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Trajectories of Memory:
Intergenerational Representations of the Holocaustin History and the Arts
Edited by
Christina Guenther and Beth Griech-Polelle
Cambridge Scholars Publishing
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Trajectories of Memory: Intergenerational Representations of the Holocaust in History and the Arts,Edited by Christina Guenther and Beth Griech-Polelle
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
Acknowledgments ....................................................................................... vii
Introduction
Christina Guenther and Beth Griech-Polelle ..........................................ix
Part I:Acknowledging Personal Presence in the Embodied Nature of
Scholarship .....................................................................................................1
A Conversation with Marianne Hirsch and Leo Spitzer
Julia Baker .................................................................................................3
Part II:
Representations of the Holocaust in History...........................................13
Between the Known and the Could be Known: The Case of the
Escape from Auschwitz
Ruth Linn..................................................................................................15
Child Holocaust Survivors at Kibbutz Mishmar HaEmekThe Recorded
Tale UnrememberedMicha Balf................................................................................................41
The Impact of Jewish Soap and Lampshades on HolocaustRemembrance
Joachim Neander......................................................................................51
The Use of Nazi Symbols in Israel: The Politics of Holocaust Discourse
and MemoryDirk Michel ..............................................................................................79
Holocaust Survivors Attitudes toward Jewish Suicide: A PreliminaryExamination
Mark Mengerink ....................................................................................103
Place and Memory in Holocaust Survivor Oral HistoriesJamie Wraight ........................................................................................127
Voices, Visions, and Silence: Reflections on Listening to HolocaustSurvivors
Sidney Bolkosky ....................................................................................145
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Part III:
Representations of the Holocaust in the Arts ........................................157
The Golem Redux: Intertextuality in Contemporary Jewish AmericanLiterature
Elisabeth Baer ........................................................................................159
Emigrant Narratives and their Devices in Spiegelman, Foer, and Sebald
Hans Kellner ..........................................................................................175
Towards an Extension of Memory: W. G. Sebald Reads Jean AmryMarkus Zisselsberger.............................................................................191
Spectral Topographies: Locating Auschwitz in W. G. SebaldsAusterlitz
and Stephan WackwitzsAn Invisible CountrySilke Horstkotte .....................................................................................225
Images and Imagination: Monika MaronsPavels Letters
Caroline Schaumann..............................................................................249
Fragments and Beyond: Childhood Trauma in Binjamin Wilkomirskis
and Georges-Arthur Goldschmidts Holocaust Testimonies and Life-
Writing
Julia Baker..............................................................................................279
Postmemory in Austrian Post-Holocaust Literature: Thomas Bernhards
Heldenplatzand Elfriede Jelineks TotenaubergChristine Kiebuzinska ...........................................................................313
The Creation and Representation of Postmodern Geschichtsraum inDie
Kinder der Toten
Maria-Regina Kecht ..............................................................................333
Performance of Memory: Diane SamuelsKindertransport,
Tim Blake Nelsons The Grey Zone, and Holocaust Representation
Charlene Gould and Jeffrey Myers.......................................................353
List of Contributors...................................................................................375
Index ............................................................................................................381
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Acknowledgments
We are indebted to the Institute for the Study of Culture and Society
and its director, Dr. Vivian Patraka, at Bowling Green State University,
for support of this project through various stages. The book grew out of a
conference of the same title that took place on the Bowling Green State
University campus in March 2006 and included featured speakers Mari-anne Hirsch, Leo Spitzer, Atina Grossmann, Henry Hank Greenspan,
and Ernest Michel, of the UJA (United Jewish Appeal) Federation of New
York. We would like to acknowledge the collegial efforts of Bowling
Green State Universitys Colleges of Arts and Sciences and of MusicalArts, the Graduate College and the School of Art, the Fine Arts Galleries
Center, the Ethnic Cultural Arts Program, the Department of German,
Russian, and East Asian Languages, the Graduate Policy History Program
in the Department of History, and the Department of Theatre and Film, as
well as the Robert H. Jackson Center of New York, for collaborating to
bring together so many engaged speakers to our campus for the confer-
ence. We also thank all the contributors to this volume.
Many thanks to the interdisciplinary research group or Cluster enti-
tled Remembering the Holocaust, also sponsored by the Institute for theStudy of Culture and Society at Bowling Green State University 2005
2007. Many of its members, graduate students, faculty, and administrative
staff generously volunteered their scholarly expertise and organizational
talents to make this conference a rich and rigorous exchange of ideas. A
heartfelt thanks to Bowling Green State Universitys Department German,
Russian & East Asian Languages, to the Department of History, and to the
Office of Sponsored Programs and Research for financial contributions
that have made the publication of this volume possible.
We would like to acknowledge the many reviewers for their thoughtfuland cogent comments in the vetting and editing process:
Bill Albertini, Bowling Green State University
Susan Anderson, University of Oregon
Douglas Forsyth, Bowling Green State University
Margy Gerber, Bowling Green State University
Beatrice Guenther, Bowling Green State University
Geoffrey Howes, Bowling Green State University
Irene Kacandes, Dartmouth University
Edgar Landgraf, Bowling Green State UniversityNancy Michael, Bemidji State University
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Manfred Mittermeyer, Universitt Salzburg
Mary Natvig, Bowling Green State University
Mark Polelle, University of FindlayNikhil Sathe, Ohio University
Marilyn Schrude, Bowling Green State University
Annelies Schulte Nordholt, Universiteit Leiden
John Sebestyen, Trinity Christian College
Joanna Stimmel, Middlebury College
Jennifer Taylor, College of William and Mary
Larry Wilcox, University of Toledo
Our translator in a pinch, Vincent Kling, of La Salle University.
Last but not least, we would like to express our gratitude to Carol Kou-
likourdi of Cambridge Scholars Press for guiding us through the publica-
tion process, and to Mary Fahnestock-Thomas for her careful editing and
formatting of this volume.
