Tyler Durden - What is Genuine What is Mutual Benefit

8/20/2019 Tyler Durden - What is Genuine What is Mutual Benefit

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What Is Genuine

What Is MutualBenefit by Tyler Durden

OK Breakbeat, did it up nice for you. Even took a few more minutes than I’d planned ( hour and! instead of "ust an hour# since I was en"oyin$ writin$ it. %o nuts, and don’t comment until

you’ve read it entirely and thou$ht it over. It’s always easier to &'II&I)E a statement than it is tomake one of your own, so your task shouldn*t be difficult. 'eply intelli$ently.

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he latest discussions about $enuine behaviour have "ust $otten me thinkin$ about somethin$that hasn*t really been cashed out on this board lately.

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ry to bear with me, chunks practical and tactical materials /'E buried within..

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In my e8perience, if I ask a $irl what sort of way she feels a $uy should $o about pickin$ her up,she*ll often reply with somethin$ to the effect of9

http://pualib.com/


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:-ell.. e should come and say *i*. hen he should "ust be himself.. e should be confident..Introduce himself.. 7aybe have a sense of humour.. alk to me a bit so that we can $et to knoweachother.. /nd ask me if I*ll $o somewhere nice with him.. Oh yeah, also I like it if he*ll "ust $iveme his number, "ust in case, you know..:

his way, she can screen him on looks, and proceed to make a rational decision on her terms.

It would be uncommon to hear a $irl say, :I want a $uy who will dupe me into a conversation witha chick+bait opener, tease me until I almost lose my mind, weave back and forth with stories thatmake me $o cra;y, spin me around and trick me into kissin$ him with my eyes closed, tell me cutethin$s about himself so I*ll $o $a+$a for him, and make fake pre+suppositions to be alone with himso he can caveman me.:

1or would she likely say :I want a $uy to hypnoti;e me with neuro+lin$uistic+pro$rammin$.:

1or would she likely say :I want a $uy who will i$nore me and blast me off my pedastal by onlytalkin$ to my friends, so that I*ll re+validate myself by sleepin$ with him.:

Of course, these last three work consistently on women of e8ceptional beauty, and the first onedoesn*t (a$ain, &O10I0E16 0ecrets for 0uccess with Beautiful -omen: by a woman named 2rsula 6idstrom.

0he advocated the sort of approach that most women would want, and claimed her e8pertise ase8ceptional because she is a woman offerin$ :inside info:.

er system was to be yourself, confident, and $enuine. /lso, to demonstrate alpha status throu$h$ood bodylan$ua$e and bein$ well dressed. /fter hundreds of approaches, I $ot this down pat.

I did at least ! approaches a day (thou$h usually more#, "ust bein$ myself, confident, and $ettin$to know $irls in a way that was very cool and $enuine + all as 2rsula 6idstrom su$$ested. 'ead the

book probably >+! times. (sidenote9 E?&E66E1 info on bodylan$ua$e and %-7+style phaseshiftin$ can be found in this book, if you screen the rest#.

2nfortunately, for those ei$ht months I did not have se8 even O1&E. I am not $ood lookin$, andcould have had se8 with B@s, but that didAdoes not interest me. I was entirely celibate thoseei$ht months. I made many non+se8ual friendships with $irls, who still to this day social+proof meon campus.

But whenever I*d try to escalate, they*d react with :


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and an e8ceptionally drop dead $or$eous woman bein$ attracted to a mediocre lookin$ $uy.

he O16< way that you can convey I%E' value, by usin$ this method, is if you have a '/'Econnection with the $irl. his does happen, thou$h it cannot be called a consistent pickupmethod, since it relies on e8ternal factors (ie9 that you actually have a similar world view, orsomethin$ similar, etc etc#.

his is 4/0+0eduction, which discusses how to be a 56/


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Dery weird, and disturbin$. I did 1O like readin$ this, nor do I necessarily like it now.

Basically, I interpreted that $irls like '/7/ of /1< kind. hey want I1E10E emotionaldrama. /s /lphahot mentioned in a post a few threads below this one, they $ravitate towardssources of e8treme emotions. 0coundrels who use them and thus $ive them drama. /nd they$ravitate towards it.

Of course, I was skeptical, and even after readin$ 1ancy 4riday I still maintained the view thatthese fantasies were anomolies, and that most women did not want this sort of thin$.

Eddy also read this book, and shared my opinion. Be both $enerally hated it, and I recall Eddythrowin$ the book across the room several times.

Other 52/s who visit us comment on how scuffed up the book is, as Eddy has thrown it literallyon almost every occassion he*s read it, screamin$ :that could be my own mom that could be myown mooooommmmmm /'%:

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/round L>M of women would start tellin$ me about how they love to suck dick and take it on theface. ow they dream about $ettin$ $an$+raped and fucked by stran$e men and hot $uys fromclubs.

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they wanted to validate was that they could be as sophisticated as me. IO-, that they*re smart,and that they*re ladies.

0o $o ahead and bust on me for bein$ incon$ruent and not real to myself or somethin$ like that.But at the end of the day my $irlfriend is an B>... aside also from the B= and B=.! that I amalso seein$, all of who are really cool $irls and who I am $enuine with now, /4E' havin$ $otten

with them + 1O BE4O'E.

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1ow, when I walk into a room on campus, women start $i$$lin$ and checkin$ me out. hey touchme, shit test me immediately to see if I really /7 what I pro"ect, and show massive physical IOIs(face me, lean in, perk up their breasts, lick their lips, bi$ eyes, etc etc etc#.

I do 1OI1% other than "ust walk into the room, and convey the attitude that*s discussed in thispost.

:I will fuck you the second you let your $uard down, because I am a badboy and that*s "ust me: isthe ima$e that I convey, and women respond instantly.

Of course, 7O0 women will be initially /'/&E, but still won*t sleep with me from thatfeelin$ alone. hey can’t Fuite "ustify their desire, because of social+conditionin$.

0o the 0O62IO19 0how that they have a &/1&E to tame you, and that you have a sensitiveinside somewhere deep down.. + %E '/55O'.

his leads me to the all important .........

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-I66426 &O%1IIDE I00O1/1&E9

%oin$ back to the OE&2E' :marry+me: routine, what have I learned3

oecutter e8plained that women -I664266< I%1O'E the truth, in order to preserve the feelin$sthat they are derivin$ from the massive drama that you provide.

his is also from 7/1I/&NI%, so if you disa$ree then maybe check out the new maniac planfor more detailed e8plication.

/nyway, oecutter states that the $irls who were :duped: by the marria$e trick were in fact -E66+/-/'E that it was clearly bullshit, but that they -/1E to $o alon$ with it, so that theycould e8perience the /DE12'E.

he same $oes for 7ystery*s $irlfriend of ! years, who 0I66 BE6IEDE0 that he $enuinely has7/%I& 5O-E', includin$ an ability to levitate himself from the $round, move ob"ects with his

mind, and read thou$hts telepathically.

Of course, havin$ been with him for ! years, there is /B0O62E6< 1O -/< that she wouldn*thave fi$ured out how he does his illusions. espite his sharp skills, many illusions I fi$ured outafter han$in$ with him for "ust a month. e may have done it over >> times before I fi$ured itout, but EDE12/66< I I fi$ure it out.

his $irl is with him 4IDE


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0he -I664266< E&EIDE0 E'0E64 to believe what she wants, because she likes the '/7/and /DE12'E.

0ame $oes with 7ystery*s other lon$ term $irlfriends, who K1O-, read CK1O-C, that he isconstantly with other women.

-hy does 7ystery have condoms all over his room3 hmmmmmm... &ould he really $o months without se8 while he travels333 hmmmmm.... -hat does it mean when $irls call him non+stop while they*re in bed to$ether333 hmmmmm... e walks into the club and $irls 0-/'7 him...hmmmmmm.. e picked her up and fucked her first ni$ht they met... hmmmm....

But still they &OO0E to I%1O'E it, because he provides the drama that they want.

/nd as a BO120, they $et to $o home and spend time convincin$ their parents and friends how$reat 7ystery is, which $ives them even 7O'E drama.

6ikewise, in my small community, I $o pickup $irls. hey $o back to their roomates, whoinevitably on some occassions will have been picked up by me a month earlier. But does that'E5E6 them from me, like our 6O%I&/6 /4&+I1O&'I1/E brains would have so lon$

e8pected3 1O5E. It "ust $ives them 7O'E '/7/ and sucks them in even deeper.

his was even the case when they’ve heard that I used the 0/7E O5E1E'0 and 'O2I1E0.0tran$e, huh3


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Because, like 7ystery, I a$ree that only /4E' you hookup do you start communicatin$%E12I1E6


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notation. his stuff 4/0&I1/E0 me.

