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FOI - ATISN 12146 – REQUEST FOR EMAILS BETWEEN KEVIN TAYLOR AND BOB VAUGHAN (NRW), MICHELLE VAN-VELZEN (NRW) & MARTYN EVANS (NRW) AND ANDREW BRONWIN & JOHN EVANS (ANDREW BRONWIN & CO LTD)

There are no relevant or direct exchanges between Andrew Bronwin and Michelle Van-Velzen. Michelle Van-Velzen is copied into one email exchange, further below. However, Kevin Taylor did not receive any response from her.

Email correspondence between Kevin Taylor and John Evans: From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) To: John Evans (Andrew Bronwin & Co) Sent: 28 February 2018 15:14

Subject: RE: A0057371 Glastir Woodland Creation Scheme Contract

Sorry John, both [WG official 9] and I are seeking a response from RPW policy colleagues. Will get back to you as soon as we hear from them. Regards, Kevin. Kevin Taylor

Rheolwr Polisi Glastir - Glastir Policy Manager Yr Uned Strategaeth a Pholisi – Strategy and Policy Unit

Yr Is-adran Amaeth – Cynaladwyedd a Datblygu – Agriculture - Sustainability and Development Division Economi, Sgiliau a Chyfoeth Naturiol / Economy, Skills and Natural Resources

Any of the comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Government, any constituent part or connected body.

Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: John Evans (Andrew Bronwin & Co) Sent: 28 February 2018 15:06 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Subject: RE: [RPW customer CRN] Glastir Woodland Creation Scheme Contract Importance: High

Kevin We are still chasing the contract we have ground prep contractors, tree planters and fencers lined up. Please can you up date as nil response from RPW online. The weather is making things tighter this extremely urgent. John From: Kevin Taylor Sent: 21 February 2018 09:27 To: John Evans (Andrew Bronwin & Co) Subject: RE: [RPW customer CRN] Glastir Woodland Creation Scheme Contract

We’ve checked our end John and it’s been posted. There may be a bit of a time lag. If you check again and it’s not there, let me know and I’ll see if I can get it emailed to you. Thanks. Kevin. Kevin Taylor Rheolwr Polisi Glastir - Glastir Policy Manager

Yr Uned Strategaeth a Pholisi – Strategy and Policy Unit Yr Is-adran Amaeth – Cynaladwyedd a Datblygu – Agriculture - Sustainability and Development Division

Economi, Sgiliau a Chyfoeth Naturiol / Economy, Skills and Natural Resources


Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: John Evans (Andrew Bronwin & Co) Sent: 20 February 2018 16:01 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Subject: RE: [RPW customer CRN] Glastir Woodland Creation Scheme Contract Importance: High

Hi Kevin Please can you tell me the nature of this enquiry. As agents the last query we can see is that relating to state aid and that was responded to on the 15/12/2017 Regards John From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Sent: 20 February 2018 15:52 To: John Evans (Andrew Bronwin & Co) Subject: RE: [RPW customer CRN] Glastir Woodland Creation Scheme Contract

Hi John, we are awaiting a response from Mr Clement to an enquiry MST have posted on his RPW online account, which you may have access to. We’ll need to see what we get before we know more. Thank you. Kevin. Kevin Taylor Rheolwr Polisi Glastir - Glastir Policy Manager


Economi, Sgiliau a Chyfoeth Naturiol / Economy, Skills and Natural Resources


Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: John Evans (Andrew Bronwin & Co) Sent: 20 February 2018 12:50 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Subject: [RPW customer CRN] Glastir Woodland Creation Scheme Contract Importance: High

Dear Kevin Please could you let us know as a matter of urgency what the status regarding the contracts for this scheme are. Time is extremely short if we are to prepare and plant this season. Thank you Regards John Evans Andrew Bronwin & Co Ltd Brynllys 11 High Street Llandrindod Wells POWYS LD1 6AG www.bronwin.co.uk

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Email correspondence between Kevin Taylor and Martyn Evans: From: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Sent: 11 October 2017 14:06 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Cc: Charlton, Karl (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Subject: New planting proposal at Nant Y Fuwch

For awareness.

From: Evans, Martyn Sent: 11 October 2017 14:05 To: Rubin Irvine Cc: Driscoll Wendy (Staff Cymorth Aelod Cynulliad | Assembly Member Support Staff) Subject: RE: New planting proposal at Nant Y Fuwch

Dear Mr Irvine I hope this email finds you well. Please find attached an email I sent you a moment ago regarding the Environmental Impact Assessment. To clarify, every application under the Glastir Woodland Creation scheme requires an Environmental Impact Assessment (Forestry) opinion to assess whether consent is needed for a new planting proposal. Applications under the Glastir Woodland Creation scheme are sent for an EIA opinion once a final Glastir planting proposal in place. Please find more information in the attached email and on our website. You will note from previous discussions that Natural Resources Wales does not routinely contact neighbours directly to confirm their support of a new planting proposal. However, it is good practice for those proposing new woodlands to engage with neighbours, community councils and other local groups. We work with landowners and woodland planners to encourage and maximise this good practice, though the landowner and woodland planner is ultimately responsible for local stakeholder consultations. I am pleased to hear that the woodland planner has consulted with you and other neighbours and requested comments by 20

th October. Please could you send any comments directly

to the planner by this date, rather than my original date of Friday 13th October. In the attached email I suggest a rearranged site visit to enable the woodland planner to join us. I would be grateful for your thoughts on this matter. Kind regards, Martyn

_____________________________________ Martyn Evans Uwch Ymgynghorydd Arweinydd Tîm (Glastir) | Senior Advisor Team Leader (Glastir) Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru | Natural Resources Wales

