Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
-
Upload
honolulu-star-advertiser -
Category
Documents
-
view
220 -
download
0
Transcript of Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
1/22
ETHICS COMMISSION
CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU
Date and Place: May 13, 201
Standa!d F"nanc"al Pla#a
C$n%e!ence &$$', S("te 211
P!e)ent: *aty C+en, E)-, C+a"!
M"c+ael A- L"lly, E)-, ."ce C+a"!
Ste/+en S"la, C$''"))"$ne!
H$n- &"" A'an$ !et-, C$''"))"$ne!
H$n- ."ct$!"a Ma!) !et-, C$''"))"$ne!
H$n- Allene S(e'$!" !et-, C$''"))"$ne!
C+a!le) 4- T$tt$, E5ec(t"e D"!ect$! and Le6al C$(n)el EDLC
La(!"e A- 4$n6, A))$c"ate Le6al C$(n)el ALC
Let+a A- S- DeCa"!e), Ine)t"6at$!7e$%%!ey *a', De/(ty C$!/$!at"$n C$(n)el, De/a!t'ent $% t+e
C$!/$!at"$n C$(n)el CO&
*e$" *e!!, &e/$!te!, Ha8a"" Ne8) N$8
A9)ent: Stan%$!d Y(en, C$''"))"$ne!
Sten$6!a/+e!): L")a P- Pa!e!, Le6al Cle! III
*!")t"ne I- "6$!n"a, Le6al Cle! I
C+a"! C+en: Oay- T+an y$(- M$"n6 $n t$ Ite' C %$! act"$n, a &e(e)t
%$! M$t"$n t$ A//!$e and Ad$/t t+e Ne8) &elea)e P$l"cy; and t+en
8e can d")c())- S$, can I +ae a '$t"$n, /lea)e<
S"la: S$ '$e-
L"lly: Y$( 'ade a '$t"$n<
S"la: I )a"d )$ '$e-
L"lly: Sec$nd-
*The Motion to Approve and Adopt refers to the document labeled as
OPEN-7 in the meeting materials for the 6!"#$ meeting that %ou
re&uested and 'ere provided to %ou earlier toda%( The media polic% that
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
2/22
'as passed at toda%)s meeting is OPEN-7 in the meeting materials 'e
gave %ou toda%(
C+a"! C+en: Oay- S$, 8e can d")c())- T+e!e=) t8$ /$l"c"e) act(ally- One
/!$/$)ed 9y t+e C$''"))"$n )ta%% and t+en $ne t+at C$''"))"$ne!
A'an$, I 9el"ee ye)te!day d")t!"9(ted<
A'an$: Yea+-
L"lly: 4+"c+ 8a) t+at $ne<
A'an$: O/en t$>
Se('$!": I) t+at t+") $ne<
C+a"! C+en: L$$) t+e )a'e? yea+-
EDLC T$tt$: It )ay) @D!a%t H$n$l(l( Et+"c) C$''"))"$n Med"a P$l"cy $n
t+e t$/-
C+a"! C+en: And t+en t+e $ne 8"t+ t+e l$6$ ") t+e )ta%% $ne-
S(e'$!": T+at $ne I d$n=t +ae-
C+a"! C+en: T+") $ne y$( d$n=t +ae? $ay- S$, C$''"))"$ne! A'an$8$(ld y$( l"e B()t t$ tal () t+!$(6+ y$(! /!$/$)al<
A'an$: 4ell, I )et $(t a /$l"cy %$! t+e )tate'ent 8+"c+ %$ll$8), I t+"n
8+"c+ t!aced $(! '"))"$n and t!ac) ee!yt+"n6 8e +ae $(t t+e!e
"ncl(d"n6 "n 8e9)"te- And t+en I )et $(t, I !e)ea!c+ed )$'e d"%%e!ent
"nd) $% 'ed"a /$l"c"e) 9(t I t+$(6+t t+") 8a) t+e 9e)t c$'/"lat"$n $% a
6$$d /!$ced(!e- Y$( n$8, $(! 'ed"a "nte!act"$n ") e!y, e!y
"'/$!tant- eca()e $nce y$( /(t "t $(t t+e!e "t=) al'$)t l"e d"6"tal-It=) n$t 6$nna 6$ a8ay- 4e +ae t$ 9e ca!e%(l 8"t+ +$8 8e /(t "t $(t
t+e!e and 8+at 8e /(t $(t t+e!e- And, I t+"n "t=) e!y "'/$!tant t$
+ae /e$/le $te /!$act"e and !eact"e 9eca()e )$'et"'e) 8e d$ 6et "%
)$'e$ne el)e )a"d )$'et+"n6 !at+e! $! )$'et+"n6 +a) 9ec$'e
ne8)8$!t+y, and 8e %eel t+e need t$ !eact-
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
3/22
(t $t+e! t"'e) 8e +ae a l$t $% "'/$!tant "n%$!'at"$n t+at 8e 8ant t$ 6et
$(t t+e!e, )$ I +$/e t+") /$l"cy 8$(ld c$e! 9$t+ "nd) $% act""t"e)- It=)
e!y 6ene!al- I t+"n "t=) /!etty clea!, and I t!y t$ 9lend "n 8+at t+e )ta%%
+ad /!$/$)ed 8+"c+ y$( )ee "n Ite' N$- and al)$ Ite' N$- -
C+a"! C+en: S$, 8+at d$ y$( t+"n $% t+") "na(d"9le d"%%e!ence) 9et8een
y$(!) and t+e )ta%%=) e!)"$n<
A'an$: T+e 9"66e)t d"%%e!ence ") t+at 8e 9e%$!e 8e +ae a 'ed"a !elea)e $%
any "nd, 8+"c+ 8$(ld 9e t+e !e)/$n)"9"l"ty $% $(! e5ec(t"e d"!ect$!, "t
8$(ld 9e !e"e8ed 8"t+ $(! C+a"! %!$' t+e C$''"))"$n, "% /$))"9le- I%
t"'e d$e) n$t /e!'"t t+at t+en t+e!e=) an$t+e! 8ay t$ d$ "t- It=) "n t+e
/$l"cy a) 8ell- T+at=) t+e 9"66e)t d"%%e!ence-
C+a"! C+en: Oay- I d"dn=t ("te (nde!)tand N$- 2, 8+"c+ 8a) @(nde! n$c"!c(')tance) )+all any 'ed"a, c$''(n"cat"$n en6a6e, etc-, etc-, etc-,
$! "nte!/!et $! c$''ent $n any dec")"$n) $! ad")$!y $/"n"$n)- I B()t
8$nde! a9$(t (nde! n$ c"!c(')tance) t$ a"! c$nce!n) "na(d"9le
!e6a!d"n6 t+e $/e!at"$n) $% t+e Et+"c) C$''"))"$n- I% t+at=) 'ay9e t$$
9!$ad 9eca()e, I 6(e)), +$8 /!act"cal ") t+at< O/e!at"$n) $% t+e Et+"c)
