Thinking About College Out Thinking About College Out of Stateof State

Dr. Rebecca Joseph

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Advantages of Going Away to Advantages of Going Away to College or Living in DormsCollege or Living in Dorms

Please write down three Please write down three reasons why going away to reasons why going away to college or living in a dorm could college or living in a dorm could benefit you?benefit you?

Please write down three fears Please write down three fears you or your parents may have you or your parents may have about your going away?about your going away?

The HandoutsThe Handouts

I have two handouts.I have two handouts. A summary of this powerpointA summary of this powerpoint An article I wrote about why you An article I wrote about why you

should go way to collegeshould go way to college Please share them with anyone Please share them with anyone

who you think may want to who you think may want to consider going away to college.consider going away to college.

There are schools for you…There are schools for you…

There are several thousand colleges There are several thousand colleges in the country. in the country.

The larger majority of them want to The larger majority of them want to diversify their campuses and are diversify their campuses and are desperate for our students.desperate for our students.

They come in all shapes and sizes. They come in all shapes and sizes. Out of state colleges often you Out of state colleges often you

exposure to new communities and exposure to new communities and students from all over the world.students from all over the world.

My Brain is on Fire.My Brain is on Fire. Florisel-Esteban Torres, Florisel-Esteban Torres,

Class of 2012, Brown Class of 2012, Brown Class of 2016Class of 2016

Upward Bound. Very Upward Bound. Very active in and out of active in and out of schoolschool

All but $4000 last year All but $4000 last year covered. 100% covered covered. 100% covered this year.this year.

Davis-Woodrow Wilson High School, Class of 2011Upward Bound. Very active in politicals and school leadershipUC Berkeley, Class of 2015Blue and Gold Plan

Martin and JohanaMartin and Johana MartinMartinLa Puente High School, Gear Up, La Puente High School, Gear Up,

Class of 2009Class of 2009Villanova University, Class of 2013Villanova University, Class of 2013First in family to go to collegeFirst in family to go to collegePresidential Scholarship, 100% Presidential Scholarship, 100%

covered including summer covered including summer programsprograms

Rome, Summer 2010; London School Rome, Summer 2010; London School of Economics, Fall 2012of Economics, Fall 2012

Job at Goldman Sachs next fall. Job at Goldman Sachs next fall.

Johana, Fremont High School, Class of

2010, University of Pennsylvania, Class of 2014

First in family to go to college Summer bridge program at

USC100% covered

What do competitive colleges What do competitive colleges look for…look for… GradesGrades Academic RigorAcademic Rigor Standardized Test ScoresStandardized Test Scores Application EssaysApplication Essays Counselor ReportCounselor Report Extracurricular ActivitiesExtracurricular Activities Teacher Letters of RecommendationTeacher Letters of Recommendation OtherOther

More About Private CollegesMore About Private Colleges

Some private colleges are Some private colleges are religious religious and are looking and are looking for students who match their religious beliefs. Some for students who match their religious beliefs. Some areare Jesuit Jesuit and accept all students. Jesuit colleges and accept all students. Jesuit colleges are very open toare very open to undocumented undocumented students. students.

Other private colleges are Other private colleges are liberal artsliberal arts. They often a . They often a great education within non-technical fields. They great education within non-technical fields. They offer great access to professors, amazing activities, offer great access to professors, amazing activities, and resources. and resources.

Still others are Still others are technical or arts-relatedtechnical or arts-related. There are . There are schools like Boston Conservatory or The Maryland schools like Boston Conservatory or The Maryland Institute of the Arts that only have programs for Institute of the Arts that only have programs for music or acting or artmusic or acting or art. Others are . Others are technicaltechnical like like MIT and only have programs related to math and MIT and only have programs related to math and science and engineering and technology.science and engineering and technology.

