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Tuesday, 2 November 2010

Parliament met at 3.18 p.m. in Parliament House, Kampala.

PRAYERS

(The Speaker, Mr Edward Ssekandi, in Chair.

The House was !alled to order.

COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR

THE SPEAKER: Hon. Members, I welcome you to t!s s!tt!n". #e $%e onour$ble Members o&P$rl!$ment &rom te Comm!ttee on ICT o& N$m!b!$ $n' tey $re se$te' !n te str$n"er(s "$llery.

I rece!%e' te s$' news o& te 'e$t o& Hon. )$'umu*$s$(s s!ster+ er n$me !s ebor$ N$b!t$lo. -ur!$lw!ll t$*e l$ce tomorrow !n M!ty$n$. /et us obser%e $ moment o& s!lence.

(Mem"ers o"ser#ed a moment o$ silen!e.0

THE SPEAKER:#e were 'e$l!n" w!t te CHO1M reort $n' we were suose' to $%e cont!nue'w!t !t to'$y $n' tomorrow, but 1o%ernment $ro$ce' me $n' !n&orme' me t$t tey $' !mort$ntbus!ness to $n'le, n$mely, te )$m$l$ C!ty -!ll, 2334, w!c soul' be '!sose' o& $s soon $s oss!bleto en$ble tem *now te os!t!on o& te c!ty 'ur!n" te com!n" elect!on.

#en we come to te CHO1M reort, I w$nt to $'%!se t$t !t !s !" t!me we st$rte' to be sec!&!c $boutsome c$ses $n' '!sose tem. Tose wo were $&&ecte' by te reort w!ll be "!%en $n oortun!ty to st$tete!r c$se suc t$t !t !s cons!'ere'.

MR SSEKIKUBO:T$n* you, Mr Se$*er. I w$nt to $"ree t$t tere !s ur"ent bus!ness !n &orm o&

)$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334. I tou"t t$t t!s soul' $%e been brou"t to your $ttent!on muce$rl!er so t$t $s Members o& P$rl!$ment, we c$n re$re oursel%es &or te com!n" 'eb$te. #e $re !n $$b!t o& rele"$t!n" te CHO1M reort b$c*w$r's !n &$%our o& oter bus!ness. I &!n' !t %ery str$n"e $n' It!n* c$ut!on soul' be "!%en so t$t P$rl!$ment soul' not be t$*en &or $ r!'e.

THE SPEAKER:I ent!rely concur w!t you $n' I $%e not!n" use&ul to $''. -ut rules s$y t$t I soul'"!%e r!or!ty to 1o%ernment bus!ness. Members o& te ubl!c $re $n5!ous to *now te st$tus o& )$m$l$bec$use my le$rne' &r!en', on. /u*w$"o, $s !n'!c$te' !s !ntent!on to st$n'. Te te5t w!c we $', teost o& m$yor w$s not elect!%e $n' m$y $%e c$n"e' now $n' we nee' to *now.

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THE )AMPA/A CAPITA/ CITY -I//, 2334

6.22THE MINISTER O !O"A! #O$ERNMENT %Ado&' M(es)*e+:Mr Se$*er, I be" to mo%e t$t te)$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334 be re$' te secon' t!me.

THE SPEAKER:Secon'e'.

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MR MESI#E:Te )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll w$s &!rst re$' !n P$rl!$ment !n 7une 2334, $n' tere$&ter!t w$s re&erre' to te Comm!ttee on Publ!c Ser%!ce $n' /oc$l 1o%ernment, !n $ccor'$nce w!t te ruleso& t!s House.I $m "l$' to reort t$t we $%e wor*e' w!t te comm!ttee to scrut!n!se te -!ll, $n' m$'e cl$r!&!c$t!ons$n' $men'ments were necess$ry.

I $m "r$te&ul to te comm!ttee &or !ts e&&ort !n ensur!n" t$t te -!ll "ets $s muc ubl!c!ty $n' suort&rom $s m$ny st$*eol'ers $s oss!ble. I $%e been !n&orme' t$t $ cross8sect!on o& te ubl!c m$'e te!rresent$t!ons to te comm!ttee on t!s -!ll.

Te ob9ect o& t!s -!ll !s to est$bl!s, !n $ccor'$nce w!t Art!cle : o& te Const!tut!on ;Amen'ment0 Act,233:, )$m$l$ C!ty $s te c$!t$l o& U"$n'$. It !s $lso to ro%!'e &or te $'m!n!str$t!on $n' 'e%elomento& )$m$l$ C!ty by te Centr$l 1o%ernment.

It $lso ro%!'es &or te 'el!ne$t!on o& te terr!tor!$l boun'$ry o& )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty !n $ccor'$nce w!tArt!cle : o& te Const!tut!on.

I woul' l!*e to !n&orm, Mr Se$*er $n' onour$ble members, t$t 1o%ernment $s cons!'ere' te m$tter

o& te )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty Autor!ty $n' !s o& te %!ew t$t we s$ll use te current boun'$r!es o&)$m$l$ !str!ct.

Mr Se$*er, )$m$l$ $s !t !s to'$y, !s !n $ sorry st$te, 'es!te !ts contr!but!on to te N$t!on$l omest!cPro'uct, w!c !s est!m$te' $t :3 ercent $n' be!n" ome to ne$rly


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re=u!rements $re !mmense, cons!'er!n" te ser%!ces !t $s to 'el!%er. As $ result, m$ny o& !ts un!=ueroblems $n' nee's $%e not been $''resse' $n' $tten'e' to &or $ lon" t!me.

Te )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll !s 'es!"ne' to $''ress te un!=ue c$llen"es o& )$m$l$. Trou" tec$n"e' !nst!tut!on $n' "o%ern$nce $rr$n"ements, te l$w !s 'es!"ne' to $c!e%e te &ollow!n"?

@. Stren"ten te $'m!n!str$t!on $n' 'e%eloment o& )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty &or e&&ect!%e ser%!ce'el!%ery.

2. Stre$ml!ne $n' $rmon!se ys!c$l l$nn!n" !n te ne!"bour!n" '!str!cts o& #$*!so, M!"! $n'Mu*ono to &$c!l!t$te or'erly urb$n 'e%eloment.

6. To be$ut!&y )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty.

. To !mro%e te !n&r$structure suc $s ro$'s, $n' te sewer$"e systems to $n $ccet$ble st$n'$r'.

:. To &$c!l!t$te te !n%estments $n' cut 'own te cost o& 'o!n" bus!ness !n te c!ty.

B. Re'uce e$lt $n' en%!ronment$l $$r's to te res!'ents o& te c!ty trou" !mro%e' s$n!t$t!on.

D. To !mro%e collect!on $n' m$n$"ement o& re%enue !n te c$!t$l c!ty.


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Ser%!ce $n' /oc$l 1o%ernment on )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334. I t!n* Members $%e rece!%e'co!es o& t!s reort.

Te )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334 w$s re$' &or te &!rst t!me on 2 7une 2334. It w$s re&erre' to ourcomm!ttee !n $ccor'$nce w!t Rule @@2 $n' @@6 o& te Rules o& Proce'ure o& our P$rl!$ment.

In te rocess o& scrut!n!s!n" te -!ll, te comm!ttee '!scusse' !t $n' rece!%e' %!ews &rom te &ollow!n"st$*eol'ers?

@. Te M!n!ster o& /oc$l 1o%ernment.

2. Mr !ncent Sse*ono, te &ormer Perm$nent Secret$ry, M!n!stry o& /oc$l 1o%ernment $n' te currentbo$r' c$!rerson o& NSSF.

6. Mr 1or'on Mwes!"ye, &ormer Town Cler*, )CC.

. Al H$99! N$sser Nte"e Sseb$"$l$, te M$yor o& )$m$l$.

:. H$99! N$sser )!b!r!"e T$*ub$, C$!rm$n )$weme !%!s!on.

B. Mr Moses )$lun"! )!rum!r$, C$!rerson M$*!n'ye !%!s!on.

THE SPEAKER: O*$y, t!s !s cle$r $n' you nee' not re$' !t.

MR OTEKAT: O*$y. Mr Se$*er, te ol!cy r!nc!le &or te -!ll $s $lre$'y been outl!ne' by tem!n!ster+ $n' te !ssue o& )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty boun'$r!es $s $lso been outl!ne' by te m!n!ster. Allowme to touc on somet!n" concern!n" te Metrool!t$n Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Autor!ty bec$use t$t !s %ery!mort$nt to P$rl!$ment. It !s on te secon' $"e, Sect!on :.3.

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THE SPEAKER: M$ybe, s!nce te m!n!ster s$!' so, tese &our boun'$r!es o& )$m$l$ 8 I t!n* tem!n!ster wo !s te owner o& te -!ll $s tol' us t$t )$m$l$ w!ll rem$!n $s "$ette' $n' not "o to#$*!so $n' so &ort. I t!n* t$t soul' be cle$re'.

MR OTEKAT: On te boun'$r!es o& )$m$l$ C!ty, te comm!ttee coml!es w!t w$t te m!n!ster $s9ust st$te' t$t te boun'$r!es o& )$m$l$ w!ll rem$!n $s tey $re. Tey $%e been 'es!"n$te' $s )$m$l$!str!ct $n' te comm!ttee $s no roblem w!t t$t $t $ll. I w$nte' to !"l!"t on te Metrool!t$nPys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Autor!ty bec$use I $m sure Members w!ll w$nt to 8

THE SPEAKER: E5cuse me, be$r w!t me so t$t I c$n !ntro'uce oter IPs !n te "$llery. #e $%eH!s E5cellency, te Amb$ss$'or o& te Euroe$n Un!on, !ncent e !scer, Mr H$r%ey Rouse $n' Ms

Sus!e Ale"re, o&&!c!$ls o& te Euroe$n Un!on. Ple$se, 9o!n me !n welcom!n" tem. You $re mostwelcome. ('pplause

MR OTEKAT:Mr Se$*er, on $"e 2, we $%e te Metrool!t$n Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Autor!ty. Te -!llcre$tes $ Metrool!t$n Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Autor!ty $n' en9o!ns te Metrool!t$n Autor!ty to romote'e%eloment o& $ metrool!t$n 'e%eloment $n' structur$l l$n, $n' to $lso $n'le l$nn!n" !ssues w!t!nte metrool!t$n $re$.

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Te Metrool!t$n Autor!ty w!ll $%e to %eto l$ns &or te lower urb$n counc!ls w!c $re !ncons!stentw!t te metrool!t$n 'e%eloment $n' structure l$ns.

Te -!ll $lso ro%!'es t$t )$m$l$ C!ty Autor!ty s$ll not be $ loc$l "o%ernment. It, owe%er, ro%!'es&or te e5!stence o& lower urb$n counc!ls un'er te Autor!ty. Tese !nclu'e '!%!s!ons, w$r's, %!ll$"ecounc!ls $n' street comm!ttees w!t!n )$m$l$ C!ty.

Mr Se$*er, I w!ll not 'well muc on te st$tus o& )$m$l$ C!ty bec$use I *now Members $re $w$re o&w$t !t !s. I w!ll not e%en 'well on w$t te )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll !s $''ress!n" bec$use te m!n!ster$s 'welt on t$t. I w!ll "o str$!"t to $"e : un'er obser%$t!ons $n' ten cont!nue to recommen'$t!ons.

Mr Se$*er, te comm!ttee obser%e' t$t te 'e&!n!t!on o& te metrool!t$n $re$ !s not cle$r. A"$!n tem!n!ster $s o& course t$l*e' $bout t$t. #$t !s cont$!ne' !n te !nterret$t!on sect!on $s metrool!t$n$re$ !s %$"ue $n' con&us!n". A metrool!t$n $re$ &rom $ tecn!c$l o!nt o& %!ew !s $n urb$n $re$. #$t !sbe!n" !ml!e' !n te 'e&!n!t!on ere !s more rur$l t$n urb$n. T!s m$y $%e !ml!c$t!ons wenoer$t!on$l!s!n" some rules $n' re"ul$t!ons o& $n urb$n sett!n" !n $ rur$l conte5t.

In te %!ew o& te comm!ttee, te 'e&!n!t!on o& te metrool!t$n $re$ soul' st$te t$t, Te metrool!t$n

$re$ w!ll !nclu'e "eo"r$!c$l $re$ A, -, C et ceter$,G !nste$' o& s$y!n", Metrool!t$n $re$ to"eter w!tA, -, C.G Te two $re =u!te '!&&erent !n me$n!n".

Te -!ll ro%!'es &or te /or' M$yor $n' te euty /or' M$yor to be electe' &rom te loc$l colle"e o&counc!ls. T$t one $s been o%ert$*en by e%ents. -ut l!*e I s$!', te comm!ttee $s no ob9ect!on w!t tem$yor be!n" electe' un'er $'ult su&&r$"e.

Te -!ll roose' te Metrool!t$n Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Autor!ty. Howe%er, te comm!ttee note' t$t tero%!s!ons !n te -!ll rel$t!n" to te metrool!t$n l$nn!n" were "rossly !n$'e=u$te $n' 'o not re&lect $roer !cture $n' m$n$"ement o& metrool!t$n l$nn!n". #e s$ll "!%e $ recommen'$t!on $t te en' tosuort t$t.

Te comm!ttee &urter obser%e' t$t te roose' members! o& te Metrool!t$n Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n"Autor!ty !s !n$'e=u$te. It soul' be bee&e' u by $ sur%eyor $n' soc!$l sc!ent!st "!%en te &$ct t$tys!c$l l$nn!n" !s $ mult!8'!mens!on$l rocess.

Te comm!ttee $lso note' t$t te -!ll !s s!lent $bout tecn!c$l st$&& o& te Metrool!t$n Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n"Autor!ty, w!c te comm!ttee t!n*s le$%es $ ser!ous %$cuum &or te -o$r' to oer$te.

Cl$use 23;60 o& te -!ll sets te terms o& o&&!ce &or te -o$r' Members o& te Metrool!t$n Autor!ty &ortree ye$rs wo s$ll be el!"!ble &or re$o!ntment &or one more term. In %!ew o& te comm!ttee, t!s !stoo sort $ er!o' &or !n'uct!on, re$r$t!on $n' !mlement$t!on o& te str$te"!c l$ns o& te Autor!ty.

Cl$use @@;"0 ro%!'es t$t te /or' M$yor !s to ro%!'e "u!'$nce to te '!%!s!on $'m!n!str$tors. Te

comm!ttee won'ere' !& t!s m$*es te '!%!s!on m$yors subor'!n$te to !s /or' te M$yor s!nce t!s $sbeen $ borne o& content!on !n te current sett!n" l$r"ely bec$use te rel$t!ons! between H!s /or's!te M$yor $n' te '!%!s!on c$!rersons $s not been cle$rly 'e&!ne'.

Te comm!ttee &urter obser%e' t$t te -!ll ro%!'es te lower urb$n counc!ls l!*e '!%!s!ons, w$r's,%!ll$"es $n' street comm!ttees, w!c !s $ 'ul!c$t!on o& te &unct!on o& te )$m$l$ Metrool!t$nAutor!ty. All tese 'ul!c$t!ons $%e &!n$nc!$l !ml!c$t!ons $n' tey $re $lso centres o& ower stru""le.

