Casey Anthony - Anthony Lazzaro 9-8-08 Transcript

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TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF MR. ANTHONY LAZARO

INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL MELICH

CASE NUMBER 08-69208

SEPTEMBER 8, 2008

YM CORPORAL YURI MELICH

EE CORPORAL WILLIAM ERIC EDWARDS

TL MR. ANTHONY LAZARO

YM: And the date right now is September 8, 2008, and the time right now is 0937

hours. Detective Melich with the Orange County Sheriffs Office. Case number

08-069208. Im with uh, Detective/Corporal Eric Edwards. Also with uh, Tony

Lazaro. Uh, Tony youre aware this is being recorded?

TL: Yes sir.

YM: Any uh, objection to that?

TL: No.

YM: Okay. Uh, Tony we, we talked to you for sometime uhm, before today

(unintelligible) that we had some things to kind of go over and uh, you know we

asked if youd come down. Obviously you came down of your own accord. Uh,

with, with your parents downstairs, explained to them I guess what was going on

and you, you have no problem with him coming up here and answering some

more questions, right?

TL: No sir.

YM: Alright. Uhm, a couple things that we wanted to go over with you is to uh,

obviously we, you just went through a polygraph examination and there were

some questions that came up through that about some statements that you made

to the paleographer, to the FBI, and we wanted to clear up.


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TL: Alright.

YM: One of the statements to that, you made to the FBI was a conversation you had

with Casey about uh, children and then what type of children uh, you would like

for a family and so on.

TL: Right.

YM: And so on.

TL: Right.

YM: Can you tell us a little bit about that?

TL: Yeah (affirmative). Uhm, I remember uh, mentioning, which I always you know, I

always mention about I want to have boys. You know, I want to have boys to

raise up for baseball and sports, whatever. I mean uhm, I have two sisters and I

know. I have two younger sisters.

YM: (Chuckles.)

TL: (Laughing.) I know how it is raising with two younger sisters. And I know I

wouldnt make a, an ugly child, so Id have to worry about that.

YM: Alright. And uhm, when uh, when you brought this up to the FBI, is uhm, what

was the reason that came to mind then and not before? What, what, what

TL: Well after, when they came to me I, they came to me a week beforehand.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).

TL: And it was right at the last week of school. Uhm, when I was done with all my

tests I was able to reflect a lot more. And the night before I actually was able to

reflect a little bit before I went to bed. Uhm, it really didnt even trigger until he

actually asked the question uh, firsthand. Uhm, the first time he actually first

gave a test. And then he, I didnt say anything when he gave the second test.



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TL: And then he asked me after it. Uhm, and he asked me why I didnt say and it just

didnt, and uhm, uh, every single time I even told the guy, I was like, Its every,

look youve asked me questions and things are just rolling through my mind. I,

its, you know, Ive never really been through that kind of, any kind of situation

where I have to remember everything so.

YM: (Chuckling.) Understandable.

TL: (Coughs.)

YM: What about uhm, you also made uh, a comment where you also went a little bit

more into detail about the day that she ran out of gas at the Amscot and uh

TL: Right. I also uh, was able to think about a lot more of like uhm, by going into my

phone records, and going into time of day, and talking to uhm, people and

triggering things that day with my roommates. Uhm, I just was able to figure out,

uh, just like thinking about like what I remember pulling up now and actually

calling her again. Seeing her outside of the car and like actually kind of like

mocking her because it, it was the second time in a row that she ran out of gas.

Uhm, and then pulling into the parking lot and she walked right up to the car with

her bags. And I said, I (unintelligible) what do to. Do I need to look at it? Like,

Do you want me to look at it? And she goes, No, you know, my father will take

care of it. And I was already you know, again, like I had to go back to school

and

YM: Alright.

TL: hand in my things. So I wasnt really too much, I was kind of a little irritated to

go there and pick her up in the first place, but.

YM: And you said that you called her just as youre, youre looking at her and you, you

got on the phone?


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YM: In the morning?

TL: Yeah (affirmative).

YM: Are we still sure of the date? It was the 27th?

TL: Yes.

YM: Okay. It couldnt have been the 26th at night that this happened, or the 26th

morning?

TL: The 26th at night I have, I have class nine to one in the, in the 9:00 p.m. to 1:00

a.m.

YM: You have class from 9:00 p.m. until 1:00 a.m.?

TL: Yeah (affirmative), I have lab. That, well that month I had 9:00 p9:00 a.m.

classes to 9:00 to, 9:00 p9:00, yeah (affirmative) 9:00 a.m. classes to 1:00

p.m., and then that same days I would have 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m.

YM: Oh.

TL: As well as a on-line class that I was doing.

YM: Okay. So

EE: On that day, may I? On that day of 27th did she mention anything to you about

squirrels, a animal on her car, anything?

TL: I cant remember her ever mentioning anything with a

EE: Okay.

TL: animal.

EE: We just need to, we just need to make, make sure.

TL: I remember her, I remember when, when I brought it up to her the 16 th, I brought

it, uh, she brought, shes like, I did remember tell, shes like, shes (unintelligible)

with me that she told me that.

YM: The 16th of?


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TL: July.

YM: Okay.

TL: When I told you that she contacted me?


TL: Right.

EE: I just blocked your thought and Im sorry.

YM: Thought blocker.

EE: Oh, (sighs).

TL: Uhm

EE: That was, that was like interview 101 I just failed.

YM: Is that (inaudible.)

EE: On the 27th? Oh, thats a different day.


EE: I failed again miserably. On that same day, on the, on, on that same day

YM: (Inaudible) that is.

EE: you

YM: Hes had, hes had too much sugar.

EE: Yeah (affirmative). You two were supposed to gone to JC Pennys together too.

Did you leave from Amscot and go toyou dont remember? Im sorry Yuri, go

ahead. Ill shut up.

YM: You picked him up, uh, you picked her up around eleven something. You said

you had to go back to class.

TL: Well no, I didnt go back to class. I had to go drop off my project.

YM: Okay. Okay.


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TL: So I was only at school for like no more than like I dont know, twenty minutes,

nothing.

YM: Alright. So you picked her up, went to your apartment. Was there anyone at the

apartment at the time?

TL: Uhm, I cant remember. Cam could have been there.

YM: Is that your friend?

TL: My roommate, Cameron. Because I remember, I remember just seeing him

beforehand and talking to him. And be like, I got to go pick up Casey again.

She ran out of gas.

YM: Okay. You got to go pick up Casey again? I know Im going to go on a tangent

here. When was the, that was the second time you picked her up, right?

TL: Right. Well thats the second time I, yeah (affirmative), where, where she ran out

of gas.

YM: And

TL: Because thats what she told us.

YM: The first, well I want to ask you about the first time but I dont want to, I also dont

want to break off of this. You went to school. You dropped off your project.

TL: Uh-hum (affirmative).

YM: It took you about an hour, right?

TL: Uh, I

YM: Ballpark?

TL: I guess. I dont know. I had to, I had finished right printing up some and then we,

me and uh, my, the person I was working with had to hand it in.

YM: Okay. And then you came back she was still at the apartment?



