Ukedchat Archive 04 November 2010

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colport 19:57 @dailydenouement is celebrating her birthday this evening, whilst

hosting #ukedchat ! Go join her to discuss "Lesson observations"

dailydenouement 19:58 & also listening to the #LFC game! RT @colport: @dailydenouement

is celebrating her birthday this evening, whilst hosting #ukedchat !

leeandrewdunn 19:58

#UKEdChat is there a line between sharing practice thru observation

& using it to create an evidence base as part of the schools QA

process?

cleverfiend 19:59

We found lesson observations work best as part of a staff peer

coaching #ukedchat rather than QA observations by senior staff

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 19:59

RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat with @dailydenouement starts in five

minutes "Lesson observations: how do we get the most out ofthem?"

ukedchat 19:59 It's 8pm - time for #ukedchat with @dailydenouement "Lesson

observations: how do we get the most out of them?"

dailydenouement 19:59 Two minutes till #ukedchat starts: get your cuppa, brew or other

beverage at the ready....

missbrownsword 20:00 would really like to take part in #ukedchat properly tonight think it'll

be a good one, but have too much to do for tomorrow :(

dailydenouement 20:00

#ukedchat So tonight's topic is: lesson observations & how we can

get the best out of them. First qu: do you enjoy being observed &

why/not?

dughall 20:00

RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm - time for #ukedchat with

@dailydenouement "Lesson observations: how do we get the most

out of them?"

Janshs 20:01

@dailydenouement happy brthday! our sch is trialling pro forma

where focus is 'what learning took place' not 'what did tchr do'

#ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:01 I'm fortunate enough to be a frequent observer of colleagues as part

of my TLR & find it a great learning tool. #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:01 @cleverfiend #UkEdChat yeh I agree it's always best put that way -

nothing worse than an expected 'crit'

colport 20:01 Lesson observations from teachers (for CPD) are different than

observations by OFSTED (more critical) #ukedchat

dughall 20:01 Is it coincidence that Tuesday's #edchat was about observationstoo? http://bit.ly/cvWMdL #ukedchat

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jessward 20:02 @dailydenouement I usually enjoy being observed... sometimes like

a giving a performance that you rise to... #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:02 #UKEdChat by making sure the observer actually knows what they

are looking for ie trained and able to give feedback

john_at_muuua 20:02 @dailydenouement hate being observed... except by my own dept

#ukedchat


Yes, I chose poll topics. RT @dughall: Is it coincidence that Tuesday's

#edchat was about observations too? http://bit.ly/cvWMdL

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:02 @colport i agree, but Ofsted observations are also CPD if the

feedback is used well enough #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:02

Depending on who the observer is and the true purpose of an

observation, can affect the CPD development post observation#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:03 Please remember to add the #ukedchat hash tag to your tweets for

them to be archived

dughall 20:03 I have always welcomed lesson observation. Found a different pair

of eyes and constructive feedback incredibly helpful. #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:03

#UKEdChat should observations be bi directional? NQT observing an

experienced teacher and vice versa? Maybe a buddy process

almost?


I think I must be a masochist: I love it. Enjoy getting feedback RT

@john_at_muuua: hate being observed... except by my own dept

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:03

@Iris_Connect I totaly agree with that point! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:03

@Mallrat_uk You're a week late LOL #ukedchat

stevebunce 20:03RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm - time for #ukedchat with@dailydenouement "Lesson observations: how do we get the most

out of them?"

colport 20:03 Can anyone share a link to a positive classroom observation form to

be shared? #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:03 We try to get away from the 'official' observation and drop in to

each others' classes on a reg basis #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk 20:03 #ukedchat I have my final #NQT observation in two weeks with adifficult Y8 class.. Any behaviour management suggestions??

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Creativeedu 20:03

I think that comprehensive and helpful feedback is essential to

making lesson obs feel worthwhile no matter who's doing them

#ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:04 @Creativeedu #UkEdChat you've nailed it! I'm still waiting for

feedback from an observation that happened three years ago :( lol

Iris_Connect 20:04if observers enter with a pre-defined checklist of what they need tosee it can automatically discard any teaching talent & magic.

#ukedchat

dughall 20:04 @dailydenouement Didn't think there was anything suspicious. I

know it was a free vote :-) #ironic #edchat #ukedchat


RT @leeandrewdunn: #UKEdChat should observations be bi

directional? NQT observing experienced teacher and vice versa?

Maybe a buddy process?

colport 20:04

@daviderogers It depends on the individual observing you. I have

had both extremes, once very positive and supportive (1/2)#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:04 @colport Not a form, or link - we just have a chat over a cuppa at

the end of each day / week / drop in #ukedchat

ICanTeach_uk 20:04

RT @dughall: I have always welcomed lesson observation. Found a

different pair of eyes and constructive feedback incredibly helpful.

#ukedchat

dmchugh675 20:04 #ukedchat what is the purpose of observation? I firmly believe that

this is the first question schools ask.

EdTechUNcon 20:04

RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm - time for #ukedchat with

@dailydenouement "Lesson observations: how do we get the most

out of them?"


Yes! RT @dughall: I have always welcomed lesson observation.

Found diff pair of eyes and constructive feedback incredibly helpful.

#ukedchat

Kenny73 20:04

@dailydenouement don't fear obs, but don't enjoy it. It's essential in

the same way as interviews, the dentist etc. Retrospective

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:04 that said, the best obs is when the observer treats the lesson as a

student, not a teacher. no pre-knowledge.#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:05 We ned to get away from the idea that an observation is one lesson

observed at set intervals and linked to PM #ukedchat


Do you sit down before your observation & decide what the focus is

going to be or just hand observer your lesson plan & start?

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:05 far too much observation is for form filling, not for the benefit of theobserver/observed #ukedchat

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Mallrat_uk 20:05

#ukedchat as an NQT I am used to being observed, don't mind as

long as observer can give ideas how to improve not just tell me I

need to!

colport 20:05 @daviderogers and one who nit-picked on any little error (wasn't

just me) #ukedchat (2/2)

Creativeedu 20:05 @colport if noone has one now I can put one up tomorrow for you

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:05 #UKEdChat don't see point of someone observing someone if they

don't know what good looks like

daviderogers 20:05 RT @dughall: I have always welcomed lesson observation. Found a

different pair of eyes and constructive feedback helpful. #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:06 @colport @Mallrat_uk absolutely, the conversation afterward ismore important than the obs itself #ukedchat #ukedchat #ukedchat

dmchugh675 20:06

#ukedchat are schools trying to impose a certain type of practice or

are they trying to identify strengths or weakness on a teachers

style?


Yes, this is true RT @john_at_muuua: far too much observation is

for form filling, not for the benefit of the observer/observed

#ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:06

#ukedchat - rlly interested in ths topic . Observations - depends

entirely on the point of the observation. is it 4 oberserver or

observee?

john_at_muuua 20:06 RT @Nevagonnabslim: #UKEdChat don't see point of someone

observing someone if they don't know what good looks like

colport 20:06 @Creativeedu That would be good, sharing good practice through

#ukedchat

dughall 20:06 Now I work for the LA it definitely feels different when I teach a

lesson with observers! Much higher pressure! #ukedchat

Laura_987 20:06Think it's important to remember that is as much a learningexperience for the observer as the person being observed.

