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What part of Switzerland, are Invicta watches made?

Does anyone know what part of Switzerland Invicta makes their watches?

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If they do, they aren't telling.

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o one knows K. It would be interesting to see it though.

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According to Jim Skelton,Ivicta bought two Swiss factory's in 2003.No mention of what area

they were in.

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I would like to know as well, can't figure out why they are so secretive about it. That is to say I

think there is some level of duplicity involved, because of the unknown.

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That part of Switzerland located in Asia. LOL J/K

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Huh, Well we can rule out Geneva, even though made a womens Geneva timepiece a few yrs

ago. I would guess the following places.

1) Bern

2) La Chaux-de-Fonds

3)Lucerne

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That part of Switzerland located in Asia. LOL J/K

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That part of Switzerland located in Asia. LOL J/K

you are a naughty person. i am saying "person" because that is more PC, than boy or girl.

OOPS, never mind, went back and saw that it is "MAN", but still BAD.

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I know one is next to the cheese factory were they make baby swiss

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Wherever the companies they contract to build them are located. I would be shocked to learn

that Invicta has their own manufacturing facilities in Switzerland. I believe that if they did we

would have seen pictures and profiles ad nauseum of them. I wouldn't be all that surprised to

find out they have some warehousing space there, maybe even a few watchmakers there to do

repairs, but a regular manufacture facility, I'm betting no.

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Wherever the companies they contract to build them are located. I would be shocked to learn

that Invicta has their own manufacturing facilities in Switzerland. I believe that if they did we

would have seen pictures and profiles ad nauseum of them. I wouldn't be all that surprised to

find out they have some warehousing space there, maybe even a few watchmakers there to do

repairs, but a regular manufacture facility, I'm betting no.

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right next to bejing across from the giant panda park

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I agree..............No chance they even rent/lease/timeshare in the land of holy cheese.

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Wherever the companies they contract to build them are located. I would be shocked to learn

that Invicta has their own manufacturing facilities in Switzerland. I believe that if they did we

would have seen pictures and profiles ad nauseum of them. I wouldn't be all that surprised to

find out they have some warehousing space there, maybe even a few watchmakers there to do

repairs, but a regular manufacture facility, I'm betting no.

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Invicta partners with dozens of factories all over the world for different things. Invicta also

owns their own factories.

They use case factories in Panama, they use Swiss factories, and HK factories for their

non-Swiss watches. IIRC they have facilities in 5 different countries.

Invicta purchased two Swiss factories in 2003 and have been doing a lot of work through

them (like the Reserve Collection).

So like many brands, Invicta does work with factory partnerships, but they also own their

own factories. This is why they they are able to produce at a volume level that others could

only dream of.

They are the number 1 user of Miyota movements, one of the top users of ETA

movements, top user of Ronda movements, and in the top ten of manufacturers submitting

to the COSC.

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Didn't Jim or Eyal say that ***ALL*** Reserve watches were hand assembled ***IN***

Switzerland??? IF I remember right.

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It's my guess/opinion that When Invicta purchased the S. Coifman and Potger Pietri brands, no

hard assets were acquired and that Invicta only acquired the rights to the brand names. If the

actually had brick and mortar facilities in Switzerland we'd see pictures and videos as part of

their marketing programs.

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Glad to see you weigh in on this Jim. It never ceases to amaze me how some members on this

forum seem to think that Eyal sits around and trys to think of ways to deceive their customers. Is

Invicta perfect? No All they do is make a great timepiece at a great price. Just my .02 worth

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Glad to see you weigh in on this Jim. It never ceases to amaze me how some members on this

forum seem to think that Eyal sits around and trys to think of ways to deceive their customers.

Is Invicta perfect? No All they do is make a great timepiece at a great price. Just my .02 worth

Jim didn't weigh in, Desert Rex copied that post from another thread. And yes, Invicta does

make great watches at great prices, no matter if it's all done under contract or not.

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Actually I do like that crazy picture of eyals "people" wearing the white lab coats with Invicta

logos. That's priceless.