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YM: Did she say she had gone anywhere, or do you, do, do you remember her saying

anything about hey, I went out somewhere, or hey, uh, anything like that while

she was at the apartment?

TL: Which I dont know where she would have gone because she didnt have the

vehicle.

YM: Right. 28th, the following day.

TL: Right.

YM: What did, what, what did you guys do? She, shed just run out of gas. Her car is

not there. Shes, shes with you

TL: We could have went

YM: Uhm, do you need some refresher on what uh, Eric has gone over on the 28 th

TL: We could have went

YM: or.

TL: We could have went food shopping. Uh, we could have went and gotten

something maybe for to go for, just to chill out. Because the 28th would be,

looking at a calendar. Let me pull it up. It would be right around the same time

also that I was supposed to be leaving.

YM: The 28th was a Saturday.


EE: You went to Fusion that night is what you originally said, or was it the night

before?

TL: The 27th, the 27th is when I do, is uh, Friits Friday, so it was the 27 th.

EE: Friday you went to Fusion?

TL: Right.

EE: The next day what you said is the 28th, 29th and 30th.


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YM: And you said she was, she ran out of gas somewhere in a subdivision.

TL: Right.

YM: Do you remember where exactly that was?

TL: Id have to see a, if we had a map I (inaudible).

YM: I can get you, I can get you a map. Its not a problem.

TL: Yeah (affirmative), I can.

YM: Uhm

TL: definitely give you a general.

EE: Could you jump in a car and take us there?


EE: Youd be able to take us right where she was parked if needed, if need be?


EE: Well

TL: I, I can, uh, I can go by landmark.

YM: Alright. Well get you, well get you a map to see if we can do it by map. And if

we cant then after your parents leave because I dont want to, I dont want to, to

hold them up.


YM: We could do

TL: Right.

YM: This doesnt have to be done right now.

TL: Thats no problem.

YM: So


EE: Are you that familiar with it? You remember (inaudible)


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TL: Im that familiar. I can, definitely it was by a corner. I can definitely tell by looking

at it.

YM: It was at, it was at the corner off of Chickasaw or was it (inaudible)?

TL: No. It was like a subdivision that was off of Chickasaw.


TL: Like if youre, say youre going from her house back up Chickasaw.


TL: Like it was a left, and then it was, like it almost looked like military housing, like a

little bit more like over a


TL: Or like a, like, like a ghetto kind of area.


TL: Like all the houses looked the same. Very small uhm, houses. And it was like,

and then it was like off, like it was down a road and then it was like to the left a

little bit right (inaudible).

YM: So it was kind of deep in the subdivision? It wasnt like right off of Chickasaw

she ran out of gas and pulled off? It was, she was in there (inaudible).

TL: It was like, I know it was a, it was like a subdivision that I guess that she uses to

make a short cut through.

YM: Okay. Uhm, Ill, Ill get a map and well and if we cant

TL: Sure

YM: figure it out on a map then well, well take a drive sometime later this week. It

might have to be with Eric because Im going to, as I told your dad, I fly out.

TL: Right.

YM: From the 16th, go back to the 16th of June now.


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YM: Well that day that you guys went to Blockbuster.

TL: Right. I do remember that.

EE: I want to ratchet down one thing on the 27th then so we can

YM: Oh, were back on

EE: And well put that to rest. Yup (affirmative).

YM: Alright.

EE: That is in fact, surveillance video from the JC Penny on the 27 th where

TL: Right.

EE: Where grandmas card was used.

TL: Okay.

EE: You had said you thought she used

TL: I do remember, I.

EE: grandmas card about

TL: I.

EE: .nine times or whatever.

TL: I do remember her just buying something for, to wear to Fusion that night.

EE: Okay. What, do you remember what she bought?

TL: I think she bought shoes.

EE: Shoes?

TL: Like heels.

EE: Okay, Im going to list this as what Im going to show you today under Article 1.

Just sign that for me by the X please. So was this right after you picked her up

from the car?

TL: It could have been any time during that day.


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EE: And is this her?


EE: And is that you?

TL: Yes.

EE: Okay. The 27th is out of the way.

YM: The 16th. Uhm

EE: A couple things to lead into that.


EE: I want to go back to the 15th, Fathers Day.

TL: Correct.

EE: Because thats our day where we have the baby on the video.

TL: Right.

EE: Okay? We, looking at the phone records, her phone records, up until she calls

your cell phone.

TL: I was talking to her late at night.

EE: Constantly. You got

TL: Right.

EE: uh, at 2206, which is.

YM: 10:06.

EE: 10:06. You got 619 seconds. 2238, 22257 seconds.


EE: 2245, a hundred and seventy-eight (178) seconds. 2344, 4,814 seconds. So

thats a long call.



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EE: That 15th, and that would be the night after what you determined was probably

the first night she stayed over with you was the 13 th to the 14th.

TL: Right.

EE: Then so it, now you guys are kind of, she stayed over with you and maybe youre

developing and maybe shes interested in more serious stuff here.

TL: Yes.

EE: The 15th, content of those conversations, any idea?

TL: (Sighs.) Those are late night conversations, pillow talk. Uh, uhm.

EE: But shes home, or is she out on the town?

TL: I (inaudible) I dont know.

EE: Well was it like her?

TL: Well it doesnt sound, it didnt sound like, every single time I have talked to her, I

mean I would have been like, Where you at? You know, that would make, that

would stand out to me. Uhm

EE: Did she say anything

TL: She always would

EE: Go ahead.

TL: She would always make it seem like she was outside of her house always when

shed talk on the phone. Or like, like when I talked to her when I was in New

York she was outside of Amys house. So I was never able to like hear anybody

in the background of, of the phone. Ive never heard anybody in the background

of our phone conversations.

EE: We, were aware of something significant occurring maybe on that night between

her and her mom. Some kind of fight or altercation. Did she, would she call you

bitching about anything like that?


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TL: Uh, she probably could have brought up that. That could have been the night

that she brought up about her thing with her mother and her father. Like I told

you that they were having, the reason why she wanted to stay at my place was

because that there was a problem with her father and her mother.

EE: Well tell me about, was that over these phone calls or no?

TL: Uh, it very well could have been. I cant, I mean to remember what

YM: Well you think if, if, if it happened that.

TL: The content.

YM: if it happened that night, she was at her parents house. She was upset. And

you, obviously (inaudible).

TL: I mean I do remember her telling, I mean its very, like she used to talk about it a

lot, about like her mother and her father about how they havent.

YM: She, she say anything about physical confrontation between her mom that night,

like pushing, or shoving, or, or her dad.

TL: Oh, no, no, no.

YM: or anything like that?

TL: No, shes never brought up any kind of physical.

YM: She say any threats that mom made to her about taking the kid away?

TL: Uh, no. She was still, I think we were still uh, she was still talking about how she

was supposed to get the house. Her and Amy were supposed to get the house.


TL: There was a huge argument about how now, like it was always a back and forth

thing that saying that her mom was going to give her the house, and then now

shes taking it away because of some thing. But I never got to hear any of the

arguments that they had.


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TL: Because she would always go outside on the phone.

