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YELLOWKNIFE, NORTHWEST TERRITORIES

Page 2370NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARD February 18, 2009

Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly

3rd SessionDay 1316th Assembly

HANSARD

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Pages 2315 - 2370

The Honourable Paul Delorey, Speaker

Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories

Members of the Legislative Assembly

Speaker

Hon. Paul Delorey

(Hay River North)

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Mr. Glen Abernethy

(Great Slave)

Mr. Tom Beaulieu

(Tu Nedhe)

Ms. Wendy Bisaro

(Frame Lake)

Mr. Bob Bromley

(Weledeh)

Mrs. Jane Groenewegen

(Hay River South)

Mr. Robert Hawkins

(Yellowknife Centre)

Mr. Jackie Jacobson

(Nunakput)

Mr. David Krutko

(Mackenzie Delta)

Hon. Jackson Lafferty

(Monfwi)

Minister of Justice

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment

Hon. Sandy Lee

(Range Lake)

Minister of Health and Social Services

Minister responsible for the

Status of Women

Minister responsible for

Persons with Disabilities

Minister responsible for Seniors

Hon. Bob McLeod

(Yellowknife South)

Minister of Human Resources

Minister of Industry, Tourism

and Investment

Minister responsible for the

Public Utilities Board

Minister responsible for

Energy Initiatives

Hon. Michael McLeod

(Deh Cho)

Minister of Transportation

Minister of Public Works and Services

Minister responsible for the

NWT Housing Corporation

Hon. Robert C. McLeod

(Inuvik Twin Lakes)

Minister of Municipal and

Community Affairs

Minister responsible for the Workers'

Safety and Compensation

Commission

Minister responsible for Youth

Mr. Kevin Menicoche

(Nahendeh)

Hon. Michael Miltenberger

(Thebacha)

Deputy Premier

Government House Leader

Minister of Finance

Minister responsible for the Financial

Management Board Secretariat

Minister of Environment and

Natural Resources

Mr. Dave Ramsay

(Kam Lake)

Hon. Floyd Roland

(Inuvik Boot Lake)

Premier

Minister of Executive

Minister of Aboriginal Affairs

and Intergovernmental Relations

Minister responsible for the

NWT Power Corporation

Mr. Norman Yakeleya

(Sahtu)

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Officers

Clerk of the Legislative Assembly

Mr. Tim Mercer

Deputy ClerkActing Principal ClerkPrincipal Clerk,Law Clerks

of CommitteesOperations

Mr. Doug SchauerteMs. Jennifer KnowlanMs. Gail BennettMs. Sheila MacPherson

Ms. Sarah Kay

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Box 1320

Yellowknife, Northwest Territories

Tel: (867) 669-2200 Fax: (867) 920-4735 Toll-Free: 1-800-661-0784

http://www.assembly.gov.nt.ca

Published under the authority of the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories

TABLE OF CONTENTS

PRAYER2315

MINISTERS' STATEMENTS2315

24-16(3) - Making Difficult Decisions on Consensus Government (Roland)2315

25-16(3) - Board Reform Initiative (Lafferty)2316

26-16(3) - Board Reform (Lee)2317

27-16(3) - Board Reform - Housing (M. McLeod)2317

MEMBERS' STATEMENTS2328

Board Reform Initiative (Groenewegen)2328

Options Available for Board Reform (Bisaro)2319

Model for Board Reform Initiative (Bromley)2319

Effects of Board Reform Initiative on Small Communities (Beaulieu)2320

Effects of Board Reform Initiative on Aboriginal Governments (Krutko)2320

Reaction of Board Reform Initiative in the Sahtu (Yakeleya)2321

Effects of Board Reform on Nahendeh Communities (Menicoche)2322

Reaction to Board Reform Initiative in Nunakput (Jacobson)2322

Lack of Consultation on Board Reform Initiative (Abernethy)2323

Lack of Analysis on Board Reform Initiative (Ramsay)2323

Model for Board Reform Initiative (Hawkins)2324

RECOGNITION OF VISITORS IN THE GALLERY2324

ORAL QUESTIONS2325, 2337

TABLING OF DOCUMENTS2337

NOTICES OF MOTION2337

11-16(3) - Board Reform Direction (Groenewegen)2337

MOTIONS2338

11-16(3) - Board Reform Direction (Groenewegen)2338

CONSIDERATION IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE OF BILLS AND OTHER MATTERS2353

REPORT OF COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE2369

ORDERS OF THE DAY2369

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YELLOWKNIFE, NORTHWEST TERRITORIES