I don*t 6IKE talkin$ about social dynamics and feelin$s. It BO'E0 me. C7ostC thin$s that CmostC$irls like to talk about are of 1O I1E'E0 to me.

I O 1O E1JO< runnin$ J2%%6E'*s rapport routines like :I really like pi;;a: and :this is whatmy own palm says about me: and Gwhat would your life be rated if it was a movie3H, and makin$those kind of self+revealin$ statements. 1or would I like them any better had I invented them.

Or rather, I 6IKE runnin$ them, for the purpose of 5I&KI1% 25. But I don’t run them for the0O6E 0/KE of runnin$ them.

I will 20E this stuff, but I don*t 6IKE it anymore than /1< OE' stuff that I use. 1O1E of it isthe G'E/6 7EH in the '/IIO1/6 0E10E, so both 77 and Ju$$ler method are E2/6 inmy mind.

I /7 1O statin$ that they don*t work, or that Ju$$ler*s method isn*t %'E/. Ju$$ler+method -O'K0 + its %'E/.

But I C/7C statin$ that it is 1O 7O'E %E12I1E for me to 5'EE1 that I am en"oyin$ talkin$

about real $enuine feelin$s in a Ju$$ler+style that I really don*t care to talk about, than it is for meto run the routines that I do most of the time now.

Either way, I*m 4/KI1% 0O7EI1%. /s are 7O0 sensitive new a$ed $uys who will talk aboutthis sappy crap, in the subconscious hope that it will $ain attention from women.

5ickin$ up by talkin$ about real stuff that I feel, but O 1O want to be talkin$ about, is of no$reater value to me than tellin$ stories that I read from the internet. I’m still bein$ un$enuine, ina 0E10E, because my motivations e8tend BE


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so. But what they don*t reali;e from behind their remote computer screens is that so lon$ as you /&IO10 /'E &O1%'2E1 O


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/ctin$ the 0/7E in /66 situations is I1&O10IE'/E to the people around you. If you horsearound at a "ob interview, you show lack of respect for the interviewer’s e8perience. If you actoverly sophisticated with your friends, you show lack of respect for the bond that you have withthem, and the clownin$+around that $oes alon$ with it.

/nd as with the boss at the "ob interview, you hope to eventually $et to know your $irl on a moreG$enuineH level, when the time is /55'O5'I/E.

-hen I1II/66< 5I&KI1% 25 / %I'6, showin$ the side of yourself that E6I&I0 0E?2/6'E/&IO1 is 7O0 /55'O5'I/E, because you are not puttin$ the $irl in a position where shehas to snub you based on se8ual indifference to your approach.


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0o there you have it. 7any chicks di$ "erk+asshole types. -ho ever said that the community nevermakes new discoveries anyway3 hmmmmm....

/nd what is $enuine3 -hat is truth3 hose Fuestions are to be pondered over a lifetime, and theyare part of what makes the human e8perience dynamic.

But if I can draw one solid conclusion, its that claimin$ absolute knowled$e of such Fuestions isself+indul$ent. /nd in the opinion of this lowly+52/, its not $enuine.

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-hat can I say3 /nother superb post from yler. is posts are "am+packed with %O6 info andreasonin$.

6et*s not have anyone say :-ell this isn*t somethin$ I do,: or :It isn*t me:.

If you want the result you have to pay the price.

I remember readin$ ony 'obbins years a$o and he talked about the success formula. e said youhave to decide where you want to $o, then what you would have to do to $et there, then you 5/</ 5'I&E.

/s yler said, if you always do what you have always done, you*ll always $et what you always $ot.If you aren*t happy with your results you have to chan$e what you*re doin$ and try newtechniFues, try a new ima$e, and KEE5 '


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KEE5 '


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make your own life better. e couldn*t have said it better. 5rops.his is whty I love 165 and how it can $ive you structure to youre8perience whilst also supportin$ you to e8pand your hori;ons(your mental map# to learn new thin$s and open up to the world asa whole. -e can never know everythin$, but to desire to find outis a safe bet for a happy future.

It is all a matter of personal power, which we all create everytime we $o out. In fact we create this by sittin$ and typin$, noteven needin$ to $o out the door, trainin$ ourselve for *the ne8tsar$e*. his is all hippy dippy shit, but hey it*s my world andmy metaphor rules my world Our upbrin$in$s are all less tha ideal,$ood, bad or mediocre it matters not. 2ntill we have chanced ourluck, pushed our boundaries, then it is e8pedient, a prototype ofsorts. he field is where everythin$ starts and ends. est+Operate+est+E8it. 6ife is a participantion event, so is 52. %reat line,unfortunately not mine.

6ife really starts to $et interestin$ when you stop tryin$ to fitevents (etc# into your own value system and 0/' makin$ "ud$ements

based on e8periential data after the event. he menu is 1O themeal and all that. 4ield data is all important, hallucination are

best left for those happy with their limited, indul$ent world.

o me this is all about for$in$ your own self in a fashion thatis con$ruent with your $oals, inte$ratin$ it with your life sothat you can achieve all that you desire. Important stuff and by

virtue a personal matter. i$hly educational. /lmost 1ew+/$e...

It reminds me of one of my favourite autors, 'obert /nton -ilson, who said that (and is perchance a title of one of his boks#,*reality is what you can $et away with*. 'ead it and weep. -hile

you do, I will be livin$ the life that makes me most happy that Ican conceive of at this present moment. I will also have /leister&rowley*s ma8im (paraphrased, mind you# that our method isscience, and our aim is reli$ion (in the broadest sense#. -e canconnect with what it is to be human and still have our hard,masculine, cynical views. It is about bein$ complete and notsettlin$ for second best, surely. 0cience helps us do this asdoes /04 and the player $uide, etc.

I repeat, we all neeed metaphor to $uide our life, our lives,inner and outer.


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ear ,as Dince likes to say, :into my file it $oes:.

'eadin$ your post is becomin$ like findin$ direction indications in a land where you are lost9:bearin$ V!W 1E you*ll find water > km from here, bearin$ =>W 0 you*ll find water and food RVkm from here, bearin$.....:

%reat work bro. 'eally appreciated. I hope in the near future you don*t need that kind of:Breakbeat stimulus: in order to elaborate your thou$hts here, or i*d feel compelled to bust on youmore often than not. 9+#

5ersonally, this post fits perfectly with the :metamorphosis: i*m $ettin$ convinced i need. It*stakin$ some time, yeah, but it*s comin$. /nd what you e8plain helps me in noticin$ i*m in theri$ht way, as you are perfectly describin$ the landscape i*m "ust be$innin$ to see from the top ofthe hill where i*m arrivin$ now. h8.

One last thin$.


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heh, this is as near to the real tyler d as i*ve ever seen ya. isn*tthat $reat3 that*s all i ever asked from you, lol

very convincin$ that you*re not doin$ a bad "ob for what you want toaccomplish and at what price.

the price for this particular school of 52 that you, mystery andothers practice is $enuinity with women in the sense that you areconstantly thinkin$ about the woman*s processes and woman*s mind and

which ima$e you want to convey to the woman*s mind rather than brin$in$ yourself to a point where you "ust shoot the shit and the behaviour that tri$$ers women*s fantasies becomes automatic. in other words, actin$ in the way that turns women on (with all the peacockin$and everythin$# is essentially the same, only you would do it EDE1 I4


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and i*m $ettin$ the impression that in your world deception is Fuitenormal and considered a si$n of success. so when successful peopleassociate with you you*d all e8pect each other to deceive a bit "ustto show you*re on the same level. so to them, you are "ust as realabout your fakin$ as you are to us. you*d even have to show that youare able to fake, or you wouldn*t $et accepted with these people assuccessful. i*ve only been on the ed$e of social $roups where i $ot asense that fakin$ was the norm, can you relate with any of what isaid3

the way i see it that*s e8actly what*s happenin$ in clubs. the dumb$irls in clubs believe it*s all real of course. the smart $irls in theclub are there because they like it, they want to see a $uy who canfake well because they think that is what success is about. and yes,

you can be successful with fakin$. of course you can. you*vedemonstrated that, and you*ve credibly shown that to us because you

were real O 20 (IO-, used no fake behaviour, behaviour desi$ned toelicit a response within us#.

