Rongotai Road consultation November...

70 public submissions received

Rongotai Road consultationNovember 2017

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Submission Name Onbehalfof: Suburb Page

1 Aaron Individual IslandBay 3

2 Alastair Individual AroValley 4

3 Alex Individual LyallBay 5

4 Andrew Individual Kilbirnie 6

5 AndrewBartlett Individual StrathmorePark 7

6 AndrewR Individual Newtown 8

7 Anon Individual Hataitai 9

8 AshleyDunstan Individual Kilbirnie 10

9 Ben Individual Newtown 11

10 BridgetteWard Individual Miramar 12

11 Car_driver Individual Hataitai 13

12 CarlHowarth Individual Newtown 14

13 Caroline Individual Hataitai 15

14 CathBlakely Individual Vogeltown 16

15 Catherine Individual Kilbirnie 17

16 Chris Individual Brooklyn 18

17 DanHunt Individual Hataitai 19

18 DermotCoffey Individual Other 20

19 DrMarionLeightonDoctorsforActive,SafeTransport Newtown 21

20 EleanorMeecham CycleAwareWellington IslandBay 22

21 EleonoraDeCrescenzo Individual Newtown 23

22 Frances Individual StrathmorePark 24

23 GeorgeSederis Individual Hataitai 25

24 hadenough Individual Hataitai 26

25 Isabella Individual Other 27

26 James Individual Brooklyn 28

27 JamesBarber Individual Newtown 29

28JoMorrisforKilbirnieBusinessNetworkInc KIlbirnieBusinessNetworkInc KarakaBays 30

29 John Individual Kilbirnie 31

30 JonathanBlack Individual Newtown 32

31 JonathanCoakley Individual Melrose 33

32 JuliaBurgess Individual Hataitai 34

33 K.Tijsen Individual Kilbirnie 35

34 KathHaines Individual Newtown 36

35 Keith Individual Newtown 37

36 KirstenWindelov Individual Rongotai 38

37 Kit&KenBurford Individual Seatoun 39

38 Kylie Individual Other 40

39 LindsayEaton Individual LyallBay 41

40 MarkCoburn Individual MountVictoria 42

41 MarkJohnston Individual Melrose 43

42 MikeMellor Individual Seatoun 44

43 MurrayGrindlay Individual Kilbirnie 45

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44 NeelishBudhia Individual Kilbirnie 46

45 NickT Individual Newtown 47

46 NickWarren Individual Other 48

47 NikArtemiev Individual Kilbirnie 49

48 PatrickMorgan Individual Newtown 50

49 PeteBurtonwood Individual Wadestown 51

50 Peter Individual Hataitai 52

51 PhillipK Individual Kilbirnie 53

52 RJohns Individual Kilbirnie 54

53 RameshJivan Individual Kilbirnie 55

54 RhedynLaw Individual Newtown 56

55 Richard Individual LyallBay 57

56 RonBeernink Individual Other 58

57 RonMcGann Individual Vogeltown 59

58 RossPetherick Individual StrathmorePark 60

59 SallyElizabeth Individual Miramar 61

60 SamSomers Individual Newtown 62

61 SharonRumsey Individual LyallBay 63

62 stevestewart Individual Notanswered 64

63 Teresa Individual Hataitai 65

64 ThomasO Individual AroValley 66

65 TimJenkins Individual Wilton 67

66 TimothyPeterSpellacey Individual Kilbirnie 68

67 TomMacDiarmid Individual Kilbirnie 69

68 TracyF Individual StrathmorePark 70

69 VivienWard Individual Kilbirnie 71

70 YvonneWeeber Individual LyallBay 72

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RongotaiRoadconsultation

Submission 1

NAME: SUBURB: ONBEHALFOF: ORALPRESENTATION:

Aaron IslandBay Individual Notapplicable

Overallsupport Overall,doyousupporttheproposalforbikelanesandtheassociatedchangesonRongotaiRoad?Yes

Comments:Notanswered

Networkimportance

Howimportantisittomaketheseimprovementsaspartofasafercity-widecyclingnetwork?Veryimportant

Comments:Akeyarterialroute

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ArethereanyothercommentsyouwouldliketomakeabouttheproposedchangestoRongotaiRoad?


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Submission 2


Alastair AroValley Individual Notapplicable


Comments:-Plentyofspaceforaseparatedcyclewayhere.-Asit'sanarterialroute,carparkingshouldnotbeapriority.-IfYuleandTeWhitistreetsaretobebikeroutessouth,needtothinkthroughhoweastboundbikesonRongotaireachthemcomfortably.

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Howimportantisittomaketheseimprovementsaspartofasafercity-widecyclingnetwork?Important


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Submission 3


Alex LyallBay Individual Notapplicable

Overallsupport Overall,doyousupporttheproposalforbikelanesandtheassociatedchangesonRongotaiRoad?No

Comments:WhyisCouncilintentonkillingoffourlocalshoppingcentresbyremovingparking.WiththeGWRCbushubchangestherewillbeevenmoreparkslost.PutadualcyclelanedownthemiddleofRongataiRdandchangethelightsatOnepuRd.

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Howimportantisittomaketheseimprovementsaspartofasafercity-widecyclingnetwork?Lowimportance


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Submission 4


Andrew Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 5


AndrewBartlett StrathmorePark Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Thislookslikeaseniblesetofchangesonthiswidebutbusyroad.I'mverygladtoseeaprotectedcyclewayhere.

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Comments:Thisisakeylinktotheroutetonewtownandfromtheairporttunnel.

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Comments:Sortingouttheaccessthoughtheshopswillbekeyinthelongterm,therearelotsofbusmovementsonthisroute.