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Members Present

Mr. Abernethy, Mr. Beaulieu, Ms. Bisaro, Mr. Bromley, Hon. Paul Delorey, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Hawkins, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Krutko, Hon. Jackson Lafferty, Hon. Sandy Lee, Hon. Bob McLeod, Hon. Michael McLeod, Hon. Robert McLeod, Mr. Menicoche, Hon. Michael Miltenberger, Mr. Ramsay, Hon. Floyd Roland, Mr. Yakeleya

February 18, 2009NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HANSARDPage 2369

The House met at 1:36 p.m.

Prayer

---Prayer

SPEAKER (Hon. Paul Delorey): Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers statements. The honourable Premier, Mr. Roland.

Ministers StatementsMINISTERS STATEMENT ON 24-16(3):MAKING DIFFICULT DECISIONSON CONsENSUS GOVERNMENT

HON. FLOYD ROLAND: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the 16th Legislative Assembly first met to decide on our priorities for this government, we produced a plan we called Northerners Working Together. Its a title that reflects the realities of our consensus system and an ideal we all need to be trying to achieve on a day-to-day basis. More than that, the people of the NWT expect it of us. They expect us to be working together to set the direction and establish the plans that will best meet their current needs and lay the foundation for a better future. Sometimes its relatively easy to live up to that expectation, but when we are facing more difficult decisions it can be harder for us to find a way to work together effectively.

Mr. Speaker, we have some difficult decisions to make as a Legislative Assembly. There are no obvious or easy solutions to things like reforming the way we deliver programs and services or helping people with the high cost of living.

When we took office, we understood that we needed to make some changes for the long-term good of the people of the NWT. Thats what Northerners Working Together was about. We knew we needed forward-looking initiatives that will support the creation of thriving, sustainable communities and the development of healthy and educated people over the long term. We also knew

we had to take steps to ensure we could continue to afford the kinds of programs and services that we most need, now and in the future.

Fundamental change of that sort will have an impact on people and that may make us uncomfortable. We have to and will make sure that we do whatever we can to soften that impact. But as leaders, we cant shrink from the difficult decisions in this House if we are going to be able to deliver on a better future for our residents.

I will be one of the first to agree with those who would say this government could be more effective in explaining and building consensus around our actions and initiatives. We clearly need to spend more time creating dialogue around our initiatives. We have already made some changes in this regard and will be investing more effort in explaining what we are planning and in listening to the views and concerns of Members, stakeholders and the public.

At the same time, I would hope that our discussions, here and with the public, will be positive and productive. We want input on the ideas and plans we have proposed and we will listen carefully to all your views, positive and negative. We need constructive criticism and are confident that it can help improve the work we do. But criticism that seeks primarily to preserve the status quo for its own sake should be taken as just that. We need to have the courage to change the things that need to be changed, even if they have served us well in the past.

We also need to be sure we are all participating in all the same discussion. As a government, we bring forward proposals at a variety of stages. Some proposals are fully worked out, some are more preliminary and conceptual. Our purpose in coming out with preliminary proposals is to generate feedback and debate on the big picture goals and objectives we are trying to achieve. We know that how we implement our ideas is important. But at the same time, when we are seeking input on preliminary ideas, we dont want to get so consumed with debate on implementation that we lose sight of our overall goals.

Mr. Speaker, this government has put forward a number of proposals that have generated some strong public reaction and feedback. I expect well hear a lot about one of them -- board reform -- today. We respect those views and are taking them into account. At the same time, we continue to believe that our plans are faithful to the goals of this Assembly. I hope that Members, stakeholders and the public will join with us in the spirit of working together to help us d