Read This Dr Gregory Ellis Fat Adaptation

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03-10-2005, 07:59 PM

belaglazov

Read This Dr Gregory Ellis Fat Adaptation

[url]http://www.targetedbodysystems.com/artspo2.html[/url] Dr ellis has been sending me posts about his books i'll post information here about excerpts and articles.

03-10-2005, 08:11 PM

belaglazov

Fat Adaptation

I used to be a carb eater and fell into the carb trap but i tried fat adaptation and it worked. Gregory ellis is prove of this too. The body runs more efficently on ketones it takes 2-6 months to become fat adapted muscles will fill out and look even larger. Go to his site [url]www.drgregoryellis.com[/url] and [url]http://www.ultimatedietsecrets.com/gallery01.html[/url] here. His book net carb scam talks about fat adaptation. The idea is basically that everyone says carbs are the main fuel for the body but the'yre not fat is. The main runs much better on ketones than glucose and there is no need to carb load dr ellis's knowldge goes way beyond mario dipasquile's. To become fat adapted carbs must be lowered to 13 percent of your daily calories for 2-6 months until the fat enzymes go up. Remembmer all the bad side effects go away after 2 weeks. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OUT THERE DISUPUTING CARBS AS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY AND ABOUT FAT ADAPTATION. EVEN MARIO DIPASQUILE SAYS FAT IS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY BUT WHEN HE CARB LOADS HE MESSES THE WHOLE THING UP. THERE IS NO NEED FOR INUSLIN IN A FAT ADAPTED ORGANISM BECAUSE ALL ORGANS RELY ON FAT. ONCE AGAIN I'M PROMOTING THE IDEA FOR FAT ADAPTATION VERY FEW ATHLETES KNOW THIS I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS GLADLY.

03-10-2005, 08:26 PM

Gunn21

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-10-2005, 09:24 PM

badboyben

I do agree that the majority of people have too much carbs in there diet and that they would be better off having less carbs, but i disagree with you about the part saying athletes dont need insulin. Bodybuilders and athletes do need insulin. Why??? 1) Insulin is anabolic 2) Insulin shuttles sugar and amino acids and other nutrients into muscles 3) Insulin inhibits protein breakdown 4) Insulin is necessary for the production of IGF-1 So having a carb load while on a low carb diet is a good idea. Plus there is other benefits to the carb load but no time to write them in.

03-10-2005, 09:43 PM

belaglazov

I don't believe we should see insulin very much. It is not a two-edged sword -- it is one bad one. Reducing carbs increases growth hormone, not eating them. Growth hormone is a counter-regulatory hormone to insulin -- one goes up, the other goes down. Cortisol is a stress hormone and is little implicated in the overall regulation of fuel use. It has a long time of turning on, it is not a fight or flight hormone like adrenaline. Yes, it affects fuel metabolism but nowhere near as much as the others. Glucagon is the hormone you want and you won't get that with carbs. What is the reason for insulin? It is a hormone that indicates the fed state and drives fuel into storage: into fat, into muscle, but faster and more strongly into fat. The errors in This system are many. If you understand this stuff, truly understand it, you must walk away from the whole notion of glycogen loading as the task of carbohydrate deluded scientists who have been biased since their studies have covered only a small part of humans responses to diet and exercise. Clearly Faigin, DIPASQUILE, AND BERADI haVE wrongfully bought into this because THEY doN'T have the experience and background to have read deeply enough to understand this stuff. The point is that fat beats carbs but if you must hold onto using carbs then that's OK but in the long run carbs will not perform like fats. As I've said, we have all kinds of studies on what carbs do and they're all true but the scope is too limited to really paint the picture of fuel use for maximum performance.

03-10-2005, 09:45 PM

belaglazov

The Body Does Not Need Insulin It Will Gladly Take Up Amino Acids Without Insulin And The Effects Will Be Much Better With Much Less Fat And More Muscle. If Burning More Than You Eat This Is The Only Diet Where You Can Truly Successfully Build Muscle And Lose Fat.

03-10-2005, 09:48 PM

belaglazov

One problem getting to the "right" thing to do is that everyone is so enamored with carbs that they focus everything on them. Carb burning and fat burning are not truly not compatible. The so-called insulin surge stops (or decreases) fat burning and increases fat storage. So, if you increase muscle building, you increase fat storage way more with insulin. In a fat-adapted user ketones prevent muscle breakdown and preserve it and build it and they do this far better than insulin.

03-10-2005, 10:16 PM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]I used to be a carb eater and fell into the carb trap but i tried fat adaptation and it worked. Gregory ellis is prove of this too. The body runs more efficently on ketones it takes 2-6 months to become fat adapted muscles will fill out and look even larger. Go to his site [url]www.drgregoryellis.com[/url] and [url]http://www.ultimatedietsecrets.com/gallery01.html[/url] here. His book net carb scam talks about fat adaptation. The idea is basically that everyone says carbs are the main fuel for the body but the'yre not fat is. The main runs much better on ketones than glucose and there is no need to carb load dr ellis's knowldge goes way beyond mario dipasquile's. To become fat adapted carbs must be lowered to 13 percent of your daily calories for 2-6 months until the fat enzymes go up. Remembmer all the bad side effects go away after 2 weeks. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OUT THERE DISUPUTING CARBS AS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY AND ABOUT FAT ADAPTATION. EVEN MARIO DIPASQUILE SAYS FAT IS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY BUT WHEN HE CARB LOADS HE MESSES THE WHOLE THING UP. THERE IS NO NEED FOR INUSLIN IN A FAT ADAPTED ORGANISM BECAUSE ALL ORGANS RELY ON FAT. ONCE AGAIN I'M PROMOTING THE IDEA FOR FAT ADAPTATION VERY FEW ATHLETES KNOW THIS I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS GLADLY.[/QUOTE] wow. What a load of bull****. Ketosis is much more ineffiicient... it's part of the reason the body burns more calories; because of the inefficiency.

03-10-2005, 10:28 PM

belaglazov

Listen straight flexed No one on a fat adapted diet is in a ketogenic state. That is only for a brief time in the begginning. Keytone bodies become a favorite source of fuel for the fat adapted.Ketone are burnt up rapidly on low carb diets. Fat adaptation is no myth. I can easily prove it to any carb eater. Go without eating any carbs for a week and see how ****ty you feel. You will be really tired, weak and

irritable with probally a headache. This does not happen in the fat adapted. Try fasting for a day or even two and see how starving hungry, weak and tired you feel. Try to go workout while in a fasting state. Your workout would be greatly diminished if you could even do it. I have worked out at normal capacity while fasting because I am fat adapted.This happened in several jiujitsu tournaments I competed in. While everyone else drank sugar water(Gateraid), I fasted. I can go all day or even several days without eating and not suffering undue stress. Why? Because my body has adapted to burning stored body fat.My liver has developed the neccessary enzymes to do this. Don't get me wrong, I get hungry, but I am able to function at normal levels. I am not an anomoly, I talk to many who have experienced the same thing. The carb eaters body would burn stored fat also, but would be incredibly inefficient at it. It takes about 6 months to fully adapt from a carbo diet. Everything you stated is true for carb eaters, but not for the fat adapted. Ellis spent the last 25 years of his life researching info on fat adaptation.

03-10-2005, 10:30 PM

belaglazov

All those studies are done on people who have not had time to adapt to burning fat. Ketosis is a moot point when it comes to the fat adapted. It is a brief phenomenom that occurs when one first adapts to burning fat and then it still isn't any big health issue. Intramuscular triglycerides are the primary source of muscular work, even in non-fat adapted trainees. Glucose supplies only about 15 % of the fuel for muscular work. Check any bio-chemistry text book. Glucose is only a minor fuel and is used up fairly quickly. Fat supplies glucose needs as well as protein. Fat spares the glycogen not the other way around.

03-10-2005, 10:34 PM

belaglazov

Initially, when beginning a low-carbohydrate diet,there is some ketone loss in the urine. This accounts for 50-100 calories a day. After several weeks of adaptation to the low-carbohydrate diet, ketones become a primary fuel for the brain, central nervous system, organs, and muscles. This increased burning of ketones decreases their amount in the urine. In fact, after a month or two on an extremely low-carbohydrate diet, it?s virtually impossible to detect ketones in the urine. They?ve all been burned in the cells as a source of fuel. .. . . . .What Atkins? book doesn?t tell you is that, as the body?s cells begin to burn ketones as fuel (ketones become the number one source of energy), there are simply no ketones left to spill over into the urine. Ketones spare muscle not glucose or carbs. Even in a carb adapted organism ketones spare muscle that is a FACT.

03-10-2005, 10:42 PM

Fridrik

LOL! That's like one diet in various body magazine saying, don't eat nothing at the morning or at day, and then eat **** loud at night... LOL!

03-10-2005, 10:42 PM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]All those studies are done on people who have not had time to adapt to burning fat. Ketosis is a moot point when it comes to the fat adapted. It is a brief phenomenom that occurs when one first adapts to burning fat and then it still isn't any big health issue. Intramuscular triglycerides are the primary source of muscular work, even in non-fat adapted trainees. Glucose supplies only about 15 % of the fuel for muscular work. Check any bio-chemistry text book. Glucose is only a minor fuel and is used up fairly quickly. Fat supplies glucose needs as well as protein. Fat spares the glycogen not the other way around.[/QUOTE] I've tried eating a diet like this for a lot longer than 2 week's. It's called Dr. Atkins. It's not healthy in the long run, although it will keep you lean. If you are weight training you will also gain some muscle. It's much better for your health, and for gaining muscle in the long run if you eat a balanced diet and do a moderat amount of cardio. None of this is new info, and I dont know why it's in the IFBB fourm either.

03-10-2005, 10:47 PM

belaglazov

What does this have to do with fasting?