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Submission 6


AndrewR Newtown Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 7


Anon Hataitai Individual Notapplicable


Comments:ThelossofturninglanetosidestreetssuchasMahorawhentravellingeastwillcausetraffickaos.Astheuseofthecyclelaneisnotcompulsory,cycliststhatprefertorideoftheroadwillimpededtrafficflow.Theroadnarrowingwillbedangerousgiventhelargenumberoftrucksthatusethisroute.

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Howimportantisittomaketheseimprovementsaspartofasafercity-widecyclingnetwork?Notimportant

Comments:Prioritisepublictransportthanbenefitsallpeopleregardlessofleveloffitness

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Submission 8


AshleyDunstan Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Agooddesignthatwilleventuallybeuseful.Atpresentitdoesn'treallyleadanywhere-apedestrian/cyclistoverpassisrequiredtoconnecttoMiramar.Orwoulditreallybesobadtohaveatrafficlight?

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Howimportantisittomaketheseimprovementsaspartofasafercity-widecyclingnetwork?Moderatelyimportant

Comments:EventuallycouldbeagoodaccesswaytoCobhabdrive/bays

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Comments:Thereisalotofspaceonthisroadanditgetsblockedupinmornings,causingbusdelays.Shouldsomeofthevergebeusedtocreateabuslane?

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Submission 9


Ben Newtown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Thisdesignlooksliekamuchsaferoptionforcyclists.Goaheadwithit.

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Submission 10


BridgetteWard Miramar Individual Notapplicable


Comments:TheIslandBaycyclewayneedstobefixedfirsttoensurethatKilbirniedoesn'tendupwiththesamedangerousroadway.

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Comments:RongotaiRoadhashighlevelsoftrafficincludingmanyheavyvehicles

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Submission 11


Car_driver Hataitai Individual Notapplicable


Comments:TrafficconjestionisjustnutsheadingintoKilbirneduetonewbollardsoutsideofPackandSave.Withthesechanges,itwillbeequallybadintheotherdirection.Whydoescouncilsupportthisagendatogetridofresidentparkingforafewcyclists.Letthemrideonthefootpath,ortakesomeofthegreenmediumspacetooffsetaddedbikelanes

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Submission 12


CarlHowarth Newtown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Goodsolutionforthiswideroadandimportantroute.WillcontributetomakecyclingsaferandmoreaccessibleinWellington,whichisgoodnewsforthosewhomustdrive.

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Submission 13


Caroline Hataitai Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Greatdesign-Iwillfinallyfeelsaferidingwithmykidsaroundhere!

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Submission 14


CathBlakely Vogeltown Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 15


Catherine Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Whyareyouwreckinganothericonicstreet.Thiswasprobablybuiltforthe1940CentennialExhibitionintheglorydaysofRongotai.Nowyouwillradicallychangeit,withanexpensivewhiteelephantcycleway.Irarelyseeacyclistonthisstreet.Notbecauseit'sunsafebutbecausecyclistschooseotherroutes.Howdoallthenew'lessconfident'cyclistscrossintoTeWhitiStandYulest?Thiswillbeanotheremptywasteofmoney.Youjustneedtoenhanceandimprovethecurrentmarkup.Whichworksjustfine.

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Comments:Retainandimprovethecurrentlayout.Don'tremoveparkinganywhereunlessyouaremakingprovisionelsewhereforworkersinKilbirnie,commuterswhoparkandride,shoppers.Yourproposalwillendupbeingrarelyusedandwillcreateanotherdisruptedandresentfulcommunity.

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Comments:Thestreetworksfineasitis.Don'tmesswithit,ashappenedwithIslandBayParade.Otherwise,youmayhavetogototheexpenseofputtingitback!

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Submission 16


Chris Brooklyn Individual Notapplicable

Overallsupport Overall,doyousupporttheproposalforbikelanesandtheassociatedchangesonRongotaiRoad?Yes,butwithchanges

Comments:Looksquiteinconsistent.Somegreen,somered,somegrey,somesharrows.

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Submission 17


DanHunt Hataitai Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 18


DermotCoffey Other Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Iagreewiththekerbsidecyclewaysasplannedbutwouldliketorecommendraisingthecyclewaysastheycrosstheintersectionswiththesidestreets(Mahora,Yule,Rossetc)toslowmotortrafficapproachingtheintersectionsandtomakeitclearthepriorityisgiventocyclists

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Submission 19


DrMarionLeighton Newtown DoctorsforActive,SafeTransport

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Comments:TheareabytheshopsinKilbirnieneedsmoreworktomakeitobviouslyasharedspaceforallroadandpavementusers.Itisverycongestedandoftencarsperformdangerousmanoevres.Thebusstopisparticularlydangerousforbikesastheroadisnarrowthere.

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Comments:Thisisamaincommuterrouteandvitaltohaveseparatedcyclewaysthewholelength.Novicecyclistsareverynervouswhenthecyclewaystopsandstarts.

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Comments:1.Maketheshopsareamoreshared-possiblypaintingthewholeroadgreenwithbigbikeandbusmarkingstoalertcardriverstothesharednatureofthespace.Educatethebusdriversonbeingcourteousandsafearoundcyclists.2.maketheturningfromRongotairoadintothecuttingtothestadiumflushwiththeroad.Havinga3-7cmbump(asisoftenthecasewithWellingtondriveways)isverydangerousandcausesaccidentsandflattyres.3.AtYulestreetandTeWhiti,reduceparkingasIdon'tthinkturningdriverswillbeabletoseecyclistsifthereareparkedcarsthereandcouldcauseanaccident.4.Makeitclearwhohasrightofwayatthebusstops.