Christina Guenther and Beth Griech-Polelle
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, Ohio
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Trajectories of Memory:
Intergenerational Representations of theHolocaust in History and the Arts
Introduction
Christina Guenther and
Beth Griech-Polelle
In her lyrical and groundbreaking film essay Die papierene Brcke(The Paper Bridge 1987), Jewish Austrian filmmaker and essayist RuthBeckermann (b. 1952) tries to answer the question: Wer sind wir, Kinder
der zweiten Generation? Was macht uns aus? (Who are we, children of
the second generation? What characterizes us?).1
These questions about
identity and its articulations, we discover in her film and writing, are di-
rectly related to transgenerational or mediated trauma of the Holocaust. Inthe postwar Austrian context, children of Holocaust survivors, like Beck-
ermann, had to contend with a particular set of problems that led to their
sense of living in limbo, in a no-mans-land, invisible (Beckermann
1989, 117). Nationally sanctioned amnesia regarding Austrian culpability
in the persecution and destruction of fellow Jewish compatriots during the
Anschluss period contributed significantly to this sense of alienation anddeterritorialization. Moreover, Jews who emigrated or returned to Austria
after 1945 did so only with the intention of eventually emigrating to Israel
or North America. Furthermore, the acute trauma often kept Holocaustsurvivors from speaking about their experiences of the Holocaust, and thissilence was often especially disconcerting for their children. Thus, given
this complex politics of memory and the tension between past trauma and
its transgenerational mediation, the construction of identity has remained a
central preoccupation not only in Beckermanns films and writing, but for
artists of the second generation in Austria and beyond.
In The Paper Bridge Beckermann sets out toward Czernowitz (Cer-nauti), in the former Bukovina, her fathers birthplace, to mend the fragile
1 Here and throughout this book, all translations are by the respective authors un-
less stated otherwise.
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or destroyed bridges between past and present Jewish life across the chasm
of the Holocaust, and to seek out pictures and locations corresponding to
the stories about her forebears. Beckermann articulates absence and lossincurred by the Nazis deadly discrimination most poignantly with her
questions in the film: Gibt es Bilder zu den Geschichten, mit denen ich
aufgewachsen bin? (Are there pictures that correspond to the stories with
which I was raised?); Wie kann man in der Kindheit der Eltern ankom-
men? (How can one gain access to the childhood of ones parents?). Ul-
timately she recognizes that she can only approach but never fully reach
those sites, i.e., the locations of the stories of her Jewish heritage. She real-
izes, too, that the (pre-Holocaust) childhood of ones parents is physicallyinaccessible. Je nher, desto unerreichbarer (The closer one gets, the less
attainable it becomes), she concludes in her voiceover in the film. Clearly,
the passage of time has compounded, in a sense, Nazi attempts to erase
Jewish experience. Beckermanns film essays from the 1980s through
2006, then, represent what one might call trajectories of her memory work,
her struggle to bridge the temporal distance and counter the Jewish suffer-
ing and loss by engaging historical sources as well as familial stories, and
pairing both with intense reflection and imagination. Beckermanns life-
long project thus reflects a creative intersection of history and art and il-
lustrates the on-going challenge of finding appropriate forms for express-
ing absencedestruction, loss, and invisibilityas well as presence (see
Works Cited for further references). This was the point of departure for
our project as well.
The crisis of knowledge that is the legacy of the Holocaust and the
ever-incomplete process of making sense of this deadly discrimination and
its effects on the following generations are the focus of this volume. As
trauma specialists Dori Laub and Nanette C. Auerhahn conclude, too, in
their extensive research on trauma and memory, It is the nature of trauma
to elude our knowledge, because of both defense and deficit (Laub and
Auerhahn 1993, 288). Moreover, as those who experienced the Holocaustfirsthand become fewer and fewer, we turn our attention to how the next
generations meet their postmemorial obligation of co-witnessing (Hirsch
and Kacandes 2004, 18), defining, and representing the Holocaust forthemselves and for generations to come.
In March 2006 we invited scholars across academic disciplines
history, literature, theater studies, visual arts, political science, philosophy,
psychology, and sociologyto Bowling Green State University to explore
the continued effects of the Holocaust on the present, on the ways in
which the presentsixty years after the end of World War IIattempts tounderstand, (re-)define and represent received history or a vicarious
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past (Young 2000) and the implications of this memory work on the con-
struction of personal and national identities. For, as Andreas Huyssen so
directly states, the Holocaust has become a cipher for the twentieth cen-tury as a whole and for the failure of the project of enlightenment; it is
also a powerful prism through which we may look at other instances of
genocide (Huyssen 2003, 13). Moreover, since the discursive reign of
the Shoah in our collective imagination is as apparent as ever and recur-
rent metaphorical use of the Holocaust threatens to erase it, it is the task of
each generation to reflect on the ways in which we make sense of it and
represent it for future generations (Lentin 2004, 14).
A number of excellent studies of the Holocaust and its representationhave appeared in the last decade (Hirsch and Kacandes 2004; Hoffman
2004; McGlothlin 2006; Vice 2003; Welzer, Moller and Tschuggnall
2003; Fuchs, Cosgrove and Grote 2006). The particular contribution of
this volume to the evolving Holocaust discourse lies in its attempt to jux-
tapose accounts of personal traumatic memory and collective memory,
historical and artistic representations of the Holocaust, and German, Aus-
trian, Israeli, and American perspectives. Thus, in addition to their attempt
to provide an interdisciplinary and cross-cultural perspective, the contribu-
tions as a whole reflect on the particularities of generationally inflected
Holocaust writing and representation.2 All contributors to this volume are
particularly cognizant of the fact that sixty years after the end of World
War II, this past is inherited not experienced, i.e., a shadow, even the
uncanny in Eva Hoffmans words (66), yet that there is no closure no
Final Solution to the question of representation with regard to the Holo-
caust (Lentin 2004, 19). Furthermore, as Vivian Patraka notes in her study
of Holocaust theater, representations of the Holocaust are a mark of
goneness, and representing it is a process, an ongoing struggle, an ongo-
ing performance (Patraka 1999, 4) in which we have a moral and peda-
gogical obligation to engage.