C$''"))"$n c$(ld 9e>
S(e'$!": (t "t c$nce!n) $% 6!"eance)-
C+a"! C+en: Yea+- I 'ean, "t c$(ld B()t een 9e l"e t+") ") t+e 9(d6et and
y$( 8$(ldn=t 9e a9le t$ c$''ent $n t+e 9(d6et-
S(e'$!": I d$n=t t+"n /(9l"cly- S+$(ld 8e /(9l"cly<
C+a"! C+en: 4ell, I t+"n t+at %$! e5a'/le 8+en t+e!e=) c$(nc"l 'eet"n6) and
t+ey +ae /e$/le 6$ and tal a9$(t 9(d6et $! 8+atee! t+e ca)e 'ay 9e-I=' B()t 8$nde!"n6 "% t+at=) B()t )$ 9!$ad, ") "t /!act"cal< 4+at=) t+e
/(!/$)e 9e+"nd t+at ") B()t t$ 'ae )(!e>
S(e'$!": It=) a 9$(nda!y-
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
4/22
A'an$: Yea+-
C+a"! C+en: S$, I 6(e)), t+") ") (nde! n$ c"!c(')tance) at all< It )ee'), d$e)
"t )ee' /a!t"c(la!ly /!act"cal>
S(e'$!": It=) (nde! n$ c"!c(')tance) +$8 any 'ed"a c$''(n"cat"$n)- S$,
"t=) 'ed"a c$''(n"cat"$n- I% +e=) "n t+e C"ty C$(nc"l and t+e C$(nc"l
") +a"n6 a 'eet"n6 and t+e 'ed"a ") t+e!e- T+at=) a 'ed"ac$''(n"cat"$n- T+at=) a c$''(n"cat"$n 8"t+ t+e C$(nc"l t+at=) 9e"n6
c$e!ed 9y t+e 'ed"a- (t "t=) n$t 'ed"a c$''(n"cat"$n- It=) n$t
d"!ectly )ay"n6, @+e!e, t+") ") 8+at I=' )ay"n6- He=) d$"n6 "t "t t+e
C$(nc"l, May$!, 8+atee! $! ()-
I t+"n "t=) B()t, I 'ean, I t+"n a 9$(nda!y t$ n$t )(9'"t t$ t+e ne8)/a/e! $!t+e T. a 9"tc+ a9$(t A, $! C ") n$t a 6$$d t+"n6- Unle)), y$( 6(y)
a6!ee, d")a6!ee- 4e )+$(ld 6$ "nt$ t+e 'ed"a and )(9'"t $(! 9"tc+-(t, I d$n=t t+"n )$-
L"lly: I d$n=t n$8- F"!)t $% all, I d$n=t 8+at t+at "), and I d$n=t>
S(e'$!": T+e!e ")n=t any-
L"lly: +$8 t$ de%"ne "t-
S(e'$!": T+at=) 8+y I=' B()t )ay"n6- 4e B()t 8ant t$ 9$(nda!y $! )+$(ld
8e +ae n$ 9$(nda!y<
L"lly: T+at=) 8+y !eally (d6e A'an$=) "n"t"al )(66e)t"$n d$ 8e +ae a
/$l"cy and t+at=) 8+at t+ey +ad 8$!ed (/ a d!a%t-
S(e'$!": &"6+t-
L"lly: N$8, B(d6e +a) a d"%%e!ent "na(d"9le- I=' c$nce!ned a9$(t 2- 2
)ee')>I=d 9e +a!d /!e))ed "% I 8a) "n C+(c=) /$)"t"$n t$ %"6(!e "t $(t
8+en "t 8a) I c$(ldn=t tal 8"t+ t+e 'ed"a $! n$t 8+en 6"en N$- 2-
Sec$ndly, and I d$n=t '"nd t+e "dea t+at "% +e=) 6$"n6 t$ "))(e a /!e))
!elea)e t+at +e c$ntact A, $! 'e $! "% 8e=!e n$t a!$(nd )$'e9$dy $n
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
5/22
t+e C$''"))"$n t$ l$$ at t+e /!e)) !elea)e- T$ 'e I d$n=t t+"n t+at=)
9ad- (t t+") $ne a9$(t t+e' "na(d"9le a9$(t 6ett"n6 /!"$! 8!"tten
a//!$al>
A'an$: T+at=) any9$dy el)e? n$t +"'- T+e a(t+$!"#at"$n c$'e) %!$' +"', "% "t=) any9$dy el)e 9(t +"'-
L"lly: O+- S$, $ay- S$, 8e d$n=t c$''(n"cate and t+e )ta%% d$)en=t>
A'an$: I% 8e dec"de t+at an Et+"c) C$''"))"$ne!, M!- S"la, %$! "n)tance ")
t+e a//!$/!"ate /e!)$n t$ )/ea $n )$'et+"n6 t+at 8e 8ant t$ n$t"%y t+e
/(9l"c a9$(t t+en t+at=) a dec")"$n t+at all $% () 'ae t$6et+e! $! t+e
EDLC 'ae)- T+en +e B()t 6"e) a 8!"tten a(t+$!"#at"$n t$ M!- S"la
and +e 6$e) $(t and d$e) "t-
S(e'$!": S$ 8e d$n=t +ae %$(! C$''"))"$ne!) all tal"n6 t+e"!$/"n"$n) and 6$"n6 t$ t+e 'ed"a-
A'an$: Yea+- It=) c$nt!$lled and "t=) c$nt!$lled 9y t+e EDLC-
L"lly: I) "t a 8!"tten a//!$al $! can t+ey call Acad"a, )ay, @+ey, I 6$t
c$ntacted 9y *e$" *e!!, 8+at d$ I d$
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
6/22
L"lly: Te5t"n6-
L"lly: I d$n=t ca!e %$! Ite' 2-
S(e'$!": T+at=) an$t+e! t+"n6- S$, t+en>
A'an$: 4ell, t+e!e=) t8$ /a!t) t$ Ite' 2-
S(e'$!": Any c"!c(')tance) "na(d"9le-
A'an$: S$, "t=) !eally "na(d"9le c$nce!n) and 6!"eance) !e6a!d"n6 t+e
c$''"))"$n- T+at=) !eally 8+at "t ")-
C+a"! C+en: S$, t+e "nte!/!ete! c$''ent $n (nde! n$ c"!c(')tance) t$"nte!/!et $! c$''ent-
A'an$: Yea+, t+at=) a )e/a!ate "))(e- Inte!/!et $! c$''ent $n $(! dec")"$n)
$! ad")$!y $/"n"$n)- T+$)e +ae t$ )/ea %$! t+e')ele)- T+at=) 8+y
I /(t "t (nde! t+at 8ay-
Ma!): And t+at t!ac) 8+at t+e )ta%% d!a%ted, !"6+t<
A'an$: Yea+, 8+at 8e a//!$e-
Ma!): Yea+- Sta%% )+$(ld !e%!a"n %!$' "nte!/!et"n6 t+e $/"n"$n-
C+a"! C+en: Yea+- (t I d$n=t t+"n t+at 6$e) a) %a! a) t$ )ay (nde! n$
c"!c(')tance) can y$( c$''ent-
S(e'$!": N$t y$(, +"'-
C+a"! C+en: &"6+t-
S"la: 4ell, +e 8$n=t 9e a9le c$''ent $n a ad")$!y>
S(e'$!": T+e c$(!t dec"de) t$ "))(e t+e dec")"$n>y$(! $/"n"$n $n y$(!