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Te comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t$t te Metrool!t$n Pl$nn!n" Autor!ty !s "!%en te resons!b!l!ty o&construct!n" ro$'s $n' te!r m$!nten$nce. -ut, Mr Se$*er, un'er D 8 Funct!ons o& te Autor!ty, ;"0 t$l*so& te construct!on o& ro$'s, $n' tese m!5e' u roles w!ll cre$te con&us!on $n' soul' be $%o!'e'.

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:. Te comm!ttee $lso recommen's t$t $ '!rector$te o& ys!c$l l$nn!n" soul' be est$bl!se' $s oneo& te '!rector$tes o& te Autor!ty to sec!&!c$lly 'e$l w!t ys!c$l l$nn!n", bec$use t$t $' beenle&t out !n te '!rector$tes o& te Autor!ty.

B. Te 'el!ne$t!on o& Men"o Mun!c!$l!ty !s $ ol!t!c$l 'ec!s!on. Te comm!ttee recommen'e' t$t1o%ernment soul' cle$rly 'e&!ne !ts rel$t!ons! w!t Men"o on te &ollow!n" !n $rt!cul$r?

!. In&r$structur$l l$nn!n" o& Men"o Mun!c!$l!ty+!!. Pol!c!n" "$rb$"e collect!on $n' '!sos$l+ $n'!!!. Street l!"t!n" $n' $yment o& street l!"t!n".

T$t !s, ow 'oes te "o%ernment w$nt to rel$te w!t Men"o !n tose $re$s.

In conclus!on, te comm!ttee recommen's t$t te )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334 be $sse' !nto l$wsub9ect to te $men'ments t$t we s$ll br!n" wen we re$c Comm!ttee St$"e. I t$n* you, Mr Se$*er.

THE SPEAKER:T$n* you %ery muc, C$!rm$n $n' members o& te comm!ttee.

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MR ERIAS !UKA#O %-P, Kam3a&a "era&, Kam3a&a+: T$n* you, Mr Se$*er &or t!soortun!ty $n' t$n* you, C$!rerson o& te comm!ttee $n' te m!n!ster &or te resent$t!on. Te rulesre=u!re t$t wen $ m$tter comes u &or 'eb$te, !& you $%e !nterests or you $re $n !ntereste' $rty, you'ecl$re your !nterest be&ore rocee'!n" w!t te 'eb$te.

Mr Se$*er, I woul' w!s to "o on recor' t$t I $m $n !ntereste' $rty $n' I w!ll 'eb$te on t$t rem!se. Iwoul' w!s to "o on recor' t$t I 'o !nten' to st$n' &or te os!t!on o& m$yor !n )$m$l$ $n' I w$nte' to'!sclose t$t r!"t &rom te be"!nn!n".

H$%!n" s$!' t$t, $llow me to m$*e te &ollow!n" obser%$t!ons. One, r!"t &rom te t!me t!s -!ll w$st$ble' be&ore t!s House, !t r$!se' $ lot o& $n5!ety w!t!n te ol!t!c$l bo'y $n' $rt!cul$rly ere !n)$m$l$. It w$s rece!%e' w!t m!5e' &eel!n"s $n' te s!r!t o& 1o%ernment w$s re$lly 'oubte' $s to

weter !t w$s !nten'e' to stre$ml!ne te $'m!n!str$t!on o& te c!ty or !t w$s $bout ower stru""le 9ust tot$*e o%er m$n$"ement o& te c!ty by te Centre, NRM c$n'!'$tes $%!n" &$!le' to w!n "ener$l elect!ons.

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THE SPEAKER:Honour$ble, w$t !s cle$r $n' were we soul' not w$ste our t!me !s te =uest!on o&weter Centr$l 1o%ernment !s t$*!n" o%er )$m$l$. T!s !s cle$rly selt out !n te Const!tut!on. It !s not$ ol!cy m$tter, but $ =uest!on o& !mlement!n" te ro%!s!on o& te Const!tut!on, w!c ro%!'e t$t)$m$l$ C!ty Counc!l s$ll be un'er te Centr$l 1o%ernment.

MR !UKA#O: Most obl!"e', Mr Se$*er, but I $m $lso $l!%e to te ro%!s!ons o& Art!cle @;0 w!cro%!'e &or eole(s ower to 'ec!'e wo soul' "o%ern tem $n' ow tey soul' be "o%erne' $n' I $m

$y be $t!ent, on. M!n!ster. on(t you w$nt me to "o on recor' t$t I 'o $rec!$te te os!t!ont$*en by te m!n!ster to $men' te -!ll $n' s$y t$t now elect!ons s$ll be b$se' on te r!nc!le o& $'ultsu&&r$"e> T!s !s te $llm$r* o& 'emocr$cy, w!c we $re try!n" to nurture !n t!s country. /et us notrew!n' te cloc* b$c* to te ol' loc$l counc!l system o& l!n!n" u be!n' $ c$n'!'$te.

H$%!n" s$!' t$t, I woul' $lso w!s to $rec!$te te m!n!ster(s os!t!on to $men' te -!ll !n resect to tecl$uses rel$t!n" to te $lter!n" o& boun'$r!es. It $' $lso r$!se' &e$rs !n %$r!ous c!rcles $rt!cul$rly w!t!nte -u"$n'$ )!n"'om, $bout te r$t!on$le $n' o& course te const!tut!on$l !ml!c$t!ons w!c $' beenr$!se'.

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It w$s er&ectly !n or'er &or te m!n!ster to t$*e t$t os!t!on, but e%en w!t tose su""este' $men'ments,tere $re st!ll $ number o& !ssues to be $''resse' !n t!s -!ll. One !s on te =uest!on o& te owers o& te/or' M$yor #isa#is te E5ecut!%e !rector. I see $ otent!$l '$n"er ere. Tere !s too muc ower%este' !n te O&&!ce o& te E5ecut!%e !rector $s oose' to te /or' M$yor.

Yes, te -!ll s$ys t$t te /or' M$yor s$ll be te ol!t!c$l e$', but more or less, te e5ecut!%e owers$re %este' !n te O&&!ce o& te E5ecut!%e !rector. Te =uest!on woul' be, #o woul' be suer!or towom>G #o !s $nswer$ble to wom> Is te /or' M$yor $nswer$ble to te E5ecut!%e !rector or !s !t teE5ecut!%e !rector wo !s $nswer$ble to te /or' M$yor> Tese $re !ssues t$t we nee' to $''ress.

Secon'ly, te not!on /or' M$yor resuoses t$t tere $re subor'!n$te $utor!t!es e$'e' by $ m$yor orr$ter m$yors $t '!%!s!on$l le%el. o we st!ll $%e t$t os!t!on or te m!n!ster !nten's to $men' !t so t$tte '!%!s!on e$'s rem$!n w!t te t!tle o& c$!rersons $n' we ret$!n te current st$tus =uo, or $re we"o!n" to $%e %$r!ous ower centres w!t m$yors $s t!tles>

Also, on te =uest!on o& te %eto owers o& te m!n!ster, I $m $y w!t te obser%$t!ons o& tecomm!ttee t$t tese owers $re too muc $n' t$t we nee'e' to str!*e $ b$l$nce. Yes, te m!n!ster

soul' $%e $ s$y !n te m$n$"ement o& te c!ty, but we soul' loo* $t te bro$'er ol!cy o& 'e%olut!ono& owers to te loc$l $utor!ty+ te m!n!ster w!t te r!nc!le o& eyes on, $n's o&&(, but now you c$nsee te m!n!ster !s not only $%!n" !s eyes on, but e%en !n '!rect control !n te c!ty, $n' e $s o%err!'!n"owers to 'ec!'e w!c 'ec!s!on !s to be uel' or w!c !s to be resc!n'e'. T$t !s $lso $ rec!e &or'!s$ster.

F!n$lly, on te t!m!n" o& t!s -!ll, I c$n see t$t t!s -!ll $&&ects te current elector$l system !n one w$y orte oter. Nom!n$t!on &or loc$l counc!ls !n )$m$l$ !s 9ust te '$y $&ter tomorrow $n' I c$n see eole$re $lre$'y re$r!n" &or nom!n$t!ons+ te Elector$l Comm!ss!on !s $lre$'y or"$n!s!n" te elect!ons, $n'ten we come u w!t $ l$w w!c !s "o!n" !n one w$y or te oter to $&&ect te elector$l system $n' !tmust be $ssente' to by te Pres!'ent.

Tere $re $re$s, l!*e &or e5$mle, we $re t$l*!n" o& counsellors wo $re "o!n" to reresent st$tutorybo'!es, NEMA, 'octors, $n' $rc!tects. It !s $ll ere $n' we $%e to $%e $ mec$n!sm or roce'ure onow tey $re "o!n" to be electe'. Tey $re counsellors wo $re e58o&&!c!os $n' wo $re "o!n" to reresentm!n!str!es. Tere must be re"ul$t!ons to "u!'e te Elector$l Comm!ss!on on ow to con'uct toseelect!ons $n' te Elector$l Comm!ss!on $s $lw$ys coml$!ne' $bout l$ws be!n" $sse' l$te.

Te oter '$y we were !n court w!t te Elector$l Comm!ss!on. Tere !s $ l$w we $sse' ere $n' I $'to c$llen"e te Elector$l Comm!ss!on !n courts o& l$w wen tey &$!le' to comly w!t te re=u!rementto ubl!s te l!st o& $ll l$ces were te %oters( re"!ster w$s suose' to be '!sl$ye'. I went to court$n' "ot $ 9u'"ement o& court were court s$!' loo*, te Elector$l Comm!ss!on ne%er coml!e' w!t t!sl$w $n' soul' '!sl$y te re"!ster $"$!n. Te comm!ss!on !s s$y!n" no, te l$w c$me l$te $n' we $re notre$'y to comly w!t t$t l$w. I $m won'er!n" !& we $sse' t!s l$w to'$y 8 ()nterruption

MRS O#A!: T$n* you, Mr Se$*er. -e&ore te Member ol'!n" te Floor conclu'es !sresent$t!on, I w$nt to "!%e !m !n&orm$t!on b$se' on my *nowle'"e o& w$t "oes on !n oter c!t!es. I$%e been $ble to meet =u!te $ number o& m$yors !n &ore!"n countr!es $n' I $%e '!sco%ere', $n' I t!n* !t!s true, t$t m$yors 8 t$t !s wy tey $re c$lle' /or' M$yors 8 $re re$lly suose' to lor'G o%er t!n"s.Te!r le$'ers! !s ceremon!$l. Tey $re not suose' to en"$"e !n te *!n' o& &unct!on$l wor* t$tU"$n'$ns seem to t!n* te M$yor o& )$m$l$ soul' 'o. I t!n* t!s !s were te system $s bro*en'own. Te m$yor soul' be ceremon!$l+ te m$yor soul' $%e '!st!n"u!se' wor* cle$rly 'e&!ne' $n'

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we soul' $%e e5erts $n' $'m!n!str$tors to run te $&&$!rs o& te c!ty. I t!n* t!s !s &rom te!ntern$t!on$l ercet!on o& w$t $ m$yor !s suose' to be.

I w$nt to "!%e t!s !n&orm$t!on !n "oo' &$!t so t$t !& !t coul' el us 'es!"n $ "oo' l$w ('pplause* !n$ny c$se, te Attorney81ener$l *nows t$t FC !s l!*ely to t$*e o%er 1o%ernment+ so, wy $re youworr!e'> (%au&hter

Mr Se$*er, I w$nt t!s !n&orm$t!on to el tose wo m$y be re9u'!c!$l $bout te ob9ect!%es o& w$t !sst$te' ere. I *now tere $re $ number o& t!n"s t$t we nee' to cle$n u, but I *now t$t we nee' to "!%ete r!"t 9ob 'escr!t!on to te M$yor o& )$m$l$. It !s only t$t w$y t$t we $re "o!n" to cle$n te c!ty o&)$m$l$. I t$n* you.

MR !UKA#O:Hon. Cec!l!$ O"w$l, I t$n* you &or t$t !n&orm$t!on $n' I t$*e !t !n "oo' &$!t. -utte !ssue !s t$t te /or' M$yor, $ccor'!n" to t!s -!ll $n' $ccor'!n" to te l$w, soul' $%e ol!t!c$l$utor!ty. He !s te ol!t!c$l e$'. I won'er ow $ ol!t!c$l le$'er woul' 9ust be ceremon!$l. Te ne5tt!n" you *now, you w!ll be t$l*!n" $bout $ ceremon!$l res!'ent.

So, !n t!s $rt!cul$r c$se, I t!n* te /or' M$yor soul' $%e e5ecut!%e owers to e&&ect!%ely l$y te

o%ers!"t roles bec$use t$t !s te *ey &unct!on o& te /or' M$yor $n' counsel 8 te ol!t!c$l le$'ers! tol$y te o%ers!"t role !n te counc!l. Oterw!se, I t$n* you &or te $men'ments you $%e m$'e, on.m!n!ster. I t$l*e' $bout te -!ll be!n" brou"t l$te+ so, I 'o not *now ow you $re "o!n" to $''ress t!s,bec$use on Turs'$y morn!n", we $re "o!n" $e$' w!t te nom!n$t!ons. I t$n* you, Mr Se$*er.

6.:4MR .OHN KAAN#A %-P, Masaa Mu)4)3a&)y, Masaa+:I t$n* you, Mr Se$*er. I t$n* tem!n!ster &or $%!n" $mbuse' us !n te w$y e $s 'one. It !s re"rett$ble bec$use te 'ec!s!on $bout)$m$l$ w$s m$'e w!t te $men'ment to te Const!tut!on !n 233:. T!s -!ll w$s brou"t !n 2334. It !sun&ortun$te t$t t!s 'eb$te $s been brou"t two '$ys be&ore nom!n$t!ons $re on, $n' !t concerns m$ttersw!c $re so ert!nent. It !s $ re&lect!on on te l$nn!n" $rr$n"ements o& 1o%ernment. T$t !s te worst Ic$n s$y $bout !t. It !s $lso necess$ry t$t )$m$l$ !s $n'le' !n $ sec!&!c m$nner. It !s s$' t$t we $%e

"ot $ c!ty t$t !s currently te w$y !t !s or w!c !s $'m!n!stere' !n te m$nner t$t !t !s. T!s !s somet!n"t$t soul' $%e been $n'le' $ lon" t!me $"o.

#en te $men'ments were brou"t $bout $ ye$r $"o, te s!r!t o& te Act or te -!ll ten w$s !"lyuse' to te b$c*. I $m $y to note t$t 1o%ernment $e$rs to $%e t$*en note o& te reser%$t!ons orte &e$rs o& te %$r!ous st$*eol'ers $n' $s mo%e' te $men'ments, but !t loo*s l!*e e%en te c$!rm$no& te comm!ttee $s been t$*en by surr!se $bout tose re$l $men'ments.

I $m $y t$t te /or' M$yor !s "o!n" to be '!rectly electe'. I $m $y t$t l$n' owners! !ssues$%e not been m!5e' u w!t te ys!c$l l$nn!n" &unct!ons, $n' I $m $lso $y t$t 1o%ernment$ctu$lly sees nee' to $%e )$m$l$ $n'le' !n $ new $tmosere.

