TC 9.12 – Minutes – Jan 26, 2016

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TC/TG/MTG/TRG No.TC 9.12 DATE June-15-2016 TC/TG/MTG/TRG TITLE Tall Buildings DATE OF MEETING Jan 26 th , 2015 LOCATION: Maitland (L Level), Hilton, Orlando

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MinutesTC 9-12 TALL BUILDINGS

Tuesday, Jan 26, 2016Orlando

Maitland (L Level), Hilton3:30 PM to 6:00 PM

Call to order –by chair Luke Leung @ 3:35pm

Introductions

Approval of Minutes – Atlanta 2015Minutes approved unanimously

Chair’s Report: Welcome new members and visitors Voting members roll off: Webb, Leung, Ray Sinclair Voting members add: Duncan Philips, Stephen Ray, Lynn, Wessel Delete corresponding members: Alejandro, Darras, Kroeschell, Vinh, Warwicker

RAC Liaison’s Report: Looking at URP process New WS form on website New training materials to be posted on website From Tech Council, ask for extra money [from reserve fund] At end of project, do something with data from project ask for additional funds 2 RTARs – weather stations to understand weather at height, contaminants difference at

height; 3 cities; Wessel comment: maybe get co-sponsor from Section 4

- ASHRAE code of ethics: o “…… We shall avoid real or perceived conflicts of interest whenever possible,

and disclose them to affected parties when they do exist.”

- YEA members – encourage young ASHRAE professionals to join TCs

- CEC Report:o February 8, 2016 for Seminar, Forum and Workshopo 3 Strikes and Out – Submit presentation on time, otherwise will be reprimandedo Looking for reviewer, contact Tiffany Cox [speakers lounge], if interestedo Our Program Subcommittee Chair is encouraged to attend program chair

meeting

- Publication Report:o New Web application from ASHRAE to automates the calculations to show a

building project’s compliance with 90.1 using the Energy Cost Budget Method. Learn more at: 901ECB.ashrae.org

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o Special Publication: TC does not have to author it, just support others to write them

- Section 9 liaison SH9@ashrae.orgo Focus in residential [Leung – research in Switzerland shows better health on

upper levels; ground levels has most diseases]o Four New Multidisciplinary Task Groups (MTGs) have been formed since

Atlanta meeting MTG.ASEC – Avoided Source Energy Consumption Due to Waste Heat

Recovery and Heat Pump Technologies [Leung to nominate Dharkar] MTG.IAST – Impact of ASHRAE Standards and Technology on Energy

Savings/Performance Scope: MTG.IAST will generate research proposal(s) and work

with the selected consultants/contractors to conduct research, collect and organize the data in a useful and conveniently summarized format for Initiative 1B of the Society Strategic PlanThe chair of this MTG is Dan Pettway.

MTG.ISPAQE – Indoor Swimming Pool Air Quality and Evaporation [Leung to nominate Werman]

MTG.OBB - Occupant Behavior in Buildings [ Scope: MTG.OBB will coordinate TC/TG/TRG technical

activities to help implement the recommendations from this MTG. This includes coordinating efforts in education, modeling, research, standards, marketing, advocacy, and fund raising within ASHRAE. Research project initiation as the sponsoring committee is included in the scope of this MTG.The chair of this MTG is Tianzhen Hong.

Join as corresponding member?

If your TC would like to have a voting representative on a particular MTG, please contact the ASHRAE Manager of Research and Technical Services, Mike Vaughn, at MORTS@ashrae.net.

Membership – Cartero Potential new members at meeting

Research – Wermano [Ray comment: What are previous research? Design guide, previous design

guide, humidity control, test leakage of building]

Webmaster – Lindsey King http://tc0912.ashraetcs.org/ ASHRAE revamped all websites.Password protected[Davy comment: Revise name on website to Tall Buildings]

Program – John Carter

o OrlandoSymposium on EUI for Tall buildings, suggested speakers Mehdi Jalayerian, Stephen Ray and Robert Henderson

o St. LouisSeminar on “Do Tall, Super Tall and Mega Tall Buildings Consume More Energy Than Conventional Buildings or Do They Conserve More Energy?” Part II

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Chair: Simmonds; speakers – RWDI, Lorenz, Rayo Las Vegas

Conference paper follow-up from St. Louis and Orlando Exterior wall construction/combustibility Natural ventilation / thermal autonomy / passive survivability / safe haven

o Possible future programsSeminar on existing data on air quality at different vertical heights (all to provide input and provide feedback at Orlando)

Handbook – Simmonds(?), Ray(?)

Old Business

o Road Map for Tall Building Research? Bacteria biome and particulate changes with elevations Test or monitor the actual energy performance compared to energy

model results Testing of smoke flow would be interesting but unlikely to find a location

that would permit the testing – NRCC projector for next meeting w/ room request to present TRP-1447

o 62.2 proposed change for high-rise – tabled research topic on ventilationo Roster to section head then to staff – TC members should receive roster updateo Simmonds proposes change to title, purpose, and scope:

TC 9.12 is concerned with the design, function, operation, energy, occupant comfort and human safety for Tall (higher than 300ft), Supertall (higher than 1000ft), and Megatall (higher than 2,000ft) buildings in excess of 300 feet in height.. Also included is the determination of requirements related to hydraulics, airflow, infiltration, thermal insulation, water vapor retarders, environmental control, fire and smoke control and maintenance.

Motion by Simmonds, second by Webb, to revise the TPS as written aboveVote: 7-0-0 CNV

New Businesso RTARo Integration with urban environment

TC 7.6 Monitoring and Energy Performanceo URP [unsolicited research proposal] – Simmonds

Provided for information; committee needs to review and provide comments/input

Adjournment

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