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Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56817)by Epistemes » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:32 am

I'm not incredibly sure what to make of this. It's the first I've ever heard of such aphenomenon, and I can't quite see how such a phenomenon fits within a Buddhist view of life,death, humanity and the cosmos.

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Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56824)by alwayson » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:06 am

This is no secret. It is in many of the Dalai Lama's books.

A rainbow body is merely a Sambhogakāya, the same Sambhogakāya found all over Mahayana.

The goal of Mahayana is to achieve a Sambhogakāya as fast as possible, so that one maybenefit infinite sentient beings.


Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56850)by Malcolm » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:47 pm

Epistemes wrote:I'm not incredibly sure what to make of this. It's the first I've ever heard of sucha phenomenon, and I can't quite see how such a phenomenon fits within aBuddhist view of life, death, humanity and the cosmos.

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The notion of rainbow body is tied up with tantric concepts about the human body and thefour elements which constitute it.

At basis is the idea that at the most subtle level, relatively speaking, physical matter existsas light which we reify as solid matter. When we have remove the afflictions that obscure ourvision of reality, ordinary phenomena, including our own bodies, are revealed to us ascompositions of dynamic light‐energy and we become free of course matter since we nolonger reify it.

This is possible because everything is empty, insubstantial and not real.

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Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56870)by deepbluehum » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:40 pm

Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is only of particular importance toDzogchen. Few other teachings lineages discuss it.


Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56873)by conebeckham » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:16 pm

Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation to Kalachakra's "Empty Form body?"


Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56876)by kirtu » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:31 pm

The empty form body is supposed to be different from rainbow body. The Kalachakra emptyform body is apparently based on space particles.

Kirt


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by conebeckham » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:36 pm

conebeckham wrote:Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation to Kalachakra's "EmptyForm body?"



















by conebeckham » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:36 pm

Space Particles?

Care to elaborate?

(I'm not disagreeing with your statement....though I'm having a Mel Brooks moment,envisioning Rick Moranis as Dark Helmet....)



Not so, it is discussed in Kagyu and Sakya as well.


Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56884)by alwayson » Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:16 pm

Yeah but my understanding is that rainbow body is a manifestation of Sambhogakāya on theworld plane.

The same Sambhogakāya as all of Mahayana.



deepbluehum wrote:Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is only of particularimportance to Dzogchen. Few other teachings lineages discuss it.

deepbluehum wrote:Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is only of particularimportance to Dzogchen. Few other teachings lineages discuss it.

kirtu wrote:

conebeckham wrote:

















They claim this, but the actual process is similar or same to other HYT. My comment is basedon Glen Mullin's book.

So why would the result be different?

The only slight difference is that something goes on in the forehead region. You see a squigglyline or something.

Does anyone know what that is about? Mullin does not really explain it.



True. I should have said "made into a core teaching."



The empty form body is supposed to be different from rainbow body. TheKalachakra empty form body is apparently based on space particles.

Kirt

Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation to Kalachakra's"Empty Form body?"

Namdrol wrote:


deepbluehum wrote:Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body is only ofparticular importance to Dzogchen. Few other teachings lineages discussit.

deepbluehum wrote:











It is a core teaching of Kagyu and Sakya as well.



That's apparently open to interpretation. Rainbow Body is irrelevant for some in theseschools.




Namdrol wrote:


deepbluehum wrote:Please keep in mind that the concept of Rainbow Body isonly of particular importance to Dzogchen. Few otherteachings lineages discuss it.

Namdrol wrote:

It is a core teaching of Kagyu and Sakya as well.

deepbluehum wrote:


Namdrol wrote:












No, it isn't.

Rainbow body is a central concern in Lamdre as well as Yogini.

It is also a central topic in Cakrasamvara literature as well.

This is heading off topic.


Re: Christian explorations of Rainbow Body (#p56911)by kirtu » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:55 pm

deepbluehum wrote:

That's apparently open to interpretation.

Rainbow Body is irrelevant for some in these schools.

alwayson wrote:

They claim this, but the actual process is similar or same to other HYT. Mycomment is based on Glen Mullin's book.

So why would the result be different?

The only slight difference is that something goes on in the forehead region. Yousee a squiggly line or something.

Does anyone know what that is about? Mullin does not really explain it.

kirtu wrote:

The empty form body is supposed to be different from rainbow body.The Kalachakra empty form body is apparently based on space particles.

Kirt

conebeckham wrote:Anyone want to talk about Rainbow Body in relation toKalachakra's "Empty Form body?"







Which Mullin book is this?

Kirt



His kalachakra book obviously.

Unless he has more than one?



Well, without getting into why, I agree with some of your points while I respectfully disagreewith others. But a nuanced discussion of Rainbow Body's role in the several lineages would beinteresting. Perhaps someone will want to open that up.

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Namdrol wrote:

No, it isn't.

Rainbow body is a central concern in Lamdre as well as Yogini.

It is also a central topic in Cakrasamvara literature as well.

This is heading off topic.

deepbluehum wrote:

That's apparently open to interpretation.

Rainbow Body is irrelevant for some in these schools.









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