03-10-2005, 10:48 PM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]Listen straight flexed No one on a fat adapted diet is in a ketogenic state. That is only for a brief time in the begginning. Keytone bodies become a favorite source of fuel for the fat adapted.Ketone are burnt up rapidly on low carb diets. Fat adaptation is no myth. I can easily prove it to any carb eater. Go without eating any carbs for a week and see how ****ty you feel. You will be really tired, weak and irritable with probally a headache. This does not happen in the fat adapted. Try fasting for a day or even two and see how starving hungry, weak and tired you feel. Try to go workout while in a fasting state. Your workout would be greatly diminished if you could even do it. I have worked out at normal capacity while fasting because I am fat adapted.This happened in several

jiujitsu tournaments I competed in. While everyone else drank sugar water(Gateraid), I fasted. I can go all day or even several days without eating and not suffering undue stress. Why? Because my body has adapted to burning stored body fat.My liver has developed the neccessary enzymes to do this. Don't get me wrong, I get hungry, but I am able to function at normal levels. I am not an anomoly, I talk to many who have experienced the same thing. The carb eaters body would burn stored fat also, but would be incredibly inefficient at it. It takes about 6 months to fully adapt from a carbo diet. Everything you stated is true for carb eaters, but not for the fat adapted. Ellis spent the last 25 years of his life researching info on fat adaptation.[/QUOTE] god just another sheep. Doesn't anyone think for themselves anymore. so what you are saying is low carb diets increase lipolysis. NO ****. Thanks for the newsflash lol. do you even know what liver enzymes you are talking about? Additionally, you do realize that ketones can only be used oxidatively, not glycolytically. Guess what lifting heavy weights is... glycolytic. Fortunately your body can make about 120g of glucose per day via gluconeogensis but much of that will go to fuel the brain, red blood cells, and central nervous system. That doesn't leave much left over and thus your anaerobic performance will suffer.

03-10-2005, 10:51 PM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]Initially, when beginning a low-carbohydrate diet,there is some ketone loss in the urine. This accounts for 50-100 calories a day. After several weeks of adaptation to the low-carbohydrate diet, ketones become a primary fuel for the brain, central nervous system, organs, and muscles. This increased burning of ketones decreases their amount in the urine. In fact, after a month or two on an extremely low-carbohydrate diet, it?s virtually impossible to detect ketones in the urine. They?ve all been burned in the cells as a source of fuel. .. . . . .What Atkins? book doesn?t tell you is that, as the body?s cells begin to burn ketones as fuel (ketones become the number one source of energy), there are simply no ketones left to spill over into the urine. Ketones spare muscle not glucose or carbs. Even in a carb adapted organism ketones spare muscle that is a FACT.[/QUOTE] what you are saying is somewhat true. but you are incorrect in saying carbs are not muscle sparing. First of all that is a multi-layered issue and to complex for the scope of most who read the forum (no offense), yes ketones spare muscle. However, they cannot be used anaerobically, so if you like lifting heavy weights you can expect your performance to suffer on a ketogenic diet.

The literature you cite is from some early starvation research... interesting stuff called "starvation in man" However, these people were not carrying higher than normal amounts of body protein (ie muscle) and they were not lifting weights. That changes everything... drastically.

03-10-2005, 10:53 PM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]What does this have to do with fasting?[/QUOTE] who said anything about fasting?

03-10-2005, 10:54 PM

belaglazov

What Diet This Isn't A Diet This Is The Way The Body Works. The Atkins Diet Has Many Flaws And Atkins Dosen't Acknowlededge Calories In The Role Of Wieght Loss And Atkins Is For The Obese.atkins Says In Order To Lose Weight You Must Be In Ketosis Calories Are The Ultimate Apex In Bodyweight Regulation. I'm Trying To Tell People About Fat Adaptation And How The Body Works Not Promoting A Diet. Please Don't Put Words In My Mouth.

03-10-2005, 10:59 PM

belaglazov

EVER HEARD OF STEFFASNON LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT A LOT OF HW TO DO. However, they cannot be used anaerobically, so if you like lifting heavy weights you can expect your performance to suffer on a ketogenic diet. THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID STRAIGHTFLEX. THIS IS ONLY TRUE FOR THE CARB ADAPTED NOT FOR THE FAT ADAPTED. LEHNINGERS:PRINCIPLES OF BIOCHEMISTRY,fat is the primary source and the prefered source of fuel of muscles and body tissues at rest.Blood glucose and glycogen are emergency fuels.Only 15% of the energy for muscular work comes from glycogen and 15% from blood glucose.The rest comes from free fatty acids,ketones and recently discovered intramuscular triglycerides.Carbohydrate burners cannot efficiently access these fuels and are limited in their ability to produce ATP once their limited sugar stores are used up.I am not making this up,it's in Lehningers classic text;pure bio-chem 101. In Dr. Ellis's Phd. dissertation,his low carb rats out swam the carbo eating rats by 4 hours! In another study,Ellis had trainees perform 20 sets of squats and leg presses to exhaustion.Blood samples were taken and it was discovered that 50% of the fuel was produced by triglycerides,not glycogen.Ellis besides having a Phd.in biochemistry and nutrition,also has a Phd.in exercise physiology.

So, yes,low carbohydrate diets do turn one into a fat burning machine.I am living proof,having been in the powerful position of trying both ways,virtually no carb and mid to high carb.Every clinical study condemning low carb diets was less than 3 weeks,not nearly enough time for adaptation to occur. The few studies that did last longer than 3 weeks supported claims of higher levels of endurance.I have personally witnessed over 1000 ELLIS clients in switch over to this diet in the last 6 years with none of the deliterious effects that you mentioned.Only in the initial phase,usually the first couple of weeks did people suffer.Afterward everyone was elated with the results.

03-10-2005, 11:05 PM

Gunn21

Anytime you eat certain foods to change your body's composition it is a diet. Everything you are saying is vary similar to Dr. Atkin's theroy, only with increas calories. It does seem kind of suspicious that you just joined the boards today, and you are trying so hard to prove your point. It look's to me like you are promoting a diet.

03-10-2005, 11:07 PM

belaglazov

A POST I GOT FROM DR ELLIS. But the facts are: 75% of all fuel used by a muscle comes from the burning of fat and most of that coming from intramuscular triglycerides. How to slow this down? Eat carbs and that is the reason everyone came up with this notion because all scientific studies have been done on carb-adapted organisms. And scientists haven't yet realized that this has been the major limitation to the studies as to what fuel a contracting muscle uses. Oh yeah, they say fat is OK until the intensity increases and then we need to rely on carbs. That's not true, however, in fat-adapted organisms as a few studies now show. But the scientists just don't have it altogether yet to figure it out. It just so happened that I did because I've studied all this stuff and trained too. They just don't have enough experience to put it all together. I do. It will die real hard and I expect few to accept it. But, when you do, and you see how it works, you'll become a convert. Maxwell knows. Your strength goes up because you have more endurance on fat -- that's what the muscle wants to burn. The scientists know this but they don't know how to make the manipulations required to make it happen. So, you'll only be able to read what I write because no one else knows this yet. And usually, a voice of one is never enough to be very convincing. So, it will be up to those few adventurers, the early adopters, who say, let me give this a try and see what happens. It'll take science 20 years to get where I am now (unless I sell a lot of books, make lots of money and set up my own research lab with some hot young PhDs crankin' out the work).

STEVE MAXWELL IS A 3 TIME WORLD BRAZILLIAN JIU JITSU CHAMPION I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD OF HIM MAHLER INTERVIEWED HIM AND CHECK OUT DR ELLIS INTERVIEW ON BODYBUILDING.COM [url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler11.htm[/url]

03-10-2005, 11:12 PM

belaglazov

THIS IS NO DIET THIS IS THE WAY OUR BODIES WORK ONCE AGAIN. IF YOU WANNA DENY THE FACTS GO AHEAD DENY THE FACTS BUT YOU CAN'T DENY HOW THE BODY WORKS. When I was on his radio show in NY in 1989, he took me out to dinner. After he ate his potato he asked if he could eat mine too as I hadn't touched it. He fell off his pedestal at that moment. I then taught him all about ketones and that info appeared without ref. to me in his re-released 1992 book. He is fat, quite fat and his office staff tells him how fat he is. He WAS living out on Long Island pulling down $11 mil plus a year and he is so wrong about so many things that it is unbelievable. If you go to his site he pumps his chest about his sciene and lists an independent poll that was done comparing his plan to low fat. He ballyhoos how people weren't hungry but ignores the one question in which 76% of the respondents said they wanted to lose more weight. Unfortunately, he has no plan in place to help because he knows so little about weight control. He's a lost soul. Greg Ellis

03-10-2005, 11:14 PM

belaglazov

the optimal diet may not lead to results that are so profoundly better to make it worth sticking to the optimal diet over obtaining more pleasure and enjoyment from a diet plan that is less than optimal. These are choices each individual must make. I am a low-carbohydrate proponent but CHO restriction does not have to be reduced to such low extremes as advised by Protein Power, Atkins and others to have good results from this diet. So, an effective low-cho diet can have enough CHO to provide the variety one needs for dietary pleasure. If you read the post I made today, you will understand how ineffective the Metabolic Diet is because it is not based on a thorough understanding of the biochemistry underlying metabolic regulation. As such, it cannot possibly lead to better muscle gains and "density" (whatever that term means). By definition, CHO eating induces fat making from carbohydrate, so any

positive response provided by low CHO during the week is effectively negated by high-CHO during the weekend and fat making will be rapid because of the previous 5 days of CHO deprivation. And, unfortunately, your body will never become fully fat-adapted and you'll never realize the power, strength, and endurance possibilities accruing to full and complete fat-adaptation, a far more powerful adaptation than being adapted to burn CHO, a secondary fuel and not the body's first choice to power muscular contraction and performance in spite of the mistaken belief that CHO is the best fuel. It is not even close to fat.

