support.''


man from Cook, Representative Shea.n

Gerald W. Shea: ''Gene, from we can detemnine, the Sehcol Dis-

tricts Downstate are about what? 7.6 Million Dollars shor

their transportation funds?''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''The amount of money that the School Distric s

ire short are related to a variety of things. This particul-r

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Bill pertains only to those Districts who have not been ablta

to through the matching tax efforL raise the difference be-

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tween the 80 percent and the l00 #ercent. So, Ehat in fact,the money that I'm talking about, Jerry, refers only to the

difference betweene let's say a District which could raise

10 percent and the 80 percent, it would only deal with the

deficient raise by that. The deficit in transportation

funds ah.. of various Districts across the state are caused

by a variety of things. One of the reasons for it is that

a number of Districts have decided on their own to do things

in this area of transportation for which the State will notreimburse. We do no . .. or I do not believe that thcse Schoo

j.District should be treated ah.. any differently than hose

School Districts whc have been fruitful and laave done whatah.. what they have really been able to dc within th

e con-

fines of the directions cf the State. ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Although, as I understand the proposal, yourallowing School Districts to issue non- referendum bonds be-

yond any statu korv' limit to meet the makeup?''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''That is not correct. House Bill 4467, which

you referred, we eliminated vby Amendment the 5 percent Con-stitutional limit. But the bonds to pay the claims fall wit -

in the statu tory limits which we set last year to take theplace of the Constitutional Limitation which was eliminated-'

Gerald W. Shea: ''You raised it from the statu,tory 5 percent

to... or the Constitutional 5 percent, as I understand it:to 6 pereent for single Districts and 12 percent for unit

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nistricts. that right?''

cene L. Hoffman: ''That's by... that's by referendumo''

Gerald W. Shea: ''That's by referendum?'t

cene L. Hoffman: ''The total, I mean any way they can go.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''That's the total indebtedness allowed by

statute. Rightr'

Gene L. Hoffman: ''That's correct. ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Alright... Now, the indebtedness created by

these bonds. Where does it fall within that limit?''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''l'm sorry. Inside the 6 percent for sinsle

Districts and for units. ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Alright. . sc..''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''That would ihside that-''

Gerald W. Shea: ''It.would have to be inside the 6 and 12, but

they can be issued without referendum? Can't they?''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''They have a back door referendum on them.

l 1 k at Section 19-8 we have added thi: to thyou wou d oo ,

'ability to make payments for teachers orders or any otherclaims against the District. And then we added the payment

of the deficit in the transportation fund which would com

out of the bond an interest fund as o/posed to where it hadcome before out bf th@ education fund. It's a great deal

resistance to take the, ycu kncw, 'the transferring from the

education fund to the transportation fund. And we're takin

it out of the transportation fund and allowing to go into

the bond and interest fund as we1l.''

Gerald W. shea: ''The net effect, as T see this, is that we're

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trying to allevùateany burden on the education fund and we' e

qoing to end up increasing local property taxes in some Dis

. tricts. Is that rightan

Gene L- Hoffman: don't believe so.''

Gerald W. shea: ''You don't think this will cause an increase

in taxes in Districts that have to sell bonds?''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''I don't think so. No.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Well, how are the bonds going to be paid for

is not out of a property tax levya''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''They are going to' be paid out of.. out of

the Bond and out of the Bond and Interest Fund. Now, th

Bond and Interest Fund- . the Building Eund and the Educa-

tional Fund all come from the same sources. Now. whether

you levy the Tax in the Bond and Interest Fund or if you

would levy the Tax in the Building Fund or if you l/vy the

Tax in ,the Education Fund, it al1 has tc come from the same

source. There is going to be nc increase, regardless from

which of the Funds. They a1l come from the same source. S .

whether you levy that Tax in the Building Fund or levy that

Tax in the Interest Pund or you levy the Tax in the Educa-

tion Fund, the impact would be the same.h

Gerald W. shea: ''Yeah.. an increase in Taxes.''

Gene L. Hoffman: nAn increase in the Tax.. the total Taxa''

Gerald W. Shea: ''That's right-''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''There's going... Alright, you take it from

the Building Fund, if you raise the Education Fund, ycu rai. e

'the Building Fund and you raise the Interest Fund, YES.

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That's were it going to have to come. That's riqht. Now,

that's correct.''

. Gerald W. Shea: ''There's going to be an increase in property

Taxes?''

Gene L. Hoffman: nIn the areas where they levy the bond. And

it gives them the option to do that. They don't have to

do it. The cption is there. There's no requirement that

they do this. Ahd this is merely applicable to that deficit

that is being created by the difference between the two,

Jerry.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Alright.. Are these administration sponsored

Bills?''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''No, these came out of the area of thq Schoo

Problems Commission.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Alright.n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Champaign, Repre-

sentative Clabaugh.n

Charles W. Clabauqh: ''I'd like for the Clerk to tell us whatA

Bill he has on call. We're explaining House Bill 4467.'.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nWelre on 4466. Representative Hoff-

man, do you wish to respond tc that?''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''We were discussing 4467, but they are re-

lated and they cam out of... both of these Bills came out

of the area of the School Problems Commission. soe we were

discussing and we are on but they are related.'.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The'question is, ' shall House Bill 4466 pass ? ' . A1l those in

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Have a11 voted who wished? The gcntleman from Champaign,

Representative Clabaugh, to explain his vote.''

. Charles W. Clabaugh: ''If I caused a5y confusicn there, it was

because some of the Members were confused on it, Mr. Speake p

because they had 66 under call and 67 b0th. But the explan -

tion was on 67 and we were looking at 66. Ncw, I think tha

the Sponsor. Did you explain 66, Gene?''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''Yes.''

Charles W. Clabaugh: '.He was explaining the difference to som

of the Members here and I think that you are making a mis-

take here by not voting first on 66. Now, we adopted a new

formula for State School Transportation and we require

of the Schocl Districts. This legislature requires çertain

school Districts to ah.. furnish transportation for pupils

and we have the formula for doing this. Now, in these case .

where the 80 percent limit was on, the 12 cent rate just

wouldn't pay some of these poor Districts that extra 20 per

cent. It just wouldnlt pay it. And those School Districts.-A

have no other place to get it. We said in the last Session

that you can't take it from the Educational Fund. And so,

we suggested this time that we remove that 00 percent ah..

that the State will pay and say the State will pay the dif-

ference from whatever the transportation costs are after

they have levied a11 we allow them to levy and that's 12

cents. Now, that's House Bill 4466. And I don't see any

reason at all, since this Legislature sets the fcrmula. We

'set the percent of Taxes that they can levy for it. and it

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$46 .just won ' t make the dif f erence . So , I think tilat up

to the Legislature to bridge over è4nd make it pcssible f orthese pistricts'to raise that amount of money

. Now, 67

follows along because there are some $500,000 dollars that

several... a few of the Districts are in debt. There is nc

way to pay it at a1l and we have already in Section 19-8 an19-9 provided that if a Distriet simply doesn't have the

money to pay'its' teachers according to Contract that they

may issue Bonds to make those payments and many Districtshave done Now, they are subject to a back bill referendumf But, I know. of no case where it has been turned down

.