-ut be t$t $s !t m$y, cert$!n t!n"s now $r!se. One, 'o we $%e te ys!c$l l$nners wo $re "o!n" to!mlement t!s -!ll> I $m $s*!n" t!s =uest!on bec$use not so lon" $"o, t!s %ery House $sse' tePys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act $n' !t !s $lre$'y $n Act o& P$rl!$ment. It w$s me$nt to co%er te wole country,)$m$l$ !nclus!%e, but e%er s!nce !t w$s $sse', nobo'y $s t$*en te !n!t!$t!%e to see !t !mlemente'.#e 'o not e%en *now wen !ts commencement !s "o!n" to t$*e l$ce. #$t "u$r$ntee 'o we $%e tent$t $&ter we $ss t!s -!ll !nto $n Act, !t w!ll be !mlemente'> ()nterruption

MR KAABUSA ERIKHE:T$n* you, Mr Se$*er $n' I woul' l!*e to t$n* my colle$"ue &or"!%!n" w$y. Te Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act t$t w$s $sse' $s $lre$'y st$rte' wor*!n". #e $re

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!mlement!n" !t. You nee' to "o on te "roun'. So, we c$nnot come ere $n' tell you t$t !t !s wor*!n"t!s mont. Te ys!c$l l$nn!n" -!lls t$t $re subm!tte' $re scrut!n!se' $ccor'!n" to te new Act, $n'te l$nners $re be!n" recru!te' $ccor'!n" to te new Act, $n' t$t !s w$t we $re 'o!n" now. So, te Act!s wor*!n". I be" to reort.

MR KAAN#A: I t$n* te m!n!ster &or t$t !n&orm$t!on, but wen you re$' te Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n"

Act, tere !s $ commencement '$te &or t$t Act. It must be by $ st$tutory !nstrument !ssue' by tem!n!ster, to tell us te commencement '$te. H$s t$t !nstrument been $sse'> So, !& !t $s re$lly been$sse', ow $re we !mlement!n" t$t Act> -ut let me br!n" t$t to te not!ce o& te m!n!ster so t$t e'oes te nee'&ul, $n' $s &$r $s t$t Act !s concerne', !ts commencement !s "o!n" to be $ '!&&erent '$te $n'!t $s to be st$te'. So, t$t $sect $s to be $n'le' !& t$t Act $s to be !mlemente'.

-ut be t$t $s !t m$y, e%en te bo'!es t$t !mlement !t $re n$me' $n' tey !nclu'e )$m$l$. So, !& t$tAct !s to $ss, ten we m$y $%e to m$*e $n $men'ment w!c e5clu'es )$m$l$ &rom te oer$t!on o&te Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act !& t!s one $s to come !nto e5ecut!on.

Te oter !ssue !s, !& you $re "o!n" to $men' te Act to m$*e te /or' M$yor electe' by e%erybo'y !n)$m$l$ $n' yet you $%e "ot $n E5ecut!%e !rector, ow $re you "o!n" to $n'le te con&l!ct o& !nterest

o& $n electe' m$yor wo t!n*s e $s te m$n'$te o& te eole $n' $n $o!nte' e5ecut!%e '!rector worece!%es '!rect!%es &rom te Centr$l 1o%ernment> T!s !s somet!n" t$t $s to be $n'le'+ oterw!se we$re "o!n" to run !nto con&l!ct. #$t $bout te oter counc!llors wo w!ll be electe'> #$t w!ll be te!r&unct!on !& tey $%e to ol' elect!%e o&&!ces>

Te oter !ssue !s te rel$t!ons! between )$m$l$ C!ty, wose boun'$r!es $%e now been 'e&!ne', $n'$ll te ne!"bour!n" '!str!cts. I& )$m$l$ $s to be l$nne', !t !s necess$ry t$t e%en te ne!"bour!n"'!str!cts $%e to be l$nne' $n' tose l$ns soul' be $ble to $rmon!se w!t te ones o& )$m$l$ C!ty.How $re you "o!n" to $n'le t$t !& you $re oer$t!n" un'er '!&&erent st$tutes> T$*e te e5$mle o&!n&r$structure+ !& we $re to est$bl!s $ r$!lw$y system w!c oer$tes &rom )$m$l$ to -ulob$ $n'beyon', or e%en Entebbe, w!c soul' be !n l$ce by now, ow $re we "o!n" to $n'le !t between tee5!st!n" le"!sl$t!ons $n' te one t$t we $re now "o!n" to $ss>

F!n$lly, I woul' l!*e to t$l* $bout te =uest!on o& costs. One o& te '!s$sters o& )$m$l$ !s t$t !t $s'e&!e' l$nn!n" bec$use te eole wo l!%e !n !t $%e not been tol' t$t tey must be $rt o& $ l$nne'c!ty.

#ene%er you t$l* $bout l$nn!n", eole s$y t$t tey must be comens$te', w!c !s $bsolutely r!"tbec$use cert$!n t!n"s $%e to be bro*en 'own !& te l$ns $re to t$*e l$ce. -ut $s 1o%ernment t$*en!nto $ccount te *!n' o& costs t$t $re "o!n" to be !n%ol%e' !n !mlement!n" w$te%er ys!c$l l$ns you$re "o!n" to ut !n l$ce> An' !& you $%e l$nne' &or )$m$l$, w$t $bout te ne!"our!n" '!str!cts,bec$use tey too, $%e to be t$*en !nto $ccount> I $m s$y!n" t!s bec$use, &or tose o& you wo $%e seen$ &ew ro$'s t$t $re be!n" 'one you re$!r $ murr$m ro$' to'$y or e%en !n te outs*!rts o& )$m$l$, butte &ollow!n" '$y, te eole wo $re !n te ne!"bouroo' st$rt construct!n" te!r own ums bec$use

tey t!n* te %e!cles w!ll now be runn!n" $t $ &$ster see'. Te roblem !s t$t tey m$*e unm$r*e'ums w!t nobo'y '!sc!l!n!n" tem.

So, !& you $%e to t$l* $bout ys!c$l l$nn!n", w$t s$nct!ons $re you "o!n" to ut !n l$ce to ensuretose eole wo 'o not comly w!t te l$ns $re $n'le'> T!s soul' be t$*en !nto $ccount bec$use !t!s te r!c eole 8 te !mort$nt eole, wo 'o not comly w!t te l$ns. You see tem bu!l'!n" !nwetl$n's $n' c$us!n" $ll te $%oc $roun' w!t !mun!ty. #$t "u$r$ntee 'o we $%e t$t $&ter $ss!n"t!s -!ll !nto l$w, !t w!ll be !mlemente'>

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I woul' l!*e, owe%er, to s$y t$t !t !s $ $y moment &or us to be $ble to $''ress te =uest!on o&$'m!n!ster!n" )$m$l$ !n $ mo'ern w$y. I t$n* you, Mr Se$*er.

.3 I,tere&ore, subm!t t$t t!s -!ll be w!tel' unt!l $&ter te elect!ons. I t$n* you.

.@2MR .AMES AKENA %UP", !)ra Mu)4)3a&)y, !)ra+:T$n* you, Mr Se$*er. I w!s to r$!se someconcerns !n one $rt!cul$r $re$. Te onour$ble m!n!ster !n !s resent$t!on tr!e' to co%er $rt o& !t, but !t!s un&ortun$te t!s !s te one sect!on t$t te c$!rm$n o& te comm!ttee le&t out, yet !t co%ers te uroseo& t!s -!ll.

#e $re 'eb$t!n" t!s -!ll, but we $re not loo*!n" cle$rly $t w$t !ts urose !s. Follow!n" w$t te on.M!n!ster s$!', I $%e $ lot more concerns. Amon" te !ssues to be $''resse' by t!s -!ll !s te

!mro%ement o& ro$'s, 'r$!n$"e $n' te sewer$"e systems w!t!n )$m$l$ C!ty. -ut we $%e not tou"t$bout te &$ct t$t t!s roblem !s not un!=ue to )$m$l$ $lone. So, !& t$t !s te r!nc!le un'er w!c we$re br!n"!n" t!s -!ll were tere $re otoles, somebo'y soul' t$*e resons!b!l!ty.

In te mun!c!$l!ty t$t I reresent, we $re $lso 'rown!n" !n otoles. Te 'r$!n$"e system !s e=u$llycoll$s!n". Te sewer$"e $n' te s$n!t$t!on s!tu$t!on !s e%en worse were te Centr$l 1o%ernment $sresons!b!l!ty. An' $s you m$y be $w$re, I $%e on se%er$l occ$s!ons r$!se' te m$tter t$t te Pol!ceb$rr$c*s !n my mun!c!$l!ty !s $ b!" roblem. E$c t!me !t r$!ns, we "et worr!e' $bout coler$ $n''ysentery sre$'!n" to te ne$rby scools.

I& te teory !s t$t Centr$l 1o%ernment c$n $''ress t!s roblem $n' !t !s $lso co%er!n" te $re$ o& ro$'s o& recent Centr$l 1o%ernment too* o%er $ number o& ro$'s. Yes, tey $%e 'one some wor*+ but some

o& te ro$'s $re $ctu$lly !n $ worse s!tu$t!on t$n tey were !n, be&ore Centr$l 1o%ernment too* o%ertem. In tose c!rcumst$nces, were 'o we now tr$ns&er te resons!b!l!ty>

I $m concerne' t$t !& 1o%ernment $s not 'emonstr$te' $b!l!ty to $''ress some o& tese roblems !noter $re$s, w$t m$*es us t!n* t$t by t$*!n" o%er )$m$l$ C!ty, tey w!ll $''ress tese roblems> Tel$nn!n" !ssue o& )$m$l$ '!' not be"!n yester'$y. Te roblems t$t $%e 'e%eloe' '!' not be"!nyester'$y+ tey $re !ssues t$t $%e been on"o!n". #e now &!n' $ s!tu$t!on !n )$m$l$ were one c$nnot'!rect te!r %!s!tors to te!r l$ces o& res!'ence. T!s $s tr!c*le' to te mun!c!$l!t!es $n' oter towns,w!c 'el!%er s!m!l$r ser%!ces l!*e )$m$l$ w!t!n te!r re"!ons.

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Are we sure t$t t!s -!ll !s re$lly $''ress!n" te roblems $s st$te' or tere $re some oter re$sonsbe!n' te t$bl!n" o& t!s -!ll>

Te m!n!ster r$!se' $ concern t$t te &!re ser%!ces soul' re$c $ll $re$s. -ut two ye$rs $"o, !n /!r$Mun!c!$l!ty, we $' $ &!re $n' te closest &!re en"!ne w$s !n 1ulu. Te ne5t one w$s !n Sorot!. Centr$l

1o%ernment t$t be$rs te resons!b!l!ty $s not $''resse' !t. #e $%e numerous &!res !n %$r!ousmun!c!$l!t!es $cross te country. How !s t!s -!ll "o!n" to $''ress some o& tese "l$r!n" roblems>

Is tere some m!r$cle be!n' t!s -!ll w!c !s su''enly "o!n" to m$*e cert$!n &unct!ons wor* moree&&!c!ently t$n tey $%e, re%!ously> My only concern !s, c$n we cle$rly st$te w$t te -!ll !s suose'to $''ress $n' ow t!s -!ll !s sec!&!c$lly "o!n" to $''ress tose roblems> T$n* you, Mr Se$*er.

THE SPEAKER: In te IP "$llery t!s $&ternoon, we $%e Mr N!col$s 'e Torrente, Pro"r$mmeM$n$"er, eeen!n" emocr$cy Pro"r$mme, $n' Mr S!mon Osborne, Comonent M$n$"er, Pol!t!c$lP$rt!es $n' P$rl!$ment$ry eeen!n" emocr$cy Pro"r$mme. Tese $re our 'e%eloment $rtners+ tey$re ere to obser%e te bus!ness con'ucte' !n te House. You $re most welcome. ;'pplause

.@DMR THEO-ORE SSEKIKUBO %NRM, !(em)ya*a "ouy, Ssembabu&e+: T$n* you %ery muc,Mr Se$*er. I r!se to suort te mot!on !n $s &$r $s !t !s $ttemt!n" to $''ress te numerous roblems !n)$m$l$ C!ty. )$m$l$ C!ty nee'e' more $ttent!on yester'$y t$n to'$y. A c!ty t$t !s te m!rror o& tecountry re$lly nee'e' subst$nt!$l e&&ort, w!c !s 'el!ber$te !n %!ew o& te l$nn!n" $n' te runn!n" o& tec!ty l!*e oter worl' c$!t$ls.

#en you w$l* on te streets o& )$m$l$+ wen you "o to rece!%e ser%!ces ren'ere' by te c!ty 8 t!s !ste only c!ty w!c w$s l$nne' &or s!5 m!ll!on U"$n'$ns, but now we $re 6@ m!ll!on U"$n'$ns. Youloo* $t te c!ty+ you &$!l to "et $r*!n" $n' te ser%!ces 8 loo* $t te ro$'s t$t $re be!n" constructe' !n)$m$l$. Imme'!$tely te ro$' !s constructe', N$t!on$l #$ter $n' Sewer$"e '!"s te ro$'+ te osts $n'telecommun!c$t!ons '!" trou" te s$me ro$'+ e%en w!tout $ny ose, you &!n' oter ser%!ce ro%!'ers

c$rry!n" out contr$'!ctory wor*s $lon" te c!ty streets.

I woul' l!*e to ur"e Members t$t !t !s !" t!me we $' $ l$nne' c!ty. Te oter '$y, I w$s !n N$!rob!,but $$rently !t seems to be $ ste $e$'. E%en te ro$' &rom te 7omo )eny$tt$ Intern$t!on$l A!rort toN$!rob!, you c$nnot com$re !t w!t t!s one &rom )$m$l$ to Entebbe, 'es!te te &$ct t$t we $%e 9ustrecently oste' CHO1M. #e m!sse' te oortun!ty to $%e $ 'u$l c$rr!$"e ro$' $n' I tou"t, m$ybe !t!s !" t!me we $' $ centr$l l$nn!n" un!t $n' $n' o%er te c!ty to $ cometent bo'y, $n' I stron"lysuort t!s $rr$n"ement.

H$%!n" s$!' t$t, te mere utt!n" u o& )$m$l$ $s $ se$r$te ent!ty &rom te rest o& te country 8 I t!n*t$t !n our l$nn!n", we 'o not cons!'er te current boun'$r!es o& te c!ty, bec$use te c!ty !s e5$n'!n",but te m!n!ster $s 9ust conce'e' t$t te boun'$r!es o& )$m$l$ s$ll rem$!n $s tey $re.

T!s !s '$n"erous !n $ sense t$t we $re com!n" out to l$n to see ow )$m$l$ &!ts w!t tene!"bour!n" '!str!cts l!*e Mu*ono, M!"!, #$*!so $n' oters. I& we l!m!t te oer$t!on o& te -!ll totose $re$s o& te current boun'$r!es, !t m$y not "!%e &ull we!"t to te essence o& te -!ll J

THE SPEAKER: Hon. Member, we $re 'e$l!n" w!t somet!n" w!c w$s $ comm$n' o& teConst!tut!on $n' wen you re$' Art!cle :, you w!ll &!n' out w$t const!tutes U"$n'$. You w!ll &!n' t$ttey t$l* $bout re"!ons, te c$!t$l, $n' '!str!cts. I& you $re to e5$n' te c$!t$l, w!c !s No.2 !n tebr!c*s m$*!n" U"$n'$, you w!ll be m!5!n" u br!c*s+ t$t !s wy I t!n* e $s s$!' tey w!ll not t$*e

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Entebbe $s $rt o& te c$!t$l bec$use Entebbe !s $rt o& $ re"!on. So, try!n" to br!n" $ $rt o& $ re"!on !n$n $re$ w!c !s not $rt o& te re"!on, m$y c$use $ const!tut!on$l roblem.