03-10-2005, 11:17 PM

belaglazov

ELLIS DISECTS THE ATKINS FLAWS HERE. ELLIS AND ME ARE PROMOTING THE IDEA OF FAT ADAPTATION. TO BECOME FAT ADAPTED AND TO USE FAT AS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY NOT CARBOHYDRATES AND GLUCOSE. ultimatedietsecrets.com/atkins_diet.html

03-10-2005, 11:21 PM

Pirub88

[QUOTE=str8flexed]wow. What a load of bull****. Ketosis is much more ineffiicient... it's part of the reason the body burns more calories; because of the inefficiency.[/QUOTE] You're saying ketones are much more inefficient than triglycerides? I don't believe that. The conversion is probably a lost of 1-3% maximum. This is not "much more inefficient" and i think there are other reasons that low carb diets are ideal for lipolysis (ie. less secretion of insulin). Can you provide information on ketone inefficiency? I'm assuming you're referring to the conversion of triglycerides to ketones.

03-10-2005, 11:24 PM

Gunn21

Like I said before, I've tried eating low carbs before. I did it longer than two weeks. Probley closer to two months. Why did I feel very unhealthy, and have very little energy.

03-10-2005, 11:26 PM

belaglazov

Pirub88 i think he was referring to ketogenic diet and saying how glucose is such an SUPERIOR energy source. IT'S ALL PART OF THE GLUCO -

CENTRIC PARADIGM. PIRUB88 = FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERTANDS AND IS WILLING TO LISTEN.

03-10-2005, 11:29 PM

ironman1964bc

Although I do agree with about 90% of what Dr. Ellis says, I still have some problems with the other 10%. 1) CARBS ARE PROTEIN SPARING I lost fat on the Ellis diet but I lost alot of muscle too, especially when I upped the aerobics. When I went from 75 to 300 grams of carbs, the muscle returned along with alot more energy. 2) CARBS ARE YOUR TURBO FUEL When doing a short, intense activity like wind sprints or a 20 rep squat, the carbs are the bodies preferred fuel. Fat cannot be burned fast enough to supply the energy needed for short bursts of activity. 3) INSULIN IS A NON-FACTOR IN WELL TRAINED ATHLETES It has been shown over and over again that well trained athletes do not have insulin problems resulting from eating carbs, as long as they are starchy carbs. Athletes eating oatmeal, brown rice, yams, etc will not get the insulin spike that couch potatoes would get fron eating these same carbs. 4) FOR EVERY PERSON WHO GOT LEAN GOING LOW CARB, THERE ARE 10 WHO DID IT GOING MODERATE CARB every bodybuilder I have ever read about has admitted to eating a fair amount of complex carbs. they may go low carb in their cutting phase but they also realize that it is an unnatural state for the body to be in. that is why they only do it in the weeks before a contest. the rest of the year they are back to moderate carbs. 5) WHO IS RIGHT....CLARENCE BASS OR DR ELLIS? I would say that both of them are right. everybody has different metabolisms and different needs. to say that 1 particular diet works for everybody is crazy. having said that, I am willing to bet that if Bass and Ellis switched diets, that they would still be just as cut as they are today. they have the dicipline and desire to make any diet work, low or higher carb. 6) SORRY, BUT THE MODERATE CARB DIET IS THE BODYBUILDING DIET it has been used by every bodybuilder I have ever read about in the past 30 years (except cutting phases) why fight something that has been proven to work.

03-10-2005, 11:30 PM

belaglazov

Like I said before, I've tried eating low carbs before. I did it longer than two weeks. Probley closer to two months. Why did I feel very unhealthy, and have very little energy. SIMPLE YOUR BODY DID NOT ADAPT YET. I AM TELLING YOU

MAN THIS IS NO JOKE. I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO BUT IT'S NOT. IT TAKES 2-6 MONTHS TO GET TRULLY FAT ADAPTED NOT 2 WEEKS NOT EVEN CLOSE. AFTER 2 WEEKS YOU WILL SHRINK LIKE A RAISIN. THE ENZYMES GROW OVER A PERIOD OF MONTHS. EATING CARBS BLOCKS THIS ENZYME GROWTH. ELLIS FINALLY CONVERTED ME AFTER YEARS OF SUFFERING. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. GET A FAT ADAPTED PERSON AND FEED HIM CARBS AND GRAINS AND WATCH HIS PERFORMANCE GO TO HELL. THE SAME THING WITH THE CARB GUY. LISTEN YOU HAVE 10 TIMES MORE FAT STORES THAN GLUCOSE. THE ONLY WAY TO TRIGGER IT IS AN ADAPTATION PERIOD OF 2-6 MONTHS. CARBS MUST BE KEPT AT 13 PERCENT OF THE DIET AND IN A 2,000 CALORIES DIET THIS IS 60 GRAMS. READ THE INTERVIEW WITH DR ELLIS. ELLIS DEDICATED HIS WHOLE LIFE TO FAT ADAPTATION.

03-10-2005, 11:31 PM

belaglazov

Why Is Everyone Repeating The Same Thing. People Listen There Is An Adaptation Period Of 2-6 Months And Glucose Will Not Come Close To Fat At All.

03-10-2005, 11:33 PM

BringnIt

What kinds of fats is he recommending, and if what you are advocating is correct why would your body require carbs at all?

03-10-2005, 11:34 PM

belaglazov

ANOTHER POST ELLIS SENT ME ABOUT THE CONFUSION ON ATP AND MUSCLE ONCTRACTION LIKE SPRINTS. That's right on the ATP and CP, but they're worth about 10 seconds of contraction power and must be replenished, and after that, what you eat and what pathways are cooking determine the next move. Keep in mind, the by-products of fat metabolism control the use of cho metab. So if fat (beta-oxidation) is cranking, the by products, called metabolic inhibitors, reach back to the enzymes that process carbs and slow them. So glycolysis is controlled by fat burning and fat burning is controlled, ultimately, by the number of fat burning enzymes (so it can be processed fast) and by the fuel delivered (which is, again, ultimately, determined by the fuel fed, which dictates the enzymes that the genes encode for -- fat-as-energy ones or carbohydrate-stored-as-fat ones). Fat burning controls cho burning, that is the essential point to understand to make hay out of this scenario, one that our scientists have missed.

In this scenario, the ATP can come from anything -- the body doesn't care -- just make the ATP it says -- and fat is the best source of ATP -- and here more of it goes through the TCA cycle instead of the lactate cycle. My estrogen dosed rats had about 1/2 the lactate as the no-estrogen animals. Why? Estrogen mimics starvation and low cho and sets up the same hormone profile which induces fat burning and cho sparing. Why sparing? Because if you burn fat, you don't need to burn cho, and the burning of fat turns off the burning of cho because of metabolic regulatory controls that act on several sites of the processing of glucose and glycolysis, slowing it down. The beauty of this is that the better you adapt to this, the more ATP arises from fat burning, and it is fast and powerful and muscle proteins, as a source of glucose, and, ultimately, as a source of fuel, is reduced, hence bigger, stronger muscles. Now, the ultimate fat-burning scenario is when you are in maximum ketosis and now fuel availability from fat is at its highest as is muscle protein preservation (why convert muscle aminos to glucose when I have so much fat available as fuel, says the body) and muscle strength increases and endurance performance are maximized. But, to reach this state, you must feed fat, be low in cho, have a high glucagon to insulin ratio and you will max out, from the dietetic part, at least, your genetic potenttial will be realized. We haven't got there yet as science is still ensconced in cho love. And, I've told you that story already. So, here, you try my idea, and find out how it works for you, if you wait for science to present more of what you say in the first paragraphs of your post, you'll wait forever until your platoon leaders, the dopes that many were, listen to anything that you tell them. Not a pick, but ketones are not silly, they are real cool, and if maximum performance is your quest, get into them and I'm telling you, you'll be pleasantly suprised. You will not know the old friend, fatigue, anymore. I'll look up those books as I need something else to read at the beach this year than the pure **** that has been circulating in my brain during this book-writing ordeal.

03-10-2005, 11:39 PM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]Why Is Everyone Repeating The Same Thing. People Listen There Is An Adaptation Period Of 2-6 Months And Glucose Will Not Come Close To Fat At All.[/QUOTE] Then why did you say in your second post that the bad side effects go away after two weeks. Feeling unhealthy, and haveing no energy are bad side effects. Especilly when trying to gain muscle. I also noticed that you are extreamly educated on this subject. Are you sure you're not Dr. Ellis Phd???

03-10-2005, 11:41 PM

belaglazov

What kinds of fats is he recommending, and if what you are advocating is correct why would your body require carbs at all? BringnIt Hey bring it your body does not need carbohydrates at ALL. YES IN A CARB ADAPTED ORGANISM THAT IS TRUE BUT NOT IN A FAT ADAPTED ORGANISM. STEFFANSON LIVED 1 YEAR ON AN EXCLUSIVE MEAT DIET. EVER HEARD OF STEFFANSON? ELLIS RECOMMENDS WE EAT SATURATED FAT AND LOTS OF IT. DON'T FEAR SATURATED FAT. CARBS TURN INTO SATURATED FAT. EATING SATURATED FAT PROVIDES FUEL FOR THE BODY IN THE ABSCENSE OF GLUCOSE. AVOID TRANS FAT. THAT IS THE KILLER RIGHT THERE. FAT IS THE PRIMARY FUEL FOR THE BODY'S TISSUES AND THE PRIMARY PATHWAY FOR CARBOHYDRATE USE IS ITS CONVERSION TO HIGHLY SATURATED HUMAN FAT. THE PURPOSE OF THE CONVERSION OF CARBOHYDRATE TO FAT IS SO THAT THE BODY CAN ALWAYS PRODUCE FAT, EVEN IN ITS ABSCENSE FROM THE DIET. FAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HELATH BECAUSE OF ITS USE IN CELL MEMBRANES AND HORMONE PROSUCTION, TO CITE JUST A FEW EXAMPLLES. BECAUSE OF FAT'S IMPORTANCE, THE BODY DEVELOPED A VERY SOPHISTICATED MECHANISM FOR ITS PRODUCTION IN THE FACE OF ANY DISTRUPTION IN ITS SUPPLY. SO EATING CARBS WILL TURN INTO SATURATED FAT A REAL KILLER FOR HEART DISEASE. WHEN YOU LOSE WEIGHT SATURATED FAT POURS INTO YOUR BLOOD. THE BODY DOSEN'T CARE YOU CAN EAT IT OR STARVE YOURSELF ONLY WAY TO TRIGGER IT IS DROP CARBS. THERE IS SO LITTLE GLYCOGEN ONLY 300 GRAMS AND THE REST IS RAPIDLY CONVERTED TO FAT.