Now, we have merely added to the transportation over- costs

to the teachers orders of which they can levy the Bonds.And you simply holding some school Districts into a situatio

I that they can't possibly get out of, because they have obeyethe Law as we have laid it out

. And I think that we should

have the extra votes there. can't tell you where someof those.xDistricts are, but obviously, there are some Mem-bers from those Districts that are refusing to let theirDistricts get out of that trouble

.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Have a1l voted who wished? Take thereeord. The gentleman from Dupage

, Representative Hoffman.n

Gene L. Hoffman: '1Mr. Speaker, T'd like' leave to postpone con-sideration on this Bi1l.

''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Dces the gentleman have leave? Hear-, ing no objections, House Bill 4466 will put on the order ofpostponed eonsideration . ''

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$ Gqne L. Hoffman: ''I do not wish to call 4467 under the presen1 circumstances.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Understandable. House B1l1 4105.',Predric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4105, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''


tive Schlickman-''

Eugene F. Sehlickman: ''Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, House Bills 41Q5 through 4106 are companionBills and I would ask for leave to discuss them as a package.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Are there any objections? Hearingnone, will the Clerk please read House Bill 4106

.',

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4106, a bill for an Aet to

amend 'The Municipal Code'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''


tive Schlickman.''

Eugene E. Schlickman: ''Mr. Speakere and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, this series of Bills allows the mu/icipalitiesin Countzes to contract the Department of Complex owners

for regulation of complex parking areas in the same way thatcontracting is now allowed with Hospital

, School Board andàhopping center Owners. In 1969, the Legislature passed Bi1 s

allowing municipalities in Counties to enter into contractwith owners of shoppinq Centers and regulate the parking ofautomobiles and the traffic' and parking areas owned by1 i Centers. In 1971 we extended this principle to inS Aopp ng ,

clude the Contracts for the regulation of traffic or parkinq

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on School cr Hospital property. By House Bill 4105 through

4108, we simply extend this principle ah . . existing princip e

i l in the Chic ago. ah.. to apartment complexes. Increas ng y,

metropclitan Area, apartment complexes are being construdte

and the health, safety, welfare and morals of the public

require that municipaïities in Counties have this authority.

The Bills were reported out of Ccmmittee. They have had

added to them thb standard home rule exempticn . I respect-

fully solicit your support.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there ahy discussion? The ques-

tions is, 'shall House Bill 4105 and 4106 passl'. A1l thos

in favor will signify by voting 'ay-ès., and the opposed by

voting 'no'. The Clerk will take two Roll Calls. Haqve all

voted who wished? Take the'record. On these questions,

the 'Ayes' are lO5 the 'Nays' are 1 and these Bills hav-

ing recpived the Constitutional majority are hereby declare

passed. House Bill 4107. Representative Schlickman, you

had only asked for the two Bil1s.''

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Fredrie B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4107, a bill for an Aet to ame d

an Act relating to Counties. Third reading ef the Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from' Cook, Representa-

tive Schlickman-n

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, I ask for leave to have House Bills 4105 thro gh

4108 to be considered as a package-'' '

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The Clerk informs m'e you answered

4105 and 4106. Do you wish to those severed and waivered

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together?''

Euqene F. Schlickman: ''Please.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Read 4108. .'

Eredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4108, an Act to amend Section

of .An Aet in relation to the regulation of motor vehicle

traffic. Third reading of the Bill-n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman ffom Cook. Representa-

tive schlickman.n

Eugene Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, 4107 is a companion. I would ask leave to

havq 4107 and 4108 considered together-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''You've already received that leave

and it has been read a third 'time.''

Eugene F. Schlickmant ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, House Bills 4107 and 4109 are eompanion to 4105

and 4106. I've already explained them and I would solicit

your support.''

Rep'. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The

question is, 'shall these Bills pass?'. All those in favor

signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'.There will be two Roll Calls. Have all voted who wished?

Take the recordz On these questions, there abe lO2 'Ayes'#and no 'Nays', and these Bills havkng received the Constitu

tional majority are hereby declared passed. House Bill 4343.''Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4343

, a bill for an act to ame d

an Act in relation to Garnishment . Third reading of the Bi 1.'.

Re#. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

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tive Carroll.'.

Howard W. Carroll: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaxer and Ladies and

Gentlemen of the House. House Bill 4343 deals with the

concept of nôtice and due process before your property

taken. There have been several attempts in the past Sessio s

of the Legislature to get at the ccncept of confession cf

judgement. This is not an attempt directly at confessions.

It is recognized that the objections that have been raised

that business would come tc a standstill if confessions

of judgements were done away with. This also recognizes th

arguments that have been raised that ah.. a confession is .

invalid unless the judgement creditor has the ability tofreeze the asset. of the judg'ement debtor before the judge-

ment debtor findg out about it. What we have done by this

Bill, however, is said that once that affidavit and garlïish

ment is filed and cnce the judgement creditor has frozen th

assetn of the judgement debtor, that there must be service

of process ah.. in effect the confirming hearing on the un-A '

derlying confession and confessed judgement before theproperty can be turned over by the garnishee or by the bank

to the judgement creditor. This is in line with the recent

Supreme Court.. the United States.' Supreme Ccurt Case in

Connecticut. That deals with the' area of a lack of due

prccess in the taking of properties. I ask for your favor-

able vote.''

Rqp. Arthur A. Telcser: HThe gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Hyde.''

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Henry J. Hyde: ''Will the gentleman ys.eld?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he will-'.

Henry J. Hyde: ''A1à.. Mr. Ca/roll, doesn't this effectively

destroy confession notes. Ah.. ap read the synopsis: and

I realize that may be inadequate, you can not execute on a

judgement unless you have trial de nolo? Is khat correct?i'

Howard W. Carroll: ''Representative Hyde, what the Bill says...

Nc, it dces not effectively do away with confessions, con-

fession notes or leases. What says, however, a judge

ment by confession of any kind, be it a note, lease or any-

thing else. is obtained, you will file your affidavit and

garnishment as you do today which effectively freezes the

asset. However, before that asset will turned over, be-

fore the bank gives the money io the landlord, there must

be service of process wfth an attempt to a trial de nolc br

through a wage deduction order.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''It's the trial de nolo that concerns me. You

come in ynd try the issues on the confession as to whetherW

the money is cwed or not?''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Therq can be if there is a defense

as there would be in the case if you went back to open up

the judgement.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''We11, you do that in the confirming process.