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I don't care where there made, just like i don't care where my Heart beat of America made in

Mexico Chevy truck and my 100% real American made beef from China is made either. OOPS,

hang on my Great state of Texas flag made in Bangladesh just fell over.

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I don't care where there made, just like i don't care where my Heart beat of America made in

Mexico Chevy truck and my 100% real American made beef from China is made either.

OOPS, hang on my Great state of Texas flag made in Bangladesh just fell over.

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Invicta partners with dozens of factories all over the world for different things. Invicta also

owns their own factories.

They use case factories in Panama, they use Swiss factories, and HK factories for their non-

Swiss watches. IIRC they have facilities in 5 different countries.

Invicta purchased two Swiss factories in 2003 and have been doing a lot of work through

them (like the Reserve Collection).

So like many brands, Invicta does work with factory partnerships, but they also own their own

factories. This is why they they are able to produce at a volume level that others could only

dream of.

They are the number 1 user of Miyota movements, one of the top users of ETA movements, top

user of Ronda movements, and in the top ten of manufacturers submitting to the COSC.

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What was the date of this post Jeff? Also when was the last time you saw a COSC Invicta?

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What was the date of this post Jeff? Also when was the last time you saw a COSC Invicta?

December of 2008.

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I love my Invictas and don't want to know whats behind the curtain. In the dark is the best place

to be when Invicta is the topic. Just read what it says at the six'o clock position and go with it.

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What was the date of this post Jeff? Also when was the last time you saw a COSC Invicta?

Haven't seen a COSC Invicta in quite a while. The post was going back some,But info should

still be the same I would think.Maybe Jim will touch base with us on this since he stated this in

the past.

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Does anyone know what part of Switzerland Invicta makes their watches?

Ouch !!

Maybe Mr. Lalo has answer for you ? Surely he has one Swiss address ?

Does PO Box count ? Maybe they share the address with DD ?

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I know there was a big deal about them acquiring factories in 2003 but really havent seen

anything since then. Maybe someone has some more current info.

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I know there was a big deal about them acquiring factories in 2003 but really havent seen

anything since then. Maybe someone has some more current info.

CJ,last year someone here posted pictures in side of the Swiss factory ( showing watch makers at

work ) not sure who it was,and watch crazy larry posted some addresses in Switzerland on the

same post if I recall it right.

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CJ,last year someone here posted pictures in side of the Swiss factory ( showing watch makers

at work ) not sure who it was,and watch crazy larry posted some addresses in Switzerland on

the same post if I recall it right.

People wearing lab coats with Invicta on them could be taken anywhere, including one of the

factories who make watches under contract for Invicta.

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Jim didn't weigh it, Desert Rex copied that post from another thread. And yes, Invicta does

make great watches at great prices, no matter if it's all done under contract or not.

I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say

about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR

CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in peace.

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If there are factories in Switzerland with the Invicta name on them Eyal would point them out

and do so often. I didn't say what Invicta does, contracting with Swiss firms to build their

watches, is wrong. I doubt anyone thinks that Lior owns the company that builds the SWI

branded watches, and don't see that as a negative. I could be wrong, have been before and will

be again, but it's fairly obvious Eyal does outsource as many others do. There's nothing wrong

with partnering with other companies as long as the quality control and customer service doesn't

suffer as a consequence, as I believe has happened, especially with the Reserve lines. I've had

too many failures involving aspects of the watches that had been checked off on those little

yellow sheets of paper Eyal touted so heavily. The failure rate of my Reserve pieces was very

near 100%, and is the reason I refuse to buy them new. I wait and buy from fellow Geeks far

braver than me, thus allowing for another level of inspection and troubleshooting. That shouldn't

be necessary, and probably wouldn't be if Invicta was totally in charge of the final assembly,

testing, and inspection process. Sorry to go into this type of detail, didn't really mean it to, but I

thought it necessary. I'm a huge Invicta fan, but I also tend to judge things from experience

rather than looking at things as I hope they would be. The fact that I remain a fan I think says a

lot, considering. The positives still outweigh the negatives enough to keep me coming back even

though my approach to them has evolved.