YM: So you cant specifically remember if thats the night that she started

complaining, or if she said maybe, thats why she spoke to you so long

TL: I just remember

YM: then?

TL: I just remember her bringing it up a lot. So I mean to remember the actual day it

started happening, that very well could have been.

YM: Okay.

TL: I mean because if thats the, if thats also the week that she started staying more,

I do remember her.

EE: That next night she starts staying with you.

TL: Well I do remember her staying that night, that night of the 16th because we went

to Blockbuster and got. Now since you brought up the whole Blockbuster thing

and again

EE: Well let me show you these. Im going to make these Article number two (2).

TL: Okay. We got....

EE: Well, well have to come back

TL: I think we got like two movies.

EE: to the 15th after we get done here.

TL: Sure.

EE: Look at those surveillance videos.

YM: Yeah (affirmative).

EE: Tell me about, tell me about what youre looking at.

TL: Im looking at myself and uhm


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EE: Can you circle yourself?


EE: Okay. And whos with you?

TL: (Sighs.)

EE: Let me get youre a larger one to look at.

TL: Yeah (affirmative), I got a better picture, well it looks like, I mean it would, I dont

think it would be

EE: Alright.

TL: anyone but her. But I dont remember her wearing a hat.

EE: Theyre not necessarily, theyre a little bit grainy.

TL: Oh. It looks like her.

YM: Now did you go to a Blockbuster with anyone else on

EE: (Inaudible.)

YM: the 16th?

TL: I mean Iuh.

EE: Let me see if I got a little bit better picture. Heres what gives it away.

TL: Well thats a good picture. Yeah (affirmative), thats her. I wouldnt be doing

uhm, uh, thats her.

YM: (Laughs.)

TL: Thats Casey.

EE: Well circle that whole thing and write that somewhere in there where I can. So

you guys are hugging. So you

TL: Right.

EE: And you can do that to this one too. Thats a smaller one of that same picture.

And I just need you to sign those pictures.


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TL: Where do, just do it anywhere or

EE: Yeah (affirmative), sign up here

TL: mostly on top?

EE: .in the white where you can see it and then well sign the other, the other ones

here as we go along. Thatll all be, thatll be four colored photographs under

Article number two (2).

TL: Yeah (affirmative), when you brought that uhm, I mean the other day I was

thinking about it. Well, well what happened, what helped me a lot was going

back to my phone records.


TL: Uhm, I saw like and when the last time that she texted me and thats probably

around, see because this is what about, six oclock?

EE: And well get to that in a minute. Just sign these things so I dont forget to get

you signing them and well, well ratchet it down.

TL: Just right here, or

EE: Yeah (affirmative). We will uhm, well go back and articulate all those facts in a

moment. Im trying to say that instead of ratchet down.

YM: Its mechanics.

EE: Its more professional. (Inaudible.) Alright. Alright, let me...

YM: (Inaudible)

EE: real quick

YM: Before we get into too much detail

EE: Okay.


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YM: about, about day-by-day, I had a kind of a general question. From the 16th, up

until the 27th, how many times did she drive, or did you drive her car, you were in

her car? The 16th to the 27th.

TL: I never drove, I actually never drove her car.

YM: Okay.

TL: Uhm.

YM: Blockbuster. Howd you guys get there?

TL: Blockbuthat should be my truck that day. That should

YM: Okay.

TL: be my truck. I mean uhm.

YM: And Fusion, that night, uh, the 20th, howd you guys get there?

TL: Ive always drove to Fusion.

YM: Okay. Does she drive her own car or does she go with you?

TL: Shes always came with me to Fusion. Shes never

YM: Always come with you to Fusion?


YM: Okay.

TL: Shed always go in my car to Fusion. Uhm

YM: Okay.

TL: the only, the one week that uh, I think I didnt have a vehicle I drove my friend

Clints car.

YM: Okay. The 16th to the 27th

TL: But other than that I (inaudible)

YM: now youve never been in, and do you recall being in her car in that time

frame?


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EE: Let me go back to my calendar.

TL: I think so.

YM: Hmm?

TL: I think so. There was a day, I, there was a day that actually uhm, I just actually

had a conversation yesterday with uhm, with one of the promone of my

promoters.


TL: We were, uh, well uh well, it was around the same time that I was also looking for

a house.


TL: Or for an apartment house or whatever. The two dudes that I work with also

looking for a place to stay. So Im pretty sure that there was one day when I was

meeting with them that she tagged along. Uhm, and she met me I think at that

house, at their apartment. And then we left with her car I think and my friends

car. And there was a time when I was in the car and there was a time when I

was in his car.

YM: And when was this in the

TL: (Sighs). I cant

YM: Just because (inaudible)

TL: It had to be uh, it, it is definitely between the 16 th and the 2the, the 20th then.

Im thinking that. Maybe the, Im not trying to give exact dates because I dont, I

dont want to be

YM: No, thats fine. Uh, what, well you said youve been with these two guys. You

guys were all going to look for a house?


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TL: They might, we, we might be able to figure out exactly what day because wed

actually looked at a house, and we talked to a guy, and we, and we were going to

get follow up with this guy.

YM: Do you remember which house, or where this house was?

TL: I could, I could call up uhm, I could call them up and get them because it was

more of their finding the house. And maybe they can get the contact of that guy.

Hopefully they still have it.

YM: Now you, all, all four of you went to see the same house?


YM: Okay. Four

TL: It was just, it was just, it was a three bedroom house just for me and two other

guys. I never planned on, I mean (inaudible) the fact that she put in her

statement that she was looking at a house with me.


TL: We never had any, there was no her

YM: What were

TL: I had never (inaudible)

YM: What were the names of these other two guys?

TL: Uhm, Sean Hickey and Drew Hemen.

YM: Are they friends of yours?

TL: Yeah (affirmative), oh, those are the two guys that I uhm

YM: How do you spell Hemen?

TL: (Sighs.) I dont know how to spell it. I think its like H-E-Y though, and then just

men.

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EE: You got a phone number?

TL: Yup (affirmative).

EE: Can you give them to him while hes writing that down?


YM: Thanks.

TL: UhmDrew. Okay, his number is uh, 954

YM: Which one is this?

TL: Drew. Drew.

YM: 954?

TL: 954, uh, 993-1400.

YM: Got it.

TL: And (inaudible). His number is 954, uh, 214-1187.

YM: Okay. Alright. When was the last time you talked to either one of these guys?

TL: I usually am on the phone very often with these guys.

YM: Oh, okay, so theyre good friends?

TL: Because I work, because I work, yeah (affirmative), theyre good friends and I

work with them.

YM: Oh, okay.

TL: We usually do have, because thats what, its me and them that do the Friday

nights at Fusion.

YM: Now are they part of uh, what is it DBC?

TL: Thats, thats uh, thats their, yeah (affirmative), DBC is theirs.

YM: Its their company. Where do they live?

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TL: when we were hanging out.

YM: ever live in Sawgrass?

TL: Uhm, whats that?

YM: And either one of them ever live in Sawgrass?

TL: No, they were

YM: Did you, any of the guys with DBC that lived in uh, Arden Villas, uh, that uh, lived

in Sawgrass?