let me e8plain why i have no intent of fakin$ and i take the trail of

becomin$. ri$ht now, i feel like i*m mentally attractin$ u$s into my life. that is when i do not think about my behaviour in the least, noteven my body lan$ua$e or anythin$, they like me. that to me is amental clue that with my present habits i will attract u$s.

now let*s take my musician friend. he is E?'E7E6< proficient in whathe does, and that is music. listenin$ to him perform is a truly e8traordinary e8perience and i*m proud of bein$ friends with him. and$irls notice it too. when he puts off the music vibes, they flock.

can you do this when you*re not an artist3 i say you can. the key isto $et firm $oals, and to make your smallest action, all the way up tothe way you breathe or move your little fin$er when you $et up,absolutely efficient in terms of those $oals. then, you will BE supere8ceptional, and you will have the option of $ettin$ a $irl of similarlooks who is eFually e8ceptional, or of better looks who is lesse8ceptional. i never had a lot of respect for the hotties who han$

with old u$ly bankers in terms of conversation and life*s views. asfor the bankers... well, who*s to blame *em3

am i doin$ any of this3 well, i*m practicin$. not all that $ood at it yet and i have a messed up life i $otta strai$hten out cu; my parentshad messed up lives and unconsciously tou$ht me e8actly how to mess my own life up. i $otta un+learn all that now. i know that when i do haveit strai$hter i*m $onna $et $irls who are nearer to the type i amattracted to.

let me sum this up.

C if you "ust act on whatever*s on your mind, you will behaveaccordin$ to a mi8ture of your habitual thou$ht (and occasional:hunches: and :inspiriations:#. you think somethin$, then you act on

what you think.

C if you don*t like what your present habitual thou$ht is $ettin$ you, you have two options.


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. strai$hten out your habitual thou$ht

R. strai$hten out your actions.

if you take R. then you have to start lookin$ for a different sourceto base your actions on other than your own thou$ht. that*s when youstart basin$ your actions on other people*s actions, and "ud$e whichones to mimick by lookin$ at the results these other people*s actions$ot them. it*s a lot of work.

if you take ., then strai$htenin$ your thou$hts out is a lot of work. but when you $ot *em, your habitual action will $et you $irls, and themore you strai$hten your thou$hts out, the nearer your $irls will beto the type you e8pect.

as for myself i know which path i have chosen. anybody care to comment which is more fruitful on the lon$ run3

, i*m not pissy any more. i don*t need to be, your baby*s born 9# ormaybe it*s not like that, i "ust think the situation and it*s results

is kind of funny.

so you wanna email me and strai$hten the personal thin$ out, let*s do,or better yet let*s catch up on I7 sometime.

oh yeah, maybe one last thou$ht on your emotions while takin$ @!minutes of your time to write this post...

it*s fun to be real, isn*t it X#

f.m. breakbeat

++++++++appreciate to attract

-hat is :real: or :$enuine3: If you read the Buddhists, the 4ourth -ay followers, or others ofrelated spiritual paths, you $et the metaphysical notions of mindfulness, awakenin$, self+rememberin$, etc. he facades that we wear are "ust memes or karmic traces or socialconditionin$ we*ve inherited or layered on ourselves. rue freedom comes when we unburdenourselves from habituation and allow ourselves choice in any moment.


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-/ I0 %E12I1E3 -/ I0 4/KE3 -/ /&IO10 /'E %E12I1E /&IO103 O-OE0 I0 E44E& 203 -/ 5I6O0O5I&/6 I002E0 /'I0E 4'O7 I03 -/ &O10I2E0722/6 BE1E4I I1 5I&K253

0eminal post. 7y answer to that is :he actions that are $enuine actionsare those that %E results, re$ardless of how one arrives at them:.

++++++ 0O, -/ O -O7E1 -/13 I recall havin$ a convo with oecutter about his friend who would walk up to women, and tell them that he was rich and wanted to marry them. e would weave the story, work it, and sleep with them that ni$ht. hen he*d blow them off the ne8t day, leavin$ them heartbroken.

1ow my first reaction to this was to be appalled. I Fuestioned my respect for oecutter, and $enerally wondered what he could possibly be thinkin$. ow could he "ustify this sort of thin$3 e said that I was livin$ in an /4& mindset, and that women 6ODE :to have their hopes and dreams shattered by scoundrels like an 0olo: and such, and that it was somethin$ that they actually -/1E.

Is this -/ E< -/1 or merely -/ E< 'E05O1 O3 1o chick willaccept this as valid reasonin$ since it is akin to acceptin$ that theyare dama$ed, disfunctional $oods. -antin$ somethin$ implies awarenessand conscious thou$ht. his is what the most intelli$ent chick I*ve evermet had to say in her partin$ letter9:ruly, I am in a $ood place in my life as well....movin$ into my ownnew home with my son...workin$ and stayin$ away from any masculineinfluence until I know that I will no lon$er make bad selections inpartners.


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with my own life e8periences, and it was immensely confusin$ and painfulat the time.

I decided that I4 I &O1I12E OI1% -/ I / /6-/


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+ psych ma"or, doh.

In my opinion, there is a clear cut reason + -hile my se8ual persona may not be as con$ruent with my real personality as I*d like, my C/&IO10C are &O1%'2E1 with what I C5'OJE&C.But isn*t it funny how your actions and pro"ected personality chips awayat your core true personality3


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0ome %O6 insi$hts that mi$ht have taken 7O10 or lon$er to discover on my own.

0o do I then....

(/# accept these insi$hts that are clearly 0O6I truths from your e8periences in+field and yourpersonal e8periences with 52.

or

(B# learn the hard way and e8perience these insi$hts on my own.

I think this is an important Fuestion to ask. 'eadin$ somethin$ is one thin$. 0eein$ it for yourselfin the field is another.

-hat do I mean by this333

It took you = 6O1% months to reali;e that bein$ confident and $enuwine wasn*t enou$h to $et you laid. 2ntil you went throu$h those = 6O1% months you were probably convinced that you

were doin$ OK and at some point you -O26 $et laid. It was the e8perience that solidified theinsi$hts that you post here.

It mi$ht not take another $uy = months but I also think its not wise for someone to 0KI5 thatlearnin$ process and "ump strai$ht to some of the material you were usin$ after that 6O1% =month dry spell. he dry spell you went throu$h clearly improved your communication with

women, your body lan$ua$e and probably many other areas.

/ccelerated learnin$ is tricky. I think a solid foundation in 52 is pretty important...and it takestime.

0o a$ain, much appreciated %O6 post, but even thou$h its probably all solid truths, it*llprobably take me another few months to acknowled$e and appreciate how truthful this post reallyis. Just like it took me about three months to truly acknowled$e how 7O1E< some other insi$htsposted on /04 really were.

I think I*ll start by pickin$ up a copy of 1ancy 4ridays book...

peace

6ow'ider

eein$ it for yourself in the field is another. -hat do I mean by this333

It took you = 6O1% months to reali;e that bein$ confident and $enuwine wasn*t enou$h to $et you laid. 2ntil you went throu$h those = 6O1% months you were probably convinced that you were doin$ OK and at some point you -O26 $et laid. It was the e8perience that solidified the insi$hts that you post here. It mi$ht not take another $uy = months but I also think its not wise for someone to 0KI5 that learnin$ process and "ump strai$ht to some of the material you were usin$ after that 6O1% = month dry spell. he dry spell you went throu$h clearly improved your communication with women, your body lan$ua$e and


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probably many other areas.


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5eace,

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ey yler,

5rops brother.. props.


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1ow that I*m done parrotin$ yler... here*s a thou$ht.

1ow that we*ve $one full circle... back to a modified version of the *Bein$ a "erk $ets the pussy*a8iom... -hat else is there to *discover*3 hey say that the "ourney is more pleasurable than thedestination. hat works for everythin$ from tryin$ to attain a career... to the act of foreplay to se8.1ow that yler*s post has provided an or$asm... brin$in$ to$ether the fundamentals of what we*ve

been buildin$ up.. what*s left3

hink about that.

2ntil my ne8t post... &iao.

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC:ow a man plays a $ame shows somethin$ of his characterX how he loses shows it all...:+2nknown

1ote9 I haven*t decided as a definite whether to have 2ndercover 7averick or somethin$ else as apermanent handle. /ny su$$estions3 95

witch wrote in news9@V>@.VVV[discussion.fastseduction.com9

here is my -4. -hy do $irls want,need, desire any form of drama3 -hat is the attraction to it3

Because they have cunts.