[edit] My Invicta Reserve COSC Diver is sitting in one of my watch boxes with a totally locked

up movement because I cannot come to terms with Invicta regarding its repair. I still have two

years or so on the warranty, so I'm not worried yet. An attorney friend of mine is doing a bit of

research for me in his spare time, and I'm waiting to hear what he has to say. He really liked the

watch I gave him for looking into this for me. It's nice to have a watch collector and best friend

in a position to help in a situation like this.

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I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say

about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR

CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in

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What? say that more clearly.

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I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say

about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR

CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in

peace.

Well my friend, I'd wager I own more Invicta watches than you do, and a reasoned discussion

about whether they own brick and mortar factories in Switzerland is fair game. As to your use of

profanity against me that the word censor caught, I'd suggest you learn to debate like an adult.

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You have to remember it is not made in Switzerland only hand finished and assembled using a

Swiss made movement, that is the 51%

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People wearing lab coats with Invicta on them could be taken anywhere, including one of the

factories who make watches under contract for Invicta.

I dont think owning a Swiss factory is that big of a feat for someone the size of Invicta.Deep

Blue and Renato have proved to the world ( IMO ) that Swiss quality can be made elsewhere for

less money.Some time ago trying to fill a government order I looked into a company over in

Switzerland to out source the remainder of an order a Texas based manufacture was having

trouble filling on timeline required.The quality was not as good as the US product ,but the cost

was 3/4 more.not hard to figure why with the short work days from the Swiss and much less

produced per hour compared to the US workers. My own opinion, I don't believe anything

magical happens over there that cant be done elsewhere.Now I could be wrong but I'm willing to

go on record with that statement.

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Does anyone know what part of Switzerland Invicta makes their watches?

It's right down the road from Newark NJ

Just kidding,I couldn't tell you

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Originally Posted by pjrosen

I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say

about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR

CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in

peace.

Flyback ( Brad ) is a well respected member of this forum.and his opinion is valued by myself

and others weather in agreement on a topic or not.your comment was uncalled for.He has never

been an Invicta basher,and never will be one.

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11-09-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by desert rex

I dont think owning a Swiss factory is that big of a feat for someone the size of Invicta.Deep

Blue and Renato have proved to the world ( IMO ) that Swiss quality can be made elsewhere

for less money.Some time ago trying to fill a government order I looked into a company over

in Switzerland to out source the remainder of an order a Texas based manufacture was having

trouble filling on timeline required.The quality was not as good as the US product ,but the cost

was 3/4 more.not hard to figure why with the short work days from the Swiss and much less

produced per hour compared to the US workers. My own opinion, I don't believe anything

magical happens over there that cant be done elsewhere.Now I could be wrong but I'm willing

to go on record with that statement.

Nothing to disagree with here, except it's my belief that Invicta is a design and marketing

company who produces under contract, not a brick and mortar manufacturer. And, it's important

to note that there is nothing about this method that takes away anything from what they produce.

Could I be wrong, of course. But I still submit if they owned Swiss factories, they'd market the

living daylights out of it, and not just by making verbal references to them.

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11-09-2010, 08:49 PM

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and...

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Originally Posted by Azel88

I know one is next to the cheese factory were they make baby swiss

And those lovely yellow cheese boxes!

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11-09-2010, 08:54 PM

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The internet abhors a vacuum. Sensing one, it will rush to fill it - with speculation.

Can't be helped - it's the nature of the internet.

Swiss factories treated as family secrets with no address where one on an Alpine vacation could

actually point and stare is a vacuum.

It's a vacuum because no obvious reason exists to keep such a thing secret - it's not like the

watches are being built in bunkers and have to be treated like a uranium processing plant for fear

the Millionsmart hoards will parachute in, cover the place with graffiti and steal all their

paraffin-free truffles.

Hence no one should be surprised to see speculation. The need for it is woven into the fabric of

the intrawebz. And, as Flyback has noted, there exists no reason to assume said speculation is

negative.

My personal stab at reconciling the conflicts is...