Don't ou ''y .

Howard W. qarroll: nYou could do that in a confirming process.''

Henry I'lyde : ''We11, what I ' ln getting at is f or every little

$30. dollar credit that's extended (o a wage earner... ah. .

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the inhibition of the credit ah. . if the creditor has to

come into Court ah.. and prove his ease. aren't you. objectively destroying the judgement notes?''

Howard W. Carroll: nNo Representative Hyde, first of a1l 'as# #

to wage deduetions, you know that there are specific pro-

visions on that confirming judgements.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''That's right-''

Howard W. Carroll: '''Now however, there is nothing to say that

the creditor could not wait until the man gets his check an

takes it to the bank. And doesn'i have to freeze certainparts of anything given to the family. However, as to your

speeific question, there is nothing that says that the

actual trial eould not be ex parke. The only point is' that

a person before his prcperty' is deprived of him had the

right to know that he has a right to go into court. There'

nothing. that say he has tc be there or that has to an

adversary proceedings. He can be a default judgement.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Wel1 sure, your putting the creditor through

the paces of having to go to court and to prove his case. ''

Howard W. Carroll: ''We1l, he is in court in the first place

and he should have to prove his case. In additicn to that:

the Supreme Court in Lynchfeld's Household Finance Corpora-

tion, and this is the U .S. Supreme Court, not our own Supre e

Ccurt, decided March 23rd of this year in a Connecticut

statute dealing with garnishments where there have not been

a judicial process where the person has received notice in

between have said that these violate the due process pro-

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visions of the Federal Constitutioh.n

Henry J. Hyde: ''Are you satisfied that the credit business

will not be impeded by thisa''

Howard W. Carroll: ''I'm satisfied that they have been protecte .

That it does not do away with confessions and that they hav

frozen the asset. They will be required the one additional

step of notifying the person before thëy take his money.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: nThe gentleman from Champaign, Repre-

sentative Hirschfeld.n

John C. Hirschfeld: ''Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentle-

men. of the Housee I think that this Bill is absurd. Ah..' -

whether he say it... may not be doing away with the con-

fessions of judgement, 1'11 irant you that. But it's noimpeY nt to the cbnfession of judgement, it's no longer wor h-

while. Now ah.. judgement ah.. debtor got the same rights

as he always has and that is to file a motion to open the

judgement. If he files a motion to open the judgement and' prepared the necessary affidavit under the Law of the State

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of Illinois and can prove his point, that judgement will be

open and he'll have a trial de nolo in the issues. To say

h t a creditor has got to come in hàre and in effect bet a , ,

2 d k his exlcution and put through a trihl de nolo itbo e n

just one more attempt tc try to m'ake the creditors spend un

necessary Attorney's fees and Court Cost to prove up a vali

judgement. The judgement is presumed valid when he takes

confession and if the debtor has any objections, he can

go to an Attorney or on his own if happens to be a small

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claim and file motion to ppen the judgement supporting the

affidavit. I think that tbis Bill is just one more step

to knock down our complacent judgement act in the State of

Illinois. And should solidly defçated.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nThe gentleman from Cook, Representat've

Maragos-''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

rise in support of this législation, because it is needed,

especially for the small wage earner who is not being taxed

through the wage earner process, but is being put throuqh

confession of judgement when he wants to get some credit,or on a lease, or an apartment building when he wants to

leave. And there's many times that a few of those of you

who have had any practice in t%e neighborhoods will realize

there's been many abuses of this process of confession of

judgement. Where a man skips, finishes his lease or maybe

a landlord feels he owes some money for some reason or an-

other, he'll confess judgeMent against him without any due

process. And before the man knows he's got a judgement

of a couple of hundred dollars. Now, it's easy for us to

say that he has a right to come into court within 30 days

or any other period to set aside that judgement. But you

forget one thing, if he has a judgement for SJ.SO. dollars

or $200. dollars. it would cost a man that much to try to

open it .up. So, in effect, he may have a victory if he wins

the case, but it will be still out-of-pocket money. This.

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This puts the pnus on the creditor to say that he can no

have this judgement. He can tie up the property, but he ca 't

have the money available, but can hot have the full money

turned over to him as an invested right until he has provên

or until the.. for the second time, the debtor does not com

in and contest it. You can rest assured that if a debtor

owes the money, hels not going to be foolish enough to go

into Court and fight it, and he has his leeway.v- ah..

it's illegal, a very unfair procedure by which he has been

assessed. In many Statese.like ourselvesv.we are one of th

few state in the Midwest that have confession of judge

ments. Many other States haven't those and get along with-

out it. Indiana, Wisconsin and many others and they 'seem

to still have plenty of good credit rating. However. in

this State, we're not saying to abolish the confession of

judgemént, but make sure that the small man who doesn't

have money or the time to go into Court to spend this type

of money for the amount of the judgement, in fact. can'tbe fully protected and I think that we should give this Bil

our support.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The qentleman fm ln Cook. Representa-

tive Kosinski-''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Ah.. will the Sponsor yield to a question,

Please?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he willw''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Howies it's always a pleasure. Howie, of

course, I'm always in great sympathy with the consumer and

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the debtor, but it does appear to me that over a period of

time in this House, much of our legislation has been irt his

' behalf for his protection with no'concern for the small

business. Now: I wonder if this Bill isn't somewhat self'-

defeating, in a sense. Because as a representative of

small businesses are now plagued with so many costs of main

taining credit, that I would inclined, these costs shoul

increase, to decrease the amount of credit that I would ex-

tend to the consumer. Thereby, limiting his ability to

purchase. How do you respond to this, Howie?''

Howard W. Carroll: ''AIA.. Representative Kosinskiy may I only

respond by saying that it was with full understanding of

the problems of the credit industry, with full understahd-

ing of the problems of the small businessman, with full un-

derstanding of not to eliminate confession of judgements,

but yet, to allow the perscn, the person who buys, the per-

son who leases to know what's happening in a Court proceed-

ings that this Bill was put into this form. It was with

the understanding of arguments presented in the last ses-

sions as to why this is needed in this State that it was

put in this form.''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''But, it was my understanding, Howie, by

other learned Attorneys on this floor that there would be

an inc rease in cost involved in terms of the creditor getti g

his money. Is this truea''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Cost o.f which? By Contract are put on to

the amount of the judgement at the time it's entered. The

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debtor ends up paying for that if he feels that he has a

right to his day in court.''' Roman J. Kosinski : ''Well , did I misunderstand? I think that

it was Mr . Hyde that inf erred that there would greater cdst

to the.. to the..''

. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Just a moment, please. For what pur-

pose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kipley, rise?''

Edward L. Kipley: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, on a point of parliamen-

tary procedure, it seems to me that there are no questions'

being asked. It's just a dialogue going back and forth

between twc Members of the floor of the House. And I don't '

think that is proper at this time.''