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From: Rubin Irvine Sent: 11 October 2017 13:52 To: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Cc: Driscoll Wendy (Staff Cymorth Aelod Cynulliad | Assembly Member Support Staff) Subject: Re: New planting proposal at Nant Y Fuwch

hi Martyn, Am confused by your deadline as neighbours have had letter from planners asking for their opinion by 20 October, and Lesley Griffiths has sent a letter saying EIA won't go ahead until my FOI request is completed, and we are having a meeting on site on 17th October. Could you please confirm that 13th October deadline no longer stands and that NRW will not be assessing the application re verification until proper consultation is completed. Also could you please explain what is meant by 'not been sent for an opinion' and why this decision has been taken? thank you Rubin

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On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Rubin Irvine wrote: Hi Martyn, Sorry, just found your email re site visit and I can confirm that Oct 17th is good for me. Unfortunately this is after your deadline for our objections and we therefore request that your deadline be moved to enable us to discuss this with you on site before completing our consultation reply. I am confused that you say in this email that this proposal has not been sent for an opinion re EIA when both your email from Aug 25th and from Sept 14 say that all Glastir woodland creation plans require an opinion. Also emails sent by Karl Charlton to ourselves [23rd Aug], Andrew Bronwin [23rd and 24th Aug] and an internal email sent on 22nd Aug all refer to an immanent EIA. Have Bronwin and co submitted a EIA opinion form? Can you please explain why this fairly large proposal has not been sent for EIA opinion. We have also made it clear to yourself and Karl Charlton, amongst others, that we consider the land to beenvironmentally sensitive with rare and protected species. From your comment it sounds like we have seen the same application as you. The application we have says on it, under Stakeholder Statement The new planting will fill in with the surrounding landscape of hedges and small woods. The owner

gets on well with the adjacent landowners and has discussed the proposals with them over the summer

– July-August 2017.

Detail: Farming Neighbours

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Grazing: The land to be

planted has not been grazed for

9 months

The grazier was Emyr George,

Uchaf Cniw Farm, Llanfyndd,

Carmarthenshire, SA32 7RD

who is also a neighbour. No

objections to

the proposals

Jim Thomas, Dyffryn,

Llanfyndd, Carmarthenshire,

SA32 7TT – No objections

Eirwan Dyer, Neuadd Farm,

Ynys Brechfa, Llanfyndd,

Carmarthenshire, SA32 7TX –

No objection

Neighbour

Mo Davies, Darren Fawr,


SA32 7TU. Visited tic over the

summer, keen on the planting

because of its

wildlife benefits. (Use to farm

in the area but has retired.)

Llandeilo Angling Association

The current access to the Cothi river bank from the parking

points will be maintained. See

map on page 11. The river bank is

currently heavily tree’d with broadleaves and the

additional proposed 10m

broadleaf buffer have no adverse

effect on the fishing We understand that at least 2 of the cited neighbours have contacted Andrew Bronwin and co and that CCC have also replied re the scheme. We wonder, therefore, if you have a more up to date version than ourselves? Or do Andrew Bronwin forward new consultations as and when they arrive

in their offices? It appears from the wording that Llandeilo Angling Association have not been consulted. We would like to draw your attention to the comment that "the owner gets on well with adjacent landowners and has discussed the proposals with them". We are an adjacent landowner with land and house in the middle of the proposed planting scheme. So not only are we not on good terms with the owner, who we are having a legal dispute with, but we are not even marked on the planting plan or included in the consultation. Yours Rubin Irvine & Laura Prazsky On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Rubish Bin wrote: Thank you Martyn, We did discuss having a site visit, you were going to send me some dates? ta Rubin On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Evans, Martyn wrote:

Dear Mr Irvine,

I hope this email finds you well.

I write with regards to the new planting proposal at Nant Y Fuwch.

In accordance with the UK Forestry Standard, Natural Resources Wales ensure that all statutory bodies are formally consulted and notified of each new woodland proposal. Natural Resources Wales does not routinely contact neighbours directly to seek their views on a new planting proposal. However, it is good practice for those proposing new woodlands to engage with neighbours, community councils and other local groups. We work with landowners and forest agents to encourage and maximise this good practice, though the landowner is ultimately responsible for local stakeholder consultations.

During our telephone conversation on Thursday 14th September 2017 you confirmed that the forest agent, Andrew Bronwen and Co, sent you a copy of the latest, revised planting proposal for Nant Y Fuwch on Wednesday 13

th September 2017.

I can confirm that the applicant has this week submitted this revised planting proposal to Natural Resources

Wales.

Natural Resources Wales will now assess this information to advise whether the new planting proposal meets

Glastir scheme rules, the UK Forestry Standard and value for money requirements. This process is known as

verification.

To ensure that your feedback is duly considered in our decision making process, please provide a written

consultation response on the proposal by close of business on Friday 13th October 2017. Your response should

be sent directly to the woodland planner for their consideration, though you are welcome to send a copy to our

Glastir team. You can do this by emailing [email protected]

Please note that our verification role sits independently of our role as Regulatory Authority under the the

Environmental Impact Assessment (Forestry) (England and Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2017. In

accordance with these regulations we determine whether new planting proposals will have a significant impact

on the local environment.

I can confirm that the new planting proposal has not been sent for an opinion under these regulations.

mailto:[email protected]

I will continue to keep you updated, though should you require any further information please contact our

Access to Information team at [email protected].

