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06-29-2004, 09:03 PM #1 (permalink
Justin726Andy Bell is my hero.
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A guide for learning wheelies.
This was posted on the old SBN message board. It was
posted by f4rider. It's a really good read and covers some
good stuff such as bike set-up and different techniques. I
hope this helps some people out.
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Following this advice wont keep you from crashing, getting
hurt, and breaking stuff; but it will, most likely, help you
learn faster while crashing less often than if you figure
everything out on your own.
Bike setup for wheelies:
Oil: Many bikes will become oil starved when riding long
wheelies, and doing 12 o-clock wheelies. Gixxers and CBR
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900s ('93-'95 893cc model) are the most notorious for this.
To keep the bike from becoming oil starved, either move
the oil pickup in the oil pan back, or overfill the oil. Myself,
and some others on this forum, run 1 quart over. Overfilling
doesn't seem to cause any problems with Hondas, but I
have read of problems with Gixxers as a result of this. So
the best thing for a Gixxer would probably be to modify the
oil pickup. I've read about some companies that sell
aftermarket oil pickups. People can buy modified oil pickups
for Gixxers from www.stuntex.com
Gears: For learning, gearing the bike down is unnecessary.
Almost every sportbike will wheelie in first gear without any
problem (maybe the ex250 is an exception). Also gearing to
make second gear come up easier is kind of pointless
because it just becomes more like first gear with big
sprockets. If it doesnt wheelie in first gear, it isnt the
bikes fault. For the most part, gears are unnecessary until
you are ready to learn highchairs (on a weak 600), no
throttle hand wheelies, and circles.
Tires: When doing high-speed wheelies make sure you have
a good rear tire. A tire with a flat spot in the middle can
cause wobbles. I learned wheelies on a rear tire that was
almost down to the cords in the middle, and it would often
wobble like crazy when doing balance point wheelies. A new
tire almost completely eliminated that problem. Run the tire
pressure lower than stock. For doing wheelies above 20
mph, have the tire pressure between 20 and 30psi. For
doing wheelies slower than 20 mph, lower the pressure to
between 12 and 20. 18-20 psi makes for a good all around
psi. Lower tire pressure makes the wheelie more stable from
side to side.
Tip over sensor: Most (or all, Im not sure) bikes with fuel
injection have a t ip over sensor. This can c ause the bike to
shut off when riding wheelies high. This should be disabled.
For Hondas this can be done by cutting the wires going intothe sensor, connecting the two outer wires, and leaving
the middle one hanging. For Gixxers, that method doesnt
work. The brass ring in the sensor must be removed, or
immobilized with something such as silicone.
Steering Damper: While it isnt imperative that you have a
steering damper for doing wheelies, it might save your ass.
If you come down from a wheelie with the front wheel
crooked, it could cause a tank slapper. This shouldnt be a
problem, though; if you make sure the front wheel is strait
when you put it down.
Exhaust pipe: If learning 12s, the pipe may have to beshortened. The stock pipes on some bikes touch the ground
at about the same time as the tail when doing a 12 o-clock
wheelie. If the pipe hits the ground, it may cause you to
crash. My friend just went down a week ago because of
this. The pipe can be shortened by simply cutting a few
inches off the end of the pipe, and then re-welding / re-
riveting the end of the pipe back on. Short pipes can also
be bought from www.starboyz.com.
Cage: In the process of learning to ride wheelies good, you
will most likely drop your bike. Crash cages provide the bes
protection. All of these cages will most likely save you a lot
of money if you crash, but none of them will completely
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protect your bike in every crash. Here is a list of some
crash cage websites in no particular order.
MXD cages http://eclipsebusiness.net/mxdcages.com/
Racing 905 Cages http://www.racing905.com
Powers Cages http://www.powersbikeworx.com/
Freestyle Ingenuity Cages
http://www.freestyleingenuity.com/
Wicked Crew Extreme Team's Cages
http://cantcuffus.com/cages_pics.htm
12 bar: Install a 12 bar if you plan on learning 12s. Therewas some debate as to whether or not to learn 12s with a
12 bar. I learned 12s with a bar and didnt have any
problems. You just need to be more careful because a bar
is less forgiving than plastic. However, I think tail sections
cost way too much to smash on purpose. You can buy 12
bars from Racing 905 or Freestyle Ingenuity. They are also
pretty simple to build yourself, at a fract ion of the cost.