Reasons to Go Out of StateReasons to Go Out of State

Reasons to consider going out of state:Reasons to consider going out of state: These schools offer amazing academic, These schools offer amazing academic,

extracurricular, and social opportunities. extracurricular, and social opportunities. They offer internships and access to They offer internships and access to

tremendous support programs.tremendous support programs. They have world class professors who want to They have world class professors who want to

work with our students. work with our students. These schools offer access to fantastic These schools offer access to fantastic

programming, individualized attention, and programming, individualized attention, and incredible students from around the world.incredible students from around the world.

Many colleges will cover all costs for Many colleges will cover all costs for undocumented and under-represented students.undocumented and under-represented students.

Public Out of State CollegesPublic Out of State Colleges

There are state funded colleges and are traditionally There are state funded colleges and are traditionally much cheaper than private colleges. much cheaper than private colleges.

Each state has its own system of public universities. Each state has its own system of public universities. Flagship campuses are their top campus—Flagship campuses are their top campus—University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, University of University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, University of Texas-Austin, University of North Carolina-Chapel Texas-Austin, University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. Hill.

They also have all kinds of other great public They also have all kinds of other great public universities. In this economy they are looking for out universities. In this economy they are looking for out of state tuition and diverse students. of state tuition and diverse students.

There are also exchanges. The Western There are also exchanges. The Western Undergraduate Exchange that gives financial Undergraduate Exchange that gives financial discounts at many out of state colleges for discounts at many out of state colleges for California students. California students. http://wiche.edu/wue..

•Private CollegesPrivate Colleges

TThey come in all shapes and sizes. Some hey come in all shapes and sizes. Some are very selective. are very selective.

The Ivy League is the top tier with many of The Ivy League is the top tier with many of their colleges only accepting 6 to 10% of their colleges only accepting 6 to 10% of students who apply. students who apply.

There are middle level and small colleges There are middle level and small colleges all over. The large majority are desperately all over. The large majority are desperately seeking diverse students, and they canseeking diverse students, and they can’’t t find them. find them.

Their costs range from $10,000 to $57,000 Their costs range from $10,000 to $57,000 per year include tuition, room, board, and per year include tuition, room, board, and other costs.other costs.

How Do I Find These How Do I Find These Schools?Schools? How do I find these schools?How do I find these schools?

First, you need to know your match colleges. These First, you need to know your match colleges. These are based on your academic profile—including grades are based on your academic profile—including grades and test scores. and test scores.

They also depend on your level of involvement in They also depend on your level of involvement in activities and work. Your artistic and athletic talents activities and work. Your artistic and athletic talents can make a difference. can make a difference.

Your passions also matter—as there are schools for Your passions also matter—as there are schools for African American Students, all women, technology, African American Students, all women, technology, and more.and more.

Places to Helps You Find Places to Helps You Find These CollegesThese Colleges

You need to find a way to research these colleges.You need to find a way to research these colleges. You can visit many of them via summer programs You can visit many of them via summer programs

and fly-in programs. I maintain an update to date and fly-in programs. I maintain an update to date list. http://getmetocollege.org/hs/summer-list. http://getmetocollege.org/hs/summer-deadlines-for-fall-travel-visitsdeadlines-for-fall-travel-visits

You can go online to Cappex or Unigo and You can go online to Cappex or Unigo and research colleges. research colleges.

You can buy the book. College Access & You can buy the book. College Access & Opportunity Guide or use the free online resources. Opportunity Guide or use the free online resources. http://www.imfirst.org/scholarshiphttp://www.imfirst.org/scholarship

Go to College Greenlight. Go to College Greenlight. http://www.collegegreenlight.com/ You can http://www.collegegreenlight.com/ You can organize your entire college application process organize your entire college application process through this amazing new resource.through this amazing new resource.

You need to go on FB and other social media You need to go on FB and other social media websites to ask for recommendations.websites to ask for recommendations.