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Submission 20


EleanorMeecham IslandBay CycleAwareWellington Notapplicable


Comments:TheoverallsolutionforRongotaiRoadlookslikeagoodimprovementonthecurrentsituation.Werecommendaddingraisedtableswhereverthebikelanecrossesthemouthofaroad,toslowtrafficandmakeitclearthatbikeshavepriorityoverturningvehicles.Wherebikelanespassbesidebusstopsandpeopleonbikesmustsharewithwalkers,pleasepaintthetarmacsolidredandaddgivewaysignsandholdrailsforbikes,asyou’vedoneonVictoriaStreetintheCBD.Welookforwardtoyourevisitingthedesignofbikinginfrastructureattheshoppingcentreonceyou’vehadmoretimetoengagewithlocalsandbusinesses.TheintersectionwithEvansBayParadeandOnepuRoadisalsoverycomplexandneedsmorethought.There’spotentialhereformoreprotectedlanes,andmorecarefulengineeringtoslowtrafficandmakethisspacelessintimidatingforpeopleonbikes.

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Submission 21


EleonoraDeCrescenzo Newtown Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 22


Frances StrathmorePark Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Aseparatecyclewaywillbeexcellentbutatpresentthemostdangeroussectionisunchanged-thesectionnearKilbirnieshopsandaroundthebusstop.Pavements,cyclewayandroadsmustbeclearlydifferentiatedincolour,withphysicalbarrierswherepossible.

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Comments:Ifyoubuildit,theywillcome.

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Submission 23


GeorgeSederis Hataitai Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Adaptingthisabsurdlywidelocalstreettobetterreflectalltrafficmovements(inlcudingcyclists&pedestrians),isagreatstart.Separatedcyclewayswillprovideformorecyclistusage/uptake.Makesurethecyclepathsareabletobekeptcleanofdebris/sweptinaregularway.

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Comments:Anintegratednetworkforcyclistsensureswiderupdate(ieyoudon'ttravelreasonabledistancesonabikeifyouaretravellingonadisjointednetwork-thissolutionhelpsavoidthat).

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Comments:I'mnotsuretheseparatedcyclinggoesfarenoughintheretailshoppingarea-itdoesn'tlookthatsafe,anditiswherethemostcomplextrafficmovementsoccur.Inthelongtermitwouldbegoodtorationalisedownthecomplexroadnetwork,sinceonlyahandfulofbusseswillnowbeusingthisarea.ThingslikesimplifyingtheOnepuRoad/EvansBayParade/RongotaiRoadinterectionbeingtheprimeexample!Thecurrentsetupencouragesfastmovingtraffic,whereasitshouldbedoingtheopposite.Iappreciateitisahangoverfromtrams/largebuses,butitwouldbegoodtochangethisarea.

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Submission 24


hadenough Hataitai Individual Notapplicable



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Comments:Youneverprovideanyevidenceofcurrentcyclingnumbersorstatisticsaboutaccidents,sothereisnowayofknowingifthereisanypointtothesechanges.

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Comments:Howwillbusesbeaffected?Willyouforcecycliststousethenewcyclelanesorwilltheystillgowherevertheypleaseonfootpathsandcarriageway?

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Submission 25


Isabella Other Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Thislooksgreat-I'dfeelwaysaferridingalonghere.

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Submission 26


James Brooklyn Individual Notapplicable



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Comments:Pleaseuseraisedtablestoslowtrafficatsidestreetsnexttothebikelane.Wherebikelanespassbesidebusstopsandpeopleonbikesmustsharewithwalkers,pleaseusesolidredcolouringandaddgivewaysignsandholdrailsforbikes,asyou’vedoneonVictoriaStreetintheCBD.Pleaserevisittheroadthroughtheshoppingareawhenyoucan-thisneedsmeaningfulimprovementstoo!

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Submission 27


JamesBarber Newtown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Thisisamajorroadwayandneedsseparatecyclinginfrastructureforsafetyreasons.

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Comments:Safetyisahugeconcernonabusyroadlikethisone.

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Submission 28


JoMorrisforKilbirnieBusinessNetworkInc

KarakaBays KIlbirnieBusinessNetworkInc

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Kilbirnie Business Network Inc

PO Box 14-356, Kilbirnie, Wellington 6421 www.kilbirnie.org.nz [email protected]

CyclewaySubmissionfromKilbirnieBusinessNetworkInc.

ThissubmissionfocusesontheproposedKilbirniecyclewayandtheseissues:

• thedetrimentalimpactoncarparking

• cyclistsafety

• provisionofcyclistfacilities

• lackofconsultationwiththeBIDand

• cycleway/roaddesign.

Ourprimaryconcernistheproposedcycleway’sseriousimpactonKilbirniebusinessesbyitsreduction

offreeon-streetparkingonRongotaiRoad(fromRossStreet)andupCrawfordRoadtoDuncanTerrace.

In that limited area alone, the current proposal eliminates 37 carparks and does not provide any

alternativesnormentiontheneedforalternatives.

If theWCC believes that such a major change is needed because the current roading and parking

arrangementsposeathreatofinjurytocyclists(thoughweareunawareofdatatosupportthis),then

theperceivedthreatcouldsurelybereducedbyothermeans-egreducingthespeedlimitinandaround

Kilbirnie.

We are extremely concerned that theWCCmight proceedwith a plan that eliminates a significant

proportion of Kilbirnie's free parking, which is relied on by Kilbirnie retail/business staff and our

customers.Suchaproposal,webelieve,isentirelycontrarytotheWCC’sandourBID’ssharedgoalof

growingKilbirnie'sbusinessesbyenhancingKilbirnie’sreputationasadestinationforconsumersofretail

andotherservices.AndifitisthoughtthatthecyclewaywillmakeKilbirnieadestinationforcyclists-

notmerelyathoroughfare-thenwebelievethecyclewayproposalshouldincludeprovisionforthe

WCCtoinstallmultiplecyclestandsintheshoppingdistrict,inlocationsagreedwiththeBID.

