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colport 19:57 @dailydenouement is celebrating her birthday this evening, whilst
hosting #ukedchat ! Go join her to discuss "Lesson observations"
dailydenouement 19:58 & also listening to the #LFC game! RT @colport: @dailydenouement
is celebrating her birthday this evening, whilst hosting #ukedchat !
leeandrewdunn 19:58
#UKEdChat is there a line between sharing practice thru observation
& using it to create an evidence base as part of the schools QA
process?
cleverfiend 19:59
We found lesson observations work best as part of a staff peer
coaching #ukedchat rather than QA observations by senior staff
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 19:59
RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat with @dailydenouement starts in five
minutes "Lesson observations: how do we get the most out ofthem?"
ukedchat 19:59 It's 8pm - time for #ukedchat with @dailydenouement "Lesson
observations: how do we get the most out of them?"
dailydenouement 19:59 Two minutes till #ukedchat starts: get your cuppa, brew or other
beverage at the ready....
missbrownsword 20:00 would really like to take part in #ukedchat properly tonight think it'll
be a good one, but have too much to do for tomorrow :(
dailydenouement 20:00
#ukedchat So tonight's topic is: lesson observations & how we can
get the best out of them. First qu: do you enjoy being observed &
why/not?
dughall 20:00
RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm - time for #ukedchat with
@dailydenouement "Lesson observations: how do we get the most
out of them?"
Janshs 20:01
@dailydenouement happy brthday! our sch is trialling pro forma
where focus is 'what learning took place' not 'what did tchr do'
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:01 I'm fortunate enough to be a frequent observer of colleagues as part
of my TLR & find it a great learning tool. #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:01 @cleverfiend #UkEdChat yeh I agree it's always best put that way -
nothing worse than an expected 'crit'
colport 20:01 Lesson observations from teachers (for CPD) are different than
observations by OFSTED (more critical) #ukedchat
dughall 20:01 Is it coincidence that Tuesday's #edchat was about observationstoo? http://bit.ly/cvWMdL #ukedchat
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jessward 20:02 @dailydenouement I usually enjoy being observed... sometimes like
a giving a performance that you rise to... #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:02 #UKEdChat by making sure the observer actually knows what they
are looking for ie trained and able to give feedback
john_at_muuua 20:02 @dailydenouement hate being observed... except by my own dept
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:02
Yes, I chose poll topics. RT @dughall: Is it coincidence that Tuesday's
#edchat was about observations too? http://bit.ly/cvWMdL
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:02 @colport i agree, but Ofsted observations are also CPD if the
feedback is used well enough #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:02
Depending on who the observer is and the true purpose of an
observation, can affect the CPD development post observation#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:03 Please remember to add the #ukedchat hash tag to your tweets for
them to be archived
dughall 20:03 I have always welcomed lesson observation. Found a different pair
of eyes and constructive feedback incredibly helpful. #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:03
#UKEdChat should observations be bi directional? NQT observing an
experienced teacher and vice versa? Maybe a buddy process
almost?
dailydenouement 20:03
I think I must be a masochist: I love it. Enjoy getting feedback RT
@john_at_muuua: hate being observed... except by my own dept
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:03
@Iris_Connect I totaly agree with that point! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:03
@Mallrat_uk You're a week late LOL #ukedchat
stevebunce 20:03RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm - time for #ukedchat with@dailydenouement "Lesson observations: how do we get the most
out of them?"
colport 20:03 Can anyone share a link to a positive classroom observation form to
be shared? #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:03 We try to get away from the 'official' observation and drop in to
each others' classes on a reg basis #ukedchat
Mallrat_uk 20:03 #ukedchat I have my final #NQT observation in two weeks with adifficult Y8 class.. Any behaviour management suggestions??
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Creativeedu 20:03
I think that comprehensive and helpful feedback is essential to
making lesson obs feel worthwhile no matter who's doing them
#ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:04 @Creativeedu #UkEdChat you've nailed it! I'm still waiting for
feedback from an observation that happened three years ago :( lol
Iris_Connect 20:04if observers enter with a pre-defined checklist of what they need tosee it can automatically discard any teaching talent & magic.
#ukedchat
dughall 20:04 @dailydenouement Didn't think there was anything suspicious. I
know it was a free vote :-) #ironic #edchat #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:04
RT @leeandrewdunn: #UKEdChat should observations be bi
directional? NQT observing experienced teacher and vice versa?
Maybe a buddy process?
colport 20:04
@daviderogers It depends on the individual observing you. I have
had both extremes, once very positive and supportive (1/2)#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:04 @colport Not a form, or link - we just have a chat over a cuppa at
the end of each day / week / drop in #ukedchat
ICanTeach_uk 20:04
RT @dughall: I have always welcomed lesson observation. Found a
different pair of eyes and constructive feedback incredibly helpful.
#ukedchat
dmchugh675 20:04 #ukedchat what is the purpose of observation? I firmly believe that
this is the first question schools ask.
EdTechUNcon 20:04
RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm - time for #ukedchat with
@dailydenouement "Lesson observations: how do we get the most
out of them?"
dailydenouement 20:04
Yes! RT @dughall: I have always welcomed lesson observation.
Found diff pair of eyes and constructive feedback incredibly helpful.
#ukedchat
Kenny73 20:04
@dailydenouement don't fear obs, but don't enjoy it. It's essential in
the same way as interviews, the dentist etc. Retrospective
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:04 that said, the best obs is when the observer treats the lesson as a
student, not a teacher. no pre-knowledge.#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:05 We ned to get away from the idea that an observation is one lesson
observed at set intervals and linked to PM #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:05
Do you sit down before your observation & decide what the focus is
going to be or just hand observer your lesson plan & start?
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:05 far too much observation is for form filling, not for the benefit of theobserver/observed #ukedchat
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Mallrat_uk 20:05
#ukedchat as an NQT I am used to being observed, don't mind as
long as observer can give ideas how to improve not just tell me I
need to!
colport 20:05 @daviderogers and one who nit-picked on any little error (wasn't
just me) #ukedchat (2/2)
Creativeedu 20:05 @colport if noone has one now I can put one up tomorrow for you
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:05 #UKEdChat don't see point of someone observing someone if they
don't know what good looks like
daviderogers 20:05 RT @dughall: I have always welcomed lesson observation. Found a
different pair of eyes and constructive feedback helpful. #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:06 @colport @Mallrat_uk absolutely, the conversation afterward ismore important than the obs itself #ukedchat #ukedchat #ukedchat
dmchugh675 20:06
#ukedchat are schools trying to impose a certain type of practice or
are they trying to identify strengths or weakness on a teachers
style?
dailydenouement 20:06
Yes, this is true RT @john_at_muuua: far too much observation is
for form filling, not for the benefit of the observer/observed
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:06
#ukedchat - rlly interested in ths topic . Observations - depends
entirely on the point of the observation. is it 4 oberserver or
observee?
john_at_muuua 20:06 RT @Nevagonnabslim: #UKEdChat don't see point of someone
observing someone if they don't know what good looks like
colport 20:06 @Creativeedu That would be good, sharing good practice through
#ukedchat
dughall 20:06 Now I work for the LA it definitely feels different when I teach a
lesson with observers! Much higher pressure! #ukedchat
Laura_987 20:06Think it's important to remember that is as much a learningexperience for the observer as the person being observed.
