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The 11th floor conference room in the South Tower at ICICI Banks headquarters has witnessed
many stormy meetings. Like the one in progress that warm April day in 2008.
KV Kamaths A-team Chanda Kochhar, V Vaidyanathan, Madhabi Puri-Buch, K Ramkumar
and Sonjoy Chatterjee had assembled there, a day before presenting the banks budget to the
board. Kamath had told them they ought to focus on reining in costs.
But a consensus seemed to elude the group. That was because Kochhar, widely tipped to take
over from Kamath, was unconvinced. Everybody else in the room reckoned Rs 7,900 crore in
operating expenses was a fair number.
The debate went on, until abruptly, Kochhar stood up and said: With this kind of numbers, we
wont have a bank to run next year.That said, she called the meeting to a close.
A couple of hours of brainstorming later without Kochhar, they reassembled in the same room.
We dont have an answer, executive director and group HR head at the bank K Ramkumar
recalls the team telling Kochhar. What is the number we ought to be working on? Without
blinking, she said Rs 6,500 crore.
For a few moments, there was a stunned silence in the room. Essentially, she was telling them to
maintain operating expenses at the previous years level. Forpeople working in an entity that
always grew at 35 40 per cent each year, this sounded like hara-kiri. The next day, Kamath
nodded in approval and smiled at the numbers. What in the devils name, they wondered, was
going on? What, indeed!
A new paradigm
For as long as most people who have followed ICICI can remember, the bank has remained
married to one mission: Aggressive growth. That is why when news started trickling out that a
divorce is inevitable, we had to ask Chanda Kochhar who has since taken over from Kamath
as the CEO and managing director, if this is indeed the case. Quite honestly, it was impossible to
miss the firmness in an otherwise temperate voice. Growth, she said, can mean various things.It isnt just about growing the balance sheet.
To seasoned ICICI watchers, this is the kind of language that qualifies for blasphemy the kind
of thing an outsider with no clue of the banks institutional history would say. But then, we all
know Chanda Kocchar is, The Insider. Shes seen it all: How her predecessor KV Kamath
transformed ICICI from a crumbling development financial institution (DFI) to Indias most visible
universal bank; how he grew its balance sheet five fold in less than a decade; and how he
commands fanatic loyalty from the troops. But everything Kochhar is executing right now may
seem to be at loggerheads with what her mentor believed in.
Over the next one year, she intends to grow the balance sheet by just five per cent an
unthinkably low number during the Kamath years. But now, she is battening down the hatches ontwo of Kamaths biggest bets plant the ICICI flag outside India and aggressively woo rural
India. For some time to come, Kochhar promises there will be no saber rattling on either of these
fronts.
And remember the credit card and personal loan businesses? Kamath goaded the bank into war
with global giants Citi and Standard Chartered and eventually toppled them a few years ago. One
of the first things Kochhar did after taking over was to tell her colleagues to back off from these
verticals and cut losses.
Then there was this period when Kamath told a whole generation of Indians why visiting a bank
doesnt make sense. Use ATMs instead, he urged. And to sell a credit-starved country all that a
modern bank could offer, he recruited an army of direct selling agents (DSA).
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It was his way of getting around infrastructural deficiencies that could otherwise hamper ICICIs
growth plans.
Since the time Kochhar has taken over though, the emphasis at ICICI is to get people into
branches.
Folks at the bank used to working at its giant headquarters in Bandra Kurla Complex in Mumbai
are being redeployed to run branches. And 70 percent of ICICIs DSA operations have been
wound up. By next year, the bank may no longer rely on any outsourcing for business acquisition
and collections.
Why, you wonder, is Kamaths protg talking in a tongue different to his? Equally puzzling, why
does Kamath approve of where she is taking the bank to? What changed?