dec")"$n-
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
7/22
L"lly: T+at=) B(d6e), t+at=) d"%%e!ent- 4e=!e n$t B(d6e +e!e- T+") ") a Et+"c)
C$''"))"$n 8+$)e !e)/$n)"9"l"ty a'$n6 $t+e! t+"n6) ") t$ ed(cate t+e
/(9l"c and $t+e! e'/l$yee) a9$(t et+"c) !(le) and $(! ad")$!y
$/"n"$n) a!e 6ea!ed n$t $nly ed(cate t+e /(9l"c 9(t $t+e! e'/l$yee) $%t+e C"ty and t$ 9e ()ed 9y () "n t+e %(t(!e 8+en a )"'"la! 'atte! c$'e)
(/ 9eca()e $(! ad")$!y $/"n"$n) t!ac /!"$! $/"n"$n)-
A'an$: All t+$)e t+"n6) a!e e5actly t+e )a'e a) B(d"c"al $/"n"$n)-
S(e'$!": Yea+-
L"lly: (t %$! +"' n$t a9le t$ c$''ent $n>
Se('$!": On +") $8n $/"n"$n<
L"lly: On $/"n"$n) "))(ed 9y t+e C$''"))"$n-
S(e'$!": 4+at "% +e )ay), @I d$n=t a6!ee 8"t+ t+at $ne-
L"lly: N$, n$ +e=) 9$(nd 9y "t-
S(e'$!": (t 8+at "% +e c$''ent) t+at +e=) n$t-
A'an$: (t t$ 'e c$''ent )$'et"'e) ") ela9$!at"$n and t+at=) n$t 8+at
y$( 8ant 8+en y$( "))(e an ad")$!y $/"n"$n- It +a) t$ )/ea %$! "t)el%-
S(e'$!": Yea+, I a6!ee-
L"lly: 4+en an ad")$!y $/"n"$n ") "))(ed t+at +a) C"ty 8"de c$nce!n t+at t+e
'ed"a 'ay 8ant t$ +ae )$'e9$dy e5/la"n- I 'ean, t+at=) 8+at t+ey
d$-
C+a"! C+en: He c$(ldn=t cla!"%y, +e c$(ldn=t an)8e! any (e)t"$n)-
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
8/22
L"lly: N$- T+e $/"n"$n )tand) %$! "t)el%, 9(t t+e 'ed"a 6$e) t$ )$'e
n$8led6ea9le /e!)$n and )ay), @8+at d$e) t+") $/"n"$n 'ean
S(e'$!": 4+y )+$(ld "t 9e e5/la"ned<
L"lly: eca()e "t 6$t 'e'9e!) $% t+e /(9l"c-
A'an$: N$- (t 8+y )+$(ld "t 9e $(! e5ec(t"e d"!ect$!<
L"lly: 4+y )+$(ldn=t "t 9e
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
9/22
A'an$: eca()e 8e "))(ed t+e $/"n"$n and "t need) t$ )tand 8"t+"n "t) $8n
/a!a'ete!)-
L"lly: &"6+t-
A'an$: Ot+e!8")e d$8n t+e !$ad y$( 6$t )$'e$ne 8+$ 8"ll c$'e and )ay,
@+e!e=) t+e ad")$!y $/"n"$n, ye), 9(t +e!e=) 8+at 8a) added t$ "ta%te!8a!d)-
L"lly: N$, "t=) n$t>
S(e'$!": &"6+t-
C+a"! C+en: N$, I>
L"lly: N$, I d$n=t 9(y t+at-
A'an$: 4+y<
L"lly: eca()e t+e $/"n"$n ") t+e $ne t+at 6$e!n)- T+e c$''ent t$ t+e
/(9l"c ") 'e!ely e5/lanat$!y, 9(t>
A'an$: Oay- 4e=!e 6$"n6 t$ +ae a d"%%e!ence $% $/"n"$n $n t+at-
S(e'$!": Yea+, 8e=!e 6$"n6 t$ +ae a d"%%e!ence $% $/"n"$n-
EDLC T$tt$: 4ell, let 'e 6"e y$( a )"'/le e5a'/le- Can I /"c $n *e$"<
T+e C$''"))"$n !ende!) an ad")$!y $/"n"$n, and "% "t ") all "nte!e)t"n6
t$ t+e 'ed"a $! /(9l"c, t+e ne5t day I 8"ll 6et a call )ay"n6, @8ell d$e)
t+") 'ean %$! /e$/le 8"t+ t+e C"ty
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
10/22
ad"ce, !"6+t< eca()e t+at=) 8+at 8e d$- T+at=) /a!t $% $(! B$9 ") tae
8+atee! t+e $/"n"$n ") and )ay, @$ay, 9a)ed $n t+at $/"n"$n, ")
/!$9a9ly, +e!e=) t+e ad"ce %$! y$(- And t+") %act) 'ay $! 'ay n$t 9e
t$tally )"'"la! 9(t 8e ()e t+e )tat(te) and t+e c+a!te! and t+e /!"$!
