St Petersburg - ICTP 20081 Third International Conference on Teaching of Psychology (ICTP-2008)....

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Third International Conference on Teaching of Psychology (ICTP-2008).

St.-Petersburg Psychological Society, St-Petersburg State University, July 12-16, 2008.

Training for psychologists in French universities:

an introduction and a look at the current debates in this area

Benoît Schneider President of the AEPU

Association des Enseignants-chercheurs en Psychologie des Universités,

Catherine Wieder Secretaire of the AEPU


Introduction:

Training in psychologyand

university training for psychologists,

in France


1. Introduction: training in psychology and university training for psychologists, in

France

Main characteristics of the model used in training future psychologists


1.Introduction: training in psychology and university training for psychologists, in

France

Main characteristics of the model used in training future psychologists

Assets and weaknesses


1.Introduction: training in psychology and university training for psychologists,in

France

Main characteristics of the university model used in training future psychologists

Assets and weaknesses Evolution factors


1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for

psychology and future psychologists


1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for psychology and future

psychologists

Specifications of the training for psychologists within and via university education

One of the most attractive subjects in higher education

Studying psychology or becoming a psychologist?

At Master level: a late selection


1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for psychology and

future psychologists

(1) Specifications of the training for

psychologists within and via university education

The 25 july 1985 law: a protected title

Degree + Master + stage

No selective entry for admission


1. Characteristics of the university model used in training for psychology and future

psychologists

(2) One of the most attractive subjects in higher education

More than 65.000 students- 1997 : 57.500- 2001: 62.500- 2006: 67.200- 2007: 64.400

25% of the European students of psychology




(3) Studying psychology or becoming a

psychologist?

At bachelor’s degree (licence) level:

- a « weakened » specialization - diversified expectations poorly taken into account




(4) At Master level: a late selection

Restricted intake at M2 entrance only


2. Assets and weaknesses


Assets and weaknesses

(+)

A high level requirement: a research training using research

A flexible and reactive vocational training system


Assets and weaknesses (+)(1) A high level requirement: a practical training

coupled with a research training based on research Diplôme national de Master, Arrêté du 25-04-02,

art.6. « La formation comprend (…) une initiation à la recherche et

notamment la rédaction d’un mémoire (…). »« The training includes (…) an initiation to research

and a dissertation (…). » Arrêté du 19-05-2006 relatif aux modalités

d’organisation du stage professionnel [en vue de l’obtention] du titre de psychologue, art.2.

« Le stage professionnel est d’une durée minimale de 500 heures (…) »

« A more than 500 hours long vocational training course (…) »


Assets and weaknesses (+)

(2) A flexible and reactive vocational training system : From DESS to Masters Pro, from DEA to Masters Recherche

DESS/Master Pro

1994 2007 2007if

optionalsubjects

Health / clinical 26 51 71Social and work psychology

25 36 45

Educational and developmental

13 26 31

64 113 147DEA/Master Research 33 49 61


Assets and weaknesses(-)

A flexible training system… but with a lack of visibility for the employers

An excess quantity of degrees and/or graduates? A selection applied too late A lack of trainers A too strict status of the occupation of

Professor-Researcher Wrong relations between training and teaching A subject facing strong theoretical and

ideological divergences An overall university context little suitable for

evolution


Assets and weaknesses (-)

(1)A flexible training system… but with a lack of visibility for the employers

Complicated titles Unclear degree listings Badly identified training courses and

competences



(2) An excess quantity of degrees and/or graduates?

Nb of registere

d students

in

total all

levelsin M1 in M2

Nb of places in

M2

1996 57486 10750 3278 2810

2006 67197 12048 4609 5381



(3) A too late applied selection

Two times more students in M1 than in M2 Systematized strategies in holding back

or repeating years Years of studies without any valuable

degree A major problem in degrees educational

consistency Integration difficulties A deskilling of the profession



(4) A lack of trainers

2004 facts One trainer for 67 students

Subjects Nb= %

Clinical/Psychopathology

281 29

Child and Developmental

158 16

Cognitive 130 13,5

Social 196 20

Vocational 39 4

Psychophysiology and Ethology

22 2

Statistics 13 1,5

Miscellaneous 129 13,5

Total 968 100



(5) A too strict and too lenient status of the occupation of Professor-Researcher

Dispensatory status of the Professor-researcher

Not well known practice No contractual agreement



(6) Wrong relations between research and teaching

Vocational degrees based on research? A loose link between research and

professionalization



(7) Psychology: a subject facing strong theoretical and ideological divergences

Organisations and decision making processes



(8) An overall university context little suitable for evolution

Exemple : the selection process


3. A few potential factors for change



A progressive clarification of the training plan

External pressures compel to define the required competences

The enrolment of professionals in the training course has started

The control of the integration into the world of work and the employment must be supported

The beginning of work among professional organizations



(1)A progressive clarification of the training system

Bachelor’s degrees and vocational degrees Restricted admission at M1 entrance The « Master unique » (merging of master

pro and research)



(2) External pressures compel to define the required competences

The national committee for authentification of foreign degrees in psychology (« Commission nationale chargée d’évaluer le niveau des diplômes étrangers en psychologie »)

2007: 194 applications (92 in UE ; 102 out UE) 138 accepted

Authentification of Skills and Experiences (VAE : « Validation des acquis de l’expérience »)

Europsy



(3) The enrolment of professionals in the training course has started:

The May 19th 2006 decree This enrolment is to become

institutionalized and vocational



(4) The control of the integration into the world of work and the employment must be supported

The observers of student paths and their integration into the world of work

Number of psychologists in France?



(5) The beginning of work among professional organizations


4. Conclusions

NbrÉtud

inscrits

NbrStuddipl

Dipl/étud

Nbrpraticie

ns

Durée de vieprat

Salaire

Débuteuros

Nbr psy/hab

B 5.000 900 1/5,5 20.000 22 ans

1.800 1/525

S 8.000 8.000 1/9 12.000 15 ans

2.800 1/625

F 65.000 3600 1/18 30.000 7,5 ans

1.400 1/1333


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