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CaseNo.SCSL200416TTHEPROSECUTOROFTHESPECIALCOURTV.ALEXTAMBABRIMABRIMABAZZYKAMARASANTIGIEBORBORKANU

FRIDAY,27OCTOBER

2006

9.15A.M.STATUSCONFERENCE

TRIALCHAMBERII

BeforetheJudges: RichardLussick,PresidingTeresaDohertyJuliaSebutinde

ForChambers: MrSimonMeisenberg

FortheRegistry: MsAdveraKamuzora

FortheProsecution: MrKarimAghaMrCharlesHardawayMrVincentWagonaMsMajaDimitrova(CaseManager)MrSeanMorrison(intern)MsLeighLawrie

FortheaccusedAlexTamba MrKojoGrahamBrima:

FortheaccusedBrimaBazzy MrAndrewWilliamKodwoDanielsKamara:

FortheaccusedSantigieBorbor MrAjibolaEManlySpainKanu: MrSilasCherkera


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BRIMAETAL Page227OCTOBER2006 OPEN SESSION

1 [AFRC27OCT06A MD]

2

Friday,27October

2006

3 [Opensession]

4 [Theaccusedpresent]

5 [StatusConference]

6 [Uponcommencingat9.15a.m.]

7 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes,well,goodmorning. Thisisa

8 statusconferenceforthepurposesindicatedinourscheduling

9 orderof26October. Well,withreferencetotheagenda

10 mentionedtherein,weshouldfirststartwiththeDefence,who

11 areundernoobligationatalltofileafinaltrialbriefor

12 presentaclosingargument. So,let'sstartwiththeDefence

13 counselandfindoutwhethertheyintendtodoso.

14 MRGRAHAM: Goodmorning,YourHonours.

15 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Goodmorning,MrGraham.

16 MRGRAHAM: YourHonours,thatisthecase,Ibelieve,at

17 leastonbehalfofthefirstaccusedinthismatter,andI

18 believealsoinrespectofthesecondandthirdaccusedthatwe

19 willbefilingclosingbriefsinresponsetothatofthe

20 Prosecution,butYourHonour,furtheron,inrespectoftheother

21 relatedissues,wehadameetingyesterdaywithour

22 JUDGESEBUTINDE: Sorry,MrGraham,yousaidyouwillbe

23 filingabrief?

24 MRGRAHAM: Yes,thatisso,YourHonour. YourHonour,I

25 wassayingthatwehadameetingyesterdaywithourfriendson

26 theothersideandIagreedonanumberofissuesrelatingtothe

27 agendaassetoutintheschedulingorderbytheCourt,and

28 pursuanttothat,Iwouldseeitthefloor,withthepermission

29 oftheCourt,withmylearnedfriendsontheotherside,because


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1 Ibelieveweliterallyalmostagreedon it'sacommonposition

2

inrespect

ofall

the

issues

that

Ihave

just

set

out

here.

So

3 iftheCourtmaypermit,Iwillletmylearnedfriendonthe

4 othersideaddresstheCourtinrespectoftheissuesarising. I

5 amverygratefulforthetime.

6 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Thankyou,MrGraham. Yes,well,wewill

7 hearfromtheProsecution,then.

8 MRAGHA: Yes,thankyou,YourHonour. Andindeedwehada

9 veryusefulmeetingwiththeDefenceyesterday,wherebywetried

10 toputforwardacommonpositiontowardsthisCourtthismorning

11 sothattheCourt,ifitismindedtoagree,maypassordersby

12 consent. Now,thefirstissueweaddressedwasnumberone,of

13 course,whichisthelengthoffinaltrialbriefandallparties

14 wanttofileafinaltrialbrief. Andintermsofthelengthof

15 thefinaltrialbrief,wesoughtguidancefromtheCDFcase,and

16 inthatcasetherewerefewerDefencewitnesses,bymorethan

17 half. Ithinknorebuttalandcertainlylessemphasisonthe

18 complexitiesoftheJCE,andinthatcasetheProsecutionhad

19 beenallowedamaximumof400pagesincludingheaders,footnotes

20 etcetera,andeachoftheDefencecounsel200pages. Sothe

21 partiescametotheagreementthatfortheProsecution400pages,

22 amaximumthereof,wouldalsobesufficient,andforeachDefence

23 counsel,amaximumof200pages,andthiswaswhatweproposed

24 jointlytoputforward.

25 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Now,doItakethattomean,MrAgha,

26 thattheProsecutionwillbesubmittingajointfinaltrialbrief

27 inrelationtoallthreeaccused? Isthatright? Ratherthan

28 separatetrialbriefs?

29 MRAGHA: Well,thatwouldbethepreferablepositionaswe


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1 didin98,wherebywehadthecommonlawbut,toadegree,dealt

2

withthe

three

accused,

but

itwould

beone

brief,

that

isour

3 proposal,uptoamaximumof400pages.

4 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Well,thatmakesitclear,

5 then. TheProsecutionwillfollowguidelinesassetbytheCDF

6 tofileamaximum400pagefinaltrialbriefandtheaccused,

7 accordingtoyourunderstanding,MrAgha,willfilefinaltrial

8 briefsuptoamaximumof200pages,assetoutinthepractice

9 direction?

10 MRAGHA: Yes,Iunderstandit'samaximumof200each,but

11 itmaybe,andtheProsecutionwouldhavenoobjectionif,for

12 example,thelegalpartwas,say,combinedandthattookmaybe

13 300ofthepagesbutthenthebalancewassplitaccordingly,

14 becauseitmaybethatoneofthebriefswillcontainallofthe

15 legalarguments.

16 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Well,thatsoundsreasonable,butthatis

17 somethingweshouldreallyleavetotheDefence. Aslongasthey

18 knowthattheirlimitationsare200pageseach.

19 MRAGHA: Yes,YourHonour. Howtheychoosetosplititis

20 forthem.

21 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes,well,thatisveryhelpful. Thank

22 you,MrAgha.

23 MRAGHA: Andthesecondissuewasthedateforfilingof

24 thefinaltrialbriefs. Now,welookedattheCDFcasewhich,as

25 Ihaveindicated,hadfewerwitnesses,norebuttalandless

26 emphasisontheJCEfactor. Andinthatcase,theCDFChamber

27 initiallyallowedthreeweeksfromtheclosingoftheevidence.

28 Andatthatstageitwasunclearwhetherthatwouldbeclosingof

29 theentireevidence,shouldrebuttalbeallowed.