Kind regards,

Martyn

_____________________________________

Martyn Evans

Uwch Ymgynghorydd Arweinydd Tîm (Glastir) | Senior Advisor Team Leader (Glastir)

Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru | Natural Resources Wales

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From: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Sent: 11 October 2017 13:48 To: Rubin Irvine Subject: RE: New planting proposal at Nant Y Fuwch

Dear Mr Irvine Thank you for your email. As I have outlined previously, every application under the Glastir Woodland Creation scheme requires an Environmental Impact Assessment (Forestry) opinion to assess whether consent is needed for the new planting proposal. An application is sent for an EIA opinion once we have a final planting proposal in place. This is to ensure the determination is being made on the correct afforestation design. As you know, our verification is ongoing and we continue to liaise closely with the land owner, woodland planner and external partners to ensure that any new planting safeguards wildlife and the

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environment, enhances the local landscape and carefully manages our natural resources. In addition we want the woodland planner to take due consideration of local feedback in the proposal. As we do not have a final proposal we are not yet in a position to submit the application for an EIA opinion. I hope this clarifies the matter. Thank you for your separate email on the site visit. I have given the site visit some though and I believe it would be more appropriate for our site visit to include the woodland planners, John Evans and Andrew Bronwen. I feel this would provide a better opportunity to discuss the planting proposals, raise questions and comments and discuss any possible mitigation measures or revisions to the proposal. It will also enable you to highlight specific points of interest or concern, for example your reference to areas of the site being environmentally sensitive with rare and protected species. I discussed this idea with Andrew Bronwen yesterday, who is supportive but unable to attend on 17

th

October. Could I therefore suggest we rearrange the site visit for another date. Could I please propose either Wednesday 1

st November or Friday 3

rd November, at a time to suit you.

Please note that I will attend with another member of Natural Resources Wales, as observers. Kind regards, Martyn


Dysgwr Cymraeg





Hi Martyn, Sorry, just found your email re site visit and I can confirm that Oct 17th is good for me. Unfortunately this is after your deadline for our objections and we therefore request that your deadline be moved to enable us to discuss this with you on site before completing our consultation reply.

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I am confused that you say in this email that this proposal has not been sent for an opinion re EIA when both your email from Aug 25th and from Sept 14 say that all Glastir woodland creation plans require an opinion. Also emails sent by Karl Charlton to ourselves [23rd Aug], Andrew Bronwin [23rd and 24th Aug] and an internal email sent on 22nd Aug all refer to an immanent EIA. Have Bronwin and co submitted a EIA opinion form? Can you please explain why this fairly large proposal has not been sent for EIA opinion. We have also made it clear to yourself and Karl Charlton, amongst others, that we consider the land to beenvironmentally sensitive with rare and protected species. From your comment it sounds like we have seen the same application as you. The application we have says on it, under Stakeholder Statement The new planting will fill in with the surrounding landscape of hedges and small woods. The owner

gets on well with the adjacent landowners and has discussed the proposals with them over the summer

– July-August 2017.




9 months





objections to

the proposals







No objection

Neighbour





because of its










effect on the fishing We understand that at least 2 of the cited neighbours have contacted Andrew Bronwin and co and that CCC have also replied re the scheme. We wonder, therefore, if you have a more up to date version than ourselves? Or do Andrew Bronwin forward new consultations as and when they arrive in their offices? It appears from the wording that Llandeilo Angling Association have not been consulted. We would like to draw your attention to the comment that "the owner gets on well with adjacent landowners and has discussed the proposals with them". We are an adjacent landowner with land and house in the middle of the proposed planting scheme. So not only are we not on good terms with the owner, who we are having a legal dispute with, but we are not even marked on the planting plan or included in the consultation. Yours Rubin Irvine & Laura Prazsky On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Rubin Irvine wrote: Thank you Martyn, We did discuss having a site visit, you were going to send me some dates? ta Rubin On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Evans, Martyn wrote:

Dear Mr Irvine,



In accordance with the UK Forestry Standard, Natural Resources Wales ensure that all statutory bodies are formally consulted and notified of each new woodland proposal. Natural Resources Wales does not routinely contact neighbours directly to seek their views on a new planting proposal. However, it is good practice for those proposing new woodlands to engage with neighbours, community councils and other local groups. We work with landowners and forest agents to encourage and maximise this good practice, though the landowner is ultimately responsible for local stakeholder consultations.

During our telephone conversation on Thursday 14th September 2017 you confirmed that the forest agent, Andrew Bronwen and Co, sent you a copy of the latest, revised planting proposal for Nant Y Fuwch on Wednesday 13

th September 2017.


Wales.



verification.












Kind regards,

Martyn

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Martyn Evans



Dysgwr Cymraeg


Yn falch o arwain y ffordd at ddyfodol gwell i Gymru trwy reoli’r amgylchedd ac adnoddau naturiol yn gynaliadwy.

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From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Sent: 26 September 2017 14:59 To: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Cc: Charlton, Karl (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru); Evelyn Over (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Subject: GWC Nant-y-Fuwch - update please.

Martyn, I believe you, or one of yours, provided a very useful update on this application when a neighbour complained to Karl about it. At the time I was able to say an EIA determination had not been arrived at by NRW. I have now had further ministerial correspondence about it, so grateful if you could provide the latest position on this one, please, including progress on the EIA determination and any public consultation carried out since. Many thanks. Kevin. Kevin Taylor


Yr Is-adran Amaeth – Cynaladwyedd a Datblygu – Agriculture - Sustainability and Development Division Amaeth, Milfeddygaeth, Bwyd a’r Môr / Agriculture, Veterinary, Food and Marine


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From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Sent: 09 October 2017 13:42 To: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Cc: Vaughan, Robert (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Subject: RE: Official sensitive: Glastir Woodland Creation (GWC) proposals near Brechfa.

