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No.10April2012

WARREN

REECEON CLOSE

ENCOUNTERS

WITH:

BILL

EVERETT

CARL

BURGOS

STAN

LEE

JOHN

ROMITA

MARIE

SEVERIN

NEAL

ADAMS

GARY

FRIEDRICH

ALAN

UPPERBERG

ROY

THOMAS

AND OTHERS!

PLUS:

GOLDEN

AGE

ARTIST

MIKEPEPPEAND MORE!

WARREN

REECEON CLOSE

ENCOUNTERS

WITH:

BILL

EVERETT

CARL

BURGOS

STAN

LEE

JOHN

ROMITA

MARIE

SEVERIN

NEAL

ADAMS

GARY

FRIEDRICH

ALAN

UPPERBERG

ROY

THOMAS

AND OTHERS!

PLUS:

GOLDEN

AGE

ARTIST

MIKEPEPPEAND MORE!

A 1970s BULLPENNER

TALKS ABOUT

MARVEL COMICS& SOME COMIC BOOK LEGENDS

A 1970s BULLPENNER

TALKS ABOUT

MARVEL COMICS& SOME COMIC BOOK LEGENDS

Roy ThomasMarvel of aComics Fanzine

Roy ThomasMarvel of aComics Fanzine

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Alter EgoTM is published 8 times a year by TwoMorrows, 10407 Bedfordtown Drive, Raleigh, NC 27614, USA. Phone: (919) 449-0344.Roy Thomas, Editor. John Morrow, Publisher. Alter Ego Editorial Offices: 32 Bluebird Trail, St. Matthews, SC 29135, USA.Fax: (803) 826-6501; e-mail: [email protected]. Send subscription funds to TwoMorrows, NOT to the editorial offices.Eight-issue subscriptions: $60 US, $85 Canada, $107 elsewhere. All characters are their respective companies. All material their creators unless otherwise noted. All editorial matter Roy Thomas. Alter Ego is a TM of Roy & Dann Thomas. FCA is a TM

of P.C. Hamerlinck. Printed in Canada. ISSN: 1932-6890FIRST PRINTING.

Vol. 3, No. 108 / April 2012

EditorRoy Thomas

Associate EditorsBill SchellyJim Amash

Design & LayoutJon B. Cooke

Consulting Editor

John MorrowFCA EditorP.C. Hamerlinck

Comic Crypt EditorMichael T. Gilbert

Editorial Honor RollJerry G. Bails (founder)Ronn Foss, Biljo WhiteMike Friedrich

ProofreaderRob Smentek

Cover Artists

Carl Burgos& Bill Everett

Cover ColoristTom Ziuko

With Special Thanks to:

ATLAST!

ALLIN

COLORFOR

$8.95!

This issue is dedicated to the memory of:

Bill Everett& Carl Burgos

ContentsWriter/Editorial: Magnificent Obsession . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2

With The Fathers Of Our Heroes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31970s Marvel Bullpenner Warren Reece talks about legends Bill Everett & Carl Burgosand how he amassed an incomparable collection of early Timelys.

Im Responsible For What Ive Done . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35Part III of Jim Amashs candid conversation with artist Tony Tallaricore Charlton, this time!

Being A Cartoonist Didnt Really Define Him. . . . . . . . . . . . 47

Dewey Cassell talks with Fern Peppe about her husband, Golden/Silver Age inker Mike Peppe.Mr. Monsters Comic Crypt! Charles AtlasMan And Myth! . 57

Michael T. Gilbert on the 97-pound weakling who transformed all the rest of us!

Comic Fandom Archive: Fandoms 50th Birthday Bash, Part I . . . 63Bill Schelly begins his coverage of that 2011 San Diego Comic-Con eventwith a photo festival!

re: [correspondence, comments, & corrections] . . . . . . . . . 69

FCA [Fawcett Collectors Of America]#167 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .73P.C. Hamerlinck proudly presents two of Fawcetts finestMarc Swayze & Roy Ald.

On Our Cover: What do you do when most of the art and story mentioned in an issues featured piece has beenreprinted in hardcover Marvel Masterworks: Golden Age volumes over the past few years? Well, first of all, yourealize that it really hasntcause most of those vintage pages have had to be retouched and fixed up (albeit withincreasing skill and improved results in recent times), 99% of the original art having been blown away forever by theerrant winds of time. Luckily, thanks to collector/historian Robert Wiener, Ye Editor has been in possession for someyears of good photocopies of pristine Photostats of original art for a number of those early Timely pagesincluding theTorch/Namor splash page of Marvel Mystery Comics #17 (March 1941), the first time the mags two stars battled theAxis together rather than pasting each other. Prestoa Carl Burgos & Bill Everett image which has never beforeappeared on a cover! [ 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.]

Above: The first image (out of many) in this issue which is reproduced from color photocopies made fromoriginal comics of late 1939 through the early 1940s: Carl Burgos Human Torch splash panel (plus one)from Marvel Mystery Comics #4 (Feb. 1940), courtesy of Warren Reece. The Torch scripting, too, ispresumed to be by Burgos, at least in the earliest issues. [ 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.]

Glenn AldRoy AldHeidi AmashMichael AmbroseDave ArmstrongRichard ArndtBob Bailey

John BensonDominic BongoLorraine BroertjesSusan BurgosMike BurkeyAaron CaplanNick Caputo

James CassaraDewey CassellShaun ClancyBob Cosgrove

Jose DelboMike Delisa

Jackie Estrada

Justin FairfaxSholly FischShane Foley

Joe FrankStephan FriedtPaul Gambaccini

Janet GilbertKevin Greenlee

Jennifer Hamerlinck

Barbara HarmonHeritage Comics

ArchivesRoger HillDouglas Jones (Gaff)David Karlen [blog]David Anthony Kraft

Alan KupperbergBatton LashLen Leone

Jim LudwigRuss MaherasTimothy MarionBarry PearlFern PeppeMichele PeppeWarren ReeceGene ReedMarc SwayzeTony TallaricoMitch Tart

Jeff TaylorDann ThomasDorothy TuskaAlbert ValGary WatsonGregg WhitmoreRobert WienerBill G. Wilson


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A World Discoveredartooning fandom was a different world when I was a teenager, back in aperiod that was, metaphorically, analogous to what Australian aborigines termthe dream time. In that bygone era, there were few shops where you could

find old comic books (cartoon magazines might be a more accurate term), fewbooks about their history (and little money to buy them), and even fewer opportu-nities to meet the creators of the legendary characters: the fathers of our heroes.

For me, the first of these awesome encounters occurred when I was seventeen andI became aware of the new phenomenon of comics conventions. Until then, besides, Ihad been considered too young to be traveling to and from Manhattan on trains. AllId had up till that time was the printed page, but that was a wondrous fate:

In 1966, following my first few months of collecting The Amazing Spider-Man,Fantastic Four, and the anthologies that presented Hulk, Iron Man, CaptainAmerica, and company, I boughtMarvel Super-Heroes #1. In this one-shot, 25special edition, a lost era was briefly glimpsed through a somewhat blurry reprintwindow, when Smilin Stan Lee elected to include the Sub-Mariner story fromMarvel Mystery Comics #8 (June 1940). Readers like me witnessed a furious youngPrince Namor destroy a Hudson River tunnel and an airplane, release animals fromtheir enclosures in the Bronx Zoo (an act softened by his rescue of an infant from thepath of stampeding elephants), damage the George Washington Bridge, and, as a

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CC Marvel Super-Heroes From 1939 To The 1960sWarren Reece (then Warren Storob) in the 1980s with his

collection of goodieswhich includes the Oct. 39 editionofMarvel Comics #1, the very first Timely/Marvel title. At

the time the photo was taken, only one copy with an

October cover date (as opposed to the larger-print-runsecond edition of #1, which had a cover date ofNovember) was known to exist. Warrens copy is

autographed by three of the artists featured therein: BillEverett, Carl Burgos, and humor-cartoonist Fred Schwab.Photo by Mary Jane Medvecky originally taken for Spigotmagazine, as reproduced in Comics Interview #8 (Feb.1984); with thanks to David Anthony Kraft. [ 2012 the

respective copyright holders.]

