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Page 1 of 5 Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles (REC-AAA) M E M O R A N D U M DATE: August 30, 2016 TO: Principal and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles (REC-AAA) FROM: Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison Office: (617) 984-7262 Email: [email protected] SUBJECT: AGENDA – NFPA 1192 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2017) Enclosed is the agenda for the Second Draft meeting for NFPA 1192, Standard on the Installation of Recreational Vehicles, which will be held via conference call/adobe connect. Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any second revisions at the meeting. All NFPA Technical Committee meetings are open to the public. Please contact me for information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (Section 3.3.3.3) for further information. Additional Meeting Information: See the Meeting Notice on the Document Information Page (www.nfpa.org/1192next) for meeting details. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Elena Carroll, Project Administrator at 617-984-7952 or by email [email protected]. C. Standards Administration

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Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles (REC-AAA)

M E M O R A N D U M

DATE: August 30, 2016

TO: Principal and Alternate Members of the Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles (REC-AAA)

FROM: Chad Duffy, NFPA Staff Liaison Office: (617) 984-7262 Email: [email protected]

SUBJECT: AGENDA – NFPA 1192 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2017)

Enclosed is the agenda for the Second Draft meeting for NFPA 1192, Standard on the Installation of Recreational Vehicles, which will be held via conference call/adobe connect. Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting, and notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any second revisions at the meeting. All NFPA Technical Committee meetings are open to the public. Please contact me for information on attending a meeting as a guest. Read NFPA's Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (Section 3.3.3.3) for further information. Additional Meeting Information: See the Meeting Notice on the Document Information Page (www.nfpa.org/1192next) for meeting details. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Elena Carroll, Project Administrator at 617-984-7952 or by email [email protected]. C. Standards Administration

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Technical Committee on Recreational Vehicles (REC-AAA) NFPA 1192 Second Draft Meeting (Annual 2017)

Conference Call/Adobe Connect September 13, 2016

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AGENDA

Tuesday, September 13, 2016

1. Call to Order – 11:00 AM

2. Introductions and Attendance

3. Review Agenda

4. NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in Current Cycle

5. Chairman Comments

6. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes

7. Act on Public Comments for NFPA 1192

8. New business

9. Adjourn – 3:00 PM

Please submit requests for additional agenda items to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting. Please notify the chair and staff liaison as soon as possible if you plan to introduce any committee input at the meeting.

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Key Dates for the Annual 2017 Revision Cycle

Proposal Closing Date July 6, 2015

Final Date for First Draft Meeting December 14, 2015

Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot February 1, 2016

Ballots Returned By February 22, 2016

Post Final First Draft March 7, 2016

Comment Closing Date May 16, 2016

Final Date for Second Draft Meeting October 31, 2016

Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot December 12, 2016

Ballots Returned By January 2, 2017

Posting Final Second Draft January 16, 2017

Closing Date for Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM)

February 20, 2017

Issuance of Consent Document (No NITMAMs) May 12, 2017

NFPA Annual Meeting June 4-7, 2017

Issuance of Document with NITMAM August 10, 2017

Technical Committee deadlines are in bold.

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Meeting Preparation Committee members are strongly encouraged to review the published comments prior to the meeting and to be prepared to act on each item. Handout materials should be submitted to the chair at least seven days prior to the meeting. Only one posting of the comments will be made; it will be arranged in section/order and will be pre-numbered. This will be posted to the NFPA Document information pages located at www.nfpa.org/1192. If you have trouble accessing the website please contact Elena Carroll at [email protected].

Mandatory Materials:

Last edition of the standard

Meeting agenda

Public input/comments

Committee Officers' Guide (Chairs)

Roberts’ Rules of Order (Chairs; An abbreviated version may be found in the Committee Officer’s Guide)

Optional Materials: NFPA Annual Directory

NFPA Manual of Style

Prepared committee input/comments (If applicable)

Regulations and Guiding Documents All committee members are expected to behave in accordance with the Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process. All actions during and following the committee meetings will be governed in accordance with the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards. Failure to comply with these regulations could result in challenges to the standards-making process. A successful challenge on procedural grounds could prevent or delay publication of the document. The style of the document must comply with the Manual of Style for NFPA Technical Committee Documents.