WeconsiderthattheWCChasnotgivendueweighttothefactthatmanyofthepeople(probablyalmost

all)who rely on all day free parking in Kilbirnie cannot cycle to Kilbirnie towork or to shop/use its

services. Many do not live locally, many are elderly or not able-bodied and many have family

commitmentswhichrequiretheuseofacartodropoff/pickupchildrenbeforeorafterwork.Itisour

firmviewthatthelimitednumberofpeoplewhowilluseacyclewayareveryunlikelytobringadditional

customers or employees to Kilbirnie. Instead the proposed cycleway will deter employees and

customersfromworkingandshoppinginKilbirnie,contrarytothegoalofgrowingKilbirnie’sbusinesses.

In light of the relationship between WCC and our BID, and the fact that we represent some 250

businessesinthearea,wearealsoveryconcernedthattherehasbeennoattemptbyWCCtoconsult

usabouttheproposedcycleway.Norhastherebeen,toourknowledge,anyattemptbyWCCtoanalyse

the combined effect on Kilbirnie businesses of the (now-approved) bus hub plan and the proposed

cycleway.ItseemsthatmajorproposalsaffectingKilbirniearebeingdevelopedinisolationfromone

anotherandwithlittleregardfortheirpermanenteffectsonthelivelihoodsofKilbirniebusinessowners

and their employees. Indeed, on a broader note, there appears to be no overall strategic plan for

cyclewaydevelopmentinWellingtonandnosoundbusinesscaseforit.

Finallywerecordourfirmviewthatanycyclewayneedstobelocatedtotherightofparkedcars-not

besidethefootpathwithcarparkstotherightofthecycleway.

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Submission 29


John Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Spaceisimportantfordriverstomakedecisions.Thisroadiswide,wideenoughforbothformsoftraffic.I'malsoworriedforpedestriansparticularlychildrenwhonowhavetododgetwomovingzonesoftrafficratherthanlookingonceleftandrightbeforecrossingtheroadaspereveryothernormalsituationaroundthecountry.LotsofkidsusethisroadduetotheseveraltournamentsheldatasbandheadingtoPakandKilbernieforfood

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Comments:Allowbikeriderstouseroadslessfrequentlyusedbytraffic

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Submission 30


JonathanBlack Newtown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Whydoesn'tthebikelanegodownthemiddleinthemediumstrip.Surelythatwouldbesaferforthebikerandeasierforthedriversgoinginandoutofdrivewaysandoutofsideroads.Theroadsectionsthatdirectthemediumstripcouldberaisedandbikershaverightofway.Eventhecostwouldbeless!Thereshouldn'tbeanyneedtoloosemanyparkseither!

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Comments:Surelyyouaregoingtoremovethepolesandputthewiresundergroundwhileyouareatit?

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Submission 31


JonathanCoakley Melrose Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 32


JuliaBurgess Hataitai Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 33


K.Tijsen Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:WithallofthosecarparksthataregoingtogoonRongotaiRoadtherewillbeevenlessoffstreetparkingnowforusresidents.AsitisPaknSaveworkersandbuscommutersparkinthemsowealreadyarelimited.Thisdesignwillmakeithardtobackoutofourdrivewaystoo.ItremindsmeoftheIslandBaycycleway.Notgoodatall!

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Comments:Ijustdon'tseetheneedforacyclewayonRongotaiRoadthatwon'tbeused.Wedon'tseeanycyclistsridingpastourhouseasitis.Thereisalreadyacyclewayouttherenow.Whyputanewoneinthatwillimpactusbigtime!?

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Comments:Trafficcongestionisalreadybadalongourroad.Ifyouputinthissillycyclewayitwillimpactusevenmore.It'shardenoughtryingtogetoutontotheroadinthemorningswithoutthenewcycleway.Itwillbeterribleifthenewonegetsputinthere.AwasteofmoneyIsay.ItwillbeanotherIslandBaycyclewaythatisnotworking!!

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Submission 34


KathHaines Newtown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Doit!

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Submission 35


Keith Newtown Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 36


KirstenWindelov Rongotai Individual Notapplicable


Comments:HopefullythiswillbesafeenoughforkidsandencouragemirroredkidsfromEBISandthecollege'stobiketoschool.Alsogoodtoslowthetraffichereasit'sabiteofaracetrackattimes

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Comments:AnywayofmakingtheSelakstreetcornersafer?

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Submission 37


Kit&KenBurford Seatoun Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Thisisaverybusytrafficarea.Thisproposestoreduce2laneseachwayforcars/busestoonelaneeachway.Onceagain,themajority(carusers)arebeingshovedasideforcyclists.Couldsomeofthecentralgreenstripbeusedforeithercarlanesorcarparks.Ofcourse,thisdoesnotconsiderthesectionbetweenCrawfordRdandOneouRd.Thematerialsaysthisneeds'furtherdiscussion'.Inotherwords,thereisnoplanfordealingwiththissectionandwearebeinghandedabig'trustme'bythecouncilforthissection.Neveragoodlook!

Networkimportance

Howimportantisittomaketheseimprovementsaspartofasafercity-widecyclingnetwork?Moderatelyimportant

Comments:Ifwehavetohavecycleways,theyhavetobemadetowork,butnotconstantlyattheexpenseofmotoristsandbusinesspeopleandpublictransportuserswhowilllosecarparksineveryproposal.ItwouldbegoodifasmuchresourceasisgoingintothesecyclewayswasbeingappliedtofixthetunnelsituationforthemanymanymotoristswhotrytogetfromtheEasternSuburbstothecity.

