I tried replying over there but I can't yet so I'll make some observations here.

The spirits of the LHG aren't qlippothic. The qlippoth, or Meon as Bertiaux calls it, are actually not worked except by advanced chelas under a teacher because of the danger it represents. It is quite advanced work in the M7R. These are very primal spirits though. They do have the affect of increasing the libido and also the magnetic qualities of our spiritual make up. People become more drawn to us. In my past experiences with the LHG I found I became a magnet for people, often overpoweringly so. I also found my personality changing in positive ways. I became more outgoing and social, an introvert becoming an extrovert. I lost 135 pounds in a very short period of time without noticing until someone bought me a couple pairs of pants because all of a sudden I was half the person I was! I'd call all that very positive. That said, no this current isn't for everyone, the poster commenting on his negative experiences is very uncommon though.

Barrabas post is very salacious and also, knowing several people who know Bertiaux, my best friend for twenty years is a personal chela, inaccurate. His assertions about Allen just fuel my belief about how radically inaccurate they are. I've not met MB personally, my mentor is a different member of the order. My friend contacted MB himself and that was how he became a student.

My statements about ancestors are based on not just experience but also insights gleaned from conversations with other members of the M7R working the LHG, advanced and beginners. The LHG isn't something we have to work, or even work at all in the M7R, but it is just so damn practical, especially for those of us of a Solomonic bent when we don't have time to get out all the rigmarole. You are not contacting the Lwa with the LHG, this is not a Gnostic Voudon text but a general text that MB wrote that operates independent of the OTOA and LCN or any other Order. For people im the M7R, the simple rites of the LHG become very different as we work with the course work. They become a lot more individualized but also new things are put in them, words, ritual forms, uses etc. The text was originally advertised in magazines as for sale and published on its own. When Herman Slater published the VGW he threw it in there as an introductory text. Think about the spirits being contacted here, the DEAD and the sea. The dead are our ancestors in a very broad and a specific sense in this case. These are also local spirits that we are contacting in this work, just as in hoodoo. Further, look at hoodoo and voudon traditions and the importance of ancestors. These are not lwa! To work with Lwa one must be initiated by a priest, and the OTOA is very much in that tradition! You're free to disagree, I think that's brilliant. I'm presenting my experience.

The VGW is composed of lectures and instructions MB wrote for his personal, advanced students. A lot of that material makes very little sense without the M7R course work as a foundation but can be worked without it but you aren't linking up with the current in that way, but something entirely different. Some people mention Morrison's Invisibles, which makes liberal use of these materials in delightfully imaginative ways, but they are his interpretations of the later materials and pretty awesome at that! One can use the LHG as a foundation to work with those later materials, in fact that simple altar arrangement reveals a lot, especially when you get into M7R, about the current and is a solid foundation for building the temple.

Ties to Grant are exaggerated. While friendly to the Typhonian Order, the OTOA isn't Thelemic, but Gnostic and the Magick is very different more founded in preGD structures than in Crowley's Thelemic/GD structure. Most of us don't do pentagram rituals, the elements are thought of differently and similar terms have different meanings. I dare say that Grant was more influenced by MB than anyone else in his work post Cults of the Shadow. His focus on the Qlippoth being one example. While early on Grant was very much in alignment with the idea of the qlippoth being advanced work, he also relaxed that and opened a gate to Universe B that

many aspirants just aren't ready for by any means!

Typing on my kindle, which is not easy so forgive any "tone"! Lol my blog posts are to get people thinking about the LHG as a serious grimoire and not some mad concoction! It is a fun book to work with and I want to see people thinking about it and finding new ways to use it. I love that it has people talking!