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:06
RT @leeandrewdunn: #UKEdChat should observations be bi
directional? NQT observing an experienced teacher and vice versa?
Maybe a buddy process almost?
colport 20:07
If you are not a school leader/inspector - Do you observe lessons to
pick up ideas or practice? #ukedchat
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dawnhallybone 20:07 when observing lessons - note down no times children smile and
teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:07 What is an observation for? - PM, support, learning from others,
trying new ideas, gaining new experiences, team teaching #ukedchat
didactylos 20:07 #UKEdChat every time I teach i get observed by a load of teachers
and others, I am so used to it now, frequency is important.
trees2066 20:07
RT @Laura_987: Think it's important to remember that is as much a
learning experience for observer as the person being observed.
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:07
@dughall I bet!! #ukedchat
colport 20:07 @Janshs Me too! Sharing examples would be good through the#ukedchat hash tag - will keep an eye open. Thank you
colport 20:08 @daviderogers The last lesson I observed for CPD was delivered by
@timrylands & that was a while ago now :-( #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:08 Mine doesn't teach ;-) RT @leeandrewdunn: #UKEdChat anyone
ever asked to observe their Headteacher?
daviderogers 20:08 When observing, make a map of teacher movements or note down
how much they talk and give as a % in feedback #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:08
RT @Iris_Connect: if obs enter w/ a checklist of wht they need 2 C it
cn automatically discard any teaching talent & magic.#ukedchat
OFSTED?
Flyingstartedu 20:08
Thurs night is really awkward for me to get online. Will have to
arrange a date with #ukedchat one week. Maybe someone can fill
me in?
dawnhallybone 20:08 very important for staff to 'learn' how to observe and coach - impt
skill for all which will only add to process #ukedchat
didactylos 20:08#UKEdChat today I did 5 hours with 5 adults watching me the wholetime. We are too much in the 'teaching occurs behind closed doors'
culture
leeandrewdunn 20:08
#UKEdChat anyone ever asked to observe their Headteacher?
dailydenouement 20:08
RT @dawnhallybone: when observing lessons - note down no times
children smile and teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it
#ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:08
RT @daviderogers: We ned to get away from the idea that an
observation is one lesson observed at set intervals and linked to PM#ukedchat
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daviderogers 20:08
RT @dawnhallybone: when observing lessons - note down no times
children smile and teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it
#ukedchat
Mallrat_uk 20:08 @dmchugh675 #ukedchat my school want us to all teach the same
way, they seem to look only for the negatives!
dughall 20:08RT @dawnhallybone: when observing lessons - note down no timeschildren smile and teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:08 #ukedchat observations can be evaluative or informative. Important
to decide the purpose before it happens
4goggas 20:08
Oh no! It's that ukedchat thing time.
daviderogers 20:09@colport But aren't all observations CPD? #ukedchat
Janshs 20:09
RT @dawnhallybone when observing lessons - note down no times
children smile and teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:09 RT @mwclarkson_pub: #ukedchat It's important to remember that
an observation isn't (or shouldn't be) a stick to beat you with
dailydenouement 20:09
Fab! RT @daviderogers: When observing, make a map of teacher
movements or note down how much they talk and give as a % in
feedback #ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:09 #UKEdChat We have regular Teach and Learn peer obs to share good
practice. This week's focus is Outstanding Lazy lessons
daviderogers 20:09 @didactylos How was the leaning / dynamics of the classroom
affected by having so many observers? #UKEdChat
didactylos 20:09 #UKEdChat if your teaching is always visible it will always aim to be
high quality and you forget people are watching you - sort of
Flyingstartedu 20:09
#ukedchat (as in fill me in with what I miss... not beat me up!)
DeputyHeadTeach 20:09 #ukedchat the key focus of all obs is progress students make.
Second to that will come other foci but these all support progress
mooshtang 20:09 This book has some interesting ideas for when being oberved
http://amzn.to/cgS5Jj #ukedchat
mwclarkson_pub 20:09 #ukedchat It's important to remember that an observation isn't (orshouldn't be) a stick to beat you with
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jessward 20:10 @dailydenouement hate Ofsted inspections where kids seize up
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:10
@daviderogers but not all CPD is good. #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:10RT @dmchugh675: @Nevagonnabslim so true. It's difficult to knowwhat a good lesson looks like. Maybe pupils are the people best
placed to decide. #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:10 @dailydenouement It's always surprising - I asked a col to do to me I
talked for 80% of the time! Doh! #ukedchat
Flyingstartedu 20:10
#ukedchat anyway that was just a flying visit! Gotta dash, let me
know if anyone wants to fill me in?! (Not explaining again, see
previous!)
daviderogers 20:10
RT @dawnhallybone: very important for staff to 'learn' how to
observe and coach - imp skill for all which will only add to process#ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:10 encourage student teachers to see a range of teachers teaching -
should be same for all staff #ukedchat
dmchugh675 20:10
@Nevagonnabslim so true. It's difficult to know what a good lesson
looks like. Maybe pupils are the people best placed to decide.
#ukedchat
mwclarkson_pub 20:10 #ukedchat I quite often see one or two teachers in particular and
always steal good ideas.
dailydenouement 20:10 @BAFDiploma Could you explain the Teach & Learn peer obs a bit
more? #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:10
Am I right in thinking that @IRIS_connect provides a method for
lesson observations via camera? May be more natural then?
#ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:10
Can u truly learn from an observation if u have not been able to see
it (watch it back) with yr own eyes what actually took place?
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:10
@BAFDiploma I love that tag! #UKEdChat
caroljallen 20:11
@didactylos #UKEdChat agree - teaching is interactive process,
accepted now that it is not single direction: excellent teaching is
organic
john_at_muuua 20:11 @jessward hence the argument that OFSTED should be embedded,
part of the school not an external imposition #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:11 I hate the focus on the 'lesson.' It needs to shift to the sequence oflearning across many lessons. Obs more often? #ukedchat
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isleofmandan 20:11
RT @dughall: I have always welcomed lesson observation. Found a
different pair of eyes and constructive feedback incredibly helpful.
#ukedchat
isleofmandan 20:11
RT @dughall: I have always welcomed lesson observation. Found a
different pair of eyes and constructive feedback incredibly helpful.
#ukedchat
colport 20:11 @daviderogers I suppose it depends on what frame of mind you go
into a session. I have learned from NQT ideas as well #ukedchat
RenZephyr 20:11
RT @dawnhallybone: when observing lessons - note down no times
children smile and teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it
#ukedchat
AyrshireGeog 20:11
RT @dawnhallybone: when observing lessons - note down no times
children smile and teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:11 #ukedchat what about the observations to gather evidence ofcapability! I hate doing those!
Creativeedu 20:11
Anyone else experienced staff member who thought they were
Outstanding and wouldn't listen until Ofsted said otherwise?
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:11 Is it always the same person who observes you? Do you ever get a
chance to observe them? #ukedchat
dughall 20:11 RT @dawnhallybone: encourage student teachers to see a range of
teachers teaching - should be same for all staff #ukedchat
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Catriona_O 20:12 #ukedchat purpose of observations need to be defined in advance.