An unfamiliar world
Last September, soon after Lehman Brothers collapsed, ICICI Bank faced an unprecedented
crisis. Speculation mounted that its exposure to Lehman held enough potential to wreck the
whole bank. Edgy traders hammered the stock down and nervous depositors queued up outside
its premises to take their money back. It hurt us enormously when nobody believed our
exposure was limited to $81 million, recalls Ramkumar.
To manage the crisis, a war room was set up and the mantle fell on Kochhar to lead the exercise.
It taught me a coupleof things, she says. One, if there is a challenge, your shoulder ought to
become broader and your back straighter. Confidence is important. Two, you have to be the
sponge that absorbs stress. Else, it passes down to the team and they cannot function
efficiently.
Be that as it may, much agonising and introspection later, the team concluded there were indeed
a few problems on their hands. Mainly, in their attempt to innovate and stay ahead of everybody
else, they had gotten too damn aggressive. Or at least that is how the world perceived them now.
It also sensitised the team to a type of risk they hadnt factored in before reputation risk. Untilthen, as bankers, they had only understood market risk, credit risk and operations risk. In some
part, this was the outcome of yet another controversial sequence of events in the banks history.
Just before this crisis played itself out, the team had battled another.
Starting 2007, the bank came under fire in the media for allegedly using strong arm tactics to
collect credit card dues. We perhaps misjudged the power of public perception around
collections. And that impaired our ability to collect money, says Ramkumar. It finally forced the
board, led by chairman N Vaghul and Kamath to dismantle the entire network of collection
agents.
As a challenger, being seen as aggressive is fine. But the moment you are a leader, being
aggressive is often seen as someone who infringes on other peoples rights. That is not aperception we want to live with, says Ramkumar. To that extent, the team concluded, unbridled
aggression a leitmotif of the Kamath era had to be buried.
While it is tempting therefore to assume all of what ICICI is going through now is a function of the
Kamath-years that would be missing the point entirely. The point is Kamath has this uncanny
knack of seeing things ahead of others. Before anybody else did, he figured that the world was
set to change dramatically.
And that if ICICI had to survive the long haul, it would have to slam the brakes on growth and
reassess the assumptions on which it was built. That it would hurt, was obvious to him. Which is
why, in a signal of solidarity with stakeholders, he declined to accept 300,000 stock options at Rs
400 each, for which he was eligible in December 2008. The team followed suit.
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When he had rolled his sleeves up about ten years ago, Indias 200 million strong middle class
needed credit to buy cars, homes and everything else. The 8-10 percent economic growth gave
them the appetite to go in for big ticket loans. Which is why, by 2007, 65 percent of ICICI Banks
retail assets were meant for this market. The downturn challenged these assumptions. And the
banks existing credit models, built on data from the past,was not tuned in to these changes.
Even as these changes were unfolding, inflation was moving up. In turn, it compelled the central
bank to tighten interest rates. Through all of 2007 and 2008, the RBI pushed up interest rates
repeatedly. For ICICI, that proved disastrous and exposed another chink in its armour an over
reliance on higher cost bulk deposits. Traditionally, most commercial banks monitor a ratio called
CASA. This indicates the percentage of current and savings accounts to total deposits. A higher
CASA ratio means the bank has access to cheaper funds. This allows it to earn higher margins
when it lends.
The problem can be traced back to 2002 when shortly after the reverse merger between ICICI
and ICICI Bank, Kamath realised he had only two options: One, without a branch network to
challenge the might of public sector banks, he could stay content with a niche strategy, much like
foreign banks. Two, he could go for scale by overlooking the CASA ratio in the short term and
focus instead on picking up wholesale deposits at a slightly higher rate. He chose the latter. It
made perfect business sense as well in a low interest rate regime. So, while industry
benchmarks were at 33 per cent (one third of all deposits coming via CASA), ICICI Bank would
touch 30 per cent at the best of times. And when the crisis hit home in October last year and
depositors made a run for their money, CASA levels dropped to an alarming 26 per cent.