TL: No. The only two, the only two people that I knew that were, that we had working

with us were uhm, I know where my DJs live.


TL: Uhm, and my MCs, uh, and the promoters. I never knew


TL: the, where the uh, where my bouncers lived.

YM: Okay. Who of this

TL: They were friends, theyre, thats, its their friends that they, that they have as

bouncers.

YM: Who from the DBC lived in Sawgrass that you know of?

TL: I dont know anybody that lived in Sawgrass?

YM: You know where Sawgrass Apartments are though, right?

TL: No.

YM: Uh, Conway and Michigan. No?

TL: No.

YM: Alright. Eric? Im going to ahead and pull a map.

EE: Okay. Uhm

YM: If you got a question.


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EE: Im going to ratchet down this uh, (inaudible).

YM: Ill be back.

EE: So the 15th, now seeing the Blockbuster

TL: Right.

EE: Which was the 16th.

TL: Well wait. When you uh, when you mentioned it earlier I went to my phone

records to try and figure out, uh, get, get like a timeframe of

EE: Any, does that jar anything from the night before when you were talking? Did

she.no? You just knew she was coming over the next day to hang out?

TL: I, you know what? We probably didnt even make plans until that day to hang

out.

EE: Okay. Heres what Ill go over then. I guess well, the, so the 15th you guys didnt

go out? That, that would be a Sunday night. Monday.

TL: Right.

EE: Monday morning, the 16th. Did you have school Monday?

TL: Uhm, this is June? No.

EE: Okay. Heres what happens Monday, the 16th.

TL: Right.

EE: On her phone on the 16th

TL: It was later in the day.

EE: Well, at three oclock in the morning on the, that night of.

TL: Right.

EE: the 15th, the end of the 16th, at three oclock in the morning she calls you for

862 seconds. Thats another call.

TL: Right.


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EE: Do you remember the content of that? Because I mean thats a pretty, if

someone calls me at three oclock in the morning Im going to remember it.

TL: Uhm, Ive done that mulmultiple times.

EE: With her?

TL: Have late night calls. Well with any, with girls period.

EE: Any late night calls like that where she was upset about anything, or was it all just

lovey-dovey stuff?

TL: Just lovey-dovey stuff.

EE: Okay, no, no sense of urgency stuff at three oclock in the morning of the 16 th?

TL: No.

EE: Okay. Now the next time she called you and actually gets a hold of you

TL: Its later that morning.

EE: Right.

TL: One oclock. Was there a call later that morning?

EE: Yeah (affirmative), 1,115 seconds at 1147.

TL: Thats because I was just looking at last night. Yup (affirmative).

EE: Ten minutes to twelve.

TL: Right.

EE: What was talked about at ten minutes to twelve, remember?

TL: (Sighs.)

EE: No? Okay. Again at one oclock.


EE: For 8uh, 829 seconds. Calls you again. No, no recollection?

TL: (No verbal response.)


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EE: She slides one in there with Amy at 0144; a lengthy one. Jesse Grund at 0252; a

lengthy one.


EE: You get a call, she calls you at 0418


EE: with no connection. And then she gets a hold of you at 0419 with 58 seconds.

Like you guys talked for like a minute, or she must have left you a message.

TL: Okay.

EE: Did she leave you a message on, no, no recollection? Okay. Were just, Im

trying to be methodical man

TL: Right.

EE: and go through everything.

TL: Right. No, yeah (affirmative), no definitely. Go ahead.

EE: Now

TL: Did you guys pull up text messages too? Because I remember seeing after

calling shell also send me text messages. But I couldnt, like uh, thats when I

was trying to bring up the fact

EE: Uh-hum (affirmative).

TL: that I wanted to check out the text messages. But I cant, you cant pull up

what they said.

YM: You (inaudible).

EE: Im going to show you a picture she posted on her photo bucket on the 16 th. Do

you recognize that?

TL: Yeah (affirmative). Thats actually uhm, a, a pre-photo. Not.

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TL: actually a photo of a night. Thats like a, thats of the club when.

EE: Well which club?

TL: by the owner. Fusion.

EE: That is Fusion?


EE: Can you write that on there for me then, inside of Fusion?


EE: Why would she have this posted on her photo bucket?

TL: Because she wanted to be a part of the uh.

EE: Just sign it.

TL: Yeah (affirmative). She wanted to think that she was a part of uh, DBC and

helping out. And.

EE: Like a promoter?

TL: Yeah (affirmative). But she, so she tried pro.well she would as a, I guess as

my girlfriend, would help me promote for what I did.

EE: Hmm.

TL: Which Im not going to complain about that, whatever. Uhm, yeah (affirmative),

those pictures, uhm, theres like a bunch of pictures of uh, Fusion that are just

like of like the furniture and stuff like that. Thats a, those are old pictures of the

owner took to have of his, of his place. Uhm, and we have those just to, just to

show off how nice the place is.

EE: Okay, when George Duke came over there and met you after, remember when

you, you gave him that uh, those handwritten notes. The direction sheet you

called me and told me about and I had George get them from you? You found

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EE: Okay.

TL: A little before that though.

EE: Did she meet you at your apartment

TL: Yeah (affirmative), shes

EE: and then you rode over? Howd that go down?

TL: Shes, I have never met her except for those two times picking her up.

EE: So on this day

TL: She would always come to my apartment first.

EE: She drove to your apartment first? And then you guys drive down there in her

car or in the Jeep?

TL: Should be in my car.

EE: Well try to remember for me.

TL: Uhm, I wish they had outside surveillance. Uh, I dont ever remember driving to

Blockbuster in her car.

EE: No?

TL: Ever.

EE: Most likely in your truck then?

TL: Right.

EE: Was the baby with her?

TL: No.

EE: You know for certain

TL: Yes.

EE: the date that you rented Untraceable.

TL: Right.

EE: the baby was not with her?


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TL: No. That was for sure.

EE: What was her demeanor? How did she act? Anything odd now looking back it

that stands out to you?

TL: I mean it was just, if I can remember, I cant remember really so much. But I can

remember more of the fact of just uh, just being the normal, close girlfriend that

she was. I mean

EE: So she wasnt panicky, sweaty? Didnt strike you odd? She was a normal girl?

TL: I never, she was never like that during the day.

EE: You said that she would wake up at night (inaudible).

TL: One time, a couple times that I had her, she had nightmares and she had these

sweats, but I cant remember exactly what days those were.

EE: Now you guys went right back to your apartment?

TL: Correct.

EE: Who was at the apartment at that time?

TL: Uh, Nathan.

EE: Nathan?


EE: Did you give me Nathans number already?

TL: Uhm, no I didnt. Ill give it to you. I might have actually, but if you dont so

EE: So that would.

TL: no big deal.

EE: The three of you watched movies together?


EE: And whats Nathans last name?

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YM: Lezniewicz.

TL: Lezniewicz. He was in the room but he had his headphones on playing the guitar

(inaudible).

EE: But he saw you two together?

TL: Yes. Yes.

EE: Well, well need to call him.

TL: 772-713-5882. Yeah (affirmative).

EE: Okay.