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1 Inanyevent,thepartiesjointlyaskedthattheybe

2

allowedsix

weeks

tosubmit

their

final

briefs,

and

the

Court

3 allowedthemfiveweeksintheevent. Andnorebuttalwas

4 allowedinthatcasesoitwasfiveweeksafterthecloseofthe

5 Defencecase.

6 Now,thiscase,dependingontheCourt'sdecision,mayhave

7 toputasmall eachpartyindeedwillhavetoputsomeperiod

8 oftimeasideshouldtheCourtbemindedtograntrebuttalfor

9 preparationofcrossexaminationorleadingthosewitnessesand

10 thepartieswill,underthosecircumstances,andthefactthat

11 perhapsourcasewasslightlylongerthantheCDFcase,thatwe

12 wouldtakethecommongroundofrequestingsixweeksfromtoday

13 wherebyfinaltrialbriefswillbesubmittedsimultaneouslyno

14 laterthanFriday,8thofDecember.

15 PRESIDINGJUDGE: That'snotwithstandingwhetherthereis

16 rebuttalevidenceornot?

17 MRAGHA: Yes,YourHonour. Webuiltinthefactorthat

18 theremayormaynotbebutevenifthereisn'twefeelthatsix

19 weeksisareasonabletime,bearinginmindthegreateramountof

20 evidencewehavetoaddress,especiallyasintheDefencecase

21 therewasmanyinsiderswhowerelaterbroughton.

22 JUDGESEBUTINDE: Sorry,whatwasthatdateagain?

23 MRAGHA: ItwassixweeksIbelievefromtoday,whichis

24 Friday,the8thofDecember.

25 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes,MrAgha.

26 MRAGHA: Andwithaviewtoatleastwindingupthe

27 evidenceinthecasebeforetherecess,thecommonpositionof

28 thepartiesisthatwewouldallliketosubmitoralarguments

29 andthesewouldperhapsbereservedforWednesday,the13th,and


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1 ifneedbegoingonslightlyintothe14th,sothatthematter

2

canactually

becompleted

bythe

recess.

3 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Well,thatbringsustothepoint. As

4 youknow,theTrialChambercanlimitthelengthofthoseclosing

5 arguments. DidyoudiscusswiththeDefencetheanticipated

6 lengthofyourclosingargumentsandtheDefenceclosing

7 arguments?

8 MRAGHA: Yes. Ithinkbothsidesagreedthatitwasn't

9 theplacetoreciteforhoursonendtheevidenceetcetera,and

10 thatisbetterplacedinthefinaltrialbrief. Soagainwetook

11 guidancefromtheCDFcase,andweweresuggestingamaximumof

12 threehoursfortheProsecution,andamaximumoftwohourseach

13 fortheDefence,subjectofcoursetotheTrialChamber'sability

14 tolimitthattimeperiod,orthosetimeperiods,ifitfelt

15 mindedtodoso.

16 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Sowewouldbelookingatamaximumof

17 ninehours. Thatwouldtake,fully,twohearingdays.

18 MRAGHA: Well,inthatcase,YourHonour,thenperhapswe

19 couldreduceitto,letussay,Prosecution,maybetwohours,and

20 eachDefencecounsel,anhourandahalf,dependingonwhatmy

21 learnedfriendswouldthink.

22 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Well,wewilldecidethat

23 issuewhenwemakeourfinalorderonthematter.

24 MRAGHA: Andthenfinally,lookingatpointnumberfive,

25 whichisotherissuesrelatingtothiscase,oneofthemisof

26 courserebuttalwhichYourHonourhasmentioned,andclearlythis

27 applicationisstillpending,anditmayoritmaynotbegranted

28 buttowhateverextentitmaybegranted,theProsecutionand

29 Defencethoughtthatitwouldbeareasonableperiodoftimefor


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1 theProsecutiontobringwhateverwitnessesitmaybeallowed

2

betweenten

and

14

days

ofthat

decision,

which

would

allow

the

3 Prosecutionsufficienttimetobringanyrebuttalwitnesseswho

4 maybeoutofthecountry,andalsogivetheDefenceareasonable

5 opportunitytoprepareforcrossexaminationofanyrebuttal

6 witnesses,bearinginmindthatthescopeoftheirevidencewill

7 belimited. So,thatisadecisionwhichisobviouslystillwith

8 YourHonours.

9 TheonlyotherissuewhichI'dliketoraiseistheissue

10 whichlearnedcounsel,MrKnoops,raisedyesterdayandthatisin

11 respectofwitnessTF1511. Now,thisisquiteaproblematic

12 positioninthesensethatthereisanorderof24thNovember

13 2003wherebythiswitnesswasgivenglobalprotectivemeasures

14 andat"K"ofthatdecision,essentiallythestartingpointis

15 fortheDefencetoapproachtheCourtforamodification,ifyou

16 like,ofthoseprotectivemeasuresandthen,iftheCourtwasso

17 minded,fortheProsecutiontoassistinfindingthatwitness

18 well,notfindingbutputtingtheDefenceincontactwiththat

19 witness. Now,thepositionoftheProsecutionis,anditmaybe

20 thattheCourtcouldvarytheseorderstoday,shouldtheDefence

21 applytodoso,iswehavenodifficultyindisclosingthename

22 ofthatwitnesstotheDefence. However,we'venotbeenin

23 contactwiththatwitnessuntil2003. Aswe'veinformedthe

24 Defencewedon'thavehiscontactdetails. SoiftheDefence

25 weremindedtomakeanapplicationtoday,tovarythatprotective

26 measuresorder,andallowit,theProsecutionwouldsuggestthat

27 wecancertainlyprovidethenametotheDefence,and,inthose

28 circumstances,theywouldbeatfulllibertytomakecontactwith

29 thatperson,interviewhim,and,ifneedbe,iftheyfelthewas


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1 required,makeanapplicationtocallhimasawitnessintheir

2

case.

3 Andunderthosecircumstances,theProsecutionfeelsthat

4 wouldbethemostexpeditiouswayofdealingwiththematter

5 becauseevenifthefirstlimboftheCourtvaryingthe

6 protectivemeasurewasgranted,theProsecutionwouldnotbeina

7 particularpositiontoactuallyfindorlocatethiswitness.

8 Thosearethesubmissions,YourHonour.

9 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes,thankyou,MrAgha. Now,I

10 understandthatmostofwhatMrAghasaidisbyconsent,asfar

11 astheDefenceisconcerned,butgoahead,MrManlySpain. You

12 wereabouttosaysomething?

13 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes,YourHonours. It'sonlyaboutthe

14 witnessTF1511. Weappreciatethesuggestionsmadebylearned

15 counselwithregardtothiswitnessbutwewereoftheopinion

16 thattogothroughthatwoulddelaythetrialandtheproceedings

17 andthataneasywayoutisbyanapplicationunderRule92bis

18 forthestatementofthewitnesstobetenderedinevidence,and

19 thatcanbedealtwithtodayandthematterisoverwith.