. Hop. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. that's an objection which wehave sustained before. So. I would suggest that you bring

your dialogue to a close and qo to the merits in your debat .

Any further discussion? Would the gentleman care to close?'

Howard W. Carroll: nThank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentl -

men of the House, as youo' a1l aware, we're one of four Stat s

that still allows confession of judgements. We are say by

this Bill that we are still going to allow confessions. Yo

may go, have a ccntract or a lease that allows confession

' of judgements. You can take that confessed judgement, go t '

court and get your judgement and go in and start your garni. h-

ment proceedings. You can freeze the asset of the deDtor.

All of this is done without that debtor, that constituent

of yours having any know.ledge of these proceedings . Having

any knowledge that you are about to take his bank account

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or any other asset you can find. Al1 we are saying is that

we a*e willing to help the creditors of this State freeze

the asset. We're willing to allow them to continue to get '

eonfessed judgements to continue to attach the property.

But, before that property will be turned over by a bank

or any one else who holds that property to this ereditor,

before he allowèd to do that, we should at least require

him to advise.. to advise'the debtor that his property is

about to be taken. That's a1l we're asking by this. There

is nothing that requires the banks today to tell you that

they are about to turn over your bank account. There is

nothing unless you kncw today that these proceedings are

going on, so that you can go into Court and open them up.

zf you happen to know about you'll gc and open it up,

if you have a def ense . All that %qe ' ve said bv tlni s . is giv

Ehem the notice. 1et them come in if they have a meritoriou

defense and let them prove it. Let your constituents ând

mine know that someone is hbout to take their property.M

Give them the due process that the Supreme Court on March

23rd of this year in a Conneckicut Case said that they must

be entitled to have in these garnishment type proeeedings.

I ask for your favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAlright.. the question is, 'shall Hous.

Bill 4343 pass?'. A1l those favor will vote 'aye', and

khe opposed 'no'. Have a1l voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. The gentleman asks leave to postpone

ideration. Alright.. Senate Bi'lls first reading .eons

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senate Bill 1321.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1321. First reading of the

Hon. Rcbert Blair: .11338..'

Eredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1338. First reading of the

Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: 1'1358.''

'Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate 1358. First reading of the Bil1.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Consent Calendar. Third reading.''

Eredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 1324. Third reading of the Bi 1.

House Bill 3719. Third reading of the Bi11. House Bill 41 9.

Third reading of the Bill. House Bill 4117. Third reading

of the Bill. 4118. Third reading of the Bill. 4119.

Third reading of the Bill. 4122. Third reading of the Bi11.

4157. Third reading of the Bill. 4346. Third reading of

the Bil'l. 4371. Third reading of the Bill. 4385. Third

reading of the Bi11. 4431. Third reading of the Bill.

4432. Third reading of the Bill. 4450. Third reading ofthe Bill. 4461 is taken... 4461. Third reading of the Bil .

4476. Third reading of the Bill. 4490. Third reading of

the Bill. 4503. Third reading of the Bill. 4509. Thirdreading of the Bill. 4536. Third reading of the Bill

.

4577. Third reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.n'

Henry Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, I move passage of those Bills

ah.. that tbe Clerk just Yead an the Consent Calendar, Thirreading, Third day.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Discussion? ihe gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Caldwell.''

Lewis A. H. Caldwell: ''I was l'istening to the numbers and I

was trying to find out if ah.. A1l the Bills aren't on ther .

Are they?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l, all that we have on the Calendar

is'on there.''

Lewis A. H. Caldwella ''Okay.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''It's on the Calendar there. You can

look Further discussion? Alright.. the question is,

'shall these Bills pass?'. A11 those in favor will vote -

'aye', and the opposed 'no'. Everybody... The gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Caldwell-''

Lewis A. Caldwelf: ''Mr. Speaker, I'd like to take one

moment to introduce the eighth Grade Class from the Parish

School in my District. They .are up here to my right.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take the rdcord. On this question,

there a6e ll3 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and each of these. e #

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Bills is hereby declared passed by the Constitutional major'ty.

Alright- with leave of the House, go back to Senate Bills

first reading. Senate Bill 1279.1'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Sehatp Bill 1279. First reading of the

Bil1.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. with leave of the House, we

go to House Bills Second reading, First legislative day.

House Bill 4317. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Carroll, who has a motion in regard to that.''

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Howard W. Carroll: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I move now to

suspend Rule 6 and any qther appropriate Rule which that al4..

Bill that was on the Consent Calendar, once being remcved,

gces to the crder of Second reading, First Legislative Day.

This particular Bill, 4317, was on the Consent Calendar -èro

11 to 12 days. And yesterday, it was remcved, which puts

it on our calendar on Second reading, First Legislative

Day. I ask that be ad/anced to Second Reading, be read

a second time so that it can be advanced to Third so that I

have a hearing on the Bill this Session-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Does the gentleman have leave? This

has been the Rule, so that can be put on Second Reading.

Second Day. Alright.. leave having been given, read 4317

a second time.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4317. Second reading of the

Bill. No Ccmmittee Amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Third reading. We're on

House Bills Second Readingk 3746.''.-d

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3746, a bill for an act tc ame d

'The Municipal Code'. Second reading of the Bill. No Com-

mittee Amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAny Amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4128..'' Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4128,.a bill for an Act in re-

lation to litkering. seccnd reading of the Bill. Three Com

mittee Amendments. Committee Amenzment No. amend IljrseBill 41...',

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l 6 2Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook

, Mr. Flec1Q.''charles J. Fleck: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

H8use, Committee Amendment No. l was placed cn the Bill und r

the advice of the Department of Conservation delete litteringfrom 'watereraft and water vessel'

.'

I move the adoption ofCommittee Amendment No.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any discussion? A11 those in favor ofthe adoption of committee 'No. say 'aye' oppcsed 'no'; #

the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there

further Amendments?''

Fredric B. Selcke: nCommittee Amendment No. 2, amend House

'Bill 4128 on page 1, andso- -.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fleck.''

Charles Fleck: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies ans Gentlemen of the

House, Committee Amendment No. is a modest appropriation

of $10,000 to the Department of Transportation to provide'litter receptables in areas under its' jurisdiction

. And Imove the adoption of Cop=ittee Amendment No

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? All those in favor of the

adoption of the Amendment say 'ayet opposed 'no' the 'ayesl# #have it and the Amendment is adopted

. Are there furtherAmendments?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Connittee Amendment No. 3, amend House Bill

4128 on page 5, line 8, andsoforth. ''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fleek-''

1 1 Fleck: ''Mr Speaker Ladies' and Gentlemen of theCnar es . ,

House, Committee Amendment No . rem'bves the authority of

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the Pollufion Control Board to adopt the State Ecology Sym-

bol. This is under the urging the Board. And I move th-

adoption cf Committee Amendment Nc. 3.'1

Hon. W. Robert élair: ''Alright.. now are going tc move to tab e

that Amendmenk? That's an appropriation Amendment. Tt was

called back into Committee it doesn't come off because

that was the basis upon which you markdd that out yesterday.''

u Charles J. Fleck: nl would like to table Amendment No. and

move the adoption of Amendment No. 3.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAlright.. We've adopted 1. Wedve

adopted Now, the gentleman is asking leave to table <

Amendment No. Alright.. Does the gentleman have leave?

