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MEMORANDUM

TO: File (2002-055)FROM: T. Michael DillonSUBJECT; H. Brent Coles;

Gary Lyman;Fa ls e S ta tement s;Misuse of Public Funds;

DATE : 119/03The attached is a transcript of an interview conducted by T. Michael Dillon with Lindallili, on 12/30/02.

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regard to this tape recorder.

Interview Of: Linda Ihli ~Conducted By: T. Michael D I nDate of Interview: December 0,2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised By: T. Michael DillonPage 1of 12MD: Mike DillonLI: Linda IhliMD: '" is 3:05. The date is December so", 2002. I am in the office of the, the

conference room of the Boise Human Resources Department. And I'm withLinda Ihli, that's I-H-L-I. Uh, Linda, we've had a number of interviews and I wantto go on the record as saying Linda and I had an interview about an hour ago.Uh , however, I failed to hit the record button, so uh, at Linda's inconvenience,we're doing it over again. And. Linda, I apologize uh for my ineptitude with

u: [laughs] Okay.MD: But we were talking about uh the November 6th or 7th conversation you had with

Gary Lyman over the United States Conference of Mayors' invoice and their uhGary Lyman and Mayor Coles' trip to Rochester. New York, and to New York Cityun during the week of November to"; 11th, 121t1,131 t1 , 2002. And you recall ourconversation?

LI: Yes.MD: Okay. Uh, previously in our interviews, we talked about when Gary Lyman came

to you and expressed uh or asked you questions as to how he could pay for uhBroadway theater tickets uh that he wanted to purchase for the mayor, himself

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Interview Of: Linda lhliConducted By: T. Michael DillonDate of Interview: December 30,2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised By: T. Michael DillonPage 2 of 12and uh Susie Mimura, in connection with a bonus for Susie. Do you rememberthat?

LI: Yes.MD: And you had told me on a number of occasions that it may have occurred on

November 7th , 2002, uh but now you've concluded or confirmed that theconversation actually occurred on November 6th , 2002. And in that regard,you've given me a copy of a letter that you sent by facsimile to Wells Fargo Bank,requesting a PIN number be mailed overnight to Gary Lyman. Uh, the date ofthis letter is November 6th , 2002. Is that correct?

LI:MD:

Correct. Yes.So your conversation with Gary regarding uh how the theater tickets might bepaid for occurred on November 6th , 2002.

LI: Yes.MD: Do you happen to recall, and I don't need an exact time unless you have one, but

do you happen to recall if it was morning or afternoon on the, on November 6thwhen you had the conversation?

LI: I'm thinking it was afternoon.

MD: Afternoon? Okay. Now, during that conversation, Gary told you that inconnection with his and the mayor's trip to Rochester, that they were going to ...

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number?

Interview Of: linda lhliConducted By: T. Michael DillonDate of Interview: December 30, 2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised By: T. Michael DillonPage 3 of 12they wanted to fly down to New York City on the 13th or at least that week, to takeSusie to a Broadway play and to dinner as a bonus for her. Is that correct?

U: Yes.MD: Gary was asking you how he might pay for the theater tickets, and you

suggested that he could purchase the tickets on the city credit card and that allhe would have to do is prepare a memo, explaining the ... explaining the cost,the purchase of the theater tickets. Is that correct?

LI: That is what I suggested 'cause I didn't really have any idea. MD: Gary didn't ... Did he give you any response at all or, to that, or did he essentially

not respond to that particular suggestion?LI: Uh, it seems that then we went on to talk about getting un ... He suggested a

cash advance on the credit card.MD: And you told him that that was do-able but he would need a PIN number, his PIN

L1: Right. He had used uh his credit card before and gotten a, a cash receipt. orexcuse me, a cash advance, like when they went to urn Arkansas afterSeptember 11th they were caught in um ... the events of September 11th andcouldn't get back, and so they had to get the cash advance at that point.

MD: Okay. Uh, did he agree that that might be a way to go uh to get a cash advance, the cash he would be using to pay for the theater tickets?

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a, his PIN number, or a PIN number be mailed overnight to Gary Lyman.

Interview Of: Linda IhliConducted By: T. Michael DillonDate of Interview: December 3D , 2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised By: T. Michael DillonPage 4 of 12LI: Yes. He said he didn't have the PIN number anymore and asked me to uh do

what I could do to request a new PIN number for him.MD: So you sent a letter or faxed a letter to the Wells Fargo Bank uh requesting that

LI: Yes.MD: And did you get a response from the Wells Fargo Bank the next day?L 1 : Uh, we did not receive it. I don't think we received it until uh Tuesday, the 1 2 1 t 1 .

bonus, about the theater tickets?