TL: If you just bring up, just bring up the movie Jumper, Untraceable and hell

remember that.

EE: Jumper and Untraceable?

TL: Right.

EE: Did she go out to the car often during that? Did it, do you remember anything

about.

TL: The only, like I said, when she would go use her phone shed go outside. So I

dont have no idea if she went to her car.

EE: That night though in particular do you remember? No?

TL: She did it, she did it often where she said she would talk to her mother. Like

shed always be like, Oh, my moms calling me, and shed have a specific ring

so it sounded like it was always her mom.

EE: Okay, what timed yall go to bed that night do you think? Because you got the

movies about eight oclock-ish?

TL: Right.

EE: You got home

TL: We watched both of them.


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EE: You watched both of them?

TL: So its going to be a little bit, its probably going to be after midnight. I dont, I

mean I normally never went to bed until after midnight. It was probably later. So

its probably like one, one-ish probably. Like dont hold me to that but it was

definitely after the lengths of two movies.

EE: What did she bring to your apartment that night clothing-wise?

TL: Just probably something to sleep in.

EE: So she didnt like show up with a ruck sack and a, that big bag that her brother

ended up coming? That wasnt the night she brought that?

TL: No. I dont think she brought, she didnt have that until I think from, Im pretty

sure until the 27th. Thats when she had stuff.

EE: Okay. So she

TL: Thats what made me think that when that was the time I guess when she started

staying

EE: When she set up camp?

TL: Just yeah (affirmative), well thats.

EE: So before that she was just driving back and forth to Mom and Dads getting

fresh clothes?

TL: I wouldnt, uh, there would be times where I, Im, thats why I was saying that it

was like, its kind of hard to remember if she, she might have been there the

nights that I was, I was home. But staying there during the day I dont know. I

know for a fact that when I came back, and right before I, I left she was there

during the days at my house. Like after that then she was like staying there. I

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EE: That night did she wake up, do you remember, after that movie? Is that one of

the nights of the cold sweat night?

TL: (Coughs.) I cant remember.

EE: Okay. Let me go back. Article number three (3) is going to be that picture she

posted in photo bucket of the inside of Fusion.

TL: Right.

EE: Let me show you Article number four (4).

TL: Thats one of the nights at Fusion.

EE: Well, thats at Fusion?

TL: Right.

EE: Go ahead and write that in there for me and then sign it please. Tell me about

that picture.

TL: Alright. One of the Friday nights.

EE: One of the Friday nights?


EE: She posted this in photo bucket on the 17 th, which would be that Tuesday.

TL: So it had to be the, the Friday before.

EE: So this would have been the night at the Hip Hop Showcase?


EE: On the 13th?


EE: Just write that then. Hip Hop Showcase. Is that how you were dressed for Hip

Hop Showcase? Do you remember?

TL: It was either that shirt or.

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TL: two other shirts that I had.

EE: style type...

TL: Its an 80s style, you know.

EE: Yeah (affirmative).

YM: (Chuckles.) You could loan him your tie for the next one.

EE: Thats right. Get up off my tie. Oh, you know.

YM: (Laughs.) How long have you known Nathan?

TL: How long have I known Nathan?


TL: Uh, since I went, he, I, I started going to school with him.

YM: Okay. Has he been to Fusion with you guys? Party with you guys?


YM: Has he met Casey and partied with her as well?


YM: Okay. The uhm, I want to go on a tangent here if its okay at the point

EE: Yup (affirmative).

YM: Eric.

EE: Yup (affirmative). Ill just keep my thoughts.

YM: (Unintelligible) uh, it, its out in the news, but its not really hard to, to, or its not

something I dont want to tell you or Ill, Ill, Ill tell you, there was, there was a

trash bag found in her car the night that it was actually (inaudible). I that trash

bag was a receipt. And that receipt was, (inaudible), and that receipt was for, Im

showing you here, Fusion Ultra Lounge. But this is back in May. And theres a

receipt belonging to Nathan, which is curious to me because we were trying to

talk to Nathan after we found this receipt. Now that you mention that hes a


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friend of yours it kind of makes sense as to why this would be in the garbage bag

inside the car.

TL: Okay.

YM: Because hes tied in. With that being said, do you have any idea where this

garbage bag that was in the car may have come from? Because if, if it, it, I

would find it hard to believe that she would have Nathans receipt.

TL: Right.

YM: I would find that difficult to believe that she was at her parents house and Nathan

threw it in her parents garbage. So

TL: No.

YM: I dont think its going to be her parents garbage.

TL: She probably got it from garbage. She probably threw it in a garbage bag and

then put it, or she was cleaning up. Because she was cleaning up my apartment

all the time.

YM: Okay. Im just curious why would she put a garbage bag in the car as opposed

to just taking it to a dumpster? And she was coming from her parents house. So

that would mean that she would have had to put the garbage back from you

apartment in her car, drive to her parents house with the garbage bag in the car

and then run out of gas as shes driving back up north. And I was just curious,

do you, do you, if that any of this rings a bell to you. If you, you know was she

normally the one that took your garbage out? I mean (inaudible).

TL: Uh, we all did. Me, Cam, Nate. Uhm, she...


TL: She would clean up. I mean but I never actually saw her take garbage out. She

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TL: at my place is all the way in the front.


TL: So I put my stuff in the back, in trunk to bring it to the front.

EE: Let me know when I can jump back in.

YM: Jump.

EE: Okay. Number, my Article number five (5). So the 16th you watched movies, the

two movies? You probably go to bed late?

TL: Right.

EE: Thats the day that we had talked, you and I had talked? Thats, the 17th is a

Tuesday. You, you missed school that day.

TL: Right, I did.

EE: Because you guys hung out together that day?


EE: What time did yall get up?

TL: It had to be a late morning if she was there.

EE: Can you, do you remember anything about that day? I mean

TL: Just relaxing probably and then just probably me, if, just doing my homework

because I have homework to do every day

EE: (Inaudible.)

TL: for my on-line class.

EE: Youre missing school now. So now you got even more homework well to be

worried about.

TL: Well yeah (affirmative).

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TL: No. Which I can go again back into the phone records and see what I was, who I

was talking to that day, and e-mails maybe to find out what I was doing more.

EE: (Inaudible.) She get up early and go outside? You talked on the phone that you

remember? Anything that

TL: Shes done that a couple times. Numerous amount of times where shes been

on the phone. Well if she got a phone call Im not going to wake up. But I dont,

Im pretty sure that day.


TL: that that didnt happen.

EE: That she didnt go outside?

TL: No. Because I remember not going to school for a reason.

EE: Uhm.

TL: And staying in bed.

EE: Okay. So it was the morning of uh.


EE: Consensual understanding?

TL: Thats why I know I didnt. Thats what it is.

EE: Sex in the morning?


EE: So no leaving the room to make phone calls or visit the car or anything like that?

TL: (No verbal response.)

EE: Can you describe for me the 16th through the 17th? What clothing did she show

up wearing on the 16th after looking at that video (inaudible)?

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EE: And what clothes when she left the house she may have been wearing if you can

remember. If you cant, thats fine.

TL: No, I cant remember.

EE: You cant remember?