If you want to fuck a cunt, you have to deal with the people who have them.hat Fuote above is simply information that*s necessary, for learnin$ to

deal productively with those people.

I really en"oyed this post, and what I $ot out of it was that we are takin$ this :fakin$: thin$ toofar...

52 is a 05O', with 56/


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don*t remember every other 52 tactic from the past "ust bein$ rewritten.

*s stuff works, sure.

But if I see one more fucker $oin$ :-ow this is the O16< way to play the $ame: I*m $oin$ topuke.

-hat happened to calibratin$ the $irl3 -hat happened to every other 52 in the past that didn*tinvolve a $uy that was fully peacocked out in 5D&3

I*m not knockin$ it, hell I*m $ettin$ 5D& ne8t week and peacock boots and struttin$ the shit. But Idon*t think bein$ a "erk is the ultimate A only 52 method at all.

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ow this post will affect my $ame thou$h, I realised that usin$ swin$cat our $roup never $etsse8ual responses, but unless when we talk se8 beforehand or $ive an e8ample that includes se8.

7aybe I will try that some more, have the $irl talk se8, and then ...

I have $reat kino, maybe my kino doesn*t $o far enou$h. I escalate rapidly, have them fallin$ intome, etc, but then I have :reached my limit:.

5erhaps I can swin$cat se8ually at this time, and then $o take my kino further down their ass orinto their pants. I wonder if this will be con$ruent with my cute $uy frame and wether they*ll takeit or not3

4ield reports to come. It*s about time I try new stuff.

-arm 'e$ards,octorOwl

I think bein$ $enuine is bein$ proud of who you really are and bein$ able to communicate that.

onesty is important to me because I used to be liar. / /'&O'E liar, to almost everyone Iknew. 1o matter how :$ood: I was at lyin$ based on how others responded to my lies and liked or

were attracted to me as result of them I still had to endure the discomfort of seein$ myself as fake.In the lon$ run this did not help my interpersonal interactions or my $ame because it created thissort of chain reaction where I could not respect people because deep down I knew I had :fooled:them, I then started to resent them and resent myself for havin$ been responsible for havin$introduced the :fakeness: to the relationship.

I can bullshit with the best of them but I wasn*t a $ood enou$h liar or delusional enou$h to bullshit 7


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then your $ame is different than mine because your ability to convey your own attractiveness is based on somethin$ completely different and I see no reason to tell you anythin$ other than tokeep doin$ whatever you are doin$ however $enuine or not $enuine it may be I4 it is makin$ youhappy and you are creatin$ somethin$ in your life you want to live with by doin$ it.

On VAA> V9!9>> /7, ylerurden wrote9

I don*t 6IKE talkin$ aboutsocial dynamics and feelin$s.It BO'E0 me. C7ostC thin$sthat CmostC $irls like to talk about are of 1O I1E'E0 tome.

/re you sure3 I find it very difficult to believe someone who en"oys dicussin$ the $ame as you hasno interest in social dynamics. Okay, so it*s different that what you would talk about with $irls butsuch an I1E10E interest in 52 as you have must carry with it 0O7E interest in human behaviorof the kind that would be appropriate to talk about with women, doesn*t it3

I O 1O E1JO< runnin$

J2%%6E'*s rapport routineslike :I really like pi;;a: and:this is what my own palm saysabout me: and Gwhat would yourlife be rated if it was amovie3H, and makin$ those kindof self+revealin$ statements.1or would I like them any better had I invented them.

ry not doin$ routines. I mean 'E/66< $ive it a shot. /nd I don*t mean routines that youI1DE1, I mean 1O 'O2I1E0. 7aybe even take Ju$$ler*s workshop. I have a feelin$ that you'< to do this but you either don*t do it or you don*t put enou$h ener$y into it to really $et it and

you $o :42&K I0: and $o back to what you normally do.

If you really are not comfortable revealin$ yourself do some thinkin$ about why. 7aybe it*s "ustme and my attitude about thin$s but I really don*t understand it when I hear $uys say they don*t6IKE revealin$ themselves or they don*t 6IKE e8pressin$ themselves. /ll it prompts me to thinkis that they have never really O1E I.

On a similar point, I have heard a lot of /04 $uys say they think :rapport is borin$:. 7y first takeis to su$$est that these $uys have 1O &62E what 'E/6 rapport is because they have never reallyallowed themselves to e8perience it.

Or rather, I 6IKE runnin$them, for the purpose of 5I&KI1% 25. But I don’t run

them for the 0O6E 0/KE of runnin$ them.

I don*t like runnin$ :routines: for the sake of runnin$ them either. /nd I really $ave it a $ood $o.Or at least I think I did, maybe if I sar$ed with some people who areAwere more successful doin$thin$s that way I*d think differently about it. o me it "ust feels like I am usin$ a hand+puppet tointeract with people rather than interactin$ with them myself. I*d perfer that the real self $ets

better at interactin$ with women and 1O the hand+puppet.

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don*t 6IKE it anymore than /1


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about somethin$ that hasn*t really been cashed out on this board lately. -/ I0 %E12I1E3 -/ I0 4/KE3 -/ /&IO10 /'E %E12I1E /&IO103 O-OE0I0 E44E& 203 -/ 5I6O0O5I&/6 I002E0 /'I0E 4'O7 I03 -/ &O10I2E0722/6 BE1E4I I1 5I&K253

i*ve been told by a lot of people that i come across as very $enuine andsincere, and that boosts my $ame >>8 better than if i came across as fake.my definition of $enuine is doin$ what CIC want to do and say what CIC wantto say.. includin$ the stuff that CIC am interested in talkin$ about. sure,i*ve tried bein$ fake, lyin$ about my past and makin$ up stories and usin$other people*s routines off m/04 and the loun$e. it $ot me some results,

but i felt an emptiness because the material was doin$ the work for me. inrecent months i dropped that shit and win$ed it on my own usin$ my ownmaterial (most of it i come up on the fly, or true stories that happened inmy life in the past#... boy, what a 2%E difference it made I cannotstress that enou$h.

In my e8perience, if I ask a $irl what sort of way she feels a $uy should$o about pickin$ her up, she*ll often reply with somethin$ to the effect of9

no dude.. I don*t $o around askin$ $irls that. i know she*ll come up with acliche answer that doesn*t help me improve my $ame.

Y...Z

Of course, these last three work consistently on women of e8ceptional beauty, and the first one doesn*t (a$ain, &O10I0E16


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all as 2rsula 6idstrom su$$ested. 'ead the book probably >+! times. (sidenote9 E?&E66E1 info on bodylan$ua$e and %-7+style phase shiftin$ can

be found in this book, if you screen the rest#. 2nfortunately, for those ei$ht months I did not have se8 even O1&E. I amnot

why not33 from all these posts of yours i*ve read you keep claimin$ that you :coulda fucked her: yet you didnt want to because :its dumb shit: or:i*m scared to death of /I0A0/'0A0sAetcAetcAetc: or :she*s not $oodlookin$ enou$h: or :she kept screamin$ and screamin$ in public: or :i wastoo cau$ht off $aurd because she*s a perfect > and i didn*t need a ne$,

which contradicts the 77 theory, so I e"ected: and all kinds of e8cuses notto stick it in.

$ood lookin$, and could have had se8 with B@s, but that didAdoes notinterest me. I was entirely celibate those ei$ht months. I made many non+se8ual

friendships with $irls, who still to this day social+proof me on campus.

how can you have /66 this social proof and 1O $et laid3 its a waste...

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between these traits, and an e8ceptionally drop dead $or$eous woman bein$ attracted to a mediocre lookin$ $uy. he O16< way that you can convey I%E' value, by usin$ this method, is if

you have a '/'E connection with the $irl. his does happen, thou$h it cannot

be called a consistent pickup method, since it relies on e8ternal factors(ie9 that you actually have a similar world view, or somethin$ similar, etcetc#. his is 4/0+0eduction, which discusses how to be a 56/


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months is a result of a stickin$ point in your $ame, 1O a result of bein$$enuine and buildin$ rapport.