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General Procedures for Meetings

Use of tape recorders or other means capable of producing verbatim transcriptions of any NFPA Committee Meeting is not permitted.

Attendance at all NFPA Committee Meetings is open. All guests must sign in and identify their affiliation.

Participation in NFPA Committee Meetings is generally limited to committee members and NFPA staff. Participation by guests is limited to individuals, who have received prior approval from the chair to address the committee on a particular item, or who wish to speak regarding public input or comments that they submitted.

The chairman reserves the right to limit the amount of time available for any presentation.

No interviews will be allowed in the meeting room at any time, including breaks.

All attendees are reminded that formal votes of committee members will be secured by letter ballot. Voting at this meeting is used to establish a sense of agreement, but only the results of the formal letter ballot will determine the official action of the committee.

Note to Special Experts: Particular attention is called to Section 3.3(e) of the NFPA Guide for the Conduct of Participants in the NFPA Codes and Standards Development Process in the NFPA Directory. This section requires committee members to declare any interest they may represent, other than their official designation as shown on the committee roster. This typically occurs when a special expert is retained by and represents another interest category on a particular subject. If such a situation exists on a specific issue or issues, the committee member shall declare those interests to the committee and refrain from voting on any action relating to those issues.

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Attachment #1:

Previous Meeting Minutes

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NFPA Technical Committee on RVs

Meeting Minutes – First draft

September 22 &23, 2015

Hilton Orlando, Lake Buena Vistas, FL

1. Chairman Doug Mulvaney called the meeting to order at 8:00 am.

2. Chairman Mulvaney asked each attendee to introduce themselves by providing name,

company being represented, and whether each was a principal, alternate, or guest.

Attendees were asked to fill out the attendance roster that was circulated by NFPA staff

and update any of the information that was listed.

Introductions and Attendance

a. Mulvaney, Doug - Chairman - Kampgrounds of America

b. Hopkins, Bruce - Secretary - Recreation Vehicle Industry Association

c. Akins, Leo – Forest River, Inc.

d. Bloom, Christopher - CJB Fire Consultants

e. Christner, Jeffrey – Grand Design RV

f. Colwell, Jeff - Exponent, Inc.

g. Haas, Doug – Fleetwood RV, Inc.

h. Hyer, Ryan – Testing Engineers International

i. Jordal, Dale - Winnebago Industries, Inc.

j. Luttich, Mark - Nebraska Public Service Commission

k. Mihalick, David - Thor Industries Inc.

l. Parrott, Kerry – Stahl Engineering & Failure Analysis

m. Sedlacek, Craig – WA State Dept of Labor & Industries

n. Staves, Homer - Staves Consulting Inc.

o. Swiecicki, Bruce – National Propane Gas Association

p. Woodward, Leslie – Fairview Fittings & Manufacturing

q. Elliott, Wade – Alternate – Utility Services Group, Inc.

r. Kleinknight, Joe - Alternate - Keystone RV Company

s. Perkins, Kent - Alternate - Recreation Vehicle Industry Association

t. Staves, Neil - Alternate - Staves Consulting

u. Duffy, Chad - Staff Liaison - National Fire Protection Association

v. Kimball, Amanda – NFPA Staff, FPRF

w. Mullins, Lisa - Guest

x. Simpson, Dean - Guest

y. Sims, Jeff - Guest

3. Each attendee was asked if they had an agenda. The agenda was reviewed in general;

discussing the meeting would last 3 days, if necessary. Public Input would be reviewed

first for 1192 and then followed by those for 1194.