MR SEKIKUBO:Most obl!"e', Mr Se$*er, tou" I w$s loo*!n" $t ow te -!ll c$n be $rmon!se',s$y ow te l$nn!n" $utor!ty c$n rel$te w!t oter $re$s not sec!&!c$lly )$m$l$ $lone.

MR BA--A:T$n* you, Mr Se$*er. I w$nt to !n&orm on. Sse*!*ubo t$t !n te -!ll, !t !s !n'!c$te't$t $ metrool!t$n $rr$n"ement $n' ys!c$l l$nn!n" w!ll $''ress te $'9$cent $re$s t$t ne!"bour)$m$l$. So, your &e$r !s be!n" $''resse' by $ ys!c$l l$nn!n" $utor!ty.

MR SSEKIKUBO:T$n* you, on. -$''$. -ut $mon"st w$t !s be!n" en%!s$"e' !s to &$c!l!t$te!n%estments $n' cut 'own te cost o& 'o!n" bus!ness !n te c!ty. I re$lly 'o not *now ow t!s w!ll be$ctu$l!se' bec$use wen you t$l* o& !n%estment, we $re currently $%!n" te !n'ustr!$l $r* $t N$m$n%e. Iw!s te Members coul' %!s!t te $r*. How m$ny !n'ustr!es $%e been est$bl!se' tere> You m$y &!n'more res!'ent!$l ouses !n te suose' !n'ustr!$l $r*. How s$ll we &$c!l!t$te !n%estments> /oo* $t te&ormer Co&&ee M$r*et!n" -o$r', w$t !n%estment !s tere> /oo* $t te !n'ustr!$l $re$ !n te m!''le o& tec!ty, te best you c$n &!n' $re w$reouses, no !n'ustry to t$l* $bout.

Te o!nt I $m 'r!%!n" $t !s t$t, !t !s not enou" to $%e $ -!ll, but !t soul' be $ccom$n!e' by $ct!%e'el!ber$te me$sures to $c!e%e t!s. Sort o& t!s, we $re m$*!n" $ l$w &or ol!t!c$l e5e'!ency, but wem$y not be $ble to re$l!se te en%!s$"e' bene&!ts on te "roun'.

Mr Se$*er, l$stly, I woul' l!*e to comment $bout te owers "!%en to te m!n!ster. M!n!sters $%e $ll$lon" $' owers, but ow $%e tey er&orme' !n te!r 'oc*ets> /oo* $t $ll te m!n!str!es+ loo* $t owtey $%e been er&orm!n" un'er te!r 'oc*ets. Alre$'y, $re tey $%!n" success stor!es t$t )CC $sbeen un'er $ loc$l "o%ernment $rr$n"ement, $n' t$t !s wy tere $s been m!sm$n$"ement> It !s not tec$se. /oo* $t te bo'!es t$t $re un'er Centr$l 1o%ernment. To me, !t w!ll only be cosmet!c to t!n* t$tt!s -!ll w!ll be $ $n$ce$. Te tot$l runn!n" 'own o& )$m$l$ $s been 'one e%en wen te Pres!'ent !s$ res!'ent !n te c!ty centre. Now e !s out $n' res!'es $t Entebbe, I t!n*. He le$%es be!n' $ c!ty t$t !s$lre$'y 'own.

So, te essence !s not to l$ce te c!ty un'er $n $utor!ty or Centr$l 1o%ernment. Te essence !s to $llowte c!ty $n' !ts or"$ns to &unct!on. I& tere !s l$w en&orcement, let us en&orce !t.

T!s bus!ness o& s$y!n" we s$ll en$nce re%enue "ener$t!on !n te c!ty once tere !s $n $utor!ty+ ows$ll we 'o t$t wen te m$r*et 'ues $re not collecte'> #en ol!t!cs t$*es te better s!'e o& teys!c$l l$nn!n" $n' m$n$"ement>

Mr Se$*er, I t!n* te roblem !s wen we em$scul$te te or"$ns $n' !nst!tut!ons &rom er&orm!n" te!rm$n'$te. I t$n* you.

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MR STEPHEN MUKITA!E %NRM, Bu&))sa "ouy, Mas)d)+: I t$n* you %ery muc, Mr Se$*er$n' on. colle$"ues. I w$nt to s!ncerely t$n* te m!n!ster &or $%!n" brou"t te -!ll, $n' $lso tecomm!ttee &or $%!n" w!sely n$%!"$te' trou" te contro%ers!es w!c were seem!n"ly %ery teet!n" $tte be"!nn!n".

I $m $y t$t t!s b!8$rt!s$n m$tter !s be!n" suorte' by $ll s!'es bec$use l$nn!n" o& our s!tt!n"room 8 !& I c$n c$ll !t so, bec$use wen you come to U"$n'$, your st$rt!n" o!nt !s )$m$l$+ )$m$l$ !ste !m$"e $n' !t !s, tere&ore, %ery !mort$nt t$t !t re&lects w$t te country soul' be. I $m $lso $y

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t$t te e$rl!er l$n"u$"e w!c w$s be!n" use', o& )$m$l$ t$*eo%er, seems to $%e subs!'e' $n' we $renow t$l*!n" $bout l$nn!n" o& $ c!ty, $n' I t!n* t$t !s %ery !mort$nt.

Te c$llen"e, owe%er, !s t$t $s we "r$le w!t te c$llen"e o& l$nn!n" te $lre$'y coml!c$te')$m$l$, te esc$e route &or $ more $&&luent l$ce o& l$nn!n", l!es outs!'e w$t we $re now c$ll!n")$m$l$. -ut I t!n* tere !s $ %ery b!" c$llen"e $s we 'e$l w!t te )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll.

1o%ernment soul' &!n' more money to e%en &!n$nce $n' oer$t!on$l!se te Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act !n#$*!so, Entebbe $n' Mu*ono.

For e5$mle, te /$*e !ctor!$ scenery w!c !s l$r"ely !n Mu*ono $n' #$*!so !s te l$ce to be, buttese '!str!cts 'o not $%e te money. So, I w$nt to em$s!se t$t $&ter m$*!n" te l$w, we $sP$rl!$ment, wen !t comes to $ror!$t!on, soul' ut more money !n te l$n' sector.

In t!s country, we soul' &!n' cour$"e to urb$n!se. Te Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act !s ere $n' we st!ll $%ec$llen"es o& l$n'use l$nn!n" $n' te l$n' ol!cy w!c !s com!n". O& course, muc $s we $%ese$r$te' te l$n' m$tters &rom te l$nn!n" &unct!on, I t!n* $s le$'ers we soul' &!n' some cour$"e tocon&ront our l$n' c$llen"es $n' oss!bly "o &or some ser!ous re&orms, bec$use I st!ll see $ %ery b!"roblem !& we 'o not t$*e te re&orms on te l$n' m$tters e$' on.

I& you %!s!te' were te st$te $s more s$y on l$n', you woul' e%en see !t by te le%el o& l$nn!n" $n'or"$n!s$t!on. -ut &or us w!t mult!le l$n' tenure, $n' r$'!c$l t!tles belon"!n" to somebo'y, I c$n see wem$y not "et $ %ery be$ut!&ul c!ty !n te ne5t ye$rs. I& not %ery &$r &rom now, some const!tut!on$l$men'ment c$n be 'one bec$use !t !s $ re$l!ty t$t Mu*ono w!ll become $ c!ty $n' 9ust $s #$*!so.Tere&ore, we soul' not w$!t &or !t to become $ b!" slum l!*e )$m$l$ be&ore we c$n $"$!n t$*e tes$me reme'y. I t!n* we c$n be more ro8$ct!%e $n' $''ress te ne!"bouroo' now.

-ut e%en w!t our m$ny '!str!cts t$t $re com!n" u !& you see ow sm$ll te tr$'!n" centres $re 8 $n't$t !s wy I $m s$y!n" we must &!n' money to oer$t!on$l!se te Pys!c$l Pl$nn!n" Act so t$t e%entose sm$ll $re$s $re l$nne'. It !s $ c$llen"e te country must &$ce $n' I t!n* !t !s !mort$nt t$t we 'onot &e$r to "o !nto tose contro%ers!es bec$use wen we &e$r te contro%ers!es, we $re reser%!n" te

'!lemm$s.

#e must m$*e $ co!ce weter to reser%e te '!lemm$s or m$*e some r$'!c$l c$n"es to 'e$l w!t tecontro%ers!es so t$t we mo%e on $s $ country. I t!n* t!s -!ll !& $sse' !nto $n Act soul' only be $lesson &or te oter ucom!n" mun!c!$l!t!es $n' &or te oter $re$s o& U"$n'$ w!c ser!ously nee' to bel$nne'.

Te )$m$l$ we $re t$l*!n" $bout 8 te structur$l l$n, I $m !n&orme', e5!re' 8 !& I c$n use t$t wor' &orl$c* o& $ better wor' 8 @2 ye$rs $"o. So, we nee' $ structur$l l$n &or te c!ty un'er t!s -!ll.

So, !t $"$!n co%ers te $re$ o& m$*!n" sure t$t we $%e $ c!ty. Towns "row !nto mun!c!$l!t!es+mun!c!$l!t!es !nto c!t!es $n' $t t!mes we soul' not l$bour %ery muc to 'eny te wor' conurb$t!on

bec$use !t !s 9ust $ re$l!ty we c$nnot run $w$y &rom.

About te owers o& te m!n!ster %!s8K8%!s te one o& te electe' m$yor or $o!nte' e5ecut!%e '!rector, It!n* !& we se$r$te' te roles, &unct!on$l!ty o& e5ert!se, tecnocr$t!c &rom te ol!t!c$l role, we soul'not $%e $ %ery b!" roblem $n' I t!n* I c$n see te comm!ttee $s $ttemte' to $''ress t$t.

#!t t$t, I w$nt to en' by s$y!n" t$t t!s !s $ lon", o%er'ue b!8$rt!s$n m$tter. It !s $ m$tter &or tecommon "oo' $n' I e5ect $ll Members to suort !t. I t$n* te comm!ttee $n' re=uest t$t we suortt!s lon" o%er'ue -!ll to come !nto $n Act. I t$n* you %ery muc.

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.6-R "HRIS BAR5OMUNSI %NRM, K))6) "ouy Eas, Kau*u+:I t$n* you. I t$n* te m!n!ster$n' te c$!rerson o& te comm!ttee &or te reort t$t $s 9ust been t$ble'.

Most o& us wo l!%e !n )$m$l$ $n' wo st$y !n )$m$l$ most o& te t!me $"ree to te nee' &or $ new

$rr$n"ement on ow te c!ty soul' be m$n$"e', $n' !n'ee', !t !s $ const!tut!on$l comm$n' t$t t!s$rr$n"ement soul' be ut !n l$ce. You c$n e%en note t$t e%en wen $ttemts were m$'e to be$ut!&y)$m$l$ 'ur!n" CHO1M, !t coul' not be m$'e be$ut!&ul me$n!n" t$t te roblems $re &un'$ment$l,$rt!cul$rly w!t re"$r' to te m$n$"ement o& te c!ty.

Tere&ore, I st$n' to suort te mot!on $n' to $"ree t$t we soul' $ss t!s -!ll so t$t we ro%!'e &or $new w$y o& m$n$"!n" )$m$l$.

-ut tere !s $n element o& st$me'!n" us l!*e someone $' e$rl!er on s$!', bec$use some o& te&un'$ment$l roos$ls !n te -!ll, w!c $' e%en $rouse' $ lot o& '!scuss!on, I t!n* $re te $re$s w!cte m!n!ster !s now conce'!n" to $n' br!n"!n" !n new c$n"es.

-ut wen you re$' te reort &rom te c$!rm$n o& te comm!ttee $s somebo'y note', I t!n* tec$!rm$n $n' members o& te comm!ttee $re $lso e$r!n" te $men'ments &rom te m!n!ster 9ust on teFloor. How I w!se' te m!n!ster $' l!$!se' w!t te comm!ttee so t$t tey c$me w!t $ commonos!t!on to $ss!st us.

Mr Se$*er, $"e &!%e o& te reort re$'s, Te -!ll ro%!'es &or te /or' M$yor $n' euty /or' M$yorto be electe' &rom te Elector$l Colle"e o& Counc!ls $n' te comm!ttee obser%e' t$t t!s w!ll $''ress teroblem )$m$l$ $s $', were te m$yor wo $s been un!%ers$lly electe' $s ten'e' to beuntouc$ble.G

In te w!s'om o& te comm!ttee, !& te m$yor !s electe' by te Elector$l Colle"e, t$t woul' be me'!c!ne&or )$m$l$. -ut te m!n!ster !s now $b$n'on!n" t$t os!t!on $n' e !s now s$y!n" t$t te m$yor $s to

be electe' trou" un!%ers$l su&&r$"e. How I w!s you $' $rmon!se' w!t te comm!ttee be&ore com!n"to us. Te subm!ss!on by te m!n!ster !n $ w$y $&&ecte' some o& te ro%!s!ons w!c $re !n t!s -!ll, $n'!& te m!n!ster 'oes not $rmon!se w!t te comm!ttee to el us e5e'!te te rocess ten you $re l!*elyto bo" us 'own.

#en you loo* $t some ro%!s!ons on ow te m$yor c$n be remo%e' e$rl!er on, !t w$s en%!s$"e' t$tte m$yor woul' be cosen trou" elect!on by te counc!llors. So, "!%en te re$l os!t!on, some o& tero%!s!ons !n te -!ll $%e to c$n"e. I *now we $re t!me b$rre' w!t re"$r' to te nom!n$t!ons, but Iw!s tere w$s t!me &or te comm!ttee to s!t w!t te m!n!ster $n' $rmon!se te!r os!t!ons $n' $men'te rele%$nt ro%!s!ons !n t!s -!ll so t$t House !s $ble to mo%e &$ster.

Te oter comment I woul' l!*e to m$*e !s on te obser%$t!on by te comm!ttee t$t once t!s -!ll !s

$sse', !n te!r !nterret$t!on, )$m$l$ w!ll not be reresente' by $ #om$n Member o& P$rl!$ment. My%!ew !s t$t !& t!s P$rl!$ment m$!nt$!ns t$t women Members o& P$rl!$ment rem$!n w!t!n our ol!t!c$l$n' le"$l &r$mewor*, ten )$m$l$ C!ty soul' $lso be reresente' by $ wom$n. I& !t re=u!res $men'!n"te Const!tut!on or $ny oter e5!st!n" l$ws, I t!n* !t soul' be 'one. T!s c!ty $s $ oul$t!on o& close totree m!ll!on eole $n' we c$nnot le$%e !t unreresente' wen oter '!str!cts $re be!n" reresente',s!mly bec$use !t !s c$lle' $ c!ty. I t!n* !t woul' be un&$!r to te oul$t!on w!t!n )$m$l$. So, I t!n*te necess$ry l$ws soul' be $men'e' to ro%!'e &or t$t reresent$t!on by $ wom$n Member o&P$rl!$ment*()nterruption

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MR AHABE:T$n* you, Mr Se$*er $n' on. -$ryomuns! &or "!%!n" w$y. Cl$use B o& te -!ll, on$"e :B, reser%es tose elector$l $re$s $n' te o&&!ces o& tose Members o& P$rl!$ment. /et me re$' !t++or the a#oidan!e o$ dou"t, this '!t shall not "e taken to a$$e!t an- ena!tment relatin& to presidential

and parliamentar- ele!tions and the demar!ation o$ !onstituen!ies "- the Ele!toral Commission.