Thank Martyn, so: Thank you for your email of 1 October, regarding Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) procedures in respect of woodland planting proposals at Nant y Fuwch, near Brechfa. My officials have contacted Natural Resources Wales (NRW) to enquire on my behalf and I am informed NRW are not yet in a position to send this proposal for an EIA opinion. I understand NRW are still discussing the proposals with the management planner and are awaiting community consultation responses. NRW will inform you when the EIA determination process starts, once they have completed the necessary procedures. If you have any further queries regarding this matter, my officials will be pleased to assist you and they can be contacted at [email protected]. Kevin. Kevin Taylor

Rheolwr Polisi Glastir - Glastir Policy Manager


Amaeth, Milfeddygaeth, Bwyd a’r Môr / Agriculture, Veterinary, Food and Marine


Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Sent: 09 October 2017 13:13 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division)

Cc: Vaughan, Robert (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Subject: RE: Official sensitive: Glastir Woodland Creation (GWC) proposals near Brechfa.

Hi Kevin Thanks for your message. Not back in until tomorrow. Please note we will not contact this person directly to "give an EIA opinion". I will however inform when the EIA determination process starts. Please could you change your draft to reflect this. Thanks Martyn Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Sent: 09/10/2017 11:27 To: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Cc: Vaughan, Robert (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru)mailto:[email protected] Subject: RE: Official sensitive: Glastir Woodland Creation (GWC) proposals near Brechfa.

mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]

Martyn, thanks again for getting back on this. I have drafted the following: Thank you for your email of 1 October, regarding Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) procedures in respect of woodland planting proposals at Nant y Fuwch, near Brechfa. My officials have contacted Natural Resources Wales (NRW) to enquire on my behalf and I am informed NRW are not yet in a position to send this proposal for an EIA opinion. I understand NRW are still discussing the proposals with the management planner and are awaiting community consultation responses. NRW will contact you to give an EIA opinion in due course, once they have completed the necessary procedures. If you have any further queries regarding this matter, my officials will be pleased to assist you and they can be contacted at [email protected]. It needs to go up today, so shout if there’s anything not right. Kevin. Kevin Taylor Rheolwr Polisi Glastir - Glastir Policy Manager

Yr Uned Strategaeth a Pholisi – Strategy and Policy Unit Yr Is-adran Amaeth – Cynaladwyedd a Datblygu – Agriculture - Sustainability and Development Division Amaeth, Milfeddygaeth, Bwyd a’r Môr / Agriculture, Veterinary, Food and Marine

Any of the comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Government, any constituent part or connected body. Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Sent: 05 October 2017 18:50 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division); Vaughan, Robert Subject: RE: Official sensitive: Glastir Woodland Creation (GWC) proposals near Brechfa. Hi Kevin Apologies for brevity. Am still on leave but I'm trying to keep on top of things. Can you arrange for a copy of the email you mention to be sent to me please. I'd be grateful if this could happen for all correspondence in and out so we can keep track on all requests and responses. In summary, you'll note that every GWC scheme requires an EIA opinion determination. We are not yet in a position to sent this proposal for an EIA opinion. We are still discussing the proposals with the planner and awaiting community consultation responses. In my last correspondence with the planner last week, I confirmed that the proposal has not yet been sent for an EIA. Martyn Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Sent: 02/10/2017 09:57 To: Vaughan, Robert (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru)


Cc: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Subject: Official sensitive: Glastir Woodland Creation (GWC) proposals near Brechfa.

Bob, I believe Martyn is on leave this week, hence why I am contacting you and I hope you can assist me. I have been passed ministerial correspondence to draft a further response in respect of a GWC case at Nant-y-Fuwch, near Brechfa, received from a Mr Irvine. The Cabinet Secretary (CS) has already sent a response to previous correspondence from Mr Irvine, in which it is pointed out that a determination under the EIA (Forestry) process will be given by NRW. Mr Irvine has now written back, saying “The email below is from NRW and says that an assessment will not happen.” No mention was made of an ‘assessment’ in the response sent to Mr Irvine from the CS. If you need to see the full response, I will see if I can arrange transfer via Egress. Martyn also mentioned that Mr Irvine is appealing a freedom of information outcome, which may have put the determination process on hold, and I have mentioned this in a response I have drafted to go to Mr Irvine’s AM, Adam Price. In order to inform my latest draft response, I would be grateful if you could update me on where NRW are in respect of the verification process for Nant-y-Fuwch – CRN [RPW customer CRN], EoI ref 7451051. Happy to discuss and thank you for any assistance you can provide. Kevin. Kevin Taylor Rheolwr Polisi Glastir - Glastir Policy Manager

Yr Uned Strategaeth a Pholisi – Strategy and Policy Unit Yr Is-adran Amaeth – Cynaladwyedd a Datblygu – Agriculture - Sustainability and Development Division Amaeth, Milfeddygaeth, Bwyd a’r Môr / Agriculture, Veterinary, Food and Marine Any of the comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Government, any constituent part or connected body. Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef.

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From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Sent: 12 October 2017 11:27 To: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Cc: [WG official 5] (ESNR - ERA - Land, Nature & Forestry) [WG official 5]; [WG official 7] Subject: RE: New planting proposal at Nant Y Fuwch

Martyn, I wonder at what point we (and I mean ‘we’) need to point out to affected neighbours they could contact the ICF (or other recognised industry body) if they feel they have not been sufficiently, or ethically, if that’s the right word to use, consulted? Kevin. Kevin Taylor




Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Sent: 11 October 2017 14:06 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Cc: Charlton, Karl Subject: New planting proposal at Nant Y Fuwch

For awareness.

