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SECfCLAS*I !CATION

DATE: 15 October 3.952TO Chief, sEL

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3SUBJECT: vaNtem.• Operitionni

SPEC' I C- Interview with Ex-Mufti

1. The attached notepsere turned over to CLIVE by James BILL, Middle

East _correspondent for TLIE Magazine, on an oral interview conducted

with the ex44ufti Hajj in al-SISAIsI on 8 October 1952.

AttenBRents As Indicated

DECLASS IF I ED AND RE LEASED BYCENTRAL INTELL ISENCE AGENCY

SOURCESMET HOOSEXEMPT ION 3828NAZI WAR CR IMES DI SCLOSURE ACTSATE 2008

FORM WO. 01.211APR 1547CLASSIFICATION

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stene house, cold. fog, sdrknoss, guard tents. inpasaiable road.bore reception room..if smaseus-Orga,..eye always sit in this one.o.:7-bidder el husewini Ma nerhew and on 1n.14.

p• •1 4 • •.• Mufti enters."404ant loot, like killer. pink Nes. blond hair And

(beard turning gray. sharp nose. ffxid mails. loe..anteide&-vedee.patent leather shoes with patent leather strings. sold trimmed alma.

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ato get to Jarsualem arabs need unity, how they ever achieve it? eerier:a oot

:Unity for the grabs is a mean necessity and a great one, the arabpeople feel the need and hence they will continually try to achieveit, we know that email nations no longer have a chant* of survival.that is another reason why 'webs must unite. There are certain hinderaniee.But they are artificial ones, the work of imperialismit and theinfluence) of the imperialist powers. but I am confident of the needand the demand b, the leopie will overcome minor difficulties.

4:nagulb lead to unity?Aryes I do." ... w—..-••"do you have a list of auestions: he said uncomfortabley. left to sayprayers. 6 & & &,,,, 4 7 t. f 7 f• ■ t • •i r a- ‘ a , miff:VIE s

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qaha un 0tht steps necessary to lead to arab ity/. arab league should take

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steps to bring about working relations bdbseen arab countries. These !relations should be in accord with the circumstance). of the middle east.

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we should try to reach a unity similar to that of the tr.'. from muw1wl'economic and every point of view. This unity must be achieved by the

b people as well as their. governments.

gs.larlits face fifth winter, must there be 6th and 7th and 10th?Vittige no compromise, no solution either than return to palest/no?

'a good question," he said smiling, and leaning forward. thick wrists,strong hands. "I would live to reverse it. I would like to ask britainand amsrica that question. because I R every pnlastlnian arab wantsthe refugees to go back to theft it is the Jews with the helpin britain and merits& who stand in the Iry of their r • There isthe IJJ resolution oallinl or their return of refugges The ri t ofman to his eroporty is sacred. it has been confireed all co es andhi/ the 1.11. Tt is a right which has been reapeoted everywhere, when thegermane occupied fr .:Ince they didn't infhinge on personal tw rights,now when alflos eseeupy german, they also respect that rilht t ditionallypowers don't usurp pr,,,ate erorwrty ri ehte. Tet-Vodaw Palestine thisIs being done, let us reverse the situation, say some arlb state Omdrove the Jews from their eountry and then laid their hand on Jewish

1 property, what woulo be the attitude of t •Ur, Pritain and America?yet why "s this the case in Israel today? 'tefugees are or the borderwhere they can sea their la•i being tilled and thew houses betns usedby foreigners, thay Nee the fifth winter in tents, howa long IR Americaand britain going to be silent on th i s question?"- - • • // •

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( Q.' is there any compromise?

"no solution which is unjust or unfair can be accepted. no personwould acc.14 enythinl in exchange foe is country, Oloh l q why 1 bwileu•there is no solution excent For the return of :alestiniAns to their lendand homes, that is the on) y- just mi 4 fair solution,

: 0 • . 4 !."apparently the palatine preOlon (n -ult. simple, yam say it concernsonly a million or 1.5 million people, but actually it Is much deeperand much more importont../plestine is a sacred place to many people.tt_concerns 100 of .millions of people in vArious mete or the world.paWitTne'is also the concern of all arebs slimi all Realms, anyonewho goes to pakestan, afrhaniatan, Iran can see how deeply they are

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the *elutionon the depends the n whole future relationship

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moslemIf.one side sei tritain and America on he other."

body of the arab world Are not the Jews alone, but also buitaluxamdSMIOsisamilosis responsible for inserting the dagger of isrsel in the

concerned and how deeply tiler feel,

"Now it is clear to all mosleAs and all grabs that the authorities. 1'..k ; . 5t: )

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*bob the british who worked for many years to establish Israel, and . .in later years, unfortunately the Americans who shared the eesponsibiligyFor this very serious step, 4

i for what is . terael? what o3ule the Jews do without britain and amerioa?1( you mustn't believe in an possibility of a real sincera-aild hearty i

tcooperation between t e people of t'e moslem countries on the onet

solution in pa st ThWili might be some governments and somet

hand end /*Main ane 'America on the ether before there is a just

°Metals who out o courtesy or private reasons say we Kant toCooperate and we ld like 63 cooperate. But h. people themselves will Inever be sincer in noope ation so lorm s the british and mmerioan .1governments stick to their present p013,67 toward ems Israel,"

(i■ was getting u warmed up. he took ot his turban, flat heed. much somata,-

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whattrange I believe is neoerry inshbritid erian (peus Ds it oeoured to you! Oh yes. (mmileill

"One who knows history knows that if it werent for britain the Jews couldhave never made A state, britain opened the gates and made it allPossible . Then after the war AMwritta supported the Jews financiallypol t tically and otherwise.