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:06

RT @leeandrewdunn: #UKEdChat should observations be bi

directional? NQT observing an experienced teacher and vice versa?

Maybe a buddy process almost?

colport 20:07

If you are not a school leader/inspector - Do you observe lessons to

pick up ideas or practice? #ukedchat


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dawnhallybone 20:07 when observing lessons - note down no times children smile and

teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:07 What is an observation for? - PM, support, learning from others,

trying new ideas, gaining new experiences, team teaching #ukedchat

didactylos 20:07 #UKEdChat every time I teach i get observed by a load of teachers

and others, I am so used to it now, frequency is important.

trees2066 20:07

RT @Laura_987: Think it's important to remember that is as much a

learning experience for observer as the person being observed.

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:07

@dughall I bet!! #ukedchat

colport 20:07 @Janshs Me too! Sharing examples would be good through the#ukedchat hash tag - will keep an eye open. Thank you

colport 20:08 @daviderogers The last lesson I observed for CPD was delivered by

@timrylands & that was a while ago now :-( #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:08 Mine doesn't teach ;-) RT @leeandrewdunn: #UKEdChat anyone

ever asked to observe their Headteacher?

daviderogers 20:08 When observing, make a map of teacher movements or note down

how much they talk and give as a % in feedback #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:08

RT @Iris_Connect: if obs enter w/ a checklist of wht they need 2 C it

cn automatically discard any teaching talent & magic.#ukedchat

OFSTED?

Flyingstartedu 20:08

Thurs night is really awkward for me to get online. Will have to

arrange a date with #ukedchat one week. Maybe someone can fill

me in?

dawnhallybone 20:08 very important for staff to 'learn' how to observe and coach - impt

skill for all which will only add to process #ukedchat

didactylos 20:08#UKEdChat today I did 5 hours with 5 adults watching me the wholetime. We are too much in the 'teaching occurs behind closed doors'

culture

leeandrewdunn 20:08

#UKEdChat anyone ever asked to observe their Headteacher?


RT @dawnhallybone: when observing lessons - note down no times

children smile and teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it

#ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:08

RT @daviderogers: We ned to get away from the idea that an

observation is one lesson observed at set intervals and linked to PM#ukedchat

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daviderogers 20:08



#ukedchat

Mallrat_uk 20:08 @dmchugh675 #ukedchat my school want us to all teach the same

way, they seem to look only for the negatives!

dughall 20:08RT @dawnhallybone: when observing lessons - note down no timeschildren smile and teacher smiles - a diff way of looking at it

#ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:08 #ukedchat observations can be evaluative or informative. Important

to decide the purpose before it happens

4goggas 20:08

Oh no! It's that ukedchat thing time.

daviderogers 20:09@colport But aren't all observations CPD? #ukedchat

Janshs 20:09

RT @dawnhallybone when observing lessons - note down no times


#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:09 RT @mwclarkson_pub: #ukedchat It's important to remember that

an observation isn't (or shouldn't be) a stick to beat you with


Fab! RT @daviderogers: When observing, make a map of teacher

movements or note down how much they talk and give as a % in

feedback #ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:09 #UKEdChat We have regular Teach and Learn peer obs to share good

practice. This week's focus is Outstanding Lazy lessons

daviderogers 20:09 @didactylos How was the leaning / dynamics of the classroom

affected by having so many observers? #UKEdChat

didactylos 20:09 #UKEdChat if your teaching is always visible it will always aim to be

high quality and you forget people are watching you - sort of


#ukedchat (as in fill me in with what I miss... not beat me up!)

DeputyHeadTeach 20:09 #ukedchat the key focus of all obs is progress students make.

Second to that will come other foci but these all support progress

mooshtang 20:09 This book has some interesting ideas for when being oberved

http://amzn.to/cgS5Jj #ukedchat

mwclarkson_pub 20:09 #ukedchat It's important to remember that an observation isn't (orshouldn't be) a stick to beat you with

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jessward 20:10 @dailydenouement hate Ofsted inspections where kids seize up

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:10

@daviderogers but not all CPD is good. #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:10RT @dmchugh675: @Nevagonnabslim so true. It's difficult to knowwhat a good lesson looks like. Maybe pupils are the people best

placed to decide. #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:10 @dailydenouement It's always surprising - I asked a col to do to me I

talked for 80% of the time! Doh! #ukedchat


#ukedchat anyway that was just a flying visit! Gotta dash, let me

know if anyone wants to fill me in?! (Not explaining again, see

previous!)

daviderogers 20:10

RT @dawnhallybone: very important for staff to 'learn' how to

observe and coach - imp skill for all which will only add to process#ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:10 encourage student teachers to see a range of teachers teaching -

should be same for all staff #ukedchat

dmchugh675 20:10

@Nevagonnabslim so true. It's difficult to know what a good lesson

looks like. Maybe pupils are the people best placed to decide.

#ukedchat

mwclarkson_pub 20:10 #ukedchat I quite often see one or two teachers in particular and

always steal good ideas.

dailydenouement 20:10 @BAFDiploma Could you explain the Teach & Learn peer obs a bit

more? #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:10

Am I right in thinking that @IRIS_connect provides a method for

lesson observations via camera? May be more natural then?

#ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:10

Can u truly learn from an observation if u have not been able to see

it (watch it back) with yr own eyes what actually took place?

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:10

@BAFDiploma I love that tag! #UKEdChat

caroljallen 20:11

@didactylos #UKEdChat agree - teaching is interactive process,

accepted now that it is not single direction: excellent teaching is

organic

john_at_muuua 20:11 @jessward hence the argument that OFSTED should be embedded,

part of the school not an external imposition #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:11 I hate the focus on the 'lesson.' It needs to shift to the sequence oflearning across many lessons. Obs more often? #ukedchat

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isleofmandan 20:11



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isleofmandan 20:11



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colport 20:11 @daviderogers I suppose it depends on what frame of mind you go

into a session. I have learned from NQT ideas as well #ukedchat

RenZephyr 20:11



#ukedchat

AyrshireGeog 20:11



#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:11 #ukedchat what about the observations to gather evidence ofcapability! I hate doing those!

Creativeedu 20:11

Anyone else experienced staff member who thought they were

Outstanding and wouldn't listen until Ofsted said otherwise?

#ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:11 Is it always the same person who observes you? Do you ever get a

chance to observe them? #ukedchat

dughall 20:11 RT @dawnhallybone: encourage student teachers to see a range of

teachers teaching - should be same for all staff #ukedchat


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Catriona_O 20:12 #ukedchat purpose of observations need to be defined in advance.

Is it for observee improvemet or observer improvement?

john_at_muuua 20:12 observing a lesson starts with making the observed feel

comfortable, including the students #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:12 @john_at_muuua I agree - but all CPD provides learning whether

good or not :-) #ukedchat

BusyKez 20:12 #ukedchat best feedback I ever had was from a team taught buddy

lesson. Supportive, co-operative, productive.