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Submission 38


Kylie Other Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Cyclelanesneedtobephysicallyseparatedandraisedtofootpathleveltodetervehiclesparkinginthelanesbetweenbarriers

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Submission 39


LindsayEaton LyallBay Individual Notapplicable


Comments:IthinkthattheCouncilshouldlearnfromIslandBayandnotputcyclelanesontheinsideofparkingspaces-evenwiththeproposedamendments.Itwon'tworkandpeoplewon'tlikeit.Thetraditionaldesignofcyclelanesnexttotheroadwayistriedandtestedandworksmuchbetter.

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Submission 40


MarkCoburn MountVictoria Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 41


MarkJohnston Melrose Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Therearecurrentlynoconsiderationsatallforpeopleonbikeswishingtomakearight-turnfromeithersideofRongotaiRoad.PeopleonbikesgoingeastwardsfromRongotaiRoad'sintersectionwithOnepu/EvansBayhavezeromarkingsoncetheycrossthelights.IhaveincludedaPDFattachmenttobetterillustratemypoint.

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This junction does not cater at all for people on bikes.

As the plan stands, there is no provision for people on bikes going in the directions indicated by the red arrows.

1 - People on bikes could at least have a lane stretching around this corner followed by sharrows that take them to the next set of traffic lights.

2 - Most importantly of the three, people on bikes should be able to use the hashed area, which presumably helps motorists maintain speed onto Rongotai Road from Evans Bay Pde, while still seeing approaching vehicles from their right. Considering redesigning this part of the junction so that motorists must slow down and look properly for other motorists and other people using the road. At the very least to improve it for people on bikes, provide road markings to help them get to the protected lane.

3 - People on bikes making this signalled right turn should be heading onto a road that provides marked lanes.

This is a complex junction with many lights, and plenty of traffic. Cycle-advance signals such as the one in use at Abel-Smith/Victoria Sts in the CBD should be considered.

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Submission 42


MikeMellor Seatoun Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Thereshouldbetwoimprovements:a)makingtheOnepu/Rongotai/EvansBaycrossingsafeforcyclistsandpedestrians(currentlyitisverytrickytogetbetweenKilbirniecentreandthepolicestation/Resene/Placemakers,andtheproblemwillbeworsewiththenewbushub),andb)extendingthecyclewayalongTroySttocreatetheobvious,logicallinktoCobhamDriveandMiramarshops,withasafecrossingoftheformerforcyclistsandpedestrians.

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Submission 43


MurrayGrindlay Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:RemembertheIslandBayfiasco!Kerbsidecyclelanesaredangerous.Presentarrangementisfine.

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Comments:Leavethingsastheyare!

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Submission 44


NeelishBudhia Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Whataretheconsiderationsforrubbishcollectionandmanagementwithregardstothecycleway.HowwillresidentcarparkingbemanagedduringthewinterwhentheareaisclutteredwithpeopleparkinghereduetolackofparkingattheASBcentre.

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Comments:sincethegreenislandsarenotbeingconsideredaspartofthecyclewayopportunity,theseshouldbebettermanagedwithplantingandmeasuresinplacetopreventpeoplefromparkingonthem.

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Submission 45


NickT Newtown Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 46


NickWarren Other Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Iwouldlovetoseethemassivecentralreservationusedinstead-wouldn'titbebettertousethatareainsteadforalargebikepath?

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Submission 47


NikArtemiev Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:ThedesignlookslotslikethefailedIslandBaydesignanditwillfailforthesamereasons

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Comments:Weshouldn’tgoalloutandbuildamassivecyclingnetworkinWellingtonbecausethecity’stopologyandweatherdoesnotsuitit.TheIagreecyclingisagoodforyouhealth,butsoiswalking,gardening,jogging,goingtothegym,soonandsoforth.Acyclingnetworkisaluxuryandnotmandatory.Ifthesuburb/cityisrelativelyflatandhaswidestreetsthenit’seasytoargueforsomething,whenit’shilly,hasnarrowstreetsandinclementweatherthenit’sadream.PeoplecametoWellingtontoliveandwork,iftheywantedtocomeforcyclingthentheyshouldhavechosenPalmerstonNorthorsomeequallysuitableplace.

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Submission 48


PatrickMorgan Newtown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Physicalprotectionforpeopleonbikesisessentialtoappealtothe"interestedbutconcerned"riders.

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Comments:ThisisamajorconnectorforpeopleintheEasternsuburbs.

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Submission 49


PeteBurtonwood Wadestown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Iregularlyridethisrouteandthisisamuch-needed,vastimprovement.

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Comments:Safetraveloptionsforallmodesoftransportisvitalforthehealthandwellbeingofthecity.

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Submission 50


Peter Hataitai Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 51


PhillipK Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Createsextrahazardsinanalreadybusyroad,buses,pedestriansandcarsarethemainmodesoftransportinthisarea.Youareproposingaclutteredroadwaylikeislandbay,nothanks

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Comments:Whilstcyclingisagreenmodeoftransport,therearefartoomanywindydaystowarrantmassivechangestoalreadyskinnyroads.Thisonlydecreasesthespaceforcarstotravelsafely.Asitisbikeshavethespacetotravelalongsidecars,busesandtrucks.Iwouldalsoappreciatethedatatoshowhowmuchsupportthereisforthechangesbeforeagreeingtochange

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Submission 52


RJohns Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:ThisisjustacopyofwhatsgoneininIslandbay.Stupidplantohavethebikesontheinsideofthecars.

