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Renegade:GordonNovelonCameraAvideointerviewwithGordonNovelLosAngeles,December2006
Shot,editedanddirectedbyKerryCassidyandBillRyan
G:MynameisGordonNovel.IhavebeeninvolvedinthingslikeWatergateandJFKsassassination,theDeLoreandramaandWaco.Andothersthatwouldbebetternotmentioned.
Theyrealloverourrights.Youknow,theConstitutionsoutthewindow.ThePatriotActisajoke.Itsafascistdocument.
OntheParadoxescreatedbyknowingthefuture
G:Why?Andtheansweris:paradoxes.Theyrecognizedinthemid50stheyprobablyhadrigsatDugwayetc,thatwasbeginningtogoupanddownfromthethingandtheybegantorecognizetheparadox.Theparadoxesare:Tellmehowyouregoingtoruntheeconomy.WeregettingreadytocutlooseastudywithArlingtonInstituteonhowdoyourunaneconomyifyouknowthefuture.Howdoyoudoit?Howdoyoudoit?
Gordon'svisionforthefuture
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G:Wereinterestedinthe,ah,Plutopianenhancementoftheeconomyfromabout44trillionGDPcurrentlytoaboutaquadrillionayearinabouttenyears,makingeverybodyabout100timesmorewealthyandspreadingthewealthoutandcausinganequalization.Andpeopledonthavetoworkiftheydonthavetopayforenergy.OnETG:Buthowmanyofemarereal?HaveyoueverseenaphotographofanETthatyoureallybelievedwasaphotographofET?AndtheanswerisIaintseenoneyet.AnddoIbelievetheyreoutthere?Ofcourse,yes,but,youknow...WhatBurischsaidseemstoberealandIwouldbelievethathegottomeetem...TheywouldinterfacewithMajesticbeforetheywouldinterfacewithagroupofmadrebels.OK?TheExtraterrestrialRevolutionG:Iminfavorofthe...whatIcalltheextraterrestrialrevolutionwhichgetsridoftheneedforgovernmentandallthisofcrapthatgoeswithit,thesedecisionmakersthatbasicallyscrewwithourliveseveryday.OnMajesticG:Theyknowthatwewillplayhardballandthatweknowhowtoplayhardball.Imean,nowthatwe...ThankstoBillHamiltonidentifyingalltheMajesticcharacters,wecanchaseem,youknow?Theyrechaseable.OnDanBurischG:Thatguysreallygotataleand...
KerryCassidy:Thatsright.
G:...andIwouldsuspectthatifheandIcouldgetonthesamepagethathewouldbeabletocommunicatetotheMajesticinnercircle:Hey,youneedtoconsiderwhattheseguysaredoingcause,youknow,theyregonnadoitwithyouorwithoutyou.Theyvegotyourtechnology.Theyvegotit.Theyrepreparedtofightyouatthedropofalawsuit.
K:Well,sowhatdoyouwanttodo?Youwantthemtojoinyourteam?
G:Well,ideally,itwouldbetogetMajesticonourside.
K:ThatswhatImaskingyou.
G:Yeah.Absolutely,youknow.ThenwecouldconfronttheBilderbergers.CausewhenItriedtoconfronttheBilderbergersviaKissingerandBrzezinski,thenextthingIknowisIm...Marijuanasturningupinmypocket,crackcocaineunderthefrontseatofmycar,thisvideotapeisgoingoutandda-da-da-dashowingmyapartmentsbeingblack-bagged.
K:[laughs]
G:Imean,itwasendless.Imean,Ivegotalistofallthatcrap.
G:WhatsthedifferencebetweentheMafiaandthegovernmentiftheyretrying
tokillyou?None.None.Theyreallthesame.Theyreallgangsters.IfIhadtodoabiographytoday,IdtitleitGovernmentbyGangster:MyExperiencesasaCitizenoftheUnitedStatesofAmerica.OnHalPuthoffG:Halhastoldmestoriesofinterviewsthatheshadwithgeneralswhosaid,Yes,weputallthemoneyintopayingforstudiesthatkeepuniversitiesfromdoinganygrantworkinthephysicsdepartment,inline.Wewouldgiveem5milliondollarstodothesexhabitsoffruitfliesandthattypekindofstuff.Andtheypaidoff.Theystoppedallantigravityresearchcommencinginthemid50s.
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Quotingaletteroftestimonial:
Forreasonsbeyondhiscontrol,Mr.Novelisnotresponsibleforthefinaleconomicplanning,construction,management,oroperationsoftheexposition.ForthemanyyearsIhaveknownMr.Novel,hehasalwaysbeenagentlemanandabusinessmanofhonorandintegritywithahighlycreativeandverybroadmacrovision.Hehasextensivebusiness,political,intelligence,researchandtechnicalskills,inprogramplanning,organizationandpropermanagement/executiononanyscale.
Duringthelongtermofourrelationship,Gordonhasbecomenationallyknownforhiscontroversialinvestigativeconcernsandsociopoliticalcampaigns.Heisinpointoffactanabsolutelyfearlessindividualinpursuitofthepeoplesjusticewhenhebelievesintherighteousnessofhiscause.BydefinitionheisatrueAmericanpatriot.
Ihighlyrecommendhimtoanyoneforhisexperience,leadership,genius,andpersistenceanddeterminationtoseehisorothersvisionssuccessfullyrealized.
Iamproudtocallhimmyfriend.