20 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Well,haveyoudiscussedthatwiththe

21 Prosecution?

22 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes,YourHonour. Wesuggestedthatto

23 theProsecutionbyemailandthereplyisthattheywouldbe

24 objectingtothatapplication. Thoughwedonotwishtoprolong

25 thismatterandIbelievethatIcanmaketheapplicationatthis

26 momentanditisdealtwith,sothatwhenweleaveheretodaywe

27 willknowwhatwearecomingfor. Wedon'twanttohavethis

28 matterhanging.

29 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Well,it'sRule92bis(C)saysthata


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1 partywishingtosubmitinformationasevidenceshallgiveten

2

days'notice

tothe

opposing

party.

Isuppose

you

would

be

3 sayingthatthatnoticeisredundantinthesecircumstancessince

4 itwastheopposingpartywhogaveyouthestatementinthefirst

5 place?

6 MRMANLYSPAIN: Ithinkmylearnedfriendshouldbe

7 magnanimousandallowthisapplicationtobemade,sincethey

8 gaveusthisinformationtwodaysago. Ithinkso.

9 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Whatisyourattitudethen,MrAgha?

10 MRAGHA: YourHonour,theattitudeoftheProsecutionis

11 whenitcomestothesekindoftimeframesheretheProsecution

12 certainlycanbemagnanimousbutthemainobjectiontothe

13 Prosecution,orfortheProsecution,forallowingthis

14 applicationof92bisisthattheevidenceisfromawitnesswho

15 isofquitesomestanding. Itwasjustatranscripttakenfrom

16 himin2003anditiscertainlyawitnesswhichtheProsecution

17 wouldrely,wellwouldrequireandwouldneedandrequest

18 crossexaminationof. Soevenifthestatementweretendered

19 under92bistheproblemofthecrossexaminationofthatwitness

20 wouldstillariseandasa92biswouldbetenderedbythe

21 Defence,theProsecutionwouldsubmitthatitwouldbeforthe

22 Defencetomakethatwitnessavailabletousfor

23 crossexamination. Soit'sreallyonthosegroundsthatthe

24 objectionwouldbemade.

25 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Whenyousayatranscript,wasitaCourt

26 proceedingorsomeothertypeoftranscript?

27 MRAGHA: Myunderstandingisthatthegentlemanconcerned

28 wasinterviewedbyinvestigatorsandthereweretapedinterviews

29 andtheyweretranscribedanditisactuallythetranscriptof


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1 thoseinterviewsratherthananywrittenstatementwhichweare

2

discussinghere.

3 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Iunderstand.

4 JUDGESEBUTINDE: MrAgha,wehadanopportunitytolookat

5 theredactedstatement,Ithink,thatwasexchangedbetween

6 yourselves. Itappearstomeasifthisinterviewwasan

7 interviewwiththemedia. Areyousureitwasaninterviewwith

8 investigators?

9 MRAGHA: Myunderstandingisitwasaninterviewcarried

10 outbymembersatleastoftheofficeoftheProsecution,

11 investigatorsIbelieve,oftheparticularwitness. Thatisat

12 leastmyunderstanding.

13 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. MrManlySpain?

14 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes,YourHonour.

15 PRESIDINGJUDGE: WetakeitthatyouareinopenCourt

16 makinganapplicationunderRule92bisfortheadmissionofthis

17 statement?

18 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes,YourHonour.

19 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Didyouhaveanyfurthersubmissionsto

20 supportyourapplication?

21 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes,YourHonour. Havingreadthe

22 statement,webelievethatthiswitnesshasinhisstatement

23 evidencethatgoestothe relevantevidencethatgoesto,that

24 gotothechargesbeforetheCourt,particularlyonthematters

25 ofjointcriminalenterprise,andalsothematterofthe

26 cooperationbetweentheRUFandtheAFRC,andtheplanningof

27 operations. Wealsobelievethattheinformationcontainedin

28 thestatementisexculpatoryinrespectoftheaccusedpersons.

29 ThatitwillassisttheDefenceoftheaccusedpersons. Wedo


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1 notbelieve,andIrespectfullysubmitthattheProsecutionwould

2

notbe

prejudiced

inany

respect

bythe

contents

ofthis

3 statement. Moreover,YourHonours,ifweareassureditisnot

4 thecasethatitisimperativethattheProsecutioncrossexamine

5 thiswitness,havingregardtothefactthattheycameupwith

6 thestatement,andwerekindenoughtopassitontous. With

7 regardtotheprotectivemeasures,that,Ihaven'tseentheorder

8 soitisdifficultformetomakeanapplicationforavariation

9 ofthatorder,andtorequestthenameofthewitnessbut,the

10 reasonbasicallyforourapplicationatthisstageistosavethe

11 timeoftheCourt,andfortheproceedingstogoontoits

12 conclusion,aswehavebeentryingtodo,andtryingtodetermine

13 todayalthough,asIsaid,Idon'twantitto thissmall

14 matter tobehangingforustofixadatetocomeforthatet

15 ceteraetceteraand,attheendoftheday,fromwhatmylearned

16 friendtheProsecutionhassaid,itispossiblethatwemightnot

17 evenbeabletogetincontactwiththiswitness. Thatisall,

18 YourHonour.

19 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Well,justoneotherthing. Asyouno

20 doubtrealiseunderRule92bis(B),theTrialChambermustbe

21 satisfiedthattheinformation itsreliabilityissusceptible

22 toconfirmation. Whatdoyousayonthataspect?

23 MRMANLYSPAIN: Well,fromwhatIhaveseen,YourHonour,

24 andfromwhathastranspiredinthisCourt,werespectfully

25 submitthatthisisreallyanauthenticdocumentfromthe

26 Prosecution. AndIdonotbelievethatthematterofveracityis

27 anissueatthisstage. Itisafterthedocumentistendered

28 thattheCourtcanandwill,Iamsure,lookatthevalueofits

29 contents. Thatisall.


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1 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Thankyou,MrManlySpain.

2

Whatdoyou

wish

toreply,

MrAgha?

3 MRAGHA: Yes,YourHonour. Aswe'vementioned,the

4 questionobviouslyofthenoticeperiodisn'tthereatanyrate,

5 asrequiredbytherules. Wecometothequestionof92bisand

6 thepositionoftheProsecutionisthat,andIbelievehasbeen

7 thecasesofar,isthatallwitnesseshavebeensubjectto

8 crossexamination,iftheywere92bis,inorderthatthat

9 evidencemaybetested. Wethinkthereisrelevantevidencein

10 thattranscript,hencetheDefencewouldnotbewantingtotender

11 itthrough92bis. AndIthinkanimportantpointwhichYour

12 Honourshaveraised,andthatis92bis(B),isthatthe

13 informationsubmittedmaybereceivedinevidenceif,andthisis

14 aprecondition,intheviewoftheTrialChamber,itisrelevant

15 tothepurposeforwhichitissubmittedandifreliabilityis

16 susceptibletoconfirmation.