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Comments:Consideringthenumberofcarsthatusethisroadthemoneyisbetterspentelsewhere

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Submission 53


RameshJivan Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable



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Comments:MycommentsareinreferencetothediagramIhavedrawnonthefollowingpage.Iwouldliketorequestthebusstopismovedfurtherdown3metrestowardsthePak'n'savesideofRongotaiRoad(seediagram).iamaskingforthisduetopersonalhealthreasonsasIhaveacochlearimplantinoneear,andahearingaidintheother.Imustavoidtherainasitcoulddamagethesedeviceswhencominghome.Withthecurrentproposedlocationofthebusstop,thiscouldcausewaterdamageonarainingdayforexample,furthermeaningwouldnotbeabletoworkasIamataxidriverandneedtobeabletocommunicatewithmycustomers.Ifthebusstopwasfurtherfrommyhouse,Icanparkclosertomyfrontdoor.Also,IwouldappreciateifIcouldparkinfrontofmyhouse(insteadofhavingabusstopthere)asIamregularlydoingmaintenanceonmycarinordertokeepmyvehiclepresentableanduseableformyworkpurposes.Ihopeyouwilltakeintoconsiderationmypoints,andmovethebusstopawayfrominfrontofmyhouse.

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Submission 54


RhedynLaw Newtown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Thislookslikeagoodsolution.Furtherimprovementscouldbemadebyusingmorecolourtodifferentiatethecyclewayfromtheroad,andfurtherconsiderationneedstobegiventohowcyclistsandpedestriansaregoingtouseintersectionstoaccesssideroadsto/fromthesouth

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Submission 55


Richard LyallBay Individual Notapplicable


Comments:It'sthebomb!WelldoneWCC-thisisaperfectsolutiontoabusyroadthatwillmakethelinktoEBISsomuchsaferforourkids.OnesmallsuggestionwouldbetothinkaboutrelocatingtheeasternkerbbuildouttoalignwithYuleStinsteadofTeWhiti,tothenprovidethehighestsafetyforthelinktotheLeonieGillpathway

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Comments:Ourboyslovetobike,andthiswillhelpenablethemtobiketoEBIS,rugbypracticeandthepool

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Comments:Imayhavemissedit,butisthereacontinuoussaferoutefromRongotaiRoadtothepoolandrugbyfields?

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Submission 56


RonBeernink Other Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Theseparatedcyclelaneisfantastic,andshouldapplyforthewholeofthisroutetoprovidetheprotectionthatcyclistsneedalongthisbusyroad!

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Comments:Thisdesignisatemplateforprovidingsensibleseparatedcyclelanesalongbusyroads.

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Submission 57


RonMcGann Vogeltown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:ThegreensectioninfrontofthebusstopattheintersectionofRongotaiRdandBayRd(eastbound)couldperhapsbeabitlongertoavoidlargebusesencroachingontothegreencyclists'sectionandintimidatingcyclistswaitingforthetrafficsignalstochangetogreen.

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Comments:Designprovidesaseparatedcyclewayfromtrafficlanesandwillencouragenew/unconfidientcycliststostartcycling.

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Submission 58


RossPetherick StrathmorePark Individual Notapplicable

Overallsupport Overall,doyousupporttheproposalforbikelanesandtheassociatedchangesonRongotaiRoad?Notanswered


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Howimportantisittomaketheseimprovementsaspartofasafercity-widecyclingnetwork?Notanswered


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SubmissionRe“RongataiRoad–KilbirnieConnections”ReferenceNumber:TR169-17From:RossPetherick,0275429260ross.petherick@xtra.co.nzFurthertomysubmissiononCouttsStreet,IwouldalsoliketomakesomeobservationsreRongataiRoad.IamaStrathmoreParkresident,whocommutestoandfromworkintownonadailybasis.Iwouldratemyselfasaconfidentcyclist.IfindthecurrentlayoutofRongataiRoadreasonablyOK,butagreethatthereareroomforimprovements.IridethisroutebetweenStrathmoreandtheCentralCityallyearroundatleast2-4timesaweekinbothdirections(therestofthetimeIuseCobhamdriveifweatherisnice).NOTE:Somedayswhenheadingtothecentralcity,ifIamthengoingtoridearoundthebays,IwillusethecyclewayviaKempStreet.IneverusetheKempStreetCyclewaywhencomingfromEvansBayParadeandheadingtoCouttsStreet,IwillalwaysstayonEvansBayParade,andthenheaddowntowardsintersectionbyOnepuRoadtogetontoRongataiRoad.Ihaveobservedanumberofthingswiththecurrentlayoutandtrafficflows,andalsoreviewedtheproposeddesignandasaresulthavesomesuggestionsthatIthinkshouldbetakenintoaccountforanyfinaldetaileddesigns.PointsIwouldliketoraiseare:Point1a:RongataiRoadandOnepuRoadintersection–CyclistsheadingtowardsEvansBayParade(andonpastAquaticCentretoHataitaiandtheMtVicTunnel)

TheproposeddesignhasprovisionforadvancedstopboxforcyclistsheadingtowardsHataitaiatthisintersection,buttheoveralldesigndoesnotseemtosupportcyclistsgettingfromtheproposednewcyclelaneacrossthetraffictotherighthadturnlane.Infact,thedesignseemstoshowcyclistswillbetrappedbehindaraisedprotectiveislanduntilJUSTbeforetheOnepuRoadintersection.ProposedSolution1a:CurrentlywhenIridethisroute,andIamlookingtoturnrightontoEvanBayParade,Iwill“takethelane”fromneartheMahoraStreetintersection,andthenoncepastthenewlynarrowedpedestriancrossing,Iwill“taketheright-handlane”uptothelights.MaybeconsiderationneedstobemadesothatcyclistsheadingalongRongataiRoadcangetfromthenewcyclewayintotheright-handturnlane.ThismayrequireremovalofadditionalparksafterthepedestriancrossingnearMahoraStreet(AlsoseePoint1b)

Point1b:RongataiRoadandOnepuRoadintersection–CreationofalargerbottleneckfortrafficattheintersectionofRongataiandOnepuRoads.