We chose the word trajectories for our conference and volume titlebecause memories (and their representations in the arts and in the social
sciences) are not linear but multidimensional, fluid, even palimpsested,
and often with no discernable destination. Personal and collective memo-ries in particular meander, sometimes converging or antithetical, even dis-
placed or forgotten. As Kerwin Lee Klein reminds us in his cogent study
On the Emergence ofMemory in Historical Discourse, memory is also asocial phenomenon that is located in rules, laws, standardized proce-
2 At our conference in March 2006, Irene Kacandes proposed this term as an alter-
native to second- or even third-generation Holocaust literature.
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dures, and records books, holidays, statues, souvenirs Memory is
not a property of individual minds, but a diverse and shifting collection of
material artifacts and social practices (Klein 2000, 130). It is our inten-tion in this volume to examine and compare the most current trends in the
discourse of memory in Holocaust studies as articulated in the two disci-
plines of history and literary studies.
This interdisciplinary collection of articles on the Holocaust begins,
appropriately enough, with an interview with Marianne Hirsch and Leo
Spitzer, two of the keynote speakers at the conference, conducted by Julia
Baker during the symposium. Both Hirsch, a scholar of literary and cul-
tural studies, and Spitzer, a historian, reflect on the intersection of disci-plines and on locating their subjective voices and personal/familial memo-
ries within their professional academic research. Their latest joint project
on the Holocaust, a co-authored book forthcoming under the title Ghostsof Home: The Afterlife of a City in Jewish Memory and Postmemory, in-vestigates points of memory as Hirsch and Spitzer frame their approach
to archival photographs, evidence that is paradoxically both concrete and
ambiguous, and a resource for objective and emotional truths of the past
(2006a; see also 2006b). Beyond emphasizing the interconnectedness of
personal and professional biographies, the link between the embodied
being and his or her presence in scholarship, they pose crucial questions
regarding the impact and purpose of Holocaust memory work with regard
to atrocities in todays world. Finally, they continue their own discussions
of how to read photographs in both historical and literary contexts, an en-
terprise in memory studies that brings together private and public spheres,
presences and absences, always also stretching the historical imagination.
The first section of the volume, Trajectories of Memory in History,
presents new research by historians on the intersection between memory
and history, two terms that, although often used synonymously in histori-
cal writing, represented antitheses until some two decades ago, when they
began to be yoked together in a supplemental relationship (Klein 2000,128). Historians base their craft on many different components, and per-
haps one of the most compelling yet elusive of these continues to be mem-
ory. Personal memories, contained in diaries or memoirs, in trial testimo-nies, in newspaper interviewsall of these move us and help us to under-
stand the reality of a time we did not experience directly for ourselves. Yet
we also know that many memories, as social practices, are silenced, while
still others are never recorded and are almost entirely lost to us.
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Representations of the Holocaust in History
In her essay, Between the Known and the Could be Known: TheCase of the Escape from Auschwitz, Ruth Linn addresses the efforts of
two men, Rudolf Vrba and Fred Wetzler, who managed to escape from the
concentration camp together in April 1944 and sought to inform the worldabout what was taking place there. Together they wrote a thirty-page re-
port describing the gassings, the executions, and the starvation of inmates
at Auschwitz and submitted their findings to Jewish leaders still alive in
Slovakia, who then assured the two men that the report would be dissemi-
nated to the rest of the world. The Vrba-Wetzler Report was the first
document about Auschwitz to reach the free world and to be accepted ascredible. What became of the Vrba-Wetzler report and why do so few
people know of its existence? And, more importantly, why dont many
people know that two Jewish men did the unthinkableescaped from
Auschwitz successfully? Linn has examined the fate of the story of Vrba
and Wetzler among the Israeli public and in Hebrew school textbooks. She
asks, Why was such an unprecedented heroic act in Jewish history absentfrom the narrative of the Israeli collective Holocaust memory? Further-
more, after Linn met with Vrba and interviewed him, she wondered why
his memoir was not available in Hebrew and what the possible agenda wasbehind this silence. Her work reveals that the story of Vrba and Wetzlers
escape and their subsequent efforts to inform and warn Jews conflicted
with a hegemonic Holocaust narrative of Jews who disbelieved the infor-
mation, even when it was given to them, and thus went like sheep to the
slaughter.
In the essay Child Survivors at Kibbutz HaEmekThe Recorded
Tale Unremembered, Micha Balf reconstructs the process of forgetting a
memory. Beginning in the mid-1940s child survivors of the Holocaust
were arriving at Kibbutz HaEmek, most of them orphans. The kibbutz
community welcomed these children and, in the course of their schooling,
encouraged each child to record her or his memories, which were then
published in pamphlet form and distributed throughout the kibbutz. Yet in
the year 2000 not one person on the kibbutz remembered any of these
pamphlets. All of those interviewed insisted that survivors never spoke
about their experiences. Silence was etched into their collective memory.
Balf asks, How was this possible? The community leaders of the kibbutz
had been very well-informed regarding the destructive process in Europe
and had held numerous commemorative events in 1943, 1944, 1945, and
1946. This commemorative process was crowned by the installation of the
first memorial site on a kibbutz and in Israel overall: the Gola Corner,
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which was dedicated to the deceased children lost during the Holocaust. It
represented a site of bereavement and mourning, and that is how the well-
documented memories of surviving children were lost. In the kibbutzscommunal narrative only the dead were honored; living children and their
stories of survival did not fit into this commemorative act. Balf traces a
process of collective amnesia in which individual stories are forever lost in
a collective narrative that seems to have no place for them.