Also shown: the composite Bill Everett & Jack Kirby coverofMarvel Super-Heroes #1 (1966), which trumpets at

bottom the first Golden Age super-hero story everreprinted by Marvelor seen by young Warren. All comic

art reprod with this article was provided by Warren,unless otherwise noted. [ 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.]

With The Fathers

Of Our HeroesPersonal Memories Of CARL BURGOS, BILL EVERETT, & OthersAndOf Collecting The Earliest Appearances Of Their Seminal Brainchildrenby Warren Reece


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topper, have his first bout with the original, android Human Torch.This was not only their first meeting; according to one scholarlysource, it was the first time in publishing history that cartooncharacters from separate strips crossed over into one story. Theopening caption explained that the fantastically-powered Sub-Mariner, master of travel undersea, on land, and in the air, wasseeking revenge on humanity for attempting to electrocute himafter he had refused to lend his powers to its cause. I didntthoroughly understand, but I soon found myself obsessed with thequest for every rare old issue that could tell me more!

With further vintage stories being reprinted in FantasyMasterpieces #7, 8, & 9 in 1967, I became more familiar with the lostGolden Age genesis of Marvel from 1939-41. Of particular interestto me were Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner, and his encounters withthe original Torch inMarvel Mystery Comics #8-10. The reprints wereslightly edited and condensed, but they were all that were availableat the time, at least for kids. I saw more of Namors savagerampage against what he perceived as a villainous America, as theTorch and the authorities tried to stop him. I was also introduced toNamors undersea people, and was particularly struck by the large-eyed male Sub-Mariners with their huge, spine-like mustaches,which I mistook for products of primitive drawing technique bysigning artist Bill Everett. I soon learned not to underestimate histitanic talent, for those undersea guys looked just as their creator

wanted them to look in those pre-revisionist Marvel times.

I also quickly came to look upon the character of Officer BettyDean with great respect. This clever, classy, charismatic, cute,courageous cop, introduced in theMarvel Mystery for January 1940,was originally assigned as a decoy to trap Namor, but soon becamehis friend, an ally against the Nazis, and the mediator who settledhis battle with the Torch and humanity. As a character and a femalerole model, she was, I think, ahead of her time. I had to get moreold mags and learn more.

Shortly after my return from living in England for a year and ahalf, the opportunities for fulfillment began to present themselves.I was sixteen when I purchasedMarvel Mystery Comics #78, 81, &85, for $15, at My Friends Book Store in Brooklyn, NY. Before that,I had never seen any older Marvels. That summer, one of the firstbig conventions for comic book collectors was held in New York.

Meanwhile, Jules Feiffers 1965 book The Great Comic BookHeroes, featuring an impressive array of Golden Age reprints, camebelatedly to my attention. Among the stories therein was the Sub-Mariner episode fromMarvel Mystery #7. In it, the hero renewedhis quest for vengeance, planning to invade and conquer Americasingle-handed. Before long, he was shoving a ferryboat into thepath of an ocean liner, wrecking a trestle and train, and hurling the

A Herd Of Stampeding Elephants Couldnt Stop Me!(Left & right:) A key Sub-Mariner page written and drawn by Everett forMarvel Mystery Comics #8 (June 1940)and that page as reprinted (as retouched

on Photostats) in 1966sMarvel Super-Heroes #1. Thanks to Barry Pearl for the latter scan. [ 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.]

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dirigible mooring-mast atop of the Empire State Building downupon the crowds below! There was more than a little King Kong inthe latter two depredations. I was hooked, and I dont think I wasthe only one, because The Great Comic Book Heroes was alwayschecked out from my local public library, and my high schoolslibrary, as well.

It was a hot vacation day in July of 1968 when myfather brought me some newspaper articles about theconvention. One featured a photo of old HenryKeller, a dealer of cartoon treasures, with Gwenand Heather Seuling, young daughters ofconvention chairman Phil Seuling. On Sunday,

July 7th, my fathers birthday, he and I took thetrain into Manhattan to attend the last day ofthe convention. On the way into the StatlerHilton Hotel, I bought aMarvel Boy #1 for $4.Up on the hotels 18th floor, I went from tableto table, asking the dealers if they hadMarvelMystery Comics #1 or Captain America Comics #1.Finally, I was directed to Roger Nelson, anelderly, bespectacled gentleman fromChicago with an impressive batch ofGolden Age mags, including those twofirst issues!

Roger explained that his copy of Marvel

Comics #1 (the series first issue lackedthe wordMystery in its title) was missingits back cover; even so, he treasured it,and it was not for sale. His face beamedwith wonder and delight as he madereference to the Torch in the bottle. Formy part, I was transfixed by artist FrankR. Pauls cover rendering of The HumanTorch as a fiery, pointy-eared genie with ablazing top-lock. After I snapped out ofmy trance, I worked out a deal forCaptain America #1 andMarvel Mystery#13, 24, & 28, the earliest issues he hadfor sale. The batch was priced at $152, butRoger, perhaps touched by my awe, letme have it for $125, which constitutedmy life savings. Then, some big guy atthe door was shouting for everyone to getout of there, because the convention wasclosing soon. What a drag that was!

For the rest of the summer, I foundmyself dealing doubles of old mags and

saving my allowance. I phoned PhilSeuling, who told me he had a beautifulMarvel Comics #1 for sale at $250. I think Iworked for my dad in order to earn alittle extra. After some rocky negotia-tions, the two of us went to the Seulings,whose apartment overlooked the famousCyclone roller-coaster in Coney Island. Ithink my dad, who didnt approve of myhobby, loaned me $150 so I could makethe purchase before another collectorcould beat me to the treasure. Upstairs, Irecognized Phil as the loud guy at theconvention whod been orderingeveryone out. I also met his wife Carole,who, like Phil, eventually did somewriting for Marvel, and their two sweet

little daughters, whom I recognized from the newspaper photo.

Phil took my dad and me into a little back room, where he keptlots of Golden Age mags and two framed pieces of original art. HepulledMarvel Comics #1 from a box on a top shelf. With tremblinghands, I glimpsed wonders as I paged through the mag. I noticed

that the Human Torchs costume was blue, not red as ithad been in the Fantasy Masterpieces reprint. I flipped

past the debuts of The Angel and The MaskedRaider to reach The Sub-Mariner, which was

drawn by Bill Everett with an artistic processMarvel had been unable to reproduce in FM.

Apparently the use of Craft Tint, an illustrationboard that allowed shading by bringing outfine parallel and cross hatchings by brushingtwo different photographic developers on theillustration boards, combined with the screenedtones of the colored inks added at the printers,

had been perceived as muddy by theartist/writer and his superiors in 1939, so its use

was dropped after the first two stories.Still, I was captivated by Namors origin:Captain Leonard McKenzies accidentalbombardment of the Antarctic underseacity of the Sub-Mariners; the Emperorsdeployment of the lovely Princess Fen as

The Great Comic Book Nostalgia(Top left:) The cover of the original 1965 Dial Press edition of Jules Feiffers all-important collection TheGreat Comic Book Heroes, with its Joe Shuster Superman figure. This book, and an excerpt from it that

appeared a couple of months earlier inPlayboy, did much to trigger the nostalgia (or at least the admissionof nostalgia) of a number of adults for the comics of their allegedly misspent youth.