Sincerely,
BlaineKernChairman,KernStudios,NewOrleansApril25,2002
BillRyan:Isthatapublishableletter?
Gordon:Yes.
Startofinterview
K:So,Gordon,youareavery,letssay,notoriousindividual...
G:[laughs]
K:...andweareincrediblypleasedtobeabletointerviewyoutoday.Andyouvegotanincredibleprojectthatwerenotgonnatalkaboutatall,Idontthink.Butyouvecertainlygot...Youvecertainlyraisedourcuriosityandouradmirationbytheamazingamountofworkyouregoinginto,toactually...canIsay?Bringfreeenergytotheplanet?
G:Hopefully.
K:Hopefully?
G:Yeah.
K:OK.Tellmealittlebitaboutwhoyouare,forpeoplethathaveneverheard...Iknowitshardtobelieve,but...haveneverheardofGordonNovel.
G:Well,Idontknowhowto...MynameisGordonNovel.IhavebeeninvolvedinthingslikeWatergate,andJFKsassassination,andtheDeLoreandrama,andWaco,andothersthatwouldbebetternotmentionedthatweremoreintelligence
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oriented,orforeignintelligenceoriented,soIkindofstayawayfromtalkingaboutthat.
K:OK.
G:AndIhaveneverworkedfortheCIA.
K:Yes.
G:ImnotaCIAagent.Imaffiliated,Iworkwith,andwehaveamutualadmirationsocietybaseduponmyrelationshipwiththeindividualsIworkwith.
K:OK.Andcanyouname...
G:ButIdontworkforem.
K:...thoseindividualsornot?
G:Uh.Idprefernottoatthistime.Ithinkitwouldbeabetterideanottomentionthem.Theyreknownbut,theresno...Idontneedtheego-tripofthatassociation.
K:OK.AndrightnowyouactuallyhaveaprojectthatyourecomingtoHollywoodto,ah...amovie.ThatsOKtosay,right?
G:Yeah.Yeah.Yep.Weredoingatrilogy...aprojectonatrilogyoffilmscalledKingdomsComewithmyco-producerDougIvanovitchandwerecurrentlyintheprocessoffundingtheprojectinthehundredsofmillionsofdollarlevel.
K:OK.AndisitcorrectthattheCIAisactuallybackingyourotherproject?Isthatsomethingyouwanttosay?
G:Well,they...theyreinterestedinsupportingandendorsinganumberofthingsthatImdoingbecausetheyarecapableofchangingthingslikeglobalwarmingandgettingridofglobalwarming,andgettingridofthechaoticconditionsofourcurrentNewWorldOrderandthatkindofthing.Gettingridof
themurderandmayhemthatgoesonontheplanet.
K:OK.Andthisis,now,wouldyousay,thegoodsideoftheCIA?Thereismore...
G:Definitely.
K:...thanonesideoftheCIA,istherenot?
G:TheCIAhasmultiplesidesbutitsbeenmyexperienceovertheyearsthattheyrebasicallytheonlygoodguysintheentireUnitedStatesgovernment.Theyrereallypatriots.MostofemarepatriotsandIveneverknown...I
personallyhaveneverknownthemtodoanythingcriminal,ever.AndtheydidntkillJohnKennedyandtheydidntkillalotofpeoplethattheyvebeenaccusedofcausingthedeathofbutIdontknowthattobetrue.SoIcantellyouthatmyexperiencewithemhasbeenlikedealingwithEagleScouts.
K:OK.Howlonghaveyoubeendealingwiththem?
G:Sinceaboutage20.OnthedeathoftheKennedysK:DidyouhaveanythingtodowiththedeathofRobertKennedyorJackKennedy?
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G:No,absolutelynot.Allthat...
K:Nowwhydopeoplethinkthatyoudid?
G:BecauseIwas...firstbecame...IwasworkingattheWhiteHouseandthenonacounter-intelligenceprojectthatwaskindofimportant.And...IgotreferencedovertoGarrisonandhemademehischiefofsecurity.AndIdiscoveredthathewasfabricatingevidence.AndhefoundoutthatIddiscoveredthatandheturneditovertoNBC.Sohedecidedthatthebestwaywastomakemehismostimportantmaterialwitness.Andhewasntaccusingmeofacrime,butitcostmealotofgriefandalotofpeoplethoughtIwasinvolved,whichIwasnt.Neverwasinvolvedinthat.Ihave...
K:OK.And...
G:...oneofthebestalibisintheworld.[chuckles]
K:Andyouactually...Youhavealotoffeeling,orsympatico,isntthattrue,withwhatKennedystoodfor?
G:Yeah.Iwasinfavorofhisrevelationsthatwereapparentlyabouttohappenhavingtodowithextraterrestrialtechnologies.AndIthinkthattheykepthiminthedarkonalotofstuffanditwasoneofthereasonsthatmotivatedhimtowanttogotothemoon.SoIwasveryproJohnF.Kennedy.
K:OK.And...
G:Verypro.
K:Verypro.
G:Yeah.
K:Uhhuh.AndwhataboutRobertKennedy?
G:IwaspersonallyaffiliatedwiththeAttorneyGeneralduringtheGarrisonthingandafterwards,uh,whenheranforPresident.Andmyonlyfeelingabouthimisthatheprobablyhelpedprecipitatealotoftheproblemsthatcausedtheassassinationofhisbrother...