From: Evans, Martyn Sent: 11 October 2017 14:05 To: Rubin Irvine Cc: Driscoll Wendy (Staff Cymorth Aelod Cynulliad | Assembly Member Support Staff) Subject: RE: New planting proposal at Nant Y Fuwch

Dear Mr Irvine I hope this email finds you well. Please find attached an email I sent you a moment ago regarding the Environmental Impact Assessment. To clarify, every application under the Glastir Woodland Creation scheme requires an Environmental Impact Assessment (Forestry) opinion to assess whether consent is needed for a new planting proposal. Applications under the Glastir Woodland Creation scheme are sent for an EIA opinion once a final Glastir planting proposal in place. Please find more information in the attached email and on our website. You will note from previous discussions that Natural Resources Wales does not routinely contact neighbours directly to confirm their support of a new planting proposal. However, it is good practice for those proposing new woodlands to engage with neighbours, community councils and other local groups. We work with landowners and woodland planners to encourage and maximise this good practice, though the landowner and woodland planner is ultimately responsible for local stakeholder consultations. I am pleased to hear that the woodland planner has consulted with you and other neighbours and requested comments by 20

th October. Please could you send any comments directly

to the planner by this date, rather than my original date of Friday 13th October. In the attached email I suggest a rearranged site visit to enable the woodland planner to join us. I would be grateful for your thoughts on this matter. Kind regards, Martyn


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hi Martyn, Am confused by your deadline as neighbours have had letter from planners asking for their opinion by 20 October, and Lesley Griffiths has sent a letter saying EIA won't go ahead until my FOI request is completed, and we are having a meeting on site on 17th October. Could you please confirm that 13th October deadline no longer stands and that NRW will not be assessing the application re verification until proper consultation is completed. Also could you please explain what is meant by 'not been sent for an opinion' and why this decision has been taken? thank you Rubin

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On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Rubish Bin wrote: Hi Martyn, Sorry, just found your email re site visit and I can confirm that Oct 17th is good for me. Unfortunately this is after your deadline for our objections and we therefore request that your deadline be moved to enable us to discuss this with you on site before completing our consultation reply. I am confused that you say in this email that this proposal has not been sent for an opinion re EIA when both your email from Aug 25th and from Sept 14 say that all Glastir woodland creation plans require an opinion. Also emails sent by Karl Charlton to ourselves [23rd Aug], Andrew Bronwin [23rd and 24th Aug] and an internal email sent on 22nd Aug all refer to an immanent EIA. Have Bronwin and co submitted a EIA opinion form? Can you please explain why this fairly large proposal has not been sent for EIA opinion. We have also made it clear to yourself and Karl Charlton, amongst others, that we consider the land to beenvironmentally sensitive with rare and protected species. From your comment it sounds like we have seen the same application as you. The application we have says on it, under Stakeholder Statement The new planting will fill in with the surrounding landscape of hedges and small woods. The owner

gets on well with the adjacent landowners and has discussed the proposals with them over the summer – July-August 2017.

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effect on the fishing

We understand that at least 2 of the cited neighbours have contacted Andrew Bronwin and co and that CCC have also replied re the scheme. We wonder, therefore, if you have a more up to date version than ourselves? Or do Andrew Bronwin forward new consultations as and when they arrive in their offices? It appears from the wording that Llandeilo Angling Association have not been consulted. We would like to draw your attention to the comment that "the owner gets on well with adjacent landowners and has discussed the proposals with them". We are an adjacent landowner with land and house in the middle of the proposed planting scheme. So not only are we not on good terms with the owner, who we are having a legal dispute with, but we are not even marked on the planting plan or included in the consultation. Yours Rubin Irvine & Laura Prazsky On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Rubin Irvine wrote: Thank you Martyn, We did discuss having a site visit, you were going to send me some dates? ta Rubin On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Evans, Martyn wrote:

Dear Mr Irvine,



In accordance with the UK Forestry Standard, Natural Resources Wales ensure that all statutory bodies are

formally consulted and notified of each new woodland proposal. Natural Resources Wales does not routinely

contact neighbours directly to seek their views on a new planting proposal. However, it is good practice for those proposing new woodlands to engage with neighbours, community councils and other local groups. We

work with landowners and forest agents to encourage and maximise this good practice, though the landowner is

ultimately responsible for local stakeholder consultations.

During our telephone conversation on Thursday 14th September 2017 you confirmed that the forest agent, Andrew Bronwen and Co, sent you a copy of the latest, revised planting proposal for Nant Y Fuwch on

Wednesday 13th September 2017.


Wales.



verification.













Kind regards,

Martyn

_____________________________________

Martyn Evans



Dysgwr Cymraeg


Yn falch o arwain y ffordd at ddyfodol gwell i Gymru trwy reoli’r amgylchedd ac adnoddau

naturiol yn gynaliadwy.





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From: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Sent: 01 December 2017 15:35 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Cc: Vaughan, Robert (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru); [WG official 3] (ESNR - ERA - Rural Payments Wales) ; [WG official 4] (ESNR - ERA - Rural Payments Wales) ; [WG official 5] (ESNR - ERA - Land, Nature & Forestry) ; Jenkins, Ruth (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru); Van-Velzen, Michelle (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Subject: Official sensitive: Complaint to the Welsh Government.