Is it for observee improvemet or observer improvement?
john_at_muuua 20:12 observing a lesson starts with making the observed feel
comfortable, including the students #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:12 @john_at_muuua I agree - but all CPD provides learning whether
good or not :-) #ukedchat
BusyKez 20:12 #ukedchat best feedback I ever had was from a team taught buddy
lesson. Supportive, co-operative, productive.
Creativeedu 20:12 Really interested in the idea of 360 lesson obs, with teachers
observing HODs and vice versa #ukedchat 1/2
BAFDiploma 20:12 @daviderogers #UKEDChat The aim is to see lessons where thepupils are doing the bulk of the work
dailydenouement 20:12
Ah! The tumbleweed moment... had some of them! RT @jessward:
@dailydenouement hate Ofsted inspections where kids seize up
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:13 one HOD I worked with really made the process intimidating. THEM
and US. worst case scenario. #ukedchat
ATBespokeIT 20:13 I spend much of my time being observed now and it never feels like
Ofsted/monitoring observations but peer support. #ukedchat
didactylos 20:13
RT @busykez: #ukedchat best feedback I ever had was from a team
taught buddy lesson. Supportive, co-operative, productive.
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john_at_muuua 20:13 @daviderogers ha ha! yes... we learn from their mistakes :-)
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:13 @colport For sure - we learn from our PGCE bods all the time - in
fact , they are a great source of ideas #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:13 RT @john_at_muuua: observing a lesson starts with making the
observed feel comfortable, including the students #ukedchat
JaneDavis13 20:14 RT @colport: Lesson observations from teachers (for CPD) are
different than observations by OFSTED (more critical) #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:14 How could we change the observation process: could technology
play a part? Do any schools do filmed observations? #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:14 #ukedchat - think about how it would be if we NEVER saw insideeachother's classrooms
trees2066 20:14
RT @mbht1: school council observe with me & feedback - pupil
voice and they are so accurate. Know a good lesson when they see
one! #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:14 @john_at_muuua indeed! Or just think of something else ;-)
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:14 I always negotiate my role when observing -
support/judgement/ideas/team teach #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:14
@creativeedu If u watch yr own lesson bck 5 x's you will identify
different skills, talents, development areas each and every time
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:14 I do that just now @Creativeedu: But what if you went REALLY
radical and had STUDENTS acting as the observers? #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:15
Yes, about improvement RT @didactylos: #UKEdChat observation
must be about 'doing it even better next time' - the word even is
crucial
BAFDiploma 20:15@dailydenouement #ukedchat T&L observations are just used tospread good practice where we choose somebody else to obs and
be obs by.
Creativeedu 20:15
@Nevagonnabslim Oh wow - and how does it go? #UKEdChat
Nevagonnabslim 20:15
@dailydenouement we have iris in
tj007 20:15
Although not an official observation, I do like that SLT pop in for a
few minutes every so often to see the learning taking place.#ukedchat
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DeputyMitchell 20:15
Is it ok that as my answer is 'I'm not sure??' I sit back and listen to
what you are all saying? #ukedchat hope to take on board
discussions
leeandrewdunn 20:15 @Creativeedu #UkEdChat that's a great idea! Here's another:
anyone been observed as part of an interview for a new job?
john_at_muuua 20:15 @Nevagonnabslim some schools do that for teacher interviews.
students observe the candidates. #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:15 I try to spend time talking to the students in every obs I do - they
know the score :-) #ukedchat
didactylos 20:15 #UKEdChat observation must be about 'doing it even better next
time' - the word even is crucial
BAFDiploma 20:16 @dailydenouement #ukedchat T&L obs are do not inform PM theyare just a means of sharing ideas and prompting discussion.
bellaale 20:16 would love to have enough TIME to do more mutual obs with a few
chosen colleagues - but we have no framework for it #ukedchat
Flyingstartedu 20:16
@colport thanks very much for that! Only used 2 wearing
@flyingstartmag hat, trying 2 get into routine of whens best to
edutweet! #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:16 RT @didactylos: #UKEdChat observation must be about 'doing it
even better next time' - the word even is crucial
daviderogers 20:16 @tj007 That is a good point - they get a much better sense of what
goes on. We need to move away from the one off 'Obs' #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:16 When interviewing for a headship we always do an informal lesson
obs + ask students opinion #UKEdChat @leeandrewdunn
Mallrat_uk 20:16 @dailydenouement #ukedchat I got filmed on my PGCE, it was
amazing how many times I said 'ok so....'
mwclarkson_pub 20:16 #UKEdChat Who amongst us has ever taught in an 'observation
room' (e.g. one with a one-way mirror)?
dailydenouement 20:16
Could you explain for the semi-luddite? Cheers! RT
@Nevagonnabslim: @dailydenouement we have iris in classrooms
#ukedchat
trees2066 20:16 Important for staff to observe each other in an informal supportive
way - our teachers say this is the best CPD they have. #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:16 @Catriona_O horrible idea. Agree. but too often observations areused to control not support. #ukedchat
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caroljallen 20:16 #UKEdChat observing and interacting and teaching - all one process -
should not be confrontational or oppressive
ATBespokeIT 20:16
One of my big reasons for jumping ship was "monitoring" but
sharing is great. We are all magpies as teachers. Steal shiny ideas!
#ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:16The dialogue post obsshould be an exchange of views an objectivediscussion, a dialogue that turns into an iterative relationship
#ukedchat
caroljallen 20:17 @mallrat_uk #UKEdChat I flicked my hair back (got it cut after I saw
the film!)
trees2066 20:17 We trialled video observations with some teachers last year - most
critical observer is yourself. #ukedchat
Flyingstartedu 20:17 @colport and as it happens, Thurs are an ache, so I'll check that outat work tomorrow :) Thanks again #ukedchat
dughall 20:17 @dailydenouement Filmed observations happened on my PGCE in
Leeds 1990 I wasn't but my mate was. Really cringeful! #ukedchat
trudianns 20:17
#ukedchat obs are essential for all , CPD, peer coaching and
monitoring standards of teaching and learning if not there's little
improvement
john_at_muuua 20:17
are observations difference for BTs? #ukedchat
d1sxeyes 20:17 @Laura_987 even us little trainees have got a few good ideas, eh?
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:17
#UKEdChat a shame BSF got ditched, a number of schools were keen
on bigger learning areas that were team staffed - so much less
isolated
tj007 20:17
@Creativeedu Yes - i'm certainly more relaxed as it is hardly a
change from the norm (whereas I used to change style massively)
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:17RT @Mallrat_uk: @dailydenouement #ukedchat I got filmed on myPGCE, it was amazing how many times I said 'ok so....' >>>ol-not just
me then!
Catriona_O 20:17
#ukedchat observations that R observer focused = CPD 4 the
observer. Ones that R observee focussed + judgement & evaluation
4 the obervee
dailydenouement 20:17
Yes, v revealing process RT @Mallrat_uk: @dailydenouement
#ukedchat I got filmed on my PGCE it was amazing how many times I
said 'ok so....'
dughall 20:18 RT @ATBespokeIT: "We are all magpies as teachers. Steal shinyideas!" #ukedchat
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dailydenouement 20:18 I was filmed in my NQT year for an outstanding teacher course: it
was hugely valuable once I got over the shame! #ukedchat
janeyk419 20:18
RT @leeandrewdunn: #UKEdChat anyone ever asked to observe
their Headteacher? Doing so next week as part of school monitoring
period!
daviderogers 20:18 @d1sxeyes For sure - I would say some of the best ideas around and
a fresh perspective! #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:18 @Creativeedu #UkEdChat that's great I think it should happen more
it's a bit patchy up here in Scotland and depends on the school
dughall 20:18
RT @JaneDavis13: RT @colport: Lesson observations from teachers
(for CPD) are different toobservations by OFSTED (more critical)
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:18@john_at_muuua what's a horrible idea? #ukedchat
trudianns 20:19 RT @trudianns: @trees2066 how did staff take it? Would like to try
it with my staff #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:19
RT @trees2066: Important 4staff 2 observe each other in an
informal supportive way - our teachers say this is the best CPD .