Protection: Wear a helmet, jacket, jeans, and gloves if you
dont want to get messed up.
Before riding wheelies on a bike:
If you have access to a quad, a dirt bike, or a fiddy, learn
wheelies on that f irst. What you learn about throttle
control and the balance point will help you in learning to
ride a wheelie on a bike. If youre ready to learn on a bike
then: 1. Make sure the rear brake works and adjust the
lever to a comfortable height. 2. There should be 1in. of
play in chain slack. A chain too tight or too loose will wear
out the chain and sprockets faster than normal. 3. Make
sure there are no cracks in the foot pegs, and make sure al
of the bolts are tight. 4. I also recently found out from
experience that taking the throttle assembly apart and
greasing everything can help in making hwy wheelies
smoother
Speed and riding position for learning wheelies:
I recommend that beginners learn wheelies if first gear. It is
easier to launch the wheelie in first gear, and there is more
engine breaking in first gear. This means that you can ride
a wheelie higher without the danger of looping it. It also
hurts much less and breaks less stuff when you crash in
first gear. For that reason I don't think it is a good idea to
do high-speed wheelies, until using the brake is second
nature. It is also much easier to go from riding out first gea
wheelies to second gear wheelies than vice versa. The only
downfall to learning wheelies in first vs. seconds is that the
wheelie wont be as smooth. The throttle will feel much
more sensitive. I think fifteen mph is a good speed tolaunch wheelies while learning; any slower and the wheelie
may feel unstable to a beginner. I also recommend learning
wheelies standing up with the left foot on the passenger
peg, and the right foot on the front peg, covering the
brake. While it may feel awkward at first to wheelie while
standing, it will be easier after you get used to that part.
Most people think it is easier to balance and control a
wheelie standing up vs. sitting down. It is also easier to
launch the wheelie from standing up.
Why clutching wheelies is the best method for launching
wheelies
Clutching is by far the best way to get wheelies up,
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regardless of whether the bike has enough power to power
it up. While it does wear out clutch plates a little faster
than normal, the difference is not significant. I also have
never read about any major problems as the result of the
extra tension on the drive train. There are many
advantages to clutching wheelies vs. powering wheelies. 1.
It allows you to wheelie bikes that dont have enough
power to power it up. 2. You can wheelie at lower rpms,
and therefore slower speeds. This allows beginners to keep
a wheelie up longer, with out being at the balance point. 3.
The launch is more predictable. When powering a wheelieup, the front end comes up relatively slow. Then when the
front end is about 3 feet off the ground, the front end
jumps up very fast under full throttle, making for a scary
and unpredictable launch. When clutching up wheelies right
the front jumps up close to the balance point. From there
you just play with the throttle to fine adjust the height.
After a litt le practice, clutching becomes very predictable
and not frightening at all. 4. All of the pros that I know of
clutch every wheelie. You want to be like them dont you?
How to clutch wheelies:
There are a couple different methods for clutching
wheelies. I prefer the second method.
Method 1: First accelerate with the clutch engaged. Then,
with the throttle still opened, pull in the clutch with one
finger, to the point where the clutch disengages. With the
engine still under throttle, quickly let the clutch back out as
the tach is rising.
Method 2: Close the throttle, and then pull the c lutch in all
the way, with one finger. Then twist the thrott le and dump
the clutch.
When learning to clutch, only rev up the engine a little bit
at first before lett ing out the clutch. This will give you the
feel for clutching. Then gradually increase the rpms before
dumping the clutch, until the front end jumps up close to
the balance point. Reduce the throttle as the front end
comes up to the balance point. If it c omes up too far,gently push the rear brake to bring the bike back forward.
When clutching second and third gear wheelies, the bike
may need extra help, depending on what bike it is. If
clutching alone doesnt get the wheelie up, then bounce at
the same time. This is done by pushing down on the bike
(with your arms and legs) at the same time you open the
throttle, and then leaning back slightly when dropping the
clutch. It is not a good idea to pull on the bars. Pulling up
on the bars may cause the wheelie to come up funny and
wobble.