My un'erst$n'!n" o& t!s ro%!s!on !s t$t !t !s try!n" to reser%e te current st$tus o& const!tuenc!es.

MR NAN-A!A7MAABI:Te Const!tut!on s$ys, E%ery '!str!ct s$ll be reresente' by $ wom$nmember o& P$rl!$mentG !t 'oes not s$y e%ery c!tyG. So, on. M!n!ster, coul' you el us to see were !t !ss$!' t$t e%ery c!ty s$ll be reresente' by $ wom$n Member o& P$rl!$ment>

MR N-E8I:T$n* you on. Member &or "!%!n" w$y. I t!n* we nee' to m$*e !t cle$r t$t not!n" !nt!s Const!tut!on stos te women o& )$m$l$ &rom be!n" reresente' !n t!s P$rl!$ment. I be" to re$'Art!cle D< to "u!'e t!s $u"ust House. D It !ml!es t$t !& t!s P$rl!$ment $s te w!ll $n' comm!tment to $%e te women o&

)$m$l$ reresente' !n t!s P$rl!$ment, t!s ro%!s!on suorts you.

THE SPEAKER:I t!n* te roblem $n' !t c$n be tre$te' tomorrow or te oter '$y, !s t$t Art!cle D Te "reens $re now be!n" turne' !nto "r$%es. You see,re$lly, te wole t!n" !s $ tr$"e'y $n' I t!n* t!s -!ll m!"t see* to $''ress t!s roblem $n' erson$lly,to"eter w!t my colle$"ues, esec!$lly on. Er!$s /u*w$"o wo s!ts w!t me on te s$me comm!ttee, we*now tese roblems. Tey *now tese roblems.

So, let us ensure te roblems !n t!s -!ll $re cle$rly 'e&!ne'. For e5$mle, I e$r' te roblem o& te

&unct!ons o& te m$yor. Once you s$y t$t e !s $ ol!t!c$l e$' t$t me$ns e suer!nten's $n' suer%!seste c!ty $s $ ol!t!c$l e$' $n' !t !s ro%!'e' &or !n te -!ll. So, t$t soul' not be $ roblem !n my %!ew.T$t soul' not be $ roblem.

So, Mr Se$*er, I 'o not w$nt to l$bour %ery muc bec$use e%erybo'y bel!e%es t$t we nee' to 'osomet!n" $bout )$m$l$ $n' $bout $ll our urb$n centres. So, I suort t!s -!ll, Mr Se$*er.

:.3@MR BEN A"HA %Ide3ede, Oyam "ouy Nor/, Oyam+: I t$n* you, Mr Se$*er. It !sob%!ous t$t )$m$l$ !s !n $ %ery sorry st$te. It !s $lmost $ s$me to try $n' e=u$te !t w!t oter c!t!es l!*eN$!rob! $n' $r8es8S$l$$m. I $%e not been to )!"$l!, but I e$r )!"$l! !s !n $ cl$ss o& !ts own.

-ut I $m !n $ '!lemm$. I $m !n $ b!" '!lemm$ bec$use I 'o not *now ow to suort t!s -!ll. I t!n* teroblems o& )$m$l$ c$nnot be cure' by $noter en$ctment o& $ l$w. I $m not one o& tose eole wot!n* t$t e%ery roblem c$n only be cure' by le"!sl$t!on. Te roblem o& )$m$l$ c$n be cure' bec$usete roblem !s !mlement$t!on $n' te !mlementers.

/et me "!%e you $n e5$mle. I l$y "ol& $n' some o& my colle$"ues $lso 'o te s$me+ on. 7on-y$b$"$mb!, on. 7!m Muwe! $n' on. Om$c. Once !n $ w!le !n "ol&, you $%e to "o b$c* &ortr$!n!n". I $' $ colle$"ue ere w!t wom I went to te tr$!ner one '$y 8 un&ortun$tely e $sse' on+ ew$s $ m!n!ster. So, s!nce e w$s sen!or, I $s*e' !m to st$te !s roblem &!rst. He s$!' e $' $ roblemw!t $ "ol& sw!n" $n' so te tr$!ner s$!', You sw!n" $n' I see.G My &r!en' '!' !t tree t!mes $n' tetr$!ner s$!', Sorry, I c$nnot el you. Your roblem !s structur$l.G My colle$"ue $' $ b!" tummy $n' $b!" b$c* 8;%au&hter0 so, e coul' not sw!n". ;%au&hter0;)nterruption0

MR KATUNTU:T$n* you %ery muc, on. #$c$, &or y!el'!n" te Floor. I $m see*!n" cl$r!&!c$t!on. I&w$t you $re s$y!n" !s correct, ow come you s$y you l$y "ol& w!t te on. -y$b$"$mb!> ;%au&hter0

MR A"HA:I 'o not *now weter on. -y$b$"$mb! $s "one to te tr$!ner $n' 8;%au&hter0 so, Ic$nnot s$y w$t te tr$!ner tol' !m. #$t I $m s$y!n" !s t$t )$m$l$(s roblem !s structur$l 8 ;Mr5-a"a&am"i rose60 ;%au&hter0

MR B5ABA#AMBI:I t$n* on. #$c$ &or "!%!n" w$y. Te !n&orm$t!on I woul' l!*e to "!%e you !st$t $s you *now, I $m te best sw!n"er. My $n'!c$ !s @3 $n' I $m $mon" te best "ol&ers !n t!scountry. ;%au&hter0

MR A"HA:Yes, but I e$r e%en T!"er #oo's $s to "o b$c* &or tr$!n!n" once !n w!le. #$t I $ms$y!n" !s t$t te roblem !s b!""er t$n 9ust en$ctment o& $ l$w. It !s muc b!""er $n' te roblem !scomoun'e' by te &$ct t$t te m!n!ster s$ys e !s not "o!n" to 'o $nyt!n" $bout te boun'$r!es o&)$m$l$ $n' so te "eo"r$!c$l $re$ o& )$m$l$ rem$!ns te s$me. So, t$t $sect o& te -!ll !s t$*enc$re o& e%en $s we st$n' now.

Ten tere !s te !ssue w!c e 9ust brou"t u t$t te /or' M$yor $n' te euty /or' M$yor w!ll beelect!%e. T$t !s w$t !s $en!n" now. Ten you run !nto te roblem o& w$t roles tey $re "o!n" to

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l$y un'er te new re"!me. Once tey $re electe' ten tere !s "o!n" to be $noter Seb$""$l$ $n' youw!ll $%e te s$me roblem e $s been $%!n" w!t te town cler*.MR !UKA#O:Te cl$r!&!c$t!on I $m see*!n" !s $bout your subm!ss!on re"$r'!n" te cl$s betweente m$yor $n' te town cler*. I w!s to *now weter !t !s $ structur$l or erson$l roblem. I& !t !serson$l, ten !t $s "ot not!n" to 'o w!t t!s -!ll.

MR A"HA:Te !ssue I $m try!n" to r$!se !s te cl$s o& $utor!ty. Te ol!t!c$l e$' w!ll st!c* to te&$ct t$t eLse $s been electe' $n' ten te town cler* w!ll s$y eLse !s te $'m!n!str$t!%e e$'. How'o you 'e&!ne te $'m!n!str$t!%e e$' $n' te ol!t!c$l e$'>

On te !ssue o& br!n"!n" !n te l$nn!n" $utor!ty+ )$m$l$ !s !n suc $ mess. Houses $re bu!lt on sewers$n' ro$' reser%es. Unless you tell me t$t t!s $rt!cul$r $utor!ty !s "o!n" to $ct l!*e O'!n"$ O'!n"$ '!'!n N$!rob!, ten we $re st!ll w$st!n" t!me bec$use we $re 9ust rel$c!n" te ous!n" $utor!ty w!t $l$nn!n" $utor!ty w!c $lre$'y e5!sts !n )$m$l$ C!ty Counc!l. It !s not te !ssue o& l$ws w!c !scurt$!l!n" our oer$t!ons+ !t !s te !ssue o& !mlement$t!on $n' l$c* o& !t. #e soul' be sure t$t tere w!llbe no more !nter&erence &rom $bo%e.

#o !nter&ere' w!t te remo%$l o& "oda "odas&rom )$m$l$> oes t!s nee' $noter l$w to re$l!se t$tte motorcycl!sts $re con"est!n" te c!ty centre> #e $%e to ret!n* our nee' &or $ -!ll>

Somebo'y t$l*e' $bout l$n'+ yes, we nee' l$n', but wo s$ys t$t 1o%ernment c$nnot buy l$n' &rom teowners> I &!n' $ lot o& '!&&!culty !n suort!n" t!s -!ll.

:.@3MR HUSSEIN K5AN.O %.EEMA, Ma)dye -)v)s)o es, Kam3a&a+: I t$n* te m!n!ster $n' tecomm!ttee &or te reort.

My worry !s te &$!t o& $ct!on w!c we $re un'ert$*!n". On te &$ce o& !t, !t loo*s l!*e te l$w !s!nnocent, but te see' w!t w!c we $re rus!n" m$*es !t susect. It loo*s l!*e we $re try!n" to be$t te

'e$'l!ne &or nom!n$t!ons. #e $ll *now t$t tere oter $utor!t!es !n t!s country w!c $re noter&orm!n" won'er&ully. #e $%e "ot te N$t!on$l Pl$nn!n" Autor!ty 8

THE SPEAKER:Te t!tle o& te -!ll s$ys t$t boun'$r!es o& U"$n'$ $re 'em$rc$te' !n te Secon'Sce'ule. It cont!nues to s$y t$t )$m$l$, loc$te' !n -u"$n'$, s$ll cont!nue to be te c$!t$l c!ty o&U"$n'$ $n' s$ll be $'m!n!stere' by te Centr$l 1o%ernment. Te terr!tor!$l boun'$ry o& )$m$l$ s$llbe 'em$rc$te' w!t $n Act o& P$rl!$ment.

P$rl!$ment s$ll m$*e ro%!s!ons &or $'m!n!str$t!on $n' 'e%eloment o& )$m$l$ $s te c$!t$l c!ty. #e'el$ye' $ctu$lly+ we soul' $%e 'one t!s e$rl!er. Te =uest!on o& 9ust!&!c$t!on 'oes not $r!se.

MR K5AN.O:T$n* you, &or te "u!'$nce, but !t s!mly coml!c$tes te m$tter. #e $ll *new t$t t!s

w$s !n te Const!tut!on, but we '!' not $n'le !t !n t!me. So, wor*!n" on !t 9ust two '$ys to tenom!n$t!ons !s susect.

THE SPEAKER:T!s !s )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334+ so te 'el$y must $%e been w!t us. It $sbeen w!t us &or o%er $ ye$r now.

MR K5AN.O:Te eole I reresent ten' to t!n* l!*e I 'o. Tere&ore, wen you tell tem t$t te -!ll$s been ere &or m$ny monts tus m$*!n" !t necess$ry to be $n'le' two '$ys to nom!n$t!ons, tey w!llnot un'erst$n'.

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I w$nt to loo* $t te er&orm$nce o& oter $utor!t!es, &or e5$mle, te N$t!on$l Pl$nn!n" Autor!ty. It$s seen l$nn!n" turne' us!'e 'own w!tout t$*!n" $ny $ct!on. #e $%e "ot NEMA w!c $s &$!le' towor* w!t us to br!n" some s$n!ty !n te c!ty. T!s !s not $bsence o& $utor!ty but l$c* o& &$!t. #e $%e"ot te N$t!on$l ru" Autor!ty but no one c$n s$y t$t &$*e 'ru"s $re not enter!n" te country.

#e remember t$t tose t$t were c$m$!"n!n" rom!se' $ tr$'e or'er. Some o& tem $' m$'e $ttemtsto *ee $w$y te buses. Te e$' o& st$te stoo' u $n' s$!' t$t e coul' not $llow !s eole &rom te%!ll$"es to be 'roe' o&& $t N$tete. Te tr$'e or'er !n )$m$l$ !s suc t$t you $%e $ so $n' $yl!cense, but you $%e "ot $ "rou o& eole sell!n" tom$toes on your %er$n'$, $n' "oda "odas$n' t$5!s !n&ront o& you. #e $re t$l*!n" $bout br!n"!n" $ l$w $s !& !t w!ll c$se $w$y te roblems. I& tere !s $nuer $n' t$t c$n o%errule te c!ty $utor!t!es ten we $re w$st!n" t!me.

It !s "r$t!&y!n" to *now t$t te !ssue o& boun'$r!es w$s loo*e' !nto bec$use !t w$s "o!n" to c$use $ lot o&contro%ersy w!t!n te Const!tut!on. #e $re loo*!n" $t $ sort reme'y o& ret$!n!n" te ol' boun'$r!es.P$rt o& te roblem wy )$m$l$ !s $ men$ce !s bec$use !n'!%!'u$ls t!n* t$t tey must be on )$m$l$Ro$'. I& tey re$l!se roerly sortly $&ter to'$y, tey w!ll *now t$t !t !s necess$ry to "o $n' ut umo'ern structures, well l$nne', $w$y &rom te boun'$r!es o& )$m$l$. Now, w!ll you le$%e t!s to loc$l

"o%ernments> Or s$ll we come b$c* $n' $men' te l$w to !nclu'e tem> I& te m!n!ster w$s c$$ble o&e5l$!n!n" t!s m$tter to us $n' we $''ress t!s w!t te e5$ns!on element, ten we woul' be $ble to "ob$c* $n' e5l$!n to te eole wom I s$!' m$y $%e '!&&!culty !n un'erst$n'!n" te &$!t o& $ct!on t!se%en!n". T$n* you.

:.@DMR SAMUE! O-ON#A OTTO %-", Aruu "ouy, Pader+:T$n* you, Mr Se$*er, &or "!%!n" met!s oortun!ty. I w$nt to t$n* te comm!ttee &or "!%!n" $ %ery comreens!%e reort. I $%e treesubm!ss!ons to m$*e.

I t!n* te "o%ernment soul' not bow to ol!t!c$l ressure &rom $ny ol!t!c$l "rou w!t!n te c!ty. Iwoul', erson$lly, be com&ort$ble w!t $n $o!nte' m$yor so t$t we sol%e t!s roblem once $n' &or

$ll. -ec$use te moment we $%e $n electe' m$yor wo nee's %otes &rom or'!n$ry "oda "odar!'ers $n'tr$'ers !n )!se**$, tere !s boun' to be $ con&l!ct between te m$yor $n' te E5ecut!%e !rector. #es$ll $%e $ oul!st le$'er wo w!ll s$y, o not touc my "oda "odar!'ersG $n' ten you $%e $nE5ecut!%e !rector wo $s or'ere' t$t we cl$m 'own on "oda "odar!'ers. So, we $re not sol%!n" $nyroblem.