03-10-2005, 11:44 PM

belaglazov

Then why did you say in your second post that the bad side effects go away after two weeks. Feeling unhealthy, and haveing no energy are bad side effects. Especilly when trying to gain muscle. I also noticed that you are extreamly educated on this subject. Are you sure you're not Dr. Ellis Phd??? The post that i put from dr ellis are his own posts everything is me. I will try to have him come on the board. ANYTIME WHEN YOU GO FROM ONE FUEL TO ANOTHER THERE IS AN ADAPTATION PERIOD. DON'T DROP CARBS TO FAST THE TRANSITION TAKES 2-6 MONTHS. LIKE I SAID IF YOU GET A FAT ADAPTED GUY LIKE ME ON CARBS I WILL FEEL DIZZY AND HORRIBLE. WHY THEN YOU SAY EAT FAT

AND BE A FAT BURNER SIMPLE IT'S YOUR MAIN FUEL AND GLUCOSE CANNOT COME CLOSE.

03-10-2005, 11:49 PM

BringnIt

So he doesn't recommend you intake a good balance of omega 3's, etc.? And I'm no expert but I thought that your brain required glucose to function, and do you have any studies that show that carbs turn into saturated fat?

03-10-2005, 11:53 PM

belaglazov

Yes Plenty I Will Post Them Here Yes He Does Reccomend Omaga 3's Don't Worry Aobut The Fats Just Avoid Trans Fat. Your Intake Should Be 75 Percent Fat And The Rest Protein.

03-10-2005, 11:53 PM

BringnIt

Additionally, where is the fiber in this diet? Could you give an example of a normal day's meals?

03-10-2005, 11:54 PM

belaglazov

Well The Studies That Show The Brain Using Ketones As Fuels Has Not Made It From The Papers To The Textbooks. Nobosy Cares They're Stuck In The Gluco - Centric Paradigm.

03-10-2005, 11:58 PM

belaglazov

THERE IS NO NEED FOR FIBER ON A MEAT EATING DIET. THE WHOLE FIBER THING CAME FROM PEOPLE EATING GRAINS AND COMBINING IT WITH MEAT. THIS CLOGS UP THE COLON.Only people eating white flour and cereal grains suffer from constipation. For them, fiber acts as a sort of broom to push sticky grains and flours through the colon. The fiber is an intestinal irritant and forces evacuation. The higher fat content of a meat based diet lubricates the bowel and actually increases regularity. Sometimes people new to the low carb diet approach will initially suffer with constipation. This is almost always immediately corrected with an increase in fat content and more liquid being consumed. LISTEN DON'T LISTEN TO THE ATKINS LOSERS YOU DON'T NEED FIBER ITS AN UNDIGESTABLE IRRITANT. YOU MIGHT HAVE A BOWEL ONCE A

WEEK BUT THERE ARE NO WASTES YOUR BODY IS DIGESTING EVERYTHING YOURE EATING YOU WILL NOT BE CONSTIPATED.

03-10-2005, 11:59 PM

belaglazov

My original stance was that fruits and vegetables in the raw state are largely undigestible and uneccesary for human health and well being. Because of the cellulose fiber surounding and binding the nutrients in raw produce, the nutrients pass through the human digestive track undigested. This is based on the work and research of Dr. Walter L. Voegtlin M.D. In his book, The Stone Age Diet, Dr. Voegtlin points to many, many cultures past and present who exhibited outstanding health who never ate fruits or vegetables or grains. He gives as an example that only 1% of the nutrients in a raw carrot can be digested as opposed to 18% of a cooked carrot. When cooked, vegetables and fruits are just another carb. Juiced fruits and vegetables will release the simple sugars from the ruptured cells, but the actual majority of nutrients and minerals remain bound in the cellulose fiber. Someone mentioned vegans and how do they survive if this is the case. Vegans base their diets on cereal grains and cooked starches. Most choose to supplement their diets with soy and vegetable based proteins if they work out. Beans, nuts, nut butters round out the vegan diet. Fruits and vegetables make up only a small percentage of the total calories of the vegan diet. Limes were used for centuries by sailors the world over to prevent scurvy. This was because the diets of these sailors were grain based, mostly dried biscuits(hard tack)that were totally devoid of nutrients. Fresh meat was very rare on the old sailing ships because of storage problems. When anthropologist Vilhjalmur Stefansson did his eight year exploration of the artic, he and his party ate nothing but meat, fish and fat. There was no sign of scurvy or any defficiency diseases among him or his party. He noted that the native peoples subsisted admirably on the same meat diet. Bradford Angier also wrote about his experiences with wilderness survival with the meat and fat diet. Dr. Ellis showed me a recent study among the thousands stored at his office. It showed no difference in death rate between people who eat the recommended 8 servings of fruits and vegetables daily and populations of people who eat none at all. Voegtlin, Ellis and many others are convinced, as am I, that meat and fat provide a complete diet that supplies everything man needs to prosper and flourish in complete health

03-11-2005, 12:01 AM

belaglazov

Experience Shows This And It Is A Much Better Teacher Than Theory. Today's Nuritionists All Base Their Scinece On Theory And Exclude Experience.

03-11-2005, 12:02 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]Then why did you say in your second post that the bad side effects go away after two weeks. Feeling unhealthy, and haveing no energy are bad side effects. Especilly when trying to gain muscle. I also noticed that you are extreamly educated on this subject. Are you sure you're not Dr. Ellis Phd??? The post that i put from dr ellis are his own posts everything is me. I will try to have him come on the board. ANYTIME WHEN YOU GO FROM ONE FUEL TO ANOTHER THERE IS AN ADAPTATION PERIOD. DON'T DROP CARBS TO FAST THE TRANSITION TAKES 2-6 MONTHS. LIKE I SAID IF YOU GET A FAT ADAPTED GUY LIKE ME ON CARBS I WILL FEEL DIZZY AND HORRIBLE. WHY THEN YOU SAY EAT FAT AND BE A FAT BURNER SIMPLE IT'S YOUR MAIN FUEL AND GLUCOSE CANNOT COME CLOSE.[/QUOTE] If you take an avege person and put them on an extremly low carb diet they will feel light headed and horrible after a week or so. I don't see how droping carbs over time would be any diffrent. Even if you are right about fat adaptation, I dont think it would be worth it if you have to feel horrible for 6 months first. There is a QUOTE button in the bottom right hand of all the posts

03-11-2005, 12:03 AM

belaglazov

Ellis Himself Ate Nothing But Steaks For 5 Months Straight.

03-11-2005, 12:05 AM

belaglazov

No Not Neccasrilly 6 Months You Feel Better After 3 Weeks The Whole Transition Period Ends After 6 Months. You Will Look Flat During The Fist Couple Of Weeks But You Will Feel Much Better Mentally After 1 Month. This Is Not Atkins. Atkins Is A Fat Slob Trying To Have Fat Slobs Lose Weight. Ellis Is For The Athlete And He Himself Has Spread The Word On This And I Am Too Now.

03-11-2005, 12:07 AM

belaglazov

You Will Look Flat Because Youre Body Can Not Process The Fat Efficeintly First. After You Get Adapted The Muscle Will Fill Out And Look Much Larger Then They Did With Glycogen This Is No Joke. You'll Have Arms And Legs Bulging Out Once You Get Adapted. And All This Micro Managmeent With Carbs Will Be In The Past.

03-11-2005, 12:08 AM

BringnIt

If he ate nothing but steaks for 5 months where did he get all of his vitamins and minerals, etc., from? I.E., vitamin C, calcium, etc.

03-11-2005, 12:08 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]Ellis Himself Ate Nothing But Steaks For 5 Months Straight.[/QUOTE] Whats your point?

03-11-2005, 12:09 AM

belaglazov

This Is What Happens Now When I Eat Carbs. My Blood Pressure Is Between 110 75 And 115 75. After Eating Carbs My Blood Pressure Goes Up To 138 - 80 This Is What I'm Talking About. Giving A Fat Adaptation Organism Carbs Is Like Shoving Fat Down A Carb Adapted Person. But You Will Be Much More Alert When Your Body Is Burning Ketones And Not That Demon Glucose.

03-11-2005, 12:12 AM

BringnIt

I wonder where Layne went... Probably ate too many carbs and exploded.

str8flexed

[QUOTE=Pirub88]You're saying ketones are much more inefficient than triglycerides? I don't believe that. The conversion is probably a lost of 1-3% maximum. This is not "much more inefficient" and i think there are other reasons that low carb diets are ideal for lipolysis (ie. less secretion of insulin). Can you provide information on ketone inefficiency? I'm assuming you're referring to the conversion of triglycerides to ketones.[/QUOTE] it is inefficient because it is incomplete fatty acid oxidation... what the heck do you think ketones are?