17 NowIhavebeeninformedthatthistranscriptisnot

18 reliableandthewitnesswhogaveitwasnotregardedasbeing

19 reliableatthetimeandthatisonereasonwhy,althoughhewas

20 putoninitialprotectivemeasurein2003,therewasno

21 followupstothatbecause,underthecircumstances,weformed

22 ourownopinionthathewasnotatruthfulwitnesswhowemay

23 wanttoputbeforethisCourt.

24 Now,Idon'thavetheexactdetailsastowhyhewasdeemed

25 tobeunreliable,orwhathewassayingwasunreliablebut,ifwe

26 wereabletohavehalfanhouradjournmentthenIcouldbring

27 someonefromtheOTPwhocouldgiveandexplainthecircumstances

28 inwhichthattranscriptwastaken,andhelptheBenchinmaking

29 aninformeddecisiononitsreliability. Andcertainlyoneof


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1 thepointswhichIdidspeaktotheProsecutoryesterday,onthis

2

issueofthe

statement,

isthat

should

anapplication

bemade

3 thentheProsecutionshouldcertainlybeallowedtomake

4 submissionsastowhyitwasdeemedtobeunreliableand

5 thereforewouldnotbesubjecttoa92bisapplication. Andeven

6 then,ifthathurdleweretobecrossed,wewouldstillrequire

7 thewitnesstocomeforcrossexamination.

8 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes. JustbeforeIconsultmy

9 colleagues,there'sactuallythreestatements,aren'tthere?

10 It'snotjusttheonetranscript. Inoticethreedifferent

11 dates. Thereisthe12thofFebruary2003;the11thofFebruary

12 2003andthe11thofJanuary2003. Soit'sthreedifferent

13 transcripts,isn'tit?

14 MRAGHA: Yes,therewasaseriesoftranscriptswhichI

15 believeweretakenfromthisgentlemanoveraperiodoftime.

16 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Isee. Justpardonmeforonemoment.

17 [TheBenchconferred]

18 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes,allright,MrAgha. Wewouldlike

19 tohearthatwitnessonthereliabilitybeingsusceptibleto

20 confirmation. Wewilladjourninduecourseandyoucanmake

21 yourarrangements. MrManlySpain,youmadetheapplication;did

22 youwanttoreplytoanythingMrAghasaid?

23 MRMANLYSPAIN: No,yourHonour,everythinghasbeensaid.

24 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Ifwecanjustmoveontothe

25 otherthingsthattheProsecutionsaid,gettingbacktosaythe

26 lengthoftheDefencefinaltrialbriefs,it'sbeenagreed,

27 accordingtoMrAgha,thatthemaximumfinaltrialbriefforeach

28 accusedwillbe200pages;isthatcorrect? Thereisnoissues

29 thereatall?


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1 MRGRAHAM: Thatisso,YourHonours.

2

PRESIDINGJUDGE:

And

also

the

dates

agreed

bythe

parties

3 arenotnecessarilyagreedbytheCourt,butthedatesthatare

4 thesubjectofamutualagreementarethatthefinaltrialbriefs

5 wouldbesubmittednotlaterthanFriday,8thofDecember,and

6 theclosingargumentstobedeliveredstartingWednesday,the

7 13th,andpossiblygoingoverintothe14thofDecember;isthat

8 bycommonagreementaswell?

9 MRGRAHAM: Iconfirmthatisso,YourHonours.

10 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Andatthisstagetheagreementastothe

11 lengthoftheclosingargumentswasthreehoursforthe

12 ProsecutionandtwohourseachmaximumfortheDefence;isthat

13 yourunderstanding,MrGraham?

14 MRGRAHAM: Thatisalsothecase,YourHonour.

15 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Thankyou. Justtoremove

16 anydoubtatallasregardstotheDefenceintentions,we've

17 mentionedthatit'sbeenagreedthatthefinaltrialbriefswill

18 be200pagesmaximumforeachaccused. Now,wewanttomakeit

19 clearthatourunderstandingofthat,MrGraham,isthatit'sup

20 totheDefenceastohowthose200pageseach,totalmaximum600

21 pages,isdivided,aslongaswhateverthelegalargumentsand

22 factualargumentsare,thatarepresentedinthosefinaltrial

23 briefs,isconfinedtothattotalof200pageseach;havewegot

24 thatcorrect?

25 MRGRAHAM: Yes,YourHonour,thatwastheconsensusasof

26 yesterday. Thatisthecase.

27 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Therewillbenoextrapages

28 allowedforanyotherpurpose,whetherit'sforextralegal

29 argumentorextrafactualpresentation.


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1 MRGRAHAM: Thatisourunderstanding,YourHonour.

2

PRESIDINGJUDGE:

All

right.

Thank

you.

3 JUDGEDOHERTY: MrManlySpain,thereisamatterIwishto

4 clarify,arisingfromtheexpertreportonchildsoldiersbyMr

5 Gbla,whichthetimemaypermityoutoclarify. Thefirstaspect

6 isonpage23ofthereport,paragraph51. Onmycopythereisa

7 referencetoafootnote43andIhavenofootnote43.

8 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes,thatisindeedthecase. Wewill

9 fileacorrigendumtothattocorrectit.

10 JUDGEDOHERTY: Andmysecondpoint,MrManlySpain,isa

11 factualpointarisingoutofparagraph32. Andinittheexpert

12 witnesssays: "ThegovernmentofSierraLeonesignedand

13 ratifiedtheUNconventionontherightsofthechildof1989in

14 2000." IhadunderstoodthatSierraLeonehadsignedthe

15 conventionontherightsofthechildin1989. Infact,itwas

16 oneofthefirsttencountriestosignit. Sotheprotocolof

17 2000isadifferentissueandIwouldbegratefulifyoucould

18 clarifythat.

19 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes,YourHonour. Wewilllookatthat.

20 Iamnotsurefrommyrecollectionisthatafterthesigning

21 thereneedstobeprocessinparliamenttoratifyit.

22 JUDGEDOHERTY: That'scorrect. ThatiswhyIjustused

23 theword Ilimitmywordto"signing."

24 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes.

25 JUDGEDOHERTY: BecauseI'mawareithasn'tbeenadopted

26 intodomesticlaw.

27 MRMANLYSPAIN: Wewillclarifythat,YourHonour.

28 JUDGEDOHERTY: Thankyou.

29 MRMANLYSPAIN: Wehavenotedit. Thankyou,YourHonour.


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1 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Well,look,Ithinkthatwe

2

aregoing

toadjourn

now

but

Ithink

we've

covered

all

the

3 mattersfixedintheagendafortoday. Isthereanyothermatter

4 thatweshouldhaveconsideredbeforeweadjourn?

5 MRGRAHAM: CertainlynotfromtheDefence.

6 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Thankyou,MrGraham.