And if all of this wasnt enough, the unsecured loans business (largely credit cards and personal
loans) started to bleed. Blame it partly on a bad macro-economic environment. And partly on the
fact that ICICIs collection arms, for reasons described earlier, came under intense public
scrutiny.At Rs. 9,900 crore, of which almost 80 per cent came from the retail business, the badloans gave ICICI a dubious sobriquet: It had the highest NPA levels for any Indian bank.
These numbers drove home another lesson: Unsecured credit is perhaps not the best way to
build customer relationships. Consider HDFC Bank, its fiercest competitor with which it shares an
interesting relationship. When ICICI faced a run on its deposits, Aditya Puri, the MD at HDFC
Bank, sent out an email to his people asking them not to poach or accept deposits from ICICIs
clients until the crisis was over. But that is digressing. The credit card base HDFC Bank caters to
largely comprises customers from its branch banking business. This means, it has access to their
credit history, and therefore they have a decent handle on a customers credit worthiness.
CICI, on the other hand, acquired customers using a network of outsourced agents whose
revenues were linked to the numbers of clients they got in and not their credit worthiness. Notsurprisingly, they threw caution to the wind and up saddled ICICI with customers the bank would
much rather not have. It was a vicious circle. The cost of acquisitions and collections for low
transaction items and small ticket loans was also becoming unsustainable, says Sandeep
Bakshi, deputy MD and retail head at ICICI Bank. Not only did the cost of maintaining the direct
channel jump as volumes grew, but the pressure on collections added to the costs as well.
Simple back-of-the-envelope calculations showed that each time a customer rolled over his credit
card dues, the bank earned a 20 per cent interest. So even with credit losses of around 8
percent, the bank still stood to gain a hefty spread. But very soon, this neat little equation was
turned on its head. Losses began to mount. And a larger number of people began to default on
their dues. It was unsustainable, says Chief Financial Officer N.S. Kannan. All of this wasntapparent initially.
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Through this period, insiders say there was hell to pay. In a sharply competitive culture, the
blame game had begun. And fingers were being pointed at the retail business.
Enter Chanda
Beginning end-January, soon after the board took a call on Chanda Kochhar as Kamaths
successor, she initiated a detailed review of the various businesses the bank is into. And over the
next four months, she started putting a plan into place to build a new template for ICICI that
looked at variables beyond the balance sheet. I knew I had to help people understand the other
dimensions of growth and the logic behind it, she says.
Kamath knew his successor was in for a tough haul and would need the time to settle down and
gain the confidence of the team. Which is perhaps why, two months before he stepped down, he
made sure he came in a half hour late to work and left an hour earlier in the evening. And
immediately after he stepped down as CEO, he took six weeks off from the bank to spend time
with his daughter and grand children in Seattle. It was his way of providing space to the new
leader.
In any case, he had primed Kochhar for the job well in advance. That nod put Kochhars plan to
hold operational expenses at previous years levels firmly in the saddle and stoked a chain of
events over the next couple of months.
Vaidyanathan was given charge of pruning costs on the retail side of the business. Every Friday
evening, about 20 senior managers would brainstorm in his room on how it could be done. The
ground rules were clear. Nothing was sacrosanct. He told them, they could question anything. If
they thought his travel schedule, or that of anybody else, imprudent, it would well be within their
rights to raise the flag and call for a review.
Stopping Blame Game
In July last year, Vaidyanathan and Ramkumar addressed senior managers in the retail
business. For the first time, we stood up and admitted publicly we failed in areas like unsecuredcredit and rural banking, says Ramkumar. We got punished for setting business goals ahead of
capabilities. But as leaders in ICICI Bank, it is okay to stand up and say we are human, that we
dont lack character. It was done without any embarrassment.
Both exercises paid off and blunted the edges off a blame game that could have spiralled out of
control. If any traces remained, the crisis stoked by Lehmans collapse in September buried all
differences. It was the best thing that could have happened, says Ramkumar. The team came
together under Kochhar. The first thing it did was to start pulling out of lending. But more
recently, after she moved to the corner office in May, a fresh team and a new strategy is making
its presence felt.