Joachim Neander discusses two legends, namely that the bodies of
Jews were turned into soap on an industrial scale in Nazi Germany and
that the skin of the victims of the Holocaust was transformed into lamp-
shades. He shows how these stories first appeared as rumors and that, de-spite having long since been refuted by serious scholars, the idea of soap
and lampshades made out of victims of the Holocaust has taken on a life
of its own, almost as an urban legend, consistently reappearing. These
accepted truths have appeared in political speeches, in artworks, in gen-
eral histories, in popular culture, and even in displays in museums dedi-
cated to the Holocaust. The underlying danger, as Neander points out, is
that once such legends have been proven as false, Holocaust deniers and
revisionists seek to use that information to question the veracity of
genocide in general.
In The Use of Nazi Symbols in Israel, Dirk Michel shows how Holo-
caust memory and the Israeli discourse of nation-building began as a sort
of founding mythology of the Israeli state, and how over time the political
use of both Holocaust discourse and Holocaust memory has been
employed for political ends by the Israeli government and by their oppo-
nents. Beginning with the founding legends of the Israeli state, Michel ar-
gues that the events chosen to be included in the collective memory have
been designed to refute the image of the weak Jew, and that likewise the
institutionalization of memory, such as at Yad Vashem, have demon-
strated again the connection between the Holocaust, the new state of Is-
rael, and fighting against the idea of Jewish weakness. Finally, Micheltracks the rise of Holocaust discourse in Israeli political life, from David
Ben-Gurion likening Arabs to Nazis, to settlers in Gaza resisting evacua-
tion by the Israeli army and comparing themselves to deportees of theWarsaw Ghetto and the military to the Gestapo. Through numerous exam-
ples such as these, Michel seeks to encourage self-reflection in the politi-
cal arena of Israeli politics.
How do survivors relate their memories? What do they choose to pre-
serve in writing and what is revealed in oral interviews? The essays by
Mark Mengerink and Jamie Wraight explore the various ways in whichHolocaust survivors remember certain elements of their experiences.
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Given Western civilizations Judeo-Christian heritage, which holds that all
life is holy and that taking ones own life is a deadly sin, it is not surpris-
ing that for many survivors, the topic of suicide is taboo. Nevertheless,Mengerink breaks this taboo and analyzes Holocaust survivor attitudes
toward the act of suicide, revealing a broad spectrum of responsesfrom
condemnation of such cowardice, to admiration of such resistance, to
ambivalence depending on the intent and/or the after-effects of the suicide.
In most of the cases examined by Mengerink, practicing what Lawrence
Langer terms deep memory has been avoided, in some cases to the point
where the person who committed suicide has no name. It also becomes
clear that an investigator might learn quite different things from reading amemoir and from sitting down to discuss the topic of suicide in an oral
history interview. In many cases, Mengerink has found that even when in-
terviewees bring up the topic of suicide, their responses are limited or un-
focused.
Jamie Wraights essay confirms that the results of a written narrative
and an oral history interview can be very different and considers the influ-
ence of geographical place in eliciting memory, because so many survi-
vors narratives build their story around a specific landscape. His findings
suggest that in written memoirs or in diaries the description of the concen-
trationary universe is presented as a neat and tidy landscape, filled with
barracks, guard towers, barbed wire fences, and sometimes the crematoria
and gas chambers. Its social landscape is peopled with guards, Kapos,
prisoners, and even civilian workers. The reader is struck by the sense of a
place of order and detachment. Oral history, on the other hand, is able to
capture the chaos, the uncertainty, and the absolute terror of the experi-
ence, and the listener often receives a deeper, more visceral experience of
the concentration camp universe. In Wraights opinion, the oral history
interview provides its audience with images, rather than concepts as pre-
sented in written accounts.
Sidney Bolkosky urges all researchers to pay careful attention to whatsurvivors are trying to express in oral history narratives. Both the speaker
and the listener immediately experience the poverty of language to express
the memory, and the narrative may not flow in a straight line, may seemdisorderly, as the interviewee considers How can I tell you about this?
Bolkosky urges listeners to observe the silences and acknowledge the
flood of memories as the survivor struggles to find adequate expression
for his/her experience. He suggests that perhaps, because of the inability of
language to capture the enormity of the actual experiences of Holocaust
survivors, our comprehension, at best, must rely on fragments of theirmemories and deep, eloquent silence.
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Representations of the Holocaust in
Contemporary Fiction and Theater
In their important interdisciplinary collection of articles Teaching theRepresentation of the Holocaust (2004), Marianne Hirsch and IreneKacandes emphasize that access to the Holocaust for the generations born
after 1945 is not only multiply mediated. In their words, the Holocaust
can provide some of the most sophisticated interrogations of representabil-
ity, of the limits of art, of speech in the face of unspeakability, and of the
intersection of ethics and aesthetics (7). By retrieving and reflecting on
gaps, even lapses and incongruence between personal and collective
memory and forgotten testimonial documents in the first section of thisvolume, historians point to the constructed and socially structured charac-
teristic of not only collective historical narratives but also personal memo-
ries, and explore the different ideological trajectories of Holocaust dis-
course in Israel, Central Europe, and North America.
In the second section of this volume, scholars in literary, cultural, and
theater studies again examine the way in which Holocaust discourse has
continued to develop in various cultural and national contexts and across
generations at the turn of the twenty-first century. The contributions ad-
dress the following questions: How do artists, scholars, and teachers nego-tiate the language of the Holocaust as survivors die, leaving future genera-
tions to respond to the dictum: Never again? How do children and grand-
children of survivors, perpetrators, even bystanders transmit the difficultlegacy of the Holocaust in the German and Austrian context while navigat-
ing feelings of transgenerational guilt or victimhood? How can we do jus-
tice to survivor testimony when the survivors can no longer speak directly
or mediate the testimony to us? How does transferred and multiply medi-
ated knowledge translate into meaningful artifacts for the next generations,
so that they might have a significant impact on national and even globalunderstanding of genocide? To what extent can members of the genera-
tions without lived experience of the Holocaust represent it adequately and
responsibly?