7 MRAGHA: Onlyjusttoclarify,YourHonour,ifyouwould

8 liketohearfromsomeonefromtheProsecution,itwouldn't

9 necessarilymeanthatsomeonetherewhowasawitnessatthetime

10 butsomeonewhoknowsthebackgroundanddetailsunderwhichthe

11 transcriptwastakenbecauseitwasbackin2003. Or,

12 alternatively,wecanprovideanaffidavittotheCourtora

13 declaration,whicheverispreferable,intermsofits

14 reliability.

15 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Well,it'sprobablybetterifyoucan

16 producesomeperson. Weareonlylookingatawitnesstoassist

17 usunderourconsiderationofRule92bis(B)butit'sprobably

18 betterifyoupresentvivavoceevidencebecausetheDefence

19 mightwishtoaskafewquestionsaswell.

20 MRAGHA: Certainly,YourHonour. Iwilltryandfind

21 someonewhohasknowledgeofthisandthenhecancomeandspeak

22 abouttheofficeoftheProsecutionandthatinterview.

23 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Hopefullythatwillprove

24 possible. Ifnotwewillconsiderotherformofevidencesuchas

25 adeclaration.

26 MRAGHA: IshalllookintothisandlettheCourt

27 attendantknowassoonaspossible,Chamber'sassistant,sorry.

28 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Thankyou. Well,

29 halfanhouriswhatyouareaskingfor,MrAgha;isthat


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1 correct?

2

MRAGHA:

Yes.

Ifwecould

perhaps

adjourn

until

half

past

3 ten,thatshouldgivemesufficienttimetoseeifIcanfind

4 someonewhohasmoredetailaboutthismatterbecauseobviously

5 theyweren'texpectingthisissuetoarisetodayintheCourt.

6 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Isee. Okay. Allright. Wewill

7 adjourntheCourtthenuntil10.30.

8 [Breaktakenat9.55a.m.]

9 [AFRC27OCT06B MD]

10 [Uponresumingat10.35a.m.]

11 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes,MrAgha.

12 MRAGHA: Yes,YourHonour. UndershortnoticeIwasable

13 tofindagentlemanwhodoeshaveknowledgearoundthe

14 circumstancesoftheseinterviews. Now,Ibrought heishere

15 sittinginthecourtroom. Now,dependingonhowYourHonour

16 choosestoproceed,hecantakethewitnessboxandbeswornand

17 youmayquestionhimoryoumayfeelthatIshouldleadhimon

18 theseissuesandbesubjecttocrossexaminationbutIleavethat

19 inyourhandshowyouchoosetoproceed.

20 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Well,Ithinkthebestwaytoproceedis

21 wewillhavehimgiveswornevidenceandyoucanleadhimon

22 whereverareasthatyouwish,but,bearinginmindthathewas

23 calledtogiveevidencetoassistus,inascertainingwhetherthe

24 proposedevidenceunderRule92bisissusceptibleof

25 confirmation,thatisthereasonyouarebringinghimhere. So,

26 withthatqualification,that'sthebestwaytoproceed,MrAgha.

27 MRAGHA: Yes,Iwouldagree,andIwouldcertainlylimit

28 myquestionstothetranscriptandhopethatthe

29 crossexaminationcouldalsobelimitedratherthantakemany


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1 manyhours.

2

PRESIDINGJUDGE:

Yes.

3 JUDGESEBUTINDE: MrAgha,justtoremindyou,Iamsure

4 youareobviouslyawareofthisbutthereisafinelinebetween

5 argumentspertainingtosusceptibilityofconfirmationandto

6 reliability. Wewerejusthopingthatyouwon'tcrossthatline.

7 MRAGHA: Iwilltrynotto,YourHonour,andIamsureyou

8 willpullmeupshouldIdoso.

9 JUDGEDOHERTY: MrAgha,youappeartohaveanothermember

10 withyouandwehavenoappearance.

11 MRAGHA: Iapologisefortheomission. It'sMsLeigh

12 Lawrieandshewillbejoiningustoassistusonthisone

13 confinedissue.

14 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Isee. Allright. Thankyou. Forthe

15 record,thewitnesstogiveevidencenowisbeingcalledin

16 connectionwithanapplicationbytheDefencetotendera

17 documentunderRule92bis. Thepurposeofhearingtheevidence

18 ofthiswitnessistoassisttheTrialChambertoassesspursuant

19 toRule92bis(B)whetherthedocument,andtheinformation

20 containedtherein,hasareliabilitywhichissusceptibleof

21 confirmation. Goahead,MrAgha,andcallyourwitness.

22 MRAGHA: Yes. TheProsecutionwouldcallMrGilbert

23 Morissetteandifhecouldbesworn.

24 WITNESS: GILBERTMORISSETTE[Sworn]

25 EXAMINEDBYMRAGHA:

26 Q. So,witness,I'mgoingtoaskyouafewquestionsthis

27 morning

28 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Justfortherecord,hisnameandhis

29 position.


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1 MRAGHA:

2

Q.

Iwill

start

with

some

basic

details.

Sojust

for

the

3 record,whatisyourname?

4 A. MynameisGilbertMorissette.

5 Q. Whatisyourcurrentposition?

6 A. IamthechiefofinvestigationfortheOfficeofthe

7 Prosecutor.

8 Q. Androughlywhendidyoustartworkingforthe

9 investigationsdepartment?

10 A. IstartedtheOTPinOctoberof2002.

11 Q. Andyouwereworkingintheinvestigationsdivision;is

12 thatright? Atthattime?

13 A. AtthattimeIwasworkingintheinvestigationdivisionas

14 thedeputychiefofinvestigation.

15 Q. Andareyouawareofawitnesswhoisreferredto,and

16 pleasedon'tnamehim,asTF1511?

17 A. Yes,Iam.

18 Q. Now,areyouawarethatthiswitnesswasinterviewedby

19 membersoftheinvestigationsectionoftheofficeofthe

20 ProsecutioninJanuaryandFebruary2003?

21 A. Yes,Iam.

22 Q. Doyouknowwhoconductedtheseinterviews?

23 A. Itwasconductedbythethenchiefofinvestigation,

24 DrAlanWhite.

25 Q. Anddidyoucometolearnthattherewereanydifficulties

26 regardingthewaytheseinterviewsweretranscribedorotherwise

27 taken?

28 A. Yes.

29 Q. AndcanyoupleasetelltheCourt?


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1 A. Duringthefirstinterview,inJanuary,thequalityofthe

2

transcriptionofthe

tape

themselves

was

extremely,

extremely

3 bad,tothepointthatafterseveralweeksofthe,ourtypistand

4 courtreportersandstenographertryingtotranscribethose

5 tapes,thatwe,DrWhitedecidedtosendthetapetotheFBI

6 laboratory,intheState,inordertohavetotrytohavethe

7 qualityofthetapeenhanced. Itcamebacksamething. They

8 wereunabletodoanythingwithit. Sothequalitywassobad

9 thatIwouldsay,Idon'tknowroughly,Ithinkprobably80per

10 centor90percentofitwasnot wasnevertranscribedand

11 whateverwastranscribedwasmostlyguessworkdoneonourpartso

12 thatweputeverythingaside.