Take Sonjoy Chatterjee who heads the corporate and international banking business. Until veryrecently, corporate banking relied on fees from large merger and acquisition deals. Inherently
though, this is a lumpy business. When the deal pipeline evaporates, fees follow. To get around
the hump, he added a new dimension: Transaction banking. In other words, for all the major
clients ICICI services, it now manages their non-fund based businesses as well such as forex
requirements and opening letters of credit. In the past, it rarely pitched for such businesses. But
now, it does aggressively. Because what it does is provide a layer of predictability to the income
stream from corporates. Using our clout with large corporate clients, we will actively push for
such business now, says Chatterjee.
In part, this was possible because ICICI has just got the licences to open another 580 branches,
over the 1,453 it already has. Of these, Kochhar has earmarked 20 for special status as mega
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branches. These will serve corporate customers as well. In some ways, this is how Axis Bank,
State Bank of India and HDFC Bank function.
In the past, ICICI preferred to centralise operations while branches were manned by younger
staffers. The outcome was poor turnaround time. The branch staff had little control over the
outcome.
In the new dispensation, a premium is being placed on the branches. Veterans from
headquarters are being deployed to head them. A considerable amount of authority is being
vested on them to solve customer issues at the branch itself. At the same time, the bank is
targeting the government sector, and even stock market participants to open current accounts to
improve the CASA ratio.
The new branch licences are also a reason to wind down the direct marketing channel, a move
that brings with it considerable pain. The channel was built over the years with assiduous wooing
of partners. But now that the relationship has to be terminated, there is angst in the system.
We had to give the better agents sufficient notice, so that they could find alternative
employment, says Ramkumar. Where there was friction, we had to tell them firmly we had no
obligations.
The branches are now the pivot for any retail lending. They are the face of the brand in a
geography. So we need to ensure we get our best people to man them, says Sandeep Bakshi.
As things stand, these branches will take anywhere between 18-36 months to stabilise.
Her biggest challenge is to meet market expectations. So far, to keep its high growth strategy
intact, the bank has had to raise funds from the markets several times. Yet at 7.8 percent, the
return on equity (ROE) has been poor. As a result, its market value took a beating.
In his interactions with analysts, Kannan, the group CFO, has promised an ROE of 15 percent
over the next three years. That will be tough. Kochhar knows that as well and admits she doesnt
know how the numbers will eventually add up. But the roadmap, she says, is clear.Part one of the plan involves pushing through the ambitious branch expansion plan without
adding to operating costs. Which means, in the current fiscal, Kochhar will be focussed on
looking at each item of the profit and loss account and balance sheet; and perhaps restructuring
it. She believes she has the time on her hand to do it right now because credit growth is
moderate. When growth kicks in, which Kochhar reckons will be next year, the bank will be in a
better position to capitalize on it. And finally, in the third phase, focus on unlocking value from
subsidiaries.
There is no alternative, Kochhar says. In a way, these are huge structural changes. But we
have to implement it. I think the actual results of this will not show for a couple of quarters. But I
know from internal reviews we are in the right direction.Kannan says he has built a dashboard for his senior colleagues, which captures the key metrics.
Every fortnight, the performance is reviewed. Any course correction in strategy and tactics are
then implemented quickly. A lot of building blocks are now in place. I am very confident that
people will start seeing the facts a couple of months from now, says Kochhar.
By all accounts, it will be a delicate balancing act. ICICI is hard-wired to be aggressive. Keeping
that instinct at bay will take a lot out of her. Already, public sector banks like SBI are getting
aggressive in the home loan market. In the normal course, ICICI would have been right out there,
slugging it out for the spoils and enjoying a bloody good fight. But these arent normal times at
the bank. For at least three quarters, Kochhar needs to prove to the rest of the world that the
bank can put its house in order, before it can go out there and do what it does best: Fight.