/!ecedent t$ d$ t+at- 4+atee! I )ay t$ t+e 'ed"a +a) a9)$l(tely n$le6al a%%ect at all- I 'ean, I can=t "'a6"ne, and "% y$( t+$(6+t "t d"d
t+en !e/!"'and 'e $! /(t 8+atee! y$( t+"n ") a//!$/!"ate-
A'an$: It=) t$$ late-
M"l): I +ae a (e)t"$n<
EDLC T$tt$: Can I %"n")+- I=' )$!!y, I B()t 8ant t$ %"n")+ t+e e5a'/le +e!e-
S$, "% any !e/$!te! a)) 'e, @8+at d$e) t+") 'ean "% %$! C"tye'/l$yee)- I=' a)"n6 y$(, (nde! y$(! /$l"cy ") t+at )$'et+"n6 I can
!e)/$nd t$ $! n$t<
A'an$: N$-
C+a"! C+en: Unde! t+e /$l"cy y$( can !e)/$nd (nde! any c"!c(')tance)- I
6(e)), I %eel t+at de%ect) $ne $% $(! /!"'a!y /(!/$)e) 8+"c+ ") t$
ed(cate t+e /(9l"c- I% y$( can=t e5/la"n $! anyt+"n6 $! c$''ent any
8ay t$ 'ed"a "n("!"e) a9$(t an $/"n"$n, t+en I t+"n t+at d"'"n")+ed$(! a9"l"ty a) a c$''"))"$n t$ ed(cate t+e /(9l"c $n et+"c)- And, It+"n t+at=) a d"))e!"ce-
L"lly: I a6!ee-
EDLC T$tt$: Al)$ 8e +ae a c(!!ent /$l"cy, @P!$ced(!e) %$! Handl"n6
&e(e)t %$! Ad"ce and C$'/la"nt)- And t+at 8a) /a))ed "n 200-
And /a!t $% "t )ay), @t+e ne8) 'ed"a $%ten a)) %$! $/"n"$n) 8+et+e!
t+e c$nd(ct $% an "nd""d(al "$late) t+e et+"c) la8)- T+e /$l"cy $% t+eC$''"))"$n ") t+at n$ c$''ent )+$(ld 'ade t$ t+e 'ed"a $! t+"!d
/a!t"e) $n 'atte!) t+at 'ay c$'e 9e%$!e t+e C$''"))"$n a) a !e)(lt $%
a !e(e)t %$! ad"ce $! c$'/la"nt-
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
11/22
H$8ee!, 8+en a)ed 9y a 'e'9e! $% t+e 'ed"a, t+e C$''"))"$n $! )ta%%
'ay de)c!"9e 6ene!ally t+e et+"c) la8) and "))(e) t+at 'ay 9e !elat"e
t$ t+e c$nd(ct $% an $%%"ce! $! e'/l$yee-
S$, "% 8e ad$/t t+") ne8 ne8) /$l"cy, I t+"n 8e=d +ae t$ tae a e!y )e!"$()l$$ at t+e $ld /$l"cy t+at 8e=e 9een $/e!at"n6 (nde! %$! )ee!al yea!)-
A'an$: D$e)n=t a//ea! t$ 9e c$nt!ad"ct$!y t$ 'e-
EDLC T$tt$: Oay- Ma!): I +ad a (e)t"$n< In t+e )ta%%=) /$l"cy and /!$ced(!e) !e6a!d"n6
ne8) !elea)e), "t )ay) @a ne8 !elea)e a9$(t %$!'al ad")$!y $/"n"$n),
)ta%% )+$(ld !e%!a'e %!$' "nte!/!et"n6 t+e $/"n"$n- S$, 8+at d"d y$('ean 9y t+at<
EDLC T$tt$: y t+at 'ean, I d"dn=t 'ean t$ t+at 8e c$(ldn=t a//ly "t t$
%(t(!e "))(e) $! $t+e! e5a'/le), 9(t t+at 8e )+$(ld n$t 9e )ay"n6 @8+at
d"d t+e C$''"))"$n>8a) t+e!e a )/l"t $n t+") "))(e $! 8+y ") "t 8!"tten"t t+") 8ay and n$t an$t+e! 8ay
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
12/22
T+at 8$(ld 9e t$tally /!$+"9"ted %!$' 'y /$"nt $% "e8- 4+et+e! any $% t+at
8a) d")c())ed 9y t+e C$''"))"$n, "t=) n$t "n t+e $/"n"$n, and I d$
t+"n t+e $/"n"$n +a) t$ )tand %$! "t)el%, and t+e /e$/le )+$(ld !e"e8
t+e $/"n"$n "% t+ey 8ant t$ 6et t+e %(ll e%%ect $% 8+at=) 9een )tated 9y
t+e C$''"))"$n-
L"lly: I% t+e!e 8a) an $/"n"$n +e!e a) t$ a /a!t"c(la! C"ty e'/l$yee t+at
"$lated G, and t+e 'ed"a a)) y$(, @8ell, 8+at d$e) t+at 'ean %$!$t+e! e'/l$yee)< 4+at d$e) t+at 'ean
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
13/22
act(al /a!a'ete!) $% t+e $/"n"$n "t)el%- Y$(=!e n$t 6$"n6 9ey$nd t+at-
T+e!e=) al8ay) a dan6e!-
L"lly: Oay- I% I (nde!)tand 8+at y$(=!e )ay"n6, and I can (nde!)tand t+at-
H") "nte!/!etat"$n $% 8+at t+") $/"n"$n 'ean) a) t$ t+") e'/l$yee, t+e$/"n"$n )/ea) %$! "t)el%-
S"la: &"6+t-
A'an$: O! een %(t(!e c$nd(ct-
L"lly: (t, "% y$( a//ly t+"), 'y "nte!/!etat"$n $% t+"), and "t=) ce!ta"nly
)(9Bect t$ %(t(!e %act) and 8+atee! t+e C$''"))"$n 'ay d$,
"na(d"9le, 9(t 'y "nte!/!etat"$n ") "% $t+e! e'/l$yee, C"ty e'/l$yee)en6a6e "n t+e)e )$!t) $% c$nd(ct, t+ey can +ae an et+"c) "$lat"$n,
!"6+t< And y$(=!e )ay"n6 t+at=) n$t an "nte!/!etat"$n-
A'an$: I=' )ay"n6 "t=) /!ecedence, and +e=) "n%$!'"n6 t+e', +e!e=) t+e
/!ecedence- T+") ") 8+at "t )tand) %$!-
L"lly: Oay- May9e t$ )+$!ten t+"), I !ec$''end t+at "% y$( tae t+e t8$
!ec$6n"#"n6 8+at 8e=!e tal"n6 a9$(t "n te!')>eca()e, I t+"n t+e
8ay "t=) 8!"tten n$8 B(d6e "), I t+"n "t=) a'9"6($() $% 8+et+e! 8+at I B()t de)c!"9ed 8a) "nte!/!etat"$n-
A'an$: Oay- (t !"6+t n$8 8e +ae n$t+"n6- S$>
L"ly: And "t=) '$!e l"e an a//l"cat"$n- 4+at I=' )ay"n6 ") an a//l"cat"$n
n$t an "nte!/!etat"$n-
S(e'$!": I% y$( 8e!e t$ )end t+") 9ac t$ 9e t8eaed,, c$(ld 8e d$