I w$nt to $e$l to te m!n!ster to "et b$c* to te or!"!n$l os!t!on+ t$t we $%e $n $o!nte' m$yor. Fore5$mle, loo* $t te U"$n'$ N$t!on$l Ro$'s Autor!ty+ !t !s 'o!n" $ torou" 9ob, to"eter w!t U"$n'$Re%enue Autor!ty. So, wy $re we now "!%!n" $ :38:3 solut!on to te roblem o& )$m$l$>

T!s c!ty !s &or $ll o& us $n' no one soul' loo* $t !t w!t $n eye t$t sees !t $s, T!s !s our %!ll$"eG, noT!s !s $ c!ty. An' $nyw$y, !t $s been "$ette'. So, I re$lly $e$l to te m!n!ster to "et b$c* to te

or!"!n$l os!t!on. In &$ct, !n N$!rob! were I w$s recently, tey c$n"e' &rom $n elector$l colle"e m$yorto one electe' trou" un!%ers$l $'ult su&&r$"e. Howe%er, tey $re now $%!n" roblems. Or!"!n$lly, tey"$ette' smo*!n" $re$s+ smo*!n" 'ens were eole "o to smo*e $s $ m$tter o& l$w. -ut now w!t $nelecte' m$yor, you w!ll &!n' two or tree eole $roun' 9ust bec$use e !s close to te m$yor or e w$s $c$m$!"ner. So, we $%e to sw$llow te b!tter !ll $n' I $e$l to Members t$t we e%en !"nore teos!t!on were 1o%ernment $s ulle' out $n' we 9ust $%e $ m$yor wo c$n w!el' ower $n' $utor!ty,not one wo w!ll sen' $ lot o& t!me ol!t!c*!n". ;%au&hter0 I $m sorry+ I l!%e !n te suburbs o& )$m$l$,$n' I $m &e' u.

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MR OKOT O#ON#:I woul' l!*e to t$n* my broter, on. O'on"$8Otto. I $m !n&orme' t$t e !s now$ l$wyer $n' $s te ent!re Const!tut!on on !s one. I w$nt !m to re&er to Art!cle @ o& our Const!tut!on,w!c s$ys t$t ower belon"s to te eole. I w$nt to !n&orm you t$t te m$yor !s $ ol!t!c$l o&&!ce $n'$ny ol!t!c$l o&&!ce must be electe' by te eole so t$t you resect te eole(s w!ll. An' !& you w$nt tobe $ '!ct$tor, you c$n r$ct!se !t elsewere but not !n U"$n'$. ;%au&hter0

MR O-ON#A OTTO:T$n* you %ery muc, on. O*ot O"on", &or t$t !n&orm$t!on. I t!n* we $%e to'r$w $ l!ne between were we soul' ol!t!c* $n' were we nee' $ l$nne' c!ty. I l!%e @ *!lometres&rom were we $re, but !t t$*es me tree ours e%ery morn!n" to re$c te c!ty. #e c$nnot cont!nue l!*et!s. To tr$%el @ *!lometres !n tree ours I woul' re$lly &eel 8 on. O*ot O"on", muc $s owerbelon"s to te eole, we $re te eole. ;%au&hter0

MR !UKA#O:Mr Se$*er, we $ll $rec!$te te &ull !mort o& 'emocr$cy $n' w$t !t ent$!ls $n' teconse=uences o& curt$!l!n" 'emocr$cy $re well *nown to $ll o& us wo $re ere. Hon. Otto !s t$l*!n" o&te $tet!c s!tu$t!on !n te c!ty $n' e !s !ns!nu$t!n" t$t !t !s c$use' by too muc 'emocr$cy. ;%au&hter0T$t by $llow!n" eole to %ote, !t !s te re$son we $%e otoles, "$rb$"e $n' e%eryt!n" l!*e t$t !n tec!ty. Is e !n or'er to con'emn 'emocr$cy !n P$rl!$ment> ;%au&hter0

THE SPEAKER:I t!n* w$t you $re s$y!n" !s t$t on. Otto soul' be sym$tet!c to your l$n tost$n' $s te m$yor o& )$m$l$. ;%au&hter0

MR O-ON#A OTTO:T$n* you, Mr Se$*er, &or your rul!n". I $rec!$te te sent!ments o& eolel!*e my colle$"ue, on. /u*w$"o $n' te elector$te wo w$nt to $%e $ &eel!n" t$t tey $%e electe'te!r m$yor wo $s not been $o!nte' by someone else. -ut w$t we coul' 'o $s $ comrom!se !s t!s?#e coul' $%e $n electe' m$yor, but we $%e !m s!t !n t!s P$rl!$ment, $%!n" no bus!ness !nter&er!n"w!t te l$nn!n" o& $utor!ty. ;%au&hter0 Yes, !& you w$nt to elect $ le$'er, we c$n elect one. Now t$tte $men'ment !s com!n" !n te ne5t two '$ys, I m$y mo%e t$t te m$yor becomes $n e58o&&!c!oMember o& P$rl!$ment so t$t we le$%e te l$nn!n" 'ut!es to tose wo 'o not nee' $nyone(s %otes.Oterw!se, we $re not "o!n" to *ee "o!n" roun' $n' roun' on tese !ssues.

MR K5AN.O:Te cl$r!&!c$t!on I w$nt to see* &rom on. Otto !s t$t NEMA !s not electe'+ !t !s$o!nte'. -ut e *nows =u!te well t$t wen e !s "o!n" ome, e c$n see te mess t$t NEMA $s$llowe' to $en $ll te w$y. Now w$t $re we "o!n" to 'o>

MR O-ON#A OTTO:T$t !s $ '!&&!cult =uest!on $n' I woul' not w$nt to $ttemt to $nswer !t bec$useI 'o not wor* !n NEMA, but 8 ;%au&hter0

MS ERI5O:Mr Se$*er, I woul' l!*e to t$n* on. Otto &or y!el'!n" te Floor, but I woul' l!*e to s$yt$t NEMA !s &$c!n" $ lot o& c$llen"es not bec$use !t !s not $ tecn!c$l "rou $n' not bec$use !t !s notelecte' or $o!nte', but !t !s bec$use o& te l$n' bo$r' !n te c!ty counc!l yes, te l$n' bo$r' !n Men"o$n' ol!t!c!$ns wo $re electe', $re c$us!n" roblems &or NEMA. (Mr K-ano rose6T!s !s $ &$ct $n' Ist$n' by !t. T$n* you.

MR K5AN.O:Mr Se$*er, I w$nt to c$llen"e my colle$"ue te m!n!ster. Se remembers te m$nyt!mes I $%e !n%!te' er to come $n' we wor* to"eter to 'em$rc$te te $re$ between te m$!nl$n' $n'te wetl$n's. Se cons!stently &$!le'. Te eole o& NEMA c$me, we wor*e' w!t tem $n' w$trem$!ne' w$s te $rm o& te m!n!ster $n' tey were un$ble to rocee' bec$use te m!n!ster w$s runn!n"$w$y $n' yet se !s electe'. So, te roblem "oes b$c* to tose eole wo $re not c$$ble o& utt!n" ustr!n"ent me$sures.

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Mr Se$*er, r!"t &rom )!buye $ll te w$y to S$l$$m$ $n' ten you c$tc te oter stretc trou" tem$!n ro$' to Munyonyo trou" N$but!t! u to close to te Amer!c$n Emb$ssy $n' ten close to te oterro$' between )!bul! $n' te Amer!c$n Emb$ssy, $ll tese $re$s $%e been e$ten !n te &$ce o& tem!n!sters wo $%e "ot te &!n$l s$y on NEMA. So, !s te m!n!ster !n or'er to st$n' u ere $n' s$y, #e$re $ct!n" er&ectly>G Is se !n or'er>

THE SPEAKER:C$n"e te mo'e o& commun!c$t!on.

MR O-ON#A OTTO:Mr Se$*er, w!tout '!"ress!n" $ lot, I w$nt to em$s!se t$t $t te comm!tteest$"e I w!ll &orm$lly mo%e t$t we $%e $n $utor!ty+ we 'o not nee' $ ol!t!c!$n to be m$n$"!n")$m$l$.

For te sent!ments o& eole wo come &rom te centr$l re"!on l!*e on. Er!$s /u*w$"o, we s$ll $%e $m$yor be!n" $n e58o&&!c!o Member o& P$rl!$ment. It w!ll st!ll ser%e te urose o& m$*!n" tose eolet!c* to %ote $ m$yor, but we nee' to s$y no to tese t!n"s once $n' &or $ll. ;%au&hter0 For e5$mle,on. )y$n9o $s*e', #$t !s te roblem w!t NEMA>G M$ybe NEMA !s not $ "oo' e5$mle+ let us usete U"$n'$ Pol!ce wen tey $re '!sers!n" r!oters+ $re tey electe' le$'ers> Tey $re not. An' you $%e$lso, 9ust l!*e me, been $ %!ct!m o& te!r brut$l!ty. So, we nee' $ s!tu$t!on were we s$y, #e 'o not nee'

$ny c$os ereG. #e nee' $ s!tu$t!on were we s$y, No re$!r!n" w$tces ;)nterruption0

MR K5AN.O:Te !n&orm$t!on I w$nt to %olunteer to te on. Otto by te w$y, t$n* you &or y!el'!n"te Floor 8 !s t$t te U"$n'$ Pol!ce !s not $ st$tutory $utor!ty.

MR O-ON#A OTTO:Ye$, te only rele%$nt t!n" !s t$t te Pol!ce $re not electe' 1o $n' '!serset$t r$llyG, tere !s not!n" l!*e, My %oter !s te oter s!'e,G muc $s !t !s not $n $utor!ty.

/$stly, Mr Se$*er, I woul' l!*e to $e$l to 1o%ernment 8 I w$s !n M$l$w! some t!me b$c*. Tey $%ew$t tey c$ll C$!tol H!ll were $ll te "o%ernment m!n!str!es $re loc$te'. So, &or e5$mle, we coul'comulsor!ly $c=u!re $ u"e sect!on o& )ololo $n' t$*e $ll te m!n!str!es tere w!t one $ccess "$tew$y.So, !& someone !s "o!n" to wor* !n te M!n!stry o& F!n$nce, tey 'o not c$use tr$&&!c 9$m !n te c!ty. #e

nee' to st$rt t!n*!n" $r'+ te moment we c$n remo%e F!n$nce $n' /$n's &rom ere $n' t$*e tem !none $re$ were you c$n e%en securely rotect tem &rom Al8S$b$b ;%au&hter08 you w!ll $utom$t!c$lly'econ"est te c!ty. So, I $m $e$l!n" to w!ce%er $utor!ty w!ll come tere, to cons!'er comulsory$c=u!s!t!on o& cert$!n $re$s !n )ololo $n' we mo%e $ll 1o%ernment 'e$rtments. It w!ll "o $ lon" w$y !n;)nterruption0

MR !UKA#O:T$n* you, on. O'on"$ Otto. I 9ust w$nt to "!%e you !n&orm$t!on $bout te structur$l$rr$n"ement o& )$m$l$ ow !t w$s or!"!n$lly 'es!"ne' to be. )$m$l$ w$s or!"!n$lly 'es!"ne' to beurely commerc!$l $n' te $'m!n!str$t!%e c!ty w$s suose' to be Entebbe. So, $ll tese m!n!sters soul'not $%e $' te!r o&&!ces ere !& we were to &ollow t$t l$n. An' surely, tese c$mbers lus te st$telo'"e !n N$*$sero w!c $re $ll c$us!n" te tr$&&!c 9$m, soul' $lso $%e been !n Entebbe. -ut 'o notworry, we $re com!n" !nto o&&!ce. ;%au&hter0

THE SPEAKER:I t!n* we 'o some "en'er b$l$nc!n". H$%e you &!n!se'>

MR O-ON#A OTTO:Mr Se$*er, w!t $ll w$t I $%e s$!', I st!ll t!n* t$t bu!l'!n"s w!c $re be!n"recommen'e' &or construct!on must not be l!cense' w!tout $r*!n" s$ce. -ec$use we c$nnot cont!nueto n$rrow te streets 9ust to $llow some one to collect te re%enue &or c!ty counc!l. So, someone soul'come $n' s$y, From to'$y !& you $re utt!n" u suc $ structure, you must m$*e ro%!s!ons &or $t le$sttree or &our &loors &or $r*!n" un'er"roun'.G So, tese $re some o& te !ssues on w!c we $re "!%!n"&ree $'%!ce to te com!n" $utor!ty. ;%au&hter0 T$n* you %ery muc, Mr Se$*er.

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:.6@MS #RA"E TUBITA %NRM, oma Re3resea)ve, Naaso*o&a+: T$n* you %ery muc, MrSe$*er. I suort te -!ll, w!c I $m "l$' !s recommen'!n" )$m$l$ to be $'m!n!stere' by te Centr$l1o%ernment. I r$y t$t s!nce te Centr$l 1o%ernment w!ll be te one t$*!n" o%er te $'m!n!str$t!on o&)$m$l$, !t w!ll be $ble to "!%e !t enou" &!n$nc!n" bec$use $t t!mes so''y wor* !s 'one bec$use tere

!s oor &$c!l!t$t!on.

)$m$l$ $s been rece!%!n" less t$n te re=u!re' &un's 8 te e=u!%$lent o& w$t te oter '!str!cts $%ebeen rece!%!n" $n' yet we e5ect $ lot &rom !t. -ut I 'o re=uest te m!n!stry, moreso now t$t te$'m!n!str$t!on o& )$m$l$ !s "o!n" to be un'er te Centr$l 1o%ernment, to $rec!$te ys!c$l l$nn!n".Te roblem we $%e !n t!s country !s t$t ys!c$l l$nn!n" $s not been "!%en r!or!ty. T$t !s wymost o& te towns w!c $re musroom!n" $re 'o!n" so $$$r'ly bec$use te comonent o& ys!c$ll$nn!n" !s not be!n" $rec!$te'. ur!n" te recent restructur!n" o& '!str!cts, !t w$s not cons!'ere' $t $ll$n' !t '!' not e%en &e$ture !n te rele$se' "u!'el!nes. T$t me$ns t$t $ '!str!ct m$y or m$y not recru!t $ys!c$l l$nner. -ut $&ter $ss!n" te recent -!ll were te wole country !s $ l$nn!n" $re$, we r$yt$t te m!n!stry resons!ble w!ll !ssue te "u!'el!nes '!rect!n" $ll '!str!cts to $%e ys!c$l l$nners sot$t te towns $re well l$nne'.

Recently, te M!n!stry o& /oc$l 1o%ernment contr$cte' $ &ew '!str!cts to l$n &or tem 8;)ntere!tion08$n' tese l$ns, e%en !& tey $re re$re' $n' you $%e $ll te structur$l l$ns $n' 'et$!le' l$y outs, butw!tout te erson !mlement!n", tey w!ll 9ust rem$!n on te 'es*. So, my r$yer !s, le$se ut !n some!nterest !n ys!c$l l$nn!n" so t$t t!s country c$n 'e%elo !n $n or"$n!se' m$nner.

Mr Se$*er, w!t te $o!ntment o& te E5ecut!%e !rector, !t !s not %ery cle$r !n te -!ll weter te$o!ntment !s on contr$ct or not. I &eel t$t !t woul' be better !& tey $re $o!nte' on contr$ct so t$t !&te!r er&orm$nce !s '!sm$l, tey c$n be remo%e' &rom o&&!ce. -ut wen you loo* $t te w$ys trou"w!c t!s erson c$n be remo%e' &rom o&&!ce, tey $re l!*e ens!on$ble c!%!l ser%$nts. -ut I woul're=uest t$t te E5ecut!%e !rector !s $o!nte' on $ &!%e8ye$r contr$ct $n' $ssesse' to see weter tey$%e er&orme' $n' ten er$s te contr$ct !s renewe' b$s!n" on t$t.