I recall havin$ a convo with oecutter about his friend who would walk upto women, and tell them that he was rich and wanted to marry them. e would weave the story, work it, and sleep with them that ni$ht. henhe*d blow them off the ne8t day, leavin$ them heartbroken.

yeah he told me that story too. his friend must be an E?&E66E1 liar and amaster bullshitter. he $ets laid with those $irls, no Fuestion. of coursehe dumps those $irls, because he 6O0 'E05E& for them why33 because they 4E66 for his ploy

0ooooo... 7< Fuestion is..... how does E feel about this3 how lon$ is he$oin$ to keep this up till he tires of it3 does he feel an emptiness afterhe dumps the $irl3 when is he $onna want to actually keep a $irl3 + and

why3 + under what circumstances3

Y...Z

/round L>M of women would start tellin$ me about how they love to suck dick and take it on the face. ow they dream about $ettin$ $an$+raped and fucked by stran$e men and hot $uys from clubs.

umm.. so did you dra$ em home and fuck them3 if not, then why are youcomplainin$ that you haven*t $otten laid in = months, and placin$ the blameon bein$ $enuineAbuildin$ rapport3 i*m tryin$ to understand the point of

your post... so I*ll read on.

I was forced to 'E+/00E00 my D/62E 0


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alone, Eddy makes the moves on her... therefore, he is bein$ $enuine andtrue to his BE6IE40.

Y...Z

he $irls that I thou$ht were 6O


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answer.

yeah $irls do those tests to see if you*re an /&. if you fail, they see you as 4/KE. $ame over. if you do pass, $reat. but i find that if i*mtryin$ to be someone I*m 1O, then I really have to I1K e8tremely fast onmy feet to pass it.

O-EDE'... if I am /6'E/< bein$ $enuine, and she shit+tests me, I pass it with flyin$ colors, and I never even had to think about it. 7aybe I neverreali;ed it was a shit+test, either. 0ee how much E/0IE' it is to be when

you*re like this3

/fterwards, once I have 5'ODE1 myself to be the kind of man that she wants, I

why do you 4EE6 that you /DE to 5'ODE yourself to her3 I don*t...

Y...Z

I don*t 6IKE talkin$ about social dynamics and feelin$s. It BO'E0 me.C7ostC thin$s that CmostC $irls like to talk about are of 1O I1E'E0 to me.

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On VAVA> R9@9!= /7, B6scorp) wrote9yeah, so3 still doesn*t proveyour point that bein$ $enuinedoesnt work.

yo B6 dude.. you didn*t understand the thesis of my post.

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Just here to say I a$ree with B6scorp; and 0e85?.

mm

I $ot a little bit depressed when readin$ this post, . Especially the part about women only wantin$ to talk about stuff that is borin$ to you, stuff that you find interestin$ only in respect to

weather talkin$ about it will help you $et laid or not.

But then I remembered its not always like this. I also remembered that discussin$ feelin$s with aperson I*m in love with is %'E/

If you are a soldier stormin$ the enemy lines, you would not like to discuss 5u+techniFue with thesoldier runnin$ ne8t to you, not at that moment, even if you find the topic interestin$.

E8actly the same is the reason why you and the $irl don*t want to discuss Fuantum physics at thetime when you are tryin$ to fi$ure if you love one another. (on*t tell me that you would be happyif you were tryin$ to 52 a $irl that you NreallyN liked, and she suddenly started to talk aboutImmanuel Kant*s hypothetical perspective for metaphysics#

2ntil the situation is mapped out + who loves who + alot of topics are I''E6ED/1 and thus

totally un appropriate to discuss. Brin$in$ them up is the same as re"ectin$ the other person,since it de+rails the 52 process

hanks for another $reat post, V9!9>> /7, ylerurden wrote9-/ I0 %E12I1E3 -/ I0 4/KE3

I think bein$ $enuine is very simple in theory9 o act in accordance with your desires.

+++++++++++++++++0ituational e8ample9


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he Ju$$ler method, which is keep openin$ up yourself to her until she reciprocates it is211&E00/'< for me, because if I $et her attracted 4/0 then she*ll be all into my shit, and itdoesn*t matter.

R# I make up all my own routines from life e8perience, which btw I0 Ju$$ler method. I will post what Ju$$ler method I0 above this thread, so you $uys can discuss it. he only routines I*ve everposted that didn*t come from life e8perience are cocky lines.

# I pull mostly BLs, and have so much opportunity to pull that I turn down many $irls. 1one ofmy results correlate to any short+comin$s in my $ame, since my results are e8cellent ri$ht now.

V# I have tried EDE'< tactic in the $ame for at least strai$ht weeks. I have pulled usin$ nomaterial whatsoever, and have pulled usin$ %-7. I can pull usin$ even 00.

Incidentally 0e85?, one thin$ that I really recommend is learnin$ to pull usin$ EDE'< method, because if you haven*t pulled usin$ it, then you can*t understand it (since /66 methods will workat least enou$h to pull once in a while#.

0o the &]4 stuff, etc, can*t really be understood until you*ve pulled with it at least once or twice,

because then you can accurately assess why it worked, and why it may not have been as $ood without.

!# -hat I posted was that $eneratin$ discussion that is desi$ned to keep the $irl*s attention is the0/7E to me, no matter O- I do it.

-hy3 Because no matter what I talk about, its desi$ned to keep her attention and lead to fclose.

0o I can talk about borin$ stuff that I don*t like :I like pi;;a, I like kids: etc etc, or I can talk about "erk stuff I did and tease. EIE' -/< I*m tryin$ to force a frame that $ets her attention, then$ets her in bed.

his issue of :be $enuine: and all that is not somethin$ that affects my $ame, and I $et betterresults by $oin$ with the frames discussed in the ori$inal post.

/nyway, thanks for the feedback and $eneratin$ discussion.

I*ll post up the Ju$$ler method above this thread, which we could discuss it up there if you want.

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On VAVA> !9!!9>> /7, ylerurden wrote9

# 7y &O1DE< I%E' D/62Ephase (first few minutes of

initial 52# is the main placethat canned material is everused. I*ve been sayin$rapport, rapport, rapport fora$es now, but for some reasonpeople i$nore this.

I haven*t i$nored it, I "ust haven*t been replyin$.


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It*s inall my posts, but like I said,comes /4E' you*ve conveyedhi$her value.

I don*t believe conveyin$ hi$her value is in conflict with buildin$ rapport. 7akin$ nothin$ butstatements early in the interaction, providin$ the ma"ority of the value to the interaction in the

be$innin$ and speakin$ from the heart while you are doin$ it OE0 convey value and OE0 buildrapport at the same time. I don*t share your apparent belief in a distinct separation between whatis '/55O' and what is D/62E.

I make up all my ownroutines from life e8perience,which btw I0 Ju$$ler method.

I $uess I wouldn*t $o so far as to say it is absolutely 1O Ju$$ler method but it bear in mind theultimate $oal of Ju$$ler method is to rid yourself of all //&7E10 (ie. routines, cannedmaterial# and to rely more and more on yourself until you rely &O756EE6< on yourself. rysharin$ your life e8periences and observations of the world without havin$ to make :routines: upabout it and you will be closer to what Ju$$ler method is.

/s I have discussed with you before, my view of canned material and these :routines: is differentthan yours. 7akin$ up routines, openers or thin$s to say and tryin$ them out is fun and in mye8perience it was $ood for startin$ out but I "ust don*t see it as somethin$ to be -/66O-E I1, Isee it as somethin$ to move beyond.

I pull mostly BLs, andhave so much opportunity topull that I turn down many $irls. 1one of my resultscorrelate to any short+comin$sin my $ame, since my resultsare e8cellent ri$ht now.

&ool. 0ounds like you have it fi$ured out what works for you.

+5?

On VAVA> 9!R9>> /7, 0e85? wrote9&ool. 0ounds like you have it fi$uredout what works for you.+5?

-hat*s up 5?.. I "ust posted the Ju$$ler method post, which I hope you*ll discuss with me because its somethin$ that I*m interested in.

I was "ust thinkin$ more about this, and I think that it comes down to style.

here are many ways to attract.

Bein$ a $uy that $irls can connect with is one way. (Ju$$ler#

Bein$ a cocky badboy type is another way. (#


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Bein$ a on Juan romancer is another way. (00#

Bein$ lar$er than life centre of attention is another way. (77#

Bein$ a raw se8ual bein$ is another way. (%-7#

I*ve tried each of them, but since bein$ a cocky+ass muthafucka is most con$ruent to 7<personality, it works for 7E.

4or $uys readin$, they should focus on what E< identify with, and work on that.

I $uess that my ori$inal post was about my own level of con$ruence. /lso, focusin$ on pro"ectin$ apersonality that would attract the attention that


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hat is it.

1ow lets $o out and do it instead of always talkin$ about it.