K:OK.So...
G:...bychasingtheMafia,forexample.
K:Uhhuh?
G:TheMafiasupportedhisbrotherselection,substantively,andtheygotveryangryathim,alongwithfolksliketheex-GehlenOrg....GehlenOrganizationoftheNazisandotherpeoplelikethat,thatwereoutto...andMajestic,Imightadd...
K:OK.
G:...werereallyallouttogethimanddidntwanthimto,todo...
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K:SoMajesticwasaroundbackthen.
G:Yeah.
RobertKennedywasassassinatedbyaManchuriancandidate...
K:AnddidtheyhavesomethingtodowiththedeathofRobertKennedy?
G:IdontthinkthattheyhadanythingtodowiththedeathofRobertKennedy.RobertKennedywasmurderedbyassassination.ItwasaManchuriancandidatetypeofthingandIdontknowwhoengineeredit.ButIvenever,ever,knownanindividualattheCIAtoeverindicatetomethattheywerepartofanyplot.AndIveknownalotofem,includingdirectors.
K:AndwhataboutJohnKennedy?WasthataManchuriancandidateaswell?
JohnKennedysassassinwasapatsy...
G:Uh...Nah,Ithinkitwasjustapatsy.Oswaldwaspickedforhisroleinmaybeoneofadozenplotsthatwerebeinghatchedoffatthetimeandhejusthappenedtobeintherightplaceattherighttimetogetthe...topinthetailonthedonkey.
K:OK.Sohowmanyshotswerefired?[smiles]
G:Well,Imean,youcan...asnearasIcanheartherewere,like,threeorfour.So,youknow,Idontbelievethathedidit,thatanybodycouldhavedonethatthewaytheyclaimhedidit.AndIcouldntdoitandIdontknowanybodythatcoulddoit.AndsoIdontbelieveit.IdontbelievetheMannlicher-Carcanodidthedeed.Itmayhavewellbeenusedinthedeed,butdiditactuallycausethedeath?Imnotsurewhatdidit.Itcouldhavebeenfrangiblebulletscomingfromsomewhereelseuponthegrassyknoll.
K:Uhhuh.Anddidyouthinkthat,Iguess,LyndonJohnson,oranyoneelse,had
ahandinit?
G:Iftheydid,theycertainlykeptitawayfrommecauseIwasworkingwiththeChiefofStaffattheWhiteHouseatthetime.WhentheGarrisonthingcamedownIwasworkingwiththeChiefofStaffandIneverknewanyinvolvementbytheChiefofStafforMr.Johnson,andIwasveryfriendlywithbothofem.
K:Uhhuh.
G:Theansweris,Idontthinkthat...Ithinktheywere...thattheywerejustdownthepeckingorderofpowerthatrunstheworldandtheyjusthappenedtobeconvenientlyintheplaceswheretheywereatthetime.
K:OK.So,well,asfarasMajestic,ortheIlluminati,ortheBilderbergsortheRockefellers...
G:TheGehlenOrg.TheGehlenOrg.
K:The"Gehlen..."
G:Org.
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K:Org.
TheIlluminatiandtheGehlenOrg
G:Yeah...therewasaGermanSSofficerbythenameofGehlenwhohadacontinuingorganizationthatcontinuedonpastWorldWarTwothatwassubstantivelyinvolvedinlotsofnastystuff.Andstillistoday.
K:OK.Andaretheysetupinthiscountry?
G:Theyresetupallovertheworldbuttheymostlyanswer,ifnottotheIlluminati...thatstheonlyplaceIknowthattheyanswertoanybody.MostpeopleallanswertotheIlluminatiiftheresanypowerinanycountry.
K:WhataboutMajestic?DotheygetalongwiththeIlluminati?
G:Accordingtomyinformation,MajesticandtheIlluminatiarenotseeingeyetoeyeovertheideaoftriagingthepopulationoftheplanetinordertobringthepopulationdowntoaworkablelevelwhereitssafetohavelife.Wereapproachingaveryhighnumber,aroundsevenbillionpeople,andtheywouldliketotriageabunchofthepopulation.AndMajestic,whichismostlyUSmilitarypeopleandsomeotherforeigners,dontwanttoseethat.TheyrenotinfavorofmassassassinationbyAIDS,viruses,andstufflikethat.
K:SothisisagoodsidetotheMajestic12.
G:ItstheonlygoodsideIknowof.
K:OK.[laugh]BecauseIknowyourenotrealfriendlywiththem.
G:Iamfriendlywithacoupleofthemembersofit,butImnotfriendlywiththeirprogramtodestabilizesomeofmybusinesses.
K:OK.
G:Theywereverynastylastyearandwealmostendedupwhackingeachotherand
itdidnthappenbecauseofaCIAsafehouseagreementthatprotectedmeandsavedmylife,actually.SoImvery,very,veryindebtedtotheCIA.
K:So,whatcanyoutellusaboutwhyyoudontgetalongwithMajestic?Like,whatisitthatputsyouguysatodds?
G:Well...
K:Oreven,maybethislltelluswhytheCIAdoesntgetalongwithMajestic.MajesticandtheCIAG:Wesortofexpropriatedtheirtechnologiesfromthealiensandwerenotgivingitbackandwerejust...
K:Youpersonally...