[Superman art 2012 DC Comics.]

(Top right:) The splash page of the vintage Sub-Mariner story reprinted in GCBH, complete with afootnote by Feiffer, enlarged above. His full text for the tome was reprinted by Fantagraphics a couple

of years back, but minus the comics reprints, all of which are available elsewhere today.

[Sub-Mariner page 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.; text 2012 Jules Feiffer.]

Phil Er Up!Comics dealer Phil Seuling at the 1969 New York ComicArt Conventionhis first solo con, after hed been a co-host of the SCARP-Con the year before. Reprinted from

Alter Ego [Vol. 1] #10, 1969.

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a spy among the white monsters of the surface ship (written in abeautiful Shakespearian parlance); the ill-fated marriage of CaptainMcKenzie and Princess Fen; Namors birth and later discovery ofhis surface heritage; and his first mission of revenge against thesurface people for the deaths and damages inflicted on his peoplewhen McKenzies ship, the Oracle, had blasted its way out of an icefloean action mistaken by the undersea race as an act of war.Such plotting was to become standard Marvel formula more thantwo decades later, but it began inMarvel Comics #1, back in 1939. Ipaid every penny I had in the world to Phil, along with a largeloan from my father which I repaid over several months. It was thebest purchase I ever made, with the possible exception of myoriginal, illustrated King Kong script, years later.

It Was An Ancient MarinerThe year went by, and I continued to collect Marvels. I got to

know Henry Keller, who had been in the newspaper photo withthe Seuling girls, and bought some nice Golden Age Marvels fromhim and his partner, Al Faruggio, at their old shop on Grand Streetin Brooklyn, which looked like a cover for Operation Rebirth, the

project that had spawned Captain America! Finally, July arrived,and, to my great anticipation, there was another of Phils ComicArt Conventions.

I was hoping and praying Id be able to buy there the originalMarvel Mysterybattle issues that featured the first cross-oversbetween the Torch and Sub-Mariner, as well as the second Sub-

Mariner story with its odd Craft Tint murkiness. Tired butwired, I packed my English duffle bag (symbol of the comicbook collector when Id visited the market bookstalls in England)with myMarvel Comics #1, Captain America #1, and maybe a coupleof other non-conventional status symbols, and, armed with a $200loan, headed off for the D-Train into Manhattan.

On the 18th floor of the Statler Hilton, I found a mob of enthu-siasts on line; they soon spread all over every floor area with opensuitcases of mags for sale. In the dealer room I quickly spotted aMarvel Mystery on a wallissue #2! With a little negotiating, TomAltschuler dropped the price from $100 to 80 bucks!

I had been given a tip by an acquaintance, Jerome Tepper, thatone Louis Valladeres, a guy hed met in Robert Bells famous comic

AMarvelOf The Ages!(Left:) The Frank R. Paul-drawn cover of the ultra-rare Oct. 1939 edition ofMarvel Comics #1 that Warren Reece purchased from Phil Seuling. Warren gives its

pedigree as: sold by a Mr. Edwards, a Philadelphia druggist/newsagent, to one Paul Zack for a dime in 1939 sold by Zack to Dave Waxman of Great Neck, NY,for $100 in 1968 sold by Waxman to Phil Seuling for $150 later that year and sold soon thereafter to Warren for $220. Warrens copy has appeared in

numerous exhibits and publications, as well as on television.

(Right:) The first page of the Sub-Mariner story therein, autographed by Bill Everett at a New York con. The Craft Tint illustration board was intended toachieve a feeling of depth under water. [ 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.]



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book shop in Queens, was going to be at the show withMarvelMystery #8 & 10. As it turned out, Valladeres also had #7, the issuewith the great Sub-Mariner story reprinted in Feiffers book.With some high-powered bargaining, I got the price down from$120 to 80 samoleons. Thank you, Lord!

Over the next few hours, with the help of my new acquaintancePerry Albert (whom Id met that morning, as I had writer NicolaCuti), I met Jeff Gordon, who hadMarvel Mystery #9, priced at$75an absolutely essential battle issue with the famous Torch-Sub-Mariner cover by Alex Shomburg. I had to have it, but he hadto have his price, and I only had $45 left. For the balance, Jeffagreed to take Captain America #8, which I intended to repurchasewhen I was in the money again! Wow! What a morning! I hadaccomplished my mission, and then some!

Broke but ecstatic, I received some exciting news: Later that day.Bill Everett, creator of Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner, would be atthe convention! With the same exuberant, almost fanatical drivethat impelled me to those fabulous original editions of his work, Iwent from person to person asking where Everett was, not having

a clue as to how he looked!

Soon, in the main dealer room, not far from the spot where Idbought Golden Age mags from Roger Nelson at the previousconvention, I was directed to a tall, slim Caucasian man in hisfifties with back-swept black hair, wearing black-rimmed glassesand a fashionable Army field jacket. I very politely greeted theartist and engaged him in conversation, soon asking him how hehad come up with such a great concept as The Sub-Mariner.

Well, he replied, I was an angry young man. I was fed upwith the world, and I wanted to see the world get what wascoming to it! I was fascinated by the sea, so I decided to create acharacter who came from the sea, and he would have his revengeon mankind. But it wasnt enough to have a super-powered

character who would go aroundwrecking everything. He had to have amotive; so I gave him the motive, and gavehim the power, and thus you have PrinceNamor.

Impressed with his answer, I politelyasked whether he would draw a sketch of The Sub-Mariner for me. Obligingly, he went with me to an emptydealer table, where lay some sheets of typing paper, and, with afelt-tipped pen, he began to draw a portrait of Namor. He stoppeda few seconds later, apparently dissatisfied with the attemptandbegan again on a fresh sheet of paper. Within a short time, hecompleted a nice portrait of his brainchild. He also signed myMarvel Comics #1 in the right margin of page 1 of his first Sub-Mariner story, then signed the first page of each Sub-Marinerstory in issues 2, 7, 8, 9, & 10.

I thanked him for his generosity, at which point he wasapproached by several other fans who wanted sketches. Patiently,he obliged them all.

I attended the rest of the convention that week, broke buthappy; and, each evening at home in the Seacrest Apartments inSheepshead Bay, I pored over those wonderful, rare old cartoonmagazines. I immersed myself into the depths of New YorkHarbor, the East River, and Central Park Lake with Prince Namor,and into the adventure-fantasy world of William Blake Everett, asrichly illustrated in the long-lost pages ofMarvel Mystery #2, withits undersea Craft Tint look.

As Bill would later explain in an interview with friend, editor,writer, fan, and sometime roomie Roy Thomas (which wouldeventually be published in Alter Ego [Vol. 1] #11, in 1978), theartists had had no control over the way their art was colored backin those early days. Beyond guides for specific costumes, all colordecisions were made by the printers, so Bill had attempted toprovide watery tones and shadows with Craft Tint. It had linescreens that were invisible until two different chemical devel-opers were applied, each making a screen of parallel lines appearin black. The overlapping of these tonal screens actually produceda third gradation of black line screening. The results were three

Portrait Of The Artist And A Young Amphibian(Left:) Presumably, both the artist-portrait and Sub-Mariner figure accompanying the

(partly bogus) Everett text bio in The Human Torch #2 (Fall 1940; actually the first issue)were drawn by Bill himself; the title utilized his distinctive signature. Too bad much of theline art on Namors head dropped out, even in the original comic. You can read thewhole bio in the hardcoverMarvel Masterworks: Golden Age Human Torch, Vol. 1.