IWB bought a controlling interest in a couple Swiss contract houses. However, since they

intended to maintain the contract house's relationships with existing non-Invicta customers the

acquisition was in stealth mode and no visible sign of IWG involvement exists on the buildings

themselves. After all, Invicta's competitors might be circumspect about continuing to use a

contractor under control of their competitor. Thus, Invicta bought two Swiss factories but their

ownership is a closely guarded secret.

How 'bout that? No tinfoil hat (much) required. A theory which, though possibly far-fetched, is

neither offensive nor requires a conspiracy theorist.

Still, it fails to satisfy. Hopefully the more elder of the forumites could provide something more

plausible.

Or Invicta could cough up the locations. Of course their decision not to would not involve

anything negative - apart from the inevitable internet speculation but that's not really a negative

anyway.

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11-09-2010, 08:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pjrosen

I am so tired of some folks who post on this site that always have some negative thing to say

about the host of this site. Hey, I'm just say'in if you don't have anything nice OR

CONSTRUCTIVE to say respectfully '**** off' so the rest of us can enjoy our watches in

peace.

Brad state the honest facts nothing more. What facts do you have? The question was where are

the factories located? Do you have that answer or not? I dont see anything construtive in your

post.

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11-09-2010, 09:01 PM

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When you can't attack the arguement, attack the person. A basic faux pas in a reasoned debate,

strengthening the other's position drastically. I haven't seen anything negative in the positions

taken throughout thid thread. As I said earlier, the longer you're a fan the more you learn from

experience as long as you're open to doing so. Knee jerk reactions reflect either a lack of

knowledge or blind faith without substance backing it having been challenged. For the most part

that isn't found here, and I'm glad it's called out when it does rear its head.

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11-09-2010, 09:03 PM

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Well here is my opinion , If you want to discuss this do it in a

respectful manner towards each other , no reason to curse at

anyone state your position in a civil tone and all will be fine.

Thank You .!!!!

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11-09-2010, 09:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyback

Nothing to disagree with here, except it's my belief that Invicta is a design and marketing

company who produces under contract, not a brick and mortar manufacturer. And, it's

important to note that there is nothing about this method that takes away anything from what

they produce. Could I be wrong, of course. But I still submit if they owned Swiss factories,

they'd market the living daylights out of it, and not just by making verbal references to them.

Well as usual you make a very plausible argument that would be hard to punch holes

in.Although we appear to be on opposite sides on this issue,always a pleasure to debate you. We

may never truly know the answer to this one,Without Eyal under sodium pentathol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawk404

The internet abhors a vacuum. Sensing one, it will rush to fill it - with speculation.

Can't be helped - it's the nature of the internet.

Swiss factories treated as family secrets with no address where one on an Alpine vacation

could actually point and stare is a vacuum.

It's a vacuum because no obvious reason exists to keep such a thing secret - it's not like the

watches are being built in bunkers and have to be treated like a uranium processing plant for

fear the Millionsmart hoards will parachute in, cover the place with graffiti and steal all their

paraffin-free truffles.

Hence no one should be surprised to see speculation. The need for it is woven into the fabric

of the intrawebz. And, as Flyback has noted, there exists no reason to assume said speculation

is negative.

My personal stab at reconciling the conflicts is...

IWB bought a controlling interest in a couple Swiss contract houses. However, since they

intended to maintain the contract house's relationships with existing non-Invicta customers the

acquisition was in stealth mode and no visible sign of IWG involvement exists on the buildings

themselves. After all, Invicta's competitors might be circumspect about continuing to use a

contractor under control of their competitor. Thus, Invicta bought two Swiss factories but their

ownership is a closely guarded secret.

How 'bout that? No tinfoil hat (much) required. A theory which, though possibly far-fetched, is

neither offensive nor requires a conspiracy theorist.

Still, it fails to satisfy. Hopefully the more elder of the forumites could provide something more

plausible.

Or Invicta could cough up the locations. Of course their decision not to would not involve

anything negative - apart from the inevitable internet speculation but that's not really a

negative anyway.

Very creative theory,and well written

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