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I've been told top men are working on it right now.
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I've been told top men are working on it right now.
To funny...
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News as of today 6-16-10
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These top men must be Black Ops....if we find out who they are we have to be terminated,
huh?
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Hmmm.. Maybe thats why I feel like collatteral damage?
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Do you think that Perhaps,
the "Top Men" are actually Attorneys?
And, Do you think that Perhaps,
they are working on a financial settlement, for any possible damages to D.D.'s reputation?
And, Do you think that Perhaps,
after that, they will work on a joint statement to tell the public what they want us to know?
and, Do you think that Perhaps,
we will never know the full story?
or, Do you think that perhaps,
there is no basis to this hypothesis?
Just wondering what the delays on the release of the joint statement may be ?
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And the wait goes on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on......zzzzz
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The verdict was supposed to be un Monday. Could Eyal still be on hold?
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At this point in time silence gives all the answers to the questions and any noise later will be
just that about this matter.
Now the real question and worry is whether it shall be a #7 shrimp egg-foo young or a #11
chicken and broccoli combo platter tonight ... that is at this moment a far more important
topic to me and its still before 9am and I really should be more worried about lunch than
dinner.
I am glad though that I wont have to answer the question of which soup to get with
whichever combo platter I get tonight since I like the wonton soup far better than the eggy
drop soup.
So whenever the response comes its just going to be how really nobody made any actual
intentional mistakes and that everything will be fixed and the world will not spin off its axis
into the vast expanses of space to be met by the Darliks or to have the human race
assimilated by the Borg either but instead all will be fine and dandy in WatchGeekDomLand
... but ... yeah there is always a but ... will it be a #7 or #11 tonight?
This entire pony is getting the manure whipped out of it ... wait a second ... maybe a #19
might be good as well.
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I also hope info is given shortly, as it does seem strange that if nobody did anything wrong
intentionally or unintentionally then this would have been addressed already?
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I don't see why it would take so long. I'm sure these men are very busy with other matters
as well but if this truly was nothing more than a misunderstanding or a lack of
communication and everything is on the up and up then it could have been sorted out by
now. How long can it take to figure out if Invicta purchased the movements straight from DD
or not, they either did or they didn't.
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Do you think that Perhaps,
the "Top Men" are actually Attorneys?
And, Do you think that Perhaps,
they are working on a financial settlement, for any possible damages to D.D.'s reputation?
And, Do you think that Perhaps,
after that, they will work on a joint statement to tell the public what they want us to know?
and, Do you think that Perhaps,
we will never know the full story?
or, Do you think that perhaps,
there is no basis to this hypothesis?
Just wondering what the delays on the release of the joint statement may be ?
Think the basis for your hypothesis follows a logical line of reasoning.
But then again, what do I know?
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I think conspiracy theories arent going to get anybody anywhere. When they have something
to say they will make a statement. I still wish I would've been able to get one of those
amazing timepieces. When the dust all clears, and it will, those who were patient are going
to be very happy they weathered the storm ... just my 2 cents and yes ill shut up wave (lol)
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I can see why the statement would take some time. There are a lot of "if" questions:
If there is to be a total recall. They are probably going over all aspects of the watch to make
sure they get it right. They have to be ready at Invicta to take the calls and process the
orders in which they pay for all shipping. Any of these out of the ordinary issues would have
to be worked out ahead of time.
If they are going to allow after 30 day returns to SNBC, they would have to work out those
details.
If attorneys are involved, then you just increased the time that we will see a statement.
If any statement that was said on the air during the sale of the watch was incorrect, they
would have to explain it.
If, if, if, if, etc.
We have to have patience on this one, that's for sure.
Lucky for me, my Speedway DD works perfectly and I am wearing it right now.
That's my 2 cents.