)

:I*ve cum to liberate all who have not been liberated.:

Just checkin$ in here ... ran a search to see what people are sayin$ about my ideas. he thin$s youhave Fuoted me on is not the sort of advice I would have put out onto this public forum with allsorts of disfunctional whackos readin$ it. On the other hand, it is nice that you are breakin$ out ofa :sFuare: view of se8uality.

he reason I "ump in here and post is because I know that people do thin$s "ust because I said it was a $ood thin$ to do. o not read the wron$ thin$s into what has said of my advice. 1otunless you are se8ually hip. 6ike when you can watch R men kissin$ in a film without turnin$away. -hen you are $entle and like women. -hen you can do all of the se8ual role playin$ with asmile and affection for the $irl. 7ost of you readin$ this are not there, so dont even bother.1evertheless I will e8pand a little.

wrote9 I recall havin$ a convo with oecutter about his friend who would walk up to women, and tellthem that he was rich and wanted to marry them. e would weave the story, work it, and sleep with them that ni$ht. hen he*d blow them off thene8t day, leavin$ them heartbroken. 1ow my first reaction to this was to be appalled. I Fuestioned my respect for oecutter, and $enerally wondered what he could possibly bethinkin$. ow could he "ustify this sort of thin$3e said that I was livin$ in an /4& mindset, and that women 6ODE :to have their hopes and

dreams shattered by scoundrels like an 0olo: and such, and that it was somethin$ that theyactually -/1E.

OK, this $uy we are talkin$ about that proposes to chicks is a $ood friend, and a truely e8cellent52/. 1ot in the walk+in+with+sFuare+shoulders+on+a+mission kind, but rather he "ust surroundshimself in women. e specialises in the waitresses from the hottest venues in town, as well as theelite lookin$ $irls within those venues. , if you had met him you would understand. B6 methim, but unfortunately did not hear him recount stories of how he proposed to chicks. he storiesare halarious. e is a $ood story teller.

he $uy I0 a scoundrel. hat is his style. e will blatently hit on a waitress in a playful way. /skthem outri$ht if they have a boyfriend while they are takin$ his order. 'un cheeky and blatent

boyfriend destroyers on them (not as covert hypnosis, but as comedy#. /sk them if they don*tthink they need more of a James Bond type in their life Yblatent and obvious self point and cheeky

$rinZ. hey lau$h, batter their eyelids and try to tell him they are taken, and it is all fun. /ll a$ame. his is what one mi$ht call flirtin$. e is a $ood flirt. he $irls love it.

he marry me thin$ crosses over into se8ual fantasy, however. It is fantasy role play. I knew at thetime (when I e8plained it to you# you weren*t hip to it (se8ual fantasy role play#.


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se8uality. /nd don*t take yourself too seriously. /nd are able to "oke and :"ust pretend: in the waychildren do so easily.

wrote9e su$$ested that I read 1/1&< 4'I/< :7y 0ecret %arden:, to read about women*s rapefantasies, and how repressive society has $enerated a common female fantasy for badboys who

will break down their socially+tau$ht resistance, and treat them like the :dirty: $irls that deepdown they know themselves to be.

on*t $et me wron$. hose fantasies are not violent rape fantasies. hey are fantasies about bein$a th century dutch maid in a windmill in old /msterdam and bein$ taken from behind while shescrubs the floor by her master for e8ample (I think I "ust made that up#. It is about takin$ away allthe heavy conseFuences from se8. 6ike all the risksX emotional, societial, physical risks that are sooverwhealmin$ that if a $irl considers it too lon$ she will never fuck anyone. In many of thefantasies she ima$ines herself a different person so that even in the fantasy she does not have totake responsibility for why she would be doin$ this.

-omens fantasy novels are full of fortune hunters (trickin$ the lead female out of her knickersand her fortune in a lavish ploy#, pirates and others of that type. It is not that $irls deep down are:dirty $irls: (the word itself holds lar$e values "ud$ements about how you view se8 and women#.


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romance novels and read it. he novel is one lon$ womens fantasy. here is nothin$ wron$ withse8. -omen like it in that dream+like way of the novels. 1ot the hard focus $ritty reality way ofmens porn films.

wrote9 I would do thin$s like tell women to close their eyes, and then kiss them. ell them that I lovethem within seconds of meetin$, even thou$h this is clearly a way to $et into their pants.

his needs to be done in a cheeky way. 1ot for a $uy who takes himself seriously. &omedy.

I would even tell subtle stories about how I am currently plannin$ to use women to $et to alltheir friends.

on*t like it. It comes off as machiavalian and connivin$ (is that how you spell it3#.

wrote9 It was difficult for me, because I*ve always been e8tremely conservativeAri$htwin$Arepublican.I chan$ed my ima$e to include wild clothes that pro"ected myself as a badboy se8ual bein$. Istarted wearin$ clothes of a female se8 fantasy, such as racecar "ackets, industrial plat boots,

bonda$e shit, spikey dyed hair, outra$eous cool$uy accessories, etc etc.


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toecutter wrote9he $uy I0 a scoundrel. hatis his style. e willblatently hit on a waitress ina playful way. /sk themoutri$ht if they have aboyfriend while they aretakin$ his order. 'un cheeky and blatent boyfrienddestroyers on them (not ascovert hypnosis, but ascomedy#. /sk them if they don*t think they need more of a James Bond type in theirlife Yblatent and obvious self point and cheeky $rinZ. hey lau$h, batter their eyelidsand try to tell him they aretaken, and it is all fun. /ll

a $ame. his is what one mi$htcall flirtin$. e is a $oodflirt. he $irls love it.

yeah thanks for all those insi$hts &.. upped my $ame bi$time..

+ I stopped $ettin$ them to tell me stories about adventures, and instead would "ust pause, and wait for them to $ive me

the 'E/6 I'. /round L>M of women would start tellin$ me about how they love to suck dick and take it on the face.

&ould you clarify how you $et women to admit this3 hanks.

On VAA> V9!9>> /7, ylerurden wrote9OK Breakbeat, did it up nicefor you. Even took a few moreminutes than I’d planned (hour and ! instead of "ust anhour# since I was en"oyin$writin$ it. %o nuts, anddon’t comment until you’veread it entirely and thou$htit over. It’s always easierto &'II&I)E a statement thanit is to make one of your own,so your task shouldn*t bedifficult. 'eply intelli$ently.


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-ait a minute now I 52 a lot of thou$ht into my criticism. 9#++++he latest discussions about$enuine behaviour have "ust$otten me thinkin$ aboutsomethin$ that hasn*t really been cashed out on this boardlately.-/ I0 %E12I1E3 -/ I0 4/KE3-/ /&IO10 /'E %E12I1E/&IO103 O- OE0 I0 E44E&203 -/ 5I6O0O5I&/6 I002E0

/'I0E 4'O7 I03 -/&O10I2E0 722/6 BE1E4I I15I&K253/ very important topic.ry to bear with me, chunkspractical and tacticalmaterials /'E buried within..+++++++In my e8perience, if I ask a$irl what sort of way shefeels a $uy should $o aboutpickin$ her up, she*ll oftenreply with somethin$ to theeffect of9:-ell.. e should come and say *i*. hen he should "ust behimself.. e should beconfident.. Introducehimself.. 7aybe have a senseof humour.. alk to me a bitso that we can $et to know eachother.. /nd ask me if I*ll

$o somewhere nice with him..Oh yeah, also I like it if he*ll "ust $ive me his number,"ust in case, you know..:his way, she can screen himon looks, and proceed to makea rational decision on herterms.


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er system was to be yourself,confident, and $enuine. /lso,to demonstrate alpha statusthrou$h $ood bodylan$ua$e andbein$ well dressed. /fterhundreds of approaches, I $otthis down pat.I did at least ! approaches aday (thou$h usually more#,"ust bein$ myself, confident,and $ettin$ to know $irls in away that was very cool and$enuine + all as 2rsula6idstrom su$$ested. 'ead thebook probably >+! times.(sidenote9 E?&E66E1 info onbodylan$ua$e and %-7+stylephase shiftin$ can be found in

this book, if you screen therest#.2nfortunately, for those ei$htmonths I did not have se8 evenO1&E. I am not $ood lookin$,and could have had se8 withB@s, but that didAdoes notinterest me. I was entirely celibate those ei$ht months. Imade many non+se8ualfriendships with $irls, whostill to this day social+proof me on campus.

hose thin$s are $ood traits to have, but they only $et you in front of her.

O.K. I*m listenin$, please continue.