G:Yeah,yeah,yeah.Wegotveryluckybackabout17,18yearsagoandwegotourhandsonthetechnology,andworkedtoreverseengineeritandprettymuchfigureditout.Atwhichpointwebegantofigureouteverythingthattheyweredoing.SotheydontlikethefactthatIhavethatandIhaveputupaprotectivewallthattheycantbeat.So.They...killingmeisjustgonnacauseittogoallovertheweb.SotheCD-ROMsareallpackagedrealwellagainstthateventuality.TheybetterhopeIneverhaveaheartattack.
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K:OK.Soyousetthatupsoyoureprotected.
G:Yeah.IhavealotoffriendsinforeigncountrieswhohavecopiesoftheCD-ROMwhichisbasicallyagreenmail,one-on-onetypeofdocumentthatsays:AslongasyouleavemealoneIllleaveyoualone.Youfoolwithme,Illeatyourlunch.
K:Sotellmealittlebitabouthowyoucameacross...Imean,yourereallyabig-picturethinker.Andhowdidyouactuallystartthinkingalongtheselines?
G:IstartedoffasanaeronauticalengineerwhenIwasincollegeandIgotrealinterestedinwhatmakesUFOsgoandsoIjustkindofpursuedthetrailofthetechnologyasopposedtothealiensandthatkindofstuff.AndthatsallIdoispursuethetechnology.Igotlucky.IgotveryveryluckyandIgotmyhandsonacutawayoftheirbirdsandthenusedthecutaway...theengineeringcutaways,toreverseengineerthetechnology.
K:Butyourenotbasingyourtheorieson,say,Teslaor...orOtisCarrs,isntthatright?
G:No.No,webaseitonwhatwecanseeisfunctionalandworks,weknowisreal.Wevegotabout12,000framesoffilmofthebirddancingaroundtheskies
ofArea51.
K:So,thisisanARV...isntthatwhatitscalled?RAM:ReplicationAlienMachineG:Uh.Thatswhatsomepeoplecallit.WecallitRAM,ReplicationAlienMachine.
K:Oh,Isee.
G:Wedont...theycallitAlienReproductionVehicle,andwedontdothat.Weareintotheuniversalityofthecircuitdesignthattheyusetonegategravity,inertia,andtime.
K:OK.Soyouknowsomethingabouttimetravelaswell.
G:Yeah.AUFOisprobablyverymuchlikethecarsbackinBacktotheFuture,aflyingtimemachine.
K:OK.
G:Theyrecapableofgoingbackwardsandforwardsintime.
K:Andwhatsyourvisionfortheworld?Couldyoutellusingeneralterms?
G:Ourvisionistogettheenergyouttheresothatwecaneliminateoil,coal,
andgasandnuclearfuelsfrompollutingtheatmosphereandcausingthecarbondioxidethatscreatingtheglobalwarming.Thatandaconcomitantreductioninthecostoflivingbyabout...eightypercentofthecostoflivingisattributedtopayingforenergy.Soifyoudonthavetopayitoutyougettokeepit.
K:OK.Butarentyouworriedabouttheeconomy?Youreactuallytryingtosafeguardcertainaspectsoftheeconomyintheprocess?
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G:Yeah.Theresthe...weareinterestedin,ah,thePlutopianenhancementoftheeconomyfromabout44trillionGDPcurrentlytoaboutaquadrillionayearinabouttenyears,andmakingeverybodyabout100timesmorewealthyandspreadingthewealthoutandcausinganequalization.Andpeopledonthavetoworkiftheydonthavetopayforenergy.
K:OK,so...butyourealso...youreworriedaboutthebankers?Isntthatwhatyoutoldme?
G:Yeah,weredefinitelyworriedabouttheparadoxesthatareassociatedwithtimetravelintermsofitsinterference,andhowyoudrunaneconomyandhowyoudhavegovernmentifyouknewwhatthefuturesgonnabe.Howdoyouhaveinterest?Howdoyouhavestocks?Howdoyouhavebonds?Howdoyouhavebanks?Howdoyouhavetaxes?Howdoyouhavegovernment?Causethatsall...
K:OK.Whyjustbecauseyouregoingtobuildavehicleareyougoingtoknowthefuture?
G:Thevehiclecreatesthoseproblemsthatyoumustresolvebeforeyoucanintroducethetechnology.Youvegottoknowwhattheresolutionofthoseparadoxesare.Wecallem,ah...theycreatemindsetsthatareverydramaticintermsofhowpeoplesbrainsfunction.
K:Isthatbecausewhenyougetinavehicleyoureactuallytimetraveling?
G:Well,tonegategravity,youvegottanegatetimeandsotimeisthepowerofthe...ofthebirdandthatswherethepower...Wedontbelieveitcomesfromspaceorzeropoint.Webelieveitcomesfromtime,purelyandsimply,andthatenergyandtimearethesamething.
K:AndisntBillHamiltonworkingwithyouatthistime?
G:Oh,yeah.
K:Uhhuh.
G:Hesoneofmyscienceteam.
K:Becauseheswrittenabookontimetravel,Iknow.
G:Yeah,yeah.Itsquiteaccurate,Imightadd.
K:Oh,verygood.Thatsnicetohear.AndwhataboutRamseyClark?WhatsyourrelationshipwithRamsey?
G:RamseyandIhavebeenfriendssinceIwasinmyearly20sworkingattheWhiteHouseincounterintelligencemeasures,electroniccountermeasuresfortheJohnsonadministration.IvesubsequentlybeenassociatedwiththeRepublicans,withPresidentJohnson,ImeanPresidentNixonandPresidentReagan.