Notsomuchacyclerelatedissue,butaknock-oneffectfromtheproposedkerbsidecyclelanebetweenMahoraandOnepuRoadsthatdoesimpactpublictransportinthearea.Sincethesafetyimprovementsweremadeatthepedestriancrossingafewmonthsback(bynarrowingtheroadtosinglelaneonlyatthepedestriancrossingusingbollards),thetrafficflowsonRongatairoadhavebecomeappalling.ThisisduetotheintroductionofabottleneckBEFOREthesetoftrafficlights.Nowthe3lanesoftrafficatthelightsisconstrainedbyasinglelaneentry40-50maway(ieatthepedestriancrossing).ThiscausesmajortrafficbackupsalongRongatairoadthatdidnotexistinthepast.NOTE:notanissuewhenbiking,asyoujustzoomonpast!!Butitiscrapwhenyouaresittingonabusfromtheeasternsuburbsandhavetowait5phasesoflightstogetthroughtheintersectionnow!!!Theproposeddesigndoesnotalterthesinglelaneconstraintatthepedestriancrossing,butitDOESextendthatconstraint,astheadditionofthekerbsidecyclelaneandretentionoftheparkingafterthecrossing,meansthereisasinglelaneforMUCHlonger,whichwilljustconstrainandrestrictflowsevenmore.ThiswilljustdelaybusesmorefromreachingKilbirnie.Somuchforencouragingmorepeopletousethebuses.

Before:

After: ProposedSolution1b:IwouldsuggestthatpreANYdesignbeingfinalisedforimplementation,moredetailedobservationsbemadeoftrafficflowsatthisareagiventhenewPedestriancrossingdesign.Thismighthelpinformoptionstohelpavoidcreatingalongerconstraintpointintheroadingnetwork.MaybesurveyMetlinkbusdriversonthisrouteastotheirobservationsofimpacttherevisedcrossinghashad.Also,thatifthekerbsidelanedesignisimplemented,thattheparkingafterthePedestriancrossingatMahorastreetneedstoberemovedcompletely.And/or,moreofthecentralislandspaceisused(afterthePedestriancrossing)toensurethereisstillatleast2fulllanesleadingallthewayuptothelights.

Point2:NorthtoSouthcrossingthruCentralReserveIslandatTeWhitiStreet.

CurrentlywhenI’mridingtowardsCouttsStreetalongRongataiRoad,Iwillkeepaneyeontrafficbehindme,andthenwhenclear,moveacrosstoridealongsidethecentralreservationuntilIreachthecrossingthruthecentralislandtowardTeWhititStreet.Doingthisallowsmetomaintainflowandmomentum,andnothavetostop/starttocrosstheroad.Lookingattheproposeddesign,Iagreethiswillsuitlessconfidentriderswhocanstop,thencrosstheroadtothecentralmedian.However,makingconfidentcyclistsslowtocrossatrightanglesmaytemptthemtodropoutintotheroadlanesbackatthepreviousBusstop,andthentakethelane.Also.ThiscrossingpointisusedbypedestrianstoowhoareheadingthroughthewalkwaytoKempStreet,andyetitcurrentlyisnot,andtheproposeddesigndoesnotdesignatethisasapedestriancrossing.ProposedSolution2:Irrespectiveofanyotherchanges,IthinkthedesignMUSThaveanoparkingzoneofoneortwocarlengthsPRIORtotheredesignedcrossingstartonthenorthsideofRongatairoad(ietotheWestofthecrossing).ThiswillensurecyclistsANDpedestrianshaveaclearersightofcarsheadingEastonRongataiRoad.Iwouldalsoliketosuggestthatapedestriancrossingbeconsideredatthispointtoo.Acknowledgingtherearemultiplecrossingsalongthisroadalready,butwithincreasedusageoftheASBSportsCentre,IthinkthereispotentialtomonitorEXISTINGuseofthewalkwaythroughtoKempStreet,andseehowcyclistsandPedestriansusethecurrentcrossing,andinwhatvolume.Thiscouldhelpbuildacaseforadditionalimprovementsatthiscrossingpoint.Andtoimprovetheridingflowformoreconfidentriders,andtoencouragethemtousetheprotectedlane,maybetherampdownoffthenew“extension”onthenorthsideoftheroadcouldbemadeaswideaspossible,ANDtheuprampintothecentralreserveislandbeextendedandanybumpsremoved.DittoforthedownrampontheTeWhitisideoftheIsland.Ihopethisisuseful.Onceagain,Iammorethanhappytodiscusstheideasinmoredetail(onsiteifrequired–745am,or530pmworksformeJ)beforeanymoredetailed“constructionplans”arefinalised.

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Submission 59


SallyElizabeth Miramar Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Ithinkthisroadistoocongestedwithmultiplebuses,crossings,pedestriansandcarstomanageacyclewayunlessyouremoveorcutdownthecentralgrassstripwhichservesnorealpurpose.

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Comments:Ithinkyouneedacyclewayawayfrombusystreets,andencouragecycliststotraveltoitratherthanmakesomanyroadsdifficultandimpossibleduetoclashesbetweencyclists/cars/pedestrians.

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Comments:Ifeelsorryforthehomeownerstherelosingparks-theyoftenhavenoonsiteparks.Thisisdifficultifoneisayoungparent,elderly,frailordisabled.Theirrateswillgodown.