A1 i ht He tables No. 2 bu't he offers No. The gentler g .. #

man from Cook, Mr'. Maragos.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker, rise on a point of persona)

privilegee and to inform the House that they are surrounded

by Members of the 30th District. Ah.. there are two Schools

from the Areak I would like the honor of introducing the o exM '

School and Representative Collins will have the honcr of in-

troducing the other Schcol. And, of course, our Senior Co1

league here, Representative Henry Lenard is the one who

knows 10th schools very well. I wculd like to introduce at

this time the Members of the Clay' Sqhool and Mrs. Roberta

Francisco, the Advisor. Would you please rise on the Demo-

cratic side of the Balcony.''

HQn. Robert Blair: ''.The balconies are not partisan, Sam.''

Samuel C. Maragop: nl know the the.. Mr. Collins will giv

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his announcement.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Oh.. Iowam ..sorry..'' Thc sentleman

from Cook, Mr. Pleckz'.

Charles Fleck: ''Mr. Speaker. was House Bill 4128 advanced

to Third readingan

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Alright. . Discussion? Al1 those in

favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' opposed#

'no ', the 'ayes. have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are

there further Amendments? Third reading. 4645.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 46. . . . Where is it? House Bil

4645 a bill for an Act to amend Section 4 of an 'Act to -

Township zoning'. seeond reading of the Bi2.l. one Commit-

tee Amendment. Amend House Bil1. . .'n

Hon. W. Robert Blair) nThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mcpartlin.''

Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

Amendment Ho. 1 removes the Township Fees for the location

of a generating station. I woul; move for the adoption of

Amend... Copmittee Amendment No.w-

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nDiscussion? All those in favor of the

adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'aye '# t

have and the Amendment is adopted. Are there further

Amendments ? Third re'ading . 4646 .' ''

Fredric B. Selcke: nHouse Bill 4646, a.bill for an act to add

Section 5Oa to 'An'Act concerning Public Utilities'. secon

reading of the Bill. One Committee Amendment. Amend HouseBill 4646 by striking 'all of Page

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''The gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . Mcpa rtlin . ''

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Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''AK.. Mr. Speaker, Amendment No. 1 re-

moves. Sections that authorize work during daylight hours

only. I would move for the adoption of Committee Amendment

No.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? A1l those in favor of ihe

adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'aye '' #

have it and the Amendment is adopted. Are there further

Amendments? constitutional Amendment. First Reading. H.J. .C.

Amendment

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Joint Resolution Constitutional

Amendment 13. First reading.''

Hon . W . Robert Bla i.r : ''H . J . R . C .A . G'15 . ''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''H.J.R. Constitutional Amendment l5. Firs

reading.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Committee Reports and Messages.'' '

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Committee Reports. Mr. Randolph, from 'thè

on Revenue, to which House Bill 3618 was referred, reported

the same back with amendments thereto, with the recommenda-

tion that the amendments be adopted and that the bill, as

amended, do not pass. Mr. Randolph, from the Committee on

Revenue, to which House Bill 566 was referred, reported the

same back with amendments thereto, with the recommendation

that the amendments be adopted and that the bill, as amende ,' do pass. Mr. Randolph, .from the Committee on Revenue, to

which House Bill 4295 was referred, reported the same back

with the amendments thereto, with t%e recommendation that

the amendments be adopted and the bi'll. What does that

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mean? Bill be re-ferred to Appropriations. Mr. Randolph,

from the Committee on Revenue, to which House Bill 4644 was

referred, reported the same back with the recommendation

that the bill do pass. Mr. Bladey, from the Committee on

Conservation and Water Resources, to which House Joint Reso

lution 129 was reported and referred the same back with the

recommendaticn that the resolution do not adopt.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Messàges from the Senate.''

Fredric Selcke: ''A message from the Senate by Mr. Wright,

Secretary: Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform the House

of Representatives that the Senate has refused to recede

from their amenelellts to a bill of the follcwing title,

to House Bill 518. Action taken by the Senate, May 4, 1972.

By Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Speaker af direeted

to inform the House of iepresentatives that the Senate has

concurred with the House in the passage of bills of the '

following title, House Bill 3633, 3634, 3635. Passed by

the Senate, May ll, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr.

Speaker am directed to inform the House of Representati es

that the Senate has passed a bill of the following title, i

the passage of which I am instructed to ask the concurrence

of the House. Senate Bill 1381. Passed May 11, 1972, Ken-

neth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker I am direcLed to in-

form the House of Reprdsentatives that the Senate has passe

the bill.s of the following titles, in the passage of which

I am instructed to ask the concurrence oftthe House. senat.

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1449, 1454, 1458, 1471, 1487, 1504, 1512, 1517, 1530 and

1532. Passed by the Senate, May 1l, 1972, Kenneth Wright,' Secretary. Mr. Speakerq- I am directed to inform the Hous

of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with the

House in the passage of a bill of the following title.

House Bill 3030, together with the following amendment ther -

to, in the adoption of which I am instructed to ask the con

currence of the House. Passed by the Senate, May ll, 1972

Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker am directed to

inform the House of Representatives that the Sçnate has con

curred with the House in the passage of a bill of the fol-

lowing title. House Bill 3544, together with the following

amendment, in the adoption of which I am instrueted to àsk

the concurrence of the House. Passed by the senate, May l1,

1972, Kenneth Wright, secretary. No further Messages.l'

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. ah.. in order to comply with

the Constitution, we have to get back to Constitutional

Amendment First reading and have that H .J.R.C.A. *l5 read

in full-''

Eredric B. Selcke: ''okay-''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Sheae for

what purpose do you rise?''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, the Joint Rules of the two

Houses and I refer you to House Joint Rule 4. Prohibits

the introduction of a Constitutional Amendment to the State

Constitution after April.. Now, I would like, if I might,

nzling from the Chair on the date khat this. . . this con-

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stitutional Amendment to the State Constitution was intro-

duced and how that complies with the Joint Rules.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemap from Mcllenry: Mr. Lihd-

berg-''

George W. Lindberg: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, I think that you'll

find that the Journal will reflect the Resolution to the

Constitutional Amendment No. 15 was indeed introduced be-

fore the last day for the introducticn of Constitutional

Amendments. It has been through Committee and it is now on

the order of First reading- ah . . before this House.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Cook , Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, I would also like to urge the

same point with referenee to the Constitutional Amendpent

*13. the so called Equal Rights Amendment, that April kste

was not observed in the filing of tha't Resoluticn.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. . the Clerk advises that ah. .

with respect to H.J.R.C. *lS that is was introduced on

' April 24th. Which.- would be later than that which is pro-.Avided for under Joint Rule 4, which says 'that no resolutio

providing for a Constitutional Amendment shall be introducein the House or the Senate after April th'e lst in a

ny regu-lar Session'. The gentleman from Mcilenry, Mr. Lindberg.''