Hi Kevin,

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Many thanks for this. [WG official 5] and Ruth and Michelle – cc) will recall that I raised this matter at our meeting on Monday. As our verification of this new planting proposal is ongoing and as Welsh Government are responsible for managing the registered woodland planners, I don’t believe it’s appropriate for me to lead your response. However, I’m happy to share NRW’s opinion on the complaint, share the evidence NRW have to help inform the Welsh Government and suggest some recommendations. Please find this in the below and attached. I attach a summary of emails received by NRW from the registered woodland planners regarding the complainant. NRW would agree that the statements made by the registered woodland planners are unprofessional. In addition, it is NRW’s view that the overall level and nature of community engagement for the Nant Y Fuwch scheme has been unsatisfactory. To ensure support from stakeholders and the local community, and for the long-term success of any new woodland, NRW argues that it is essential that this engagement begins at the earliest possible stage. However, NRW have needed to input significantly to support and facilitate the community consultation process, through extensive correspondence with the complainant and other internal and external consultees, and by organising a series of site visits. However, it is worth noting that both the UKFS and Glastir rules state that stakeholder engagement is the responsibility of the landowner. While this does not explain some of the statements made in emails by the registered woodland planners, NRW are not in a position to know what information the landowner provided, i.e. around matters relating to the ongoing legal dispute. In addition, you’ll note that community engagement is listed as good practice in the UKFS, rather than a mandatory requirement. NRW believes this is something the Glastir Woodland Creation rules can and needs to address as soon as possible. Furthermore, it is also worth noting that the complainants residence, Ty’r Bedw, was not included on the original planting proposal submitted by the registered woodland planner. Please see the attached map labelled V1. Through NRW’s verification role and the consultation and engagement processes this has been rectified, as shown on the map labelled V7. However, NRW considers this a fundamental and improper omission that a registered woodland planner should not make. It also leads NRW to question whether the registered woodland planners visited the proposal before submitting the plan. NRW believes that the Glastir Woodland Creation plan should be amended to include a question to confirm whether a registered woodland planner has visited a site. Finally, while the registered woodland planners have informed NRW that planting is not proposed on land currently under dispute, there is no mechanism for NRW to confirm what areas are under management control. As previously agreed with Welsh Government, management control is ratified by the MST. Owing to the complicated nature of the proposal at Nant Y Fuwch, NRW emailed Rural Payments Wales on 11

th October 2017 to query what management eligibility checks were made.

Specifically, what management control checks took place, the field parcels that formed part of the expression of interest (EOI) and copies of any supporting legal documents. NRW have yet to receive any information. Suggested recommendations

Welsh Government use their functions under the Glastir scheme rules to warn the registered

woodland planners in question. NRW provided information for planner warnings in 2016 and

earlier this year, please find this attached.

This complaint and Welsh Government’s response are submitted to the Institute of Chartered

Foresters for further action.

Training is provided to specifically address stakeholder engagement. NRW have already

discussed this topic with the Institute of Chartered Foresters and they are willing to run

training on this for Wales, subject to funding.

The Glastir Woodland Creation plan should be amended to include a question to confirm

whether a registered woodland planner has visited a site.

Welsh Government verifies that their management control checks adequately address

ongoing legal disputes.

Mandatory standards are put in place for stakeholder engagement when planning and

designing all new woodland creation proposals.

Kind regards, Martyn


Dysgwr Cymraeg

Ffôn | Tel [direct number for Martyn Evans] | [mobile number for Martyn Evans] Twitter @MartynEvansNRW www.cyfoethnaturiol.cymru | www.naturalresources.wales



From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Sent: 30 November 2017 15:03 To: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Cc: Vaughan, Robert (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) ; [WG official 3]; [WG official 4]; [WG official 5]; [WG official 6] Subject: Official sensitive: Complaint to the Welsh Government.

This time to the correct Martyn. Martyn, the Welsh Government has received a complaint from Mr Rubin Irvine, below. As all the interaction seems to have been between NRW, Andrew Bronwin & Co. and Mr Irvine, I wondered if you could act as the lead for this complaint and provide me with a response in respect of it. I will then appropriately format for issue from the Welsh Government. Needless to say, I am happy to discuss. Thank you. Kevin. Kevin Taylor


Yr Is-adran Amaeth – Cynaladwyedd a Datblygu – Agriculture - Sustainability and Development Division

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Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: [WG official 2](OFMCO - Organisational Development & Engagement) On Behalf Of Complaints Sent: 29 November 2017 13:47 To: RPD Policy Appeals and Complaints; Complaints Cc: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division); [WG official 3] (ESNR - ERA - Rural Payments Wales) Subject: RE: for [WG official 2]

The Complaints Advice Team has received a complaint from Mr Irvine about the unprofessional behaviour of two registered woodland planners. You have agreed to act as the lead official. This complaint should be considered through the informal stage of the process and so a response is due within 10 working days. I will acknowledge receipt of the complaint for you. Action for you to take:

Investigate the concerns raised and write a draft response. Guidelines are

provided in the Staff handling complaints guidance.

A draft copy of your response should be e-mailed to the Complaints mailbox by

11/12/2017 for consideration and for lines to be added so that the complainant

is aware of their options if they are not satisfied with the outcome.

If in very exceptional circumstances it is not possible to forward a full response by this date,

please contact me via the Complaints mailbox as soon as possible for advice. Please keep me updated on the progress of this complaint including forwarding any copies

of correspondence with Mr Irvine to the Complaints mailbox. In the meantime, if you require any further assistance on the handling of this complaint, please let me know.