K:OK.Now,didntyoucallyourselfalibertariananarchist?Isthatright?
G:Yeah.IvegonefrombeingoriginallyaDemocrattoaRepublicantoaLibertariantoaLibertarianAnarchist.Iminfavorofmassivechange.Iminfavorofthe...whatIcalltheextraterrestrialrevolutionwhichgetsridoftheneedforgovernmentandallofthecrapthatgoeswithit,thesedecisionmakersthatbasicallyscrewwithourliveseveryday.
K:OK.
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G:AndIdontthinktheyrenecessary.Ifweknowthefuturewedontneedpeopletomakedecisionsforus.Thedecisionsalreadymade.
K:OK.WhyarentyouworkingwithBobBigelow,forexample?
G:CauseMr.Bigelowisworried,apparently,abouthisfundingfromtheSenateandtheCongressforhisinflatablehabsthathesputtingupintheShuttleandsomeofhissatellitework.Andifhedoesworkonalientechnology,thenhewontgetfunded.Hedbe...Theydontwantafundyouif...Thegovernmentcantfundyouifyouretryingto...
K:IsthatbecauseMajesticholdstherightsoverthealientechnology?
G:No.Th...weowntheintellectualpropertythesedaysandwetellthemthatsoIguesstheyprobablyfiguredoutthatwedfiguredouthowtogetagripontheintellectualproperty,buttheydontwantitoutformanymanyreasons.Imean,youretalkingaboutdestabilizingoil,coal,gas,nuclearandthebanksthatareassociatedwiththecashflow,whichishuge.Its80percentoftheeconomyfortheenergy.Andthatmoneyallflowsthroughbanksandifthebanksdontgetit,whatdotheyget?Theyloseabout80percentoftheircashflow.
K:So.Istheideathattheyreletting...say,theCIAisworkingwithyouonthisnowbecauseitsbasicallycomingtoanendgame?Isthatwhats...
G:Yeah.Imean,its...Theresanevolutiontowardtherevelationofwhatthetechnologyistotheworld,and...InmyopiniontheCIAisprobablygonnabetheonlyagencythatsurvivestherevolution.Ihaventknownonethatwasntapatriot,onethat...Imeanpatriotsthatwalkintobullets.Theyreverybrave...
K:OKbutareyoutalkingaboutpatriotsinthesensethattheUnitedStatesisgonnaruntheworld?
G:PatriotsinthesensethattheUnitedStatesisgonnaevolvealongwiththerestofthenationsoftheworldintosometypeofnew,whatwecallNewEarthOrder,abettersystemof,ah,ofhowthingsworkwhichisnotnecessarilya
worldgovernmentbutprobablyismorelikeasystemwherethefutureisknown.Godwritesthescriptsbefore,timepasses,andheknows...InmostofyourreligionstheyclaimthatGodknowsthepast,thepresentandthefuture.Wellifheknowsthefutureitsbecausehewrotethescript.Ifyoucanseethescript,thenallyoucandoislivethescript.Sothatswhatwebelievehappens,thattheforwardtimescanningcapabilitiesofthetechnologyallowgovernmentstonothavetobegovernments,becausetheresnoneedfordecisionsbybureaucrats.Youdontneedemtotellyouhowtolive.Itsallwrittenouthowitsgonnabe.Allaliens,orextraterrestrials...Idontliketousethewordalien...extraterrestrialcivilizationsprobablyallgothroughtheexactsamerevolution.Oilseemstobeapartoftheevolutionofplanetstogettheirenergyandthentheoilisnolongerneededbecauseitcreatesproblemslikethe
globalwarmingproblemsthatwehavetoday.
K:SoareyoubuildingacrafttogotoMars?
G:Uh...Werebuildingpowergeneratorsandtechnologytobuildstarships.Thatswhats...thatsourobjective.
K:OK.Togototheedgeofthesolarsystem?
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G:Togototheedgeoftheuniverse.Werenotinterestedinthesolarsystem.Thesolarsystem...theresnothingoutthereofanyconsequence.
K:OK.Andhaveyoumetanyaliens?
G:No.No,Iknowpeoplewhoclaimtheyconstantlycommunicatewithemthoughandareintouchwithem,but,no,Ihaventhadthepleasureordispleasure.
K:Haveyouevertalked...haveyouevercommunicatedwiththemthroughyourfriends,say?
G:Mm,yeah.Weattempttohavethesesurrogatelittlediscussions,but...
K:Ohyeah?BecauseyouworkwithLisette...Whatsherlastname?
G:Larkins.
K:Yeah.AndshewrotethebookTalkingwithExtraterrestrials?
G:Uhhuh.
K:And...soundslikeshecommunicateswithsomeoneoutthere.
G:Yeah,Shes...youcantattributeherlevelofintelligencetogoingto
school.Itsjustnotthere,thattypeofthinkingandthetypeofphilosophythatshesaysthattheyadvocate.Andthewaythattheyseelifeandhowweshouldliveitiscompletely...itsnotanythingthatwecurrentlyenjoy.Yeah.So.
K:Allright.Soyouvehaddialoguesthroughher...
G:Anyhow,werecurrentlytryingtosetupcontact.
K:OK.Right.
G:AndIdontknowifwelleverhaveanysuccessatit.