In the first article, on reappropriations of the Golem legend in the last
decade, Elizabeth Baer explores Jewish fiction and its narrative particu-
larities in the decades after the Holocaust, calling into question Adornosinjunction that poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric. Taking the lead from
literary critics Geoffrey Hartman and Sue Vice, Baer explores how inter-
textuality as a postmodern device and concept calls into question how sto-
ries or texts reflect reality and creates a tentative continuity across the di-
vide caused by atrocities. In her words, intertextuality as a concept can be
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said to instantiate the disruption, induced by the Holocaust, of our notions
of human nature, evil, and history-as-progress, of meaning itself. In in-
vestigating reanimations of the Golem story as a paradoxical symbol ofJewish imaginative creation, Baer sets out to demonstrate how American
writers such as Cynthia Ozick, Pete Hamill, Daniel Handler, and Michael
Chabon and Thane Rosenbaum affirm a text-centered, moral Jewish tradi-
tion in the post-Holocaust era.3
Hans Kellner extends this discussion of the covenant of contemporary
Jewish literature by posing the question of authorial ethics with regard to
Holocaust representation. In other words, he explores recent artistic Holo-
caust representations in terms of their historicity, subject to the changesin passions of historical interest. Kellner identifies an artistic device he
calls emigrant narratives prevalent in second- and third-generation art
that captures the tension between lived trauma, which while authentic is
becoming regretfully inaccessible as the survivor generation passes, and
the possibility of new modes of Holocaust representations that might fill
the void and redefine the relation between past and present. Kellner under-
stands these emigrant narratives as nomadic devices that reflect a drifting
of discourse through time, spreading the origin farther and farther afield,
even as that origin is released and progressively clouded. He provides
various examples of nomadic devices, ways in which successive genera-
tions negotiate meaning and represent the Holocaust. Kellner finds that Art
Spiegelman uses (oedipal) masking in his double-volumed comic strip
Maus, Jonathan Safran Foer adopts thesaural doubling in his 2002 novelEverything Is Illuminated, Sebald semantic drift in Austerlitz (2001), andall thereby dramatize the witnessing of the witness without arriving at a
clear-cut conclusion.
In the next two articles, both Markus Zisselsberger and Silke Horst-
kotte provide close and rich readings of W. G. Sebalds Austerlitz in jux-taposition to a second German-speaking author. In his reading of Sebalds
novel, Zisselsberger emphasizes the interconnectedness of the ethics andaesthetics of testimony on the part of the postmemorial subject. He ex-
plores the question of how Sebald attempts in his literary scholarship and
3 Interestingly, Cathy S. Gelbin concludes about the literary Golem trope in Ger-
man and Austrian Jewish writing of the 1990s that although [a] figure of destruc-
tion and messianic rebirth, the Golem now embodies the resistance, continuity, and
revival of Jewish culture in Europe after the genocide and Cold War ideological
divides (Fuchs, Cosgrove, and Grote 2006).
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fiction to allow witnesses of the Holocaust, specifically Austrian-born
writer and Holocaust survivor Jean Amry, to speak. How do we, belong-
ing to the generations who did not witness the Holocaust, arrive at an ethi-cal mode of reading in which we do not simply appropriate experiences
that we did not live, in order to extend memory into the present? Zis-
selsberger identifies the trope of travel coupled with narration as dialogic
exchange as Sebalds mode to access Amrys traumatic and incommuni-
cable memories and experiences in Austerlitz. In Zisselsbergers words,what Sebald passes on to the reader in Austerlitz through its dislocationsand intertextual detours [that] gather the remnants of the past and
search the traces of traumatic life-histories [is] the ethical and imaginativeinvestment that Amry and, more particularly, his texts demanded from
the reader (14). By way of this intertextual extension the reader is
called upon to confront the incommunicability of trauma.
By contrasting SebaldsAusterlitz with Stephan Wackwitzs 2003 Einunsichtbares Land. Ein Familienroman (An Invisible Country 2006),Horstkotte, by contrast, explores yet another dimension. The central ques-
tion of her article revolves around locating Auschwitz in these two post-
memorial texts, post-Wall novels written as the New Berlin Republic is
negotiating a renewed national identity grounded in a responsible official
memorial culture. Horstkotte, like Zisselsberger, highlights the signifi-
cance of the trope of travel and its relationship to both time and
space/location inAusterlitz andAn Invisible Country. Indeed, in her read-ings of the novels, Horstkotte excavates the ways and processes by which
memory [and forgetting are] mapped onto the topography of post-war
Europe in both. She also reflects on the varied uses of photography and
its attendant association with the spectral, haunted past and the uncanny in
each text. In both novels she recognizes that Auschwitz, while represent-
ing an enigmatic, difficult-to-pinpoint cipher whose meaning must con-
tinue to be investigated, remains at the center of not only German but
European (socio-political) topography.In her article on another contemporary East/West German author,
Monika Maron, Caroline Schaumann considers the integration of family
photography in autobiographical fiction about the Holocaust in the NewBerlin Republic. For Schaumann, Marons Pavels Briefe (1999; Pavels
Letters 2002) is particularly central to a discussion about traumatic mem-ory and transgenerational suffering and guilt, because it deals with the
complex legacy of perpetratorship, bystanders, and victimhood within one
familys trajectory of memories. For Schaumann, Maron engages in the
extension of postmemory in reflecting on a bi-generational voice andimagination. The narrator must navigate her own, her mothers (postwar
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GDR communist) and her grandfathers (Jewish communist) perspectives.