03-11-2005, 12:12 AM

belaglazov

BringnIt If he ate nothing but steaks for 5 months where did he get all of his vitamins and minerals, etc., from? I.E., vitamin C, calcium, etc. THESE ARE ALL THEORIES MADE BY TODAY'S CLUELESS SCIENTISTS. TELL ME ABOUT THE ESKIMOS AND STEFFANSON. DO YOU KNOW STEFFANSON IT'S ALL PUBLISHED STUDIES.

STEFFANSON ATE NOTHING BUT MEAT FOR 1 YEAR UNDER CLINICAL SUPERVISION. HE CAME OUT HELATHIER DESPITE ONLY EATING MEAT. THE ESKIMOS ONLY EAT MEAT AND HAD NO OBESITY AND HEART DISEASE UNTIL GRAINS WERE INTRODUCED IN THEIR DIET.

03-11-2005, 12:13 AM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=BringnIt]I wonder where Layne went... Probably ate too many carbs and exploded.[/QUOTE] bout to leave this thread. Some people would rather here gimicky bull**** than the truth

03-11-2005, 12:14 AM

BringnIt

So vitamin C is just a theory?

03-11-2005, 12:14 AM

Gunn21

I give up. I feel like I'm arguing with the owner of Mucle Tech.

03-11-2005, 12:15 AM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]BringnIt If he ate nothing but steaks for 5 months where did he get all of his vitamins and minerals, etc., from? I.E., vitamin C, calcium, etc. THESE ARE ALL THEORIES MADE BY TODAY'S CLUELESS SCIENTISTS. TELL ME ABOUT THE ESKIMOS AND STEFFANSON. DO YOU KNOW STEFFANSON IT'S ALL PUBLISHED STUDIES. STEFFANSON ATE NOTHING BUT MEAT FOR 1 YEAR UNDER CLINICAL SUPERVISION. HE CAME OUT HELATHIER DESPITE ONLY EATING MEAT. THE ESKIMOS ONLY EAT MEAT AND HAD NO OBESITY AND HEART DISEASE UNTIL GRAINS WERE INTRODUCED IN THEIR DIET.[/QUOTE] vitamin deficiencies are theories? wow.. the engine is running but no one is behind the wheel

03-11-2005, 12:15 AM

belaglazov

I Know This Is Hard To Beleive But These Are All Facts. Men Can Live Perfectly Fine On Just Meat And Fat. He Dosen't Need Any Other Nutrients. Okay You Ask The Long Term Effects Steffasnon Ate This Way And Died In His 80's I Believe. The Eskimos Were In Perfect Health Depsite Eating A High Fat Diet Until Grains Took Over. Look At America We Have All Our Vitamins Yet Our The Most Obese Nation On Earth.

03-11-2005, 12:16 AM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]ANOTHER POST ELLIS SENT ME ABOUT THE CONFUSION ON ATP AND MUSCLE ONCTRACTION LIKE SPRINTS. That's right on the ATP and CP, but they're worth about 10 seconds of contraction power and must be replenished, and after that, what you eat and what pathways are cooking determine the next move. Keep in mind, the by-products of fat metabolism control the use of cho metab. [/QUOTE] this is old school thinking and has been subject to much criticism of late... especially be Dr. Robert Wolfe of the University of Texas. I doubt many of you know him, but most of your post workout drinks are based on his research oh, and by the way, fatty acids cannot contribute anything to anaerobic metabolism which is what you use when you lift weights (unless you lift extremely light for endurance)

03-11-2005, 12:17 AM

BringnIt

What about the traditional Asian diet that is like 50% carbs?

03-11-2005, 12:18 AM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]I Know This Is Hard To Beleive But These Are All Facts. Men Can Live Perfectly Fine On Just Meat And Fat. He Dosen't Need Any Other Nutrients. Okay You Ask The Long Term Effects Steffasnon Ate This Way And Died In His 80's I Believe. The Eskimos Were In Perfect Health Depsite Eating A High Fat Diet Until Grains Took Over. Look At America We Have All Our Vitamins Yet Our The Most Obese Nation On Earth.[/QUOTE] Why don't you tell that to people who suffer everyday from some type of vitamin deficiency you brain washed fool

03-11-2005, 12:20 AM

BringnIt

Satan offered Eve the apple, not the steak, as I recall. Damn fructose!

03-11-2005, 12:23 AM

belaglazov

Vitaminc C Is Not Needed In A Fat Adapted Organism Eating A High Fat Meat Diet. Type In Steffanson And Read About His Famous Study Made In Belluve Hospital.

03-11-2005, 12:24 AM

belaglazov

What about the traditional Asian diet that is like 50% carbs? WHAT ABOUT IT?

03-11-2005, 12:25 AM

Gunn21

Stop It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Cant Take It Anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

03-11-2005, 12:26 AM

belaglazov

I'm Sorry But People Don't Listen They're Too Brainwashed By The Food Pyramid And What Our Govenrment Tells Them.

03-11-2005, 12:27 AM

BringnIt

You said Americans are fat, well, Asians eat a high carb diet and are generally healthy.

03-11-2005, 12:31 AM

belaglazov

HA FUNNY YOU SAID THAT. THE FOOD YOU EAT DETERMINES YOUR BODY COMPOISTION. ONE CAN GET LEAN EATING NOITHING BUT CAKES AS LONG AS HE MAINTAINS AN ENERGY BALANCE. HE'LL BE A LITTLE FATTER AT THE END OF THE DAY WILL NO MUSCLE BUT IT WILL WORK. Too many Calories make you fat. So it's possible to eat a high carb diet and remain lean if you undereat as the asians do but you see why their body composition is so horrible.

03-11-2005, 12:33 AM

belaglazov

Americans generally combine high carb with high fat and it is a deadly combination. THE BODY DOES NOT MONITOR THE AMOUNT OF CALORIES IT EATS. IT MONITORS THE AMOUNT OF FUEL IN ITS TISSUES. CARBS SEND SIGNALS TO THE BRAIN WHICH TRIGGER HUNGER. SO THE FAT AMREICAN GUY EATS CARBS GETS HUNGRY THEN EATS MORE. ASAINS DON'T EAT LIKE AMERICANS AND THEIR DIET IS VIRTUALLY ALL CARBS BUT THEY UNDEREAT A LOT.

03-11-2005, 12:34 AM

belaglazov

Even A Fat Adapted Organism Can Get Fat Eating Too Much Fat. The Whole Thing With Metabolic Advantages Is A Complete Myth Ellis Talks About This. Atkins Has Really Ocnfused Everyone.

03-11-2005, 12:36 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]I'm Sorry But People Don't Listen They're Too Brainwashed By The Food Pyramid And What Our Govenrment Tells Them.[/QUOTE] I've been working out for over 5 years on and off. You are either part of a scam, or have been brainwashed by a scam.

03-11-2005, 12:37 AM

BringnIt

Come on Gunn, you know that's just the carbs talking...

03-11-2005, 12:40 AM

belaglazov

OH AND KETONES PRODUCE ATP MUCH MORE EFFICENTLY THAN GLUCOSE. HERE'S A STUDY DONE BY RICHARD VEECH ONE OF THE EXPERTS ON THIS. Ketoacids? Good medicine? Cahill GF Jr, Veech RL. D-beta-hydroxybutyrate, the principal "ketone" body in starving man, displaces glucose as the predominating fuel for brain, decreasing the need for glucose synthesis in liver (and kidney) and accordingly spares its precursor, muscle-derived amino acids. Thus normal 70 kg. man survives 2-3 months of starvation instead of several weeks, and obese man many months to over a year. Without this metabolic adaptation, H. sapiens could not have evolved such a large brain. Recent studies have shown that D-beta-hydroxybutyrate, the principal "ketone", is not just a fuel, but a "superfuel" more efficiently producing ATP energy than glucose or fatty acid. In a perfused rat heart preparation, it increased contractility and decreased oxygen consumption. It has also protected neuronal cells in tissue culture against exposure to toxins associated with Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. In a rodent model it decreased the death of lung cells induced by hemorrhagic shock. Also, mice exposed to hypoxia survived longer. These and other data suggest a potential use of beta-hydroxybutyrate in a number of medical and non-medical conditions where oxygen supply or substrate utilization may be limited. Efforts are underway to prepare esters of beta-hydroxybutyrate which can be taken orally or parenterally to study its potential therapeutic applications. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12813917[/url]

03-11-2005, 12:40 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=BringnIt]Come on Gunn, you know that's just the carbs talking...[/QUOTE] Did you get those 2 rep's from Belaglazov???

03-11-2005, 12:42 AM

belaglazov

I've been working out for over 5 years on and off. You are either part of a scam, or have been brainwashed by a scam. WHAT SCAM IS THAT. WHAT DOES YOU WORKING OUT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING. YES YOU MIGHT BE LEAN AND MUSCULAR BUT DEPENDING ON GLYCOGEN YOU CAN NOT HAVE OPTIMIZED THE PROCESS OF BEING AT YOUR BEST MEANING MORE MUSCLE AND LESS FAT.

03-11-2005, 12:44 AM

BringnIt

Uh, I'm not sure, I didn't even notice them.

03-11-2005, 12:45 AM

belaglazov

This Isn't An Opinion These Are The Facts. Fat's Your Primary Fuel And To Use Fat Efficently There Is An Adaptation Period To Go From A Carb Burner To A Fat Burner. Carb Loading Will Not Achive This.