'' 1 ker I would like to have George W. Lindberg: Wel , Mr. spea .

a ruling as to whether this is regular Session in that

regard '' '

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''Well a11 . . this rule was was actual y

adapted and adopted prior to the time that the new Consti-

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tution was adopted. would take it to mean that regular

session means a Session that ah.. is a continuous Sessian

in much of the sense that the first six months of the bi-

ennium ah.. is a regular Session. This is a regular Sessio

interpretation. For what purpose does the gentleman from

CoLk, Mr. Fleck, rise?''

Charles J. Fleck: ''A parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker.

have in front of me a copy of the Journal of the State

Senate which convened on October 16, 1907, wherein, the

Senate suspended the Joint Rules of the House and the Senat ,

proceeded with business of which a Joint Resolution of ad-

jou rnment for the House and Senate did not provide for. I

would ask that for a parliamentary ruling whether as the

Senate did in 1907, the House of Representatives at this

time may suspend the Joint Rules and proceed with the intro

duetion and the passage of a particular resolution at hand. '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, ah.. if.ah.. such a motion is.xA '

placed before the floor ah.., the Chair will consider iE at

that time. Right now, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea,

has raised a question up whether this H.J.R.C.A. *1) ah..

complies with the prpvision of House Rule 4. And the Chair, s

ruling with regard to that is that it does not ah.. as that

rule is on the books. Now ah.. The gentleman from Cook,

Atr . Hyde . '' ' . 'Henry Hyde : '' I would like to hear the Speaker repeeit thosei . .

words with reference to '*13 as we1l.''#

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Wel1 naw with regard to *13. That's

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a ratification ah- rather than the ah.. a resolution pro-

viding for a Constitutional Amendment. It's a resolution

. ah.. that provides for the ratifieation of a Constitutional

Amendmen: which has passed the United States Ccngress. And

for that reason, I would that that H.J.R. 4 is not applicab e

to ah.. I.I.J.R.C.A. *13.'.

Henry J. Hyde: ''Well if I may respectfully quote the rule,

no resolution prbviding for a Constitutional Amendment. I

interpret as a Resolution which does provide for amend-

ing the Federal Constitution. And appreciate the sophist'-

cation of the distinction, but I respeetfully submit ah . . o

let's put it this way, if that is the speaker's ruling,

will respectfully dipsent, therefrom.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l, I certainly understand the thrus

of ah.. of your remarks. Ah . . but ah.. literal interpre-

tation says and I agree that it is a Resolution and the

point of interpretation is that this says providing for a

Constitutional Amendment. What this really provides fcr is.A*

a ratification of an Amendment to the U .S. Constitution. A d

I think that there is a distinction between a proposal that

is a Resolution for an Amendment and one 'that provides for

ratification of an Amendment. Th: gentleman from Cook, Mr.

Phil Collins.''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, Ladi es and Gentlemen

of the House, forgive me for interrupting, but I would like

to introduce ah.. the students, Parents and Faculty of St.

George School from the 30th Disurict Chicago, represente

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by Representative Maragos, Lenard and Myself. 'Pheydre in th

Gallery here and I would like to ask the Members to greet

them-M

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carter.''

James Y. Carter: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, I would like à point of

clarification from the Chair, I eould? I have just beenhanded an Amendment to House 'Bi1l 4557 and 4558, which the

way I read it, would combine those two Bills. Although,

I'm not certain. Ah.. this is the first time I've seen

these Amendments, the first time Ralph Hanley'has ever show d

up with them. Now, I want to know this. If for some reaso ,

it would be agreeable...''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ah.. you knour... we have a matuer pend'ng

on the floor which we should resolve before we...''

James Y. Carter: ''Well, you resolve that and then I will con-

tinue my inquiry-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''I will certainly recognize you at the

appropriate time. Ah.. now Mr. Lindberg, we're back on ah..

the.. I guess the ah.. *l5 and ah.. and the question is on

the introduction.''

George W. Lindberg: ''Wel1 Mk. Speaker ah.. Representative#

Shea has questioned the introducEion of this Bill and. of

course, ah.. I think it comes to late. The Bill was intro-

duced and was accepted by the Clerk of the House. was

assigned by the Speaker to the Copmlittee. It was called by

the Chairman. It was hezrd. No objection was made in the

Conaittee Hearing and I don't think we're at a proper pro-

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cedure on our Calendar for an objeètion to be sustained to

the introduction of a Bill. The Bill has;- The Resolukion

has been introdueed and we'r/ now at the point of First

reading and there are no rules.. joint rules relating towhether a Bill can be read ah.. first, second or third time.

It's already in the House-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Wel1, I don't really consider that H.J...

or that the Joint Rule 4 or no.. that Joint Rule 4 is one

that is susceptible of being waived because the time... or

the objection no being timely raised. The gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Juckett.'' '

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, the distinguished Assistant Minority Leader rais d

the cbjection in 'the F-ecutive Committee when this Resolu-tion was being heard. And 1, as Chairman, ruled that the

House Committee was operating under the House Rules. And

if there was a conflict between 'the House and the House Joi t

Rules that we would proceed under the House Rules and ifzy '

there was a valid objection, it could only be raised in the

Senate. And as long as the House Rules apply, we could pro

ceed and we could hear, and we could further the business

on this particular Resolution.u

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''Wel1, to thd extend that there is

conflict between the House Rules and the Joint Rules, it

would be the Chairs' ruling that the Joint Rules would,

where they effect a specific matter, such as question of in

troduction in the House or Senate after April 1, in any

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regular session of a Ccnstitutional Amendment thak. the Hous.

Rules would be superseded by the Joinu Rules. The gentle-

men from McHenry, Mr. Lindberg.''