)$'et+"n6 8"t+ t+at 8$!d @)+$(ld>
C+a"! C+en: 4+e!e<
S(e'$!": In N$- 1 )ta%%- C+(c c$!!ected "t=) a 8ea)el 8$!d-
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
14/22
L"lly: S+$(ld !e%!a"n-
S(e'$!": I d$n=t ca!e 8+at 8$!d y$( ()e, 9(t d$n=t ()e @)+$(ld 9eca()e
@)+$(ld ") a ()ele)) 8$!d-
C+a"! C+en: 4ell, I 6(e))>
S(e'$!": Let +"' dec"de, %"6(!e "t $(t-
C+a"! C+en: 4ell, a!e 8e 8$!"n6 $%% $% C$''"))"$ne! A'an$=)>
L"lly: Tae t+e t8$, !ec$6n"#e 8+at t+e c$nce!n) a!e- I +ea! t+at t+e
C$''"))"$n d$e)n=t +ae a c$nce!n a9$(t y$( ta"n6 an $/"n"$n and
e5/la"n"n6 +$8 "t '"6+t a//ly /$tent"ally t$ $t+e! e'/l$yee), !"6+t<
S"la: T+at=) 8+at +e d$e) at +") t!a"n"n6-
Ma!): S(!e-
L"lly: F$! 'e, I d$n=t 8ant y$( c$n)t!a"n"n6 %!$' 9e"n6 t$ d$ t+at, 9(t I
t+"n 8+at t+e B(d6e ") tell"n6 'e ") t+ey d$n=t 8ant y$( t$ 6$ t$$ %a! "n
"nte!/!et"n6 8+at t+") /a!t"c(la! $/"n"$n ") 9eca()e "t )/ea) %$! "t)el%-
A'an$: 4e=!e al)$ deal"n6 8"t+ d"%%e!ent %$!'at)- It=) $ne t+"n6 t$ deal 8"t+a !$$' %(ll $% t!a"nee)- It=) a 8+$le an$t+e! t+"n6 t$ 6et all t+e 'ed"a
and )ay t+") t+"n6 and t+en "t=) )(9Bect t$ y$(! c$''ent) a!e )(9Bect t$
%(!t+e! "nte!/!etat"$n 9y 8+$ee! el)e- And, I d$n=t t+"n "t=) 9ey$nd,
y$( n$8, /$))"9"l"ty, "% n$t /!$9a9"l"ty t+at a la8ye! ") 6$"n6 t$ 6!a9
t+e 8+$le t+"n6 and )ay, @t+") ") +$8 t+") $/"n"$n $(6+t t$ 9e
"nte!/!eted- And, y$( c$(ld 'ae a '")tae- Once "t=) 6$ne "t=) 6$ne-
S(e'$!": And, I n$8 t+e att$!ney) t+at 8$(ld-
L"lly: I 8$nde! "% t+e!e=) any "na(d"9le $% t+e /(9l"c 8+$ +ae any
c$''ent< C$''ent)<
C+a"! C+en: C$''"))"$ne! S"la +ad a>
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
15/22
S"la: Let=) )ee +") "nte!/!etat"$n %"!)t- He=) 8"t+ t+e 'ed"a-
M!- *e!!: H", I=' *e$" *e!! %!$' Ha8a"" Ne8) N$8-
C+a"! C+en: I +ad n$ "dea-
S"la: 4e d"dn=t !ec$6n"#e y$(-
M!- *e!!: I d"dn=t act(ally c$'e +e!e t$ te)t"%y, 9(t I d"d %eel c$'/elled t$
)/ea a9$(t "t 9eca()e 8e=e 9een deal"n6 8"t+ C+(c %$! 'any yea!)-
And, I t+"n 8+at "t c$'e) d$8n t$ ") t!()t- I 'ean, y$(, a)
C$''"))"$ne!) +ae +"!ed )$'e9$dy t$ 9e t+e e5ec(t"e d"!ect$!- He ")
n$t a C$''"))"$ne!, and )(!e 8+at +e )ay) ") n$t t+e %"nal dec")"$n, t+e8!"tten dec")"$n- He ") "n )$ 'any 8ay) t+e e!y "'/$!tant 9(lly
/(l/"t, "% y$( 8ell, %$! t+e Et+"c) C$''"))"$n, 8+"c+ ") %!anly 9elea6(e!ed "n )ta%% and "n 9(d6et and )$'et"'e) d$e)n=t +ae t+e teet+
t+at "t 8$(ld l"e t$ +ae- Yet, I )ee t+e "'/$!tant ed(cat"$n !$le ") t$
all$8 +"' t+e lee8ay t$ tal a9$(t t+e)e "))(e) a) C$''"))"$ne! L"lly
taled a9$(t 9!$aden"n6 t+e '$nt+-
S$, "t=) n$t B()t a9$(t M!- $ne)= ca)e 8e=!e tal"n6 a9$(t, !"6+t< O%ten 8+at
8e=!e "nte!e)ted, 8e 'ay 9e "nte!e)ted 9eca()e M!- $ne) ") a +"6+!an"n6 C"ty $%%"c"al and t+at=) B("cy and "nte!e)t"n6, 9(t "t +a) a
9!$ade! e%%ect t+at M!- $ne) 6$t "n t!$(9le +e!e, 9(t t+e "'/$!tant t+"n6
") t+at all C"ty e'/l$yee) cann$t d$ t+") $n t+e B$9 $! 8+atee! t+e
"))(e ")- And t+at=) $%ten 8+y 8e need t+at "nd $% "nte!/!etat"$n and
t+at ") !eally %(l%"ll"n6- I t+"n t+e '"))"$n $% t+") C$''"))"$n ") t$
!a")e t+e a8a!ene)) $% et+"c) "n C"ty 6$e!n'ent and %$! t+e c"t"#en) $%
Oa+( and 9y 6""n6 () t+e lee8ay t$ tal t$ +"' and e5/and )l"6+tly
n$t "nt!(d"n6 $! $9"$()ly !e"nte!/!et"n6 $! '")"nte!/!et"n6 a dec")"$n
9(t +e=) 9!$aden"n6 "t and 'a"n6, 9!"n"n6 "t d$8n t$ ea!t+, 9eca()et+at=) 8+at 8e=!e t!y"n6 t$ d$, !"6+t<
S$'et"'e) t+e)e $/"n"$n), and I=e c$e!ed 'any $% t+e' %$! 'any yea!) a!e
e!y deta"led- T+ey=!e e!y, e!y len6t+y and 8e +ae t$ 9$"l "t d$8n
t$ a e!y )"'/le t$ (nde!)tand, y$( n$8, dec")"$n, !"6+t< And, )$
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
16/22
t+at=) $%ten 8+y 8e 6$ t$ C+(c 9eca()e )$'et"'e) t+ey=!e le6al")t"c-
T+ey=!e l$n6 and "n$led, and 8e 8ant )$'e9$dy t$ 9$"l "t d$8n, and
)ay, @8+y )+$(ld 8e ca!e< 4+y )+$(ld t+e /(9l"c ca!e a9$(t t+")
dec")"$n, C+(c< 4+at e%%ect d$e) t+") 6$"n6 t$ +ae n$8< 4+at d$e)
"t 'ean t+at 9() d!"e!) a!e 6$"n6 +ae t$ d$ %!$' n$8< And 8+atee!t+e "))(e '"6+t 9e- And t+at=) 8+e!e, I t+"n "t )e!e) t+e 6!eate!