#en you loo* $t te cre$t!on o& te urb$n $utor!ty !n &$ct, t!s !s $lso rel$te' to te !ssue o&&$c!l!t$t!on I r$y t$t t!s $utor!ty w!ll not be 'orm$nt $n' !t w!ll be "!%en $ll te necess$ry suort,bec$use wen you loo* $t te st!ul$te' &unct!ons o& t!s $utor!ty, $ll te $ct!%!t!es !t $s to 'o 8 I *now)$m$l$ now $s to "et $ structur$l l$n bec$use te l$n, w!c tey $%e !s e5!re' $n' $ newmetrool!t$n structur$l l$n o& )$m$l$ must be re$re'. Com!n" u w!t $ structur$l l$n !n )$m$l$me$ns t$t tere $re $ number o& !ssues t$t must be cons!'ere'+ tere must be urb$n renew$l $n' t$tme$ns t$t tere w!ll be $ lot o& 'emol!t!on, $n' w!t te l$n' roblems !n t!s country 8 you *now %erywell t$t l$n' 'oes not belon" to 1o%ernment but to te eole, $n' wen !t comes to 'emol!t!on, terew!ll be $ lot o& comens$t!on. So, I oe t$t 1o%ernment w!ll re$lly ut !n $ lot o& money so t$t t!s$utor!ty 'oes not loo* to be 'orm$nt, bec$use e%en !& tey come u w!t $ structur$l l$n $n' !t !s not!mlemente' bec$use o& some o& tose c$llen"es, )$m$l$ w!ll not c$n"e $utom$t!c$lly.

You remember %ery well $n' te M!n!ster o& #or*s !s $w$re o& w$t too* l$ce wen te l$n o& teconstruct!on o& te Nortern -y$ss c$me u. Tere w$s $ lot o& comens$t!on $n' $ lot o& 'emol!t!onstoo* l$ce, $n' $ lot o& &un's were use' 'ur!n" t$t t!me. So, we r$y t$t t!s w!ll be ut !ntocons!'er$t!on bec$use $t t!s st$"e were we $re, !& we $re to sol%e te roblems !n )$m$l$, tere mustbe urb$n renew$l, w!c w!ll $%e to br!n" !n ()nterruption

MS BINTU: T$n* you %ery muc, Mr Se$*er $n' te onour$ble member &or "!%!n" w$y. Actu$lly,we nee' to ut $s!'e $ lot o& money &or 'emol!t!on $n' comens$t!on. #oul'n(t !t be w!se !& te

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"o%ernment st$rte' t!n*!n" o& 'e%elo!n" $ new c!ty between N$*$son"ol$ $n' M$s!n'!> T$n* you.(%au&hter

MS TUBITA:T$n* you, on. Member. Actu$lly, I w$s com!n" to t$t. -e&ore I "o to $noter o!nt, Iw$nt to s$y t$t te -!ll 'oes not !n'!c$te weter 8 !t !s t$l*!n" o& te c$!rerson o& te $utor!ty $n'&our oter members $n' ten st!ul$t!n" te ro&ess!ons, w!c $re "o!n" to be cons!'ere'. I woul'

re=uest t$t !n t!s $utor!ty tere soul' be "en'er b$l$nce bec$use !n most c$ses, tey $o!nt $n' ten&or"et t$t e%en e'uc$te' women $re tere. So, we r$y t$t tere soul' be cons!'er$t!on o& $ wom$n !nt!s $utor!ty so t$t wen tey $re $o!nt!n", te m!n!ster !s $w$re t$t some o& te ro&ess!on$ls wo$re ys!c$l l$nners, $rc!tects $n' en"!neers $n' $re women, e5!st.

/!*e on. -!ntu s$!', I woul' $lso l!*e to re=uest te "o%ernment to sol%e most o& tese roblems. I t!n*!t woul' be w!se !& we t!n* o& cre$t!n" $ secon' c!ty. #e soul'n(t loo* $t only )$m$l$ bec$use)$m$l$ !s $lre$'y s=ueee' $n' tere !s no room &or e5$ns!on $n' yet tere !s %$c$nt l$n' !nN$*$son"ol$, w!c c$n be occu!e' $n' we c$n "et tecn!c$l eole to re$re roer l$ns to$ccommo'$te tese roblems.

Te !ssue o& on. O'on"$8Otto, w!c e w$s t$l*!n" $bout $n' re&err!n" to /!lon"we !n M$l$w!, woul'

not $r!se bec$use some o& tese 1o%ernment 'e$rtments w!ll be ut !n one $re$ $n' $ erson w!ll be !nos!t!on to sol%e !s roblem !n one '$y, but $ erson wo w$nts to sol%e $ l$n' $n' ys!c$l l$nn!n"roblem $n' $ #or*s roblem, w!ll mo%e &rom one l$ce to $noter $n' t!s !s t!me w$st!n". -ut !& $ll te"o%ernment 'e$rtments $re to"eter, you "o to M!n!stry o& /$n's $n' "et out &rom tere. I& te t!n"re=u!res you to be !n #or*s, you w!ll "o !mme'!$tely to te #or*s o&&!ce. I& !t re=u!res you to be !nE'uc$t!on you $re tere, but w!t t!s structure, w!c !s !n t!s country were some o&&!ces $re !nEntebbe, some !n )$m$l$, $n' sc$ttere' $ll o%er te country, re$lly $&&ects te loc$l erson wo comes$roun' to sol%e !s roblem.

On te !ssue o& te m$yor, I woul' l!*e to concur w!t on. O'on"$8Otto. I $m tell!n" you t$t some o&tese roblems we &$ce !n te urb$n centres 'e%eloe' bec$use o& te t!tles we $re ol'!n". You &!n' t$tI $m &e$r!n" to 'o somet!n" bec$use I &e$r ubl!c o!n!on $n' yet !& I $%e te owers 8 $t le$st !& we

w$nt te m$yor to be electe', let us cre$te $n elector$l colle"e, $ sm$ll one w!c !s m$'e u o& eolewo w!ll $rec!$te te wor* o& $ m$yor $n' te wor* o& l$nn!n", oter t$n $ny erson wo w!ll note%en un'erst$n' w$t ys!c$l l$nn!n" or urb$n 'e%eloment !s $ll $bout.

So, I r$y t$t $t le$st te m!n!stry t!n*s o& cre$t!n" $ sm$ll colle"e to $n'le t!s m$tter. I t$n* you, MrSe$*er.

THE SPEAKER:Hon. Members, 'on(t you t!n* t$t $s &$r $s te "ener$l 'eb$te !s concerne', we $%e'one our best so t$t you c$n "o $n' t!n* $bout m$*!n" te l$w $n' te *!n' o& $men'ment you m$ybr!n" to !mro%e te -!ll> on(t you t!n* we soul' ronounce oursel%es on te Mot!on &or secon're$'!n" so t$t 8 I t!n* we m!"t not be $ble to 'o !t to'$y, but tomorrow we c$n 'e$l w!t te comm!tteest$"e were you c$n $n'le t!s cl$use by cl$use. O*$y, !s !t $"ree'>

So, on. Members, te Mot!on !s t$t te -!ll ent!tle', Te )$m$l$ C$!t$l C!ty -!ll, 2334G be re$' tesecon' t!me.

(7uestion put and a&reed to.

(Motion !arried

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THE SPEAKER:As I $%e s$!', I t!n* w$t you nee' !s to "o $n' scrut!n!se tese cl$uses $n' seewere you t!n* you soul' $men' or !mro%e so t$t we 'o te comm!ttee st$"e tomorrow. Is t$t o*$y>O*$y.

Now, soul'n(t we ut!l!se t!s t!me to 'e$l w!t te secon' 8 bec$use tomorrow I $lso w$nt to cont!nuew!t te 'eb$te on te CHO1M reort. C$n we '!sose o& t!s lo$n m$tter &or m$tern$l e$lt 'ur!n" t!s

t!me> Isn(t t$t o*$y> Is te m!n!ster ere>

MR N-UHUURA:Mr Se$*er, I $m not te $ct!n" M!n!ster o& F!n$nce, but e w$s se$te' 9ust ne5t tome $n' stee' out+ so, I e5ect !m !n te House.

THE SPEAKER:C$n we st$rt e$r!n" te reort>

MOTION FOR A RESO/UTION OF PAR/IAMENT TO AUTHORISE 1OERNMENT TO-ORRO# SPECIA/ RA#IN1 RI1HTS

:.DTHE MINISTER O STATE OR INAN"E, P!ANNIN# AN- E"ONOMI" -E$E!OPMENT

%IN$ESTMENT+ %Mr Aso Kaara+:T$n* you so muc, Mr Se$*er. I w$nt &!rst o& $ll to t$n* teSe$*er $n' te onour$ble Members o& P$rl!$ment &or $%!n" ()nterruption

MR A"HA:Mr Se$*er, te $"en'$ !tem s$ys +Motion $or a resolution o$ Parliament/.C$n I betol' weter !t $s been mo%e'> I see te m!n!ster 9ust s!tt!n" tere, 'o!n" not!n".

MR KA.ARA: Mr Se$*er, I w!s to mo%e $ mot!on &or $ resolut!on o& P$rl!$ment $utor!s!n"

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1o%ernment o& U"$n'$ $n' !t !s suose' to &!n$nce te e$lt systems stren"ten!n" ro9ect, w!cro9ect w!ll be !mlemente' by te M!n!stry o& He$lt.

Mr Se$*er, Members w!ll note t$t !n U"$n'$, ser%!ce 'el!%ery $s 'eter!or$te' 'ue to $mon" otert!n"s roblems rel$te' to e$lt systems, n$mely, um$n resources, me'!c!nes, e$lt sul!es, lo"!st!cs,e$lt !n&r$structure, le$'ers! $n' te m$n$"ement c$llen"es. T!s lo$n !s suose', $mon" oter

t!n"s, to $''ress tose c$llen"es $n' &or te l$st tree ye$rs, te "o%ernment e5en'!ture on e$lt $s $ercent$"e o& te tot$l bu'"et $s been &$!rly cons!stent, r$n"!n" &rom D.: ercent !n 233@ to n!ne ercent!n 233D, $n' @@.B ercent !n 233


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ser%!ces to t$*e US 63 m!ll!on. Te secon' comonent on $"e @2 !s $bout te !mro%e' e$ltwor*&orce, 'e%eloment $n' m$n$"ement $t US : m!ll!on. Te b!""est comonent, w!c !s $lso rel$te'to m$tern$l e$lt $n' newborn e$lt, !s te !mro%e' !n&r$structure o& te e5!st!n" e$lt &$c!l!t!es. Tel$st one !s $bout te !mro%e' le$'ers! m$n$"ement $n' $ccount$b!l!ty &or e$lt ser%!ce 'el!%ery $tUS @3 m!l!on. So, cle$rly, you c$n see t$t te b!""er $mount o& US @@: m!ll!on !s &or !n&r$structure$n' m$tern$l e$lt.

Mr Se$*er $n' onour$ble colle$"ues, we !n=u!re' $bout te e$rl!er ro9ect, w!c t!s P$rl!$ment$ro%e'. #e $%e $%$!le' co!es o& t!s boo*let to $ll Members o& P$rl!$ment. I& you '!' not !c* one&rom te t$ble outs!'e, I woul' re=uest t$t you "et $ coy now. I $lso woul' l!*e to l$y $ coy on teT$ble bec$use we $"ree' w!t te Comm!ttee on Soc!$l Ser%!ces to !ntern$l!se t!s reort !n 'et$!lto"eter. You c$n $lso see ow te e$rl!er m$tern$l e$lt lo$n w$s $n'le'.

I woul' $lso l!*e to l$y on te T$ble te ro9ect $r$!s$l 'ocument w!t $n !mlement$t!on l$n &or tes$me. A"$!n, $ &ew co!es $re $%$!l$ble.

F!n$lly, we $%e &!el' reorts $n' m!nutes to l$y on te T$ble. Te &!el' reorts were "ener$te' $&ter our9o!nt %!s!ts o& te &$c!l!t!es !n te '!&&erent re"!ons !nclu'!n" A$c, M$s!n'! $n' Moyo w!t te Comm!ttee

on Soc!$l Ser%!ces.

#e $lso $%e

THE SPEAKER:C$n you "!%e us your obser%$t!ons $n' te recommen'$t!ons.

MR MUKITA!E: Muc obl!"e', Mr Se$*er. #!t your "u!'$nce, let me mo%e to $"e @4 onobser%$t!ons $n' recommen'$t!ons.

Te comm!ttee obser%e' t$t te $c!e%ements o& te ro9ect 'e%eloment w!ll be me$sure' us!n" te&ollow!n" *ey er&orm$nce !n'!c$tors? el!%ery t$*!n" l$ce !n 1o%ernment $n' r!%$te non8ro&!t e$lt&$c!l!t!es+ re"n$nt moters $t le$st $tten'!n" &our $nten$t$l c$re %!s!ts+ !n ercent$"e terms,

contr$cet!%es re%$lence r$te+ eole w!t $ccess to b$s!c $c*$"es o& e$lt+ $n' nutr!t!on or oul$t!onser%!ces $n' '!rect ro9ect bene&!c!$r!es, w!c w!ll !nclu'e te &em$le ercent$"e.

Te comm!ttee recommen's t$t te M!n!stry o& He$lt ensures t$t u8to8'$te b$sel!ne !n&orm$t!on or'$t$ on te $bo%e !n'!c$tors &or te t$r"ete' e$lt &$c!l!t!es !n te ro9ect $re !n l$ce. T!s !s so t$t teme$surements o& te er&orm$nce o& te ro9ect $t !ts en' become me$n!n"&ul $n' re$l!st!c.

Te comm!ttee obser%e' t$t !n or'er to ensure %$lue &or money, $t le$st two %$lue8&or8money $u'!ts w!llbe comm!ss!one' by te Au'!tor81ener$l 'ur!n" te l!&es$n o& te ro9ect. Te &un'!n" &or t!s $ct!%!ty!s ro%!'e' &or !n te ro9ect. #e &oun' t!s %ery commen'$ble.

Te comm!ttee obser%e' t$t !n te !mro%ement o& m$tern$l, newborn $n' &$m!ly l$nn!n" ser%!ces, te

ro9ect comonent on nutr!t!on !nter%ent!on rel$te' to m$tern$l e$lt $n' c!l' e$lt $' been e5clu'e'&rom te ro9ect. T!s !s !ns!te o& te &$ct t$t nutr!t!on !s $mon" te ro9ect !n'!c$tors &or er&orm!n",mon!tor!n" $n' e%$lu$t!on. Te comm!ttee recommen's t$t te m!n!stry re%!s!ts t!s $re$ !n &uture toensure !t uts !n l$ce $'e=u$te me$sures o& !ncoror$t!n" nutr!t!on !nter%ent!ons !n &uture ro9ects.

Te comm!ttee obser%e' t$t te ro9ect w!ll cre$te $ centr$l 9ob bure$u $t M!n!stry o& He$lt, w!c w!llbe 'ul!c$t!on !n te role currently l$ye' by te He$lt Ser%!ce Comm!ss!on. Te comm!ttee, tere&ore,recommen's t$t te m!n!stry soul' !nste$' stren"ten te He$lt Ser%!ce Comm!ss!on to en$ble !t to

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e&&!c!ently $n' e&&ect!%ely er&orm !ts &unct!on, esec!$lly t$t o& !mro%!n" um$n resource &or e$lt to$''ress m$tern$l $n' neon$t$l c$re.