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4. NFPA Staff Liaison Presentation and Review of Key Dates in Current Cycle.

a. Staff person Chad Duffy reviewed the rules and actions of NFPA

i. Items covered included, but were not limited to:

1. Location of exits in the event of fire or other emergency

2. No smoking policy

3. No use of recorders

4. Guests are welcome, but allowed to speak only if recognized by

the chair

5. Actions of the Committee

a. Must make motions and seconds to have discussion

b. If debates get long, there can be a motion to call for the

question

c. All motions and remarks need to be made through the chair

d. Chair is to ensure the procedures of Robert’s Rules are

followed

6. The Committee make-up, according to interests, was reviewed

7. The code making process was reviewed

8. Legal review was made

a. Including anti-trust

b. Patents

c. Use of task groups

9. Committee Principals should always encourage their alternates to

be involved and to return all letter ballots

5. Chairman Comments. Chairman Mulvaney stated this was his first meeting as chairman.

He had attended the New Committee Chairman training offered by NFPA. He would try

to follow the rules and help the committee to finish their work in a timely and efficient

manner. He is pleased to have the position and looking forward to helping the committee

complete its responsibilities.

6. Approval of the Previous Minutes

a. The minutes were approved upon a motion and second, as submitted, without

change.

7. FPRF Presentation

A brief power point presentation was presented by a NFPA representative to educate

committee participants on the potential services available from the Fire Protection

Research Foundation (FPRF). This is an independent nonprofit agency whose mission is

to plan, manage and communicate research in support of the association. The Research

Foundation was established in 1982 in response to a growing need for research that better

informed NFPA’s expanding body of codes and standards. To ensure the research

remained independent, the Foundation was formed as a separate 501(c) (3) organization.

Since then, the Foundation has facilitated major research programs (both domestic and

international in scope) that address industry challenges in multiple areas, including

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detection and signaling, hazardous materials, electrical safety, fire suppression, storage of

commodities, and firefighter protective clothing and equipment, among other issues.

Each project is guided by a technical panel that provides its expertise, which includes

input from sponsors, the research community, the fire service, NFPA technical

committees and other stakeholders. Findings from the Foundation’s critically applied

research have been used by NFPA’s technical committee members and others to support

the association’s fire and life safety codes and standards.

8. Act on Public Input for NFPA 1192/1194

a. Each item was reviewed and acted upon. Results of each item will be in the

NFPA documentation of the meeting that is sent to the committee for letter ballot.

9. Adjournment

a. The meeting adjourned at 1:00 pm on September 23, 2015

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Attachment #2: Public Comments

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Public Comment No. 1-NFPA 1192-2016 [ New Section after 5.4 ]

Flame Failure Devices

Fuel-burning ranges and cooktops shall have a flame failure device which prevents the uncontrolled flow offuel in the absence of a flame.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

We continue to hear reports of accidents resulting from a range knob turned ON or bumped inadvertently. In some instances the flame was blown off by a gust of wind. The requirement for a flame failure device has been in place for the boating industry since 1993, the technology is available, and feasible and ought to be incorporated in fuel burning cooktops for RVs.

Related Item

Public Input No. 30-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 6.4.8]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Zuhair Ibrahim

Organization: Exponent, Inc.

Affilliation: Consultant

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Mon Mar 07 16:29:39 EST 2016

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Public Comment No. 11-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 6.1.3 ]

6.1.3 Use of Cellular Foam or Foamed Plastic Materials.

6.1.3.1

Cellular foam or foamed plastic materials shall not be used for insulation or interior finish (see 3.3.35 ,Interior Finish) in recreational vehicles, except for the incidental uses as permitted inReject the First Revision changes and delete the entire existing section 6.1.3

.2.