Shifting gears:I dont recommend shifting gears during a wheelie unless
you are good at wheelies, and are able to use the clutch in
the process. Otherwise, shifting during wheelies is hard on
the transmission. It is also hard on the fork seals if you miss
a shift. My advice is to learn to ride wheelies at a constant
speed. Then there will be no need to shift.
How to set a wheelie down:
When bringing down a wheelie, stay on the throttle until
the front end is safely on the ground. If it is necessary to
quickly bring down the front end, then close the throttle at
first. Then as the front is coming down, open the thrott le.
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In that way you will have a soft landing.
Step by step procedure to launch a wheelie for a beginner
1. Drop the tire pressure to about 15-20psi
2. Put the bike into first gear
3. Go about 15mph
4. Pull in the c lutch
5. Rev up the engine a little and drop the clutch
6. Repeat step 5, increasing the rpms, until the front end
comes up c lose to the balance point.
7. Reduce the throttle as the front end comes up to thebalance point.
8. Cover the rear brake.
9. Stay on the throttle as it comes back down.
Balancing the wheelie from front to back:
Balancing front to back is controlled by using the throttle
and rear brake. It is a good idea to learn this on a quad,
fiddy, or dirtbike first. If the wheelie is in front of the
balance point, you must increase your speed to remain at
that position. To get the wheelie back to the balance point
you must compensate with more throttle. This is the same,
only in reverse, when the wheelie is behind the balance
point. When behind the balance point, you must use the
engine breaking/ rear brake to bring it forward to the
balance point. The balance point is the position of the bike
in which it neither has to speed up or slow down to remain
at the same position. The height of the balance point is
affected mainly by the speed of the wheelie. The faster the
wheelie is, the lower the balance point. The balance point
is also slightly affected by the weight distribution of the
bike and the position of the rider. The object of riding a
balanced wheelie is to keep the bike as close as possible to
the balance point. This is done by rolling on and off the
throttle, and pushing the brake if needed. With practice
comes the ability to ride a smooth wheelie with out playing
with the throttle/brake much.
Balancing the wheelie from side to side:
Balancing sided to side is done by adjusting your body
position. It is a good idea to learn this on a dirtbike,
bicycle, or fiddy first. When riding wheelies over about
20mph, the bike will balance itself for the most part. It is
the slow wheelies that you have to consciously balance
side to side. The principle is pretty simple. Quickly lean the
same direction as the bike is falling. For example, if the bike
is starting to fall to the left, you would quickly lean to the
left. This movement would twist the bike towards the left,
thereby correcting it.
Preventing / stopping wheelie wobbles:From my experience, I think that high speed wheelie
wobbles can be caused by having a squared off rear tire,
not being smooth on the throttle, and/or making quick
movements. Slow speed wobbles seems to be caused by
high rear tire pressure, and/or not keeping the wheelie
balanced from side to side.
Steering wheelies:
To steer wheelies good, you need to either be at the
balance poing, or behind the balance point. To steer
wheelies, which are over about 20mph, you simply slowly
lean in the direction you want to turn. However, to turn
slow wheelies, you must first make the bike lean in the
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direction which you want to turn. For example, if you want
to turn to the right, first, slowly lean to the right. Then
quickly lean a little to the left / twist the handlebars a little
to the left. This will cause the bike to start to fall to the
right. Then, instead of completely correcting the lean, you
keep the bike leaning at that angle. This will cause the bike
to turn to the right.
Using the rear brake: Slowing wheelies down / 12s:
Wheelies are slowed down by riding the wheelie behind the
balance point. This is one of the hardest parts of learningto wheelie, not because of skill, but because of the balls
required. To learn how to use the rear brake, you basically
need to grow some balls, bring the wheelie up behind the
balance point, and tap the brake. Soon this process will
become second nature. To slow a wheelie down, you must
give the bike enough throttle to get the wheelie behind the
balance point. Now if you get scared and push the rear
break hard at this point, it will quickly bring the wheelie
forward without slowing it down much. To slow it down,
you must keep it behind the balance point by gently riding
the brake. To 12, you just do the same thing; only you get
off the rear break enough to allow the bike to lean back on
the tail. Unless you plan on parking a 12, make sure you ge
back on the brake before the wheelie slows down enough
to stall the engine.
Riding slow wheelies:
After you get good at slowing down wheelies, then you
should be able to ride slow wheelies out. First of all, turn up
your idle. I do slow stuff with the idle at 3.5k rpms. The
high idle allows you to ride slow wheelies much smoother.