K:OK.Soyou...YoudontknowwhattheETthinksofyou.
G:I...No,andIdontknowwhetherornottheyeventhinkonthatlevel.Wearetryingtofindoutiftheydo.Anditsbeenourexperiencethatwomenseemtorunthefutureand...extraterrestrialsocietiesaresupposedlyleadanddirectedbywomen.So,thefemalesideoftheequation.Sowereveryprothatideabecauseits...Womendontlikewaranddontliketheconsequencesofwar.WeshouldhavemorewomeninCongress.Wedhaveamuchmorepeacefulbusinessofgovernment.
K:Anddoesntawomanfigureprettyprominentlyinyourmoviescenario?
G:Yeah.Wevegotta...thejudgesandtheprosecutorsarewomen.Andwevekind
oflookedatthemastheultra-terrestrial,thefolksthatdontneedspaceshipstomovearound...theyjustthinkandtheyrethere.Soyeah,yeah.Im...wereveryavantgardetowardtheideaofwomenbeingtheleadersoftomorrow,notmen.OnJohnLearK:NowdidntyouusedtobefriendswithJohnLear?
G:Yeah.Yeah,weweregoodfriendsforalongtime.
K:OK.So,didyougotoArea51withhim?Or...
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G:No,Irefused.ThenightthatheandBobLazargotstoppedouttherebytheWackenhutguysandallthat...andallthatwhetherornotitallhappened...Ifithappened,itseemedtometobeakindofasetuproutine.AndDr.Uhlig...GeorgeUhligandIwerefriends,theDirectorofResearchandDevelopmentatHercules,andwedidntwanttogothere.WedidntwanttogowithJohn.Wethoughttherewassomethingsmellyaboutit,sowedidntgo.
K:Youdidntgo...
G:AnditpissedJohnoffnoend.
K:Uhhuh.
G:So.
K:Butyou...youremainedfriendsafterthat?
G:We...Iknewhismomanddadbeforethattimeperiod.Igobacktothelate60swithbeingaffiliatedwithhisfatherandknewhismother,Moya,becauseshewasveryclosetomyfriendJohnDeLoreanandthatkindofthing.OnJohnDeLoreanK:Uhhuh.SowhatcanyoutellusaboutJohnDeLorean?
G:Itsagreatsadness,believeme,whenIsaythathesgone.Becausehewasoneofthegreatmenofall...ofthetwentiethcenturyintermsofhisthinking...Theideaofnon-obsolescentcarsbybuildingcarsoutofstainlesssteelandmakingcarswheretheydidntwearout.Whichisverypossible.Andtheydontwannadoit...Andso.Ithought...Iworkedverycloselywithhim.WedbeenfriendssinceIwas15yearsold.ImethimoutontheBonnevilleSaltFlatswhenhewassponsoringMickeyThompsonslandspeedrecordcar.JohnandIgoway,wayback.Ithoughthewasoneofthegreatmenofalltime.Hereallywas.
K:Soundslikehestosomedegreeaninspirationforwhatyouredoingnow?
G:Hewasgrandmentor.HeknewhowtofightonceheknewwhathewasfightingandheandIwereveryclosefriends.AndheallowedmetokickthecrapoutoftheFBI[smiles]soitwasfun,tobeveryfrank.AndtheFBIsquiteaformidablegroupoffolks.ButwhenIhadJohnDeLoreanasmyassociateandclient,itwaseasytobeattheirbrainsout.Andwebeatem.
K:Butyourenotalawyer,sowhenyousayhewasyourclient,inwhatwaywasheyourclient?
G:Iwashischiefofstrategicplanning.Youmightcallmeachiefinvestigator,likeIamforRamseyClark.IvebeenRamseyschieffor...OnRamseyClarkK:Youreusingpresenttense.YourestillworkingwithRamsey?
G:Yes,yes,yeah.Stillwor...ButIdidntdoSaddam.ImnotaffiliatedwiththeSaddamdefense.Ilefthimout.Imnotbulletproof.RamseysgotahaloandnobodywantstokillaRamsey.ButImnotsuretheywouldntdoittome.So...letsputitlikethis.I...ThestoriesIcouldtellyouIdontwannatellyouaboutthat.Itsaverydangerousgame.Very,verydangerous,thedefenseofSaddamHussein.HehadacoupleofhislawyersmurderedbytheMinistryofInteriorandIthinkthatthewholetrial...ImnotsayingthatSaddamsagoodguy...ThatthewholetrialwasacharadeanditshouldabeenintheHaguealaMilosevic.AndthattryinghimwithoutaSunnijudgeonthebenchand,ah,
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assassinatinglawyersisnotthewayyouconductatrial.Youdontconductatrialbykillingoffsomebodysdefenselawyers.ImamazedthattheydidntkillRamseyClark.
K:OK.ButdidntwesetSaddamuptobeginwithanyway?
G:Yeah,yeah.Imean,Saddamwaslikeasabertoothtiger.AndaftertheIran/Iraqwarandhewasstarving.Andhejumpedoutinthemiddleoftheroadtograbanantelopeouttherehethoughthewasgonnaeat.AndthenextthingheheardwasBeep-Beepandan18-wheeleraimedathim,whichwasusinvadinghim,youknow.
K:Kuwait.