6.1.3.2

The cellular or foamed plastic materials shall be permitted to be used for incidental use in molding, trim,

splash panels, and on doors but only if the material has a maximum thickness of 1 ⁄ 2 in. (12.7 mm), amaximum width of 8 in. (204 mm), and does not constitute more than 10 percent of the specific area towhich it is attached.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

This paragraph should be deleted since paragraph 6.1.1 already addresses all materials used for interior finish, including cellular foam materials. If cellular foam or foamed plastic materials are proven to have a flame spread index that does not exceed 200 when tested in accordance with ASTM E84 or ANSL/UL 723 they should be permitted to be installed. This code requirement in 6.1.3 was put in the standard many years ago to address the use of spray on cellular foam materials like those that caused a catastrophic fire at the MGM Grand Hotel in 1980. Today cellular foam can be safely used in many materials that can meet the 6.1.1 flammability requirements, such as fake fireplace brick. Since these materials can meet current 6.1.1 flame spread requirements they should be treated the same as any other interior finish material. Fire codes for the RV application have always been based on the philosophy that the occupant should exit the RV as quickly as possible and only then try to save the RV.

Related Item

First Revision No. 30-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 6.1.3]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Roger Garrett

Organization: Patrick Industries

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Fri Apr 08 10:12:21 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 20-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 6.1.3 ]

6.1.3 Use of Cellular Foam or Foamed Plastic Materials.

6.1.3.1

Cellular foam or foamed plastic materials shall not be used for insulation or interior finish (see 3.3.35 ,Interior Finish) in recreational vehicles, except for the incidental uses as permitted in 6.1.3.2 .

6.1.3.2

The cellular or foamed plastic materials shall be permitted to be used for incidental use in molding, trim,

splash panels, and on doors but only if the material has a maximum thickness of 1 ⁄ 2 in. (12.7 mm), amaximum width of 8 in. (204 mm), and does not constitute more than 10 percent of the specific area towhich it is attached.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

This paragraph should be deleted since paragraph 6.1.1 already addresses all materials used for interior finish, including cellular foam materials. If cellular foam or foamed plastic materials are proven to have a flame spread index that does not exceed 200 when tested in accordance with ASTM E84 or ANSL/UL 723 they should be permitted to be installed. This code requirement in 6.1.3 was put in the standard many years ago to address the use of spray on cellular foam materials like those that caused a catastrophic fire at the MGM Grand hotel in 1980. Today cellular foam can be safely used in many materials that can meet the 6.1.1 flammability requirements, such as fake fireplace brick. Since these materials can meet current 6.1.1 flame spread requirements they should be treated the same as any other interior finish material. Fire codes for the RV application have always been based on the philosophy that the occupant should exit the RV as quickly as possible and only then try to save the RV

Related Item

First Revision No. 30-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 6.1.3]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kent Perkins

Organization: Recreation Vehicle Industry As

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Thu May 12 14:12:08 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 18-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 6.4.5.3 ]

6.4.5.3

Generator exhaust pipe shall be secured and supported every 4 ft (1.2 m) within the run.or according to theinstallation instructions .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

There exist installation instructions for RV generators that require tailpipe hangers on pipe over 1 ½ ft. are to be at intervals of 3 ft. or less. Therefore the additional language would allow for following the installation instructions that might call out specific criteria.

Related Item

First Revision No. 34-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 6.4.5.2.4]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Joe Kleinknight

Organization: Keystone RV Company

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Mon Apr 11 08:03:32 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 19-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 6.4.6.5 ]

6.4.6.5

In recreation vehicles having a permanent wall of separation between the cargo area and the living area, anadditional listed portable fire extinguisher with a minimum rating of 10-B:C, as defined in NFPA 10shall beprovided in the special transportation area within 24 in. (610 mm) of the exterior door that serves thespecial transportation area. In recreational vehicles without a permanent wall of separation between thecargo area and the living area, at least one listed portable fire extinguisher with a minimum rating of 10-B:Cshall be provided within 24 in. (610mm) of the exterior door that serves the special transportation and willsatisfy the requirement in section 6.4.1.2 and 6.4.1.3.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

The first draft revision would allow recreational vehicles without a permanent wall of separation between the cargo area and living area to be provided with only a 5-B:C rated fire extinguisher. The first draft revision would also not require a fire extinguisher in an RV with a non-separated cargo area unless it had a 120/240V electrical system or fuel burning equipment per section 6.4.1.3. In either situation the protection is not adequate for the ordinary hazard classification of this area per NFPA 10 table 6.3.1.1. The proposed revision would still allow only the single fire extinguisher in RV's with non-separated cargo areas.