13 Q. So,afterthat,wasthiswitnessagainreinterviewedto

14 seeifyoucouldgetabetterinterview?

15 A. Yes,wedid. Again,itwasconductedbyDrAlanWhiteand

16 atthistimehebroughtwithhimacourtreportersothatthe

17 transcriptcouldbemadeliveastheinterviewwasbeing

18 conducted. Butagain,thequalityofthe,notthequalityofthe

19 recordingatthistime,butoftheaccentorthespeakingofthe

20 witnesswassobadthateventhecourtreporter,aftercoming

21 backandafterrelisteningtothetapeandtryingandtryingfor

22 weeksand,youknow,almostcommitted,youknow,breakdownon

23 tryingtogetthesetranscriptsdone,thatfinally,youknow,we

24 didwhatwecouldandeverythingwasputaside.

25 Q. Nowyouwerenotpersonallypresentattheseinterviews,

26 wereyou?

27 A. No.

28 Q. Now,didMrWhitespeaktoyouabouthisinterviewswith

29 witnessTF1511?


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1 A. Yes,hedid.

2

Q.

Andwhat

did

hetell

you

about

his

impressions

ofwitness

3 TF1511?

4 A. Basicallythatthewitnesswastotallyunreliable. That

5 thewitnesswas

6 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Justamomentplease,MrWitness. There

7 isanobjection.

8 MRMANLYSPAIN: Werespectfullyobjecttothisquestion

9 becauseIdon'tbelievethatiswhatweareherefor. Wehaveto

10 seewhetherthetapesortherecordingsofthetranscriptswere

11 authentic,notwhetherthestatement gavetruestatementsor

12 truefactsinthestatement. Wearenotgoingtothestatements

13 themselves.

14 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes,reliabilityisnotaprecondition

15 ofadmissionunderRule92bis,MrAgha. SoIwillletyoureply

16 tothatobjectionifyoulikebeforeweruleonit.

17 MRAGHA: Well,YourHonour,areadingof92bisisifit's

18 relevantanditsreliabilityissusceptibleforconfirmation. So

19 inthatrespectIagreewithmylearnedfriendandIwilljust

20 sticktothesubstance.

21 Q. Now,didyoureadanypartofthesetranscripts?

22 A. Alittlebit. Verylimited,though.

23 Q. Andhowdidyouregardthem?

24 A. Thatthewitnesswas basicallythewitnesswasjust

25 lyingandlookingafterhisowninterest.

26 MRAGHA: It'sokay. Ifwecanjustscratchthat.

27 Q. Iamnotreallyaskingthefactthatheislyingorlooking

28 afterhisowninterest. Imean,howdidyoufindtheminterms

29 oftheirreadability?


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1 A. Well,thepartthatwecouldreadwecouldreadbutthen

2

mostofitwas

just

could

not

bereally

read

orcould

not

be

3 couldnotmakeanysense.

4 Q. Okay. Ihavenofurtherquestionsofthiswitness.

5 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Thankyou. Yes,MrManlySpain.

6 MRMANLYSPAIN: Justafewquestions.

7 CROSSEXAMINEDBYMRMANLYSPAIN:

8 Q. MrWitness,areyouconversantwiththerulesoftheCourt,

9 thisCourt,regardingtheinvestigationandthetakingof

10 statementsfromwitnesses?

11 A. Yes,Iam.

12 Q. Areyouawarewhetherthoseruleswerefollowedby

13 MrWhite?

14 A. Tomyknowledge,Iwasn'ttherebut,tomyknowledge,yes.

15 MRMANLYSPAIN: Nomorequestions.

16 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Anythingarisingfromthat?

17 MRAGHA: No,YourHonour.

18 QUESTIONEDBYTHECOURT:

19 PRESIDINGJUDGE:

20 Q. MrWitness,onethingIdon'tunderstandisthatwhen

21 MrWhitearrangedforthiswitnesstobeinterviewed,inthe

22 presenceofacourtreporter,whatexactlywastheproblemthen

23 ofgettingdownonpaperwhatthewitnesssaid?

24 A. Thewaythewitnesswasspeaking,YourHonour.

25 Q. Andwhatwaywasthat?

26 A. Very,verybadaccentandverybadpronunciation. Almost

27 impossibletomakeoutwhatthewitnesswassaying.

28 Q. Doyouknowwhatlanguagethewitnesswasinterviewedin?

29 A. InEnglish,YourHonour.


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1 Q. Andisthatthemothertongueofthiswitness?

2

A.

No,Your

Honour.

3 Q. Didtheytakealonganinterpreter?

4 A. No,YourHonour.

5 Q. Doyouknowwhythatwas?

6 A. No.

7 JUDGESEBUTINDE:

8 Q. So,doyoureckonthatifthiswitnessweretospeakinhis

9 ownlanguage,withtheassistanceofaninterpreter,perhapsa

10 betterjobcouldhavebeendone?

11 A. Idon'tknow. Iwasn'tthere.

12 Q. So,inotherwords,theonlyproblemwiththesetapesand

13 transcriptionwasbecauseofthewitness'saccentandthefact

14 thatthetranscriberscannotunderstandthataccent?

15 A. That'scorrect.

16 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Thankyou.

17 MRAGHA: MayIjustask,bringtotheBench'sattentiona

18 followuparisingfromlearnedJusticeSebutinde'squestions? In

19 thetranscriptoftheinterview,andIwon'tobviouslygivethe

20 name,oneofthequestionsis,andthisisonpage00020059is:

21 "Okay,youhavementionedtomethatyouspeak

22 manylanguagesoneofwhichisEnglish;isthat

23 correct?

24 "A. IspeakEnglish,French,ArabicandI

25 speakFullah,Wolof,Sush,Ibelieve,the

26 Africanlanguages,thelanguagewithFrenchand

27 Arabic."

28 Sothewitnesshimself,andthenwegoon:

29 "Now,thelanguagethatwewilluseforthis


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1 interviewwhichIbelieveyoumentionedtoyou

2

isthe

language

ofthe

Special

Court

isEnglish

3 andyouunderstandEnglishandcanyouspeak

4 Englishenough?

5 "A. IcanspeakEnglishenough."

6 So,sofarasthewitnesswasconcerned,hefelt

7 comfortablecarryingouttheinterviewintheEnglishlanguage.

