Conversation of Tao and Zen by Leon Basin and Will Slyfield

8/9/2019 Conversation of Tao and Zen by Leon Basin and Will Slyfield

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I am not going to do editing.nor format... In order to show the raw beauty in the most hidden and

abstract conversations.These will lay down the understanding...If read with care, it will provide answers to questions many of

you continue to seek

Life with Tao and Zen

Fight without fightingLearn without learning

Experience with the experienceWorth tryingWorth feelingWorth denying

And worth killin'Ego that binds usDo not erase it

Hold it from overtaking youSimplicity of no words can describe on how to go about it...

Will SlyfieldSo are you saying that any given word (including thought - as you think in your own language..which is

why I don't understand multi-lingual people) makes sense according to you?

Are you saying that there is no definition of anything.. that this paragraph could mean absolutelyanything depending on who reads it and at what time?

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Leon BasinI'm saying what you want me to sayI'm leaving your logic/imagination, to do what you will with these words.

I'm saying it's your right to think what you want.I'm saying a lot and I'm not saying anything at all.

What do you want me to say?What do you need me to say?

What will it do for you if I respond with a nothing?Or add a simple look inside yourself

What will you get out of it?What will you feel?

If I say what you want me to say, will you believe me?Question me?

Continue on your journey to find your own meaning?Isn't experience enough

Aren't any words more than a barricade from answers actual truth?What is truth to you?

What is your reaction to what I have said?

Did I achieve a shift in you?If I did...

What does it do to you?

Or for me for that matter....
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Will Slyfield

I assumed these were rhetorical.. but even still.. I always answer rhetorical questions :)

I dispute rights.. on the grounds that they have become legal entities (where they are existent only as

human ones)

I don't require outside information, that is one of the reasons why I tend to the philosophy surrounding

the idea surrounding whether or not we 'exist'.

Again.. within myself I am far less than my thoughts.. the gap between the physical and theexperienced.. the difference between your house and your home, the difference between art and layers

of paint... Do the inverse.. that's what's inside

I will always question.. Socrates believed that 'dwelling with the gods' consisted of being able to ask

questions all the time!

Experience is not sufficient.. it can be doubted.. it is never directly encountered.. there are alwayssensory requirements.. all sensory information is historical..etc

Words are both a barricade and an essential tool..you may not understand their logic but you need them

Truth is nothing. Its applications aren't either. It's apparent by the nature of the stuff around it.. not it initself

My reaction is.. if anything.. either Stoicism or Platonic.. either way.. a reconsidering of my own ideas..

What it does to you is to make you read my Stoic - Platonic Existentialist ramblings.. perhaps instigatingfurther change.. but nothing will ever record that.. not even further writing or poetry.

Your mind is the greatest archive in all human history. Not the internet. No one can read it is theproblem, not even you


Leon BasinSimple...

Philosophy is ground work for nothingness...

Spirituality as well...After that it's all up to you...


Will SlyfieldSo you construct reality?
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Leon Basin

Do you?22 minutes ago

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Leon BasinNo need to ask me questions, if you haven't figured out the answers within yourself.


Will Slyfield

Surely you must if nothingness is a quantity created by philosophy and spirituality..which I assume youare arguing is a subconscious human event?


Leon BasinFirst you question yourself you will know what to do next...


Will SlyfieldThis are questions of the mind.. I may not require anything else.. but my mind does


Leon BasinNope.

It's how you perceive this reality and how you understand nothingness...My definition to such an experience is uncanny..

Therefore, I tell you to seek into nothingness...Like Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's said... I AM THAT... See More


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So we are Hegel's God?19 minutes ago

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Leon BasinMind is consciousness and what is consciousness?


Leon BasinFirst question is....

Who is Hegel?And who is GOD?

What if Hegel is GOD?Is that absurd?


Will SlyfieldI disagree..consciousness is a seperate school of thought to mind.. completely seperate...

Consciousness is rather dependant on many of the new ideas concerning x-y-z-t coordinate geometry..mind is not


Leon BasinWhat if your mind is your Soul?

Do you question it?What if your mind is the Devil/Satan?

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Leon BasinWhat if Ego is the mind?16 minutes ago

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Hegel was a deistic philosopher.. he argued God in terms of the Absolute.. arguing through a

thesis/antithesis structure...

He stated.. the Absolute is everything (pure being) and the Absolute is nothing (hence the reference)

His conclusion is that the Absolute is becoming...becoming itself - which you could argue is consistent

with many of the ideas surrounding infinite

Are you also now referencing Vivek?16 minutes ago

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Leon BasinWho said?

"Consciousness is a *seperate* (SP)... school of thought to mind.. completely seperate..?"14 minutes ago

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Will SlyfieldIf my mind is the soul? Interesting.. I have considered it.. but I find it too compatible with Ockham's

Razor principle really..

If my mind is evil.. I may not be.. any 'evil' act of course would have to be considered.. andreconsidered...


Leon BasinWhat is your point?


Will SlyfieldI said that.. but I meant according to the natural divisions in the way that even a united study is looked

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Will SlyfieldMy point is that this is all so complex.. perhaps the unities are but ignorance..

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Leon BasinQuestion...

Spilling books of knowledge, does not get you to anywhere... Other then to the other side of the island...

What is the outcome?What is the purpose?

What will happen when you missed the water?10 minutes ago

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Will SlyfieldYou can't miss the water, this is your island. The water obeys your innermost.. even subconscious

thought

The outcomes, purposes.. anything else.. they are your own and should be treated as such10 minutes ago

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Leon BasinPerhaps we let our minds be ignorant...

Hence.. Ego/Devil/Satan question...This or that is as complex as you, perceived these words to be...

And as simple as when you let the words of simplicity/mind/complexity flow through nothing more but

the Air of water...8 minutes ago

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Will SlyfieldPerhaps we do. But we value truth as you said..you argued we had a right to it.

There is more to this... but that amount is contained in the pages of the greatest archive the world hasever seen


Leon BasinBut if you partake on complexities of the mind....

How can you know you landed onto the island or even water?

Will SlyfieldLeon..have you read any Greek Mythology?

The Odyssey.. Odysseus says that his name is 'no one'. Perhaps he is symbolic of his readers, not simplyan intelligent king?
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Leon Basin

Yes...But that is not the point of the following few sentences I have posted.

Will SlyfieldI know. It was a passing thought..something I should have said a while back..just remembered it

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Leon Basin;)I appreciate that!

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