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I think conspiracy theories arent going to get anybody anywhere. When they have
something to say they will make a statement. I still wish I would've been able to get one of
those amazing timepieces. When the dust all clears, and it will, those who were patient are
going to be very happy they weathered the storm ... just my 2 cents and yes ill shut up
wave (lol)
I think that if you decide that you still want one after whatever conclusion is come to, you
will definitely be able to get one, and probably for a lot less. I'm sure that if they do put
them back out there, they will end up on the DOD type sites (think Reserve Lupah).
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sneek peek at joint message: i know you believe you understand what you thought you
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Yeah !!! What he said! Damn that Bush sucker!!! Let's see....Order Date: 5/15/2010 .....
Today's Date 6/17/2010 ..... Full Disclosure: 12th of Neva' ....hehehehe .....Hey would
somebody contact my next of kin if I pass on before this gets finished?
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hey Iam waiting too.
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Growing up in Washington, DC with all the conspiracies with Congressmen and Senator's this
usually means lawyers and a deal being made. If it was all on the up and up it would only
take a few hours to be resolved. The longer it takes the more it doesn't look good.
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sneek peek at joint message: i know you believe you understand what you thought you
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Far out Man!
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Wow....I know I replied to this thread with something I thought was funny...guess someone
didn't find it too funny...my post has dissappeared.
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I think this Is as good as It's going to get, enjoy.
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It appears by the length of time it's taking for a negotiated solution to this matter, shows
that determining who's at fault and who will pay to repair the defective watches, could be the
reason why it's taking so long to hear from Eyal.
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And what sounds like a simple matter could be as un-simple as DD and Eyal attempting to
decide just who is responsible for what portion of the problem, exactly how any recall is
going to be done and who is going to pay for what.
Or maybe not. But if it is, I'd love to listen in on the conversation. Would beat anything on
TV.
Anyone remember "That depends upon what your definition of 'is' is."?
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And the wait goes on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on&on......zzzzz
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The Constitution was written in how many days???.... I'm just saying...
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The Constitution was written in how many days???.... I'm just saying...
Since you ask. It took from May 25 to September 17, 1787.
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Didn't anybody figure this out yet? Eyal pays DD in full for every module.
Then he can say he bought them (just not when) DD will say the didn't install them
but are working hand in hand with Invicta to fix the problem. Eyal also pays DD to fix all the
current Speedways and everybody goes home happy and none of us know the difference
Money talks and BS walks!
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Didn't anybody figure this out yet? Eyal pays DD in full for every module.
Then he can say he bought them (just not when) DD will say the didn't install them
but are working hand in hand with Invicta to fix the problem. Eyal also pays DD to fix all
the current Speedways and everybody goes home happy and none of us know the
difference Money talks and BS walks!
1. It's very likely the movements were purchased from a third party. So why would Invicta
pay for them again?
2. It's already been established the problem it not with the movements, so why would DD
have any part in the repairs?
3. 1,000 movements are chump change to a company like DD, so what money is doing what
talking?
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1. It's very likely the movements were purchased from a third party. So why would Invicta
pay for them again?
2. It's already been established the problem it not with the movements, so why would DD
have any part in the repairs?
3. 1,000 movements are chump change to a company like DD, so what money is doing
what talking?
1) Because Eyal want to save face and say he bought them from DD
2)To ensure peace of mind to all the speedway customers.
3) 1000 or more movement may not cost much if you a dealer, but
to buy your way out of trouble it may be a lot!
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1) Because Eyal want to save face and say he bought them from DD
2)To ensure peace of mind to all the speedway customers.
3) 1000 or more movement may not cost much if you a dealer, but
to buy your way out of trouble it may be a lot!
1. I can't imagine DD would recreate history for Invicta or anyone for that matter, if indeed
they've even been asked to.
2. DD makes movements, they don't case watches or affix dials and hands, so once again,
what involvement could they possibly have in the repairs of misaligned hands and the height
of the dial over the DD module?