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*Now we don't ask sumwtaax britian and eserice to undo what they havedone or repair What ttey have spoiled, we ask orly a simple and just thine..Britain and Amerloa (I prefer to me ., tion hritatn first always) should

• smy stsPlikkrOm now on an absolutely neutral attitude in the --1

uonfliobbeiween the arabs tani the mosiems on the one /unlit and theJewish world on the other. (This should be a neutrality in military

• economic and political points of view. By neutrality I mean britain andenerice should not help US And should not help the jets..

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'If britain And the U. : , will adopt this attitude ofneutrality, the srabs and the melees will be their friends. Weare ready to forget what both have dons And will begin to cooperatewhole heartedly with the british and the Americans,

can you see airy more simple and juat 'demand for friendship and real,lamer cooperation,

If the IMUREX aglo-americans at least do not tdke .a nentralattitude we arabs and moslems •hall take a neutral attitude in theconflict between the east and the west. A.,of

itemn gave a promise to the Jews, she has long ego fullfilled it.hy doeont she now adopt this neutrality after she has realised forthe Jews an old hope?

america has given Israel eng important hand. why can shen

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ot now be astisfied with th,t much And adopt neutrality?

it the anglii-americans will not adopt this simiSfle demand for neutralitythe arab people will be Justified !moth* and have every reason tobelieve that they support the Jewish ambtfion of uprooting arab'and mosleme from the !fiddle east.thatinoludes lebanon e yrie Jordan,Iraq and parts of egypt and south apericaw-es they have already stated.(he said over the Knesset-it says Jews will build empire from nile totigris).

in order to understand Another* point of view you most put yourself inhis place. if you were an crab what would your feeling be toward

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people who are supporting /gsr. olly, would you request anythin...aof nwitrality,

' Amerioans look on me as Hitler because Irmo in Germany duringthe war. I believe the reasons for which I want to Germany wereJustified. in Palestine the anglish Wed to capture me and take meto seyehel island. I ran away to eyrie. The french tried to capture mesnd I had to go to Iraq. and later I had to go to Iran. Earshal lavellput a pries of 25.°00 pounds on my head. I finally had to leave theMiddle East. I asked to star in Turkey but the Turks win . pressurefrom the British, would not let me stay. I had to get* Europe. Ineurope store could I go? England! Prance? the only possible plass wasgs rummy ise=capos. t,

In my radio talks I never spoke against america (he's-memit is not our policy to take a %ostlle attitude toward &merles

l litrit mention britain. I limited myself to the injustices britainhad done to the arab, in general and palestintmere in particular.

because I did this, americans look upon me as the enemy. how etshould an arab look on merles' which hoax supports stamestmsomm Israelomr enemy with millions of dollars (not every day) on every emission,

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immix brit4n and ameriea help the Jimre not only with financialaid but br pressure upon arab Oates to mho peso* with Jewel.dhead amorist do that? anparently emwdica is gaining the hostilityof 500 million moselms for the sake of the Jews and hritain. it isnot in their interest to do th-t.

I dont say &merle* should sacrifice the interests GIS for britain •mad Jews. isn't it better that she be friends with both sides byadopting neutrality, then she can help Mice peace between them * butif she surports one v:ainst the other how can she help make pease!we Wile not a small nation. arab and moslems number 500 million. Micha big group can not be wiped out and neither am its interests beoverlooked * .e.t.it In the interest of 'twirl*s to be friendly with

regardlesw of humanitarlifivne and Jnsttee rmat2I'vmarits

eilbaias interest to be 'friendly with these people * thin friendship .will come in return for neutrality * The problem of palestine is not onlythe concern of 1.5 million cabs * Fist year and the year before Itook trips to nakestan and afghanistan lnd I'd like to assure you -

these people are just AR interested in palestine AB the palestinians

CV (questions and answers about commonwealth* crown* monarchies eta.)•■•■■(Dek : It has been said tha t t he onlr eolution ND rul•stine is to eliminate tbe

Jewel!

II: ewe don't neap. at all to ellmirate t4-1411..i not at all. if mossbritain and maiirdrikiarlitOtrsUppoiting Israel now Jews willbmmediately loose 801 of their pride and fanaoticism, then ndthan will we be able to come to an undaratan4i0g with t 'iv

. entreMenssait gone* '. . then we can bring about a riet and17 ,------611minat ion of the Jews is not in our program * we have

out the Jews. Jews lived amongst us for 13 centuries * we protected themas a minority at time when there was no =erica and britain and europewere far away and we were more powerful *. thisidea is not in our thoughts

.....g4nitTpr been in our Itie tOrT. 're vere known in history for our toleren

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