Kind regards

[WG official 2]

Yr Is-adran Ymgysylltu a Datblygu Sefydliadol Organisational Development and Engagement Division Swyddfa’r Prif Weinidog a Swyddfa’r Cabinet Office of the First Minister and Cabinet Office

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From: Rubin Irvine Sent: 27 November 2017 16:27 To: Complaints

Subject: for [WG official 2]

Hi Gemma, I would like to register a complaint with welsh government about the unprofessional behaviour of two registered woodland planners. In email exchanges between Martyn Evans and Karl Charlton of NRW and Andrew Bronwin and John Evans of Andrew Bronwin and Co it was suggested that I was a squatter, didn't pay tax, was a liar, was hostile and not a legal landowner. I understand that their client has told them stories but it is not their place to say such things. These things were said by people that don't know me and have never met me. These emails were sent between june and september this year. Thanks for your help Rubin Irvine

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Glastir Woodland Creation Nant Y Fuwch [RPW customer CRN] www.naturalresourceswales.gov.uk Page 1 of 2 A summary of emails received by Natural Resources Wales from the registered woodland planners regarding Mr Rubin Irvine On 18th May 2017 the NRW Glastir Team received an application for new planting at Nant Y Fuwch under the Welsh Government’s Glastir Woodland Creation scheme. On 31st May 2017 the NRW Glastir Team emailed the registered woodland planner, Bronwen and Co, to request permission to visit the Nant Y Fuwch site on 28th June 2017 to assess the new planting proposal. John Evans, a registered woodland planner and employee of Bronwen and Co, replied to the NRW Glastir Team to confirm the visit. However in this email, John Evans asked NRW “not [to] access the site from the farmhouse but from the BOAT. The farmhouse is being squatted in and the squatter can be unpleasant. The issue is going to tribunal in a month as the squatter is claiming adverse possession on the farmhouse, buildings and approximately 3 acres (cpts 3 & 13) below the farmhouse. The owner has title on all”. The name of the person referred to in the email was not provided to the NRW Glastir Team.

The NRW Glastir Team visited the site on 28th June 2017. NRW staff acted on this information in good faith and therefore complied with all NRW hostile situations procedures. On 21st August 2017 the NRW Customer Care Centre received a call from a Mr Rubin Irvine regarding the Nant Y Fuwch new planting proposal. The NRW Glastir Team called Mr Irvine on the same day. In this telephone conversation, a member of the NRW Glastir Team asked Mr Irvine whether he was consulted about the Nant Y Fuwch new planting proposal. Mr Irvine said he had been notified of bracken treatment, but not informed about the woodland management plan. On the same day a member of the NRW Glastir Team emailed the above information to John Evans. While acknowledging an ongoing legal dispute, NRW advised John Evans that Mr Irvine was a stakeholder and his views should be sought. John Evans responded in writing that he “did not think it appropriate to consult with someone who is there illegally with an enforcement notice from the Council because they don’t have planning.” The NRW Glastir Team informed John Evans of the conversation with Mr Irvine. NRW outlined an impression that Mr Irvine owned Ty’r Bedw and the dispute was over the adjacent land. NRW asked John Evans to clarify the situation. www.naturalresourceswales.gov.uk Page 2 of 2 On the same day John Evans confirmed in writing that they “have an email from Mr Irvine accepting/agreeing that our client owns Tyn Y Bedw (sic). Mr Irvine is claiming vacant possession which our client is contesting.” Following receipt of a Freedom of Information request on 23rd August 2017, the NRW Glastir Team emailed Bronwen and Co to advise that emails would be disclosed to the requester. Andrew Bronwen of Bronwen and Co informed NRW that they “aren’t seeking to hide any details of the scheme and it is tax payers money (although I doubt if Mr Irvine is a tax payer) so in principle disclosure isn’t a problem. However, please be aware that Mr Irvine is manipulative and economical with the truth. The planting is not on any land which is in dispute. Irvine is claiming some kind of squatters’ rights on 6 acres of land belonging to our client and none of the planting is on this area.” On the same day NRW informed Bronwen and Co of another email from Mr Irvine stating that he is indeed the legal owner of Ty’r Bedw. Andrew Bronwen responded in writing “Well, he isn’t and I have an email from him agreeing that Mr Clements is the owner but he, Mr Irvine, is in possession (ie squatting). Anyway, let’s not get diverted by that. We aren’t looking to plant any of the land under dispute and, as a neighbour he may have a view but because of the history and the dispute we know that Mr Irvine is going to oppose the planting and therefore his opinion has to be seen in that light.” On 24th August 2017 John Evans responded to an NRW request for more information on the stakeholder section of the woodland management plan. John Evans wrote that “One residential property is illegally squatted as have already explained. Both properties are owned by the applicant.” On 8th September 2017 the NRW Glastir Team reiterated to Bronwen and Co that, despite an ongoing legal matter with the neighbour, NRW still considers Mr Irvine to be a

consultee. The NRW Glastir Team therefore requested that the neighbour was given a copy - and made aware – of the latest planting proposals. On 11th September 2017 Andrew Bronwen emailed NRW that “As I have said before I don’t mind Ruben Irvine having a sight of the proposals but because of the legal dispute and his disruptive attitude I don’t think it would be fair to take his opinion into account. The dispute does not involve the land which the owner wishes to plant although it does surround the area Irvine is illegally squatting on. Please be aware he is very economical with the truth and takes the view that if he makes enough fuss he will get what he wants.” On 15th September 2017 the registered woodland planner confirmed that the landscape design map and management plan were emailed to Rubin Irvine. On 3rd November 2017 the NRW Glastir Team organised a joint visit to the Nant Y Fuwch proposal. Attendees included Andrew Bronwen and Robert South of Bronwen and Co, Mr Irvine and his partner Laura, Carmarthenshire Council and NRW to discuss the latest proposals and to raise concerns. The notes from this site meeting are enclosed. Martyn Evans Natural Resources Wales 1st December 2017