Having never met the grandfather who was killed by the Nazis, the narra-
tor can only access his life through the memory and memorylessness ofher mother and through documents and photographs bequeathed to her by
her dead grandfather. Again, location and travel are significant in the ex-
cavation and representation of Jewish devastation and absence. And de-
spite documents and family photographs, authentic memories, the narra-
tor realizes, are impossible to access. What can be remembered entails the
engaged imagination in the present of each generation to come, as demon-
strated by Marons narrator inPavels Letters.Julia Bakers contribution to representations of the Holocaust in the
arts problematizes the notion of authenticity in relation to traumatic expe-
rience and autobiographical writing as she turns to two texts about child-
hood trauma, one fictional and the other defictionalized. She juxtaposes
Bruno Grosjean/Dssekkers, a.k.a. Binjamin Wilkomirskis, controversial
and fictional account of a childhood Holocaust survivor, Fragments:Memories of a Wartime Childhood (1996; published in 1995 in Germanunder the title Bruchstcke. Aus einer Kindheit 19391948), and Frenchauthor and child Holocaust survivor Georges-Arthur Goldschmidts recent
autobiography ber die Flsse (Across the Rivers; French 1999, Germantranslation 2001). Baker explores the production of life-writing in each.
Grosjean/Dssekker resorted to fictionalizing his trauma into a convincing
Holocaust memoir. Baker observes that Goldschmidt, by contrast, trans-
formed his traumatic memories into a series of fictionalized texts only to
succeed, finally, in arriving at what Baker terms a defictionalized life
story with his most recent work. Situating her discussion of these two texts
in psychological and sociological discussions of childhood trauma and textproduction, she concludes that the initial success ofFragments as a Holo-caust memoir has to do with its convincing adherence to an established
form of Holocaust testimony, a seemingly authentic therapeutic practice
of making sense of traumatic memory. Baker shows how workingthrough trauma is, however, a much more complex matter. Goldschmidt
was engaged in a thirty-year process of fictional memory writing, a proc-
ess by which he ultimately only slowly reenactedthus interpretedhis
own traumatic life story, his mode of working through the atrocity.
Both Christine Kiebuzinska and Maria-Regina Kecht provide engaging
discussions of the way in which two of the most significant Austrian writ-
ers critique Austrian postwar cultural politics, with its collective amnesiaregarding its involvement in the atrocities committed against Jewish com-
patriots during the Third Reich. Kiebuzinska demonstrates how ThomasBernhards Heldenplatz, written during the commemorative year 1988,
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fifty years after the Anschluss, and Nobel Prize-winner Elfriede Jelineks1991 Totenauberg represent postmodern enactments of postmemory.
Kiebuzinska illuminates Bernhards and Jelineks dramatic strategies ofcritique. Bernhard, for Kiebuzinska, highlights ahistorical stasis and the
pervasive contemporary fascist discourse in Austrian politics and media
through his use of narrative circularity and the repetition of historic tropes,
while Jelinek cleverly utilizes a palimpsest of landscapes (Alpine to
Auschwitz), with its disconcerting associations with Austrian nationalist
identity discourses.
In her reading of Elfriede Jelineks very dense and complex 1995
novelDie Kinder der Toten (Children of the Dead), Maria-Regina Kechtalso recognizes Jelineks narrative strategy of deconstructing the relation-
ship between landscape and Austrian understanding ofHeimat(homeland)and identity. For Kecht, Jelinek creates her most sophisticated critique of
the dominant historical/mental space, a collective Geschichtsraumfounded on the legacy of multi-ethnic Habsburg and, despite the various
commemorative ceremonies in 1988, denies or distorts the historical real-
ity of anti-Semitism and the persecution and murder of Austrian Jewish
compatriots in the late 1930s and 1940s. Kecht explores how Jelinek
counters official Austrian collective memory(lessness) in her postmodern
novelby solidly anchor[ing] intertextual play in extratextual historicalevents, an aesthetic strategy on the level of lexic, discourse, story, and
history that never allows for closure. Kecht identifies Jelineks project of
continually deconstructing and reframing Austrians historical conscious-
ness, the ideological nature of landscapes, so central to the notion of na-
tional identity in Austria, as moral commitment to justice and tolerance.
The final contribution to this volume merges theory and practice most
directly in Holocaust memory work while also successfully blending the
disciplines of history and theater studies. Charlene Gould and Jeffrey
Myers reflect on their collaborative work in the recent stagings of two
Holocaust dramas, Diane SamuelsKindertransport(1995) and Tim BlakeNelsons The Grey Zone (1998) at Avila University in Missouri, as ameans of re-presenting traumatic memory of the Holocaust at a time when
the survivors are no longer accessible. Their pedagogy of Holocaust mem-ory engaged students in serious study of historical documents coupled
with creative imaginings, active involvement in constructing collective
and individual memories of trauma, and a commitment to secondary wit-
nessing through a dialogic performance where the community of specta-
tors is encouraged to participate in the performative experience of trauma
through talk-back sessions.
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Bearing in mind the cross-cultural and transnational interest in this
type of study and the importance of language in the construction of ideas,
we have chosen to include quotations in the original language with theEnglish translation in the body of the articles unless otherwise indicated.
This collection in no way represents a completed process of memory work
in Holocaust studies. The transcultural, transgenerational, and interdisci-
plinary perspectives only highlight the need for a continued engagement
with the study of the Holocaust and its impact on the way in which we
perceive our communities and the responsibilities we have toward future
generations.
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Part I:
Acknowledging Personal Presencein the
Embodied Nature of Scholarship
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A Conversation with
Marianne Hirsch and Leo Spitzer
Julia Baker
This interview was conducted at the conferenceTrajectories of Memory:
Intergenerational Representations of the Holocaust in History and the
Arts, held at Bowling Green, Ohio, United States, 2326 March 2006.
JULIA K. BAKER: I am always surprised at how much both of you share
about your personal lives in your academic work. I have never come
across anybody else who reveals so many personal details, photographs,
letters, and memories in their writing. From my point of view as a reader,this is one of the many aspects that make your work so approachable and
attractive. Have you always written like that, or how did this writing dev-
elop? Do you sometimes regret your strong presence in your texts?