Be careful, however, when first turning up the idle, because
you will have to use the rear brake, when going slow, to
keep from looping. When riding slow wheelies with the idle
high, with some practice, you should be able to ride the
wheelie by using the brake, and only blipping the throttle if
the wheelie starts to come down.
Once you have learned all of this, all of the wheelie
variations will pretty much be self-explanatory.
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feedback? :hello
Hey justin, could you edit that. People can buy modified
oil pickups for gixxers from www.stuntex.com (put in
paragraph 2). I also recently found out from experience
that taking the throttle assembly apart and greasing
everything can help in making hwy wheelies smoother.
So maybe you could add something about that to the
"before you ride wheelies on a bike" paragraph. There's
also a few typos .
08-21-2004, 09:43 AM #3 (permalink
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Nice directions, very helpful. I just guess I dont gethow dumping a clutch would be more stable then a
power wheelie.
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Very good, I have myself (I've been riding for 3 weeks
now) popped 2 wheelies with my ex 250 in 1st gear
though (both times by ac cident)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by f4riderfeedback? :hello
Hey justin, could you edit that. People can buy
modified oil pickups for gixxers from
www.stuntex.com (put in paragraph 2). I also
recently found out from experience that taking the
throttle assembly apart and greasing everything
can help in making hwy wheelies smoother. Somaybe you could add something about that to the
"before you ride wheelies on a bike" paragraph.
There's also a few typos .
Hey, I got that edited a bit. Thanks for all the tips. If you
ever want me to add something else, just PM me with what
you need added and I'll put it in.
If anyone else had some knowledge that might help
someone else out just post it up as a reply here. This
thread is for everyone to share their tips and tricks.
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shortyali0369500 G.P. Champion
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Okay, as I said I popped 2 wheelies by accident, and as
of late I have been actually TRYING to do them. Read
this and tried it.. didn't work, got advice from a friend
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who does them almost ALL the time.. didn't work. What
am I doing wrong? And I am trying without the popping
clutch, with the popping clutch...
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on you little ninja your going to have to go about 15
mph grab clutch rev it to redline and let go. it will come
up
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pc3 and exhaust could help that starver.
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must have mooore powah.
pc3 and exhaust could help that starver.
peace.
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doesnt have a ecu hers is carbed. and a pipe and pc
doesnt make that much of a diffence. its technique
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What's a Fiddy?
I do have one question about the stand up wheelies. If
you've got your right foot, on the right foot peg, and
your left foot on the passenger foot peg, won't you be
putting more weight on the left foot, and causing the
bike to be unbalanced to that side?
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a fiddy is slang for a 50cc dirtbike.
stagger step at first will seem uncomfortable at first bu
ppl seem to like it more since you have more balance
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I can see what you mean, but I guess what I don't
understand, is if you do it, you're going to have at least
75% of your weight, on the lower foot once the front
end comes up. Doesn't that unbalance the bike?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenaline junkieI can see what you mean, but I guess what I
don't understand, is if you do it, you're going to
have at least 75% of your weight, on the lower
foot once the front end comes up. Doesn't that
unbalance the bike?
Nope. It dosn't matter where your feet are, it matter's
where the center of your body's mass is. When you
stand on the pegs staggard, you put a little more
weight on the left peg, but you also pull harder on the
left c lip-on than the right.
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Is it really that vital to clutch wheelies instead of using
power? I have an 04 Gixxer 600 and I can bring it with
just the enine pretty good. I'm just t rying to learn to
ride them out now.
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Originally Posted by lucky7875Is it really that vital to c lutch wheelies instead of
using power? I have an 04 Gixxer 600 and I canbring it with just the enine pretty good. I'm just
trying to learn to ride them out now.
The main advantage of clutching up a wheelie is that you
can bring the front up at a slower speed, and when the tire
is up in the air, you sill have plenty of useable RPMs left to
work with and find the balance point to ride the wheelie
out. When you power up a wheelie, you have to be much
higher in the rev range to begin with, then you also use up
RPMs to power the bike up with, which doesn't leave you a
whole lot or RPMs left once the wheel is up. Plus, most
people feel that clutching up a wheelie is a lot more
predictable, controlable, and consistant than powering up awheelie.
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