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From: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Sent: 08 December 2017 08:51 To: Evans, Martyn (Cyfoeth Naturiol Cymru) Subject: FW: for [WG official 2]

As discussed and for completeness to the original response I circulated… Kevin Taylor




Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: Rubin Irvine

Sent: 06 December 2017 16:42 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Subject: Re: for [WG official 2]

That's great Kevin,

I'll take that up with NRW. Could you keep me updated please thank you Rubin

On Wednesday, 6 December 2017, 14:57, Kevin Taylor wrote:

Thank you Mr Irvine, The only mention I encountered to ‘hostile’ in the evidence I was sent by NRW, was in reference to the use of their hostile situations procedures, which they complied with based on information received and acted on in good faith. I am unaware of you being described as hostile, but if you wish to make a complaint, you need to refer to the NRW complaints process. Regarding comments made by Bronwin and Co, I am not in a position to force an apology from them on your behalf and you may wish to contact them to see if they will apologise to you. I can only re-iterate that the Welsh Government apologise to you for the way in which you were referred to in correspondence between Bronwin and Co and NRW, as part of the Glastir woodland planning process. Regards, Kevin Taylor Rheolwr Polisi Glastir - Glastir Policy Manager

Yr Uned Strategaeth a Pholisi – Strategy and Policy Unit Yr Is-adran Amaeth – Cynaladwyedd a Datblygu – Agriculture - Sustainability and Development Division Amaeth, Milfeddygaeth, Bwyd a’r Môr / Agriculture, Veterinary, Food and Marine

Any of the comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Government, any constituent part or connected body. Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: Rubin Irvine Sent: 06 December 2017 14:15 To: Taylor, Kevin (ESNR - ERA - Agriculture, Sustainable Development Division) Subject: Re: for [WG official 2] Thank you, Can I add to it please. The part I have found the most hurtful is that we are described as hostile. Do I complain to you about NRW calling us hostile? I would like to add that I have still not had an apology from the woodland planners. This despite them having to admit that we do own our own property. Rubin On Wednesday, 6 December 2017, 13:55, Kevin Taylor wrote: Dear Mr Irvine, Your email to the Complaints Advice Team of the Welsh Government, regarding the behaviour of registered Glastir woodland planners Andrew Bronwin and John Evans of Bronwin and Co, has been passed to me to investigate and respond.

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Your complaint has been considered in accordance with the Welsh Government’s Complaints policy and procedure, which is available by post on request and on our website at: http://gov.wales/contact_us/makeacomplaint/?skip=1&lang=cy I have now received evidence from Natural Resources Wales which shows you were referred to in the terms you suggest. It is not for me to investigate whether the remarks are true or not, but to decide whether they reflect how the Welsh Government expects registered Glastir woodland management planners to behave in respect of producing a Glastir woodland plan. I have decided this is not acceptable behaviour and wish to apologise for any offence or upset this has caused you. The Welsh Government has an investigation and sanctions process in the terms and conditions for the registration of Glastir woodland management planners and I will carry out an internal and, in accordance with Publication and Disclosure of Information legislation, confidential investigation and take appropriate action in line with the relevant terms. If you are not confident in an internal investigation under the terms and conditions for the registration of Glastir woodland management planners, you may wish to contact the Institute of Chartered Foresters for them to carry out their own investigation under their code of conduct. If you are dissatisfied with my response to your complaint, or if you feel the response is not accurate or sufficient, you can request a formal review by writing to: Complaints Advice Team Welsh Government Cathays Park Cardiff CF10 3NQ Telephone: 0300 025 1378 Email: [email protected] If you are content I have dealt with your complaint satisfactorily, then I will proceed to close it, whilst still carrying out the investigation I refer to above. If you are not satisfied, please could you indicate the outcome you want in order for me to investigate under the second stage complaints process. Thank you. Kevin Taylor

Rheolwr Polisi Glastir - Glastir Policy Manager Yr Uned Strategaeth a Pholisi – Strategy and Policy Unit Yr Is-adran Amaeth – Cynaladwyedd a Datblygu – Agriculture - Sustainability and Development Division Amaeth, Milfeddygaeth, Bwyd a’r Môr / Agriculture, Veterinary, Food and Marine Any of the comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Government, any constituent part or connected body. Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. From: Rubin Irvine Sent: 27 November 2017 16:27 To: Complaints Subject: for [WG official 2]

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Hi Gemma, I would like to register a complaint with welsh government about the unprofessional behaviour of two registered woodland planners. In email exchanges between Martyn Evans and Karl Charlton of NRW and Andrew Bronwin and John Evans of Andrew Bronwin and Co it was suggested that I was a squatter, didn't pay tax, was a liar, was hostile and not a legal landowner. I understand that their client has told them stories but it is not their place to say such things. These things were said by people that don't know me and have never met me. These emails were sent between june and september this year. Thanks for your help Rubin Irvine Wrth adael Llywodraeth Cymru sganiwyd y neges yma am bob feirws. Mae’n bosibl y bydd gohebiaeth gyda Llywodraeth Cymru yn cael ei logio, ei monitro ac/neu ei chofnodi yn awtomatig am resymau cyfreithiol. Rydym yn croesawu derbyn gohebiaeth yn Gymraeg. Byddwn yn ateb gohebiaeth a dderbynnir yn Gymraeg yn Gymraeg ac ni fydd gohebu yn Gymraeg yn arwain at oedi. On leaving the Welsh Government this email was scanned for all known viruses. Communications with Welsh Government may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. We welcome re