[ 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.]

(Center & right:) Bill E., seen in a circa-1970 photo, drew this Sub-Mariner profile for WarrenReece at a 1969 comic-con, on a piece of typing paper he found lying about, using a felt-

tipped pen. Warren still has it. [Sub-Mariner TM & 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.]



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paper upon which Carl had simultaneouslysigned his name, forwards and backwards, witha pen in each hand, several times. There theywere like mirror images. I thought that wasabsolutely brilliant: a cosmic power exclusivelypossessed by Golden Age Marvel cartoonists! Actually, like mostmagic tricks, it can be performed in a simple, effective way, forpeople can move their right and left limbs in relatively symmetricalpatterns if the movements are simultaneous.

Remembering his telling me that he had never autographed anyother mags, and recalling a story Id heard about a fan whod hadFrank Frazetta sign a paper cup and then sold the darned thing, Iasked Carl in my letter whether he might want to let the severalsigned mags in my archive remain the only ones he ever signed. Ireasoned that, if he didnt autograph any others, they wouldbecome incredibly important collectors items, as well as not being

used for selfish gainby profiteers who might sell thesigned mags for a higher pricejust as (to repeat anearlier image) the Torch had declared, at the end of hisdebut story, that he would never again allow himself tobe used for selfish gain or crime. Off went the letter,and quite a bit of time went by with no response.

With the Foster FathersOf Our Heroes

My later encounters with Bill Everett had some

connection with my first appointment up at theManhattan offices of Marvel Comics, at 635 Madison

Avenue, in Manhattan. I managed to get an appointment aroundtwo years after my first personal letter from Stan Lee, for whom Ihad boundless high regard. Upon arrival, I was greeted by arobust, clean-shaven, dark-haired man in a white shirt with rolled-up sleeves. Smiling, he vigorously shook my hand, introducinghimself: John Romita. Away I went with Marvels de facto artdirector, who was drawing The Amazing Spider-Man, to very goodeffect, in the wake of co-creator Steve Ditkos resignation; thatmade Johnny Romita a sort of foster father to Spidey.

We settled into a cubicle partition that served as the in-house artdepartment. Sharing the area was a tall young man, also with dark


Id Rather Be BlueHerb Trimpe, as per the 69FF Annual, and two of thefour blue-pencil cover roughs he generously gave to

Warren during that office visit: an alternate Hulk/Globsketch to the one used for The Incredible Hulk #129(July 1970), and one for aHulk issue which was to

have showcased The Mole Man, a story apparently notdone at that time. [ 2012 Marvel Characters, Inc.]


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wonderful thing happened there.Chairman Phil Seuling presentedBill with a lifetime achievementaward. It did my heart good tolearn that this modest man, sounder-discussed by overallfandom, was receiving thatspecial recognition before anenthusiastic crowd of cartoonfantasy aficionados and profes-sionals. There was Seuling, agiant in the collecting field, a manwho had revolutionized it, givingmore than a trophy to Bill: givingattention, appreciation, respect,recognition, and warmth, to BillEverett, one of the great fathersof our heroes.

Not too long after thatceremony, Bill suffered a heartattack. He seemed to rally towardrecovery, though. His family,

friends, and colleagues werehopeful. However, the period ofalcoholism, and years of smoking,had done too much damage tohim. He had another heart attack.Gary Friedrich recalled going tovisit Bill in ManhattansRoosevelt Hospital. About the lastthing he remembered Bill sayingwas: Friedrich! Get me adamned cigarette! Bill Everettsoon diedway too soon. He wasonly about 56 years old.

Like most of Bills admirers, I

didnt learn of the loss until Iread of it on the Bullpen Bulletinspage in a Marvel comic, aroundthree months later. It was a lossthat would become more and more meaningful to me during theyears that followed.

Bills pal, Carl Burgos, survived him by around a dozen years.At one of the lunches Carl regularly attended with Marvel headletterer Danny Crespi, Morrie Kuramoto (I think), and perhapsothers, Carl announced that he had cancer. In the brief period thatfollowed, they still got together with him when it was possible,and kidded him that hed beat the silent, hidden villain. Howwonderful that victory wouldve been!

Motion Picture Funnies Weekly#1And A Shot On Live TV

Bill and Carl were gone, but their legacies lived on. Around twoyears after Bills death, the estate of John Compton, a writer whohad once worked for the Funnies, Inc., studio that had producedthe contents ofMarvel Comics #1 for publisher Martin Goodman,yielded some amazing and controversial items. One was a drawingof the Torch by Carl Burgos, in the revised style he used forMarvelMystery #4, with a notation indicating to Goodman that it was thenew look for The Human Torch (mainly, we could see his facewhen he was aflame); it eventually sold at auction for approxi-mately $4,000. An Everett color rough of the rampaging Namor,

intended (but not used) for thecover ofMarvel Mystery #2,fetched a reputed $14,000 atauction. Those prices exceededany Id heard for cartoon-book artat that time.

Perhaps the most controversialitems in the history of cartoon-

magazine collecting also emergedfrom that estate: five copies (one ofthem incomplete) ofMotion PictureFunnies Weekly #1. The proposedpremium giveaway had a colorfront cover, with a solicitation totheatre managers on its back,which told them how they couldcontact Funnies, Inc., if theywanted to carry it in their theatres.Its black-&white interior includedthe first eight pages of the originand debut of Bills Sub-Mariner,pages which also appeared in

Marvel Comics #1. The emptycaption box in the final panel ofpage 8 was filled with the wordsContinued Next Week.

MPFW#1 was soon marketedby dealer Don Phelps as the firstappearance of Sub-Mariner, andthe rarest, most valuable comicbook in the world. The publisherof The Comic Book Price Guidebought the incomplete copy for areputed $2,000 and promoted themagazine in the Guide. Thepromoters claimed the use of

Craft Tint illustration boardproved that Bill Everett createdNamor for the black-&-whiteMPFW.

Marvel super-collector George Olshevsky and I became theprimary opponents of those claims.

These people had perhaps failed to read the definitive Everettinterview published in 1978 in Alter Ego [Vol. 1] #11, prior to thediscovery of the then-unknownMPCW#1; it would be reprinted inA/E #47 in 2005. In it, Bill stated that he had used Craft Tint to givethe feeling of being underwater, and he related the problems thathad occurred inMarvel Comics #1 andMarvel Mystery Comics #2when the Ben Day color dots were printed over the Craft Tint black

line screens. He clearly speaks as if he had intended the feature forGoodmans color mags, but didnt count on the consequentmuddiness that would occur in the printing processes.

The rare specimens ofMPFW#1 were continually promoted asthe first appearance of The Sub-Mariner, and were offered forthousands of dollars apiece. The asking price for a sixth copy thatwas later revealed, accompanied by vintage studio notesconcerning the pay for each feature listed in it, was in the tens ofthousands of dollars, while prices for copies of Marvel Comics #1,including the pay-noted specimen from that publishers estate,skyrocketed way beyond even those for the sample moviepremiums, as the years rolled by.

Meanwhile, I continued my efforts to bring public attention to

A Man of MarvelsComic book phenom Alex Ross painted this portrait of "Wild" Bill Everett

and his immortal creation, Prince Namor, which graced the cover of thesecond edition of late Jerry Weist's Comic Art Price Guide (2000).