Scholarships and Other Scholarships and Other ProgramsPrograms

QuestbridgeQuestbridge is for the top minority and under- is for the top minority and under-represented students. represented students. http://www.questbridge.org/http://www.questbridge.org/ They They have a summer program for top juniors. And then a have a summer program for top juniors. And then a match-program for seniors. Even though few match, the match-program for seniors. Even though few match, the large majority of students who apply though Questbridge large majority of students who apply though Questbridge get into amazing colleges.get into amazing colleges.

PossePosse takes groups of amazing students and sends them takes groups of amazing students and sends them to colleges. They believe there is strength in numbers. to colleges. They believe there is strength in numbers. They cover only tuition so students need to make sure the They cover only tuition so students need to make sure the rest of their expenses are covered. Scholarships and rest of their expenses are covered. Scholarships and loans can do this. loans can do this. http://www.possefoundation.org/http://www.possefoundation.org/

The Jack Kent Cooke Foundation The Jack Kent Cooke Foundation has a new has a new scholarship for top under-represented scholarship for top under-represented students.http://www.jkcf.org/scholarships/college-students.http://www.jkcf.org/scholarships/college-scholarship-scholarship- program/program/

More Scholarships…More Scholarships…

Colleges themselves have diversity and presidential Colleges themselves have diversity and presidential scholarships. Students can research on college scholarships. Students can research on college websites to find these scholarships. USC has the websites to find these scholarships. USC has the Martin Topping Scholarship. Villanova has a diversity Martin Topping Scholarship. Villanova has a diversity scholarship and a president scholarship. Find these scholarship and a president scholarship. Find these scholarships and apply.scholarships and apply.

The Ivy League and many other colleges are need-The Ivy League and many other colleges are need-blind. blind. http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/11/1114_tuitiohttp://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/11/1114_tuitionfree/index_01.htmnfree/index_01.htm This means they accept you and This means they accept you and then offer you the money to come. I have a student at then offer you the money to come. I have a student at the University of Pennsylvania who is not paying one the University of Pennsylvania who is not paying one dollar to attend. Now, she had to borrow money to dollar to attend. Now, she had to borrow money to buy a computer and to travel back to the west coast buy a computer and to travel back to the west coast an extra time but she got a job and a small loan.an extra time but she got a job and a small loan.

Check out resources at an Check out resources at an out of state campus.out of state campus.

Make sure the campus has a Make sure the campus has a support program for first support program for first generation students. generation students.

Make sure the campus offers free Make sure the campus offers free tutoring and support.tutoring and support.

Does the school have a summer Does the school have a summer bridge program or some kind of bridge program or some kind of orientation program for students?orientation program for students?

Make sure there are freshman Make sure there are freshman advisors in and out of the dorms.advisors in and out of the dorms.

What can we say to parents: What can we say to parents: Will my child be lonely?Will my child be lonely?

All students get homesick freshman year. But they All students get homesick freshman year. But they get over it quickly, especially if their family supports get over it quickly, especially if their family supports them.them.

It would be great if you could find a way to drop your It would be great if you could find a way to drop your child off freshman year and visit during parentschild off freshman year and visit during parents’’ weekend.weekend.

Your child will come home easily for Christmas and Your child will come home easily for Christmas and spring break. Thanksgiving is sometimes hard and spring break. Thanksgiving is sometimes hard and they go home with friends and relativesthey go home with friends and relatives

You can speak with them on the phone, Skype, and You can speak with them on the phone, Skype, and Facebook.Facebook.

You can send food and messages.You can send food and messages. But please donBut please don’’t ask them to leave or come home.t ask them to leave or come home. You need to encourage your child to go for free You need to encourage your child to go for free

tutoring, join support groups, and make friends.tutoring, join support groups, and make friends.

Will I miss my child?Will I miss my child?

Of course, you will. ItOf course, you will. It’’s expected. My mother s expected. My mother missed me. All three of us went out of state. missed me. All three of us went out of state.

You have worked so hard and supported your You have worked so hard and supported your child to let him or her have the best college child to let him or her have the best college education possible.education possible.