03-11-2005, 12:45 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]I've been working out for over 5 years on and off. You are either part of a scam, or have been brainwashed by a scam. WHAT SCAM IS THAT. WHAT DOES YOU WORKING OUT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING. YES YOU MIGHT BE LEAN AND MUSCULAR BUT DEPENDING ON GLYCOGEN YOU CAN NOT HAVE OPTIMIZED THE PROCESS OF BEING AT YOUR BEST MEANING MORE MUSCLE AND LESS FAT.[/QUOTE] Working out for 5 years mean I have seen alot of scams come and go. I'm just saying all of your posts sound like BS.

03-11-2005, 12:46 AM

BringnIt

How do I check where the reps came from...?

03-11-2005, 12:48 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=BringnIt]How do I check where the reps came from...?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure, but they probly came from Belaglazov cause your buying into his BS.

03-11-2005, 12:50 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=str8flexed]god just another sheep. Doesn't anyone think for themselves anymore. so what you are saying is low carb diets increase lipolysis. NO ****. Thanks for the newsflash lol. do you even know what liver enzymes you are talking about? Additionally, you do realize that ketones can only be used oxidatively, not glycolytically. Guess what lifting heavy weights is... glycolytic. Fortunately your body can make about 120g of glucose per day via gluconeogensis but much of that will go to fuel the brain, red blood cells, and central nervous system. That doesn't leave much left over and thus your anaerobic performance will suffer.[/QUOTE] Bump.

03-11-2005, 12:50 AM

belaglazov

And You Know What Gunn I Don't Blame You. All The Studies Out There Have Been Done On Carb Athletes No Studies Have Been Done On Fat Adapted Organism Very Few Have But Those Studies Stopped Because They Were Scared About The Saturated Fat Myth. Ellis Learned All This In Med School. He Studies Fuel Metabolism And Was A Vegetrain For 3 Years And Fell In The Carb Trap. There Are Other Scientists Like Him Who Know About Fat Adaptation But Very Few. I Was You 2 Years Ago I Thought It's Impossible To Compete Without Carbs. Not Anymore. All I'm Saying Is Give It A Chance For 2 Months Keep Carbs At 50 Grams. You Will Shrink Like Hell For The First Weeks But Once You Reach That Level When You've Adapted Oh Boy Look Out.

03-11-2005, 12:52 AM

BringnIt

Hey, I was kidding, I'm drinking a nice big glass of skim milk as we speak.

03-11-2005, 12:55 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]And You Know What Gunn I Don't Blame You. All The Studies Out There Have Been Done On Carb Athletes No Studies Have Been Done On Fat Adapted Organism Very Few Have But Those Studies Stopped Because They Were Scared About The Saturated Fat Myth. Ellis Learned All This In Med School. He Studies Fuel Metabolism And Was A Vegetrain For 3 Years And Fell In The Carb Trap. There Are Other Scientists Like Him Who Know About Fat Adaptation But Very Few. I Was You 2 Years Ago I Thought It's Impossible To Compete Without Carbs. Not Anymore. All I'm Saying Is Give It A Chance For 2 Months Keep Carbs At 50 Grams. You Will Shrink Like Hell For The First Weeks But Once You Reach That Level When You've Adapted Oh Boy Look Out.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever heard of a book called "The Rice Diet". I'm not sure, but I think the guy that wrote it had a Phd. I'm not saying that book has anything to do with what your saying, but just because someone has a Phd, dosent mean there always right.

03-11-2005, 12:55 AM

belaglazov

gunn listen THE CELLS OF A FAT ADAPTED PERSON DON'T NEED GLUCOSE BECAUSE THEY RELY ON FAT. FAT BECOMES THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF FUEL FOR MUSCLE AND ORGANS AND FAT CELLS TAKE UP LITTLE FAT OR GLUCOSE BUT ACTIVALY RELEASE FAT INTO THE CIRCUALTION FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THE ACTIVE TISSUES. SINCE THESE CELLS REDUCE THEIR USE OF GLUCOSE THERE'S NO NEED FOR INSULIN SENSITIVITY BECAUSE INSULIN ISN'T NEEDED. THIS, THEN, IS THE REASON WHY INSULIN SECRETION FROM THE PANCREAS DECREASES AS MUCH AS 80 PERCENT. THIS SWITCH OVER IS THEREFORE A MANIFESTLY POSTIVE ADAPTIVE RESPONSES TO THE DECREASE IN GLUCOSE EXPOSURE. YOURE HOLDING ON TO THIS CARB THING AND SAYING MY PERFORMANCE WILL SUFFER WHEN IN FACT IT'S TWICE AS BETTER WHEN ON CARBS.

03-11-2005, 12:57 AM

belaglazov

Of Course I Know That But I'm Talking About Personal Experince Here Not Some Bs Theory. An Expericence That I And Many Other People Like Steve Maxwell Expericned. Ellis Is The Expert On This. He May Not Know It All But When It Comes To How The Body Works And Fuel Use He Does.

03-11-2005, 12:59 AM

belaglazov

Bout To Go I'll Check Out Your Posts Tommorow.

03-11-2005, 01:05 AM

gaurivaud

[QUOTE=belaglazov] If Burning More Than You Eat This Is The Only Diet Where You Can Truly Successfully Build Muscle And Lose Fat.[/QUOTE] This concept is a strange, I don't understand how you can build muscle if you burn more than you eat, if you burn more than you eat you don't ahve energy to built something ? OR this means that energy comes from the fat stores ?? So what is the use of the fat stores ??

03-11-2005, 01:10 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=belaglazov]gunn listen THE CELLS OF A FAT ADAPTED PERSON DON'T NEED GLUCOSE BECAUSE THEY RELY ON FAT. FAT BECOMES THE PRIMARY

SOURCE OF FUEL FOR MUSCLE AND ORGANS AND FAT CELLS TAKE UP LITTLE FAT OR GLUCOSE BUT ACTIVALY RELEASE FAT INTO THE CIRCUALTION FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THE ACTIVE TISSUES. SINCE THESE CELLS REDUCE THEIR USE OF GLUCOSE THERE'S NO NEED FOR INSULIN SENSITIVITY BECAUSE INSULIN ISN'T NEEDED. THIS, THEN, IS THE REASON WHY INSULIN SECRETION FROM THE PANCREAS DECREASES AS MUCH AS 80 PERCENT. THIS SWITCH OVER IS THEREFORE A MANIFESTLY POSTIVE ADAPTIVE RESPONSES TO THE DECREASE IN GLUCOSE EXPOSURE. YOURE HOLDING ON TO THIS CARB THING AND SAYING MY PERFORMANCE WILL SUFFER WHEN IN FACT IT'S TWICE AS BETTER WHEN ON CARBS.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying your body cant run off fat. I'm saying it's unhealth to have fat make up 75% of the food you eat, which you said in post 37. I dont care what any study says.

03-11-2005, 01:18 AM

Gunn21

[QUOTE=str8flexed]vitamin deficiencies are theories? wow.. the engine is running but no one is behind the wheel[/QUOTE] Bump

03-11-2005, 09:09 AM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]Vitaminc C Is Not Needed In A Fat Adapted Organism Eating A High Fat Meat Diet. Type In Steffanson And Read About His Famous Study Made In Belluve Hospital.[/QUOTE] why don't you cite the study. I suppose vitamin b12 isn't needed either or folate or B6 gee doc I don't know how you did it but somehow I can methylate my homocystiene without any folate! That whole vitamin thing is way overblown you are brainwashed one of us is getting their PhD in nutritional science... and guess what, it's not you

03-11-2005, 09:28 AM

velikimajmun

[QUOTE=belaglazov]gunn listen THE CELLS OF A FAT ADAPTED PERSON DON'T NEED GLUCOSE BECAUSE THEY RELY ON FAT. FAT BECOMES THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF FUEL FOR MUSCLE AND ORGANS AND FAT CELLS TAKE UP LITTLE

FAT OR GLUCOSE BUT ACTIVALY RELEASE FAT INTO THE CIRCUALTION FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THE ACTIVE TISSUES. SINCE THESE CELLS REDUCE THEIR USE OF GLUCOSE THERE'S NO NEED FOR INSULIN SENSITIVITY BECAUSE INSULIN ISN'T NEEDED. THIS, THEN, IS THE REASON WHY INSULIN SECRETION FROM THE PANCREAS DECREASES AS MUCH AS 80 PERCENT. THIS SWITCH OVER IS THEREFORE A MANIFESTLY POSTIVE ADAPTIVE RESPONSES TO THE DECREASE IN GLUCOSE EXPOSURE. YOURE HOLDING ON TO THIS CARB THING AND SAYING MY PERFORMANCE WILL SUFFER WHEN IN FACT IT'S TWICE AS BETTER WHEN ON CARBS.[/QUOTE] Are proper sentence structure and paragraphs bad for your health too? Seriously, I tried to read your posts and the only thing I got was a headache.

03-11-2005, 11:18 AM

Jotun

[QUOTE=velikimajmun]Are proper sentence structure and paragraphs bad for your health too? Seriously, I tried to read your posts and the only thing I got was a headache.[/QUOTE] The headache is just a side effect; it will go away in a couple weeks and then you'll be reading with blazing speed and never go back to using those unfounded "grammar rules" and "punctuation."

03-11-2005, 11:19 AM

velikimajmun

[QUOTE=Jotun]The headache is just a side effect; it will go away in a couple weeks and then you'll be reading with blazing speed and never go back to using those unfounded "grammar rules" and "punctuation."[/QUOTE] Nice reps for you

03-11-2005, 01:39 PM

Majors

here is the thing...ketogenic diet can work and work well if you follow them properly...ATKINS IS NOT A PROPER KETO DIET....he has people stay in ketone state while you are on the entirerty of the diet, which by the way can KILL you because when your body has used up glycogin the ph of your body becomes more acidic. however, with a true keto diet there is the card load phase which is usally done on the weekends and this shift the body back to normal..and since you have been in a carb depleted state you body requires this to function properly...ATKINS is to lose WEIGHT KETO is to lose BODY FAT/GAIN MUSCLE

03-11-2005, 02:04 PM

Jahkaya

Why is it when reading this thread I only scroll to read Layne's responses? Low carb and caloric defiects have their place in fat loss, but without carbohydrates and suffcient calories how does one expect to gain muscle? At some point if you are in caolric defiect long enough you WILL lose muscle. Period. Interesting study but it has no place in BBIng. And what does this have to do with IFBB?