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:19 Would it be valuable to do cross-phase observations with
primary/secondary colleagues? #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:19 #ukedchat iris - we use it ! Most love it! Videos and teacher uses
headfones we can speak to them while wotching the lesson
geraldhaigh1 20:19 Once out of College I wasn't once observed for the next thirty years.
Can't have been good for me or the children. #ukedchat
Ariellah 20:19 Obs should empower teachers- Check this model of "#Self-Study"
that includes teachers' Observation #ukedchat http://bit.ly/aMEKKj
bellaale 20:19 @d1sxeyes always found that, in mentoring PGCE students, I got
more out of it than they did! #ukedchat
jessward 20:19 @dughall @dailydenouement yes... PGCE video obs.. horrid but
useful! #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:19 @Catriona_O sorry... the sotught of NEVER being observed, the
idea of isolation. No one should teach alone. #ukedchat
didactylos 20:20
#UKEdChat are there other jobs done in private without being
observed by others as they happen....... ok, you at the back stopsniggering!
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Creativeedu 20:20
I think even the most excrucuiating obs experience can be made
positive if you learn something from it: FEEDBACK and FOLLOW UP
#UKEdChat
leeandrewdunn 20:20 @janeyk419 #UkEdChat don't make it too easy for them lol you
must have a good HT I know many who wouldn't allow it to happen!
Nevagonnabslim 20:20 #ukedchat for those asking about iris
http://www.enactnow.org/?page_id=6
daviderogers 20:20 RT @dughall: RT @ATBespokeIT: "We are all magpies as teachers.
Steal shiny ideas!" #ukedchat >> for sure! Why reinvent the wheel?
caroljallen 20:20
#UKEdChat Team teaching is an excellent way of combining
observation and increasing teaching energy in a lesson. Supportive
rather than x
Mallrat_uk 20:20 #ukedchat I am starting an outstanding teacher course next week,expecting observations to be a big part of it.. Looking forward to it!
john_at_muuua 20:20 RT @dughall: RT @ATBespokeIT: "We are all magpies as teachers.
Steal shiny ideas!" #ukedchat and steel shiny tweets! :-)
dughall 20:21
What do people think of those videos of sessions shown for CPD
often favoured by National Strategy. Useful 'observation'?
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:21
#ukedchat sorry I mean as we watch the teacher teach we give them
feedback thru headfones they are wearing to encourage
improvement
trudianns 20:21
@janeyk419 as HT I would welcome staff observing me #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:21
Do you think enough time is spent on giving feedback after
observations? Can often seem rushed as if the obs was end in itself
#ukedchat
janeyk419 20:21
#ukedchat I observe a LOT (am SLT) Best thing personally is how
much I learn, good and bad. Steal ideas and see things I do and
shouldn't!!
john_at_muuua 20:21
sharing with our peers is the best CPD. #ukedchat
SusanElkinJourn 20:21 @bellaale @d1sxeyes #ukedchat Yes I think the observer learns as
much as the observed, not least about other people's subjects.
SimonHorleston 20:21 Part of 1st assignment on national sen award is to team teach and
observe one another on the inclusive classroom checklist #ukedchat
trees2066 20:21
@trudianns Some staff obviously not keen but others up for it.
Trialled it with those who are keen for short periods. Useful!#ukedchat
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leeandrewdunn 20:21
@Mallrat_uk #UkEdChat good luck :)
leeandrewdunn 20:21
@Mallrat_uk #UkEdChat good luck :)
geraldhaigh1 20:21Except in assembly of course, where for 11 years I was closelyscrutinised almost every day by the whole staff and often parents.
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:21
@john_at_muuua #ukedchat - totally agree. Isolation is the enemy
of improvement ( Elmore) Too many good teachers teach in silos of
excellece
dailydenouement 20:22 Nah... #ukedchat is the best CPD ;-) RT @john_at_muuua: sharing
with our peers is the best CPD. #ukedchat
trees2066 20:22
A narrow focus on progress in 30-60 min period is not the most
effective way to judge a teacher's impact on children's learning#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:22 Should senior managers need permission to observe those they
manage? #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:22 RT @john_at_muuua: sharing with our peers is the best CPD.
#ukedchat
tj007 20:23
not tried it yet, but we have pupils traind 2 obs something specific
(we choose). Quite a few tchrs dont lk the idea of pupils obs
#ukedchat
trees2066 20:23
RT @trudianns: @janeyk419 as HT I would welcome staff observing
me #ukedchat < Admire ur stance - need 2 put myself through it!
#ukedchat
geraldhaigh1 20:23 @dailydenouement The feedback session must be timetabled and
unhurried, or there's misunderstanding and worry. #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:23
#UKEdChat what sounds more appropriate for the 21st Century?
Lesson Observation, teaching observation, learning observation?
Something else?
SusanElkinJourn 20:23 I worry that the presence of an observer changes classroom dynamic
so much that the observation is invalidated. #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:23
if have people in room not 'officially' observing e.g visitors/student
teachers always ask what they enjoyed & how they would imp
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:23 @dughall Oh My Gods... worst fake x-factor teaching around.
#ukedchat
trudianns 20:23@trees2066 I'll put the idea out and see what is said! #ukedchat
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daviderogers 20:23
@john_at_muuua Many would disagree though! #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:23
@john_at_muuua I don't think so #ukedchat
SusanElkinJourn 20:24@geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat Yes,I took 100s of assemblies too &certainly gets you used to being watched. Should it be part of
teacher training?
john_at_muuua 20:24
@tj007 should unqualified people observe us? #ukedchat
Laura_987 20:24
@d1sxeyes Always worth joining in with #ukedchat. Good
experience. People don't mind that we are training, that's the nice
thing.
dailydenouement 20:24 What do you feel about unplanned drop-in learning walk type ofobserving? So not formal obs but still being visited. #ukedchat
trees2066 20:24
@trudianns Let me know how it goes! #ukedchat
dughall 20:24
@caroljallen Agree about team/co-teachng #UKEdChat
john_at_muuua 20:24 RT @dailydenouement: Nah... #ukedchat is the best CPD ;-) sharing
with our peers is the best CPD. #ukedchat I stand corrected!