MD: So, at the end of your conversation on the, on the 6th of November, Gary's understanding was that you were going to uh request an overnight delivery of a

PIN number.L1: Right. And 1 fully expected we'd have it Thursday, Friday at the latest, and we

did not.MD: So, it was your understanding then that Gary was going to purchase the theater

tickets by obtaining a cash advance?U: Yes.MD: Okay. Did you have a conversation with Gary on the 7th of November about this

U: I don't recall talking to him about it that day.MD: When was the next time uh ... When did you next talk to Gary about it?

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InterviewOf: Linda IhliConducted By: T. Michael DillonDate of Interview: December 30,2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised By: T. Michael DillonPage 5 of 12L1: Um, on Friday morning he came around the cornerot my office and handed me

a, an invoice from the U.S. Conference of Mayors and said he had it taken careof, and uh I looked at the invoice that was from the U.S. Conference of Mayors.It said New York City meeting, November 12th, and I believe it said $580 and Ijust asked him if he needed a '" early release on it. and he said yes.

MD: And early release means early payment?LI: Yes. But it would uh come out the next Wednesday and be mailed the next

Wednesday, rather than a couple of weeks. MD: Okay. Did Gary Lyman tell you that morning when he gave you the invoice and

told you he had taken care of it, did he tell you that the invoice was for the theatertickets?

LI: I don't recall him saying that. no.MD: Okay. You're pretty confident he didn't say that to you?LI: I just recal! him saying I ... got it taken care of. Or it's taken care of. Something

like that.MD: Did you ask him or say anything in reference to your efforts to get a PIN number?LI: I, I don't remember.MD: Okay. Was it a long conversation?LI: No. Very quick. Very short.MD: [inaudible] So he ... And he was leaving that day?

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Interview Of: Linda IhliConducted By: T. Michael DillonDate of Interview: December 30,2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised By: T. Michael DillonPage 6 of 12

LI: Yes.MD: That morning?LI: Yes.MD: So, he wasn't going to be around to review or sign off uh on any invoices that you

might have {inaudible] or put together that day?LI: Correct.MD: So that morning, uh you put together approximately 6 or 7 invoices and you

attached them to, what do we call it, a cover invoice letter?LI: Accounts payable group cover sheet.MD: Cover sheet? And that had a ... a line by line ... a, a description of each invoice,

which is attached?Ll: Yes.MD: So Gary wasn't there to review them. Gary never reviewed those invoices?LI: Not ... before I took them to the mayor to have them signed. Gary had gone.MD: Okay. So you' ... Would you ordinarily have taken them to Gary?LI: To Gary first, yes.MD: But since he was gone, you went to the mayor?LI: Iwent to the mayor. Mm hmm.MD: Walked into the mayor's office. You presented to him the, the uh stack of

invoices which were attached to the cover letter .

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LI: Correct,MD: What did you tell the mayor?LI: I asked him if he'd sign the accounts payable group and I did mention to him that

the U.S. Conference of Mayors' invoice was in there. And he asked mesomething along the lines of is, is that okay? Is that going to work? And I justkind of shrugged my shoulders and said I guess.

MD: Did you tell the mayor when you showed him the ... gave him the invoices, andwhen you told him that the invoice from the U.S. Conference of Mayors wasamong the invoices, did you tell him that the invoice for the theater tickets was inthe group of invoices, or otherwise did you mention theater tickets to the mayorwhen you gave him that stack of invoices?

LI: No, I don't recall saying that. I just said the U.S. Conference of Mayors' invoiceis in this group.

MD: Did the mayor ask you if Gary Lyman had reviewed the invoices?U: No.MD: Before you gave them to him?LI: No.MD: There are only 6 or 7 invoices, I believe.LI: Correct.

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entries on the cover letter?

Interview Of: Linda IhliConducted By: T. Michael DlIIonDate of Interview: December 30,2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised By: T. Michael DillonPage 8 of 12MD: Did the mayor take a moment to at least appear to study or review the line item

LI:MD:LI:MD:LI:MD: U:

Took a few seconds looking at it,mm hmm, before he signed it.Did you get a sense he was reviewing the ... the invoices or at least ...Yes. Looking at the description line.Right.Mm hmm.Okay. Had Gary Lyman ever come to you before and asked for your advice inconnection with how a, an expenditure should be covered by the city or paid for?No. It, it seemed unusual that he, he came and, and talked to me about this.

