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Episode203:HiddenEMFDangersandHowtoMitigateThemWithGeobiologistBrianHoyer

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Katie:Hello.Andwelcometo"TheWellnessMama"Podcast.I'mKatie,fromwellnessmama.com.AndIamheretodaywithBrianHoyer,totalkallthingsEMFsandhowtomitigatethem.BrianisanutritionaltherapypractitionerwhotrainedattheKlinghardtAcademyatallthreelevelsofautonomicresponsetesting.He'salsoacertifiedgeobiologistwiththeGEOVITALAcademy,whichisanaturopathicclinicinAustraliawhospecializesinradiationprotectionandenvironmentalmedicine.That'smuchmoreofafocusinEuropeandtheyarereallycuttingedgewhenitcomestothat.Heisequippedwithaneducationthatallowedhimtoreadandrespondtotheinvisible.Andinthis,itdawnedonhimthatashelookedaroundatsocietyandsawthehiddendangersthatwerealreadydebilitatinggenerations,heknewthatwiththeexplosionoftechnologythattherewerealsotoolswecouldusetocreatesafetywithinit,whichiswhatIloveabouthisapproachbecausewecan'tallliveinacaveandneverinteractwithtechnology.Sotodaywe'regoingtodelveintohowtoliveinaworldwheretechnologyisfrontandcenterbutinasafeway.SoBrian,welcomeandthanksforbeinghere.Brian:Yeah,I'msogladtobehere.Katie:Well,firstandforemost,IwouldlovetohearalittlebitmoreaboutyourstorybecauseIactuallyknowyouinreallife.ButIdon'tfullyknowyourstoryotherthanIknowthattherearesomereallycoolpointstoit.Socanyoutalkabouthowyouendedupbecomingageobiologist,forinstance,andgotintothisworld?Brian:Yeah,sure.Well,itreallystartedwithdivingintoallthingsnaturalhealthandthathappenedbasicallywhenmywifeandIgotpregnantwithmyfirstdaughter,Journey.Andshewasanaturalbirthandweweredoinganaturalbirthingclass,theBradleyMethod,whichisprettycommononeoutthere.Alittleoutdatedbutit'svery,verygoodforlikehusband-coachedchildbirth.Andanyway,wemetsomecrunchypeopleinthereandthatmadeusquestionsomeofthethingsthatweweredoingandwhetherweweregonna

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vaccinateornotandallthesedifferentthings.AndsoIkindawentintomydaddymodeandstarteddoingalotofresearchanddiscoveredmercola.comandthatwastheendofit.Youknow,IjuststartedlearningallthesenewthingsaboutwhatIwantedtoputintomydaughter'sbodyandthatstartedmeonthistracktobecomeahealthpractitioner.Andeventually,withsomeofthecontinuingeducationandallthethingsthatcomealongwithbecomingahealthprofessional,youlearnmorethings.AndformeoneofthethingsIrealizedwheretherewasabiggapinalotofthepracticesthatareoutthere,eveninthenaturalhealthworld,wasthat...youknow,IwaslisteningtoalecturebyDr.Klinghardtinoneofmycontinuingeducationworkshopsandhewasjusttalkingabouthowinhispracticehedoesn'tworkwithanyofhisclientsorhispatientsuntilthey'vegonethroughthisEMFremediationprogramandtheyhavetoperfectthebedroom.Andthatjustreallystruckmebecausehetalkedabouthowkidswithautismdon'tgetbetter,peoplethathaveallthesechronicautoimmunediseasesdon'tgetbetterunlesstheyfixthisEMFproblemintheirbedroomespecially.Andso,youknow,IkindawentoutandIstartedlookingforallthesedifferentsolutionsoutthereandtherewasgarbage,orthingsthatbasically,youknow,youdon'tknowwhethertheyworkornotit'skindofamoresubjectivething.AndthenIreachedouttosomeotherprofessionalsandhadthemdosomeassessmentsforsomeofmynutritionclientsandIwasn'ttoosatisfiedwithwhattheyrecommendedeither.BecausemyideawasthatIwantedtohavethisinancestralapproachwherewehavetorecreateahealingspace,likeanancestralhealingspaceinthebedroomandcutoutallthemodernstressorsthatwe'reexposedto.AndsoIwentonasearchanddidsomefurthereducationwithGEOVITALAcademywho'sbeendoingthisfor35yearsoverinEurope.Andfromthatpoint,Iwaslike,"Okay,IfoundthepeoplethatIreallywannaworkwithandbetrainedby,"andthenIwannatakeittothenextlevelafterthat.SoIfeellikekindathat'swhatI'vedonesinceI'vestartedmynewcompanyandhavebeendoingassessmentsallovertheUnitedStates.Ididlikeabout200lastyearandI'montracktodothesamethingthisyear.Andit'samazingtheresultsthatI'mseeingwithpeople.I'mjustreallyexcitedtobeinthisfieldandhavethisopportunitytoofferthistofamiliesandindividuals.Katie:Yeah,Ithinkthisissomethingthatwe'regonnafindmoreandmore,itisdefinitelyhaveincreasingimportancewhenitcomestohealth.ButIloveifyoucouldkindofgiveussomebackgroundbecauseIthinkofallthethingsinthehealthworld,EMFsatoughoneforalotofpeopletofullywraptheirheadsaround.Onlybecauseitiscompletelyinvisibleandyouhavesourcesouttheresaying,"It'snotionizingradiation,it'scompletelysafe,there'snothingtoworryabout."Sotoestablishabaseline,canyoukindoftalkusthroughbasicallyhowareEMFsimpactingourbodyandatabasiclevel?Brian:Yeah.Well,forthosewhodon'tknow,EMFstandsforelectromagneticfrequenciesorelectromagneticfields.Andtheyaresplitupintotwobasicdifferentcategories.Andthere'snon-ionizingradiation,whichislikeyourelectricfields,yourmagneticfields,radiowaves,microwaves,millimeterwaves.Andthenonceyougetintokindofthevisiblelightspectrum,intotheUVlight,liketheultravioletlight,anditgoesabovethat,thatgetsintotheionizingradiationwherethere'snodisputeovertherebeingsomebiologicaleffectsandthatsortofthing.Andthattheconventionalunderstandingofitandthereasonthere'ssomuchcontroversyisthattheconventionalwisdomsaysthat,"Okay,yes,ionizingradiationcanmutateDNAandchangeyourDNA."Nobodydisputesthatsothat'slikeX-rays,yourgammarays,evenUVradiation,youcangetburnedbythesun,itcandamageyourDNA.ButIdon'tIstilldon'ttellpeopletoavoidthesun.Weknowthesunisgoodforus.Andourancestors,youknow,we'reeatinganurti-dense,wholefooddietandexposedtosunlightandhad,youknow,reallygood