8 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Whatpageisthatagain? Forgetthe

9 Court,forgettheRegistrypage.

10 MRAGHA: Thispageisn'tbeforetheCourt,YourHonour,

11 becausewegavetheRule68excerptsoftheinterviewofthis

12 witness.

13 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Butasfarasthe

14 investigatorswereconcerned,thewitnesshadstatedthathe

15 speaksEnglishwellenoughtobeinterviewedinEnglish.

16 MRAGHA: Yes,andthatiswhathechosetodo. SoI

17 suspectthatiswhyaninterpreterwasn'tcalled.

18 JUDGESEBUTINDE: But,MrAgha,thepreferencewasthe

19 interviewer'spreference. Englishwasthelanguagethatthe

20 investigatorpreferredandaccordingtowhatyou'vereadthe

21 witnessjustwentalongwiththatbecausetherewasno

22 interpreter. It'sdifferentwhenthechoiceisgiventothe

23 witnessandhesays"Iprefertheinterviewbeconductedin

24 Arabic"andthenyouhaveaproblembecauseyouhaveno

25 interpreter. Fromtheexcerptyou'vereaditappearstomethat

26 Englishwasnotthepreferredlanguagebutthatthewitnesswent

27 alongwithitandsaid"Well,Iamcomfortable. Ispeaksome.

28 IfyouaregoingtounderstandtheEnglishIspeakfine." It

29 seemstomethat'swhathappened.


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1 MRAGHA: Yes,thatwouldbethecase,YourHonour.

2

PRESIDINGJUDGE:

MrManly

Spain,

anything

arising

from

3 whattheBenchaskedthewitness?

4 MRMANLYSPAIN: Mineisnotreallyaquestionforthe

5 witness. It'sreallyapointofobservation. Thatwhatwehave

6 beforeus,wecanread,andtheevidencethatthewitnesshas

7 givenisthatthisstatementisauthentic.

8 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Ithinkwecanletthe

9 witnessgoinanyevent.

10 MRMANLYSPAIN: Yes.

11 PRESIDINGJUDGE: MrWitness,thankyouforgiving

12 evidence. YouarefreetoleavetheCourtnow.

13 THEWITNESS: Thankyou.

14 [Thewitnesswithdrew]

15 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Well,MrManlySpain,wewill

16 hearanyfurthersubmissionsyouwishtomakeinregardtothe

17 testimonywe'vejustheard.

18 MRMANLYSPAIN: YourHonour,mysubmissionisbriefthat

19 fromthetestimonywehavejusthad,itisclearthattherules

20 werefollowedinobtainingthisstatementthathasbeenservedon

21 us. Therefore,Isubmitthatthestatementisauthentic. We

22 haveitbeforeus. Wecanreadit. Whathasnotbeen,what

23 areashavenotbeenredactedIrespectfullywouldsubmitthat

24 thisstatementhasbeenconfirmedasauthenticbythewitness,

25 andthatit'snowamatterfortheCourttodecide,ifadmitted

26 weighttobegiventoit,andIrespectfullyamsubmittingthat

27 itshouldbeadmittedbecauseofitsrelevanceandtheother

28 pointsIraisedearliertoday. Thatisall,YourHonour.

29 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Thankyou. Didyouwantto


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1 reply,MrAgha?

2

MRAGHA:

Yes,

very

briefly.

Under

the

rule

it's

a

3 questionofreliabilitynotauthenticity,anditistheviewof

4 theProsecutionthatthesetranscripts,reliabilityisnot

5 subjecttosusceptibletoconfirmation,aspertherequirements

6 oftheruleand,furthermore,ifintheopinionofYourHonours

7 indeeditisadmissibleunderthisrule,becauseofthenatureof

8 theevidenceandthefactthattheredoesseemtobeadisputeas

9 toitsreliability,thattheProsecutionbeallowedto

10 crossexaminethiswitnesstoindeedtestitsreliabilityinopen

11 Court.

12 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Thankyou.

13 JUDGESEBUTINDE: MrAgha,Ihaven'tunderstood. Youjust

14 saidthedocumentisn'tsusceptibletoconfirmationbutyou

15 haven'tsaidhoworwhy;whydoyousayso?

16 MRAGHA: Isayit'snotsusceptibletoconfirmationbased

17 onreliabilityandtherulesaysitsreliabilityissusceptible

18 ofconfirmation. Now,mysubmissionisthatititselfmaybe

19 susceptibleofbeingofvalueofanysorts,butit'sreliability

20 isnotsusceptibleofconfirmationdue,forexample,the

21 difficultiesthatweretakenintranscribingit,thelanguage

22 issues,thefactthatitmayhavebeenthatthewitnessshould

23 havebeengiventheoptiontospeakinhisfirstlanguageand

24 wasn'tgiventheoption,rightlyorwrongly. Thefactthatit

25 hadtobetakendowninalanguagewhichhemayhavebeennot

26 veryfamiliarwithandnotverykeentoshowthathelackedthat

27 familiarity. So,intermsofitsownreliability,he,inhis

28 maybelessthanperfectEnglish,mayhavebeensayingwordsor

29 thingswhichhedidn'tmeantosay. Sointhatregardbecauseof


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1 thetranscriptionalproblemsandthelanguageproblemsinthe

2

submissionofthe

Prosecution

its

reliability

isnot

susceptible

3 ofconfirmation.

4 [TheBenchconferred]

5 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Well,look,wewillconsider

6 thesubmissions. Wewilladjournfornow. Wewillresumeat12

7 o'clock. Thatisonehourfromnow.

8 [Breaktakenat11.00a.m.]

9 [AFRC27OCT06C MD]

10 [Uponresumingat12.15p.m.]

11 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Wemakethefollowingordersinrespect

12 oftheagendaitemsforthestatusconference. Weemphasisethat

13 theseorderswillbeconfirmedbyaformaldecisioninwriting

14 andnotonlyconfirmedbutpossiblyexpandedupon.

15 Firstly,theorderswhichfollowarebyagreementbetween

16 theparties:

17 A. Thelengthofthefinaltrialbrieffiledonbehalfof

18 eachaccusedshallnotexceed200pages.

19 B. ThefinaltrialbrieffortheProsecutionshallbe

20 filedasonedocumentnotexceeding400pages.

21 C. Thefinaltrialbriefshallcomplyinallother

22 respects Iwillbacktrackthere thefinaltrialbriefs,in

23 plural,shallcomplyinallotherrespectswiththepractice

24 directiononfilingdocumentsbeforetheSpecialCourtforSierra

25 Leone.

26 D. TheclosingargumentsfortheProsecutionshallnot

27 exceedthreehoursandforeachoftheaccusedshallnotexceed

28 twohours.

29 InrespectofthefollowingorderstheTrialChambernotes


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1 thecommongroundestablishedbythepartiesbutnevertheless

2

ordersasfollows:

3 1. ThefinaltrialbriefsfortheProsecutionandthe

4 DefenceshallbefiledonorbeforeFriday,the1stofDecember

5 2006.

