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I invite all other Senn 580/600/650 modders to share their methods and impressions of theirchosen suite of mods!

Firstly, hats off to member kramer and other earlier threads (links lost after reorganization ofsite) that have dealt with modding these wonderfully mod-able line of cans.

I chose to start my head-fi experience with the HD580 because of the potential forincremental and hopefully instructive modifications the 580/600/650 afford through its highlymodular design. I've had a lot of pictures and pm help, but a hell of a time getting adequateinstruction.

So here, I'm reposting my howto's for the mods I've done in the name of posterity.

edit: for completeness, a link from SonicArmada to burn-in files [here].

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EDU: How to mod your Senn580 http://www.head-fi.org/t/235262/edu-how-to-mod-your-senn...

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PART 1: Grilles, Cords, Adapter650 cable #92885 $11.62650 1/4 to 1/8 adapter #92595 $4.86HD 600 grilles #92815 $7.92 (each)

SennUSA (860)434-9190

points to remember:

1. make sure you've got all lettering facing outwards when reattaching cables

2. getting the grilles off is easier if you take the driver unit off the headband bracket; thesebrackets have enough flex to let you slip the entire driver unit (grille, driver and cushions)right off. pry/slip the plastic grilles off and slide your new grilles on.

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Part 2: Ichi's 580 Nylon Method and the kramer socket modnot that the idea is originally mine, but i like to tell myself that the procedure is:

1. slip out the driver unit from the headband bracket and gently pull on the cushion.

2. get a firm grip on the base of the cushion as it is fixed onto a plastic ring that anchors itagainst the driver unit, sandwiching the foam in between.

3. remove the thin foam sheet underneath after you get the cushion off and get a pair ofblack nylons.

4. cut a square piece of nylon the size of the foam sheet.

5. stretch the nylon around the engaging side of the cushion ring (taking care to properlyalign the weave of the nylon if you're that kind of person) and temporarily hold it in place bytaping the edges of the nylon square onto the sides or face of the cushions with scotch tape.be sure to stretch it enough such that the tape does not get caught between the cushion anddriver housing when you reattach them.

6. reattach the cushion on the driver unit by pressing the cushion firmly but gently onto thedriver unit, you should hear it snap into place where you press. DO NOT USE THE GRILLES ASLEVERAGE! USE THE EDGE OF THE GRILLS!!

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7. go all the way around the cushion to make sure it is on firmly. you should now have a "frilly" nylon border around the cushion.

8. take a pair of curved scissors (i used a pair of clippers from the gf's manicure set) and trim the excess nylon by going around the edge ofthe cushion, pulling a bit on the nylon as you go so that it tucks itself back in between the groove where the cushion and driver housing meet.

9. repeat for other side.

Impressions:I mostly listen to classical music, sonatas, symphonies, etc.. so for me the nylon mod really opens up the soundstage and improvesinstrumental positioning. some have recently said that they do not like it because even though it brings out the mids, the lack of foam forfeitsthe sennheiser sound. for those who feel this way, there's kramer's socket mod (see below for your convenience).

kramer's socket mod

thanks to kramer. an option for those of you who feel defoam/nylon is too bright or not warm enough.

Standard Socket-mod that many of the KSC75 owners have been doing.

remove the earpads and the foam sheet just falls out.Use a 3/4" socket and center it on the foam on your smooth garage concrete. Hold the socket FIRMLY in place and give it a few goodSMACKS. Hold it STEADY and hit the thing HARD. It will cut right through the foam in a clean circle.


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Part 3: Stripping and (optionally) repainting the headbandStripping

Citristrip for those of you looking to do it (Thanks RedLeader!). $12 at your local homedepot for the small jug of gel. Don't do the aerosol, itjams.

Use a bucket or, even better a 1L pyrex beaker (a la Chemistry lab), pour out the entire contents of the gel and let sit.

I recommend purchasing a $3 pair of paint stripping gloves that are solvent resistant. I got some of the Citristrip on my fingers and theyburned immediately. HAVE WATER HANDY!! Citristrip seems to be a water soluble solvent.

60 minutes oughta do'er.

Things get a little gooey and messy when you're removing the paint (which slides/oozes off).

Plastic strength is NOT perceivably affected , unlike the Turpentine horror story on kramer's original thread.

Brush the loose paint off gently and away from you, you don't want to spray that stuff anywhere on you, especially your eyes!

I found that some tough spots are best handled with a scouring pad, but if you do this, plan to finish up with RedLeader's medium glosspaintjob, since the plastic will scratch.

Repainting

I thought redleader's semigloss job would do the trick for me, so i went to walmart and bought what i thought was semigloss black. painted itand it looked horrible (redleader used real semi-gloss auto paint, mine was plastikote gloss black) - made the band look like a flimsy, cheappiece of plastic! couldn't keep that.

ran to homedepot and bought some 600grit sandpaper to sand it down to groundzero and decided on rustolium's black hammered spraypaintfor plastic with krylon satin acrylic finishing coat (since i'll be handling the cans quite often). decided on 5 layers each side, 6 on top and 2 ofthe finishing.

acrylic or enamel finishing is recommended as your headphones (should be?) getting a lot of handling. as well, i agree with souperman (reply#129) that modders should explore more colors! ferrari red on black brackets and carbon grey grilles? absolutely! stock grilles in bronze,anyone?