03-11-2005, 02:06 PM

str8flexed

ketogenic has it's place but you should not go straight 0 carb on days you will be working with heavy weights. Lyle McDonald has gotten closer than anyone yet with his UD 2.0 as far as maximizing fat loss, muscle retention, etc. There are some things in there I don't agree with but overall he is more right than anyone else's out there by far. Lyle's book is not for those wanting to lose a few vanity pounds though, lyle's book is for people who want to get ****ing peeled. -Layne

03-11-2005, 02:27 PM

Jahkaya

[QUOTE=str8flexed]ketogenic has it's place but you should not go straight 0 carb on days you will be working with heavy weights. Lyle McDonald has gotten closer than anyone yet with his UD 2.0 as far as maximizing fat loss, muscle retention, etc. There are some things in there I don't agree with but overall he is more right than anyone else's out there by far. Lyle's book is not for those wanting to lose a few vanity pounds though, lyle's book is for people who want to get ****ing peeled. -Layne[/QUOTE] Bump to that. Leaning down like nobody's business and strength is actually going up. While eating only 1700 calories four days a week. Oh and cardio only twice a week. That's the best part. That man is on to something. Not to mention that people who want to lose a few vanity pounds probably couldn't hang with the workouts. I Used to pride my self on the volume and pounding my muscles could take in the gym. Now I leave crying like a baby about how I am going to die. I wouldn't have my workouts any other way. INTENSE!

03-11-2005, 05:15 PM

badboyben

Im on a permanent CK Diet. Carb load meals are the way to go because:

1) Metabolic Benefits A continously restricted carbohydrate diet causes a reduction in T3, but administering carbs can restore T3 levels. 2) Exercise Peformance Carb load repleneshes muscle glycogen stores. Glycogen is crucial to generating intensity when working out. 3) Anabolic Benefits (i mentioned before in post 4) Insulin shuttles sugar and amino acids and other nutrients into muscles Insulin inhibits protein breakdown Insulin is necessary for the production of IGF-1 And very importantly, periodicly high carb feedings can boost testosterone by reducing sex hormone binding globulin. I have shown you why a carb load is beneficial (and i can even list references), so can you show me why it isnt??

03-11-2005, 05:43 PM

badboyben

[QUOTE=belaglazov]HA FUNNY YOU SAID THAT. THE FOOD YOU EAT DETERMINES YOUR BODY COMPOISTION. ONE CAN GET LEAN EATING NOITHING BUT CAKES AS LONG AS HE MAINTAINS AN ENERGY BALANCE. HE'LL BE A LITTLE FATTER AT THE END OF THE DAY WILL NO MUSCLE BUT IT WILL WORK. Too many Calories make you fat. So it's possible to eat a high carb diet and remain lean if you undereat as the asians do but you see why their body composition is so horrible.[/QUOTE] Is your real name Dr Ellis? Anyway in regards to the asians there body comsposions are better than the americans. Compare the average american to the average jap and then tell me who is so horrible. Even though i believe in a low carb diet (with carb load) for health and body compostion reasons, how come the Japs average life span is 80+ years? I think its the highest i nthe world. They eat high carbs, and on top of that they live in a populated and polluted country. Dont forget my 1st question either...

03-12-2005, 12:55 PM

belaglazov

WELL I DON'T SEE TOO MANY JAPANESE PLUS 200 LBS OF MUSCLE WALKING AROUND. THEY UNDEREAT IT'S BEEN KNOWN IF YOU CALORIE RESTRICTION PROLONGS YOUR LIFE NO MATTER WHAT DIET YOU ARE ON. MY MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO CARB LOAD. SOME GUY ON HERE SAID YOU'LL DIE ON A ZERO CARB DIET BECAUSE YOURE PH LEVEL WILL GO DOWN. YOUR PH LEVEL CANNOT BECOME MORE ACIDIC. THEY'RE ALL CONTROLLED BY BUFFERS AND ANY DEVIATION WILL LEAD TO DEATH. IT SEEMS ONLY 2 PEOPLE HERE SAW EVERYTING I WROTE. ALL OF YOU ARE

SAYING GLYCOGEN IS CRUCIAL FOR MUSCULAR CONTRACTIONS. THAT'S TRUE IN A CARB ADATPED ORGANISM NOT IN A FAT ADAPTED ORGANISM. DOING CARB LOADS WILL NOT MAKE YOU REACH FAT ADAPTATAION. FAT ADAPTATION WILL BE REACHED 60-80 GRAMS IN 2-6 MONTHS. HAS ANYONE DONE IT HERE THIS LONG? HAS ANYONE HEAR KEPT CARBS AT 50 GRAMS FOR 2 MONTHS. YES THERE'S AN ADAPTATION PERIOD BUT I'M TELLING YOU GUYS IT WILL BE WORTH IT. NONE OF THOSE KETOGENIC GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. GREG ELLI STUDIED FUEL METABOLISM AND KETONES. THAT WAS HIS PROJECT FOR HIS PHD. WHEN HE ADMINISTERED THE RATS ESTROGEN HE FOUND OUT THAT THE ESTROGEN WAS SPARRING THE GLYCOGEN. AFTER A 1 MOINTH ADAPTATION HIS FAT ADAPTED RATS DID 120 PERCENT BETTER THAN THE ONES WHO WERE GLYCOGEN LOADED. I'LL POST THE STUDY BUT I DOUBT ANYONE WILL BE ABLE TO READ IT THOUGH. HE HAS MANY HERE'S ONE. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1761465[/url] NO I AM NOT GREG ELLIS BUT AM A SUPPORTER OF HIM. SO IS STEVE MAXWELL ONE OF THE TOP GRAPPLERS IN THE WORLD. I KNOW YOU GUYS KEEP TALKING ABOUT GLYCOGEN BUT IT ISN'T NEEDED IN A FAT ADAPTED ORGANISM. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1761465[/url] Fat doesn't have any glycogen in it so from the carbs you eat a little go into muscle glycogen and the rest are converted into fat. Remember, one only has about 300 grams of glycogen in their whole body's muscles. The mind break is good and I'm sure you're back into ketosis. A better source of fuel than the glycogen would be your stores of intramuscular triglycerides particularly since your muscle prefers to burn the fat over glycogen anyway. So by doing the process you're doing, you'll never optimize this fat burning process and allow you to get as strong as you may want. But this is all a bit of nitpicking because this would only be of concern to someone making their living by performance. If the break helps you hang on the diet longer with less trouble than OK. I'm just always thinking of the optimizing of performance issue and the carb loading is counterproductive to that. SO CARB LOADING WILL NOT GET YOU TRULY FAT ADAPTED MEANING NO GLYCGEN AT ALL.

belaglazov

The facts are: 75% of all fuel used by a muscle comes from the burning of fat and most of that coming from intramuscular triglycerides. How to slow this down? Eat carbs and that is the reason everyone came up with this notion because all scientific studies have been done on carb-adapted organisms. And scientists haven't yet realized that this has been the major limitation to the studies as to what fuel a contracting muscle uses. Oh yeah, they say fat is OK until the intensity increases and then we need to rely on carbs. That's not true, however, in fat-adapted organisms as a few studies now show. But the scientists just don't have it altogether yet to figure it out. It just so happened that I did because I've studied all this stuff

and trained too. They just don't have enough experience to put it all together. ELLIS does. EXPERIENCE IS A MUCH BETTER TEACHER THAN THEORY. It will die real hard and I expect few to accept it. But, when you do, and you see how it works, you'll become a convert. Maxwell knows. Your strength goes up because you have more endurance on fat -- that's what the muscle wants to burn. The scientists know this but they don't know how to make the manipulations required to make it happen. VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON THE LEVEL THAT DR ELLIS HAS. VERY FEW SCIENTISTS KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPTATION. DIPASQUILE, MCDONALD WHATEVER HIS NAME AND FAIGIN DON'T KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPATATION. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE WORKING CLOSE TO ELLIS DO. YAH I KNOW DON;T BELEIVE A PHD WELL I'VE TRIED IT WORKED IF IT DIDIN'T I WOULD'VE CALLED HIM A JOKE. STEVE MAXWELL ONE OF THE TOP GRAPPLERS IN THE WORLD TRIED IT TO AND IT WORKED. ELLIS REALIZED THAT KETONES PRODUCE ATP MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN GLUCOSE AND FATTY ACIDS. RICHARD VEECH ONE OF THE LEADING EXPERTS ON KETONES FIGURED THIS OUT TOO. I POSTED THIS STUDY IN PAGE 2 I THINK?

03-12-2005, 01:06 PM

belaglazov

I'm Not Here To Blab On About This And This. I'm Here So You Guys Can Try This Experience. Once You Become Fat Adapted The Muscles Will Fill Out And Become Even Larger With Fat. Remember Carb Loading Will Diminish This.

03-12-2005, 01:08 PM

belaglazov

Remember This Glycogen Isn't Needed In A Fat Adapted Organism. If Youre Using Glycogen You're Not Fat Adapted. Only One Wat To Try It And 2 Weeks Will Not Get You There. It's 2-6 Months From My Expericence And Steve Maxwell's Although You Feel Much Better After 1 Month And Mentally You Will Be More Alert.