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Submission 60


SamSomers Newtown Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Ibelievethegrassdonethecenter,shouldbethededicatedcyclewayasitscurrentlyunused,butcouldbeaverywellusedsectionofroad

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Comments:Thegrasscenterisunusedandwouldalsocuttheneedforcyclistturningrightover2lanesoftrafficwithonly1direction

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Submission 61


SharonRumsey LyallBay Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 62


stevestewart Notanswered Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Nomoreofwellmeaningidiotsruiningourstreets.Remove

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Comments:incrediblystupidIslandBaycyclewaybeforeanythingelse.Ourstreetsarepartofourculture!!!!!!!!

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Submission 63


Teresa Hataitai Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Ithinkthislooksawesome.Ijustcan'tquiteseethedetailofhowsomeonegoingeastonRongotaiRoadturnsintooneofthestreetsonthesouthsideoftheroade.g.TeWhiti,Yule,etc.Ifmarkings/sharrows/greenpaintcouldbeadded,orsometrafficcalmingmeasureaddedtoensurecyclistscancrosssafelythatwouldmakethisevenbetter.

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Comments:Itiswonderfultoseeawholenetworkofcyclepathsbeingdevelopedintheeasternsuburbs.Greatwork.

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Submission 64


ThomasO AroValley Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Lookslikeagoodsolution.

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Comments:Verybusycyclingroute.ThinkabouthowthismixeswithOptionBofWellington'sGetWellyMovingconsultation.

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Submission 65


TimJenkins Wilton Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Massiveimprovement!

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Submission 66


TimothyPeterSpellacey Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Yourletterdated13.11.17planstomakeRongotaiRoadsaferforpeopleonbikes,TheproposalconstitutesamajorchangetotheroadinginRongotaiRoadtothedetrimenttootherusers,traffic,pedestrians,andserviceproviders.MothersunloadingpushchairsfromtheirvehiclestogoshoppinginKilbirniehavetoinsuretheirchildrenstayonthe1metrebufferzonewhiletheirattentionisdivertedtodothisalsotherewouldnotbeenoughroomwiththecardoorsopenforchildrenandpushchairstodothissafely,Ibelievechildrenwillrunontheroadorcyclelane,resultingininjuriesorfatalities.

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Comments:Yourproposaldoesnothaveabufferzonebetweendriversenteringandleavingtheircarsbetweenpassingbusestrucksandcarsasitnow.Washingandvacuumingtheirvehicleswillcreateahazardtothedriversfrompassingvehicles,alsoontheothersidepassingcycles.Thecurbisatriedandsuitableplacetoparkourcars.Thelossofabout17carparksinnotacceptable,werequiremoreparkingspacesinRongotaiRoadnotless.Elderlypassengershavingtocrossacyclelanefromthefootpathtocatchabusisnotlogicalthinking.Thepositioningofthebusstopoutside112RongotaiRoadisnotsensible,whatwasthepurposeofthisproposal?

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Comments:Recyclersofplasticcardboardandglassalsorefusecollectorshastowalkfurtherforcollection.Tradesmenandhouseholderswillhavefurthertowalktoloadrubbishinskipbins.Yourproposalinconveniencesthemajorityforthebenefitofthefew.TheIslandBaycyclepilotprojectwhichisfarfromsatisfactortothemajorityofresidentsshouldbeyourprioritytodesignacyclesystemthathastheapprovalofthemajorityoftheresidentsandcycleuser'sbeforeyouattempttosubjectyourideas,whichIbelievewillbeunpopularontheKilbirniepopulice.ThursdayNovember162017CookStraitNewscopyenclosedreportsVickiGrecostatesover80%ofthosewholiveinIslandBayhavetoldthecounciltimeandtimeagaintheywanttoseethecyclewayputbacktoitspreviousdesign.WhatisyourreplytoVickiGreco'sstatement?AreyouplanningtoadoptthesametacticsbyignoringanyonewhodisagreeswithyourproposalinKilbirnie?Asensibleandlessintrusivealternativetoyourproposal.CyclelanestobesituatedeithersideofthecenterlineinthegrassedareainRongotaiRoad.Theremaininggrassedareatobemadeintoanglecarparksonbothsidesoftheroad,thisisgreatlyneededinthisarea.Thisproposalismorepracticleadvantagiousandcosteffectivealsolessdisruptivetothecommunity.ThecouncilshouldmakeeveryefforttorefrainfromcuttinggrassinordertohealtheozoneholewhichcoverNewZealandandpartofAustralia.Irequireareplytomyproposalbymainansweringmyquestionsandcommentstomyproposal,thankyou.Sincerely,T.PSpellacey

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Submission 67


TomMacDiarmid Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 68


TracyF StrathmorePark Individual Notapplicable



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Submission 69


VivienWard Kilbirnie Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Nochangerequired

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Comments:Councilneedstobemoreprudentwithourmoney

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Submission 70


YvonneWeeber LyallBay Individual Notapplicable


Comments:Youneedastopboxforcyclistswhenentering(onEvansBayParade)andexitingOnepuRoadforcyclistscomingfromLyallBay.Therearealargenumberofusandyouneedtomakethisintersectionsafer.ItsthemainrouteofcyclistscomingfromaroundtheMiramarPeninsulaandbacktothecityaswell.AlsothereisareallydeepcatchpitontheeasternsideofEvansBayParade.

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Comments:Thisisareallywideroadthatneedsreallygoodcyclewaysonit.

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Comments:StopboxesforcyclistsintoandoutofOnepuRoadarerequired.Youarenotlookingatthenumberofcyclistswhousethisrouteifyoudon'tdothis.

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