/(!/$)e $% t+") C$''"))"$n ") t$ +el/ () 9$"l t+e)e ca)e) d$8n t$
"'/$!tant n(66et) $% "n%$!'at"$n t+at 8e 8ant t+e ta5 /aye!) t$ n$8,and y$( 8ant t+$)e /(9l"c e'/l$yee) t$ n$8 t+at t+") ") t+e 8ay t+e"!
c$nd(ct "), t+ey '()t c$nd(ct t+e')ele) $! t+ey '()t n$t c$nd(ct
t+e')ele)- S$, I t+"n y$( +ae t$ 9e ca!e%(l a9$(t /(tt"n6 all t+e)e
c$n)t!a"nt) $n y$(! e5ec(t"e d"!ect$!-
Y$( n$8, %!anly, +e +a) 9een, +e=) al8ay) 9een e5t!e'ely, "n)/"te $% 'y!ec$!d $% t!y"n6 t$ 6!a9 all "nd) $% t+"n6) 8+en y$(=!e n$t )(//$)ed t$
tell 'e, +e=) 9een e!y, e!y 6$$d a9$(t, y$( n$8, e5/la"n"n6 I can=ttal t$ y$( a9$(t "t- T+") ") an act"e "ne)t"6at"$n $! 8+atee! t+e ca)e
'ay 9e- 4e +ae $t+e! 8ay) $% %"nd"n6 $(t d"%%e!ent t+"n6) 9eca()e
/e$/le a!e 9!$(6+t "n %$! (e)t"$n"n6 $! 8+atee!- 4e 'ay d$ $(! $8n
"nde/endent 8$!- (t t+e %act ") C+(c al8ay) 'ae )(!e ee!y$ne=)
!"6+t) a!e /!$tected and t+e /!$ce)) ") /!$tected, and t+at=) e!y
"'/$!tant, y$( n$8-
(t al)$ "t=) "'/$!tant t+at y$( 6ene!ate, I t+"n, y$( 6ene!ate d")c())"$n $nt+e)e "))(e) 9eca()e, I t+"n %!$' c$e!"n6 6$e!n'ent %$! 'any yea!),
y$( n$8, a l$t $% /e$/le tend t$ l$$ at t+e $t+e! 8ay- And t+e
"'/$!tant t+"n6 ") t+at 8e d$n=t l$$ t+e $t+e! 8ay 8+en t+e!e=) a
/!$9le' and 8e add!e)) t+e'- And "% t+e e5ec(t"e d"!ect$! ") all$8ed
t$ d$ t+at 8"t+$(t t+e)e c$n)t!a"nt), 8$!!y t+at, @$+, n$, a' I 6$"n6
c$'e a %$(l $% t+") !e)t!"ct"$n
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
17/22
)$'e9$dy t$ t!y "nte!/!et a !eal +('an, n$t B()t a d$c('ent- Y$(
n$8, t+") ") n$t a c$(!t- T+") ") t+e )(/!e'e c$(!t- T+") ") n$t t+e
ICA, t+") ") n$t t+e c"!c("t c$(!t- I n$8 a l$t $% y$( +ae t+at
e5/e!"ence 9(t, y$( n$8, "t=) a d"%%e!ent 9all $% 8a5- A)
C$''"))"$ne! L"lly )a"d, t+") ") n$t a c$(!t- And +") dec")"$n) a!e n$t6$"n6 t$ 9e a//ealed t$ t+e S(/!e'e C$(!t, and +e=) 'e!ely +el/"n6 t+e
/(9l"c t$ (nde!)tand- And, I t+"n t+at=) !eally "'/$!tant, )$ I 8$(ld
ca(t"$n y$( a9$(t any "nd $% !e)t!"ct"$n)-
(t, I t+an y$(- I d$n=t n$8 "% y$( +ae any (e)t"$n)<
C+a"! C+en: T+an y$( e!y '(c+-
L"lly: D$e) any9$dy +e!e +ae any c$nce!n) a9$(t t+e 8ay "n 8+"c+ *e$"+a) e5/!e))ed, t+e "nd) $% t+"n6) t+e 'ed"a>T$ 'e, 6ett"n6 t+e
"n%$!'at"$n $(t "% "t ") al(a9le 8+en t+e 'ed"a c$e!) an $/"n"$n t+at'ay B()t 9e )te!"le $/"n"$n t+at 8e %"le a8ay and n$ e'/l$yee ee! )ee)
"t 9eca()e "t=) n$t $(t t+e!e $t+e! t+an 'ay 9e "n an et+"c) t!a"n"n6, 9(t
"% "t=) "'/$!tant en$(6+ t+at t+e 'ed"a ") "nte!e)ted "n, n$8 "t 6et)
/(9l"cat"$n $(t t$ a l$t $% e'/l$yee) 'ay9e $n t+e l"ne and 'ay n$t
)t$/ "$lat"n6 et+"c) 9eca()e t+ey +ea!d t+at @G 6$t d"n6ed %$! 8+at
I=' d$"n6-
Ma!): Yea+- I +ae a c$''ent, and, I t+"n "t=) a %$ll$8(/ t$ 8+at 8ed")c())ed la)t 'eet"n6 and t+at ") t+e)e ad")$!y $/"n"$n )+$(ld n$t 9e
100/a6e )(/!e'e c$(!t !(l"n6 t+ey $(6+t t$ 9e 'ade (nde! )+$!te!
(nde!)tanda9le "n En6l")+ )$ t+at t+e ae!a6e C"ty e'/l$yee d$e)n=t
+ae t$ !ead a t$ne t$ n$8 8+at "t "), d$e)n=t +ae t$ +ae le6al
t!a"n"n6 t$ (nde!)tand "t, and t+at "% "t ") )$ len6t+y t+en t+e
C$''"))"$n $(6+t t$ +ae a /!e)) !elea)e 8"t+ "t t+at=) a /a!a6!a/+ $!