Creativeedu 20:24 @doughall I love them, we film and sell examples of outstanding
practice http://bit.ly/cLjJxr
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Creativeedu 20:25 As governors we are always told we have to make it clear we are
NOT observing when we watch a lesson! #UKEdChat
Catriona_O 20:25
#ukedchat best observations R focussed on 1 area LEARNING, eg
questioning/ time spent teachertalking/ lesson starters. Not nec
whole lesson
dailydenouement 20:25RT @geraldhaigh1: @dailydenouement The feedback session mustbe timetabled and unhurried, or there's misunderstanding and
worry. #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:25 @dailydenouement agreed there's alway a danger in that - it MUST
be a tool to drive continuous improvement #UkEdChat
daviderogers 20:26 @Creativeedu Should that be 'we are not judging you while we
observe your lesson'? #UKEdChat
Nevagonnabslim 20:26
RT @john_at_muuua: I once suffered an OFSTED where the
inspector last taught in 1960. I swear the local dustman would havebeen more insightful #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:26
Thought-provoking! RT @dmchugh675: #ukedchat I'd prefer to learn
by observing rather than being observed. Are obs really about CPD
or power?
Catriona_O 20:26 #ukedchat who is the best teacher in ur skool? Is it u? If so , wht do
u do 2 share wht u do. If not, how does that tchr shre wht they do?
d1sxeyes 20:26
RT @SusanElkinJourn: I worry that the presence of an observer
changes classroom dynamic so much that the observation is
invalidated. #ukedchat
dughall 20:26 @Nevagonnabslim @john_at_muuua Hehe! Agreed then :-)
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:26 Should lesson obs continue to be part of teacher accountability?
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:26
RT @SusanElkinJourn: I worry that the presence of an observer
changes classroom dynamic so much that observation is invalidated.
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:26 @dailydenouement #UKEdChat if it happens all the time its just part
of the ecosystem and fine, the sudden drop in - v threatening
jessward 20:27 @john_at_muuua last Ofsted I went through we had students
observers with them #ukedchat
bellaale 20:27 if a tree falls over in an un-observed lesson, does it make a
difference to the class's learning? #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:27 @geraldhaigh1 seen some people reject observations. Is that thefault of the person observing? (genuine question BTW) #ukedchat
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trudianns 20:27 @dailydenouement I think learning walks are essential, see it as,
should always give some sort of feedback though #ukedchat
jowinchester 20:27 RT @bellaale: I love being observed - am basically a big show-off!
#ukedchat [Like it? http://bit.ly/aPty4I ] < you star! :-)
Ariellah 20:27@dailydenouement Manage expectations and way feedbcakprovided (can use the "sandwich technique- Good/ Not so good/
Constructive) #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:27 not forgetting that we are observed daily by the ones that really
matter - impt to get their feedback too #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:27 How do people feel about this? RT @tj007: not tried it yet, but we
have pupils traind 2 obs something specific (we choose). #ukedchat
dughall 20:27
RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat best observations R focussed on 1 area
LEARNING, eg questioning/ time spent teachertalking/ lessonstarters. Not nec whole lesson
Iris_Connect 20:27
@dmchugh675 Proactively approached by the teachers encouraging
peer support and collaboration then definitely its about CPD.
#ukedchat
d1sxeyes 20:27
@SusanElkinJourn I could not agree more. Particularly with a
difficult class, particularly when the observer is the class teacher.
#ukedchat
SusanElkinJourn 20:27 @Creativeedu Don't think I understand the diff bet observing &
watching, then #ukedchat
CreativeSTAR 20:28 @caroljallen You took the tweet right out of my head re team
teaching. Building trust thro support makes a +ve diff #ukedchat
JaneDavis13 20:28
RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat best observations R focussed on 1 area
LEARNING, eg questioning/ time spent teachertalking/ lesson
starters. Not nec whole lesson
ianaddison 20:28 I don't make an effort in an observation (except ofsted/LA), if my HT
wants to see me teach, come in anytime #ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:28 @dawnhallybone How do you go about collecting that feedback, do
you just ask? #ukedchat
dughall 20:28 @john_at_muuua I've been observed and judged by an OFSTED lay
inspector who had *never* taught in his life. #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:28 Love it! RT @bellaale: if a tree falls over in an un-observed lesson,
does it make a difference to the class's learning? #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:28
RT @dawnhallybone: not forgetting that we R observed daily by the
ones that rlly matter - impt 2 get their feedback 2 #ukedchat >spoton!
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janeyk419 20:28 #ukedchat Our strongest staff are coaches and work with all. I'm not
bad on a good day but still will go to a coach to ask for advice!
Creativeedu 20:28 Essentially governors are not allowed to pass judgement as many
are untrained to do so and the unions don't like it! #UKEdChat
caroljallen 20:28 @dailydenouement #UKEdChat after years in a special school with
constant streams of visitors: multi prof; parents; vols etc just get on!
dailydenouement 20:28
RT @dawnhallybone: not forgetting that we are observed daily by
the ones that really matter - impt to get their feedback too
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:28
RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat best observations R focussed on 1 area
LEARNING, eg questioning/ time spent teachertalk/ lesson starters. > teeth presumably?!!! :))
daviderogers 20:37 @AlisonCooperVA There will be more - I had one this week - but you
bounce back #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:37 @geraldhaigh1 does that crank up the intimidation? The
relationship with the observed is tantamount. #ukedchat
Mallrat_uk 20:37 @dailydenouement #ukedchat our school uses OFSTED criteria, at
the moment that because we are awaiting 'the call'!
Creativeedu 20:37
Am I alone in thinking the Observed and the Observer should be a
TEAM not enemies? Both working towards improvement?
#UKEdChat
janeyk419 20:38
#ukedchat @daviderogers for progress over time we look at data,
books and talk to kids being observed. not perfect but gives a
flavour.
dmchugh675 20:38
@didactylos it's already done through some assessment for learning
techniques such as KWL. Most important thing...did kids learn?
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:38
@Creativeedu you're not alone! #UKEdChat
Catriona_O 20:38 #ukedchat a collegiate approach to observations might just crack a
few capacity-building bottlenecks....cont...
Nevagonnabslim 20:38
@janeyk419 roflmao!! #ukedchat
dughall 20:38 @Laura_987 I survived to tell the tale! Have had a few outstandingssince :-) #ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:38 @colport I love it when they say 'cool lesson'. I once had ' that was
my best lesson ever!' from a Y6 child - great feedback :) #ukedchat
CreativeSTAR 20:38 #ukedchat Anyone have to model lessons for other teachers to
observe & join in? Thoughts?
daviderogers 20:38 @GaryAveryICT Outstanding progress in two lessons? Good that she
came back :-) #ukedchat
colport 20:38 @dailydenouement I personally carry on as normal, as the feedback
is more real to normal situations #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:39 #ukedchat ---if we get a system for sharing the best of what we
know WITHIN schools - loads of things might improve
Laura_987 20:39@dughall Clearly didn't do any lasting damage then ;) #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:39 @didactylos I can see that working with certain groups - very
interesting idea. I shall ponder on that - thanks #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:39 @janeyk419 That's reassuring, but does is that other data taken in
to account when feeding back during a lesson? #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:39 observations are not one way. everyone enters a classroom with an
agenda, and that must be open and clear, not hidden. #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:39
What happens aftr obs feedbk? Does that become iterative or left
until next obs? How do tchers capture effective feedback for dev
#ukedchat
BAFDiploma 20:39 @daviderogers @AlisonCooperVA #ukedchat Always will be never
worry about a bad lesson, just reflect and learn from it.
bevevans22 20:39 @didactylos That would be good. Some of my pupils might be a bit
young for that mind you #ukedchat
scholaforis 20:40 #ukedchat The time a squirrel flew yes flew through window and I
was asked to explain expletives to ESOL class (adult).. But still ..