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NTERVIEWERSINTRODUCTION:In parts 1 & 2 of thisinterview with the

comic book artist (and sometimes

writer), we discussed his entryinto comics as an assistant tovarious artists and his early workfor Avon, Youthful/Story, et al.,as well as his long partnershipwith fellow artist Bill Fraccioboth for Charlton and elsewhere.This time, we conclude the part ofour talk that deals primarily withthe Charlton years. Jim.

[Editor Pat Masulli]Was Always

The Boss PetJIM AMASH: You startedworking at Charlton under Aland Blanche Fago. Pat Masullisoon became your editor. Tell meabout him.

TALLARICO: I felt he didntreally know that much aboutcomics, editing, or anythingelse, but he was there. He wasa body, which is all you cansay about most of the peoplewho were there. I guess thats

a criticism to say thatsomebody was just there. Hedidnt strike you as beingbrilliant or bad or anything.Masulli had a coloringcompany with a man namedPallet, but that didnt mean he [knew much about putting a goodbook together]. As far as my work was concerned, he was veryuncritical.

JA: How long did Charlton have that New York office?

TALLARICO: They had it for several years, because at one timethey had a knock-off of Playboy that they were doing out of thatoffice. I dont remember the title.

JA: After Charlton closed the New York office, did you goin person or did you do it by mail?

TALLARICO: By messenger. They would send amessenger down to the city, and we still met at thesame office. Only they werent Charlton anymoreitwas a law office, and they allowed Charlton to usethe office as a drop-off or pick-up area. Then Istarted doing illustration spots for their Word Search

magazines. Somebody at Charlton went to Canada and saw a WordSearch magazine, and thought it was great, so they did a knock-off.

JA: You hardly ever went to the Derby, Connecticut, offices?

TALLARICO: I was there twice. Once for this magnificent feast totry to talk us all into moving up there; and the second time, Sal[Gentile, editor] invited my whole family to have a barbeque at hishouse, and we had to stop at Charlton to pick him up. It was a

Tony Gets ToastedTony Tallarico at an exhibit of his work, at a Berndt

Toast Gang function in conjunction with theNational Cartoonists Societyand a chapter-splash

from Geronimo Jones #1 (Sept. 71) that he bothscripted and inked, with pencils by Jose Delbo. That

issues opening splash was seen last issue. Tony saysin this installment that creating, writing, and inking

the latter series was his most pleasurable experience atthe Connecticut-based comics company. Thanks to

Gary Watson for the comics page scan. [Page 2012the respective copyright holders.]

Im Responsible ForWhat Ive Done

Part III Of A Candid ConversationWith Veteran Artist TONY TALLARICO

Conducted by Jim Amash Transcribed by Brian K. Morris

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Saturday or something. He worked half a day.

JA: Do you think Masulli paid much attention to the content of thematerial?

TALLARICO: No, and heres an example. Once, he asked me if Iknew anybody who could write? I said, Yes, I have a friend ofmine who is a very good writer, and is having a bit of a problemgetting work. Let me ask him if would be

interested. And he was. This guys namewas Don Siegel [NOTE: Also spelledSegall. Jim]. So he was writing forCharlton, and everything was okay for awhile. Then one day, Masulli said to me,Youve got to change writers. I dont likehis stuff. His stuff is terrible. Now, Pathad never met Don Siegel face-to-face. Isaid, Okay, Ill look around. And Masullisaid, I want to meet the guy that youchoose. I called Don. Hey, look. Hesnever met you. Get a different typewriter,do a different layout, and lets see whathappens. Theres no reason not to use you!Your stuff is fine for what they do. AndDon did this.

I showed Pat the work, and he loved it.He wants to meet this guy. So oneWednesday, Don went up there with me,using the name Max Weldon. We sat at abig conference table and I said, PatMasulli, this is Max Weldon. Oh, Imglad to meet you. Youre a terrific writer,and we can keep you busy all the time.End of story.

Don was a very nice man, verytalkative. He came from Boston and hisfamily was involved in entertainment.They had travelling shows and things likethat, but he was a very smart, clever guy.He wanted to break into show business.He later left comics to go into televisionand wrote a number of episodes forvarious TV shows, but he never became animportant writer in television.

I remember my daughter and a coupleof her friends went to California on avacation, and I gave them Dons address.Hed love to see you. But they chickenedout. They drove by the house, and there was a car parked in thedriveway, and on the license plate was the phrase REWRITE.

[laughs] Rewrite, thats probably what he did. Thats what mostscreenwriters do, rewrite each others stories.

JA: Did he write anything before he worked with you?

TALLARICO: Yes. I met him at Dell. He wrote Car 54, which Idrew. He wrote a lot of stuff for them. He and [editor] D.J. Arnesonwere good friends.

JA: And then you brought him into Charlton.

TALLARICO: Well, thats another fiasco. One day, I guess Don wasfeeling his oats, and he said to D.J., Youd be doing me a favor notto give me any more comic work. This way, Im forced to go to theWest Coast. So Arneson took it literally, and never gave him

another piece of work. Thats why he was desperate for work.

JA: What did he write for you?

TALLARICO: Generic stuff, mostly romance stories. He wrote forme as Don Siegel, for maybe six months, seven months. And thenas Max Weldon, I would think about two years.

JA: Speaking of names, you and Bill Fraccio were Tony Williamsune,which was spelled two different ways.

TALLARICO: Yeah, depending on wholettered it. That was Jim Warrens idea. Iguess he didnt want to have any associ-ation with any other publishers that wewere working for.

JA: Was Pat Masulli the type of guy to initiatea new series at Charlton?

TALLARICO: Yes. He was the one whocreated Son of Vulcan, or so he claimed.Masulli wrote the first story, and then JoeGill took over.

JA: I dont have the impression Masulli wascreative. He may have been told, Lets startdoing super-heroes.

TALLARICO: Im sure of that, because hewas always the boss pet. He did anythingthe boss wanted, and the strange thing wasthat he was fired, and I have no idea why.Masulli was editing comics, and then theyreplaced him with Dick Giordano.

JA: Nobody knows why he was fired. If Joe Gillknew, he wouldnt tell me. Joe Gill hated himwith a passion.

TALLARICO: Oh yes, I know that.

JA: When I told him Pat Masulli was dead, hesaid, Good. When you were in communi-cation with Masulli, how much of it was bytelephone?

TALLARICO: Probably 95%. We talkedmaybe once a week, once every two weeks,depending on the amount of work that heneeded. He was giving me a list of thingsto do.

The Only Good ThingAbout Working For Charlton

JA: In the case of Son of Vulcan, Roy Thomas wrote the final issue, andhe wrote a Blue Beetle. Those were his first comic book stories. In fact,when you saw Roys name on a script, you probably didnt even pay anyattention, Id imagine.

TALLARICO: True. I mean, I didnt know him, and I alwaysthought, Nobody knows us. [laughs] You know, we just do whatwe do, doing something because we have to make a living, andyou dont worry about the other stuff.

JA: What did you think of the Son of Vulcan idea?

TALLARICO: I thought it was not bad. I mean, you had to give it alittle time for it to generate, and the problem with Charlton was

Mysteries Of Unphotographed EditorsFuture Charlton editor Dick Giordanos cover for

Mysteries of Unexplored Worlds #46 (June 1965),introducing Son of Vulcan, a feature that wasapparently the brainchild of then-editor Pat Masulli.Thanks to the Grand Comics Database; see info on p.72. With #49, the comics title was officially changed

toSon of Vulcanbut it still crashed and burnedwith #50, the issue written by Roy Thomas (forpanels from that one, seeA/E #106). This mags

editor has tried for years, to no avail, to locate aphoto of Pat Masulli, who as Charltons editor

bought the first two comics scripts he ever sold. [Sonof Vulcan TM & 2012 DC Comics.]