College changes your child into an amazing College changes your child into an amazing adult. They are still the same inside. They may adult. They are still the same inside. They may become middle class and have big dreams, but become middle class and have big dreams, but a college education will help your child and your a college education will help your child and your family.family.

You moved here to make a future for your You moved here to make a future for your family. Let your child move for his or her future.family. Let your child move for his or her future.

More…Will I Miss My Child?More…Will I Miss My Child?

Kids who leave for college, come back educated and Kids who leave for college, come back educated and ready to make a difference.ready to make a difference.

Please donPlease don’’t let your fears and worries prevent your t let your fears and worries prevent your child from having a great education.child from having a great education.

I know a dad who refused to take his daughter to I know a dad who refused to take his daughter to college and she was so sad. He forgave her a month college and she was so sad. He forgave her a month later and went to visit her. That made all the later and went to visit her. That made all the difference.difference.

I met another dad, who had just dropped his twins off I met another dad, who had just dropped his twins off at Boston University. He said he relatives didnat Boston University. He said he relatives didn’’t t understand why he could let his kids go. He said each understand why he could let his kids go. He said each kid had received a full scholarship $55,000 per year. kid had received a full scholarship $55,000 per year. He wasnHe wasn’’t going to hold them back. He wanted the t going to hold them back. He wanted the best for them.best for them.

How do we apply and get How do we apply and get money?money?

Your need to fill out college applications. There Your need to fill out college applications. There are multiple fee waivers to apply for free.are multiple fee waivers to apply for free.

Your need to take standardized tests for many Your need to take standardized tests for many colleges. They need to send test scores out. colleges. They need to send test scores out. Others are test free. Others are test free. http://fairtest.org/university/optionalhttp://fairtest.org/university/optional

Your need to boast about yourself in all of your Your need to boast about yourself in all of your applications.applications.

You can visit campuses for free via fly-in You can visit campuses for free via fly-in programs.programs.

How Do We Apply How Do We Apply and Get Moneyand Get Money

You need to fill out financial aid forms. You need to fill out financial aid forms. They will ask for personal money They will ask for personal money information. Please, please share this info. information. Please, please share this info. You can get a free education this way. You can get a free education this way. You need to fill out FAFSA and the CSS You need to fill out FAFSA and the CSS Profile for private colleges out of state.Profile for private colleges out of state.

You need to fill out scholarship You need to fill out scholarship applications. applications.

You need to visit colleges when he gets You need to visit colleges when he gets accepted. Most will fly him to visit for free. accepted. Most will fly him to visit for free.

Other Core Readiness Other Core Readiness Timelines-College ResearchTimelines-College Research

College research takes timeCollege research takes time Read key books and websitesRead key books and websites Talk to friends who are seniors Talk to friends who are seniors

and recent gradsand recent grads Talk to friends and familyTalk to friends and family

Final WordsFinal Words

You are a work in progressYou are a work in progress Colleges want to know who you really areColleges want to know who you really are Yet they donYet they don’’t read minds so dont read minds so don’’t keep t keep

anything core about youanything core about you But donBut don’’t overwhelm them or scare them t overwhelm them or scare them

awayaway They want to know how you will enhance They want to know how you will enhance

and enrich their campusand enrich their campus There is so much you can doThere is so much you can do It is never too late...to develop a strong It is never too late...to develop a strong

college readiness plancollege readiness plan

If you want to go away…If you want to go away…

Go to the Colleges That Change Go to the Colleges That Change Lives College Fair at Universal Lives College Fair at Universal July 31-August 1.July 31-August 1.

Apply to visit a college this fall.Apply to visit a college this fall. Apply to 4 to 10 private collegesApply to 4 to 10 private colleges

Make a PlanMake a Plan

Write down three new ideas you Write down three new ideas you learned from this presentation.learned from this presentation.

Write down three additional Write down three additional questions.questions.