03-12-2005, 01:09 PM

belaglazov

The facts are: 75% of all fuel used by a muscle comes from the burning of fat and most of that coming from intramuscular triglycerides. How to slow this down? Eat carbs and that is the reason everyone came up with this notion because all scientific studies have been done on carb-adapted organisms. And scientists haven't yet realized that this has been the major limitation to the studies as to what fuel a contracting muscle uses. Oh yeah, they say fat is OK until the intensity increases and then we need to rely on carbs. That's not true, however, in fat-adapted organisms as a few studies now show. But the scientists just don't have it altogether yet to figure it out. It just so happened that I did because I've studied all this stuff and trained too. They just don't have enough experience to put it all together. ELLIS does. EXPERIENCE IS A MUCH BETTER TEACHER THAN THEORY. It will die real hard and I expect few to accept it. But, when you do, and you see how it

works, you'll become a convert. Maxwell knows. Your strength goes up because you have more endurance on fat -- that's what the muscle wants to burn. The scientists know this but they don't know how to make the manipulations required to make it happen. VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON THE LEVEL THAT DR ELLIS HAS. VERY FEW SCIENTISTS KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPTATION. DIPASQUILE, MCDONALD WHATEVER HIS NAME AND FAIGIN DON'T KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPATATION. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE WORKING CLOSE TO ELLIS DO. YAH I KNOW DON;T BELEIVE A PHD WELL I'VE TRIED IT WORKED IF IT DIDIN'T I WOULD'VE CALLED HIM A JOKE. STEVE MAXWELL ONE OF THE TOP GRAPPLERS IN THE WORLD TRIED IT TO AND IT WORKED. ELLIS REALIZED THAT KETONES PRODUCE ATP MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN GLUCOSE AND FATTY ACIDS. RICHARD VEECH ONE OF THE LEADING EXPERTS ON KETONES FIGURED THIS OUT TOO. I POSTED THIS STUDY IN PAGE 2 I THINK?

03-12-2005, 01:10 PM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]The facts are: 75% of all fuel used by a muscle comes from the burning of fat and most of that coming from intramuscular triglycerides. How to slow this down? Eat carbs and that is the reason everyone came up with this notion because all scientific studies have been done on carb-adapted organisms. And scientists haven't yet realized that this has been the major limitation to the studies as to what fuel a contracting muscle uses. Oh yeah, they say fat is OK until the intensity increases and then we need to rely on carbs. That's not true, however, in fat-adapted organisms as a few studies now show. But the scientists just don't have it altogether yet to figure it out. It just so happened that I did because I've studied all this stuff and trained too. They just don't have enough experience to put it all together. ELLIS does. EXPERIENCE IS A MUCH BETTER TEACHER THAN THEORY. It will die real hard and I expect few to accept it. But, when you do, and you see how it works, you'll become a convert. Maxwell knows. Your strength goes up because you have more endurance on fat -- that's what the muscle wants to burn. The scientists know this but they don't know how to make the manipulations required to make it happen. VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON THE LEVEL THAT DR ELLIS HAS. VERY FEW SCIENTISTS KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPTATION. DIPASQUILE, MCDONALD WHATEVER HIS NAME AND FAIGIN DON'T KNOW ABOUT FAT ADAPATATION. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE WORKING CLOSE TO ELLIS DO. YAH I KNOW DON;T BELEIVE A PHD WELL I'VE TRIED IT WORKED IF IT DIDIN'T I WOULD'VE CALLED HIM A JOKE. STEVE MAXWELL ONE OF THE TOP GRAPPLERS IN THE WORLD TRIED IT TO AND IT WORKED. ELLIS REALIZED THAT KETONES PRODUCE ATP MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN GLUCOSE AND FATTY ACIDS. RICHARD VEECH ONE OF THE LEADING EXPERTS ON KETONES FIGURED THIS OUT TOO. I POSTED THIS STUDY IN PAGE 2 I THINK?[/QUOTE] you have a very very small grasp of metabolism based on only one physiologic situation... rest. You have no idea how metabolism changes during activity

03-12-2005, 01:11 PM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]Remember This Glycogen Isn't Needed In A Fat Adapted Organism. If Youre Using Glycogen You're Not Fat Adapted. Only One Wat To Try It And 2 Weeks Will Not Get You There. It's 2-6 Months From My Expericence And Steve Maxwell's Although You Feel Much Better After 1 Month And Mentally You Will Be More Alert.[/QUOTE] it's not is it? Shall i show you all the studies that find that performance is proportional to the amount of glycogen stored? Additionally FATS CANNOT BE USED DURING ANAEROBIC EXERCISE ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME... take your head out of your rear.

03-12-2005, 01:13 PM

belaglazov

Oh And There Are Plenty Of Scientis Disputing The Theory About Heart Disease And Fat. Mary Enig Is One Of Them And So Is Ellis. I'v Chekced My Blood Pressure And Lipids They're All Perfect. My Pulse Is Around 55 And Blood Pressure 114/75. On Carbs It Was Close To 127/80 And Pulse Is 80. But Hey I'm Just Talking From Experience Not Theory. So You Can Beleive All You Want But Experience Will Teach You Much More. When You Lose Body Fat Saturated Fat Pours Into Your Blood. We Know Losing Weight Is Good For Us How So With All That Saturated Fat In Our Blood? We Make Extremly Nice Saturated Fat From The Carbs We Eat So Don't Fear It Eat Saturated Fat And Plenty Of It. Even Dipasquile Beleives This But He' Still Holding On To The Carb Load Issue. He Came Real Close But Dosen't Know About Fat Adaptation.

03-12-2005, 01:14 PM

belaglazov

At Least Read What I Wrote First.

03-12-2005, 01:17 PM

belaglazov

No Meatter What I Tell You About Adaptation You'll Just Keep Blabbing Studies Done On Athletes Consuming A **** Load Of Carbs. Steve Maxwell Has His Own Gym In Philadelphia Maxerxicse And Persnoally Witnesses Hundreds Of People Becoming Fat Adapted After Dropping All Carbs For 1 Month.

03-12-2005, 01:18 PM

belaglazov

it's not is it? Shall i show you all the studies that find that performance is proportional to the amount of glycogen stored?

GO AHEAD SHOW ME OH AND HOW LONG WERE THE STUDIES DONE FOR? 2-6 MONTHS OR 2-3 WEEKS?

03-12-2005, 01:19 PM

belaglazov

Oh And People Eating Carbs So They Were Not Even Adapted To Burning Fat. LISTEN I'M LIVING PROOF OF THIS SO IS STEVE MAXWELL AND THE THOUSANDS OF CLIENTS HE ENCOUNTERS EVERYDAY.

03-12-2005, 01:21 PM

belaglazov

All those studies are done on people who have not had time to adapt to burning fat. Ketosis is a moot point when it comes to the fat adapted. It is a brief phenomenom that occurs when one first adapts to burning fat and then it still isn't any big health issue. Intramuscular triglycerides are the primary source of muscular work, even in non-fat adapted trainees. Glucose supplies only about 15 % of the fuel for muscular work. Check any bio-chemistry text book. Glucose is only a minor fuel and is used up fairly quickly. Fat supplies glucose needs as well as protein.

03-12-2005, 01:23 PM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]No Meatter What I Tell You About Adaptation You'll Just Keep Blabbing Studies Done On Athletes Consuming A **** Load Of Carbs. Steve Maxwell Has His Own Gym In Philadelphia Maxerxicse And Persnoally Witnesses Hundreds Of People Becoming Fat Adapted After Dropping All Carbs For 1 Month.[/QUOTE] you are a moron and i'm done arguing with you. you can rub people's faces in **** and they'll still think it's chocolate cake if you market it well enough

03-12-2005, 01:24 PM

belaglazov

Remember what ketosis is: it is a production of ketones bodies because the rate of release of free fatty acids from fat tissue is happening faster than they can be burned. They are toxic at high levels, so the liver converts them into the less toxic ketones which in turn stimulate the pancreas to release insulin which then slows the rate of free fatty acid release. This is why ketones are bad in diabetes because they cannot release insulin to shut down the fat release. NOT IN NON DIABETICS. Fat adapted organisms burn all of their ketones and there is nothing leftover to spill into the urine.

03-12-2005, 01:45 PM

str8flexed

[QUOTE=belaglazov]Remember what ketosis is: it is a production of ketones bodies because the rate of release of free fatty acids from fat tissue is happening faster than they can be burned. They are toxic at high levels, so the liver converts them into the less toxic ketones which in turn stimulate the pancreas to release insulin which then slows the rate of free fatty acid release. This is why ketones are bad in diabetes because they cannot release insulin to shut down the fat release. NOT IN NON DIABETICS. Fat adapted organisms burn all of their ketones and there is nothing leftover to spill into the urine.[/QUOTE] that is true, ketones aren't nessecarily bad for you in a low insulin environment... but you still have yet to address the issues i have brought up. Why? Because you don't know how to address them, you have only been taught metabolism from one biased angle... wheras I have learned it in a more holistic view.

03-12-2005, 02:10 PM

ironman1964bc

I tend to agree with most of what Ellis says. The problem is 99% of us have lived our lives eating alot of carbs. To change over now to fat adaption is a real bitch, at least for most of us. Some low carb experts say that it may take up to 1 year for a person to be completely fat adapted. Who the hell wants to have their workouts suffer up to a year trying to get used to this way of eating. Most bodybuilders look good and feel good already on a moderate carb diet. They have no reason to change. For someone who is 30 lbs overweight, than maybe the suffering will be worth it.

03-12-2005, 03:50 PM

badboyben

You forgot to answer my question from post 98. I have shown you why a carb load is beneficial (and i can even list references), so can you show me why it isnt??

12-31-2005, 03:45 PM

mark_uk

This is all very interesting belaglazov. Can u tell me what he difference is between Atkins and Dr Ellis diet coz im getting confused ? I take it that the difference being u count calories on Eliss's and not on Atkins.