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NTERVIEWERSINTRO-DUCTION: Inkersare the unsung

heroes of comic artistry. Theircraft is often undervaluedand their contributionfrequently overlooked. Butthere are many pencilers ofthe Golden and Silver Ageswhose graphite was refined,enhanced and improved bythe work of exceptionalinkers. The best of them wereable to finish the artwork,leaving it better than whenthey started withoutoverpowering the pencilswith their own style. MikePeppe (pronounced pep-i)

was one such unsung hero,whose inks graced the work ofsuch legendary comic artistsas Alex Toth, Mike Sekowsky,Steve Ditko, Mike Roy, JohnCelardo, and George Tuska.

Mike Peppe was born onOctober 4, 1921, in theGreenwich Village area ofNew York City. His familywas of Italian descent, but hisparents were born inAmerica. His father workedas a truck driver and later asa bartender. His motherraised four children, of which Mike was the oldest.

Mike started with the S.M. (Jerry) Iger shop in 1944. Iger had manyclients, Fiction House being one of the biggest. Rumor has it that Mikeleft Iger after making a delivery to Fiction House and discovering thatcompany had much better working conditions. Mike joined the staff atFiction House in 1945. While at Fiction House, Mike penciled and inkeda number of two-page filler pieces with titles like Jungle Facts thatappeared inJungle Comics and other books of their line. He remained atFiction House for several years, working with artists like Celardo, Tuska,and Bob Lubbers.

Mike left Fiction House in 1948 for Standard Publications, where in

some respects he made his biggest mark in the comics industry as artdirector, alongside editor Joe Archibald. Mike worked closely with artistAlex Toth at Standard, and the two of them defined the style by whichStandard would be best known in both romance and adventure stories.Mike reportedly encouraged Standard artists to draw like Toth, but Mikesown influence is clearly evident in the brushstrokes of other inkers whowere working at Standard at that time, such as Frank Giacoia.

Mike left Standard in 1954. As a freelance inker, he did some crime,adventure, and romance stories for Timely and St. John. He also assistedMike Roy on newspaper strips such as Ken Weston and Nero Wolfe. Inaddition, he was one of the artists who contributed to the Picture WorldEncyclopedia.

Being A Cartoonist DidntReally Define Him

Spotlight On Golden & Silver Age Inker MIKE PEPPEBy His Wife FERN PEPPE And Others Who Knew Him

Interview Conducted & Transcribed by Dewey Cassell

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The Hands Of Mike PeppeMike Peppe during the comic book years

and the splash page he inked superblyover Alex Toths dramatic pencils for

StandardsAdventures into Darkness #9(April 1953), as re-colored for the mid-

1980s Eclipse reprint titleSeduction of theInnocent. Scripter unknown. Thanks toFern Peppe for photos and other artifactsaccompanying this piece; all comic artherein was provided by Dewey Cassell,

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As a member of the NationalCartoonists Society, Mike was invitedto play in a celebrity golf tournamentheld every year at Shawnee on theDelaware, a resort in the Poconosowned by Fred Waring, renownedbandleader and inventor of the blender.Mike, George Tuska, Al Plastino, andothers, along with their wives, weretreated to a weekend of luxury,hobnobbing with the likes of TV starJackie Gleason.

Starting in the mid-1950s, Mikeworked predominately for Dell (andlater Western Publishing), frequentlyinking the pencils of Mike Sekowskyand Mike Roy. Peppe worked onunique Dell properties (e.g.,Frogmen), as well as on many of theirmedia-related titles such as Aroundthe World in 80 Days.

He later also worked for DCComics, where he inked horror storiesin House of Secrets and Steve Ditkospencils in the last couple of issues ofBeware The Creeper. Mikes lastwork for Western and DC was in theearly 70s, after which he did littleother comics work before his untimelydeath in 1982. Mike was survived by asister and brother, his two children,five grandchildren, four great-grand-children, and his wife Fern.

Dewey.

Interview WithFern PeppeMike married Fern Bishop in July

1944. In this interview, conducted inOctober 2005, Fern Peppe talks abouther husband, his work, and theirfamily. The interview was copy-editedby Mrs. Peppe, and preceded thepassing of Alex Toth, John Celardo,and George Tuska.

DEWEY CASSELL: Where did Mikego to school?

FERN PEPPE: He went to highschool in Brooklyn. When hegraduated, he went in the Army.After he left the Army, a very goodfriends mother asked him to comework in a glove factory inManhattan. Thats where we met. Iworked in the office and he workedas a shipping clerk. A year later, wewere married.

DC: Did Mike go to art school?

PEPPE: Not a day. My husbandlearned how to ink by himself. He

The Frogmen Creep In On

Little Frog FeetAfter leaving Standard, Peppe inked

for Dell and DC, among othercompanies. Here he is over MikeSekowsky pencils on Dells The

Frogmen #9 (May-July 1964) andover Steve Ditko onBeware TheCreeper #5 (Jan.-Feb. 1969). The

Frogmen page is reprod from black-&-white photocopies of the original

art. Its script is by Don Segall,Creepers by Denny ONeil. [Frogmenpage 2012 the respective copyright

holders; Creeper page 2012 DCComics.]

used to sit with the black ink anda brush and do swirls, brush-strokes. Thats how he became avery good inker.

DC: How did Mike get into inkingprofessionally?

PEPPE: Before we were married,

I saw some of his work, samplesof drawing that he did, and I feltthat he was very talented. I keptpushing him. One day, he cameback to the house, because I hadquit my job in the office and Iwas looking for somethinglocally. We werent even marrieda year. He came up the stairs andsaid, I have an appointment. Icame back to get my samples.They werent anything like youwould do today. He took hissamples to this man, Jerry Iger.Iger wanted to hire him for $18 aweek. But the last thing I said tohim when he left the house was,Mike, dont work for less than$25. So, he told Iger, My wifesaid I cant make anything lessthan $25 a week. So they hiredhim. The war was on, so theycould use another person.

He stayed there for a shorttime. He sat on an egg crate andwas learning how to use a brushand developed a very good talentfor it. He left there and went to

Fiction House on 40th Street andFifth Avenue, right across fromthe Library. Every month, hewould get one picture about ananimal, say, a bear, and he did astory about it that was includedin the comics. Then he went toStandard, and after a while, hewas put into the position of artdirector.

DC: Who did Mike work with atStandard?

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supplemented his income. We lived very nice. We never lived poor.I had a beautiful home on the Island. In those days, you could buya house for five or six thousand dollars down. We bought it in 1960and we sold it in 1970. My mother passed away and we went tolive in New Jersey in my fathers house because he was alone.

DC: Tell me about the Voice of America.

PEPPE: My husband applied for a job at the Voice of America. He

had a very good friend in Washington, DC, Mike Roy, who went towork for the Voice of America in the art department. Heencouraged Mike to fill out an application for it, because it was asteady job. This probably was about 1970-something. Mike askedfor too much money, so he didnt get that job. He had quite a fewdisappointments. Thats part of living and you have to acceptthem.

DC: Did you save any of Mikes comics?

PEPPE: No, Im very sorry that I didnt save his comic books. Ihave to be honest with you. I never read comic books as a kid.Every month, when we got a check, we received two issues ofwhatever comic book he worked on, that his inking was in. Theywould kick around the house for a couple of weeks, and then I

would say, Honey, we dont need these books. Do you need thesebooks? No, thats okay.