#e $re concerne' t$t te 'e%eloment $rtners seem to be !ncre$s!n"ly m$*!n" $ 'em$n' t$t tero9ect !mlement$t!on un!ts $re $o!nte' outs!'e te e5!st!n" m!n!stry structures. #e t!n* t!s !s'$n"erous. As P$rl!$ment, we $' e$rl!er 'em$n'e' t$t $n' 1o%ernment $s been &ollow!n" on t$t 8

te m!n!stry uses te s$me um$n resource &or ro9ect coor'!n$t!on. So, we obser%e' t$t t$t concernsoul' be $''resse'.

Te comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t$t 1o%ernment $s re=ueste' U"$n'$ M$rtyrs Un!%ers!ty to 'e%elo $two8ye$r m$sters( ro"r$mme !n os!t$l m$n$"ement. Te ro9ect w!ll suort M!n!stry o& He$lt to!mlement t!s tr$!n!n" ro"r$mme $s well $s u"r$'e st$&& $lre$'y !n m$n$"ement os!t!ons. Tecomm!ttee recommen's t$t te M!n!stry o& He$lt soul' ensure t$t $ccre'!t$t!on o& suc roose'courses !s 'one.

#e $lso '!' obser%e t$t most e$lt un!ts l$c*e' b$s!c e=u!ment suc $s e5$m!n$t!on co$ces $n''el!%ery be's !n m$tern!ty w$r's. Tose t$t e5!ste' $re ol' $n' rusty w!c '!scour$"es moters &rom'el!%er!n" &rom e$lt un!ts. /!m!te' s$ce !n m$tern!ty w$r's $n' $lmost $ll e$lt w$r's $t $ll le%els

$' worsene' te s!tu$t!on. Te comm!ttee recommen's t$t 1o%ernment soul' cle$rly e$rm$r* $bu'"et &or t$t $n' "!%e !t te necess$ry $ttent!on !t 'eser%es !n or'er to m$*e b!" str!'es tow$r's$c!e%!n" M!llenn!um e%eloment 1o$l No.: ;M1 :0.

#e $' to re=uest te m!n!stry to "!%e us te!r He$lt Sector Str$te"!c Pl$n to el us un'erst$n' w$tl$ns tey $%e &or tose $re$s w!c $re sec!&!c$lly ment!one' !n t!s ro9ect. I woul' re=uest t$tco!es be "!%en to Members. Now t$t we $re t$l*!n" $bout n$t!on$l 'e%eloment, $s P$rl!$ment, wenwe $re 'e$l!n" w!t $ &ew !nter%ent!ons we soul' *now w$t !s ne5t $n' w$t te "$s $re. #e tou"tt$t !t w$s !mort$nt t$t we s$re w!t te Comm!ttee on Soc!$l Ser%!ces $n' te Members o& P$rl!$mentte !n&orm$t!on !n te He$lt Sector Str$te"!c In%estment Pl$n. I now l$y $ coy on te T$ble.

I $lso w$nt to s$y t$t we c$me $cross $ contr$ct. #ere$s Moyo Hos!t$l !s %ery cle$n, w$s bu!lt $t te

s$me t!me w!t A$c, $n' $%e *et te!r e=u!ment, !n A$c we "ot to re$l!se t$t $ lot o& e=u!mentw$s rusty. E%en &rom te e$rl!er money sou"t &rom te m!n!stry to re$!r A$c Hos!t$l, by te t!me wewere tere te contr$ctor $' not yet 'el!%ere'+ e w$s suose' to $%e $n'e' o%er !n 233


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Te comm!ttee recommen's t$t 1o%ernment soul' &ormul$te $ 'el!ber$te ol!cy to $ttr$ct e$ltr$ct!t!oners, esec!$lly me'!c$l o&&!cers, to wor* !n rur$l $n' $r'8to8re$c $re$s. Te ol!cy soul' $%e$ro$ces to ro%!'e $''!t!on$l $r's! $llow$nces &or me'!c$l st$&& oste' to '!str!cts w!t $re$s t$t$re $r'8to8re$c $n' l!%e !n, esec!$lly tose t$t were $&&ecte' by $rme' con&l!cts, %ery er!er$l,remote $n' oor.

Te comm!ttee &urter obser%e' t$t most o& te est$bl!se' %$c$nc!es !n te e$lt un!ts were not &!lle'u ence le$'!n" to $ !" $t!ent to me'!c$l wor*er r$t!o. Te most $&&ecte' st$&&!n" os!t!ons weretose o& me'!c$l 'octors, cl!n!c$l o&&!cers, enrolle' m!'w!%es $n' l$bor$tory st$&&.

Te comm!ttee recommen's to P$rl!$ment t$t te M!n!stry o& He$lt soul' e5e'!te te rocess o&recru!tment to &!ll %$c$nt osts !n $ll e$lt &$c!l!t!es !n or'er to !mro%e te me'!c$l wor*er to $t!entr$t!o, te l$c* o& st$&& $ccommo'$t!on $n' oor remuner$t!on. Tese $re m$9or &$ctors !n $ttr$ct!n" $n'ret$!n!n" me'!c$l ersonnel $n' tey soul' be $''resse' $s $ m$tter o& ur"ency.

Te comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t$t e$lt &$c!l!t!es $' $ c$llen"e o& meet!n" te e5ense o& $ltern$t!%eener"y sources. A &ew e$lt &$c!l!t!es t$t $' m$n$"e' to secure "ener$tors $n' sol$r $nels were$lw$ys con&ronte' w!t roblems o& sust$!n$b!l!ty 'ue to !" m$!nten$nce costs !n%ol%e'. Unst$ble $n'

tot$l l$c* o& ower suly !n some c$ses ren'ere' oer$t!n" te$tres !n os!t$ls $n' e$lt centre Is$n' $ &ew e5!st!n" sec!$l!se' e=u!ment suc $s 58r$ys $n' ultr$soun' m$c!nes re'un'$nt most o& tet!me. Te comm!ttee recommen's t$t 1o%ernment soul' cons!'er subs!'!s!n" ut!l!t!es &or e$lt&$c!l!t!es. Tose t$t 'o not $%e $ccess to y'ro electr!c ower soul' be &$c!l!t$te' to !nst$ll $ltern$t!%esources o& ower suc $s sol$r ower.

Te comm!ttee $lso obser%e' t$t e$lt &$c!l!t!es l$c* rel!$ble me$ns o& tr$nsort to en$ble tem c$rryout e%$cu$t!on o& emer"ency c$ses, ro%!'!n" outre$c ser%!ces $n' 'el!%ery o& sul!es. #e 'orecommen' t$t $t !"er le%els 8 '!str!ct, re"!on$l $n' n$t!on$l re&err$l os!t$ls 8 te M!n!stry o& He$ltnee's to cons!'er $ sec!$l bu'"et to c$ter &or m$!nten$nce o& $%$!l$ble $mbul$nce ser%!ces w!c $%el$r"ely been ne"lecte'.

#e $lso '!' obser%e t$t te &!n$nc!$l !m$ct o& te ro9ect on 1o%ernment(s e$lt sen'!n" w!ll be &eltm$!nly !n terms o& $''!t!on$l resources &or m$!nten$nce o& reno%$te' &$c!l!t!es, $n' re$!r $n'rel$cement o& me'!c$l e=u!ment. Te comm!ttee recommen's t$t 1o%ernment soul' sc$le u !tscomm!tment to !ncre$se' e$lt bu'"et &!n$nc!n" !& te ro9ect bene&!ts $re to be sust$!ne' beyon' tero9ect l!&es$n by ensur!n" t$t te recurrent costs 'ue to te ro9ect $re t!mely $bsorbe' to te n$t!on$lbu'"et.

On $"e 2, $s I conclu'e, te comm!ttee note' te "o%ernment e&&orts to $''ress e$lt systemsbottlenec*s $n' !mro%e e&&ect!%eness o& te e$lt sector. Em$s!s on $''ress!n" system w!'econstr$!nts w!ll ensure rero'uct!%e $ct!%!t!es become more sust$!n$ble.

Te ro9ect $!ms to !mro%e &unct!on$l!ty o& te e5!st!n" e$lt &$c!l!t!es, !n $rt!cul$r, to 'el!%er m$tern$l

$n' c!l' e$lt ser%!ces w!c reresent $ m$9or source o& '!se$se bur'en !n our oul$t!on. In%est!n" !nrero'uct!%e e$lt c$re, esec!$lly &$m!ly l$nn!n", w!ll not only rele$se te str$!n on te "o%ernmentbu'"et &or soc!$l ser%!ces, but w!ll $lso !mro%e te e$lt o& moters $n' c!l'ren $n' te o%er$llwel&$re o& ouseol's.

As !t $' been e$rl!er st$te' by te M!n!ster o& He$lt, we $re concerne' $s to wy !t w$s US @63m!ll!on, but we were rel!$bly !n&orme' t$t te &!"ure w$s suose' to be US B33 m!ll!on &rom te#orl' -$n* $ltou" te !n!t!$l !s US @63 m!ll!on. So, we were "!%en $ssur$nce 8 oss!bly M!n!stry o&He$lt $n' F!n$nce w!ll tell us t$t more !s yet to come $n' t$t !s wy we '!' $s* &or te e$lt sector

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!n%estment l$n. #e w$nte' to *now w!c o& tose $re$s $re "o!n" to be bene&!c!$r!es o& t!s He$ltSystems Stren"ten!n" Pro9ect ;HSSP0 II w!c w$s $lre$'y be!n" rolle' out.

In conclus!on, te comm!ttee, tere&ore, suorts $n' recommen's to t!s House to $ro%e te"o%ernment re=uest to borrow te muc nee'e' SR G Our$nswer !s $n !mme'!$te noG.

T!s lo$n !s $rt $n' $rcel o& te bu'"et we $%e $lre$'y $sse'. O& course, we c$n 'eb$te on weterwe coul' 'o $nyt!n" $t t!s st$"e, $s we '!' 'ur!n" te bu'"et st$"e wen we $ror!$te' te money, to

see weter we coul' $''ress oursel%es to te nee' &or borrow!n". T!s !s bec$use te comonents &orborrow!n" were !n'!c$te' !n te bu'"et $n' te 9ust!&!c$t!ons were tere!n.

As you *now, we ne%er re$lly "ot to 'eb$te !n 'et$!l te sess!on$l comm!ttee reorts $t t$t t!me. Now,w$t c$n we 'o $t t!s st$"e, $%!n" $sse' te &!"ures 'ur!n" te bu'"et> #$t c$n we 'o $bout t!s lo$noter t$n to $ss !t> T$t !s were we $re $n' !t !s $ re$l!ty. So, we $re s$y!n", !s t!s lo$n $ necess!ty ornot> I& you con%ert US @63 m!ll!on, t$t comes to $bout Uss 2B3 b!ll!on $t te r$te o& Uss 2,333. #$t!s Uss 2B3 b!ll!on> o we nee' to borrow t!s money>

Our e5er!ence w!t CHO1M !n'!c$tes to us t$t we c$n r$!se t$t money. #e r$!se' Uss :33 b!ll!on bysulement$ry*()ntere!tion You *now we r$!se' !t. Intern$l sourc!n" c$n be $ su&&!c!ent mec$n!sm&or &!n$nc!n" tese !n!t!$t!%es. #y $m I s$y!n" t!s> I t!n* tere $re re$lly ser!ous structur$l !ssues t$t

nee' to be $''resse' !n te M!n!stry o& He$lt. #e $%e $' $ se$r$te *(Mr Kakooa rose6I $m 9ustm$*!n" $ o!nt $n' you w!ll come !n, on. M!n!ster.

MR KAKOO8A:I t$n* you, my colle$"ue, &or "!%!n" w$y. I woul' l!*e to rem!n' colle$"ues t$t !t !se%en !n teHansardt$t P$rl!$ment $s been 'em$n'!n" &or e$lt stren"ten!n" systems, esec!$lly &orrero'uct!%e e$lt, $n' to t$ble t!s lo$n $n' see to !t t$t m$tern$l c!l' e$lt !s !mro%e'. #en yous$y t$t !t !s not $ necess!ty, we $re $t $ loss. I t$n* you %ery muc.

MR O-UMAN:Now, Mr Se$*er, my o!nt w$s 8

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MR NAN-A!A7MAABI:I t!n* we soul' not lose s!"t o& te !ssues. I 'o not t!n* our s$'owm!n!ster !s s$y!n" m$tern$l e$lt c$re !s not suose' to be ro%!'e'. Te $r"ument !s? #y soul' weborrow to tre$t our eole wen we coul' $%e use' our loc$lly "ener$te' &un's> T$t woul' $%e beente &!rst c$ll on our bu'"et. T$t !s te $r"ument.

It !s not "oo' &or us to be borrow!n" to tre$t our eole $n' yet we $%e our own resources w!c $remostly m!sm$n$"e'.

MR O-UMAN:I t$n* you &or te !n&orm$t!on.

MR TIN-AMAN5IRE:I t$n* you. I t!n* te essence !s not te element o& borrow!n", but I t!n*w$t on. O'um$n !s br!n"!n" u !s $ s!tu$t!on were we re&use' $ lo$n t$t w$s &rom Publ!c Ser%!ce.#en you loo* $t t!s lo$n ere, te essence !s, yes, we w$nt m$tern$l e$lt, but wen you loo* $t tem!n!ster(s e5l$n$t!on on $"e @@, &or e5$mle, tey $re t$l*!n" $bout m$tern$l $n' newborn $t US 63m!ll!on+ um$n resource $t US : m!ll!on+ !n&r$structure $t US #en we t$l* o& !n&r$structure, !t$s $ b!" comonent o& m$tern$l e$lt. o you 'el!%er &rom trees> (%au&hter#e $%e e=u!mentw!t!n te !n&r$structure $n' !t !s $ comonent w!t!n t!s money we $re t$l*!n" $bout.

MR O-UMAN:Mr Se$*er $n' on. M!n!ster, I t!n* you c$n see te !mme'!$te re$ct!on &rom te on.Member. You see, tere !s no content!on w$tsoe%er, weter we nee' to !mro%e m$tern$l e$lt+ tere!s no content!on $s to weter we nee' to bee& u our !n&r$structure. Our !n'!c$tors $n' le%els $re st!ll%ery low com$re' to recommen'e' st$n'$r's. Yes, we must 'o t$t, but te =uest!on !s, ow 'o we 'o!t>

In te l$st &!n$nc!$l ye$r, te M!n!stry o& He$lt c$me ere $n' brou"t u te !ssue o& 'ru" sort$"es $s$n e5$mle !n os!t$ls. Tey s$!' te solut!on to t!s !s to tr!le te bu'"et o& N$t!on$l Me'!c$l Stores.#e '!' e5$ctly t$t. #e "$%e money &or urc$se o& 'ru"s $n' we "$%e te money &or urc$se o& truc*s&or 'el!%er!n" te 'ru"s to te e$lt centres. U to to'$y, wen you "o 'own to te %!ll$"es $n' you w!llne%er &!n' me'!c!nes.

Te on. M!n!ster o& He$lt, wo !s your sen!or colle$"ue, w$s ere !n t!s House tell!n" us t$t enee'e' te el $n' te $ss!st$nce o& t!s House to est$bl!s $ *!n' o& comm!ttee o& !n=u!ry to !n%est!"$tewy '!str!cts $re not $s*!n" &or 'ru"

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