But whenever I*d try toescalate, they*d react with:


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on*t you "ust love shallow chicks3

/lso note that in $eneral,


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his is 4/0+0eduction, whichdiscusses how to be a 56/


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I recall havin$ a convo withoecutter about his friend whowould walk up to women, andtell them that he was rich andwanted to marry them.e would weave the story, work it, and sleep with them thatni$ht. hen he*d blow them off the ne8t day, leavin$ themheartbroken.1ow my first reaction to thiswas to be appalled.I Fuestioned my respect foroecutter, and $enerally wondered what he couldpossibly be thinkin$. ow could he "ustify this sort of

thin$3e said that I was livin$ inan /4& mindset, and that women6ODE :to have their hopes anddreams shattered by scoundrelslike an 0olo: and such, andthat it was somethin$ thatthey actually -/1E.e su$$ested that I read 1/1&


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Dery weird, and disturbin$. Idid 1O like readin$ this, nordo I necessarily like it now.

I*ve seen women who would only have se8 with $uys who would take it from them. he first time Isaw it /55E1 it turned my stomach, then the chick walked away with a smile on her face, whichturned my stomach even more.

Basically, I interpreted that$irls like '/7/ of /1< kind.hey want I1E10E emotionaldrama. /s /lphahot mentionedin a post a few threads below this one, they $ravitatetowards sources of e8tremeemotions. 0coundrels who usethem and thus $ive them drama./nd they $ravitate towards it.

Of course, I was skeptical,and even after readin$ 1ancy 4riday I still maintained theview that these fantasies wereanomolies, and that most womendid not want this sort of thin$.Eddy also read this book, andshared my opinion. Be both$enerally hated it, and Irecall Eddy throwin$ the book across the room several times.Other 52/s who visit uscomment on how scuffed up thebook is, as Eddy has thrown itliterally on almost every occassion he*s read it,screamin$ :that could be my own mom that could be my own mooooommmmmm/'%:+++++

4IE6 E0I1% 1/1&< 4'I/


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they*ll adapt to.. if you seta frame of provider candidate,they*ll adopt a screen frame..if you set a frame of thembein$ screened for dirty slutty lesbian se8, they*llturn into sluts:


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his was similar to my e8perience when I first testedroutines based on spells andthe unknown. I*d alwaysthou$ht that most $irls didn*tbelieve in psychics and E05,until I be$an makin$ it soundlike CIC did, and that I wouldnot J2%E them on it. I foundout that most $irls Ibelieve in E05, and that thosefew who didn*t could beconvinced otherwise with eventhe most simplistic mentalistillusion.++++++0o much like thenon+"ud$emental frame that use

with the E05 stuff, I*d appear1O1+J2%E7E1/6 for their:slutty: desires.

hat*s somethin$ I have to work on.

+++E G1E-H 9It was difficult for me,because I*ve always beene8tremely conservativeAri$htwin$Arepublican.I chan$ed my ima$e to includewild clothes that pro"ectedmyself as a badboy se8ualbein$. I started wearin$clothes of a female se8fantasy, such as racecar"ackets, industrial platboots, bonda$e shit, spikey dyed hair, outra$eous cool$uy

accessories, etc etc.Initially, this was hard forme to stomach. I felt very incon$ruent for the first week or two.I be$an 5'OJE&I1% that I wasa 0&O21'E6 JE'K who wouldintentionally and openly 20E


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and /B20E of women. Ipro"ected : is a "erk, who7/KE0 1O E?&20E0 for it.. 6ikea rockstar, he fucks his$roupies, and sends them homehappy that they could $et eventhat:.It*s funny, because this isn*tthe case + I didn’t feel thatway. But in the past,pro"ectin$ the &O10E'D/IDE'E/6 7E wasn*t elicitin$ any 0E?2/6 reaction from women.I decided that I4 I &O1I12EOI1% -/ I / /6-/


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$otten with them + 1O BE4O'E.-O7E1*0 'E/&IO1091ow, when I walk into a roomon campus, women start$i$$lin$ and checkin$ me out.hey touch me, shit test meimmediately to see if I really /7 what I pro"ect, and show massive physical IOIs (faceme, lean in, perk up theirbreasts, lick their lips, bi$eyes, etc etc etc#.I do 1OI1% other than "ustwalk into the room, and convey the attitude that*s discussedin this post.

:I will fuck you the secondyou let your $uard down,because I am a badboy andthat*s "ust me: is the ima$ethat I convey, and womenrespond instantly.Of course, 7O0 women will beinitially /'/&E, but stillwon*t sleep with me from thatfeelin$ alone. hey can’tFuite "ustify their desire,because of social+conditionin$.0o the 0O62IO19 0how thatthey have a &/1&E to tameyou, and that you have asensitive inside somewheredeep down.. + %E '/55O'.his leads me to the allimportant .........+++

-I66426 &O%1IIDE I00O1/1&E9%oin$ back to the OE&2E' :marry+me: routine, what haveI learned3oecutter e8plained that women-I664266< I%1O'E the truth, inorder to preserve the feelin$sthat they are derivin$ from


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the massive drama that youprovide.his is also from 7/1I/&NI%,so if you disa$ree then maybecheck out the new maniac planfor more detailed e8plication./nyway, oecutter states thatthe $irls who were :duped: by the marria$e trick were infact -E66+/-/'E that it wasclearly bullshit, but thatthey -/1E to $o alon$ withit, so that they coulde8perience the /DE12'E.he same $oes for 7ystery*s$irlfriend of ! years, who0I66 BE6IEDE0 that he

$enuinely has 7/%I& 5O-E',includin$ an ability tolevitate himself from the$round, move ob"ects with hismind, and read thou$htstelepathically.Of course, havin$ been withhim for ! years, there is/B0O62E6< 1O -/< that shewouldn*t have fi$ured out how he does his illusions. espitehis sharp skills, many illusions I fi$ured out afterhan$in$ with him for "ust amonth. e may have done itover >> times before Ifi$ured it out, but EDE12/66


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-hy does 7ystery have condomsall over his room3 hmmmmmm...&ould he really $o monthswithout se8 while hetravels333 hmmmmm.... -hatdoes it mean when $irls callhim non+stop while they*re inbed to$ether333 hmmmmm... ewalks into the club and $irls0-/'7 him... hmmmmmm.. epicked her up and fucked herfirst ni$ht they met...hmmmm....But still they &OO0E toI%1O'E it, because he providesthe drama that they want./nd as a BO120, they $et to $ohome and spend time convincin$

their parents and friends how $reat 7ystery is, which $ivesthem even 7O'E drama.6ikewise, in my smallcommunity, I $o pickup $irls.hey $o back to theirroomates, who inevitably onsome occassions will have beenpicked up by me a monthearlier. But does that 'E5E6them from me, like our 6O%I&/6/4&+I1O&'I1/E brains wouldhave so lon$ e8pected3 1O5E.It "ust $ives them 7O'E '/7/ and sucks them in even deeper.his was even the case whenthey’ve heard that I used the0/7E O5E1E'0 and 'O2I1E0.0tran$e, huh3


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thou$ht. Or rather, at leastwhen it comes to 0E?.he $irls that I thou$ht were*nice* have revealed thatthey*ve been fucked by anonymous $uys, loved it, andwant it a$ain.he $irls that I thou$ht were6O


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out whether or not this was"ust a validation+$ame, or if its an emotional connection./nd do CIC necessarily wantthe $ames3 1ope.I remember when I first didclubs, and I*d tease a hi$hcalibre B. 0ay a L or >. /ndshe*d touch me, and say thatshe liked me. But as soon asI*d 'E&I5'O&/E that, she*d6O0E I1E'E0. It was a 0IE0, 1O $enuinecommunication. Or was it3-as it $enuinely communicatin$that she wanted to see if Iwas really the "erk she wantedme to be, and that she had to

test me to find out3o shit tests constitute$enuine communication3 he$irl is trickin$ you, to findyour true nature. But then,if you pass, you $enuinely will hookup with her. 0o isthe $irl $enuine, or not3 1otnecessarily an easy Fuestionto answer.