Janshs 20:40 @dailydenouement always as normal - else false reactions from
students #ukedchat sorry forgot hashtag
colport 20:40 @bevevans22 Wow, that is saying something when it comes from a
Year 6 #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:40@Iris_Connect I ask to tape the feedback conversation #ukedchat
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Creativeedu 20:40 The best feedback should both build on exisitng stregnths and
identify areas for improvement #UKEdChat
lisacov19 20:40
RT @dailydenouement Do you feel pressure to put on a 'show' for
obs lessons or do you just carry on? #ukedchat
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daviderogers 20:42
@janeyk419 Nice! #ukedchat
tj007 20:42 RT @daviderogers: @Iris_Connect I ask to tape the feedback
conversation
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john_at_muuua 20:43
RT @Iris_Connect: @creativestar great idea, the best teaching
resources is quite often located in their own school! #ukedchat in
other depts
CreativeSTAR 20:43 @dughall It was a wonderful wake up call & has kept me grafting
ever since! #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:43@colport It was stop motion animation & a very hands on lessonthat lasted all morning. Plus they got to watch the Clangers
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:43
RT @lisacov19: RT @dailydenouement Do you feel pressure to put
on a 'show' for obs lessons or do you just carry on? #ukedchat >Totallyagree!!
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BAFDiploma 20:45
@dailydenouement Our T&L Obs are encouraged to be cross-
curricular as much as poss. Love seeing Chemists blowing
themsleves up! #ukedchat
ATBespokeIT 20:46
#UKEdChat My favourite pointless feedback was 'there were 2
children in a slight blind-spot' as the only comment on a feedback
sheet!
dughall 20:46
@KnikiDavies Excellent! Hysterical! #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:46
@dailydenouement Get them 2 judge U using their obs criteria -
usually leads 2 interesting conversations & breaks dn the barriers
#ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:46
@tj007 video&reflective annotations can work vy well, as u can visit
each reflective comment toa point intime. Contextual learning
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:46 Ofsted look for WHAT students are learning, HOW they are learningit & the RATE at which they are learning #UKEdChat
Nevagonnabslim 20:46
@john_at_muuua #ukedchat I will be honest! say I'm not changing
anything but then I pull out all the tricks! But can do cos class
trained!
dailydenouement 20:46 Glad you didn't!RT @didactylos: #UKEdChat I did say I'd just lurk in
this one...... duh, lol.
daviderogers 20:46 @dailydenouement Get them to observe as many others as
possible, even at diff sch if possible #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:46 @dailydenouement #UkEdChat I'm secondary and no, not often but
I would encourage it as part of rich diverse curriculum improvement
KnikiDavies 20:46
@dughall I was once about to be obs when another teacher steered
an ill child into my room, they threw up on the floor then left!
#ukedchat
dughall 20:46 @CreativeSTAR Yes, every teacher has something others
could/should learn from. #ukedchat
janeyk419 20:47#ukedchat What does good feedback look like? Verbally andwritten? how many have whole school lesson obs feedback sheets?
Any VG examples?
didactylos 20:47
RT @catriona_o: #ukedchat in Scotland been pioneering Learning
Rounds - teacher medical rounds. They totally rock!
http://bit.ly/aB1Ti9
Nevagonnabslim 20:47
RT @Creativeedu: Ofsted look for WHAT students are learning, HOW
they are learning it & the RATE at which they are learning
#UKEdChat
Mallrat_uk 20:47
@dmchugh675 #ukedchat yep you def get some interesting
things..'Miss that wo shit',or 'miss do you have to shout'! But youget nice ones to!
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dughall 20:47 RT @ukedchat: An amazing #ukedchat this evening. Great engaging
chat - Just over 15 minutes remain
daviderogers 20:47 @KnikiDavies Classic! How much did you pay them to do that ;-)
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:47
@Nevagonnabslim I need to observe you then! :-) #ukedchat
CLOSECLOSE 20:47 #ukedchat we observe yr groups together and give feedback
together me in one class 30 mins cookware next class then swap.
caroljallen 20:47 @catriona_o #UKEdChat another idea is presenting case study to
peers for group support on targets and methodologies
grahamcullen 20:47
@dailydenouement you've got to be honest but supportive. Make a
fuss over their strengths but be clear about weaknesses too.#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:48
@KnikiDavies Nice :) Just what you wanted to happen!!!! #ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:48
#UKEdChat HMIe / LA QIO and school based observation - is there a
clear distinction? Perhaps there shouldn't be one? Support or
challenge?
chris_1974 20:48
#ukedchat hello. Observers need to know context. 2 in my team last
yr had external obs, and it was suggested we were pitching too low
at..
Nevagonnabslim 20:48
@john_at_muuua bring it on lol #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:48
@dawnhallybone Sure am - sponsor my tash for Prostate Cancer
Charities http://uk.movember.com/mospace/895840/ #ukief10
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:48
RT @colport: My worst obs moment was during OFSTED - I turned
on IWB, pupils says "gosh, we've not used that for ages" - She was
joking #ukedchat Yours?
Iris_Connect 20:48RT @dailydenouement: I'm mentoring a PGCE student for first time -any tips for their lesson observations? focus/feedback etc?
#ukedchat
tj007 20:48
@dailydenouement I do feel pressure to show excellent use of
technology in a lesson (as I'm seen as 'that type of person')
#ukedchat
colport 20:48
My worst obs moment was during OFSTED - I turned on IWB, pupils
says "gosh, we've not used that for ages" - She was joking
#ukedchat Yours?
dughall 20:49
@dailydenouement Agree focus before hand. Have a 3 stars & wish
approach to feedback. Relate feedback to focus. Be supportive.#ukedchat
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colport 20:49 @kekkelkekkel @Creativeedu She was joking, but the inspector
noted it! LOL #ukedchat
chris_1974 20:49
#ukedchat actually it was grade c/b students with sine and cosine
rule - A/A* topics. Def not pitching low. Cleared up in conversation
after
KnikiDavies 20:49@daviderogers It was just before observer arrived.Think I shouldhave got a medal for carrying on!other teacher hugely apologetic!
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:49 @chris_1974 do you have moderation meetings for lesson obs?
#UKEdChat
Catriona_O 20:49 #ukedchat - obsevations R totally KEY 2 collegiality! why wld U want
2 keep genius 2 yourself? why wld u not want 2 C genius in action?
janeyk419 20:49
#ukedchat Normal circumstances=scared of wasps. Ofsted in
room=hit with a book and say "it's just a wasp". Move on. Andbreathe!
daviderogers 20:49
I once got negative feedback as I should have used a different colour
board pen. As a geographer I should have been prepped :-)
#ukedchat
tj007 20:49
@IRIS_Connect @daviderogers Makes perfect sense to record and
annotate - I have a tablet PC with onenote, making the job easy!
#ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:50
What was your best observation? #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:50 RT @Creativeedu: @chris_1974 do you have moderation meetings
for lesson obs? #UKEdChat >> no but we have joint observations
john_at_muuua 20:50 @colport A week of OFSTED observations where I was never seen!
not once. But was never told they didn't need to see me! #ukedchat
AlisonCooperVA 20:50 @BAFDiploma @daviderogers he was happy today as the same class
were as good as gold #ukedchat
dailydenouement 20:50My best obs moment was final obs on GTP: "Miss always does greatlessons" pipes up worst troublemaker as he passed my inspector!