Creativeedu 20:12 Really interested in the idea of 360 lesson obs, with teachers

observing HODs and vice versa #ukedchat 1/2

BAFDiploma 20:12 @daviderogers #UKEDChat The aim is to see lessons where thepupils are doing the bulk of the work


Ah! The tumbleweed moment... had some of them! RT @jessward:

@dailydenouement hate Ofsted inspections where kids seize up

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:13 one HOD I worked with really made the process intimidating. THEM

and US. worst case scenario. #ukedchat

ATBespokeIT 20:13 I spend much of my time being observed now and it never feels like

Ofsted/monitoring observations but peer support. #ukedchat

didactylos 20:13

RT @busykez: #ukedchat best feedback I ever had was from a team

taught buddy lesson. Supportive, co-operative, productive.


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john_at_muuua 20:13 @daviderogers ha ha! yes... we learn from their mistakes :-)

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:13 @colport For sure - we learn from our PGCE bods all the time - in

fact , they are a great source of ideas #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:13 RT @john_at_muuua: observing a lesson starts with making the

observed feel comfortable, including the students #ukedchat

JaneDavis13 20:14 RT @colport: Lesson observations from teachers (for CPD) are

different than observations by OFSTED (more critical) #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:14 How could we change the observation process: could technology

play a part? Do any schools do filmed observations? #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:14 #ukedchat - think about how it would be if we NEVER saw insideeachother's classrooms

trees2066 20:14

RT @mbht1: school council observe with me & feedback - pupil

voice and they are so accurate. Know a good lesson when they see

one! #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:14 @john_at_muuua indeed! Or just think of something else ;-)

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:14 I always negotiate my role when observing -

support/judgement/ideas/team teach #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:14

@creativeedu If u watch yr own lesson bck 5 x's you will identify

different skills, talents, development areas each and every time

#ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:14 I do that just now @Creativeedu: But what if you went REALLY

radical and had STUDENTS acting as the observers? #ukedchat


Yes, about improvement RT @didactylos: #UKEdChat observation

must be about 'doing it even better next time' - the word even is

crucial

BAFDiploma 20:15@dailydenouement #ukedchat T&L observations are just used tospread good practice where we choose somebody else to obs and

be obs by.

Creativeedu 20:15

@Nevagonnabslim Oh wow - and how does it go? #UKEdChat


@dailydenouement we have iris in

tj007 20:15

Although not an official observation, I do like that SLT pop in for a

few minutes every so often to see the learning taking place.#ukedchat

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DeputyMitchell 20:15

Is it ok that as my answer is 'I'm not sure??' I sit back and listen to

what you are all saying? #ukedchat hope to take on board

discussions

leeandrewdunn 20:15 @Creativeedu #UkEdChat that's a great idea! Here's another:

anyone been observed as part of an interview for a new job?

john_at_muuua 20:15 @Nevagonnabslim some schools do that for teacher interviews.

students observe the candidates. #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:15 I try to spend time talking to the students in every obs I do - they

know the score :-) #ukedchat

didactylos 20:15 #UKEdChat observation must be about 'doing it even better next

time' - the word even is crucial

BAFDiploma 20:16 @dailydenouement #ukedchat T&L obs are do not inform PM theyare just a means of sharing ideas and prompting discussion.

bellaale 20:16 would love to have enough TIME to do more mutual obs with a few

chosen colleagues - but we have no framework for it #ukedchat


@colport thanks very much for that! Only used 2 wearing

@flyingstartmag hat, trying 2 get into routine of whens best to

edutweet! #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:16 RT @didactylos: #UKEdChat observation must be about 'doing it

even better next time' - the word even is crucial

daviderogers 20:16 @tj007 That is a good point - they get a much better sense of what

goes on. We need to move away from the one off 'Obs' #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:16 When interviewing for a headship we always do an informal lesson

obs + ask students opinion #UKEdChat @leeandrewdunn

Mallrat_uk 20:16 @dailydenouement #ukedchat I got filmed on my PGCE, it was

amazing how many times I said 'ok so....'

mwclarkson_pub 20:16 #UKEdChat Who amongst us has ever taught in an 'observation

room' (e.g. one with a one-way mirror)?


Could you explain for the semi-luddite? Cheers! RT

@Nevagonnabslim: @dailydenouement we have iris in classrooms

#ukedchat

trees2066 20:16 Important for staff to observe each other in an informal supportive

way - our teachers say this is the best CPD they have. #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:16 @Catriona_O horrible idea. Agree. but too often observations areused to control not support. #ukedchat

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caroljallen 20:16 #UKEdChat observing and interacting and teaching - all one process -

should not be confrontational or oppressive

ATBespokeIT 20:16

One of my big reasons for jumping ship was "monitoring" but

sharing is great. We are all magpies as teachers. Steal shiny ideas!

#ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:16The dialogue post obsshould be an exchange of views an objectivediscussion, a dialogue that turns into an iterative relationship

#ukedchat

caroljallen 20:17 @mallrat_uk #UKEdChat I flicked my hair back (got it cut after I saw

the film!)

trees2066 20:17 We trialled video observations with some teachers last year - most

critical observer is yourself. #ukedchat

Flyingstartedu 20:17 @colport and as it happens, Thurs are an ache, so I'll check that outat work tomorrow :) Thanks again #ukedchat

dughall 20:17 @dailydenouement Filmed observations happened on my PGCE in

Leeds 1990 I wasn't but my mate was. Really cringeful! #ukedchat

trudianns 20:17

#ukedchat obs are essential for all , CPD, peer coaching and

monitoring standards of teaching and learning if not there's little

improvement

john_at_muuua 20:17

are observations difference for BTs? #ukedchat

d1sxeyes 20:17 @Laura_987 even us little trainees have got a few good ideas, eh?

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:17

#UKEdChat a shame BSF got ditched, a number of schools were keen

on bigger learning areas that were team staffed - so much less

isolated

tj007 20:17

@Creativeedu Yes - i'm certainly more relaxed as it is hardly a

change from the norm (whereas I used to change style massively)

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:17RT @Mallrat_uk: @dailydenouement #ukedchat I got filmed on myPGCE, it was amazing how many times I said 'ok so....' >>>ol-not just

me then!

Catriona_O 20:17

#ukedchat observations that R observer focused = CPD 4 the

observer. Ones that R observee focussed + judgement & evaluation

4 the obervee


Yes, v revealing process RT @Mallrat_uk: @dailydenouement

#ukedchat I got filmed on my PGCE it was amazing how many times I

said 'ok so....'

dughall 20:18 RT @ATBespokeIT: "We are all magpies as teachers. Steal shinyideas!" #ukedchat

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dailydenouement 20:18 I was filmed in my NQT year for an outstanding teacher course: it

was hugely valuable once I got over the shame! #ukedchat

janeyk419 20:18

RT @leeandrewdunn: #UKEdChat anyone ever asked to observe

their Headteacher? Doing so next week as part of school monitoring

period!

daviderogers 20:18 @d1sxeyes For sure - I would say some of the best ideas around and

a fresh perspective! #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:18 @Creativeedu #UkEdChat that's great I think it should happen more

it's a bit patchy up here in Scotland and depends on the school

dughall 20:18

RT @JaneDavis13: RT @colport: Lesson observations from teachers

(for CPD) are different toobservations by OFSTED (more critical)

#ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:18@john_at_muuua what's a horrible idea? #ukedchat

trudianns 20:19 RT @trudianns: @trees2066 how did staff take it? Would like to try

it with my staff #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:19

RT @trees2066: Important 4staff 2 observe each other in an

informal supportive way - our teachers say this is the best CPD .

#ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:19 Would it be valuable to do cross-phase observations with

primary/secondary colleagues? #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:19 #ukedchat iris - we use it ! Most love it! Videos and teacher uses

headfones we can speak to them while wotching the lesson

geraldhaigh1 20:19 Once out of College I wasn't once observed for the next thirty years.

Can't have been good for me or the children. #ukedchat

Ariellah 20:19 Obs should empower teachers- Check this model of "#Self-Study"

that includes teachers' Observation #ukedchat http://bit.ly/aMEKKj

bellaale 20:19 @d1sxeyes always found that, in mentoring PGCE students, I got

more out of it than they did! #ukedchat

jessward 20:19 @dughall @dailydenouement yes... PGCE video obs.. horrid but

useful! #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:19 @Catriona_O sorry... the sotught of NEVER being observed, the

idea of isolation. No one should teach alone. #ukedchat

didactylos 20:20

#UKEdChat are there other jobs done in private without being

observed by others as they happen....... ok, you at the back stopsniggering!

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Creativeedu 20:20

I think even the most excrucuiating obs experience can be made

positive if you learn something from it: FEEDBACK and FOLLOW UP

#UKEdChat

leeandrewdunn 20:20 @janeyk419 #UkEdChat don't make it too easy for them lol you

must have a good HT I know many who wouldn't allow it to happen!

Nevagonnabslim 20:20 #ukedchat for those asking about iris

http://www.enactnow.org/?page_id=6

daviderogers 20:20 RT @dughall: RT @ATBespokeIT: "We are all magpies as teachers.

Steal shiny ideas!" #ukedchat >> for sure! Why reinvent the wheel?

caroljallen 20:20

#UKEdChat Team teaching is an excellent way of combining

observation and increasing teaching energy in a lesson. Supportive

rather than x

Mallrat_uk 20:20 #ukedchat I am starting an outstanding teacher course next week,expecting observations to be a big part of it.. Looking forward to it!

john_at_muuua 20:20 RT @dughall: RT @ATBespokeIT: "We are all magpies as teachers.

Steal shiny ideas!" #ukedchat and steel shiny tweets! :-)

dughall 20:21

What do people think of those videos of sessions shown for CPD

often favoured by National Strategy. Useful 'observation'?

#ukedchat


#ukedchat sorry I mean as we watch the teacher teach we give them

feedback thru headfones they are wearing to encourage

improvement

trudianns 20:21

@janeyk419 as HT I would welcome staff observing me #ukedchat


Do you think enough time is spent on giving feedback after

observations? Can often seem rushed as if the obs was end in itself

#ukedchat

janeyk419 20:21

#ukedchat I observe a LOT (am SLT) Best thing personally is how

much I learn, good and bad. Steal ideas and see things I do and

shouldn't!!

john_at_muuua 20:21

sharing with our peers is the best CPD. #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn 20:21 @bellaale @d1sxeyes #ukedchat Yes I think the observer learns as

much as the observed, not least about other people's subjects.

SimonHorleston 20:21 Part of 1st assignment on national sen award is to team teach and

observe one another on the inclusive classroom checklist #ukedchat

trees2066 20:21

@trudianns Some staff obviously not keen but others up for it.

Trialled it with those who are keen for short periods. Useful!#ukedchat

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leeandrewdunn 20:21

@Mallrat_uk #UkEdChat good luck :)

leeandrewdunn 20:21

@Mallrat_uk #UkEdChat good luck :)

geraldhaigh1 20:21Except in assembly of course, where for 11 years I was closelyscrutinised almost every day by the whole staff and often parents.

#ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:21

@john_at_muuua #ukedchat - totally agree. Isolation is the enemy

of improvement ( Elmore) Too many good teachers teach in silos of

excellece

dailydenouement 20:22 Nah... #ukedchat is the best CPD ;-) RT @john_at_muuua: sharing

with our peers is the best CPD. #ukedchat

trees2066 20:22

A narrow focus on progress in 30-60 min period is not the most

effective way to judge a teacher's impact on children's learning#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:22 Should senior managers need permission to observe those they

manage? #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:22 RT @john_at_muuua: sharing with our peers is the best CPD.

#ukedchat

tj007 20:23

not tried it yet, but we have pupils traind 2 obs something specific

(we choose). Quite a few tchrs dont lk the idea of pupils obs

#ukedchat

trees2066 20:23

RT @trudianns: @janeyk419 as HT I would welcome staff observing

me #ukedchat < Admire ur stance - need 2 put myself through it!

#ukedchat

geraldhaigh1 20:23 @dailydenouement The feedback session must be timetabled and

unhurried, or there's misunderstanding and worry. #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:23

#UKEdChat what sounds more appropriate for the 21st Century?

Lesson Observation, teaching observation, learning observation?

Something else?

SusanElkinJourn 20:23 I worry that the presence of an observer changes classroom dynamic

so much that the observation is invalidated. #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:23

if have people in room not 'officially' observing e.g visitors/student

teachers always ask what they enjoyed & how they would imp

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:23 @dughall Oh My Gods... worst fake x-factor teaching around.

#ukedchat

trudianns 20:23@trees2066 I'll put the idea out and see what is said! #ukedchat

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daviderogers 20:23

@john_at_muuua Many would disagree though! #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:23

@john_at_muuua I don't think so #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn 20:24@geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat Yes,I took 100s of assemblies too &certainly gets you used to being watched. Should it be part of

teacher training?

john_at_muuua 20:24

@tj007 should unqualified people observe us? #ukedchat

Laura_987 20:24

@d1sxeyes Always worth joining in with #ukedchat. Good

experience. People don't mind that we are training, that's the nice

thing.

dailydenouement 20:24 What do you feel about unplanned drop-in learning walk type ofobserving? So not formal obs but still being visited. #ukedchat

trees2066 20:24

@trudianns Let me know how it goes! #ukedchat

dughall 20:24

@caroljallen Agree about team/co-teachng #UKEdChat

john_at_muuua 20:24 RT @dailydenouement: Nah... #ukedchat is the best CPD ;-) sharing

with our peers is the best CPD. #ukedchat I stand corrected!

Creativeedu 20:24 @doughall I love them, we film and sell examples of outstanding

practice http://bit.ly/cLjJxr


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Creativeedu 20:25 As governors we are always told we have to make it clear we are

NOT observing when we watch a lesson! #UKEdChat

Catriona_O 20:25

#ukedchat best observations R focussed on 1 area LEARNING, eg

questioning/ time spent teachertalking/ lesson starters. Not nec

whole lesson

dailydenouement 20:25RT @geraldhaigh1: @dailydenouement The feedback session mustbe timetabled and unhurried, or there's misunderstanding and

worry. #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:25 @dailydenouement agreed there's alway a danger in that - it MUST

be a tool to drive continuous improvement #UkEdChat

daviderogers 20:26 @Creativeedu Should that be 'we are not judging you while we

observe your lesson'? #UKEdChat


RT @john_at_muuua: I once suffered an OFSTED where the

inspector last taught in 1960. I swear the local dustman would havebeen more insightful #ukedchat


Thought-provoking! RT @dmchugh675: #ukedchat I'd prefer to learn

by observing rather than being observed. Are obs really about CPD

or power?

