R&Y focus group2011

Rose & Young Focus Group 1

Rose & Young

Nov 16th 2011

ABC/ Rose & Young Focus GroupJulia Church

Andrew Browne

Malcolm Clark

Simon Flatt

Marc Hansen

Chris Windridge


Rose & Young


Rose & Young to Date

John Young R&Y

Mercedes

Early 1980’s

Built 1930’s

Caterham Motor Co

Rootes Family

R&Y moves to Redhill 1994


Rose & Young to DateNov 2000

Cat Properties Buy R&Y site

£1.4M

1996/2001

TDC Development Brief

McAlpine & Hillier Parker

1997 Planning for Office3,400 M2.

4 flrs parking

Bought & sold during town

study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat

Prop


Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at

£600K by TDC




£1.4M

1996/2001


McAlpine & Hillier Parker2004/ 2006 Demolition

threat & Condition

actions by TDC. Fine.

ABC formed in

2006. Survey

2007 Backsaction

Nov 2003 Office

Planning RenewedWC issue

Client walks


£600K by TDC


Rose & Young to Date2008. New

‘Mixed Use” rumours.

Social Housing provision hits

& talk of splitting site.

Switch of contact to

Powers

Oct 2008R&Y listed in

Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub

plans stall.

Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others.

“Power” says he is in charge and “The

Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to

be submitted. Appears to be a

significantly larger development

Bank of Ireland

£1.9M loan & NAMA.

Localism Bill & Plan

Oct 09/11Recent talks with owner,

GB + 1.

CPO to force issue?




£1.4M

John Young R&Y

Mercedes

Early 1980’s

Built 1930’s

Caterham Motor Co

Rootes Family

1996/2001


McAlpine & Hillier Parker2004/ 2006 Demolition

threat & Condition

actions by TDC. Fine.

ABC formed in

2006. Survey

2007 Backsaction

1997 Planning for Office3,400 M2.

4 flrs parking

Bought & sold during town

study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat

Prop


Nov 2003 Office

Planning RenewedWC issue

Client walks


£600K by TDC

2008. New ‘Mixed Use”

rumours. Social Housing provision hits

& talk of splitting site.

Switch of contact to

Powers

Oct 2008R&Y listed in

Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub

plans stall.

Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others.

“Power” says he is in charge and “The

Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to

be submitted. Appears to be a

significantly larger development

Bank of Ireland

£1.9M loan & NAMA.

Localism Bill & Plan

Oct 09/11Recent talks with owner,

GB + 1.

CPO to force issue?


Rose & Young

Present & Future

• Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, ownership Queries and owners unresponsive to market enquiries.

• No rates• Damage to town• Lost opportunity


Obstacles

• Owners and ownership/Deadlock• Planning consent• Change of use & scale?• Lack of Leadership from TDC• Councils experience of CPO• Money• Climate


Possible Solutions

• Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise

• CPO process initiated to unblock situation• Owner sells to a +ve developer• Neighbourhood plan backs action• CPO backed by TDC, with funding options

available.• Any other feasible uses?


Other ideas

• Mixed use• Showroom• Listing/heritage• Health/Hotel/Cinema/Hub/Start up units

• Temporary– Wall art– Car park

• Bigger Picture - Planning land swap - Joint Venture


How can Councillors help?

• Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO• Build confidence and pressure on colleagues for

action• Be Community champions• Councillors to push for higher priority & profile

Let’s make it happen


Next steps

• Share info with Planning• TDC start to be pro-active.

– Town Centre working group? – TDC get legal view on CPO viability– Planners to push for visibility of plans or face consequences

(CPO)– commercial assessment?

• Wall art, plans or other community/clean up• A Neighbourhood Plan is coming

• Ask for a meeting with owner, with TDC, councillors and town group.

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