)$'et+"n6 )$ t+at ee!y9$dy (nde!)tand) and "t )+$(ld 9e d$ne at $nce
and 'ae t+"n6) '$!e (nde!)tanda9le %$! t+e e'/l$yee) $% t+e C"ty andC$(nty-
M!- *e!!: I t+"n t+ey +ae- I 'ean, t+at=) 8+at t+ey d$ e)/ec"ally %$! )$'e
la!6e ca)e), y$( +ae d$ne t+at, !"6+t, "n t+e /a)t- And t+at ") e!y
+el/%(l and t+e!e 8"ll 9e t+at )$!t $% 6ene!al "nte!/!etat"$n t+at d$e)n=t
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
18/22
)t!ay %!$' t+e le6al "na(d"9le $! 8+atee! $% t+at '(c+ l$n6e!
dec")"$n 9eca()e a) y$( n$8 t+e laye!) $n t+e $t+e! )"de $%ten t+!$8
all "nd) $% t+"n6) "n t+e!e, and )$ t+ey d$ +ae t$ 9e add!e))ed and
)$'et"'e) "t=) n$t B()t t+at t+ey=!e 8$!dy, t+e)e 6(y) l$e t$ 8!"te
'any /a6e)- All t+e)e "))(e) and t+e)e )'$e )c!een) 9!$(6+t (/ 9y /e$/le t!y"n6 t$ de%end )t!an6e 9e+a"$! 9y /$l"t"c"an) $! 9y C"ty
e'/l$yee)-
And, )$ 8e d$ a//!ec"ate "t- T+at=) a 6!eat "dea, 9(t t+ey a!e d$"n6 t+at
al!eady %$! )$'e 'aB$! ca)e) t+ey +ae d$ne t+at- F$! a l$t $% !$(t"ne
ca)e), I d$n=t t+"n t+ey d$ t+at, 9(t t+ey 8"ll )end $(t a ne8) !elea)e
8+"c+ d$e) )(''a!"#e t+e 9a)"c %act) and )$'et"'e) d$e) +ae a
($tat"$n "nt$, I 9el"ee, %!$' C+(c tal"n6 a9$(t t+e 6!eate!
"'/l"cat"$n) 8+"c+ d$e) +el/ () "''en)ely and, y$(=!e !"6+t, +el/) 9$"l) "t d$8n %$! t+e /(9l"c e'/l$yee)- eca()e t+at=) 8+at "t ") a9$(t
!a")"n6 a8a!ene)) and lett"n6 t+e' n$8, @+ey, 8e=!e $(t t+e!e- Y$(n$8 8+at, 8e=!e $n t$ t+") and t+") ") n$t t$ 9e all$8ed- And y$(
9ette! t+"n t8"ce "% y$(=!e d$"n6 t+e )a'e "nd $% t+"n6, I t+"n t+at=)
"'/$!tant %$! /e$/le t$ n$8 t+at y$( 6(y) a!e all +e!e- Y$( 6"e )$
'(c+ $% y$(! t"'e- T+ey=!e all $l(ntee!)- T+") ") a l$t $% 8$!-
A'an$: 4+at, 8e $l(ntee!<
M!- *e!!: (t 8e 8ant y$(!, all y$(! +a!d 8$!, all t+e +a!d 8$! t+at y$( d$%$! y$(! 9$ttle $% 8ate! $e! t+e!e- &"6+t, 8e 8ant t$ 6et $(t and 6et
n$t"ced a) '(c+ a) /$))"9le- I d$n=t t+"n, 8e, t+e 'ed"a c$e!) t+e)e
"))(e) en$(6+ 9eca()e t+e!e a!en=t en$(6+ !e)$(!ce) any'$!e- T+e!e=)
a!en=t en$(6+ !e/$!te!) t$ d$ t+e)e "nd $% t+"n6)-
S$, t+at=) 8+y, a6a"n, any "nd $% a8a!ene)) t+at y$( can 9!"n6 8+"c+
"n$le) ne8 !elea)e) y$( taled a9$(t, 9(t al)$ "n$le) 6""n6 ()
acce)) and 6""n6 () )$'e9$dy t$ tal t$ () t$ +el/ () "nte!/!et t+")-And, al)$ t$ +el/ ()- Y$( n$8 8+en 8e=!e 8!$n6 9eca()e I=e +ad
)$'e 6!eat d")c())"$n 8"t+ C+(c 8+e!e I 6$, @$+, 8ell, t+") ") clea!ly-
O+, t+") ") )$ )lea#y, "t=) te!!"9le- And, +e=ll )ay, @8a"t a '"n(te, y$(
n$8, y$( +ae t$ tae all t+") "nt$ c$n)"de!at"$n +e!e and, y$( n$8,
t+e!e c$(ld 9e a /$))"9le e5/lanat"$n, and 8e=e +ad t+") "nd $% t+"n6
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
19/22
+a//en 9e%$!e- S$, +e !eally +el/) (), y$( n$8, t$ 'ae t+e )t$!y %a"!
and acc(!ate and n$t B()t )$!t $% 6$ a%te! )$'e9$dy (n%a"!ly t$$-
I=e +ad t+$)e "nd $% d")c())"$n 8"t+ +"' 9e%$!e 9eca()e $% +") len6t+y
e5/e!"ence "n t+") "))(e- It=) 9een t!e'end$(), and I 8$(ld 9e e!y )ad"% t+at "nd $% acce))- I% +e 8a) )$ )ca!ed $% een tal"n6 t$ 'e $n
9ac6!$(nd $n an "))(e- eca()e I %eel l"e 'y )t$!"e) 8$(ldn=t 9e a)
6$$d, a) c$'/lete and a) %a"! 8"t+$(t t+at "nd $% 6"eandtae 8+"c+") !eally "'/$!tant- (t, I=ll )t$/ tal"n6 n$8- I a//!ec"ate y$(! t"'e-
A'an$: 4ell, I a//!ec"ate y$(! c$''ent)- .e!y, e!y +el/%(l-
M!- *e!!: Yea+, )(!e- T+an y$(- T+an y$( all %$! y$(! )e!"ce and %$! all
y$( d$- S$, 8e !eally a//!ec"ate Et+"c) C$''"))"$n) all $e! )tate andc$(nty- And t+e!e=) $ne 'eet"n6 t$day 8"t+ "lly *en$" $e! $n t+e
"6 I)land-
L"lly: T+e Et+"c) C$''"))"$n a//a!ently de%e!!ed-
M!- *e!!: T+an y$(, 6(y), 9(t "t=) n"ce t$ tal t$ y$(- 7$$d t$ )ee y$( all-
S"la: 7$"n6 9ac t$ 8+e!e I 8a) "na(d"9le- I c$'e %!$' a '$!e !el"6"$()
9ac6!$(nd, )$ c$n)e(ently I n$8 a9$(t all $% t+e "nte!/!etat"$n) )$t$ )/ea $% )c!"/t(!e $! 8+atee!- T+e!e=) )$ 'any, and )$ t+e )a'et+"n6 +e!e 8e +$ld +e!e a) an Et+"c) C$''"))"$n- 4e )+$(ld 9e
+$ld"n6 t+e /(9l"c=) t!()t-
And, "% y$( !ead t+!$(6+ 'ed"a ne8)/a/e!, T., 8+atee! t$day, t+e 6ene!al
/(9l"c +a) a "nd $% a l$8 /!"$!"ty $n 6$e!n'ent !"6+t n$8- And,
8+et+e! "t=) nat"$nal $! l$cal, )tate, 8+atee!- And, )$, 9a)"cally $(!