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healthbenefitsfrombeingoutinthesun.Thereisunnaturalionizingradiationthatisobviouslybadfromnuclearradiationandthatsortofthing.Soconventionalwisdomagreesthatallthatstuffisbadbuttheydon'tagreethattherecanbeeffectsfromthenon-ionizingradiation.Andtheonlywaythattheybelievetherecanbeaneffectisifitheatsthebody.Likeinamicrowavewhenyouheatyourfood,ifit'sintenseenoughtoheatthebodytheybelievethenitcanhaveanimpactbiologicallyandtheycallthatthermaleffects.Butwhatmany,manystudies,thousandsofthousandsofstudies,eventhoughourowngovernmenthasstudiedthisandshownthis,isthatyouknow,manystudiesshowthattherearenon-thermal,non-ionizingradiationeffectsonthebody.Andonewaythatthishappensisbythesechannelsinourcellscalledvoltage-gatedcalciumionchannels.AndtheguywhoreallyprovedthattherearebiologicalnegativeeffectsoftheseelectromagneticfrequenciesisDr.MartinPall.He'soutofWashingtonStateUniversityandhe'saprofessoroutthereandheshowedthatyouputpeopleonvoltage-gatedcalcium,orcalciumchannelblockers,andyoucanactuallyblockthenegativeeffectsofthesedifferentelectromagneticfrequenciesandtheirimpactonthebody.Andhehadonegroupthatwasexposedandhadthechannelblockersandonegroupthatwasexposedtothesameanddidn'thavethem.Andthegroupthatdidn'thavethechannelblockersshowedthattheyhadmuchmoreoxidativestressanddamagefromthis.Andyouknow,youcanlookupthestudy,it'sapublishedpeer-reviewedstudyandit'scalled,"Voltage-GatedCalciumChannels."LookupDr.MartinPall,P-A-L-L,andyoucanfindthatstudyandyoucanseeallthedifferenteffectsthattheyhave.That'soneway,butthewayIliketoexplainittopeopleisthatifyoujustthinkofthewaythatevenelectricityimpactsthebody,youknow,howdowerestartaheart?Weusevoltagetodothatandthatcontractsthemuscle.Andthenifyouthinkaboutanytimethatyouhaveelectrodesonthebodyyoucanstimulateinvoluntarymusclecontractionwithvoltage.Sointoday'sworld,webasicallysurroundourbedroomwiththis,withvoltageonallthewalls,withthewiresgoingthroughthewalls,upthroughtheceilingandthroughthefloormanytimesifyouhaveupstairsroomsinyourhouse.Andyouhavethisconstantbodyvoltagethatyoucanmeasureonthebodyandthat'sstimulatingmusclecontractioncausingthiscortisolresponse.Andwhenyourcortisolgoesup,yourmelatoningoesdown,andwhenyou'remelatoningoesdownyoudon'tsleepasdeeplyorgetasrestfulasleepandyourbodydoesn'tdetoxatnight.Andsothere'sallkindsofstudiesthatalsoshowyougetlowmelatoninfromhighEMFexposurefromelectricfieldsandmagneticfieldsandthenallthewirelessradiationwhichwecantalkaboutalittlemoreindepth.Katie:Forsure,Idefinitelygodeeponthat.I'dlovetogetsuperpracticaltoobecauseyouactuallydoassessmentsinpeople'shouses.You'vebeentomyhouseactuallyanddoneanEMFassessment.Socanyouwalkusthrough,startingatthebeginning,whatyou'relookingforwhenyouwalkintosomeone'shouseandyoustartedassessing,whatarethethingsthatyou'remeasuringandwhatareyoulookingfor?Brian:Sure,yeah,well,basicallywhenIfirstwalkuptosomeone'shouseI'mlookingatwhattheirhouseismadeof.Ifit'smade...youknow,whatkindofsiding,whatkindofroofing.Andthenalso,youknow,justbecausethematerialswemakeourhomesoutofcanactuallybebeneficialornotbeneficialtoblockingfrequenciesthatarecomingfromoutside,fromthewirelesstransmissions,fromtheradio,television,andcellphonetowersthatsortofthing,andsoIkindamakeanoteofthatwhenIfirstlookatahouse.AndthenI'malsolookingtoseeifthere'sabigtransformeranywherenearahouse,whetherthelinesoutsideareburiedorabovegroundandhowbigtheyare,andthenI'malsotakingmeasurementsgoingintothehouse.Andprobablythenumberonethingforlikewhensomeone'sbuyingahouseorwherethehouseislocatedwhere,youknow,youmightwannathinkaboutmovingisifthere'safieldcomingfromoutsidethehouseto