3. Chump change is chump change, it buys nobody and certainly not anyone's deceit.
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1. I can't imagine DD would recreate history for Invicta or anyone for that matter, if indeed
they've even been asked to.
2. DD makes movements, they don't case watches or affix dials and hands, so once again,
what involvement could they possibly have in the repairs of misaligned hands and the
height of the dial over the DD module?
3. Chump change is chump change, it buys nobody and certainly not anyone's deceit.
Ahhhhhh! You have a lot to learn about money my young Jedi Apprentice.
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Ahhhhhh! You have a lot to learn about money my young Jedi Apprentice.
DOB: 12/23/1950 - 30 years in corporate management, 15 years in executive management.
Just who's the apprentice here?
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1. It's very likely the movements were purchased from a third party. So why would Invicta
pay for them again?
2. It's already been established the problem it not with the movements, so why would DD
have any part in the repairs?
Brad,
Your reasoning would indicate Invicta is totally responsible and really has nothing to
negotiate with D-D. Could be Invicta is the only party working on how to make this matter
right.
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Brad,
Your reasoning would indicate Invicta is totally responsible and really has nothing to
negotiate with D-D. Could be Invicta is the only party working on how to make this matter
right.
Possibly. I was really just countering Russell3's speculative points with ones that I thought
were more credible. Only time will tell.
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DOB: 12/23/1950 - 30 years in corporate management, 15 years in executive
management. Just who's the apprentice here?
Relax Brad
Nobody here is calling into question you age or experience
I'm just stating my thoughts on the matter at hand.
If I've ruffled you feathers I'm sorry.
Oh and FYI I've spent the last 13yrs in Luxury Timepieces.
So who would you like to meet first. Maybe Ruddy Chevez
President Of Baume & Mercier and my good friend or someone else
higher in Richemont How about the boys at Cartier?
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Relax Brad
Nobody here is calling into question you age or experience
I'm just stating my thoughts on the matter at hand.
If I've ruffled you feathers I'm sorry.
Oh and FYI I've spent the last 13yrs in Luxury Timepieces.
So who would you like to meet first. Maybe Ruddy Chevez
President Of Baume & Mercier and my good friend or someone else
higher in Richemont How about the boys at Cartier?
That being the case, I'd guess you'd know better than most that DD as a movement maker
would have no part in performing the requisite repairs.
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Ok let say they (DD) won't repair but oversee the repairs for a price.
Maybe your a little to old school ( I mean that with NO disrespect)
but sometimes it just about smoke and mirrors
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Ok let say they (DD) won't repair but oversee the repairs for a price.
Oversee a process in which they have no expertise? That's an interesting take.
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Let's wait for the statement and see what they have to say. Is there some harm caused by a reasonable exchange of ideas?
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So if DD make the module, why wouldn't they know how the movement works?
Why wouldn't they understand how they go together? You need one for the other.
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So if DD make the module, why wouldn't they know how the movement works?
Why wouldn't they understand how they go together? You need one for the other.
The problem "is not with the movement", it is with the way the movement was cased and the
hands were affixed, neither of which is an area for DDs involvement.
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Is there some harm caused by a reasonable exchange of ideas?
No Brad there is no harm in reasonable exchange of idea's but
it seems this is getting heated.
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No Brad there is no harm in reasonable exchange of idea's but
it seems this is getting heated.
A disagreement of viewpoint that is debated within reason, which this discussion has been, is
not heated.
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Do you think that Perhaps,
the "Top Men" are actually Attorneys?
And, Do you think that Perhaps,
they are working on a financial settlement, for any possible damages to D.D.'s reputation?
And, Do you think that Perhaps,
after that, they will work on a joint statement to tell the public what they want us to know?
and, Do you think that Perhaps,
we will never know the full story?
or, Do you think that perhaps,
there is no basis to this hypothesis?
Just wondering what the delays on the release of the joint statement may be ?
I think all the above might be true, this is definitely a mess.