LEO SPITZER: I have not always written like that. I am a historian and,
generally speaking, academic historians tend to avoid the personal voice.In orthodox academic historical practice, the historian is not supposed to
be evident in the text. Such historical work is characterized by a seamless
narrative and impersonal, omniscient, historical voiceby the avoidance
of the historians personal voice, and a masking of the constructed nature
of historical inquiry and writing. What happened was that I began to resist
these conventionsthese presentations of an omniscient, objective, his-torical voice devoid of personality and subjectivity. I wanted to show how
the historian is invested in the construction of a historical accounthow
he or she shapes and constructs it as an embodied being, with a subjectiv-ity and personal history that need to be taken into account. So I therefore
began to introduce my personal voice into my historical writing.
In the first book I wrote, The Creoles of Sierra Leone: Reactions to
Colonialism [1974], my personal voice is actually not very evident in the
narrative text. But when I started working on my second book, Lives in
Between [1990], I became very interested in comparing Jewish emancipa-
tion, assimilation, and exclusion with that of Africans and Afro-Brazilians
over the course of the late eighteenth, nineteenth, and twentieth centuries.
My idea was to carry out that analysis through comparative family history.And in the early stages of my research an incredible thing happened.
Searching for materials on Jewish families on whom I might focus, I went
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to the Leo Baeck Institute in New York to see what, in their rich archival
holdings, they might have on the family of Stefan Zweig, who had been
one of my parents favorite authors. When I examined their catalogue, Ifound that, among other holdings, they owned a Zweig family genealogy.
But the catalogue reference I had found read: for Zweig, see Spitzer.
This was so weird.
The explanation for this of course was that in the eighteenth century,
Zweigs and Spitzers had intermarried in the Habsburg realmand, indeed,
when I then began to unravel the genealogy of that family and to expand
on it, I realized that I was researching not only the story of the family of
Stefan Zweig, but also that of a branch of my own family. And I becameso personally invested and involved in that story that I felt that my per-
sonal voice needed to be apparent in the book I was writing. And after
completing that book I decided that my voice should certainly be visible in
my subsequent work,Hotel Bolivia [1999], which is a book about Jewish
emigration to Latin America in the era of World War IIa story in which
I was both a personal participant and of which I became a historian. And
in the aftermath of that bookat this pointI can no longer conceive of
writing history without acknowledging my personal presence.
So there you go, a very long answer to a short question.
MARIANNE HIRSCH: I probably have a long answer for you, too. No, Idid not always write that way, because that is not how we were taught towrite at all. When I was first in college and graduate school, we did not
even use I in our papers, and in fact I grew up with New Criticism and
structuralism, so even the authors of the literary works we were writing
about remained almost anonymous. We were interested in the text, which
was not even historically contextualized. The authors biography was not
important, and then, in structuralism, there was the death of the author in
favor of the text. Its really been a long route from then to where I am
now.On the other hand, I would say that almost everything I have written
and published has been personal. My dissertation was about exile and
emigration, about how different worlds interact with one another in the
space of narrative. As an immigrant myself, I closely identified with
Henry Jamess, Michel Butors, and Uwe Johnsons characters and with
the narrative choices the authors made. Later, when I became involved in
feminist work, I wrote about mothers and daughters, and that also was
very personal. Mostly the personal part was in the introduction and pref-
ace; the rest was a theoretical and literary discussion of mothers anddaughters.
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It was when I started working on family photography that I found that
you could not analyze that genre without actually looking at your own
photographs. To account for the power of these objects, of why a smallsquare of paper is invested with so much affect, we really have to look at
our own family images and think about them closely. And that is where
the self-revelation and the more autobiographical writing came in for me,
and became important not only to do, but also to interrogate.
But of course none of this is separate from what was happening in the
world of scholarship at large: I think there has to be a permission to do
that kind of work. When we first started to do that, we were actually fel-
lows at the National Humanities Center in North Carolina, and we wereinvolved in a seminar on personal criticism and personal scholarship. We
read a lot of examples and talked about them. It was a moment: Alice Kap-
lan had publishedFrench Lessons, for example, and Nancy K. MillerGet-
ting Personal. There were some who were very skeptical; they thought
this kind of writing to be too narcissistic, too exhibitionist. By reading ex-
amples, you could tell that often there is a very fine line of saying too
much or too little.
And, as you said, using personal material to make a larger theoretical
point, or just telling the story for its own sakein which case it is some-
thing elseis not an easy thing to do. But people were really beginning to
do that in the 90s; and there was also the question: who had the permis-
sion to do that? Do you have to have tenure, for example? For me it comes
out of feminist theory and understanding that the personal is the political
and the personal is the scholarly. I believe in the embodied nature of
scholarship. So I am a great advocate of it, but I dont think that the auto-
biographical element is essential.
You know, I was the editor of PMLA for the last three years, and I am
reading a lot of scholarly work, and mostly it is not at all autobiographical.
I always look for the story of a mind working through a problem even if I
dont know the personal story of that person. You really want to feel thatscholarly work is grounded in some way in the world. That is what I
would advocate. And I dont think that I will always write like that, but I
will always write about things that I care deeply about, and in that sense Iwill be in them.
JULIA K. BAKER (to MARIANNE HIRSCH): In your article Past Lives:
Postmemories in Exile [1996] you wrote about your efforts to organize a
trip for yourself and your parents back to Czernowitz, how you kept
checking back with them, and how you finally found out that they reallydid not want to go. During your keynote address on Thursday [Strolling
the Herrengasse: Street Photographs in Archival and Personal Memory,
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held on 23 March], it was nice to learn that your parents apparently did
eventually go back with you. I thought it was also interesting to see the
photo you took of your parents in the Herrengasse. How does this photo(in which they are standing) compare to those that show them strolling the
Herrengasse as a young couple? And a more general question to both of
you: How does your current book project fit into this idea of a return?