George W. Lindbe'rg: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, know that everyone

is anxious to ah.. get out of here and I won't pursue it

any further, except I'm submitting a written motion pursuan

to'the decision ah.. referred to by Re/resentative Fleck,

that the House ah.. suspend Joint Rule 4 to pet= it the in-

troduction of the First reading of this Resolution for Con-

stitutional Amendment No. setting the precedent establi hed

by the Senate in 1907. And I would ask for a ruling *

on that particular issue, Mr. Speaker.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman .from Ccok, Mr. Shea-''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Af the time the Parliamentarian checking

that, he might also, I ask the Chair to look at Section 2

of Article 14 called Constitption Revision. It asks ah..

to look at Section 2a wherein. Jnd I'm quoting a particular

part. 'The General Election next occurring at least six..A '

months after such legislative approval', which makes it im-

possible for this Body to consider, and approve in b0th

Houses and get on the ballot in the '72 Election.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, I don'.t.... With regard to that

particular point, I don't thihk iha% limits the situation

because if it were to pass within the six month period whil

it would not be able to be on the General Election this Fa1

it would be able to be on the General Election in 1974, un-

less ah.. it was removed, I think by a majority vote, at

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a later date under the Constitution . ''

Gerald W . Shea : says ' that the General Election next

Ocourring' 1'Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''That... That... next oecurring after

the six months and so you take the date of final passage

and the one next occurring after the six months would ex-

pire would be in November, 1974. Alright.. with the regqrd

to the question of... on the gentleman's motion to suspend

Joint Rule 4 with reference to H.J.R.C.A. *l5 to be read

now the first time and withouk having to rely upon supreme

court decisions will be the Chair's ruling that that is a

proper motion. And that it can't be entertained. state

your point. The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matejevich.'''

John S. Matejevieh: ''It may not be a point of order by a poin

of inquiry. Mr. Chairman, does that mean that only one Bod

can suspend a Joint Rule or would it have to be further sus

pended in the Senatea''Hon. W . Robeert Blair: .'1.11 have to re-read my interpretation.

You have to start with the suspension of the Joint Rules

someplaee and that would be either in the House or the Sena e.

And ah.. we can start it here and if it were to be suspende

here and than if the matter were'then to go over into the

Senate, they would have to address themselves to a suspen-

sion of the Joint Rule, too. Itds a practical matter. I

would think that would be the only way that it could work .

out. Yes, the gentleman has so moved with regard to the su -

pension. The gentleman from Cook, Mr- Harold Washingtcn.''

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Harold Washington: Parliamenkary inquiry, Speaker.

Having ruled now, does that mean that H.J.R. goes to Com-

mitteea''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''No, it's been there. The H.J.R. *15

has been in Committee and is now out on the Calendar, First

reading.''

Harold Washington: nBut, I interpreted the ruling to mean

something that the Joint Rules were waived and the Bill

could be introduced. But tbe Bill has already been intro-

duced, been to Committee, and is back on the floor. Now,

doep ruling operate abinitio? Does he just file it today .

and send it to Exec.. or whata''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l I'consider it to be a ah.. a# .

motion which will ah- render ah.. this defect a%.. harmless.''

Harold Washington: ''Impune, you mean?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.''

Harold Washington: ''Procedure defecis prior to this?''

Hoh. W . Robert Blair: ''Yes... Yes, I think that the gentleman's.M '

objection is timely one concerning ah.. Joint Rule 4. It's

the first time the Chair has had occasion to rule on that,

because the question hasn't been raiàed prior ah.. to this

time. And ah..' the Resolution has progressed through the

normal House Procedures. And ahz. so ah.. Now, we're con-

cerned with the question of the introduetion having been

a valid one. And if the rule suspended. then that in-

troduetion would have beén valid. Therefore, the acuions

of the House tlRat f ollowed subsequent to that would also

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be valid . The gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . Shea . ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Does it tqke 89 affit%ative votes to suspend

Joint Rule?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Lindbe g.''

George W. Lindberg: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, would like to have tl e

opportunity to do some research on this matter over the

weekend. I wonder if we might have leave to take out

of the record.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Ah-.Does the gentleman have

leavê? And what we'll do is put it.. We'll leave it on the

order of First reading, but with the gentleman's ah.. ques-

tion ah.. the objection still being valid as things now

stand. The gentleman from Cook. Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Is it my understanding that it takes'89 votes

to suspend the Joint Rulês as far as the House goesa''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''When... That question ah.. has to be

answered, tlae Chair should be prepared. Alright.. The gentl -

man from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Ehea: ''Could you kind of run that one by me real

quick again?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''That's what I did the first time. The

agreed resolutions. Do you have those? Well now, the gentl -

man from Cook, Mr. Carter, was on some point.''' James Y. Carter: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, don't have a point. 1'

making a.... Well, maybe it is a point. I'm requesting some

information from the Speaker. And 'ah.. sorry, that I

interrupted yotu but this thing rather upset me. So, I

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was not aware that this other debate was going on. So,

apologize for that. But, if you remember, I had House Bill

j d and p' resently4 57, 4558 and 4559 in. They were amende

those Nnendments ah.. are in the Bill Room. Now, the way

I read this Amendment, and could be wrong. it would coh-

solidate House Bills 4557, and 4558. Now, my inquiry to

the Chair is this. I'm perfectly aware of the fact that

under the Rules of the House that I can bring that back

to second reading for the purpose of an Amendment on Monday.

But where am 1, Mr. Speaker, in the event the Printer doesn't

get that Amendment back because it's a rather lenghty Amend

ment? Or can I'move to suspend the Rules for that one

particular Bill or those particular Bills. I'm in a bind.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Right.. and ah.. there's going' to be a

motion to ah.. to extend on non-exempt Bills one day un' til

Monday and at that time, I would suggest, we can go to thcs

Bills that are on Third reading. If you desire to have the

brought back to second reading for the purposes o' f whatever

Amendment you have, the Chair will certainly entertain that.'.

James Y. Carter: ''l am perfectly satisfied, Mr. Speaker, with

the Amendments that we have. But this is one that the De-

partment of Transportation brought over here that I haven't

had a chance to even look at. Well I would like....''#

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l, look at it over the weekend-''

James Y. Carter: ''Okay. Then on Monday, 1.11 ask you, if the

Printer doesn't get it out, to let 'me have Tuesday .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We11 you can teserve your motion ther

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hcwever you want to handle it . ''

James Y. Carter : '' Thank you , Mr . Speaker . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Your welcome. Agreed Resolutions-''

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Resolutions- . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ogle, Mr. Brinkmeie ,

for what purpose do you rise?''

Rcbert E. Brinkmeier: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House,would like to have unanimous consent to be recorded as voti g

'aye' on House Bill 4218 yesterday. It will nct change the

outcome of the vote. In a matter of fact, there's not a

dissehking vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. . . Is there objection? Thegentleman's request will be granted. Going to do the

Agreed Resolutions?''

Fredrie B. Seleke: ''House Resolution 608, Collins, et-al.

House éesclution 609. Colitz, et-al. House Resolution 610,Tipsword. et. House Resolution 614

, Choate. House

Resolutipn 615, Hirschfeld. House Resolution 616, McAvoy.

House Resoluticn 617, Schisler. House Resolution 618,

Schneider, et.al. House Resolution 620, O'Brien, et-al.