TL: Oh, I have a question. Uhm

EE: You cant ask any questions.

TL: Why cant I ask questions?

EE: No, go ahead.

TL: Alright.

YM: (Laughs.)

EE: Because you picked on my tie.

TL: Uh.

EE: Go ahead.

TL: Uhm, I was, when I was just like (sighs), it scared me when I saw this police

photo, the photo of the, of the, of the, of her clothes, of the clothes that they,

supposedly she has.


TL: On Fox News. That black dress.


TL: That looks familiar that black dress.

YM: Familiar how? I mean

TL: That either she showed me that she was going to like wear that dress one night

and never did. The one, Im talking about the one with the silver, the silver things

on the side.

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TL: Do you know what Im talking about?


TL: That photos that released? Uhm, now I couldnt see that pink back pack, but do

you have a better photo of that pink back pack?

YM: A pink back pack. Whose pink back pack?

TL: There was a picture uh, that I saw on Fox News. It was like a picture of like a

black dress with this silver thing, and a pink back pack.

YM: Uhm

TL: In the woods. Some, that somebody said they found.

YM: Oh. Oh, okay. So its a, its a picture of something that was found, not

something that she was

TL: No.

YM: (inaudible).

EE: Civilians wound up finding that bunch of stuff over by Amscot I think is the story

youre talking about.

YM: Thats, thats a black dress Im, thats the only black dress Im

TL: No.

YM: Okay.

TL: No, I mean I know that black dress.

YM: Okay.

TL: But Im just (inaudible), but

EE: Thats the only thing black that Ive got her video on. No?

TL: No. Im talking about like its like a shiny, the one that I saw, I mean it could be

just me and my mind playing tricks on me, looking at it on the news.

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TL: But.

YM: thats all the same. Who is that by the way? Do you know who that is?

TL: Thats Mike Wood.

YM: Okay.

TL: A kid I go to school, most of the kids are all, all kids I know that I go to school

with. I never, like I said, like she never really, when we started hanging out like

she didnt hang out, we didnt really hang out with any of her friends.


TL: She would hang around with my friends.

YM: Alright.

EE: The uh

TL: When, when I was with her she was with, I mean.

EE: That morning, did you guys have, on the 17th, when you got done in the morning,

did you go get something to eat? Did you just stay there and did homework and

she left, or you cant remember?

TL: I cant, I dont remember.

EE: Wednesday is, did she come back that night and stay over? Because

TL: Uh

EE: she stayed somewhere from that point on.

TL: I cant remember if she was there that night or not. Id have to look, uh, its, its

better if I go in my phone records. Because if Im talking to her at night then I

know shes not at my place. If Im not talking to her then shes probably, she

could very well could be to my place.

EE: Fair enough. And we may get you to print those down and go through and make

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TL: Oh, yeah (affirmative).

EE: In your free time if youd do that. And you say well she must have been here this

time.

TL: Actually I might have them saved in

EE: Well dont

TL: drafts.

EE: dont, because we, were trying to remember your parents are down there.

TL: Oh, okay.

EE: Well I can over that again.

YM: I could probably

EE: The, the 18th being the Wednesday

TL: Right.

EE: You would have had to go back to school.

TL: Right.

EE: Right? So you would have been at school all day?

TL: Well, no. The, those days, that, that, that month I had class Tuesday, Thursday,

Saturday.

EE: Okay. So you were off the 18th?

TL: Yeah (affirmative), I have off Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

EE: Okay, let me ask you this then.

TL: Sure.

EE: You had said that youd gone down to the house several times with her that you

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TL: Right.

EE: pictures of?

TL: I didnt, I, uh, she drove.

EE: Okay.

YM: Were her parents home at the time?

TL: No. Uh, thats, I never met her parents until, I never met her mom until the 15th of

July.

YM: Okay.

TL: I was supposed to meet her, but it never fell through, it never, it never happened.

YM: You got a break some questions so I can show him some pictures real quick?

Just give me.


YM: real quick?

EE: Yeah (affirmative). I just want to

TL: Yes sir.

EE: I just want to, and what Im trying to ratchet down here is you, we have this

shovel incident that keeps coming up. And I want to make sure that that 18th that

day wasnt one of those days. Do you remember her ever borrowing a shovel

from a neighbor while you were with her?

TL: No.

EE: Okay, I just to have to ask that and rule that out.

YM: Okay.

TL: Never went, never went to a neighbors house. Never

EE: You were only there to get clothes, or whatever the case may be? Okay.

YM: Im going to show you a series of photos.


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TL: Sure.

YM: Basically some from garthis is a garbage bag, alright?


YM: I want you to kind of go through, see if any of this rings a bell. Okay, if it just

looks familiar. Everything that you would normally have in your house.

Something thats unique. Uhm

TL: Pizza box.

YM: Oh, we all eat pizza, so that doesnt, its not really.

TL: A lot of the stuff does look familiar.

YM: Alright. Where do you normally order your pizza from?

TL: Broadway, Pizza Rellas.

YM: Uh, this.

TL: Cherry Cokes. Velveeta cheese. It looks like my roommates uh, usually gets

uhm, that kind of uh, deli meat.

YM: Well, who, who chews?

TL: Nate.

YM: Nate does?


YM: Alright. What about uh, smoking? What kind of smokes you, would you, you

dont smoke, right?

TL: I do. I smoke Camel Lights.

YM: Alright. So

TL: At the time I wasnt smoking. This event made me start smoking again.

YM: Okay, who smokes the uh, who smokes Marlboro?

TL: That could have been just one of my roommates friends.


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YM: Alright.

TL: My roommates friends are always over, were always, is like over every single

day.

YM: Okay.

TL: Every night.

YM: What kind of beer do you guys normally drink? Bud? Bud Light? Miller? MGD?

TL: They, I mean its uh, it, it depends on

YM: Whats cheapest? What?

TL: (Chuckles.)

YM: (Chuckles.)

TL: Its whatever my, like I said, my, my roommates, my roommate and my, his

friends, they hang out every night.


TL: And theyre the one, and like he has different people that bring over.

YM: What about Crystal Light? Is that something you guys use?

TL: My roommate drinks that.

YM: Oh, okay.

TL: Well Cam may just drink that. Arm and Hammer is..

YM: Alright.

TL: something that I use.

YM: Oh, yeah (affirmative)? Whats that, fast acting cleaner. Like a

TL: Well

YM: sneaker cleaner or something like that. Is that something you guys would use?

TL: Uhm

YM: (Inaudible.)


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TL: that was uh, something that Clint, Clint had. He left it at my house. I didnt

know that that was empty though.

YM: Now this is, its all in a trash bag, whether its empty or not, but something you

recognize? Maybe, maybe.


YM: maybe not? Okay.

TL: I do.

YM: Uh, Ill go back a little bit. Is that the type of trash bag that you guys normally use

in the house? Does that look familiar? Because I know sometimes


YM: .the drawstrings, some people have drawstrings, dont have drawstrings.

So.


YM: Alright. Uh, a pizza box. Uh, okay and Cherry Coke. Cherry Coke is something

you guys normally drink, or


YM: is in the house? Stouffers?