Catriona_O 20:26 #ukedchat who is the best teacher in ur skool? Is it u? If so , wht do

u do 2 share wht u do. If not, how does that tchr shre wht they do?

d1sxeyes 20:26

RT @SusanElkinJourn: I worry that the presence of an observer

changes classroom dynamic so much that the observation is

invalidated. #ukedchat

dughall 20:26 @Nevagonnabslim @john_at_muuua Hehe! Agreed then :-)

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:26 Should lesson obs continue to be part of teacher accountability?

#ukedchat


RT @SusanElkinJourn: I worry that the presence of an observer

changes classroom dynamic so much that observation is invalidated.

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:26 @dailydenouement #UKEdChat if it happens all the time its just part

of the ecosystem and fine, the sudden drop in - v threatening

jessward 20:27 @john_at_muuua last Ofsted I went through we had students

observers with them #ukedchat

bellaale 20:27 if a tree falls over in an un-observed lesson, does it make a

difference to the class's learning? #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:27 @geraldhaigh1 seen some people reject observations. Is that thefault of the person observing? (genuine question BTW) #ukedchat

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trudianns 20:27 @dailydenouement I think learning walks are essential, see it as,

should always give some sort of feedback though #ukedchat

jowinchester 20:27 RT @bellaale: I love being observed - am basically a big show-off!

#ukedchat [Like it? http://bit.ly/aPty4I ] < you star! :-)

Ariellah 20:27@dailydenouement Manage expectations and way feedbcakprovided (can use the "sandwich technique- Good/ Not so good/

Constructive) #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:27 not forgetting that we are observed daily by the ones that really

matter - impt to get their feedback too #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:27 How do people feel about this? RT @tj007: not tried it yet, but we

have pupils traind 2 obs something specific (we choose). #ukedchat

dughall 20:27

RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat best observations R focussed on 1 area

LEARNING, eg questioning/ time spent teachertalking/ lessonstarters. Not nec whole lesson

Iris_Connect 20:27

@dmchugh675 Proactively approached by the teachers encouraging

peer support and collaboration then definitely its about CPD.

#ukedchat

d1sxeyes 20:27

@SusanElkinJourn I could not agree more. Particularly with a

difficult class, particularly when the observer is the class teacher.

#ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn 20:27 @Creativeedu Don't think I understand the diff bet observing &

watching, then #ukedchat

CreativeSTAR 20:28 @caroljallen You took the tweet right out of my head re team

teaching. Building trust thro support makes a +ve diff #ukedchat

JaneDavis13 20:28


LEARNING, eg questioning/ time spent teachertalking/ lesson

starters. Not nec whole lesson

ianaddison 20:28 I don't make an effort in an observation (except ofsted/LA), if my HT

wants to see me teach, come in anytime #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:28 @dawnhallybone How do you go about collecting that feedback, do

you just ask? #ukedchat

dughall 20:28 @john_at_muuua I've been observed and judged by an OFSTED lay

inspector who had *never* taught in his life. #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:28 Love it! RT @bellaale: if a tree falls over in an un-observed lesson,

does it make a difference to the class's learning? #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:28

RT @dawnhallybone: not forgetting that we R observed daily by the

ones that rlly matter - impt 2 get their feedback 2 #ukedchat >spoton!

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janeyk419 20:28 #ukedchat Our strongest staff are coaches and work with all. I'm not

bad on a good day but still will go to a coach to ask for advice!

Creativeedu 20:28 Essentially governors are not allowed to pass judgement as many

are untrained to do so and the unions don't like it! #UKEdChat

caroljallen 20:28 @dailydenouement #UKEdChat after years in a special school with

constant streams of visitors: multi prof; parents; vols etc just get on!


RT @dawnhallybone: not forgetting that we are observed daily by

the ones that really matter - impt to get their feedback too

#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:28


LEARNING, eg questioning/ time spent teachertalk/ lesson starters. > teeth presumably?!!! :))

daviderogers 20:37 @AlisonCooperVA There will be more - I had one this week - but you

bounce back #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:37 @geraldhaigh1 does that crank up the intimidation? The

relationship with the observed is tantamount. #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk 20:37 @dailydenouement #ukedchat our school uses OFSTED criteria, at

the moment that because we are awaiting 'the call'!

Creativeedu 20:37

Am I alone in thinking the Observed and the Observer should be a

TEAM not enemies? Both working towards improvement?

#UKEdChat

janeyk419 20:38

#ukedchat @daviderogers for progress over time we look at data,

books and talk to kids being observed. not perfect but gives a

flavour.

dmchugh675 20:38

@didactylos it's already done through some assessment for learning

techniques such as KWL. Most important thing...did kids learn?

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:38

@Creativeedu you're not alone! #UKEdChat

Catriona_O 20:38 #ukedchat a collegiate approach to observations might just crack a

few capacity-building bottlenecks....cont...


@janeyk419 roflmao!! #ukedchat

dughall 20:38 @Laura_987 I survived to tell the tale! Have had a few outstandingssince :-) #ukedchat

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bevevans22 20:38 @colport I love it when they say 'cool lesson'. I once had ' that was

my best lesson ever!' from a Y6 child - great feedback :) #ukedchat

CreativeSTAR 20:38 #ukedchat Anyone have to model lessons for other teachers to

observe & join in? Thoughts?

daviderogers 20:38 @GaryAveryICT Outstanding progress in two lessons? Good that she

came back :-) #ukedchat

colport 20:38 @dailydenouement I personally carry on as normal, as the feedback

is more real to normal situations #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:39 #ukedchat ---if we get a system for sharing the best of what we

know WITHIN schools - loads of things might improve

Laura_987 20:39@dughall Clearly didn't do any lasting damage then ;) #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:39 @didactylos I can see that working with certain groups - very

interesting idea. I shall ponder on that - thanks #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:39 @janeyk419 That's reassuring, but does is that other data taken in

to account when feeding back during a lesson? #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:39 observations are not one way. everyone enters a classroom with an

agenda, and that must be open and clear, not hidden. #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:39

What happens aftr obs feedbk? Does that become iterative or left

until next obs? How do tchers capture effective feedback for dev

#ukedchat

BAFDiploma 20:39 @daviderogers @AlisonCooperVA #ukedchat Always will be never

worry about a bad lesson, just reflect and learn from it.

bevevans22 20:39 @didactylos That would be good. Some of my pupils might be a bit

young for that mind you #ukedchat

scholaforis 20:40 #ukedchat The time a squirrel flew yes flew through window and I

was asked to explain expletives to ESOL class (adult).. But still ..