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theinsideofthehousethatyoucan'tcontrol.Sothatwouldbesomethinglikeatransformerorhugepowerlinesthatareoutsidethatarenearthehousethatarepenetratingthehome,becausethat'simpracticaltoshieldagainst.Youknow,withmagneticfieldsyoucan'treallyshieldpracticallyagainstthoseifyou'reclosetothem,becausethebestthingtodoistogetdistancebetweenyourselfandthemagneticfields.Andthenforallthewirelesstransmissions,youcanactuallygotothiswebsitecalledantennasearch.comandyoucanlookuptoseehowmanycellphonetowersandradiotowersandtelevisiontowersarearoundyourhomeandhowclosetheyareandalsowhatfrequencythey'retransmittingat.Andthatwayyoucankindagetabetterideawhatkindashieldingyoucanputinplacetomitigatethat.Butyeah,youknow,there'sbasicallythreedifferenttypesofthingsI'mtestingforwhenIgointoahouse.I'mtestingforthemagneticfields,andthosearejustanythingwithamotorrunningorhascurrentgoingthroughthewirewithelectricallinesthatarehighpowered.Andthenalsosometimeswhenyouhave...ifyougointoyourbasementandyouchecktoseeifyouhavemetalpipesinyourhome,andthenalsolookrightwherethewatercomesinwhereyoucanshutthewatermainoff,there'sawire.Ifthere'sawirethat'sattachedtothatpipeit'sverylikelythatthatwireisgoingtoyourhome'sgroundingsystemandtherestofyourneighborhoodisthesameway.Andwhatthatmeansisthatallthosepipesareverylikelytobeenergizedandtheymaybeproducingamagneticfieldwhereverthosepipesaregoinginthehouse.Sothat'sanotherthingthatItestforwhenIgointopeople'shomes.Wetalkedaboutmagneticfields,thenyoualsohavetheelectricfieldsandthisisadifferenttypeofmeasurement.Youmeasurethatwithvoltage.Withmagneticfields,you'remeasuringinmilligaussornanotesla.Realquick,Ijustkindawannapausehereandsaythatalotofpeopleneedto...youknow,whatmostpeopleneedtounderstandwhenIgotosomeone'shomeisthatifthere'sthreedifferentthingsthatI'mmeasuringforthatmeansthere'sthreedifferentsolutionsforeachthingthatI'mmeasuringfor,becausethedifferenttypesoffieldsbehavedifferently.Andso,youknow,themagneticfields,likeIsaidbefore,it'sadistance.Withwireless,youcanactuallyshieldagainstthewirelessradiationandcreatewhattheycallaFarradaycageandthat'skindofwhatwedointhebedroom.Andwithelectricfields,ifyouputagroundedbarrierbetweenyouandtheelectricfieldsit'sjustlikeyou'reoutinnature.You'renolongerexposedtotheelectricityanymoreandsoit'snotcontractingyourmusclesorcausingastressresponseanylonger.SoI'mcheckingforthosethreethingsI'mgoingthroughthehousefindingallthewirelesstransmissionsaswell.Andthencheckingthebedrooms,especially,becausethat'swhereIreallyliketofocusinon.That'swhereweseethemostresultsisifwecanjustperfectthebedroom.Andthenpeople...we'veseeninclinicalexperiencethatpeoplehavebeenabletohandlemoreofthisEMFstressduringthedaytime.Katie:Yeah,absolutely,Ithinkthat'sabigkey,atleastinmyresearchaswell,isfindingthatifallyoudoismitigateatnight,likecertainlythere'salotmoreyoucanandshoulddo,butifyoujuststartthereitactuallymakesabiggerdifferencethanjustifyousleepathirdofyourlifeitmakesabiggerdifferencethanjustthatbecauseourcells,frommyunderstanding,aremoresusceptibletothatdamageatnightandwehavetobemorecareful,correct?Brian:Yeah,exactly.Itellpeopleit'skindalikeatnightyourshieldsaredownyouknow,you'resupposedtobeinthisnicerestful,parasympatheticstate.Andthat's,youknow,whenyourbodyisrestedandyourguardsdown,that'swhenitfeelssafeenoughtodotherepairworkandthedetoxificationwork,becausedetoxificationisaparasympatheticrestanddigestprocess.Butifyou'renotgettingthat,ifyou'resurrounded

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byallthesestressorsandyou'renotgettingintothatparasympatheticstatethenyourbodycannevertrulygointothatdeep,restful,healingstatethatitneedstogoinatnighttime.Andnighttimeiswhenyourbrainactuallyshrinksbylike40%,likeallthecellsshrinkby40%andcreatesallthisspaceinsideofyourbrain,andthenthemelatoninfloodsthebrainitactuallyflushesoutandtakes...youknow,melatoninisaverypotentantioxidant,probablythemostpotentantioxidantinthehumanbody.Anditsjobatnighttimeisto,yes,actasasleephormone,butibecauseit'spotentantioxidantit'sfloodingthebrainwithallthisantioxidantmaterial,youknow,componentsithasinitandit'sbasicallybindingallthesefreeradicalsinthisoxidativestressandthenflushingitoutthecerebralspinalfluidthroughthisnewlydiscoveredthing.LikeIthinkitbackintheUniversityofRochester,likefiveorsixyearsagotheydiscoveredthatthebrainhasadetoxpumpcalledtheglymphaticsystem.Anditbasicallyflushesalltheoxidativestressoutthebackofyourheadintothecirculatorysystemthroughyourliverandkidneystoprocess.Andthenthere'salso,youknow,atnighttimeyourbodyisalsodetoxingalltheotherorgansthroughthelymphaticsystem.Andthat'sbeenshownwithbytheworkofDr.SachaPandenanditcorrelatesverysimilarlywiththeoldChineseclockthat'sverywellknowninChinesemedicine.Soyeah,nighttimeisvery,veryimportantandthat'swhenIseethebestresultsofpeople,andIcantellyoulotsofstoriesonsomeofthoseresultstoo.Katie:Yeah,actually,let'spausethereandtalkaboutthatbecause,likeIsaid,Ithinkit'shardforalotofpeopletograspjusthowimportantthiscanbe.Anditiseasierwhenyou'vereadbookslike"TheBodyElectric"oryouunderstandjusthowelectricourbodiesare.Buttalkaboutthat,talkaboutsomeofthetangiblechangesthatyou'veseeninpeoplebyjustmitigatingEMFs.Brian:Yeah,sothere'salotofpeoplethat...youknow,there'sonewomanthatIdidinPacificNorthwest,weshieldedherroom,itwasinSeattle.Andtheveryfirstnightthatshesleptinthatroom,youknow,shehadbeenhavingnightsweatsforlike,youknow,Idon'tevenknowhowlong.Itwaslikeyearslike,maybe5or10years,andthentheveryfirstnighttheyjuststoppedandtheyhaven'tcomebacksincethen.Andyouknow,Iwasjustkindaastoundedbythatwhenshetoldmethatshesaid,"It'sdefinitelybecauseoftheshieldingthatwedidintheroomthatthisstoppedbecauseIwashavingareallybadproblemwiththisanditwas...myhusbanddidn'tlikeit."Youknow,andsonightsweatsissomethingthat'shugethatI'veseen.ThereisanotherwomaninthesameareathatgotoffofTylenolPM.Shewasself-medicatingwiththat,couldn'tsleep,she'dgetconfusedanddeliriousinthemiddleofthenightifshehadtogetupandshe'dgotothebathroom.Thatcompletelystoppedwhensheshieldedherroom.Andthenthere'sotherpeoplethathavethingslikeringingintheears,tinnitus,andthatsortofthing,andthatjustkindofdisappears.Youknow,there'sbuzzingorringingintheears.Andwhenyoublackoutallthosefrequenciesthatstopstimulatingthenervoussystemandyou'reactuallyabletorestandyoustophearingthesethingsthataregoingoninyournervoussystemfromitmisfiringfromthevoltageandthedifferentfrequenciesthatarepenetratingintoyourbedroom.Sothosearejustafewexamples.Youknow,there'sthere'smanymore,restlesslegsyndrome,thatcangoaway.Andthatmakesalotofsensetomeasanutritionaltherapypractitionerbecausealotofpeoplethathaverestlessleg,youknow,youimmediatelyasahealthprofessionalyouthink,okay,thathastodowithmineralsandfattyacidsandthatsortofthing.Andyouknow,ifyou'reconstantlybeingstimulatedbythesevoltage-gatedcalciumchannelsandit'scausingyoutocontractyourmusclesinvoluntarily.Whenamusclecontracts,you'reputtingcalciumintothecellsbutwhenyoudothatyou'realsodepletingyourmagnesiumstores.Soalotofpeoplewithrestlesslegsyndromehaveproblemswithlowmagnesiumoranimbalanceofdifferentminerals.Andthesevoltage-gated

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ionchannels,notjustcalcium,there'salsopotassiumchannelsandsodiumchannels,theycanbestimulatedanditdepletesyouofthesemineralsconstantlyallnightlongwhileyou'resleeping.Katie:Yeah,absolutely,andIthinkthat'stheeasiestwaythatIthinkofitisjustthatbasicallyeventhoughwecan'tseethemandwemaynotactivelyfeelthem,EMFsareessentiallylow-levelstressthatourbodyhastodealwithallthetime.Andwecancomprehenditmoreeasilylikeifwefeltstressedorwehadalotofstressorsinourlifeallthetimewithnobreak,howmuchofanimpactthatwouldhaveonourhealth.Andweknowtheresearchtherebutit'smakingthatconnectionmentallyIfeelreallyhelpsunderstandjusthowimportantEMFsare.AndI'dalsoloveifyoucouldtalkalittlebitabouthowimportantthisis,especiallywithchildren,andthedifferencesbetweenchildren'sbodiesandadultbodieswhenitcomestoEMFexposure.Brian:Oh,yeah,definitely.Youknow,withmykids,Ihavethreegirls,andlastsummerweactuallyhadbuiltashieldedtinyhouse,oneofthosetinyhouseonwheels,andit'sactuallytwosummersago.Andweweretravelingacrossthecountryandtheysleptgreatgoingallacrossthecountry.Andthenassoonaswemovedout,youknow,wehadtomovethekidsoutofthetinyhousebecauseweneededtofinishtheinsideofit,whichwestillhaven'tdonelikeayearlater.Butwhenwemovedthemouttheystartedhavingsleepproblemsagain.Mykidsstartedgrindingtheirteeth,andtheywouldn'tsleepaswell,theywouldhavetogothebathroominthemiddlethenight,thatsortofthing.Andyouknow,Iattributedittogettingoutofthetinyhousewherewewereactuallyshieldedandprotectedfromallthesedifferentfrequencies.Andkids,they'resmallersotheycanbemoreaffectedbyanythingreally,youknow,theyhaveasmallerbodyandsotheirskullsarethinnerandsothedifferenttypesofEMFcanactuallypenetratedeeperintotheirbodies.Butalso,especiallykidsthatareatastageofwherethey'relikeataslowgrowthstagewheretheirbraindevelopment,youknow,theirbrain'sdeveloping,orinfantswheretheyhavethisbraindevelopmentthat'sgoingon,thesefrequencieshavebeenshowntocauseapermeableblood-brainbarrierinsomestudies.There'sonestudybyDr.AlanFrey,thatshowsthatwherehehastheseratsthathetestsandexposesthemtoradiofrequencyradiation,whichiswirelessradiationjustlikeyourWiFirouteroryourcordlessphone,that'ssortofthing.Andonegroupofratswasinjected...youknow,theyinjectedbothwiththisdye.Onegrouphadwhatwasexposedtothiswirelessfrequency,theotherwasn't.Theonethatwasexposedtothefrequency,withinfivesecondstheirblood-brainbarrierfluorescedaswellaswiththerestofthecirculatorysystem.Butfortheothergroup,everythingexceptthebrainfluorescedandsothoseblood-brainbarrierswereintact.Andsoyouthinkaboutthatinrelationshipto,youknow,thetrendswe'reseeingwithchildhooddiseasesandthingslikethatwith,youknow...manypeopleareconcernedaboutthevaccinesandthey'relinkedtoautismandthatsortofthingandIdon't,youknow,wannatakeastandonthatrightnow.ButIthinkthatitstandstohavesomemoreresearchwhenyouthinkabout,okay,iftherearesomeadjuvantsinthesevaccinesorthere'sametalloadinthebody,whetherit'saluminumorthimerosalmercurywhatever,Iftheblood-brainbarrierisintactthensomekidswon'tbeaffectedasmuchasthekidswhodon'thavethatintactblood-brainbarrier.Becausethesebarriersareveryimportanttokeeptoxinsoutoforgansthatarevitaltoourhealth,ourbrains,ourguts,youknow.Thebodydoeseverythingitcantokeeptoxinsandchemicalsoutofourbloodstreamandoutofourbrainandourdifferentorgans.Butthethingthat'ssodamagingabouttheEMFisthatit'stargetingthebarriersthataresupposedtopreventusfrombeingexposedtothesetoxinswhenwehappentohavetheminjectedintousorweconsumethemthroughourmouths.Butifthosebarriersarenotintactthenthosesensitiveorgansarethenexposedtothisanditcancausedamage.Sowithkids,it'sespeciallyimportantwhenthey'rebuildinguptheirgoodgutflora,whenthey'reinfants,andthenalso,youknow,whenthey'reinthewomb,whenyou'repregnant.Andthat'sareallyinterestingthingtoobecausethe