B$9, t+e!e%$!e, $(! 'a"n /(!/$)e ") t$ "'/!$e, 'a"nta"n t+e /(9l"c=)
c$n%"dence "n 6$e!n'ent $%%"c"al) and e'/l$yee)- T+at=) 9a)"cally8+at 8e need t$ d$- ()t l$$"n6 at )"t(at"$n) a) t+ey c$'e al$n6,
8+et+e! t+") ") !"6+t $! 8+et+e! t+") ") 8!$n6-
I 'ean, t+e!e=) all "nd) "nte!/!etat"$n) a) la8 "na(d"9le- eca()e y$(=!e
9a)"cally la8ye!) and att$!ney) and +ae y$(, B(d6e)- (t 9a)"cally
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
20/22
t+at=) +$8 8e +ae t$ l$$ at ") 8+at 8"ll t+e /(9l"c t+"n a9$(t 8+at
8e c$nd(cted +e!e t$day-
I) "t a 6$$d t+"n6 $! ") "t a 9ad t+"n6- And )$'et"'e) t+"n6) 6et )+aded
6!ay, !"6+t<
S(e'$!": 4+at I 8a) 6$"n6 t$ )ay, y$( n$8, %$ll$8(/ t$ C$''"))"$ne!
Ma!) ") t+at "t 8a) )et la)t '$nt+ 8+en 8e 6$t an ad")$!y $/"n"$n-4e 6$t )$!t $% l"e 9$66ed $(t, t+e /(!/$)e $% t+e ad")$!y $/"n"$n and,
I t+"n>t+at=) +$8 8e 6$t $(t $% t+")-
C+a"! C+en: T+at 8a) "n e5ec(t"e )e))"$n-
EDLC T$tt$: Yea+- I t+"n "t=) $ay t$ tal a9$(t "t 6ene!ally-
S(e'$!": 4e=!e B()t tal"n6 a9$(t 6ene!al-
EDLC T$tt$: Yea+, 8"t+$(t t+e>
S(e'$!": And t+at=) !"6+t- S$ t+en 8+at +a//en) ") 8e 8anted t$ +ae>"%
8e 8e!e 6$"n6 t$ ()e an $/"n"$n %$! t+e /(9l"c t+en 8e act(ally !eally
need t$ 'ae "t a "na(d"9le a) $//$)ed t$ K0/a6e, 0/a6e 8+atee!-
And "% act(ally y$( n$8 y$( can=t )ay anyt+"n6 "n %"e /a6e), d$n=t)ay anyt+"n6-
S"la: Can=t )ay n$t+"n6 6$$d a9$(t>
S(e'$!": Yea+- Y$( 6$t t$ 9e !eal clea!, and I d$n=t n$8 9eca()e I t+"n
t+e!e 8a) a !e"e8 $% 8+at ") t+e /(!/$)e $% an ad")$!y $/"n"$n-
4e=!e n$t d$"n6 t+at n$8, 9(t +$8 8e=!e 6$"n6 t$ c$''(n"cate t+at t$
9e %a"! t$ ee!y9$dy, 8+"c+ ") t+e /a!t"e), t+e /(9l"c, t+e 'ed"a and
ee!yt+"n6- And t+at ") a c+allen6e $% +$8 y$( d!a%t and +$8 y$(8!"te- And "t tae) a l$t $% t+$(6+t%(l 8$!d ()e- And, )$ 8e 8e!e B()t
"nd $%>t+at $/"n"$n 8a) n$t t+e l$n6e)t 9(t "t 8a) l$n6, t+at=) all-
L"lly: I t+"n +e=) c(t "n +al%-
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
21/22
S(e'$!": S$, n$8 8e=!e at 2K-
A'an$: I t+"n "t=) %"e $! )"5-
C+a"! C+en: S$, 8e +ad a )(66e)t"$n t$ l$$ at 3!d
e!)"$n add!e))"n6 )$'e $% t+e "))(e) t+at 8e!e !a")ed t$day and t$ !e%lect>
S(e'$!": T+e d")c())"$n-
C+a"! C+en: t+e d")c())"$n? ye)- S$
A'an$: F$! t+e !ec$!d, I=' n$t 'a!!"ed t$ any $% t+") e5ce/t t+e /!$ced(!e
$% )$'e "nd 8"t+ )$'e /a!a'ete!)- I t+"n "t=) a 6$$d "dea t$ l$$ at
all t+e c$nce/t), /(t )$'et+"n6 $(t t+e!e t+at=) 8$!a9le "nc$!/$!at"n6M!- *e!!=) c$nce!n) a) 8ell, 8+"c+ a!e e(ally "'/$!tant- I a) t+at 8e
ee/ t+e /$l"cy t+at I a!t"c(lated 8+"c+ '"!!$!) e5actly 8+at $(!ac+"ee'ent ")- I t$$ "t !"6+t $%% /!etty '(c+ $% $(! 8e9)"te- S$, I
n$8 8e )+$(ld +ae )$'et+"n6 t$ 6("de () "n $(! 8$!"n6 8"t+ t+e
'ed"a- I% y$( 'ae a '")tae $! 8e 'ae a '")tae $% )$'e "nd, "t=)
e!y, e!y d"%%"c(lt $nce "t=) $(t-
S$, "% 8e +ae a /!$ce)) t+at 8e can %$ll$8 t+at 8$(ld 9e +el/%(l, and I d$n=t
+ae any /!$9le' 8"t+ c+an6"n6 t+") )$ t+at "t 6"e) t+e lee8ay! t+at=)nece))a!y t$ d$ t+e B$9-
C+a"! C+en: Oay-
S(e'$!": I 8a) B()t 6$"n6 t$ )ay "% y$(=!e 6$"n6 t$ +ae /$l"cy, +ae a /$l"cy
$! d$n=t +ae a /$l"cy and call "t a /(!/$)e- And t+e )ta%% $ne, "t )ay)
8e +ae a /$l"cy and t+e!e=) nee! anyt+"n6 el)e, 9(t t+e!e ") a /(!/$)e
)$ 8e al8ay) 'ent"$n "t- S$ a9)(!d-
A'an$: (t, t+an y$( %$! at lea)t +ea!"n6 "t $(t-
C+a"! C+en: Oay- S$, d$ 8e need a '$t"$n t$ '$e "t %$!8a!d t+at 8ay $!
>
-
8/21/2019 Honolulu Ethics Commission Memo
22/22
A'an$: I t+"n y$( ta9le t+") '$t"$n, and 8e=ll tae "t (/ at t+e ne5t
'eet"n6-
C+a"! C+en: Oay-
L"lly: Y$( 6$t en$(6+ 6(y)<
EDLC T$tt$: Ye)-