6 2. TheclosingargumentsoftheProsecutionandthe

7 DefenceshallbepresentedonThursday,the7thofDecember2006

8 withapossiblecarryovertoFriday,the8thofDecember.

9 WeturnnowtothequestionofthetenderbytheDefenceof

10 theinterviewtranscriptexcerptsofwitnessTF1511. The

11 followingisthemajoritydecision.

12 Rule92bisoftheRulesofProcedureandEvidenceprovides

13 asfollows:

14 A. AChambermayadmitasevidenceinwholeorinpart

15 informationinlieuoforaltestimony.

16 B. Theinformationsubmittedmaybereceivedinevidence

17 if,intheviewoftheTrialChamber,itisrelevanttothe

18 purposeforwhichitissubmittedandifitsreliabilityis

19 susceptibleofconfirmation.

20 C. Apartywishingtosubmitinformationasevidenceshall

21 givetenday'snoticetotheopposingparty. Objections,ifany,

22 maybesubmittedwithinfivedays.

23 Asregardsthetenday'snoticeinRule92bis(C)wemake

24 theobservationthatthedocumentswere,infact,inthe

25 possessionoftheProsecutionsince2003andwasservedonthe

26 Defenceonthe26thofOctober2006. Accordingly,pursuantto

27 Rule54wedispensewiththetenday'snoticerequirement.

28 WithreferencetoRule92bis(B)weareoftheviewthatthe

29 informationinthesaiddocumentsisrelevant. Wemustfollow


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1 theinterpretationplacedonRule92bisbytheAppealsChamberin

2

thecase

ofProsecution

vFofana

etal,

SCSL

0414AR73,

decision

3 onappealagainstdecisiononProsecution'smotionforjudicial

4 noticeandadmissionofevidence,datedthe16thofMay2005at

5 paragraph26. TheAppealsChamberdecisiongivesthefollowing

6 interpretationofRule92bisandwequote:

7 "SCSLRule92bisisdifferenttotheequivalent

8 RuleintheICTYandICTRanddeliberatelyso.

9 ThejudgesofthisCourt,atoneoftheirfirst

10 plenarymeetings,recognisedaneedtoamend

11 ICTRRule92bisinordertosimplifythis

12 provisionforacourtoperatinginwhatwas

13 hopedwouldbeashorttimespaninthecountry

14 wherethecrimeshadbeencommittedandwherea

15 TruthandReconciliationCommissionandother

16 authoritativebodiesweregeneratingtestimony

17 andotherinformationabouttherecently

18 concludedhostilities. TheeffectoftheSCSL

19 Ruleistopermitthereceptionof

20 'information'assertionsoffact(butnot

21 opinion)madeindocumentsorelectronic

22 communications ifsuchfactsarerelevantand

23 theirreliabilityis'susceptibleof

24 confirmation.' Thisphraseologywaschosento

25 makeclearthatproofofreliabilityisnota

26 conditionofadmission: Allthatisrequired

27 isthattheinformationshouldbecapableof

28 corroborationinduecourse. Itisforthe

29 trialchambertodecidewhethertheinformation


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1 comesinaform,orisofakind,thatis

2

'susceptibletoconfirmation'.

Itfollows,

of

3 course,fromthefactthatitsreliabilityis

4 'susceptibleofconfirmation',thatitisalso

5 susceptibleofbeingdisproved,orsoseriously

6 calledintoquestionthatthecourtwillplace

7 norelianceuponit. Rule92bispermitsfacts

8 whicharenotbeyonddisputetobepresentedto

9 thecourtinawrittenorvisualformthatwill

10 requireevaluationinduecourse. Theweight

11 andreliabilityofsuch'information'admitted

12 viaRule92biswillhavetobeassessedin

13 lightofalltheevidenceinthecase."

14 We'vealreadymadeafindingthatinourviewthe

15 informationinthesaiddocumentsisrelevant. Wealsofindthat

16 thesaidinformationcomesinaformorisofakindthatis

17 susceptibletoconfirmation. Accordingly,werulethatthe

18 interviewtranscriptsofwitnessTF1511fallwithinthestated

19 criteriaforadmissibilityandwethereforeadmittheminto

20 evidenceasExhibitD39.

21 [ExhibitNo.D39wasadmitted]

22 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Also,whenwesaythattheexcerpts,

23 interviewtranscripts,areadmittedintoevidenceasExhibitD39

24 wearereferringtotheunredactedtranscripts.

25 MRMANLYSPAIN: Thankyou,YourHonour.

26 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Now,inrelationtothosetranscripts

27 beingadmittedintoevidence,wenotetheProsecutionadvicethat

28 witnessTF1511iscoveredbyprotectivemeasuresand,toremove

29 anydoubt,weconfirmthattheprotectivemeasuresorderedby


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1 JusticeItoe,inhisdecisionofthe21stofNovember2003,

2

entitled"Decision

onthe

Prosecution

motion

for

immediate

3 protectivemeasuresforwitnessesandvictims"shallbe

4 applicabletowitnessTF1511or,rather,shallcontinuetobe

5 applicabletowitnessTF1511.

6 Well,Ithinkthatconcludesthisstatusconference. Any

7 otherbusinessweshouldhaveaddressed?

8 MRAGHA: Ijustwantedtoclarify,YourHonour,hasthat

9 statementbeenadmittedsubjecttocrossexaminationorwithout

10 crossexamination?

11 PRESIDINGJUDGE: No,it'sadmittedunder92bisasitis

12 withoutcrossexamination.

13 MRAGHA: Thankyou,YourHonour.

14 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Didyouhavethatunredactedstatement

15 here,MrAgha?

16 MRAGHA: Wedon'thaveitwithus,YourHonour,butwecan

17 certainlyproduceit.

18 PRESIDINGJUDGE: ProduceittoCourtManagement?

19 MRAGHA: Yes.

20 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Yes. Allright. Thankyou.

21 JUDGESEBUTINDE: Andthatwouldbebeforethecloseof

22 today,hopefully?

23 MRAGHA: Yes,YourHonour.

24 JUDGESEBUTINDE: Okay.

25 PRESIDINGJUDGE: Allright. Well,ifthereisnoother

26 businesswewilladjournnowuntilfurtherorderoftheCourt.

27 [Whereuponthehearingadjournedat12.30p.m.,

28 tobereconvenedonfurtherorderoftheCourt]

29


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EXHIBITS:

ExhibitNo.

D39

30

WITNESSESFORTHEDEFENCE:

WITNESS: GILBERTMORISSETTE 18

EXAMINEDBYMRAGHA 18

CROSSEXAMINEDBYMRMANLYSPAIN 22

QUESTIONEDBYTHECOURT 22

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