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:50
@KnikiDavies Medal def deserved! #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:50
@tj007 Nice! Which tablet out of interest? #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:50
RT @janeyk419: #ukedchat Normal circumstances=scared of wasps.
Ofsted in room=hit with a book and say "it's just a wasp". Move on.And breathe!
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DeputyHeadTeach 20:51 @Creativeedu #ukedchat learning is being observed.everything else
is the scaffold to achieve this.
CreativeSTAR 20:51
@tj007 Yes. I'm similar re outdoor learning & being observed. I get
asked to model OL by schools on subjects & themes chosen CTs
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:51
@AlisonCooperVA Sweet! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:51
Joint observations seem like a really important opportunity to learn
and benchmark but = more intimidating for the observed?
#UKEdChat
colport 20:51
@john_at_muuua Ooh, that sounds like mental torture #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:51@dailydenouement How much was the bribe ;-P #ukedchat
CLOSECLOSE 20:51 #ukedchat look for learning. The last questions should be what's the
teacher doing to help / hinder learning?
chris_1974 20:51 @daviderogers @Creativeedu not meetings as such. Would be quite
interesting to. May suggest it. #UKEdChat
daviderogers 20:51 If a lesson is not going very well, I often leave the room for a few
mins then return. Often gives the tchr time to compose #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:51
@Nevagonnabslim love that lol and done similiar! #ukedchat
philallman1 20:51 Worst obs was using 'My World'. Ch asked by insp. y hvnt U put it on
the grey bit? 'Cos that's a road, dont U know anythng! #ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:51 Does anyone get to observe in other schools? Sometimes you get
locked into the ethos of your school. #ukedchat
chris_1974 20:51 @Creativeedu sometimes. 2 yrs ago I did joint obs with DH as part of
my prof lrng. SLT did with joint obs w/ ofsted last yr #UKEdChat
janeyk419 20:51
@dailydenouement #ukedchat Do staff think it's valuable? Would
love to find a forum to share these. Ours works but is far too
detailed!
caroljallen 20:52 @garyaveryict #UKEdChat I do and it is a privilege - I feel that I
always learn more than I offer!
BAFDiploma 20:52
@GaryAveryICT Really lucky that I get to teach in another school as
part of the consortium arrangements for Diploma #ukedchat. Newethos
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dailydenouement 20:52 To sum up in last 5 mins: why should we embrace lesson
observations? #ukedchat
y3teacher 20:52
@dailydenouement Behaviour man is really important @ the
beginning. They need to show that they are 'comfortable' in the
classroom #ukedchat
daviderogers 20:53 I once took my HT along for the ride as I held an impromptu outside
learning lesson when they wanted to obs #ukedchat
dughall 20:53 @GaryAveryICT Visiting other schools is one of the greatest joys and
privileges of my job. #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:53 Please can I encourage you to read my new daily digest of ed blogs
& send me links http://bit.ly/8XXzEj #UKEdChat
LightEmitting 20:53
Did a pupil pursuit for my #pgce the other week. Followed 1 child
around for a whole day. Loved observing lessons outside my dept.#ukedchat
caroljallen 20:53 @dailydenouement #UKEdChat because teaching and learning are
social activities, not to be hidden in closed rooms!
GaryAveryICT 20:53 @dailydenouement Well, I think the observers can get more out of
it then the observed #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:53 #ukedchat - we seem to have reached a consensus where obs can be
seen as either evaluative or informative. ( I prefer the latter!)
CreativeSTAR 20:53
@GaryAveryICT Yes I do and it's very interesting. I'm vvv lucky &
appreciate this opportunity to see other schools & teachers
#ukedchat
tj007 20:53
@daviderogers The infamous HP TouchSmart TX2 (reasonable
battery, good size easy to use tablet, but runs hot enough to cook
with!) #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:53 #ukedchat during an obs ever whispered to a student I will make ur
life a misery if you don't behave NOW! I have !! It worked!
dailydenouement 20:53 RT @dailydenouement: To sum up in last 5 mins: why should we
embrace lesson observations? #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:53 @dailydenouement we should only embrace them if they are there
to support, not bash. #ukedchat
cleverfiend 20:53
I once had an EBD group throw pencil at inspector and all downed
tools half way through lesson and that was that. How I cringed
#ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:54
@colport yes. my dept had bn seen on a 'project ofsted' 6 months
earlier 4 a week. It made sense but was bloody rude not 2 tell us#ukedchat
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janeyk419 20:54
#ukedchat Embrace because feedback from peers and kids is how
we make ourselves better and learn from others. Share ideas. Get
+ve crtitcism
damoward 20:54
RT @dughall: @dailydenouement Agree focus before hand. Have a 3
stars & wish approach to feedback. Relate feedback to focus. Be
supportive. #ukedchat
chris_1974 20:54When we have dept T&L Audit I tell team its chance ot show thebest of what we always do. Don't do radically diff or kids notice!
#ukedchat
daviderogers 20:54 @Catriona_O I agree with you but do think that there is a need and
place for both #ukedchat
didactylos 20:54 #UKEdChat we should embrace lesson observation as we all want to
get better and its a good way of doing that - but its FOR US!
Mallrat_uk 20:54 #ukedchat best obs: my NQT mentor left to get head of physics in tosee my lesson and how I had structured it.
BAFDiploma 20:54 @dailydenouement Embrace them as it is one of those rare
moments that you have time to reflect on own practice #ukedchat
tj007 20:54 last 5 minutes already? I wish observations went this fast!
#ukedchat
colport 20:54
If you have a good, positive example of a lesson observation sheet,
please share it within the #ukedchat over the next few days. Thank
you
philallman1 20:54 Best obs was RE lesson where I used narrative to inspire kids. They
were buzzing as they went out! Really brilliant feeling. #ukedchat
jessward 20:54
@dailydenouement obs by AST... used 3 differentiated video clips
(demos of me playing keyboard). Kids had to choose one vid as L.O
#ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:55
@IRIS_Connect still have video tapes .. not viewed yet :) #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:55 @tj007 thats great become a really powerful development tool!
#ukedchat
Ariellah 20:55
Observations that incl feedback are part of Life long learning RT
@dailydenouement: why should we embrace lesson observations?
#ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:55 I don't like the stress but I am lucky that my feedback has really
helped me improve my teaching. #ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:55anybody tried just self observations at all? #ukedchat
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jamesmichie 20:55 #ukedchat Jumping in at the last min. Both observer & observee
need 2 c obs as PD not just a jumping through hoops exercise.
bluemoonjules 20:56
Ha! RT @john_at_muuua: RT @dughall: RT @ATBespokeIT: "We are
all magpies as teachers. Steal shiny ideas!" #ukedchat & shiny
tweets! :-)
CreativeSTAR 20:56 #ukedchat Observations are good cos feedback helps us all feed
forward
leeandrewdunn 20:56
RT @didactylos: #UKEdChat we should embrace lesson observation
as we all want to get better and its a good way of doing that - but its
FOR US!
Iris_Connect 20:56
@garyaveryict why not? :) #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:56 #ukedchat I always take risks in my obs, try stuff out - that way I willget truly honest/critical feedback.
john_at_muuua 20:56 observations should not cause stress. they should be so natural that
it's part of what we do, not confrontational. #ukedchat
Laura_987 20:56
@dailydenouement >> when you made decisions. What would go
through your mind in that situation etc. We choose our own focus.
#ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:56
@Iris_Connect #ukedchat yea and cringed
Nevagonnabslim 20:57 #ukedchat my summary would be observations are as good as the
observer!
Creativeedu 20:57 Treat every normal lesson as an observervation and every
observation as a normal lesson... #UKEdChat
leeandrewdunn 20:57
#UKEdChat thanks everyone - signing off...
Mallrat_uk 20:57RT @bevevans22: bottom line is that the obs gives us a platform tolearn from. If good ,can we replicate. If not, what can we improve
#ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:57 @IRIS_Connect the camera adds pounds.. :) but I think I will
#ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:57 @nevagonnabslim but now look at you! The best eyes to feedback
on your teaching can be your own! :) #ukedchat
didactylos 20:57
#UKEdChat another brilliant one, that I didn't think I'd enjoy that
much (daft assumption) but HIGNFY is about to start so time tosneak out
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dailydenouement 20:57 RT @CreativeSTAR: #ukedchat Observations are good cos feedback
helps us all feed forward
bevevans22 20:57 bottom line is that the obs gives us a platform to learn from. If good
,can we replicate. If not, what can we improve #ukedchat
trudianns 20:58
great #ukedchat tonight lots of thoughts tot ake away :)
Iris_Connect 20:58
RT @jamesmichie: RT @Creativeedu: Treat every normal lesson as
an observervation and every observation as a normal lesson...
#UKEdChat
Creativeedu 20:58
Great talking to you all, I've learnt a lot #UKEdChat
dailydenouement 20:58
There have been some cracking contributions tonight: much
appreciated & am sure the archive will make good reading later.#ukedchat
leeandrewdunn 20:58 RT @ukedchat: Final thoughts for #ukedchat - 2 minutes remain
(The archive is collected at 9.15)
Mallrat_uk 20:58
#ukedchat thanks for tonight people.. It's been a pleasure.
jamesmichie 20:58 RT @Creativeedu: Treat every normal lesson as an observervation
and every observation as a normal lesson... #UKEdChat
Iris_Connect 20:58 @garyaveryict :) pick your best side first :) You may well be
surprised! #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:58
observe as a student, not as a teacher. #ukedchat #PGCE
ukedchat 20:58 Final thoughts for #ukedchat - 2 minutes remain (The archive is
collected at 9.15)
GaryAveryICT 20:58
@Nevagonnabslim agreed #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:58 RT @Nevagonnabslim: #ukedchat my summary would be
observations are as good as the observer!
dailydenouement 20:58 Thanks everyone for a brilliant #ukedchat - have lots of tips to take
away in my mentor role this term. Great stuff!
LightEmitting 20:59
Observers see things that we dont. Esp. as a #pgce student, its so
easy to have the blinkers when teaching. A gd obs is priceless.#ukedchat
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tj007 20:59
A proper observation can be an opportunity to show off but also to
find ways of enhancing the learning, through focus and feedback
#ukedchat
dughall 20:59 @dailydenouement *Now* please do something birthdayish!
Thanks for a great session! #ukedchat
Nevagonnabslim 20:59
#ukedchat my first time here really enjoyed it and meeting you all :)
Creativeedu 20:59 I will write a blog post on this topic tomorrow - i hope it's helpful!
#UKEdChat
GaryAveryICT 20:59
Really enjoyed my first #ukedchat thanks everyone
ukedchat 20:59
Many thanks to birthday girl @dailydenouement for hosting
#ukedchat this evening. Time for cake and wine? A great debatetonight.
BAFDiploma 20:59
@Creativeedu I agree.....for a given value of Normal! ;-) #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:59
@daviderogers yes but the power of capacity building in latter has
bn eclipsed by power of evaluating in the former. need
2revist#ukedchat
didactylos 20:59
RT @jamesmichie: RT @Creativeedu: Treat every normal lesson as
an observervation and every observation as a normal lesson...
#UKEdChat
philallman1 20:59
All obs shld B 2 learn & develop. Eval cn B done thrugh other means.
Any1 cn 'pass the test' its how chn do ovr time that matters
#ukedchat
Iris_Connect 20:59 RT @john_at_muuua: observe as a student, not as a teacher.
#ukedchat #PGCE AGREED!
didactylos 20:59 RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat I always take risks in my obs, try stuff
out - that way I will get truly honest/critical feedback.
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dailydenouement 21:00
@dughall @colport Cake and wine sounds good... alas I have stuff to
do for tomorrow - but I've loved being #ukedchat birthday
moderator!
bevevans22 21:00 RT @ukedchat: Many thanks to birthday girl @dailydenouement for
hosting #ukedchat this evening.
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tj007 21:03 Thanks everyone for the great contributions tonight - I shall share
some ideas with our innovations group :-) #ukedchat
dailydenouement 21:03 @Creativeedu You can use Blastfollow (I think) and just put the
#ukedchat as the hashtag to follow... but list sounds ace too!
john_at_muuua 21:03 @colport most welcome. and a jolly good evening to you all! :-)
#ukedchat
Janshs 21:03
@colport this might work http://t.co/D7WkhCD #ukedchat
colport 21:04 @Janshs That works great, thank you for sharing within #ukedchat :-
)
dailydenouement 21:05 Right, proper tea in my new birthday teapot I think - great chattonight. Remember to check the archive later. #ukedchat
JaneDavis13 21:09
RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat Jumping in at the last min. Both
observer & observee need 2 c obs as PD not just a jumping through
hoops exercise.
JaneDavis13 21:09
RT @colport: If you have a good, positive example of a lesson
observation sheet, please share it within the #ukedchat over the
next few days. Thank you
JaneDavis13 21:10 RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat I always take risks in my obs, try stuff
out - that way I will get truly honest/critical feedback.
JaneDavis13 21:11 RT @Janshs: hope this works - an idea for lesswon obs pro forma
http://t.co/D7WkhCD #ukedchat
JamiePortman 21:13
RT @dawnhallybone: not forgetting that we are observed daily by
the ones that really matter - impt to get their feedback too
#ukedchat
DKMead 21:15
G Nuthall correctly identifies that lesson observation can only
identify teaching traits and not what learning is taking place
#ukedchat
Smichael920 21:15 #ukedchat have asked pupils 2 look 4certain things in lessons 2
support obs currently looking at questioning http://wp.me/pTgEk-T
Mallrat_uk 21:15
Right after a great #ukedchat discussion should go to bed and read
or do I stay up and watch the end of the Liverpool match with
@niallmo
SandraTweet 21:17
@colport Lesson Observation Sheet
http://www.marialandy.co.uk/docs/lesson_observations.pdf Hope
this helps #ukedchat
OhLottie 21:19
Fab East Meets West evening tonight to culminate last term's topic
on Indian subcontinent. My class' Bollywood dance was brill!#ukedchat
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OldhamNASUWT 21:20
RT @TeacherTalks: Blog-post on Gove's Education Fund: 'When is
110 million not 110 million?" http://bit.ly/aZktmn Pls RT if of
interest #ukedchat
colport 21:20 @Sandratweet Many thanks for sharing lesson observation sheet to
#ukedchat - Really interesting :-)