G:Kuwait.Yeah.IdontthinkSaddamshouldvegonetoKuwait.Thatwasadumbmoveandaverybigmistake.Butyougottarealize,theycalledhisloansandhedidnthaveanymoneytopayem,sohecalledtheircountry.Youknow,theyshouldalefthimaloneandlethimrestorehiseconomysothathecouldpayemoff.
K:Whataboutthestargates?Doyoubelieveinthat?
G:Idontbelieveinthestargates.Imnotafanofstargates.Iveheardthattheyexistfrompeoplewhoclaimthat.But...infact,weuseitinthemovie,thetechnologyoftheweaponsdeliverysystemofthefirstmagnitudebecausetheresnowaytostopit.Bang.Opensupoveryourplanetandyouvegotanukegoingoff.Howdoyoustopthat?Theresnodefenseagainstastargateforaweaponsdeliverysystem.So,iftheyexist,theyrethemostformidableweaponsdeliverysystem,otherthanaUFO,thatcouldeverbe.So,philosophicallyIdliketosee...Idliketoseetheeliminationoftheformsofgovernmentthatwehavetodaythatbasically....Theyrealloverourrights.Youknow,theConstitutionsoutthewindow.ThePatriotActisajoke.Itsafascistdocument.
K:Sowhatdoyouthinkoftheneocons?
G:Gangsters.Idcallemgang-banksters.Idontthinkofanything...AnybodythatcangooffandputawarlikeIraqtogetherandkill150,000peoplealldeservetobetriedforwarcrimes.
K:Uhhuh.
G:ThatswhatIbelieve.Theyalloughtabehungforwarcrimes.OnWacoK:ButyouwereveryinvolvedinWaco,isntthatright?
G:Yeah.
K:Sowhatcanyou...WhathappenedwithWaco?Becauseyouhaveaveryinterestingstoryalongthoselines.
G:Theymurderedem.
K:Right.
G:Theymassmurderedem.TheATFattackedemandtheygottheresponsethattheyaskedforbecausetheyknewwhattheyweregoingupagainst.Andtheyblewoffthefrontdoorandtheykilledeverybodystandingaroundthefrontdoor.
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And,ah,theythenhidthefrontdoorafterthey...aftertheyfilledemfullofbulletholesandactuallycameandgotemandgotridofem.Theysettheplaceonfireandtheyblewemupand....
K:Why?Imean,why?Doyouknowwhy?
G:Apparentlypartofthegamesthattheyreplayingtosetusupfor911andsomeoftheotherthingsinordertocreateusintoaneofascistpoliticalpolicestate...
K:Sothatwassomethingatthebeginning?
G:...aquasi-militarypoliticalpolicestate.
K:OK,butdidntyou,ah,tellmethatyougottheFBIsortofintoacornerinthat?
G:Yeah.IgotemwiththeFLIR[Forward-LookingInfra-Red]tape.MyselfandBillColbygottogetherandwediscoveredthattherewasalotofgunshotsintheFLIRtapeandthegovernmentthenputonacharadetestofit.Thejudgewastherealculpritinthewholething.Heengineeredthewholeassassinationofallthosepeople.Obliteration.
K:ButJanetRenohadcompletecontrol,didntshe?
G:Shedid,butshewasjusttherewhenthetruckwentby,orthebuswentby.Andshewasnttherewhentheydidit.Andshecameinalittlelateranddiditandshecovereditallup.AndshedoesntlikemeawholebunchandIdontlikeherabunch.
K:Uhhuh.
G:Sothats...thatsaboutthewaywe...Iconsiderheracriminal,youknow,amajorleaguecriminal.So,Iconsiderallthosepeoplethatassassinatedthosepeople...causethosewereabunchofinnocentpeople.
K:Therewerechildreninthereaswell.
G:Yeah,theykilled28kids.Imean,buttheyvekilled25,000kidsinIraq,sowhatsthebigdeal?
K:Right.
G:Maybemore.Thirty,35,000childrenhavebeenmurderedinthiswaroverthereonterror.Howdoyouhaveawaronterror?Terrorandwarareallthesame.Itsallthesamething.Oneguysterroristisandanothermansfreedomfighterandvisaversa.SoitsaBSwarandthosepeoplehave...weshouldget
outathere.
911
K:OK.Whatabout911?
G:ImafanofJimMarrs.Youknow...Imabelieverthatweprobablyhadabighandindoingthattoo,baseduponthedemolitionofthebuildings.Youcanseethosepuffsofsmokecomingfromthedemolitionchargesoffthebuilding.Sothatsnot,youknow...DoIbelievethattheywoulddosomethinglikethat?
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Yeah.DoIbelievethattheywouldsetitup?Myansweris:WheresOsamabinLaden?Imean,thisgovernmentcouldfindaroachintheBrazilianrainforestifitwantedto...
K:[laughs]
G:...sowhereisOsama?AndIdontbelieveweretryingtocatchhim.Ibelievewehaveadealwithhimandhisfamily.ThebinLadenfamilyandtheBushfamilyarelikethat[showscrossedfingers],so...DoIbelievethatthisisanhonorablegovernment?Theanswersno.DoIbelievethattheyremurderersandmassmurderers?Yes.DoIbelievetheyoughtabeprosecutedinaninternationaltribunalaswarcriminals?Yes.IthinkweneedtogetoutofVietna...Imean,notVietnambutIraq.Itsnotmuchdifferent.Itsjustahorrorshow.Werejustovertheremurderingpeople.Wehaventgotanyjustificationforitwhatsoever.Theresnojustcause.