Janshs 20:40 @dailydenouement always as normal - else false reactions from

students #ukedchat sorry forgot hashtag

colport 20:40 @bevevans22 Wow, that is saying something when it comes from a

Year 6 #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:40@Iris_Connect I ask to tape the feedback conversation #ukedchat

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Creativeedu 20:40 The best feedback should both build on exisitng stregnths and

identify areas for improvement #UKEdChat

lisacov19 20:40

RT @dailydenouement Do you feel pressure to put on a 'show' for

obs lessons or do you just carry on? #ukedchat


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daviderogers 20:42

@janeyk419 Nice! #ukedchat

tj007 20:42 RT @daviderogers: @Iris_Connect I ask to tape the feedback

conversation


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john_at_muuua 20:43

RT @Iris_Connect: @creativestar great idea, the best teaching

resources is quite often located in their own school! #ukedchat in

other depts

CreativeSTAR 20:43 @dughall It was a wonderful wake up call & has kept me grafting

ever since! #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:43@colport It was stop motion animation & a very hands on lessonthat lasted all morning. Plus they got to watch the Clangers

#ukedchat


RT @lisacov19: RT @dailydenouement Do you feel pressure to put

on a 'show' for obs lessons or do you just carry on? #ukedchat >Totallyagree!!

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BAFDiploma 20:45

@dailydenouement Our T&L Obs are encouraged to be cross-

curricular as much as poss. Love seeing Chemists blowing

themsleves up! #ukedchat

ATBespokeIT 20:46

#UKEdChat My favourite pointless feedback was 'there were 2

children in a slight blind-spot' as the only comment on a feedback

sheet!

dughall 20:46

@KnikiDavies Excellent! Hysterical! #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:46

@dailydenouement Get them 2 judge U using their obs criteria -

usually leads 2 interesting conversations & breaks dn the barriers

#ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:46

@tj007 video&reflective annotations can work vy well, as u can visit

each reflective comment toa point intime. Contextual learning

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:46 Ofsted look for WHAT students are learning, HOW they are learningit & the RATE at which they are learning #UKEdChat


@john_at_muuua #ukedchat I will be honest! say I'm not changing

anything but then I pull out all the tricks! But can do cos class

trained!

dailydenouement 20:46 Glad you didn't!RT @didactylos: #UKEdChat I did say I'd just lurk in

this one...... duh, lol.

daviderogers 20:46 @dailydenouement Get them to observe as many others as

possible, even at diff sch if possible #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:46 @dailydenouement #UkEdChat I'm secondary and no, not often but

I would encourage it as part of rich diverse curriculum improvement

KnikiDavies 20:46

@dughall I was once about to be obs when another teacher steered

an ill child into my room, they threw up on the floor then left!

#ukedchat

dughall 20:46 @CreativeSTAR Yes, every teacher has something others

could/should learn from. #ukedchat

janeyk419 20:47#ukedchat What does good feedback look like? Verbally andwritten? how many have whole school lesson obs feedback sheets?

Any VG examples?

didactylos 20:47

RT @catriona_o: #ukedchat in Scotland been pioneering Learning

Rounds - teacher medical rounds. They totally rock!

http://bit.ly/aB1Ti9


RT @Creativeedu: Ofsted look for WHAT students are learning, HOW

they are learning it & the RATE at which they are learning

#UKEdChat

Mallrat_uk 20:47

@dmchugh675 #ukedchat yep you def get some interesting

things..'Miss that wo shit',or 'miss do you have to shout'! But youget nice ones to!

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dughall 20:47 RT @ukedchat: An amazing #ukedchat this evening. Great engaging

chat - Just over 15 minutes remain

daviderogers 20:47 @KnikiDavies Classic! How much did you pay them to do that ;-)

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:47

@Nevagonnabslim I need to observe you then! :-) #ukedchat

CLOSECLOSE 20:47 #ukedchat we observe yr groups together and give feedback

together me in one class 30 mins cookware next class then swap.

caroljallen 20:47 @catriona_o #UKEdChat another idea is presenting case study to

peers for group support on targets and methodologies

grahamcullen 20:47

@dailydenouement you've got to be honest but supportive. Make a

fuss over their strengths but be clear about weaknesses too.#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:48

@KnikiDavies Nice :) Just what you wanted to happen!!!! #ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:48

#UKEdChat HMIe / LA QIO and school based observation - is there a

clear distinction? Perhaps there shouldn't be one? Support or

challenge?

chris_1974 20:48

#ukedchat hello. Observers need to know context. 2 in my team last

yr had external obs, and it was suggested we were pitching too low

at..


@john_at_muuua bring it on lol #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:48

@dawnhallybone Sure am - sponsor my tash for Prostate Cancer

Charities http://uk.movember.com/mospace/895840/ #ukief10

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:48

RT @colport: My worst obs moment was during OFSTED - I turned

on IWB, pupils says "gosh, we've not used that for ages" - She was

joking #ukedchat Yours?

Iris_Connect 20:48RT @dailydenouement: I'm mentoring a PGCE student for first time -any tips for their lesson observations? focus/feedback etc?

#ukedchat

tj007 20:48

@dailydenouement I do feel pressure to show excellent use of

technology in a lesson (as I'm seen as 'that type of person')

#ukedchat

colport 20:48

My worst obs moment was during OFSTED - I turned on IWB, pupils

says "gosh, we've not used that for ages" - She was joking

#ukedchat Yours?

dughall 20:49

@dailydenouement Agree focus before hand. Have a 3 stars & wish

approach to feedback. Relate feedback to focus. Be supportive.#ukedchat

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colport 20:49 @kekkelkekkel @Creativeedu She was joking, but the inspector

noted it! LOL #ukedchat

chris_1974 20:49

#ukedchat actually it was grade c/b students with sine and cosine

rule - A/A* topics. Def not pitching low. Cleared up in conversation

after

KnikiDavies 20:49@daviderogers It was just before observer arrived.Think I shouldhave got a medal for carrying on!other teacher hugely apologetic!

#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:49 @chris_1974 do you have moderation meetings for lesson obs?

#UKEdChat

Catriona_O 20:49 #ukedchat - obsevations R totally KEY 2 collegiality! why wld U want

2 keep genius 2 yourself? why wld u not want 2 C genius in action?

janeyk419 20:49

#ukedchat Normal circumstances=scared of wasps. Ofsted in

room=hit with a book and say "it's just a wasp". Move on. Andbreathe!

daviderogers 20:49

I once got negative feedback as I should have used a different colour

board pen. As a geographer I should have been prepped :-)

#ukedchat

tj007 20:49

@IRIS_Connect @daviderogers Makes perfect sense to record and

annotate - I have a tablet PC with onenote, making the job easy!

#ukedchat


What was your best observation? #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:50 RT @Creativeedu: @chris_1974 do you have moderation meetings

for lesson obs? #UKEdChat >> no but we have joint observations

john_at_muuua 20:50 @colport A week of OFSTED observations where I was never seen!

not once. But was never told they didn't need to see me! #ukedchat

AlisonCooperVA 20:50 @BAFDiploma @daviderogers he was happy today as the same class

were as good as gold #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:50My best obs moment was final obs on GTP: "Miss always does greatlessons" pipes up worst troublemaker as he passed my inspector!