MD: What else did we talk about? Do you remember anything else that we mentionedin the prior conversation?

U: I think that pretty much does it.MD: That covered it. But you're pretty confident that you never mentioned theater

tickets to the mayor when you gave him the invoices. Correct?LI: Correct.MD: And uh you're pretty confident that Gary Lyman didn't specifically say to you

LI: when he handed you the, the invoice, that this was for the theater tickets?Correct. As I recall, he said um I got it taken care of. And when I looked at it andsaw it said New York City meeting, I just assumed that he did have some

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MD: If the mayor had asked you, did Gary Lyman review these invoices, before he

Interview Of: Linda IhliConducted By: T. Michael DillonDate of Interview: December 30,2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised B y: T. Michael DillonPage 9 of 12meeting there that ... I trusted my bosses to do the right thing and um figured hehad worked something out.

MD: So you were doing what you ... would routinely do?LI: Right. [inaudible]MD: Oh, go on. I'm sorry.LI: I entered it. I always pay U.S. Conference of Mayors out of travel and meetings

and then it never occurred to me to payout of anything else. received them ...LI: Mm hmm.MD: What would you have told him?LI: I would have said no. Other than the U.S. Conference of Mayors he had seen

'cause he handed it to me.MD: Right. But ...LI: But the other ones, he hadn't reviewed yet. I don't recall what the other ones

were on [inaudible].MD: Okay. And I had one more question. Let me think here. If Gary Lyman had in

fact told you that the tickets are, when he handed you the invoice and you weregoing to do something, process that invoice on Friday, Friday morning, if he had told you that it was for in fact theater tickets and Susie's bonus, what would you

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have done, in terms of the way you entered it and what would you havesubsequently done?

LI: Well, I, I couldn't have paid for it out of any other line, say bonus, because I can't,it's my understanding I can't pay expenditures out of the bonus line. That's up inthe personnel division. Iwould have had to have paid i t out of an expense lineuh such as the trave! and meetings line and then at a later date done a journalentry to take that expense out of bonus.And that would have been the, the correct way to handle it, had he told you that itD: was for theater tickets ...LI: Yes.

MD: ... and a bonus.Yes.I:

MD: Okay. And that's what you would have normally done?Yes. I might have needed to be reminded that I was to do that at some point, but:uh that would be the best way to handle it.

MD: Has this ever happened before? Has anybody, has Gary ever come into you andsaid I want you to, or this is for a bonus, but the, the bill was in fact for something

different?LI: No. Never actually said that something was for a bonus .

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Interview Of: Linda IhliConducted By: T. Michael DillonDate of Interview: December 30,2002Case No.: 2002-055Transcribed By: Marilyn FreemanRevised By: T. Michael DillonPage 11of 12MD: How about the $2500 lap top he received as a gift, parting gift or bonus from the

mayor back in April. How did that one work?LI: He ... I, I think he ... He told me that was a bonus for the fire negotiations. But it

really didn't occur to me to do anything, to do a journal entry taking it out ofbonus. I never did do that.

MD: Okay. But that's not your job, is it? Is it necessarily your job to make sure if, if ...because it was taken out initially, it was taken out of the equipment account, as Irecall.

LI: Computer equipment, Ithink .MD: Computer equipment. And you did, I think there was a notation in your writing

that said bonus. And you wrote it on the bonus.

LI: Mm hmm. Yeah.MD: Now, if '" If Gary had told you when he handed you the Conference of Mayors'

invoice for $580, that this reminded you, this is for a bonus, and for the theatertickets ...

LI: Mm hmm.MD: Would it be unreasonable to assume that you probably would have wrote

something or noted on the line item bonus, wrote something on it, just as you didwith the ...

LI: Yeah. I, I tend to do that when ...

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you want to add?

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MD: [inaudible]LI: '" they tell me it's for something.MD: Right. So if he didn't tell you, you obviously wouldn't know to do that.LI: Yeah.MD: Okay. I think ... I hope this works. I'm sure it will. Do you have anything else

LI: No.MD: Okay. The time is 3:26. Correction, 3:21, and our interview is over.

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