MARIANNE HIRSCH: Thats interesting. When we took the photo of
them in 1998, I dont think we were consciously thinking of all those other
street photos particularly. But somehow, through some lucky stroke, we
took it around the same spot that they were taken by street photographers
in the 1920s, 30s, and early 40s. The Herrengasse was a Begriffof
course we went right there and they told us about it; it was an obviousplace to take a photo of my parents. Perhaps we were thinking of that little
picture of them in the same spot in 1942, during the worst time of persecu-
tion, subliminally, because that picture was in the album, but we had not
really investigated it or thought about it. Our link to it, in 1998, was just a
subliminal pull.
LEO SPITZER: That photo, actually, was taken with a video camera. So
we do have them walking on the Herrengasse as well. We can animate the
photo.
JULIA K. BAKER (to MARIANNE HIRSCH): What do you think of your
parents in the photo from 1998?
MARIANNE HIRSCH: Well, it is a completely different moment in their
lives. Not only have they changed, but the place has changed as well. You
can see it even in the photohow quiet it is, how little street activity there
is. It was much more lively in the 30s; there were more stores, more peo-
ple, more activity, and in 1998 it was a very quiet place. Then when we
went back in 2000, it was more lively again. But yes, we went on that trip;
it was probably related to my parents reading the article you mentioned
and they said, I guess you really want to go. And we also found out
through other people that the trip was not as complicated as we had
thought. It was a great trip; they loved it. We actually wrote an article
about the trip; it is called We would not have gone without you.
JULIA K. BAKER (to MARIANNE HIRSCH, then to LEO SPITZER): You
turned over the old photo of your parents to find the year in which it was
taken. This process of turning the photo over to find something so interest-
ing and to make it the basis for a scholarly investigation is something Ifound Prof. Spitzer also did in The Album and the Crossing [1999].
Didnt you also turn a photo over and find something new and interesting?
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Have you come to turn all old photos over to look at their backsides?
Could you reflect on that process? Do you think of yourself as a detective?
LEO SPITZER: Yes, thats right, I first wrote about turning photos in apiece that subsequently became part of a chapter inHotel Bolivia. There I
had been puzzled by a series of photos in an album that my parents had
put together of their shipboard crossing from Europe to South America in
1939photos, in effect, of their forced emigration from Nazi Austria to
Bolivia. There was a tremendous incongruity in those photos between
what they appeared to depicta relatively pleasant voyage aboard the Ital-
ian Lines SS Virgilio, and the reality that they were in fact refugees who
not only had just escaped the horrors of post-Anschluss Austria, but who
were also in mourning for my grandfather Leopold, who had died aboardthe very ship on which they were traveling.
It was only when I accidentally turned the photos over, after trying to
remount and fix them more securely in the old album, that I found my fa-
thers handwritten comments that totally contradicted the pleasant images
the photos seemed to reflect. This clearly demonstrated what seems like an
obvious point, but one very often missed: that when we read photos for
the historical evidence they might provide, we need to read them not just
for their indexicalityfor their connection to something that stood before
the camera lens in the pastbut also for what they dont show, or mask,or hide. In a sense, I guess, when we remain aware of that and try to readimages beyond their frame and beyond the apparent, we are doing a form
of detective work.
JULIA K. BAKER: You are working on a book together. Are you going
to do that again? Do you work well together?
LEO SPITZER: A book project is a big undertaking, and I hope that we
are reaching the conclusion of this project by the end of this year. It has
been a rich and fascinating experience for me because Marianne and Ihave very different working styles. And in order to work together, we had
to adjust our practices. I tend to be a slow writer. It has always been diffi-
cult for me to go on to a next sentence before I feel that the previous sen-
tence is rightwell written and reflective of my intent. When I com-
plete a piece, I dont like to revise very much; I revise and revise again
while I am in the process of creation. Marianne works much faster, com-
pletes more than I do in a session, and revises in subsequent drafts. I think
that in the course of our collaboration, however, we have influenced each
other, and we have managed to work out a writing practice that seems towork well and that leaves both of us satisfied.
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I feel very fortunate to be married to a partner with whom I enjoy col-
laborating intellectually, and to be immersed with her creatively in a pro-
ject in which we share similar backgrounds and to which we bring differ-ent disciplinary training. I am of course not from Czernowitz, the place we
are writing about, nor is my family. Her family is from there. But I do
have an Austrian-Habsburg background (Czernowitz was the capital of the
Habsburg province of the Bukowina), and the experience of Jewish eman-
cipation, assimilation, and emigration that is so central to the story of
Czernowitz Jews is extremely familiar to me from both my work on Vien-
nese Jews and from my own family history. In my work on Czernowitz
that historical and familial background has been incredibly influential.And for me personally it has been a tremendous advantage to benefit
from Mariannes literary imagination and theoretical sophisticationto
look at things in a different way, and to learn how to read documents and
visual materials in a manner that is different from the way a historian
might approach them. Collaboration has been a great and rich learning ex-
perience for me. When we finish this project, I look forward to working
together again, perhaps not on such a large project, but on many more
smaller ones.
MARIANNE HIRSCH: Yes, our work came together in our previous two
books. I was working on family photography and Leo was working onHo-tel Bolivia. And I am not sure whether he would have done so much withthe photos if I had not looked at photos all the time. And my own work,
until very recently, has not been particularly historically inflected. I just
did not really know how to do that kind of research and how to write his-
torical narratives; as I told you, I was not really trained that way. I have
learned to pay much more attention, and to learn.
When we first started doing this, we were worried because we do have
such different writing styles, but the adjustment has been great. It has been
really exciting. I am not sure whether we will do another book together,but I am sure there will be articles and smaller pieces. And now we get
invitations and we drag each other along and say, do this with me.
Somehow it feels more reassuring and it is a lot more fun. So we do these
presentations together.
One of the biggest challenges in the book is the voice. As a genre, this
book is a second-generation memoir. But the voice in a memoir cannot be
we, so we had to solve that problem. We did it by writing different
chapters in different first-person voicesperhaps a bit of a challenge for
the reader, but most of the time it is really clear who is speaking.
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