We used to go to Frank Giacoias house and he would beworking downstairs in the basement. We didnt socialize with himtoo much, maybe once a year. He had files and files filled withreference material and books. And I would be throwing Mickeysbooks out.

DC: Did Mike do any advertising work?PEPPE: He did Smokey the Bear. And he also did The Man fromU.N.C.L.E. My husband did Jackie Gleasons comic book, too. If myhusband were alive, he could tell you so much.

DC: Did Mike ever get any original art back?

PEPPE: He had a few [pages]. I dont know what happened tothem. I dont have any of Mikes artwork. Very seldom do you seehis name on his artwork.

DC: Did it ever bother him that he didnt get credit?

PEPPE: He didnt care. He really liked what he did. Do you knowhow many men go to work that hate their jobs? My husband never

A Sekowsky Double-Dip

At both Gold Key (Western) and DC, Peppe inked some interesting work penciled by Mike Sekowskyand he did it up proud. The script for the moody pagefrom Twilight Zone #6 (Feb. 1964) is attributed to Dick Woodwhile the Supergirl tale inAdventure Comics #398 (Oct. 1970) was written as well by

Sekowsky. The latter, Dewey Cassell notes, was the first appearance of the Maid of Steel in a re-designed costume, but the artists clearly hadnt quite got thehang of it yet: note the missing S symbol in panel 2, and the indication of fingernails on her gloves! [Gold Key pages 2012 the respective copyright

holders; Supergirl page 2012 DC Comics.]

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58 Mr. Monsters Comic Crypt!

Charles AtlasMan And Myth!

by Michael T. Gilbert

f Charles Atlas had never existed, Angelo Ciciliano wouldhave had to invent him.

Come to think of ithe did!

According to his New York Times obituary, Ciciliano was born onOctober 30, 1893, in Acri, Calabria, Italy. When he was ten, hemoved to Brooklyn and changed his name to Charles Ciciliano.

He later changed it again to become the iron-muscled CharlesAtlas, legendary icon of those famous comic book ads. You know,the ones where poor slobs got sand kicked in their faces until theywisely bulked up with the Atlas Courseand instantly became theHero Of The Beach! But how many fans know anything about theman himself?

According to Robert Lewis Taylors article I Was Once a 97-

Pound Weakling! (New Yorker,January 3, 1942), Charles wasindeed the archetypical skinny nerd. Taylor writes, A picture ofhim in his mid-teens shows a spindly youth standing in an attitudeof listless dejection. People who lived in the neighborhoodremember him as being sensationally feeble. Atlas does not misrep-resent the facts when he cries out in his advertisements in the pulpmagazines, I was once a 97-pound weakling!

According to Taylor, the 16-year-old Ciciliano was inspired tochange his puny physique after seeing a statue of Hercules at theBrooklyn Museum. Disappointed with the standard muscle-

building techniques, he came upwith another method whilewatching a Bronx Zoo lion keepin shape by flexing his muscles.

Charles called his systemDynamic Tension, based on theidea of pitting one muscleagainst another.

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Young Atlas!(Above:) At 15, Atlas was so puny that he practically invited a punch in thesnoot but look at him now! reads the caption in Life magazine, April 17,

1964. But when the same photo appeared in 1924sSecrets of MuscularBeauty and Power, it listed his age as 11! Also, he was called both Angeloand Angelino Ciciliano back then. But this 1941 letterhead shows the Charles

Atlas we grew up with! [ 2012 Time-Life Books, Inc.]

No Sweat!(Above:) Charles Atlas has the world on his shoulders on this cover to his

1924 booklet,Secrets of Muscular Power & Beauty. [ 2012 Charles Atlas Ltd.]

Proof Positive!(Left:) Charles Atlas won the

Americas Most Handsome Mancontest in 1921 and the "Americas

Most Perfectly Developed Mancontest in 1922, as proven by this

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hen I heard, sometime in late 2010, thatthe Comic-Con folks had designatedthe 50th anniversary of comic

fandom as one of the themes of their nextmega-gathering in San Diego, it occurredto me that this would be a perfect oppor-tunity to have some sort of a FandomReunion.

The 1997 Fandom Reunion held inChicago during the 1997 Chicago Comicon

was one of the greatest experiences of myfannish life. How could meeting Jerry Bails,Howard Keltner, and Grass Green and theother 29 old-time fans in attendance notbe animmutable memory? And, since the San Diegocon would be bringing in (as Guests of Honor)celebrated fan writer Richard Kyle, Comic Art co-editor Maggie Thompson, Xeros progenitors Dickand Pat Lupoff, Alter Ego co-editor/editor RoyThomas, and Jean Bails on behalf of her late husband,the founder of A/Eas well as yours trulythere wasalready a good start for a special gathering.

Accordingly, I sent out the first of several e-mails tomy mailing list touting the idea and urging members of

fandom from those early years to come to San Diego for a50th-anniversary blow-out. Others, most notably AaronCaplan (fanzine collector extraordinaire), passed thequery-announcement to even more fans, and soon thebuzz began building.

Understandably, the expense and other difficulties causedmany to opt out. For some, the staggering size of Comic-Con was more than they wanted to handle. But there werealso those who enthusiastically ratified the idea andvowed to be there, and a fairly large group who said theywould like to go and would see if they could. Already Iwas looking forward to the fourth week in July!

But. to what, exactly? How would Reunion 2011

come together, what form would it take, and wherewould it be held?

Enter: Gary Sassaman, intrepid purveyor ofpeerless publications for Comic-Con and their otherevents. Actually, I had already been in touch withGary, when I contributed an article about fandomshistory to the Comic-Con Annual (the full-color publi-cation that has taken the place of the old Updates).

Just to get his reaction, I sent Gary an e-mailwondering the best way to ask the Powers ThatBe if they would provide a room at the San DiegoConvention Center for a reunion. Next thing Iknew, the CCI Board of Directors had not onlygiven us a room, but had committedsubstantial funding to the event (to printprograms and provide food). We were offand running! Saturday night, July 23, 2011,in the San Diego Convention Center, thereunion/partynow dubbed a Meet and

Greetwas officially on! (And,happily, longtime fan Jackie Estrada,chair of the Comic-Con committee, was

deemed coordinator of the event.)

As Comic-Con and the Reunionapproached, excitement built. Flurries of

anxious e-mails arrived from fans wanting to confirmthis, that, and the other thing. Aaron Caplan designed a

special commemorative button (which he generously paidfor)... Gary Sassaman lined up history of fandom features forthe cons official program book... the Shel Dorf MemorialSociety was creating a display... Jackie Estrada kept a list ofnames of people who had RSVPd her e-mail invitations...Steven Fears was bringing the Guest Book... and DaveArmstrong, at the eleventh hour, organized special displaysof original fan art and photographs to line the room.

Sooner than seemed possible, I found myself looking outthe window as the ancient Boeing 737 that Id boarded in

Seattle was chugging over downtown San Diego onWednesday, July 20th. Could that really be butterflies in my

stomach? Most certainly it was!

Future installments of the Comic Fandom Archive willinclude transcripts of the special Fanzine panel and theFounders of Comics Fandom panel, as well as an interviewwith the loquacious Richard Kyle. But, though the Meet andGreet party occurred after those panels, Roy and I felt it wasappropriate to begin our coverage with a 2-part photo featureof this historic fan reunion.