Related Item

First Revision No. 37-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 6.4.7.5]

First Revision No. 32-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 6.4.1]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Craig Sedlacek

Organization: Washington State Department of Labor and Industries

Affilliation: Industry regulator for Washington State.

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Wed May 11 14:51:51 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 21-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 6.4.6.5 ]

6.4.6.5.1

In recreation vehicles having a permanent wall of separation between the cargo area and the living area, anadditional listed portable fire extinguisher with a minimum rating of 10-B:C, as defined in NFPA 10shall beprovided in the special transportation area within 24 in. (610 mm) of the exterior door that serves thespecial transportation area.

6.4.6.5.2 In towable recreation vehicles without a permanent wall of separation between the cargo areaand the living area, the fire extinguisher required by 6.4.1.3 shall have a minimum rating of 10-B:C, asdefined in NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

This addresses the negative comment that correctly pointed out that a 10 B:C fire extinguisher should still be required for a towable special transportation unit without a wall of separation. This new paragraph would provide that language.

Related Item

First Revision No. 37-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 6.4.7.5]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kent Perkins

Organization: Recreation Vehicle Industry As

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Thu May 12 14:16:04 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 22-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 6.6.2 ]

6.6.

2 Smoke Alarms3 Handrails .

In addition to the smoke alarm required by Section6. 6. 3

, each loft area shall have at least one smoke alarm installed that shall comply with 6.3.1.3 through6.3.1.5 ..1 Handrails. Handrails having minimum and maximum heights of 30 in. and 38 in. (762 mm and 965 mm),respectively, measured vertically from the nosing of the treads shall be provided on at least one side ofstairways that extends at least 5 ft. above the main RV floor.

6.6.3.1.1 Spiral stairways shall have the required handrail located on the outside radius. All requiredhandrails shall be continuous the full length of the stairs.

6.6.3.1.2 Ends shall be returned or shall terminate in newel posts or safety terminals. Handrails adjacent toa wall shall have a space not less than 1½ in. (38 mm) between the wall and the handrail.

6.6.3.2 Handrail Grip Size. Handrails shall have either a circular cross-section with a diameter of 1¼ in. (32mm) to 2 in. (51 mm) or a non-circular cross-section with a perimeter of at least 4 in. (102 mm) but not morethan 6¼ in. (159 mm) and a largest cross-section dimension not exceeding 2¼ in. (57 mm).

6.6.3.2.1 Edges shall have a minimum radius of ? in. (3 mm).

6.6.4 Guardrails.

6.6.4.1 Guardrails. Guardrails on open sides of stairways and lofts shall have intermediate rails orornamental closures, which do not allow passage of an object 4 in. (102 mm) or more in diameter.

6.6.4.1.1 Lofts shall have guardrails not less than 36 in. (914mm) in height or one-half (½) the maximumclear height to the ceiling, whichever is less.

6.6.4.1.2 Open sides of stairs to lofts shall have guardrails not less than 34 in. (864 mm) in height measuredvertically from the nosing of the treads.

3.3.XX Loft . An additional raised interior habitable area that is directly below the ceiling of an RV and isaccessible by a stairway and at least 5 ft. (1.524 m) above the RV main floor.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Adding this definition clarifies what would constitute a loft area in an RV. Smoke alarm requirements are already covered by existing section 6.3.1, and that section does not require separated sleeping areas to have an additional smoke alarm. Adding handrail and guardrail requirements enhances safety.

