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Rose & Young Focus Group 1
Rose & Young
Nov 16th 2011
ABC/ Rose & Young Focus GroupJulia Church
Andrew Browne
Malcolm Clark
Simon Flatt
Marc Hansen
Chris Windridge
Images by Simon Flatt
Rose & Young Focus Group 2
Rose & Young
Rose & Young Focus Group 3
Rose & Young
Rose & Young Focus Group 4
Rose & Young
Rose & Young Focus Group 5
Rose & Young
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Rose & Young
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Rose & Young
Rose & Young Focus Group 8
Rose & Young
Rose & Young Focus Group 9
Rose & Young to Date
John Young R&Y
Mercedes
Early 1970’s
Built 1930’s
Caterham Motor Co
Rootes Family
R&Y moves to Redhill 1994
Rose & Young Focus Group 10
Rose & Young to DateNov 2000
Cat Properties Buy R&Y site
£1.4M
1996/2001
TDC Development Brief
McAlpine & Hillier Parker
1997 Planning for Office3,400 M2.
4 flrs parking
Bought & sold during town
study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat
Prop
R&Y moves to Redhill 1994
Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at
£600K by TDC
Rose & Young Focus Group 11
Rose & Young to DateNov 2000
Cat Properties Buy R&Y site
£1.4M
1996/2001
TDC Development Brief
McAlpine & Hillier Parker2004/ 2006 Demolition
threat & Condition
actions by TDC. Fine.
ABC formed in
2006. Survey
2007 Backsaction
Nov 2003 Office
Planning RenewedWC issue
Client walks
Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at
£600K by TDC
Rose & Young Focus Group 12
Rose & Young to Date2008. New
‘Mixed Use” rumours.
Social Housing provision hits
& talk of splitting site.
Switch of contact to
Powers
Oct 2008R&Y listed in
Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub
plans stall.
Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others.
“Power” says he is in charge and “The
Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to
be submitted. Appears to be a
significantly larger development
Bank of Ireland
£1.9M loan & NAMA.
Localism Bill & Plan
Oct 09/11Recent talks with owner,
GB + 1.
CPO to force issue?
Rose & Young Focus Group 13
Rose & Young to DateNov 2000
Cat Properties Buy R&Y site
£1.4M
John Young R&Y
Mercedes
Early 1980’s
Built 1930’s
Caterham Motor Co
Rootes Family
1996/2001
TDC Development Brief
McAlpine & Hillier Parker2004/ 2006 Demolition
threat & Condition
actions by TDC. Fine.
ABC formed in
2006. Survey
2007 Backsaction
1997 Planning for Office3,400 M2.
4 flrs parking
Bought & sold during town
study. Young sells for £900K Resold to Cat
Prop
R&Y moves to Redhill 1994
Nov 2003 Office
Planning RenewedWC issue
Client walks
Early 1999 Lampshade site not accquired at
£600K by TDC
2008. New ‘Mixed Use”
rumours. Social Housing provision hits
& talk of splitting site.
Switch of contact to
Powers
Oct 2008R&Y listed in
Core Strategy. LDF Approved 2010. SCC Hub
plans stall.
Action Group formed July 2009. Approach to 6 developers in 2010. Continuing contact with potential investors. GB Solns possible + others.
“Power” says he is in charge and “The
Owner”. He & agent seen in town and claim plans to
be submitted. Appears to be a
significantly larger development
Bank of Ireland
£1.9M loan & NAMA.
Localism Bill & Plan
Oct 09/11Recent talks with owner,
GB + 1.
CPO to force issue?
Rose & Young Focus Group 14
Rose & Young
Present & Future
• Conclusion 17 yrs being empty, no current planning consent, ownership Queries and owners unresponsive to market enquiries.
• No rates• Damage to town• Lost opportunity
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Obstacles
• Owners and ownership/Deadlock• Planning consent• Change of use & scale?• Lack of Leadership from TDC• Councils experience of CPO• Money• Climate
Rose & Young Focus Group 16
Possible Solutions
• Owner develops themselves - forced or otherwise
• CPO process initiated to unblock situation• Owner sells to a +ve developer• Neighbourhood plan backs action• CPO backed by TDC, with funding options
available.• Any other feasible uses?
Rose & Young Focus Group 17
Other ideas
Temporary– Wall art– Car park
Bigger Picture– Planning land swap
Joint Venture
• Mixed use• Showroom• Listing/heritage• Health/Hotel/Cinema Hub/Start up units
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How can Councillors help?
• Endorse getting an opinion by Tandridge on CPO• Build confidence and pressure on colleagues for
action• Be Community champions• Councillors to push for higher priority & profile
Let’s make it happen
Rose & Young Focus Group 19
Next steps
• Share info with Planning• TDC start to be pro-active.
– Town Centre working group? – TDC get legal view on CPO viability– Planners to push for visibility of plans or face consequences
(CPO)– commercial assessment?
• Wall art, plans or other community/clean up• A Neighbourhood Plan is coming
• Ask for a meeting with owner, with TDC, councillors and town group.