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based value "ud$ements onwhich are more le$itimate, thefact remains that they E?I0./nd of course, if $enuinecommunication in the'/IIO1/6 0E10E was theB/0I0 of /'/&IO1, then Isuppose I’d probably be hookedup with the very fat and u$ly $irl from my history class,with whom I had a $reatconversation with last fall.But then, the attractive $irlsI bed will most oftenB/&K-/'0 '/IO1/6I)E whatevernice thin$s she finds outabout me, and probably decidethat O0E thin$s were &6E/'6


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eide$er and 1iet;che and0artre, and sub"ectivemorality in a world withoutdo$matic value sources. I’ddiscuss Kripke and causaltheory. I’d discuss flaws insymbolic notation. his stuff 4/0&I1/E0 me.I don*t 6IKE talkin$ aboutsocial dynamics and feelin$s.It BO'E0 me. C7ostC thin$sthat CmostC $irls like to talk about are of 1O I1E'E0 tome.I O 1O E1JO< runnin$J2%%6E'*s rapport routineslike :I really like pi;;a: and:this is what my own palm says

about me: and Gwhat would yourlife be rated if it was amovie3H, and makin$ those kindof self+revealin$ statements.1or would I like them any better had I invented them.Or rather, I 6IKE runnin$them, for the purpose of 5I&KI1% 25. But I don’t runthem for the 0O6E 0/KE of runnin$ them.I will 20E this stuff, but Idon*t 6IKE it anymore than /1


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Either way, I*m 4/KI1%0O7EI1%. /s are 7O0sensitive new a$ed $uys whowill talk about this sappy crap, in the subconscious hopethat it will $ain attentionfrom women.5ickin$ up by talkin$ aboutreal stuff that I feel, but O1O want to be talkin$ about,is of no $reater value to methan tellin$ stories that Iread from the internet. I’mstill bein$ un$enuine, in a0E10E, because my motivationse8tend BE


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GmyselfH I find me that O1Especial $irl.. I 0I66wouldn*t care, because I*m notI1E'E0E in that kind of relationship in my early twenties anyway.0O9Is 'E420I1% to play $ames$enuine3If that*s the case, then -


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0ince the $irls I associatewith K1O- and E?5E& that its$oin$ to be a short+lived/DE12'E ($iven that I*vemade it fully obvious from thestart#, they 1EDE' $et$enuinely upset when it ends.0ure, they may pout briefly,but then they*re off to the1E? 0I72620 + be it the ne8tsocially+proofed "erk, ordancin$, or drinks.On the other hand, back when Iused to be the 6O


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the "erk+way that I presentmyself, is the way that I $oabout doin$ it. Once the pactis made (se8#, I*m comfortableto be fully myself. iscusswhat I want, etc etc.. /nd the$irls are /6-/


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clownin$+around that $oesalon$ with it./nd as with the boss at the"ob interview, you hope toeventually $et to know your$irl on a more G$enuineHlevel, when the time is/55'O5'I/E.-hen I1II/66< 5I&KI1% 25 / %I'6, showin$ the side of yourself that E6I&I0 0E?2/6'E/&IO1 is 7O0 /55'O5'I/E,because you are not puttin$the $irl in a position whereshe has to snub you based onse8ual indifference to yourapproach.


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before3 1O. I was "ust&O14O'7I1%, and hadn’t the1E'DE to show my intentions./lso, I didn’t 'E/6I)E that my intentions -E'E 1O EDI6.-omen /55'E&I/E these kindsof $uys, and you BE1E4I whenyou openly demonstrate thatyou are that $uy P makin$ noe8cuses for it.-hile / 4I'0 I feltI1&O1%'2E1, I later reali;edthat in fact I / BE&O7Econ$ruent.I be$an 5'OJE&I1% the sort of ima$e that was con$ruent withmy I1E1IO10, and $irls were

reactin$ better, and nevershowin$ unpleasant surprisesas in they had in the past.

0omethin$ that I*ve noticed in all people, includin$ myself, is the fact that when e8pectationsdon*t match what*s happenin$ we $et frustrated by it.

0ome will simpley $et confused, while others will $et anoyed, some will $et an$ry, and their arethose who will become amused at it, but the thin$ isX It*s nearly always an emotional reaction ofsome sort or another.

7y act of pre+plannin$ andstudyin$ lines and tactics topro"ect my badboy ima$e I0&O1%'2E1 with who I am,because who I am is someonewhose intentions are tointeract with women in thisway.hey en"oy it. I en"oy it.hey benefit. I benefit. -e722/66< benefit.I am now con$ruent. I feel

$ood for it.If you want to "ud$e it, $oahead. Just don’t claim thatyour philosophy has any superiority over any othersub"ective value+"ud$ement,because it is "ust that. / sub"ective value "ud$ement.


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++&O1&620IO190o there you have it. 7any chicks di$ "erk+asshole types.-ho ever said that thecommunity never makes new discoveries anyway3hmmmmm..../nd what is $enuine3 -hat istruth3 hose Fuestions are tobe pondered over a lifetime,and they are part of whatmakes the human e8periencedynamic.But if I can draw one solidconclusion, its that claimin$

absolute knowled$e of suchFuestions is self+indul$ent./nd in the opinion of thislowly+52/, its not $enuine.+

4or 'eal.ylerurden wrote in news9@==>.VVV[discussion.fastseduction.com9

0o there you have it. 7any chicks di$ "erk+asshole types. -ho ever said that the community never makes new discoveries anyway3 hmmmmm....

6O6 ...

6on$ post. I liked it, absorbed certain key elements. /lso, I*d like tosu$$est, that lurkin$ beneath /66 your mis$ivin$s about :bein$ non+$enuine:(rephrase as you see fit# could be, amon$ other thin$s ... the assumptionthat the woman is incapable of lookin$ after herself.

Just consider it a possibility. /fter your lon$ "ourney, you came back

around to the idea that you &/1 indeed be :con$ruently incon$ruent: when you perform actions that are :fake: (and desi$ned to be :deliberately fake:and therefore :known to be fake: and therefore not :fake: at all# (rephraseas you see fit# ... and in doin$ so, I*d su$$est all you*ve done is showE' the vote of confidence that says, :ey, I*m hot stuff, I*m a lit match

baby, and


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you :need to be lead to bein$ mislead: ((rephrase as you see fit## or whatever#.:


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$irls like '/7/ of /1< kind.hey want I1E10E emotionaldrama. /s /lphahot mentionedin a post a few threads below this one, they $ravitatetowards sources of e8tremeemotions. 0coundrels who usethem and thus $ive them drama./nd they $ravitate towards it.

Ok.... so $irls like intense drama. But does one have play out in the reality one of the characters inher fantasy3ow about "ust readin$ a romance novel to her9+#

oes one have to CbecomeC the character3 /tleast, in that case wouldn*t it be better if you were both "ust playin$, and you both knew it was "ust e8actly thatX "ust play3(probably impossible to set that frame in real life if not at some theatre or somethin$#.

-ell, well... that*s my comments. I like the way you write by the way, ylerurden.


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In my e8perience, I*m more likely to $et laid by lettin$ women know what I want than by hidin$my desires and manipulatin$ them.

On the other hand, I subtly $uide people to wonder about me. 7ost of my co+workers think I*m aplayer (more so than I am# but at the same time trust my innocent face. -hen they talk about howmuch of a nice $uy I am, I smirk. -hen they talk about me bein$ a player, I "ust lean back and$rin... I let them make up their own fantasies about me, and then $ive them "ust enou$h newinformation to add another level of mystery + because I CamC a man of mystery.

On VARVA> !9>=9>> /7, earinkin$%uy wrote9It took me a lon$ time to readthis thread, and I really hadto think about how this fitintoAaffected my view, whichis rather feminist (andprobably too liberal for X#..ow many $irls did you approach this week3 0ounds like you are sproutin$ philisophical bullshitto me. *s there was this article about how more women were askin$ men tomarry them ... I found it interestin$ ... I mean can you ima$ine that ... if it was the women who

were askin$ men to marry them as a rule. I mean it would trickle down all the way to here (the barthat we are in#. I mean if it were the women who were askin$ the men, then the whole thin$ would

be turned up+side+down. /nd the men would be sittin$ here on the bar stools. /nd it would be the women doin$ the approachin$.

:/nd all the confident $irls would be the ones with the attention of all the boys (s.p.# and the shy$irls would be sittin$ in the corners with a beer on their chest.(point at the lamos#

:ow would you $o3 -ould you have the coura$e to approach some $uy who would may say

:0orry, darlin*, not into to you. Best of luck ne8t time. But how about you buy me a drink... Ylet heranswerZ

:/nd maybe the $uys would look at thin$s differently. 6ike since I would no lon$er have mychoice of any woman(point away#, but only those that approach me (point at her#, I mi$ht look forthe $irls that all the other $uys seem to be into. 6ike if they all like her, then she must be $ood,ri$ht3

:0o what mi$ht I be in to3:

/nd then let her tell you e8actly what she looks for since you have swaped situations with her.

hen you $o9 :


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6ike perhaps he knows how to pull your hair Yas you pull her hairZ. /re you into that3 ere, pullmy hair9

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