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placentalbarrierisanothertypeofbarrierthattheseEMFsattack.Andthere'sonethingthatDr.Klinghardttalksaboutisthat,youknow,hehadanin-housestudyinhisclinicwherehehad,Ithinkitwaslike10ofhispatients,youknow,ofthekidsthathadautismandthen10thatdidn't.Andhewentbackandstudiedthekidsthathadautism,liketheplacewherethemothersleptwhileshewaspregnantwiththatchild.Andforthekidsthathadautism,itwas10to20timesmoreelectromagneticfrequenciesthanthelocationofthechildrenthatdidn'thaveautismanditwasconsistent.Sohebelievesthathecanpredictwithnearly100%accuracywhetherachildisgonnahaveautismornotbasedonmeasuringtheplacewherethemothersleptwhenshewaspregnantwiththechild.Andso,yes,kidsaredefinitelymoreimpactedbythiswhetherthey'rebornorunborn,they'reimpacted.Andsoyouknow,Ithinkit'svitallyimportant,especiallyforourchildren,youknow,likeatleastprotectyourkids'bedroomsandgetthatenvironmentvery,veryhealthyforthem.Katie:Yeah,absolutely,andI'mcuriousbecauseyou'vedonesomanyhomeassessmentsandseenallkindsofdifferentconfigurationsandlevels,whatdoyouseeasthemostcommonmajoroffendersinmosthomes?Brian:AsfarasthingsthatpeoplecancontrolIwouldsay,youknow,alotofpeopledon'trealizethattheirAppleTVsaregivingoffWiFisignalthat'sjustasstrongorstrongerthanyourWiFirouter.Sothere'sthat,there'sallthewirelessthingsthatareinthehomethatyoumightnotbeawareof.Sothere'syourWiFirouter,andwiththeWiFirouter,alotofuscanrememberatimewhenwedidn'thaveWiFiandwehadeverythingpluggedin.Sobasically,inordertoperfectyourhouse,yourinternalenvironment,partofthatequationistogobacktothat,youknow,andstartwiringyourhouse.UsetheoldEthernetcables,theCAT7cables.Andthenalso,youknow,ifyoudon'thavethatoryoudon'thaveitwiredoryouthinkthat'dbeapain,thereisthisdeviceyoucangettoadaptyourcoaxialcable.Alotofbedroomshavealittle,youknow,likethecoaxialcableintheroom.AndyoucanjustconnectthislittleadaptertothattoanEthernetandthenyoucanhaveyourinternetconnectionforyourTVoryourcomputerorwhatever.Andthenthere'salsoadaptersyoucangetforyourphonesandyouriPadsandtabletsandthatsortofthingtoo.SoyoucangetbacktoawiredhomeandnotrelyonwirelessInternet.Andthen,youknow,there'sallthesmartdevices,andthereasonthatalotofpeoplewantWiFinowisbecausetheywannaasmarthomewithallthesedifferentsmartdevicesthatareallconnectedandcommunicatingwitheachother.Andbutforourhealth,Ithinkwejusthavetomoveawayfromallofthat.Sogetridofthecordlessphones,makesureyoudon'thave...youknow,allyourappliancesdon'thaveanythingsmartonthem.Andiftheydo,thentrytodisableit,gointothesettingsandseeifthere'sanyWiFisettingsorcallthemanufacturerandmakesurethere'snothingthat'semitting.Butevenifyoudothat,youcan'talwaystrustthem.Ican'tcountthenumberoftimesI'vehadaclientcallandsay,"Oh,Icalledthemandtheysaidthattherewasn'tanythingemitting."ButthenI'mattheirhouseamonthlatertestingandI'mlike,"Well,there'sstillsomesignalemittingfromthissoweneedtoprobablyjustturnitoff,unplugit."Andtheninsomethings,likethere'ssomewirelessspeakersthatyoureallyneedtoavoidaswellbecauseevenifyouturnthemoff...I'vetriedtoturnthingsoffandtheystillareemittingasignal.Sothat'skindofacommononetoo.Let'ssee,asfarasotherwireless,probablyprinters.Manyofushaveprinters,weusethemveryseldomlybutwekeepthemonandmostofthemareenabledwithWiFisoifyoucanturnthatoffthatwillbegood.AndthenabouteverysinglehomethatIdoanassessmentonwehaveanelectricfieldissuejustbythenatureofbeingsurroundedbytheelectricalwiresinthewall.Sotherearesolutionsforthattoobutthat'sjustagiven.Butsomethingyoucandointhemeantimetoloweryourbodyvoltageistojustkeepeverythingunpluggedin

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thehouseandthatcanhelp.Andthenwithmagneticfields,wejusttrynottokeepfansrightnexttoourheads.AndalotofalarmclocksthatIseeoutthereactuallyhavealargemagneticfieldandthey'llbereallyclosetothebed.Andthenifyoucangetpeopletostopchargingtheirphonesinthewallandkeeptheirphoneonairplanemodeatnight,allofthesethingshelptoo,youknow,asastartingpoint.AndIalwayssaystartingpointbecausethesearethingsthatyoucancontrolinyourownhouse.Butabout90%ofthehomesthatItest,youknow,youhavethebulkoftheradiationisactuallycomingfromoutsidethehouse,whichissomethingthatmostpeopleinmyprofessiondon'trealize.Theythinkthat90%ofthatstuffiscomingfrominsideyourhouse.Andit'sjustsomethingwhereI'vemeasuredit,IhaveatoolthatyouactuallymeasurethebodyasanantennaforthewirelessradiationtransmissionsandittellsawholedifferentstorythanwhatpeopleintheUnitedStateshavebeensayingfor15,20years.Katie:Yeah,Ithinkit'sgonnabe,likeIsaid,agrowingthingandagrowingawarenesshopefully.