Related Item

First Revision No. 58-NFPA 1192-2015 [New Section after 6.5.2]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kent Perkins

Organization: Recreation Vehicle Industry As

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Thu May 12 14:23:56 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 2-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 7.3.7.3 ]

7.3.7.3

Potable water tanks shall be secured in place so they do not become dislodged shall stay retained in placewhen a load equal to two times the holding tank's filled weight is applied to the filled holding tank in anydirection except upward.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

It was the committee's intent that the water tank does not fall off the vehicle. As the first draft was written it would state the water tank can not move when subjected to a force 2x the filled weight of the tank.

Related Item

First Revision No. 48-NFPA 1192-2015 [New Section after 7.3.7.2]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Dale Jordal

Organization: Winnebago Industries, Inc.

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Mon Mar 28 12:57:22 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 6-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 7.3.7.4 ]

7.3.7.4

The tank manufacturer shall provide within their installation instructions on how a potable water statementrequiring tank is securement to be secured in accordance with 7.3.7.3 .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Tank manufacturers typically do not include materials such as frame members or removable cross members nor the strapping materials needed to accomplish the securement requirements to meet the 7.3.7.3 or 7.5.1.1/7.5.1.2. Tank manufacturers should not be required to champion the method due to the wide variations of RV structures and frame configurations and sizes. They can however require that the install meets the standard and supply needed information about the tank such as size and capacity.

Related Item

First Revision No. 48-NFPA 1192-2015 [New Section after 7.3.7.2]

First Revision No. 47-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 7.5.1]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Lindy Roberts

Organization: Recreational Vehicle Industry

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Fri Apr 01 10:04:11 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 23-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 7.3.7.5 ]

7.3.7.5*

Tanks that allow filling from the pressure water piping system shall have a vent with an inside diameter,including fittings, larger than or equal to the pressure fill pipe's inside diameter, including fittings.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

The tank vent only needs to be equal in size to the pressure fill pipe, not larger. The addition of the word “pressure” provides needed clarification.

Related Item

First Revision No. 44-NFPA 1192-2015 [New Section after 7.3.7.3]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Kent Perkins

Organization: Recreation Vehicle Industry As

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Thu May 12 14:30:27 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 3-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 7.3.7.5 ]

7.3.7.5 *

Tanks that allow filling from the pressure water piping system shall have a vent with an inside diameter,including fittings, equal to or larger than the fill pipe's inside diameter, including fittings.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

The intent was that the vent could not be smaller than the fill tube. The first draft should have been written with the words " Equal or " prior to the wording " larger than the fill pipe's inside diameter, including fittings.

Related Item

First Revision No. 44-NFPA 1192-2015 [New Section after 7.3.7.3]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Dale Jordal

Organization: Winnebago Industries, Inc.

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Mon Mar 28 13:20:50 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 4-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 7.5.1.2 ]

7.5.1.2

Waste holding tanks shall be secured in place so they do not become dislodged shall stay retained whena load equal to two times the holding tank's filled weight is applied to the filled holding tank in any directionexcept upward.

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

It was the committee's intent that the hold tank does not fall off the vehicle. At the first draft is witten it would state the holding tank can not move when subjected to a force of 2x the filled weight of the tank.

Related Item

First Revision No. 47-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 7.5.1]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Dale Jordal

Organization: Winnebago Industries, Inc.

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Mon Mar 28 13:31:02 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 8-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 7.5.1.3 ]

7.5.1.3

The tank manufacturer shall provide instructions on how a waste holding tank is to be withintheir instructions a statement requiring the waste tank be secured in accordance with 7.5.1.2 .

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

Tank manufacturers typically do not include materials such as frame members or removable cross members nor the strapping materials needed to accomplish the securement requirements to meet the 7.5.1.1/7.5.1.2. Tank manufacturers should not be required to champion the method due to the wide variations in RV construction and frame sizes and configurations. However they can supply needed information such as tank size and capacity.

Related Item

First Revision No. 48-NFPA 1192-2015 [New Section after 7.3.7.2]

First Revision No. 47-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 7.5.1]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Lindy Roberts

Organization: Recreational Vehicle Industry

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Fri Apr 01 11:11:39 EDT 2016

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Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 1192-2016 [ Section No. 7.5.2.2 ]

7.5.2.2

Neither the inlet nor vent fitting shall extend downward into the tank more than 3 ⁄ 4 than 1/2 in. ( 1913 mm).

Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment

The first draft proposal as written would conflict with IAPMO TS2-2015 which states 13mm is the max depth for a vent into a tank.

Related Item

First Revision No. 49-NFPA 1192-2015 [Section No. 7.5.2.2]

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Dale Jordal

Organization: Winnebago Industries, Inc.

Street Address:

City:

State:

Zip:

Submittal Date: Mon Mar 28 13:42:28 EDT 2016

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Attachment #3: Committee Roster

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Address List No PhoneRecreational Vehicles REC-AAA

Chad Duffy08/30/2016

REC-AAA

Doug Mulvaney

ChairKampgrounds of America, Inc.Facilities Development DirectorPO Box 30558Billings, MT 59114Alternate: Chris Fairlee

U 10/28/2008REC-AAA

Bruce A. Hopkins

SecretaryRecreation Vehicle Industry Association1896 Preston White DrivePO Box 2999Reston, VA 20195-0999Alternate: Kent Perkins

M 1/1/1981

REC-AAA

Leo Akins

PrincipalForest River, Inc.2324 Century DriveGoshen, IN 46528-5001Alternate: Lisa A. Mullen

M 03/03/2014REC-AAA

Thomas R. Arnold

PrincipalT. R. Arnold & Associates, Inc.PO Box 1081Elkhart, IN 46515

RT 7/16/2003

REC-AAA

Charles N. Ballard

PrincipalPacific West Associates, Inc.PO Box 40140Casper, WY 82604

SE 10/1/1999REC-AAA

Christopher J. Bloom

PrincipalCJB Fire Consultants2654 East Gregory RoadPO Box 2611White City, OR 97503-1672Alternate: Joseph M. Bloom

SE 7/1/1993

REC-AAA

Jeffrey A. Christner

PrincipalGrand Design RV, LLC11333 County Road 2Middlebury, IN 46540-9632

M 1/12/2000REC-AAA

Jeff D. Colwell

PrincipalColwell Consulting14614 North Kierland Blvd, N200Scottsdale, AZ 85254

SE 1/14/2005

REC-AAA

Richard L. Day

PrincipalMichigan State Fire Marshal's Office207 Jackson StreetAllegan, MI 49010-9156

E 07/29/2013REC-AAA

Shane Devenish

PrincipalCanadian RV Association1100 Burloak Drive, #300Burlington, ON L7L 6B2 Canada

M 12/08/2015

REC-AAA

Douglas Haas

PrincipalFleetwood RV, Inc.1031 US 224 EastDecatur, IN 46733

M 7/26/2007REC-AAA

Khaled E. Habib

PrincipalCSA International1707 94th Street, NWEdmonton, AB T6N 1E6 Canada

RT 8/5/2009

REC-AAA

John P. Harvey

Principal1620 Oak Avenue, NEOlympia, WA 98506-4464

SE 1/1/1992REC-AAA

Ryan Hyer

PrincipalTesting Engineers International3455 South 500 WestSalt Lake City, UT 84115-4234

RT 08/11/2014

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Address List No PhoneRecreational Vehicles REC-AAA

Chad Duffy08/30/2016

REC-AAA

James Alan Johnson

PrincipalRecreational Adventures CompanyPO Box 295Hill City, SD 57745National Association of RV Parks & CampgroundsAlternate: Wade Elliott

U 12/08/2015REC-AAA

Dale Jordal

PrincipalWinnebago Industries, Inc.605 West Crystal Lake RoadPO Box 152Forest City, IA 50436

M 4/17/2002

REC-AAA

Richard H. Klein

PrincipalRichard Klein Consulting Engineers13010 West Castelbar DriveSun City West, AZ 85375