Special thanks must obviously go to the photographers: JackieEstrada, Russ Maheras, Aaron Caplan, Dave Armstrong, LorraineBroertjes, Bob Cosgrove, Bill G. Wilson, and Batton Lash. Wewerent able to include a pic of all 150 guests, but we will berunning more in Part 2, as well as a list of everyone who came.

And now, let the festivities begin!

Fandoms 50th Birthday Bash!Part 1: The Reunion PartyA Photo-Feature

by Bill Schelly

Comic Fandom Archive

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oy Ald was an editor and writer for Fawcett Publications comicbooks from 1946 to 1953, applying his talents to such titles asWow Comics (featuring Mary Marvel, the Phantom Eagle,

Commando Yank, Mr. Scarlet, and his comical creation Ozzie and Babs),Captain Midnight, Don Winslow of the Navy, This Magazine IsHaunted, Captain Video, Life Story, Worlds of Fear, StrangeSuspense Stories, Beware! Terror Tales, Gabby Hayes Western,

Sweethearts, Suspense Detective, Negro Romance, and others, as wellas developing Fawcetts early graphic novel experiment, Mansion of Evil,before editing various Fawcett magazines after the publisher terminated itscomics line. Ald later moved on to other noteworthy publishing ventureswith various companies and also authored dozens of bookspredominatelyin the health and fitness fields.

Last issue, the 90-year-old Mr. Ald shared with interviewer ShaunClancy more memories of the many people with whom he worked at FawcettPublications. As we wind up this fascinating five-part discourse, Alddivulges more storiesand a few misgivingsfrom his publishingendeavors.

PCH.

SHAUN CLANCY: What happened to you after Fawcett terminatedtheir comics line?

ROY ALD: They transferred me to True Confessions magazine,where I worked with all women! [laughs] When the editor needed aquick story, Id go home and write one for him in one night. Themagazine would have its main storythe actual true storybutsome of the back-up features were fabricated, and whenever

[editorial director] Ralph Daigh found out aboutanything fictitious being used, there would betrouble. Since it was a reporting-type magazine,there wasnt the need for me to use a pseudonymlike I had done with the comics. I once wrote anarticle in True Confessions about a famous court trialinvolving a $500-a-night call girl named Pat Ward

who had dated a judge, and which became anational sensation. The issue sold very well and,because of the story, they not only reprinted theissue, but Fawcett also published a separate book onPat. She also became my companion. As a result ofher story being published, a large number of high-

class call girls in town tried to get me to do theirstoriesmany of whom I spent time with. They keptme busy but I never wrote a word! [laughs]

SC: Did you ever happen to appear in photographs for anyof Fawcetts magazines?

ALD: No, but when I ran a gymnasium in Manhattan,a German investor approached me about doing a

muscle/fitness magazine. When I later met with himabout getting a job writing for it, he asked me to take

off my shirt so instead of writing for it, I posed init! [laughs]

SC: After Fawcett, where did you go?

ALD: I had an office at St. John [Publications] inManhattan after I left Fawcett in 1954. I didnt do anywork for St. John; I just had rent-free space there towork on my own publications. One of them wascalled Photographers Showplace. The arrangement Imade with Archer St. John when I moved in therewas that they cover all the expenses of whatevermagazine I was doing at the time.

IsThisWhat I Want To DoFor The Rest Of My Life?

The ROY ALD Interview, Part 5 (Conclusion)Interview Conducted & Transcribed by Shaun Clancy

Edited by P.C. Hamerlinck

Ald Acquaintance(Left:) After Fawcett ditched their comics line, Ald transferred over to True Confessions andmade his mark on that top-selling Fawcett magazine before going out on his own. Above is

the cover of the July 1948 issue, released several years before his tenure with the publication.

(Top right:) Ald at the Fawcett offices in 1947, with fellow comics department co-workers BobLaughlin and (on left) Virginia Ginny Provisiero in a cropped photo, which was seen in its

entirety back inA/E #104. Photo courtesy of Len Leone.

(Right:) As detailed in a recent issue, Roy Ald was a U.S. Army Intelligence officer prior tobecoming a comic book editor at Fawcett Publications in 1946. Photo provided by Glenn Ald.

[ 2012 the respective copyright holders.]

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SC:Bernard Baily hadworked with you on

PhotographersShowplace.

ALD: Bernard was my artdirector.

SC: So you had met him during your time at Fawcett?

ALD: Yes. Bernard was a friend of mine, and I hired him to handlethe art and layout; I would do everything else. The well-knownphotographer ArthurWeegee Fellig was also apersonal friend ofmine for years, and he was my photo editor. I did a book with himin 1959 called Weegees Creative Camera.

SC: Did you keep in touch with anyone fromFawcett after you left, besides Bernard Baily?

ALD: I stayed friends with Wendell Crowleyand Ray Cohan.

SC: How long did youhave an office at St. John?

ALD: I published several magazines fromthere, so longer thana year.

SC: When you got your space at St. John, theywere just getting out of comics.

ALD: [laughs] I had no idea they had donecomics! And they never knew that I had

worked in comics.

SC: How would you describe Benard Baily?

ALD: Bernard was very straight, veryfriendly, and a person that, I believe, felt thathe deserved something better out of himselfthan what he was doing. He and his wifehad a wonderful relationship. I think hemay have said some things about me to hiswife, because I dont think she thought verykindly of me. Im glad he got back intocomics, because I felt badly for him when hewas doing girlie magazines I was so glad

that I got away from it. At thetime, I didnt even like what I

was doing with comics, True Confessions, etc. I had no respect for it.

SC: Was that one of the reasons why you would use a fictitious namewhen writing books?

ALD: No, that had nothing to do with it. It was just a way to getmore assignments. I was one person at one publisher, and anotherperson at another publisher. You needed to do that if you wantedto work at several places at once.

SC: Do you recall anything else about workingwith Benard Baily?

ALD: I remember while working onmagazines at the St. John office, sitting therewith Bernardand each day wed hear fromwhat was called a celebrity-locatingservice, whod inform you where all thecelebrities were at the moment whichhotels they were staying at, phone numbersto contact them, and so forth. I picked upthe phone once to make a call when astartled Benard heard me say, Mr.Hitchcock? I was talking to Alfred

Hitchcock, and I said, You know, youredoing so well on TV that you should have amagazine. And he said, [imitatingHitchcocks voice] Do you want to do it? ofwhich I replied, Yes! Then he said, If yougive my daughter an editorial job for$15,000 a year, then you may do it. Thatwas, of course, manageable, so I acquiredthe rights and knew I had a valuableproperty.

SC: So you just cold-called him?

ALD: Yes The locating service had told me

Naked City(Far left:) One of the publications

Ald produced after leaving Fawcettwas a girlie-type magazine calledPhotographers Showplace; here's

the cover of the 4th issue, from Nov.1957. Alds art-directing

collaborator during this period was

Spectre/Hour-Man co-creatorBernard Baily, whom Ald had metand befriended while Baily

illustrated crime, romance, andhorror comics at Fawcett during

the 50s.

(Left:) Bailys cover for FawcettsBeware! Terror Tales #2 (July 1952)

edited by Roy Ald.

(Inset:) Arthur Weegee Fellig, thefamous photographer known for

capturing grisly street scenes fromNYCs Lower East Side during the30s and 40s, was another Aldfriend/collaborator who joined

forces with him as his photo editor.

Ald later did a book with thephotojournalist. [ 2012 the

respective copyright holders.]

Suspense In PublishingAfter a simple phone call to renowned film

director and Master of Suspense, AlfredHitchcock, Roy Ald was the first person to securethe rights to do a Hitchcock magazine but he

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