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Katie:Ifeellike,hopefully,peoplearegettingamuchmorebroadunderstandingofthis.Iknowthatyou'reoutthereeducatingandthere'sothersaswell,anditcanseemoverwhelming.Iknowthatevenforme,thisissomethingI'veresearchedalot,anditcanstillseemoverwhelming.Sounderstandingsomeofthosecommonsourcesand,likeyousaid,thatalotofthesourcesareactuallyoutsideofthehome.WhataresomestepsthatwecantakeashomeownerstoactuallystartmitigatingsomeoftheEMFsweencounterinourhomes?Brian:Yes.SobesidesthethingsImentionedbefore,youknow,allthethingsthatareinsideyourhomeyou

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havecontrolover.Soyoucandefinitelystartwiththat,youknow,gettingridofallthewirelessproductsandunpluggingthingsinyourroom.Therearetheselittleremoteswitchesyoucangettohavelikeakeyfobonthemanditdoestransmitlikealittlewirelesssignalbutit'sonlywhenyoupressthebutton.AndIusethatforpeoplethatreallywannaholdontotheirWiFiandmostofthehomesthatIgoin,youknow,Ihavealotofmotherscallmeandtheyareconcernedabouttheirfamily,theirchildren.Andthere'ssomedadsthatareconcernedtooandthey'regung-hoandonboard.ButabigthemethatIseeisalotofmenhavingissueswithgettingridofWiFiandnotwantingtobudgeonsomeofthesethings.AndsoIknowthere'sprobablyalotofwomenlisteningtothispodcastrightnowthatarelaughing,saying,"That'smyhusband."Andyouknow,butmygoalwhenIdoanassessmentistogoinandhelpmakethehusbandtheheroandpartoftheteaminfiguringoutthisproblemforhisfamily.Because,youknow,withouteverybodyonboardyou'renotgonnabeabletodoanyofthesesuggestions.Andsoabigpartofgettingthingsdoneforyourfamily,asfarasforyourhealth,isyouknow,gettingoversomeoftheseemotionalbarriersandthisneedoraddictiontothiswirelessradiationandthatsortofthing.Andthenalsojustgivingpeopleoptionsto,"Okay,well,wecanstillconnectourphonestotheinternetthroughtheseadaptersthatcangetit."SoEthernettomicroUSBorEthernettoUSBCadapterorfortheiPhoneEthernettolightningport,andyoucanlookallthesethingsupAmazon,theyhavethemallontheAmazon.Butbeyondthat,asfarasallthefrequenciescomingfromoutsidethehome,youreallyneedanassessmenttoknowexactlywhattodo.BecauseoneofthethingsthatIkindaguardagainstismakinggeneralizedrecommendationstopeople.Becauseifthere'sanybodythatsaystheyhavetheonesolutiontoallyourEMFproblems,they'relyingtoyou.AndthewaythatIkindofexplainthistopeopleisthat,youknow,youneedtobeabletoblockphysically...youknow,alltheseelectromagneticfrequenciesarebasedonthelawsofphysics.Andweneedtousethelawsofphysicstoblocktheseandtorecreatethisancestralhealingenvironmentinourbedroomsforourkidsandforourfamiliesandeverything.Andsoinordertodothatwehavetousethoselawsofphysics.Sointhebedroom,wehaveaspecialshieldingpaintwherewerepaintthewholeroom,it'sacarbongraphite,non-toxic,zero-VOCpaint.Andyoupaintitallaroundtheroomintwolayersandthensandwichedbetweenthelayersofpaintyouhavethisconductivegroundingtapethatgoesallthewayaroundtheperimeteroftheroom,uponewallandthenacrossonelengthtotheceiling.Andthenyouhaveanelectrician,orahandyman,basicallydothislittlefive-minuteprocedurewhereyoutaketheoutletoutofthewall,youwrapthegroundingtapearoundthegroundoftheoutlet,andthenyouputthatbackinandthenpaintwhatevercoloryouwantoverthisblackshieldingpaintandyourroomcanlookexactlythewayitisbutitcanbeshieldedfromallthewirelessoutside.Andthenbecauseit'sgrounded,noneoftheelectricitycanreachoutfromthewalls,youbasicallyhaveagroundedwallwherethere'snoelectricitycomingoutfromit.Andthenwehaveothersolutionsfortheflooring.ButIalwaystellpeoplethatyouneedtohaveanassessmentbecausetheremightbeasituationwhereyouhavealotof,youknow,geopathicstress,whichisradiationcomingupfromtheearththat'sexcessivethatcan'tbeblocked.Andthere'sanothersolutionforthataswellbuttheotherreasonisbecausetheremightbeamagneticfieldfromoutsidethehomethat'soutofyourcontrol.AndsoIdon'twantpeopletospendlikelikeacouplethousanddollarsshieldingabedroomwhenthere'saproblemthatcan'tbefixedandyoucan'tgetthatoptimalenvironment.AndsoIreallywantpeopletofeelgoodaboutthesolutionsthatthey'reputtinginandtoseeresultsfortheirhouse.Andinordertodothatyoureallyhavetotrytomimicthatancestralenvironmentandcoverallyourbasesandjustgetanassessmentandgetthatdoneandbasicallygetahealing