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:50

@KnikiDavies Medal def deserved! #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:50

@tj007 Nice! Which tablet out of interest? #ukedchat


RT @janeyk419: #ukedchat Normal circumstances=scared of wasps.

Ofsted in room=hit with a book and say "it's just a wasp". Move on.And breathe!

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DeputyHeadTeach 20:51 @Creativeedu #ukedchat learning is being observed.everything else

is the scaffold to achieve this.

CreativeSTAR 20:51

@tj007 Yes. I'm similar re outdoor learning & being observed. I get

asked to model OL by schools on subjects & themes chosen CTs

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:51

@AlisonCooperVA Sweet! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:51

Joint observations seem like a really important opportunity to learn

and benchmark but = more intimidating for the observed?

#UKEdChat

colport 20:51

@john_at_muuua Ooh, that sounds like mental torture #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:51@dailydenouement How much was the bribe ;-P #ukedchat

CLOSECLOSE 20:51 #ukedchat look for learning. The last questions should be what's the

teacher doing to help / hinder learning?

chris_1974 20:51 @daviderogers @Creativeedu not meetings as such. Would be quite

interesting to. May suggest it. #UKEdChat

daviderogers 20:51 If a lesson is not going very well, I often leave the room for a few

mins then return. Often gives the tchr time to compose #ukedchat


@Nevagonnabslim love that lol and done similiar! #ukedchat

philallman1 20:51 Worst obs was using 'My World'. Ch asked by insp. y hvnt U put it on

the grey bit? 'Cos that's a road, dont U know anythng! #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:51 Does anyone get to observe in other schools? Sometimes you get

locked into the ethos of your school. #ukedchat

chris_1974 20:51 @Creativeedu sometimes. 2 yrs ago I did joint obs with DH as part of

my prof lrng. SLT did with joint obs w/ ofsted last yr #UKEdChat

janeyk419 20:51

@dailydenouement #ukedchat Do staff think it's valuable? Would

love to find a forum to share these. Ours works but is far too

detailed!

caroljallen 20:52 @garyaveryict #UKEdChat I do and it is a privilege - I feel that I

always learn more than I offer!

BAFDiploma 20:52

@GaryAveryICT Really lucky that I get to teach in another school as

part of the consortium arrangements for Diploma #ukedchat. Newethos

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dailydenouement 20:52 To sum up in last 5 mins: why should we embrace lesson

observations? #ukedchat

y3teacher 20:52

@dailydenouement Behaviour man is really important @ the

beginning. They need to show that they are 'comfortable' in the

classroom #ukedchat

daviderogers 20:53 I once took my HT along for the ride as I held an impromptu outside

learning lesson when they wanted to obs #ukedchat

dughall 20:53 @GaryAveryICT Visiting other schools is one of the greatest joys and

privileges of my job. #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:53 Please can I encourage you to read my new daily digest of ed blogs

& send me links http://bit.ly/8XXzEj #UKEdChat

LightEmitting 20:53

Did a pupil pursuit for my #pgce the other week. Followed 1 child

around for a whole day. Loved observing lessons outside my dept.#ukedchat

caroljallen 20:53 @dailydenouement #UKEdChat because teaching and learning are

social activities, not to be hidden in closed rooms!

GaryAveryICT 20:53 @dailydenouement Well, I think the observers can get more out of

it then the observed #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:53 #ukedchat - we seem to have reached a consensus where obs can be

seen as either evaluative or informative. ( I prefer the latter!)

CreativeSTAR 20:53

@GaryAveryICT Yes I do and it's very interesting. I'm vvv lucky &

appreciate this opportunity to see other schools & teachers

#ukedchat

tj007 20:53

@daviderogers The infamous HP TouchSmart TX2 (reasonable

battery, good size easy to use tablet, but runs hot enough to cook

with!) #ukedchat

Nevagonnabslim 20:53 #ukedchat during an obs ever whispered to a student I will make ur

life a misery if you don't behave NOW! I have !! It worked!

dailydenouement 20:53 RT @dailydenouement: To sum up in last 5 mins: why should we

embrace lesson observations? #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:53 @dailydenouement we should only embrace them if they are there

to support, not bash. #ukedchat

cleverfiend 20:53

I once had an EBD group throw pencil at inspector and all downed

tools half way through lesson and that was that. How I cringed

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:54

@colport yes. my dept had bn seen on a 'project ofsted' 6 months

earlier 4 a week. It made sense but was bloody rude not 2 tell us#ukedchat

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janeyk419 20:54

#ukedchat Embrace because feedback from peers and kids is how

we make ourselves better and learn from others. Share ideas. Get

+ve crtitcism

damoward 20:54

RT @dughall: @dailydenouement Agree focus before hand. Have a 3

stars & wish approach to feedback. Relate feedback to focus. Be

supportive. #ukedchat

chris_1974 20:54When we have dept T&L Audit I tell team its chance ot show thebest of what we always do. Don't do radically diff or kids notice!

#ukedchat

daviderogers 20:54 @Catriona_O I agree with you but do think that there is a need and

place for both #ukedchat

didactylos 20:54 #UKEdChat we should embrace lesson observation as we all want to

get better and its a good way of doing that - but its FOR US!

Mallrat_uk 20:54 #ukedchat best obs: my NQT mentor left to get head of physics in tosee my lesson and how I had structured it.

BAFDiploma 20:54 @dailydenouement Embrace them as it is one of those rare

moments that you have time to reflect on own practice #ukedchat

tj007 20:54 last 5 minutes already? I wish observations went this fast!

#ukedchat

colport 20:54

If you have a good, positive example of a lesson observation sheet,

please share it within the #ukedchat over the next few days. Thank

you

philallman1 20:54 Best obs was RE lesson where I used narrative to inspire kids. They

were buzzing as they went out! Really brilliant feeling. #ukedchat

jessward 20:54

@dailydenouement obs by AST... used 3 differentiated video clips

(demos of me playing keyboard). Kids had to choose one vid as L.O

#ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:55

@IRIS_Connect still have video tapes .. not viewed yet :) #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:55 @tj007 thats great become a really powerful development tool!

#ukedchat

Ariellah 20:55

Observations that incl feedback are part of Life long learning RT

@dailydenouement: why should we embrace lesson observations?

#ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:55 I don't like the stress but I am lucky that my feedback has really

helped me improve my teaching. #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:55anybody tried just self observations at all? #ukedchat

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jamesmichie 20:55 #ukedchat Jumping in at the last min. Both observer & observee

need 2 c obs as PD not just a jumping through hoops exercise.

bluemoonjules 20:56

Ha! RT @john_at_muuua: RT @dughall: RT @ATBespokeIT: "We are

all magpies as teachers. Steal shiny ideas!" #ukedchat & shiny

tweets! :-)

CreativeSTAR 20:56 #ukedchat Observations are good cos feedback helps us all feed

forward

leeandrewdunn 20:56

RT @didactylos: #UKEdChat we should embrace lesson observation

as we all want to get better and its a good way of doing that - but its

FOR US!

Iris_Connect 20:56

@garyaveryict why not? :) #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:56 #ukedchat I always take risks in my obs, try stuff out - that way I willget truly honest/critical feedback.

john_at_muuua 20:56 observations should not cause stress. they should be so natural that

it's part of what we do, not confrontational. #ukedchat

Laura_987 20:56

@dailydenouement >> when you made decisions. What would go

through your mind in that situation etc. We choose our own focus.

