2013-05-13 Whidbey Mtg Notes - US Navy Rear Admiral Mark Rich on OLF Coupeville

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"A question was asked regarding the viability of an alternative OLF in a more remote location such as Moses Lakes or Forks. Admiral Rich stated that the required distance from a main field is 50 nautical miles due to fuel and weather constraints- during FCLP, aircraft much complete their landings at a relative low weight (low fuel status) in order to stay within arresting weight parameters. Consequently, an OLF that is further out would significantly reduce the number of passes before needing to refuel. (It should also be noted that the 2005 Environmental Assessment specifies a 50 mile or less distance). Admiral Rich also stated that the Coupeville OLF is one of the best in the Navy- close distance to the main base and relatively low density around the airfield. He also stated that it would be exceptionally challenging to acquire a new OLF both financially and environmentally additionally, it would take a very long time, likely over 10 years (mid 2020s)."

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  • 25 May 2013

    Subject: Notes from the Whidbey Community Leadership Forum on 15 May 2013

    1. A Community Leadership Forum (CLF) was conducted on 15 May 2014- a list of attendees is shown on page 4.

    2. Key discussions and briefs:

    a) Introduction- New community and Navy members were introduced. b) Navy Region NW (NRNW) - Rear Admiral Rich, the NRNW Commander, commended the group for their engagement on key issues and provided a high level Navy update.

    c) Base Update- Captain Nortier provided a brief on key issues, base population, air operations, and success stories from the last meeting. A copy of this brief is provided in separate attachment.

    d) Educational Update- Brenda Kovach, Navy School Liaison Officer, provided an update on Navy and School partnership efforts.

    3. Comments and questions during the base brief:

    Ql. Sally Hintz: Regarding the new feedback line for noise complaints, will citizens be able to talk with base personnel as well? Al. CAPT Nortier: Yes, Jennifer Meyer, community planning and liaison officer, reviews all noise complaints on the following day and makes requested call backs. Additionally, the Operations Duty Officer (ODO) monitors call volume and will notify key base players if there is a trend which may indicate an 'out of pattern' issue.

    Q2. Commissioner Price Johnson: How does a citizen fmd out if a plane was in the right flight path after a call in? A2. CAPT Nortier- If an 'out of pattern' issue is suspected (typically due to multiple complaints), the ODO will contact the appropriate personnel including the OPSO and Landing Safety Officers. If necessary, air traffic tapes will be reviewed. Jennifer Meyer will provide appropriate call backs (as discussed in Ql). Q3: Commissioner Johnson: Is a 4111 of July flyover possible? If not, could the community pay for the fuel cost?

    A3: CAPT Nortier: Unfortunately and due to budget constraints, DoD made a decision that no flyovers are possible through fiscal year 2013. Regarding the cost, the total flying hour cost (fuel, repairs, recap) is very expensive and there is no DoD precedent to support reimbursement. Q4: Commissioner Price Johnson: What is the PPV occupancy percentage today and what level would trigger non-military personnel offers?

    A4: CAPT Nortier: Currently at 91% occupancy- by contract, occupancy below 95% triggers advertisement to non-active duty personnel.

  • 4. Comments during the Roundtable: Base Military Projections. At the meeting, updated projections, based on funded billets through the Navy's manpower syst-em, were provided as standard practice. Dr. Schulte stated that there was a drop in Navy student enrollment last year and asked if more detailed projections could be provided. The Base XO is looking at alternative data sources. Admiral Rich stated that it is difficult to obtain solid projections since orders have been delayed due to fiscal year funding constraints.

    Prowler Mishap. Dr. Schulte stated that communications from the San Diego based public affairs group to the district for the Prowler mishap could have been improved. Admiral Rich stated that key information was not initially releasable but that general information can be relayed through local P AO channels.

    FCLP requirements. Commissioner Emerson asked about the requirements for this training. CAPT Nortier stated that there is a prescribed number of successful day and night landings that are required within a short period prior to a carrier deployment. After the meeting, CDR W orra provided some additional information.

    Balancing flight ops at OLF. Commissioner Johnson asked if flight operations can be balanced at OLF between the two patterns. CAPT Nortier stated that the base works with the Electronic Attack Wing to balance field carrier landing practice between both (a Ault Field and OLF and (b) by pattern at both locations. There are constraints relative to this balancing including weather and runway status.

    Training importance. Rep. Norma Smith discussed the importance of training for naval aviators.

    Navy Band. Admiral Rich was asked about the availability of the Navy Band for local events. Admiral Rich stated that it is difficult to obtain travel funding in today's budget environment but that it is important to have Navy band engagement from a community outreach perspective.

    OLF Discussion. Admiral Rich discussed some of the concerns that have been raised recently through the media and citizen letters. A question was asked regarding the viability of an alternative OLF in a more remote location such as Moses Lakes or Forks. Admiral Rich stated that the required distance from a main field is 50 nautical miles due to fuel and weather constraints- during FCLP, aircraft much complete their landings at a relative low weight (low fuel status) in order to stay within arresting weight parameters. Consequently, an OLF that is further out would significantly reduce the number of passes before needing to refuel. (It should also be noted that the 2005 Environmental Assessment specifies a 50 mile or less distance). Admiral Rich also stated that the Coupeville OLF is one of the best in the Navy- close distance to the main base and relatively low density around the airfield. He also stated that it would be exceptionally challenging to acquire a new OLF both financially and environmentally-additionally, it would take a very long time, likely over 10 years (mid 2020s). Mayor Conard stated that the meetings with the CO and County Commissioner have been helpful in understanding the training requirements relative to the OLF noise complaints. She also stated

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  • that the Navy had adjusted flight operations twice over the past 2 years which helped significantly.

    Admiral Rich stated that the Navy is assessing the viability of conducting a Joint Land Use Study which would be funded through the Department of Defense and would help identify land-use compatibility with Navy training. Commissioner Price Johnson stated that she would support this study and that the Growler training has had an impact on farmers in the Central Whidbey area.

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  • 15 May 2013 Community Leadership Forum- Attendee List

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    Chamber of Commerce and Other . .. ' Slowik Jim President Oak Harbor Naly League y ,Nelson Ron Director Island County Economic Der y Reed Kathy Director Oak Harbor Chamber af y Hantilton Stephanie Director Anacortes Cltamber of * 'Eccles Lmda Director Couperille Chamber of *

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