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protocolforyourhome.Katie:I'mcuriousyourtake,becauseIknowalotofpeoplelisteningdon'tspend24hoursadayintheirhomesobviously,andhopefullyalotofusarespendingatleastsomeofthattimeoutdoorsinstead.Butforpeoplewhoareinanofficeorinaschool,isthat...obviously,wecan'tmitigateanentireschooloranentireofficebuilding.Howbigofaconcerndoyouthinkthatis?AndIguess,inotherwords,doyouthinkifwemitigatethehomeenvironmentandthesleepenvironment,doesthatallowustohavemoreresilienceinthoseenvironments?Brian:Yeah,Ithinkthat'sexactlywhat'sbeenfoundinalotoftheclinicalresearchthat'sbeendoneoutthere,youknow.ButI'malwaysanadvocateforreducingthingsduringthedaytimeaswellbecausewedohaveanonslaughtofthat.Therearesome,youknow,supplementsthatyoucantaketohelpyourbarriersandbasicallyyourresilienceduringtheday.Youknow,ifyouworkwithapractitionertogetyouonaspecificmineralregimenandbalanceyourmineralswhetheryouhavesomebodywhorunsHTMApanelsorsomethinglikethat.That'ssomethingthatcanbereallyhelpfulforallchildrenandfamilies,men,women,whatever,youknow,getyourmineralsbalancedandgetonagoodprotocolforthat.Andthenalsojust,youknow,handlingtheoxidativestress.There'sthisproductcalledmolecularhydrogenthatyoucangetandthathelpstomitigatethedamagingeffectsoftheEMFby,youknow,causingyourbodytobefloodedwithantioxidantswhenyou'reexposedtotheEMFtokindablockthenegativeeffectsofthem,andanyantioxidantwillreallydothatButyeah,duringtheday,youknow,oneofthethingsthatIhavepeopledois...youknow,IactuallyconsultedwiththiscompanytocreatethisEMF-freelampthattheyuseinasauna.Buttheyhaveadaytimeproductthatyoucanactuallyputonyourdeskanditwillshineredlightinyourface.Andtheredlighttherapycausesphotobiomodulation,whichwillactuallyrepairDNAdamage.AndDNAdamageisexactlywhatthedifferenttypesofEMFaredoingtothebody.AndsotheproductisperfectlyshieldedanditalsohasagroundingportinitandIhavepeopleusethattogroundtheirdesk,especiallyiftheyhaveastandingdeskorsomekindofmetalontheirdesktheycanusethat.Andthenitcangoitattachintogroundingpadswhereyoucangroundyourelectronics.Andanytimeyouusegroundingequipment,youdon'tbeincontactwiththegroundoftheequipment,youwanttheequipmenttobegroundedandthatwayitreducestheelectricfieldsthatarecomingonyourbody.Alotofpeoplemakethemistakewithgroundingequipmentofactuallystandingonthegroundedpadorthegroundingsheetorwhateverwhenyou'resurroundedbyelectricity.Ifyoutakethatanalogytotheextremeandyoupicturelikealow-hanginglivewire,likeanelectricalwire,ahigh-voltagewire,andyougouptothatandyougrabitwhenyou'regrounded,yougetelectrocuted.Andsoallofthatcurrentgoesthroughyourbodytotheground.Thesamethinghappensonamuchlowerlevelwhenyou'reonagroundingmatorgroundingsheetoragroundingpadandyou'resurroundedbyelectricity.Youcantestyourbodyvoltage,itgoesdowntozero,butyounowhavecurrentgoingthroughyourbodyandalloftheelectricfieldsareattractedtotheground.Sobecausethey'reattractedtothegroundit'sbettertousethegroundingmaterials,thegroundingproductsasabarrier,notsomethingyouactuallytouchuntilyou'veeliminatedalloftheelectricfieldsaroundyouandmimicnaturethenyoucangroundanditcanbeahealthything.Whichiswhatwereallytrytodointhebedroomistogetyourbodyvoltageallthewaydowntoasclosetozeroaspossible.Iliketoseebelow10millivoltsorbelow30voltspermeteronthegeovitalmeterthatIuse.Andthenbringinyourgrounding

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productthatisgroundedintoastakeinthegroundinahealthylocationoutside.Becausethereissomeareasthathavegroundcurrentoutsidesoyouhavetotestwhereyouputyourstaketogetitintherightspot.Katie:Gotit.AndIknowanotherquestionIgetalotiswhatkindofmeterstouseandwhatyou'remeasuring.AndIknowthat,obviously,thebestcasescenarioistoactuallyworkwithanexpertlikeyou.Butsinceyoucan'tbeeverywhereatonceandcanallworkwithyou,arethereanybasicyoucankindofgiveusforwhatmetersmightactuallygiveyouanaccurategaugeofEMFsandwhattolookfor?Brian:Yeah,it'skindahardtogiveyouonemeterespeciallythat's...youknow,itwouldbeidealiftherewasonemeterouttherethatcouldmeasurethethreethingsprettyaccurately.ThereisonethatIbelievedoesanokayjobandit'scalledtheENVRD-10andit'salittlehandheldmeter,Ithinkit'sabout$170,butitmeasuresthreedifferenttypesofEMF.Itmeasuresradiofrequencyanditmeasureselectricfieldsanditmeasuresmagneticfields.AndIthinkformagneticfieldsitcangiveyouareallygoodideaofwhat'sgoingoninyourhouseandwhatthesourcesareandgettingtomovedifferentobjectsawayfromyou.Orrealizingifthere'safridgeontheothersideofabedroomthat'sproducingamagneticfieldorsomethinglikethat.Soit'sreallygoodformagneticfields,it'sgoodforradiofrequencyforfindingthewirelessinsidethehouse.Butthesettingisn'tnearlysensitiveenoughtodetectthestuffthat'scominginfromoutside.Soit'sthewaythatit's,youknow,calibratedissomethingsothatitcandetectlikewirelesstransmissionsfromwirelessandBluetoothanddifferentthingsinsidethehouse.Andthenfortheelectricfields,withthatmeter,it'sprettyaccurate.Butinordertobesuperaccurate,youhaveactuallyhavetotouchthebottomofthemetertothegroundinordertobasicallytogetanaccuratereading.Becauseifyou'reinahigh-voltageenvironmentandyou'retestingthedifferencebetweenwherethemeterisandwhatyou'retestingthenit'snotgonnagiveyoumuchofadifferenceandit'sgoingtoactuallykindagiveyouafalsereading.Soyouknow,I'dsayit'sgoodifyouwannastartexploringthingstostartaddressingsomeofthesethingsthat'stheprobablythebestmetertoget.Ifyouwannameasureyoursmartmeter,it'sprobablynotverygoodyouneedtogetmoreoftheCornetED88TPlus.Thatonehasagraphonitwhereyoucandefinitelyseealotbetterwhat'sgoingonwithyoursmartmeterandhowoftenit'spingingandsendingoutasignal.AndthentheotherthingI'drecommendisabodyvoltagemeter,whichyoucangetinanyhardwarestore,justit'scalledamultimeter.Andyouhaveitsetonthevoltagesettingandthenplugittothegroundofyourwall,followtheinstructionsonhowtodothat,there'ssomevideosonYouTubethatshowthat.Andthenjusttakeyourbodyvoltageinyourbedandseewhat'sgoingonandstartunpluggingthings,experimentwiththat.Andthenifyoucangetallthosedifferentmetersandmeasurethesethings,it'sgonnamakeyourhomeassessment,whenyouhaveaprofessionalcomeintofinalizeandperfectyoursleepingsituation,itsgonnamakeitaloteasierforthemtodothatand,youknow,basicallyrecreatethatancestralhealingenvironmentinyourbedroom.Katie:Gotit.SoIcannotbelievehowfasttimehasflownandIthinkwemightendupwithalotoffollow-upquestionsandImighthaveyouonforaroundtwooneday.Brian:Sure.Katie:ButonequestionIlovetoasktowardstheendthatdoesn'thavetoberelatedtoEMFsoryourareaofexpertise,butI'mcuriousifthereisabookthathashadareallybigimpactonyourlifethatyouwould

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recommendtoothers?Brian:Yeah,soyouknow,I'vereadandlistenedtoalotofbooks.Soit'shardtochoosebecauseI'msointerestedinfindingthetruthinsomanydifferenttopics,youknow,beingadadandahealthpractitioner.AndseemslikeeveryyearIkindagetinterestedinanewfieldbutI'vegotalistoflikefivedifferentbookshere.Andyouknow,onethatIreallylikejustforgenerallifeistheoldclassic,"HowtoWinFriendsandInfluencePeople."Ithinkthat'sreallygoodfor,youknow,justknowinghowtointeractwithpeopleandbeniceandplaynicewiththem.Andyouknow,Iusethatwiththekidsalot,helpsalotwiththem,andhelpswithdoinganythinginlifewithbusinessorfamily,whatever.AnotherbookthatIhighlyrecommendforhealthisonefrommyNTPtrainingcalled"SignsandSymptomsfromaFunctionalPerspective"byDickenWeatherby.Justhasthisquestionnaireinthereandalloftheseanswerstohealthquestionsandsymptomsandthingslikethat.Ithinkthat'slikeareallygoodbooktokindagetanideaforwhat'sgoingonwithyourkids,especiallylikewhentheygiveyoudifferentsymptoms,differentthingsthatthey'redealingwith,andkindafindingtherootcausenutritionallyofgoingonwiththem.AndthenIguessasfaraslikeEMFandeverything,Ithinkthatthere'salotofreallygoodresearchoutthereonEMF.AndoneofthebooksthatIreallyenjoyedreadingwascalled"Overpowered"byDr.MartinBlank.AndhejustkindagoesthroughallthisepidemiologicalevidencethroughouttheyearsofthedamagethatEMFcauses.Andheactuallyprovesbeyondashadowofadoubtthatnon-ionizing,non-thermalradiationdoescauseDNAdamageactually.Katie:Thoseareallgreatrecommendations.Iwillmakesurethosearelinkedintheshownoteandthatpeoplecanfindthemandallthatisthatwellnessmama.fm.Butalso,Brian,Iknowthatpeoplemaybeinterestedinlearningmorefromyouandstayingintouchwithyou.AndlikeIsaid,youweretheoneItrustedtodoanEMFassessmentofourhome.Sowherecanpeoplefindyouonlinetolearnmore?Brian:Yeah,mybusinessnameisShieldedHealingandsoifyougotoshieldedhealing.comyoucanfindmethere.AndthenIalsodoalotofstuffonFacebook.Soifyougotofacebook.com/shieldedhealingI'mthereaswellandyoucanfindmethere.Katie:Perfect.Well,Brian,thankyou,somuchforthetime.LikeIsaid,IthinkEMFsareatopicofgrowingimportanceandsomethingweallneedtobeawareofintoday'sworld.AndIreallyappreciatetheworkyou'redoingtohelpeducateandraiseawarenesssothankyousomuch.Brian:You'rewelcome.Katie:AndthankstoallofyouforlisteningandIhopetoseeyouagainnexttimeon"TheWellnessMama"podcast.

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.