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OK who comes clean first Invicta or BP, anyone know the Vegas odds on this?
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IMHO seeing that no one except us WG's and the ones that seem to know more then any of
us WG's Jim to Mike have been silent so far unlike other days...IMO I do think they were ask
not to response to anymore ? on this DD issue. Only ones that do chime in are the MOD's.
We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves....Jumping to conclusions
can be bad exercise...
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IMHO seeing that no one except us WG's and the ones that seem to know more then any
of us WG's Jim to Mike have been silent so far unlike other days...IMO I do think they were
ask not to response to anymore ? on this DD issue. Only ones that do chime in are the
MOD's.
We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves....Jumping to
conclusions can be bad exercise...
Oh well. I'm bored with this discussion. On to something else.
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The problem "is not with the movement", it is with the way the movement was cased and
the hands were affixed, neither of which is an area for DDs involvement.
We all know that the module was not the issue, but by saying DD will over see repairs
gives the mishap a feel good quality. Smoke & Mirrors
But I digress Brad. Its 12:00 am on the east coast and I need to
see a pillow.
Thank you for the debate Sir
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I'm glad to see this part of the discussion, has now ended on a friendly note... Healthy
discussions are good as long as they stay like this one... Friendly!
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Whatever the final outcome is with regards to who does what to repair the defective
watches, all customers who ordered this watch must be notified. WG and non members who
ordered this watch at ShopNBC must be notified of the potential problems by mail and on
ShopNBC, as to what steps need to be taken to make the watch right, and it shouldn't cost
them one cent.
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Silence ... silence is supposedly golden but I remember back in the day when momma
caught me with my hand in the cookie jar that if I said nothing and acted as if I had done
nothing wrong at all and also stopped chewing on the cookie that was already in my mouth
that as long as I tried to keep up that appearance I avoided all trouble of fessin up to
momma that I was caught doing wrong again until I could come up with a really good story
as to why I did what I did. Currently silence is the best answer I think we are going to
receive.
I must ask a question though ...
Were there mistakes made? Was there shady dealings? Were there deceptions? At this point
in time just what will any statements give us? Why cant we just let this all rest and let the
silence speak for itself?
Personally I'm letting the silence answer all the questions I had and those answers will also
reflect on most if not all my future purchases ... possibly we all might want to do the same
and let this poor little pony heal.
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From having traced the trajectory of this issue from the beginning, it seems that some things
were said by Mr. Eyal Lalo during the sale of the time piece on ShopNBC, where he appeared
(I actually watched that one), that are now in question. Specifically, it seems that although
he said that DD and Invicta worked very closely in developing this watch, this is probably not
the case. Also, on this site, it was stated that the problem was DD's problem because of
some "module". Now, it also seems that this was never the case.
What we do know is that the movement is a genuine DD movement. We also know that the
manufacturing process left a lot to be desired because of the resulting fail rate of the time
piece. Again, this points to Invicta.
To me, it puts into question Mr. Lalo's credibility, or the credibility of whomever is
responsible for the information he gave during his presentation. But, being that he is the
CEO of Invicta, and this was a project he supposedly was so personally interested and
involved with, it stands to reason that he would have known the discrepancies. At least that
is my take on it. In the end, we will probably never know the truth of what actually
happened. For those that got a damaged Speedway Elite, this is a bad situation because of
the expense paid by them ($1000 USD).
But, I also wonder about the other purchasers that ARE NOT part of this forum and don't
follow this kind of thing on the net. Is Invicta going to send them a notice so that they can
be aware that a part may be missing from their watch that can cause this issue?
Either way, personally, I don't see a statement ever coming. I tell you what, however, it sure
was a beautifully designed watch (especially that two-tone). I almost purchased one.
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Yes it is, the two tone and stainless is a very very nice watch and for the 47 size is just right.
after this situation is fixed( I hope) invicta brings back the GRAND SPEEDWAY because that's
what you do best. IMHO