House Resolution 621, Tipswbrd, et.al. House Resolution

622. Granata, et-al. House Resolftion 623, Granata, etoal.House Resolution 624, Collins, et .al. House Resolution 625

,

Collins, et-al. House Resoluticn 626 Maragos, et.al.#

House Resolution 627, Hirschfeld, et.al. House Joint Resol -

tion 13Oe Pary, et.al. Hbuse Joint Resolution 131, Ed

Madigan, et . al . House Joint Res clution 2.32 , Douglas , et . al . 11

' .i ? ( -7>*.:f. G E N E It A L A S S E :1 11 L Y( tj tg.-w. 5. . . . .

s és .;.,.1' : : s'r AT il o i' ' t-t-'a c, 's$: *1?, .=' ,. - 1: o u s (: o s !. c 1- r' c s c h' v a 4. ' v es j

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Ilon . W . Robert Blair : ''The gentleman f'rom Cook, Mr . Hyde . ''

I'Ienry J'. Hyde : ''Ah . . Mr . Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House , The Agreed Resolution 608 is a memorial to Rever end

Thomas J. Brennan of Notre Dame. 609 urges restoration of

Funds for Music, Art and Physical Ed in the Chicagc Public

Schools. 61O congratulates the Citizens of Morrisonville

for their contributions to the State of Illinois upon their

100th Anniversary. House Resolution 614 congratulates the

ah.. Honorable Harry S. Truman, 33rd President of the Unite

States upon his 88th Birthday. House Resolution 615 congra u-

latps Christine Benton of Champaign for her heroic effort .

in saving a ah.. human life. House Resolution 616 congratu

lates scout Bevignani on his'attainment of the Eagle Scout

rank. House Resolution 6l7 commends Mr. Dnma Sieben and

Miss Beulah Rock, for their 43 and 35 years of faitbful

ice to the community of Yates City, Illinois. House'serv

Resolution 6l8 commends Gil Dodds on his 25th Anniversary' of his record mile run. House Resolution 620 commends and

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congratulates the West View Junior High School Band of

Romeoville. House Resolution 621 congratulates the citizens

of Cowden as they prepare for their dentennial. House Rescl -ticn 622 is a me'morial resolution to David Chesrow of Chicag

.

Hcuse Resolution 623 is a memoria'l to Frank Colucci of

Chicago. House Resolution ah.. Is Mr. Fary present?

Fredric B. Selcke: ''No... No..''

Henry J. Hyde: ''We1l, House Joint Resolution l3O ah.. is a ver' ah.. fine resolubion and ah.. I think it honors ah.. Tavern

%ç. ; $. .. t$ ?. : ' -'-' .4 G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y(

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t ' x ,. . . ,i 1 ç 1 '. - . . SY/NTE o F' I t-Ll h' O'f;(, .. -.. , sV 'i . HotJ stl (7 F RIIr 'RIJï9ESe4YATIVtXS.v ' s.

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Day or Tavern Week. We'1l give that a little better explanc-

tion . in a minute . House Joint Resolution 13l highly and

sineerely commends the students of Hubbard High School for

their cleanup drive. House Joint Resolution l32 ah . . mem-

orializes the Illinois Legislative Investigating Colnmission

to undertake an investigation of the Automobile Repair In-

dustry. House Resolution 624 congratulates Marion Skoronsk'.

House Resolution 625 congratulates Samuel Nowinson.

House Resolution 626 is a memorial to Alex Janoski. And ah..

that completes the ah . .Agreed kesolutions except tc return

to House Resolution l3O which is. . . House Joint Resolution

which is an exp/ession of thankfulness to a1l the Tavern

Owners ah.. in the State OE Illinois. I move the adoption

of the Agreed Resolutions. One more? House Resoluvion627. I'm sorry House 27. will go to Committee

. House

Resolution 627 is an Agrmed Resolution and it creates

Special House Committee known as the House Alcoholism Study

Committee. And ah..I move the adoption cf the Agreed Resol -

tions . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. All those in favor of the

adoption of the Agreed Resolutiong say 'aye' opposed 'no'# #

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the 'ayes' prevail and the Agreed Resolutions are adopted.

Are there further Resolutionsa''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Further Resolutiops. . House Resolution

612, Harold Washington, et.al. House Resolution 613, Jaffe,et.al. House Resolution 619, Raysoh, Jaffe, et.al-''

Hon . W . l'obert Blair : ''q'he gentlemetn f 'rom Cook , Kr . Hyde . '.

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Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies 8nd Gentlemen of the House,

1'11 ask leave to take House Joint Resolution 132 which ah..

requesks the Illinois Investigating Commission to undertake

an investigaEion of the Automobile Repair Industry out of

the list of Agreed Resolutions and ask that it be assigned

to Committee.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Does thë gentleman have leave?

That one was inadvertently read in the Agreed Resolutions

List. Okay. Having leave, then we'll pull that out of the

Agreed Resolutions and ah.. it having been read, it'll be

cn the Speakers' Table until it is assigned. Now, have you '

read the rest of the Resolutions? Alright.. just two Bills

for introducticn and that wiil be it.''

Fredric B. Selcke: '''House Bill 4662, Harpstrite, appropriation

of $5.500 dollars to the Collinsville Chamber of Commerce.

First reéding of the Bill. House Bill 4663, Gene Hoffman,

appropriate $787,800,000 dollars from the common schpol'fund to the Superintendent of Public Instruction . First

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reading of the Bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr- Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker: and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I'd like to, at this time,.move to suspend ah.. the

provisions of Rule 32c and 32d t& permit ah.. non-exempt

Bills ah.. to be heard on Monday rather than today-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: Alright.. Hearing no objection, the Rule

will be suspended for the purpose of extending the date for

passage of House Bills until ah.. Monday, May l5. The gentl -

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man f rom Cook, Mr. Bem an . ''

Arthur Berman ; ''Mr . Speaker, think tina t. i f: has ' been our

precedent in the past run a roll call on thege waivers.on the rules. and tbink that we would be safer that

way. I'm sure...''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. . I'm sure that's true- . that's

true and we will take a roll call vote. All those in favor

of the motion to suspend will vote 'ayeu 'and the opposed'no '. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk will take therecord. On'khis question, there are l04 'Ayes', and no'Nays', and the motion prevails

. Now, the gen tlemanfrom Cook, Hyde .

''

Henry Hyde: 'I1 now mcve, Mr. Speë.ker that this House do

stand adjourned for purposes of a plenary session till2:00 P.M . on Monday, May 15 and until 1:00 P

.M. on Mohday,May 15 for the Committee of the sçhole

.''

Hon. W. Robart Blair: nAlright. . A11 those in favor the

adjournment motion say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes' haveik and we-i re adjourned . ''

Ad ' ournment at 2 : 00 O ' Clcck P M3 .. - . . . - .

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