#ukedchat


@Iris_Connect #ukedchat yea and cringed

Nevagonnabslim 20:57 #ukedchat my summary would be observations are as good as the

observer!

Creativeedu 20:57 Treat every normal lesson as an observervation and every

observation as a normal lesson... #UKEdChat

leeandrewdunn 20:57

#UKEdChat thanks everyone - signing off...

Mallrat_uk 20:57RT @bevevans22: bottom line is that the obs gives us a platform tolearn from. If good ,can we replicate. If not, what can we improve

#ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:57 @IRIS_Connect the camera adds pounds.. :) but I think I will

#ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:57 @nevagonnabslim but now look at you! The best eyes to feedback

on your teaching can be your own! :) #ukedchat

didactylos 20:57

#UKEdChat another brilliant one, that I didn't think I'd enjoy that

much (daft assumption) but HIGNFY is about to start so time tosneak out

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dailydenouement 20:57 RT @CreativeSTAR: #ukedchat Observations are good cos feedback

helps us all feed forward

bevevans22 20:57 bottom line is that the obs gives us a platform to learn from. If good

,can we replicate. If not, what can we improve #ukedchat

trudianns 20:58

great #ukedchat tonight lots of thoughts tot ake away :)

Iris_Connect 20:58

RT @jamesmichie: RT @Creativeedu: Treat every normal lesson as

an observervation and every observation as a normal lesson...

#UKEdChat

Creativeedu 20:58

Great talking to you all, I've learnt a lot #UKEdChat


There have been some cracking contributions tonight: much

appreciated & am sure the archive will make good reading later.#ukedchat

leeandrewdunn 20:58 RT @ukedchat: Final thoughts for #ukedchat - 2 minutes remain

(The archive is collected at 9.15)

Mallrat_uk 20:58

#ukedchat thanks for tonight people.. It's been a pleasure.

jamesmichie 20:58 RT @Creativeedu: Treat every normal lesson as an observervation

and every observation as a normal lesson... #UKEdChat

Iris_Connect 20:58 @garyaveryict :) pick your best side first :) You may well be

surprised! #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:58

observe as a student, not as a teacher. #ukedchat #PGCE

ukedchat 20:58 Final thoughts for #ukedchat - 2 minutes remain (The archive is

collected at 9.15)

GaryAveryICT 20:58

@Nevagonnabslim agreed #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:58 RT @Nevagonnabslim: #ukedchat my summary would be

observations are as good as the observer!

dailydenouement 20:58 Thanks everyone for a brilliant #ukedchat - have lots of tips to take

away in my mentor role this term. Great stuff!

LightEmitting 20:59

Observers see things that we dont. Esp. as a #pgce student, its so

easy to have the blinkers when teaching. A gd obs is priceless.#ukedchat

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tj007 20:59

A proper observation can be an opportunity to show off but also to

find ways of enhancing the learning, through focus and feedback

#ukedchat

dughall 20:59 @dailydenouement *Now* please do something birthdayish!

Thanks for a great session! #ukedchat


#ukedchat my first time here really enjoyed it and meeting you all :)

Creativeedu 20:59 I will write a blog post on this topic tomorrow - i hope it's helpful!

#UKEdChat

GaryAveryICT 20:59

Really enjoyed my first #ukedchat thanks everyone

ukedchat 20:59

Many thanks to birthday girl @dailydenouement for hosting

#ukedchat this evening. Time for cake and wine? A great debatetonight.

BAFDiploma 20:59

@Creativeedu I agree.....for a given value of Normal! ;-) #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:59

@daviderogers yes but the power of capacity building in latter has

bn eclipsed by power of evaluating in the former. need

2revist#ukedchat

didactylos 20:59

RT @jamesmichie: RT @Creativeedu: Treat every normal lesson as

an observervation and every observation as a normal lesson...

#UKEdChat

philallman1 20:59

All obs shld B 2 learn & develop. Eval cn B done thrugh other means.

Any1 cn 'pass the test' its how chn do ovr time that matters

#ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:59 RT @john_at_muuua: observe as a student, not as a teacher.

#ukedchat #PGCE AGREED!

didactylos 20:59 RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat I always take risks in my obs, try stuff

out - that way I will get truly honest/critical feedback.


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@dughall @colport Cake and wine sounds good... alas I have stuff to

do for tomorrow - but I've loved being #ukedchat birthday

moderator!

bevevans22 21:00 RT @ukedchat: Many thanks to birthday girl @dailydenouement for

hosting #ukedchat this evening.


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tj007 21:03 Thanks everyone for the great contributions tonight - I shall share

some ideas with our innovations group :-) #ukedchat

dailydenouement 21:03 @Creativeedu You can use Blastfollow (I think) and just put the

#ukedchat as the hashtag to follow... but list sounds ace too!

john_at_muuua 21:03 @colport most welcome. and a jolly good evening to you all! :-)

#ukedchat

Janshs 21:03

@colport this might work http://t.co/D7WkhCD #ukedchat

colport 21:04 @Janshs That works great, thank you for sharing within #ukedchat :-

)

dailydenouement 21:05 Right, proper tea in my new birthday teapot I think - great chattonight. Remember to check the archive later. #ukedchat

JaneDavis13 21:09

RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat Jumping in at the last min. Both

observer & observee need 2 c obs as PD not just a jumping through

hoops exercise.

JaneDavis13 21:09

RT @colport: If you have a good, positive example of a lesson

observation sheet, please share it within the #ukedchat over the

next few days. Thank you

JaneDavis13 21:10 RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat I always take risks in my obs, try stuff

out - that way I will get truly honest/critical feedback.

JaneDavis13 21:11 RT @Janshs: hope this works - an idea for lesswon obs pro forma

http://t.co/D7WkhCD #ukedchat

JamiePortman 21:13

RT @dawnhallybone: not forgetting that we are observed daily by

the ones that really matter - impt to get their feedback too

#ukedchat

DKMead 21:15

G Nuthall correctly identifies that lesson observation can only

identify teaching traits and not what learning is taking place

#ukedchat

Smichael920 21:15 #ukedchat have asked pupils 2 look 4certain things in lessons 2

support obs currently looking at questioning http://wp.me/pTgEk-T

Mallrat_uk 21:15

Right after a great #ukedchat discussion should go to bed and read

or do I stay up and watch the end of the Liverpool match with

@niallmo

SandraTweet 21:17

@colport Lesson Observation Sheet

http://www.marialandy.co.uk/docs/lesson_observations.pdf Hope

this helps #ukedchat

OhLottie 21:19

Fab East Meets West evening tonight to culminate last term's topic

on Indian subcontinent. My class' Bollywood dance was brill!#ukedchat

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OldhamNASUWT 21:20

RT @TeacherTalks: Blog-post on Gove's Education Fund: 'When is

110 million not 110 million?" http://bit.ly/aZktmn Pls RT if of

interest #ukedchat

colport 21:20 @Sandratweet Many thanks for sharing lesson observation sheet to

#ukedchat - Really interesting :-)

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