Ichinichi

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One is 650, the other is 580s. Without looking for the plaque, which is which?

The headbands.

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Great tips, Ichinichi!How do they sound after these mods compared to the stock units?In what all areas is the sound improved?Thanks again!

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Fantastic post for all the new Senn HD 580 owners like myself. Yes I used the search function but the part number for the HD 600 grills isvery helpfull! From all the other post's I have seen they cost more than $7.92 though , how did you get them that cheap ?

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these mods are interesting and well known. but it seems to me after some thought that the better course is to just buy a used pair ofHD600s. they are pretty reasonable now a days.

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Originally Posted by daltonlanny Great tips, Ichinichi!How do they sound after these mods compared to the stock units?In what all areas is the sound improved?Thanks again!

Thanks daltonlanny! They sound MUCH better. After burn-in of about five days (so, 120 hours), being a newb, I felt that theysounded...muffled (with my newb diction here), like they couldn't breathe properly to really sing. The C&C v2 helped a lot with that, but thesoundstage still felt cramped. So I quickly moved on my modding plans.

Modification: 650 cablesEffect: You get sturdier cables for one. I felt that it helped the HD580s' sound "mature" a lot more. This mod finally taught me what"tightened bass" is referring to, lows mids and highs sound much more distinct - in effect, the experience becomes more..."visceral".

Modification: 600/650 grillesEffect: I felt they opened the HD580s by an appreciable margin, takes the aesthetics up several notches as well.

Modification: nylonsEffect: Coupled with the grille mod, the nylon mod finally lets the HD580s really sing at their true potential (esp with the C&C v2 amp)!Soundstage expanded, more airy, better instrumental separation (I listen to orchestral music a lot)...to sum up, understand that the HD580sonly hint at their capabilities when left as stock; everything I hoped to get out of my HD580s after my first real listen is delivered after thisseries of mods.

Modification: stripping/repainting the headbandEffect: By far the most effective mod in terms of SQ; the attack and decay shows superb improvement, instruments that weren't there beforesuddenly make themselves heard, I simply cannot say enough about the performance gains you get from repainting the headband! (I'm justkidding, folks...or am I?? )

All the mods together give me an experience akin to sitting back after a hard day and enjoying a glass of really, really good wine. Highlyrecommended.

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Originally Posted by Sinwerm Fantastic post for all the new Senn HD 580 owners like myself. Yes I used the search function but the part number for the HD 600grills is very helpfull! From all the other post's I have seen they cost more than $7.92 though , how did you get them that cheap ?

Happy to hear it! That's really the audience this thread is aimed at. As for the grilles, they were $7.92 each ($16 a pair) when I was charged

Ichinichi


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for them two weeks ago. What have you been quoted?

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Originally Posted by vcoheda these mods are interesting and well known.

Orly? Read op and title for credits and thread motivation.

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Originally Posted by vcoheda ...but it seems to me after some thought that the better course is to just buy a used pair of HD600s. they are pretty reasonablenow a days.

With almost all due respect to a Headphoneus Supremus (some withheld on account of the palpable condescension in his reply) I disagreecompletely. For some, the joy is putting in the work and appreciating the incremental improvement in sound whilst educating oneself on whatmore experienced head-fiers refer to as soundstage, airiness, attack, decay, etc.. Its not a race, its a hobby.

Plus, its pretty well established that most experienced head-fiers of Senn persuasion prefer the sound of the modded 580 over a stock 600.And if you are going to mod the 600 after you get them, then the final product is the same thing. Why pay the diff in price for the samedrivers and an uglier headband and driver brackets? As well, not every one can afford a stable as extensive as your own!

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I'd decided to just wrap a Beyer headband (thanks EdT!) around the stock headband instead of repainting it. Simple, comfortable and it looksreally nice:

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drews: That looks hot! I already have the other items. I just need to find myself a Beyer headband now.

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Originally Posted by drews I'd decided to just wrap a Beyer headband (thanks EdT!) around the stock headband instead of repainting it. Simple, comfortableand it looks really nice:

Wow.. that does look pretty damn nice!

jondl


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that IS hot! gotta find me some beyer headband wraps. comfier than stock band cushion? do you take the stock cushion out?

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Originally Posted by Ichinichi With almost all due respect to a Headphoneus Supremus (some withheld on account of the palpable condescension in his reply) Idisagree completely. For some, the joy is putting in the work and appreciating the incremental improvement in sound whilsteducating oneself on what more experienced head-fiers refer to as soundstage, airiness, attack, decay, etc.. Its not a race, its ahobby.

Plus, its pretty well established that most experienced head-fiers of Senn persuasion prefer the sound of the modded 580 over astock 600. And if you are going to mod the 600 after you get them, then the final product is the same thing. Why pay the diff inprice for the same drivers and an uglier headband and driver brackets? As well, not every one can afford a stable as extensive asyour own!

i completely agree with this statement. if i were to do this again, I would buy a pair of 580's over 600's 11 out of 10 times.

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