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satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p56931)by rishi » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:46 pm

Hi Everybody,

Not sure if this is the appropriate forum but will dive in.

I'm interested in knowing more about what you think and feel, or resources that can tietogether, or distinguish the Hindu concept of shakti, and it's manifestation in Pali andBuddhism, satti.

I was referred over from dw .com and had also asked there: No, I haven't seen it equivocatedinto Pali or Buddhism, however the idea of shakti as in shaktipat, and transmission of divineor spiritual energy, I seem to recollect, and this is often termed empowerment from the (socalled) Buddhist side.

I was replied to that perhaps, Tantric, Vajrayana and maybe even Shingon/Tendai tradiitonscould be telling.

So that brings this more into focus; how, what and where do we know about empowermentand transmission similar to this?

Thanks,

Risi

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Re: satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p56937)by deepbluehum » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:03 pm

To understand the difference between Hindu shakti and Buddhism, you need to study theBuddhist notions of the skandhas, dhatus and ayatanas. These ideas preclude the existence ofdivine energy. The Shivaite's basically ascribe to the Sankhya view which asserts a trulyexistent dualism. Based on this view, they ascribe to the power of "consciousness" to blessothers with its energy through the guru's experience. Abhisheka in tantric Buddhism isdifferent, because the purpose is for the student to experience the lack of true existence inthe experiences of the skandhas, dhatus and ayatanas. In Abhisheka, the transference ofblessings does not happen do to a transfer of energy but through dependent origination.

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Re: satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p56941)by rishi » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:12 pm

Thanks now we're geting somewhere. I'm not so stuck on terms so "divine" can be questioned,and your answer would mean that any non‐physical entity, would have no effect on a human,as such a Bodhisattva would be a mere concept, no?

Also, could you break out what you mean by dependent origination?

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Re: satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p56950)by Virgo » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:07 pm

Is not the same.

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Re: satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p56958)by deepbluehum » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:43 pm

I don't follow your reasoning. I recommend you hit Google for dependent origination. There'stons of material you can read.

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Re: satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p56960)by alwayson » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:48 pm

The commonalities between Hinduism and Buddhism are found in the chakras and channelssuch as the sushumna / avadhuti.

the Hindu concept of shakti, and it's manifestation in Pali and Buddhism, satti.

rishi wrote:Thanks now we're geting somewhere. I'm not so stuck on terms so "divine" can bequestioned, and your answer would mean that any non‐physical entity, wouldhave no effect on a human, as such a Bodhisattva would be a mere concept, no?

Also, could you break out what you mean by dependent origination?

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Pranayama is also similar.

But the concept of Shakti is a little different, unless you are defining Shakti as somethinggoing up the center channel. Only then would it be similar.

Of course the view of dependent origination, from the Buddhist side, is also different.

This is just my understanding being raised Hindu, and now Buddhist.

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Re: satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p57026)by rishi » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:55 am

Yes, I would say shakti could go up the central channel, but so could generic prana/ pana.

Thanks for your responses everyone. Is any of this discussed in source literature, or is itsecondary and culturally, traditionally attached to a specific region of Buddhism?

Also, if I ask this on another forum variety of Buddhism (e.g., Tibetan) might I get anotheranswer?

Rishi

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Re: satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p57062)by alwayson » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:41 pm

If your goal is find similarities between Hinduism and Buddhism, I just told you.

They have the same channels, chakras, yogas, pranayamas.

Click on this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Completion_Stage(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Completion_Stage)

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Re: satti (shakti) concept in Pali (#p57109)by rishi » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:55 pm

Also differences, correspondences, resources, source references, etc.

Thanks

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