YM: And I dont know the stuff is unique, but you know

TL: And it looks

YM: (inaudible).

TL: It looks like my trash.

YM: Okay. Because I know I dont drink Dr. Pepper, so nobody would pull a Dr.

Pepper can from my trash. But uh, if theres something here youre going oh, no,

absolutely not. No, we dont, you know, no one


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YM: in the house drinks Milwaukee (inaudible).

TL: Honestly there could be, there could be a numerous amount of drinks.

Numerous amount of

YM: Okay.

TL: just food because I said, like I said, my roommates friends are over all the

time.

YM: Right.

TL: It looks like drier sheets.

YM: Yeah (affirmative). Uh.

TL: Its a dirty garbage bag.

YM: Yeah (affirmative). Yeah (affirmative), it sat there for, well this is the receipt from

Nathan. Again there, theres a date on there, so May 24th.


YM: So that would explain why Nathans receipt would be in the bag, uh, probably a

bag of.

TL: Right.

YM: garbage from your apartment. Alright. Fusion.

TL: I dont know why she would have my garbage though.

YM: Thats kind of what leads me to go through this is why, why she would have your

garbage period. Or why she would have your garbage in the trunk of the car.

Uhm

TL: I would

YM: do you think that, if I, if I, when I lived in an apartment complex Id put the

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TL: Right.

YM: and Id drive it to the dumpster and I throw it out because I dont want that stuff

in my car. Thats just me.

TL: Thats what, thats me too. I mean, I mean I put, I mean I put it in my, its a truck

and I leave my, not the tailgate open, but the lift gate.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative). Yeah (affirmative).

TL: Thats how I bring it. And I bring it to the trathe, the trash. But I actually, I

started taking my garbage and bringing it to the, the fence and throwing it over

the fence to the other dumpster.

YM: Yeah (affirmative), its close.

TL: Because, because its closer.

YM: Okay. Alright. Oh, I appreciate it.

EE: The uh, Friday the 20th you said that it was a hot body contest at Fusion.

TL: Right.

EE: Im going to make that number six (6) in my notes.


EE: Now, not body contest at Fusion. She starts texting and sending estuff, like

almost like shes promoting to all of her old friends to try to fill the club up for you

is what it looks like (inaudible).

TL: I guess yeah (affirmative), thats what she (inaudible).

EE: Is that what she was trying to be, an event planner?

TL: She was, yeah (affirmative), I guess trying to be an event planner.

EE: Is that Friday of the hot body contest do you remember if thats the day she ran

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TL: I remember calling you and telling you a date. Whenever uh, whenever I called

you and told you that I had a date it was because it was, uh, my friend got in a

car accident. And I remember after doing that getting a call

EE: That same day?

TL: Yeah (affirmative). I was like, I remember I have a, because he, because I

remember, well it jogged my memory looking at the phone records again that I

got a call about mid-day, or a little bit after mid-day if I can, Im not going to give

you a time because I dont, Id have to look back at it, but getting a call about how

he got in a car accident. So I called him up. And he said it was uh, whatever day

it was when I, when I called you up and told you that.

EE: Whats that friends name that had that accident that day?

TL: Shawn Jarrett.

EE: Well do you have his phone number?


YM: Jarrod?

TL: Jarrett, like uh, not, its with a T, not a D. Uhm, and S-H-W-AS-H-A-W-N.

YM: And what day was this accident?

TL: Like I said, I dont know off the top of my head. But I remember do, that uh,

giving, calling him up and giving him.

EE: I remember.

TL: a date.

EE: you calling with that content. I just need to find it.

TL: 914-374-9528.

YM: Alright.


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TL: Because I remember him giving me a call when I was driving after doing this

with, well you know, picking her up, you know, and her getting her car, and her

following me. I remember specifically him calling me saying, you know, asking if

I could come get him because he lives over, all the way over by Rollins.

EE: Can you call him real quick and see if he remembers what date that was that


EE: (inaudible).

TL: I can do that.

EE: Instead of me looking around through my notes.

TL: Its 1028. Well hopefully hes awake. (Sound of cellular phone buttons being

depressed.) If not there was other people that were in the car I can call, so.

YM: What was the name of that guy? Eric? Northwest

TL: (Speaking on cellular phone to who is assumed to be Mr. Shawn Jarrett.) What

uh, Source? Uhm, yo, what was again the day that you got into that accident?

YM: (Inaudible.)

EE: Sorry.

TL: Yeah (affirmative), you got the card? Alright, cool.

YM: (Inaudible.)

EE: Oh.

YM: (Inaudible.)


YM: (Inaudible.)

TL: Okay. Alright. Alright, that makes sense. Alright. Yeah (affirmative), Im

(inaudible). Where you guys at? Oh, youre at school? Youre in school right

now? Oh, you started the business program early? Yeah (affirmative), I didnt


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know that. Im starting at the end of the month. Alright, well I just wanted to, I

just wanted to know that. Ill give you a call a little bit later. Alright. Peace. (Mr.

Lazaro ends the cellular phone call to who is assumed to be Mr. Shawn Jarrett

and resumes speaking with Detective Corporals Edwards and Melich.) He says

on the card it was the 23rd.

YM: 23rd.

EE: The 23rd?


EE: Well, thats the day of the gas can incident. That was the first time you went to

get her?


EE: So and the second time, okay.

TL: Now it makes sense because it was around the same time. So thats why I would

probably mock her about picking her up the second time.

EE: Alright, let me run, let me run back then to the, I just want to make sure that

wasnt the 20th.

TL: Okay.

EE: Anything stand out in your mind? She stay overnight that night of the hot body?


EE: So

TL: Stayed over that night.

EE: You say oh, yeah (affirmative). How do, how do we know that?

TL: Because I remember her being, the reason why she even did the hot body was

because she got a little drunk that night, and she also ran my bar, oh, she ran,

because I alI usually go in there, Ill usually go there early, like seven, eight


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oclock, order some food, make sure everybody gets there on time, like I was

working, and have my tab opened, you know? Never actually run, you know

never ever actually have a tab. I made the mistake of saying you could buy a

couple drinks on my tab. Well, because, because (inaudible) I get my money for

that night and I got to use it to close the tab. So, she spent like sixty dollars on

my tab that night. Thats how I, I can remember stuff like that.

YM: (Laughs.)

TL: Uh, because I remember scoldI was getting, I got pissed about that one.

EE: Is that the night shes in the blue dress dancing with a girl in shorts there?


YM: Thats 20th, right? Thats


YM: Yeah (affirmative), thats 20th.

EE: Okay.

YM: Alright.

EE: So she gets a little tipsy that night


EE: and runs up sixty bucks on your tab, and she goes home with you that night?

TL: I do also remember, and we can talk about that, I remember conversations just, I

just remembered conversations, just bringing that up to tell you the truth. Just

talking about

EE: What conversations?

TL: How she wants to, it was like how she said that she was going to, like really

drunk conversations like how shes going to be a singer. How she could be a

singer. Or the, (inaudible), but she said she was going to, shes like, You dont


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even know I can sing. I can sing so good. And Im like, What are you talking

about? It was more of just like me trying to get her to go to sleep and shut her

up

EE: Alright.