SE 10/27/2009REC-AAA

Bob Livingston

PrincipalGood Sam Media & Events2575 Vista Del MarVentura, CA 93001

IM 7/16/2003

REC-AAA

Mark Luttich

PrincipalNebraska Public Service CommissionHousing & Recreational Vehicle Department300 The Atrium, 1200 N StreetPO Box 94927Lincoln, NE 68509-4927

E 1/1/1986REC-AAA

David M. Mihalick

PrincipalThor Industries Inc.419 West Pike StreetJackson Center, OH 45334-9728Alternate: Joe Kleinknight

M 11/2/2006

REC-AAA

Kerry Parrott

PrincipalStahl Engineering & Failure Analysis, LLC3201 Stellhorn Road, Suite C149Fort Wayne, IN 46815-4697Alternate: Douglas R. Stahl

SE 8/9/2011REC-AAA

Craig Sedlacek

PrincipalWashington State Department of Labor & IndustriesPO Box 44430Olympia, WA 98504-4430

E 10/29/2012

REC-AAA

Paul Sinclair

PrincipalBucars RV Centre262109 Range Road #10Balzac, AB T0M 0E0 CanadaRecreation Vehicle Dealers Association of Canada

M 10/29/2012REC-AAA

Homer A. Staves

PrincipalStaves Consulting Inc.3191 ParkhillBillings, MT 59102Alternate: Neil Staves

SE 1/1/1988

REC-AAA

Bruce J. Swiecicki

PrincipalNational Propane Gas Association21200 South LaGrange Road, Suite 353Frankfort, IL 60423National Propane Gas AssociationAlternate: Samuel E. McTier

IM 7/16/2003REC-AAA

Monte L. Taylor

PrincipalState of OregonBuilding Codes DivisionPO Box 14470Salem, OR 97309

E 7/23/2008

REC-AAA

Leslie Woodward

PrincipalFairview Fittings & Manufacturing Inc.3777 Commerce CourtWheatfield, NY 14120

IM 7/28/2006REC-AAA

Joseph M. Bloom

AlternateBloom Fire InvestigationPO Box 207Grants Pass, OR 97528Principal: Christopher J. Bloom

SE 1/1/1991

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Address List No PhoneRecreational Vehicles REC-AAA

Chad Duffy08/30/2016

REC-AAA

Wade Elliott

AlternateUtility Services Group, Inc.26519 Bond Road NEKingston, WA 98346National Association of RV Parks & CampgroundsPrincipal: James Alan JohnsonVoting Alt. to ARVC Rep.

U 8/5/2009REC-AAA

Chris Fairlee

AlternateKampgrounds of America, Inc.PO Box 30558Billings, MT 59114Principal: Doug Mulvaney

U 10/23/2013

REC-AAA

Joe Kleinknight

AlternateKeystone RV Company2642 Hackberry DriveGoshen, IN 46526Principal: David M. Mihalick

M 8/5/2009REC-AAA

Samuel E. McTier

AlternatePropane Technologies, LLC975 Kirkhill LaneLake Forest, IL 60045National Propane Gas AssociationPrincipal: Bruce J. Swiecicki

IM 1/17/1997

REC-AAA

Lisa A. Mullen

AlternateForest River, Inc.2324 Century DriveGoshen, IN 46528Principal: Leo Akins

M 04/05/2016REC-AAA

Kent Perkins

AlternateRecreation Vehicle Industry Association1896 Preston White DriveReston, VA 20191-0999Principal: Bruce A. Hopkins

M 1/1/1988

REC-AAA

Douglas R. Stahl

AlternateStahl Engineering & Failure Analysis, LLC3201 Stellhorn Road, Suite C149Fort Wayne, IN 46815Principal: Kerry Parrott

SE 03/07/2013REC-AAA

Neil Staves

AlternateStaves Consulting5125 Highway 93 SouthWhitefish, MT 59937Principal: Homer A. Staves

SE 10/27/2009

REC-AAA

Chad Duffy

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

4/18/2011

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