TL: and her just babbling. Yeah (affirmative).

YM: This is after you guys left?

TL: Yeah (affirmative), well after

YM: Alright.

TL: I brought her back to the uhm, we came back to my place and she was drunk.

Just.

EE: How would she have had aspirations to be

TL: I have no idea if it was aspirations. It was just a drunken, randomous (sic) talk.

EE: Go ahead.

YM: Well along that note, every time that you guys, the, those times that she went to

Fusion and worked at Fusion, how drunk would she get? Would she get

TL: She never worked. She was just, she.

YM: Well what Im saying is uh, she managed the shooter girls. And so.


YM: When she was at Fusion


YM: how drunk would she get? Is it like

TL: That was the night, that was the only night that she got, she got drunk really.

YM: Thats the only.

TL: Other than that she was, she was, but I mean she had a couple beers

YM: Alright. Uhm


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TL: that I saw. Like I said, I mean, I actually wouldnt be with her for more than like

a minute or two because I was running around, making sure that uhm, there was

no fights, no one passing out at the bar. I kind of do, what I do is I get, I promote

also, but I brought in, I had this spot originally so I brought in the promoters. I

brought in the, the uhm, the DJs.


TL: and the entertainment. So I basically just make sure that everyone would be

yup , hes okay; the shot girls are doing their job; the bartenders are not getting

harassed; and just down lines of what a manager would do at the night, at a, at a

night club. So I was just running around. I m usually running around the whole

time.

EE: Busy?

TL: Yeah (affirmative), busy. So

EE: Not drinking? Not partying? Youre busy?

TL: I, no, never drinking at those places.

YM: Okay. Does that look familiar as one of the, one of the guys that maybe showed

up at Fusion or, or partied there? A friend of hers, Ryan?

TL: I mean Ive seen a ton of faces.

YM: Offhand though does that ring a bell? Does, does, you, does it kind of jump out

at you at all for anything?

TL: Not necessarily, no.

YM: Alright.

EE: Alright, that weekend of the 21st and the 22nd, after the hot body contest, that

morning of the 21st, she probably sleeps in or what?

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EE: Oh, nothing, nnothing that really you could remember from that weekend?

TL: Like I said, I just remember her being really drunk and a stupid conversation

about her being a singer and that was about it.

EE: Okay. The 23rd. I know we talked about this over the phone. Now you can

remember actually driving her down to her, or she chow, tell me about that

incident. She calls you over the phone and says I ran out of gas. I need

TL: Right.

EE: . a ride?

TL: Right.

EE: What time of day was that?

TL: It had, I think its afternoon.

EE: (Inaudible.)

TL: That makes sense. Uhm, I definitely was home. Uh, she gave me a call and she

told me to head, you know, Drive like youre just going to my place. Uh,

probably gave me directions because I dont really remember. She was just

telling me to go down Chickasaw. So I took, first I went down Chickasaw and I

saw her walking towards her house, on Chickasaw.

YM: A good, a good time to bring up a map maybe?


YM: Alright. Heres Curry Ford. Ill just give you a bearing.

TL: Right.

YM: Curry Ford. Heres Chickasaw heading south.

TL: Right.


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YM: And around that corner theres two churches over here. The high school is over

here. Im sorry, the middle school is over here. This is where she lives. This is

Suburban Drive.

TL: It should be the sub, the sub, the uhm, anyway the subdivisions in this area.

YM: Okay. Well if you come out, okay, you go to get the gas cans

TL: Well this is, is this an old map? Because I know theres a subdivision that, that

links to a la, a, a bigger road. Like a.

YM: No, this.

TL: a main road.

YM: this, this links to Goldenrod right up here.

TL: Okay.

YM: And theres a traffic light uh, wheres the traffic light.

TL: Its something that l.

YM: Theres a traffic light

TL: Okay.

YM: right around here.

TL: Well its something, its something that, it could be actually this one because I

know its, its a thing that she uses as a short, I remember her saying oh, we

used it as a shortcut. So it was definitely something that linked to another main

road.

YM: Okay. Do you remember if it was at the traffic light? Because theres a traffic

light right there if you head back north on Chickasaw.

TL: Is it just uhm

YM: And I believe the traffic lights going to be here. Let me go ahead and zoom in in

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TL: There should be houses coming up soon. Turn into somewhere.

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative). Alright, heading down Cascade, this is the first right right

over here.

TL: (Coughs.)

YM: And the road looks like it bends a little bit to the right, see?

TL: Right.

YM: Going down that way?

TL: That looks familiar. Might have made a left though.

YM: Alright. Lets see what road that is. Thats Cascade Oaks Drive. Lets go left

and see what happens.

TL: It should be a short road. There should be somewhere to turn. (Inaudible) the

pictures around there real quick. Uhmit was, there was, I remember going

down the road and then like passing through like a very short side street to

another longer road.

YM: Theres a short side street.

TL: Okay.

YM: Sumpter Court and uh, and this look, it looks like a bend, so. Do you remember

it bending?

TL: I remember there was a shorthere was like a side street. Heres like, heres

the side street and it would kind of (inaudible).

YM: Well lets, lets, lets do this. Here you go. Okay, Cascade, you take it to the end

and its Anthony Lane.

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YM: If you make a left, you said it was a left. Theres Eric Court, and its a real short

one. And its like a little dead end. And its also on the way to go out. Because

if

TL: Right.

YM: shes going to use this as a cut through, Goldenrod is right there.

TL: Right.

YM: Shes going to have to turn and go down to turn.

TL: That would be easier to see in person I think.

YM: Thats fine. We can do that. See, the only way out of this subdivision is either

Turin Drive.


YM: or Quail Pond Street.

TL: Right.

YM: Or go onto Goldenrod. So if youre coming down uh

TL: That would

YM: Cascade.

TL: That would mean, that would seem more likely what

YM: Okay.

TL: she would do. But like I said, if we do

YM: We can drive down. Thats fine.

TL: If we do that in person Id probably be able to do it.

EE: Which way was the car facing? Like she was coming from

TL: Alright.

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TL: Towards her house because uh, the way that we, like I said that, it was like a

short like street. And then there was like uhm, you make a left and her car was

heading towards where we came from. So I turned around and I parked in front

of her car.

YM: Did you help put gas in it or howd that work?

TL: Uh, I just held the gas. SheI was going to put the gas tank, like I wanted to put

the gas in the, in the car, but she was Ms., she wanted to put the gas in the car.

Like, like pour the gas in the car.

YM: She wanted to pour the gas in the car?

TL: Yeah (affirmative). So I mean I just, uh, there was one point when she handed

me one of them and I uh, I put it down.


TL: And then I handed her the other one.

EE: So there was two cans?


EE: Alright uh, well are you

TL: I dont think she used.

EE: Go back to

TL: all the gas in the second one.

EE: So you see her walking down the road.

TL: Right. With a backpack on.

EE: Whatd the backpack look like?

TL: A Jansport backpack I think. It looked like a black, uh, black and pink and white

backpack if I can remember.

YM: Is its the one thats been on TV?

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