K:Sincethat,youtalkabout...Idontknow.Idontevengetthelingo,butyouretalkingaboutwet...
G:Imean,whenpeopletrytokillyou,youdowhatyougottadotomakesuretheydontoriftheytrytointimidateyouandyoumakesurethattheydontdoit.
K:Well,Doyouhaveabodyguard?Imeanyoureprettybrave.
G:No,no,no,no.Imprettygoodatthatmyself.
K:Oh,youare...
G:Idontneed...Youcanttrustbodyguards.Theyalwaysendupgettingyoukilled.
K:Really.
G:Yeah.
K:Andso...well,doyoucarry,astheysay?
G:No.No,no,no.Icarryarelationshiparmedwiththebigguythatprotectsmeagainstassholes.
K:OK.
G:Thatsagoodwaytodescribeit.
K:Whats...whatsMJ-12sabsolute,sortof,agenda,inyourview?CauseIgotafeel...Igotafeelthatyouguysareatcrosspurposestosomedegree.
G:Yeah,weareatcrosspurposesbutitsbecauseIwantcontroloftheirtechnologysoIdonthavetogothroughtheR&Dprocessonit.Andwejust
wantadeployitinordertopreventglobalwarmingcauseifyougetridofoil,coal,gasandnuclearyouregoingtogetridofallthepollutionoftheplanet.
K:ButwhywouldntMJ-12wantthesamething?Partofthemdo....
GBecausetheyclicktheirheelstotheBilderbergerswhobasicallywould...are...Theyrepower...theyregreenpower.Imean,theyrethebankersoftheworld.So,theirdesireforpowerisgreaterthantheirdesiretoprotecttheirchildrenandgrandchildrenfrombeingburiedinthesamegravewiththem.Thats
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howIlookatit.
K:Well,yourefamiliarwithDanBurisch,right?
G:Yeah.
K:Andyouveexpressedinterestinworkingwithhim.Isntthattrue?
G:Yeah.
K:So...why?
G:Becausehesgotwires.
K:Hesgotwhat?
G:Hesgotwiresintheplaceswherewedliketohavewires.
K:Oh,youmeancontact?
G:Contact.
K:OK.Areyoualsointerestedinwhatheknows?
G:Mm...
K:Asascientist?
G:Mm.Someofitsinteresting.ButIamintotheideaofbeingabletomakecontactwithextraterrestrialsbecauseIthinkitsanexcellentidea,thattheycouldbehelpful.
K:OK.
G:Theycertainlyhavetheknowledgeofhowtogetpast...theygotpastthetrialandtribulationsthisplanetsgoingthrough...
K:Right.
G:...intheirownsocietyandtheyevolvedintowhatwebelievetobesomewhatof...Wedontcallitutopian.Wecallitplutopian.Sortofamadhouseofideasthatarecompletelydifferentfromwhatweviewaswhatwewouldcallutopia.Buttheideaofgettingridofthecostofenergyinoureconomyisreallygoodbecausethatkeeps80centsoutofeverydollaryoukeep...youspend...staysinyourpocket.Yougetrichthatway.Quick.Everybodygetsrich.
K:OK.So,whendidyoustartworkingonthis?
G:Oh,probablyintheearly70sIgotinvolvedinreallytryingtorunitto
groundanddoingtheinvestigationintermsoftryingtogetourhandsontheirtechnologyandthenweluckedintoitonedayand...
K:Whenyousaywe,whoswe?
TheKnightsTemporal
G:Well,IhaveagroupoffolksthatIcalltheKnightsTemporal,thatare,ah..themostprominentaerospaceengineersandphysicistsintheworldtodayareallpartofateamwecalltheRAMgroup.WecallourselvestheKnights
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Temporal.WetookapageoutoftheideaoftheTemplarswhobasicallyblackmailedthePopetogivethemthefiefdomsoverEurope.Theycreatedthebankingorderswehavetoday.Andso,but,that...Sincewebelievethetechnologyisrootedintime,wecallourselvestheKnightsTemporal.Thealientechnology,theUFO,isbasicallyaflyingtimemachine.Thatswhatwebelieve,anditsallbeknowaboutit.Itindicatesthat.
K:OK.Soyoubelieveintimetravelbutyoudontbelieveinwormholes.Howisthatpossible?
G:Well,becauseIdontneedtoworm-travelifIcangetacrosstheuniversefastenough.Imean,whowantsawormhole?Imean,awormholeisanideathatnobodyhasbeenabletoshowmeanyphysicswhatsoeverthatcanbehappening.Maybeitcan.Idontknow,butitseemslikeitsgonnatakealotofenergytokeepthatholeopen.
K:Sodoyouhaveadegreeinphysics?
G:No.IresearchitlikeIdoallofmyintelligenceoperations.I...
K:Well,comeon,areyouagenius?[smiles]
G:Ialwayswillsaythatthemostunpleasantthinginlifeistohavea200IQina100IQworld.So...doI?Idontknow.IknowthatIamconstantly
offendedbytheignorantbastardsthatliveonthisplanetthatIhavetodealwithallthetime.Andtheyreverydumb.
K:Andoneofthoseignorantbastardsstoleyourgirlfriend?Isthatright?
G:Whichone?Whichonestole...?
K:Idontknow.Imaskingyou.
G:Oh...whattheydidwastheybasicallyknewthatIwasworkingonparadoxresearchforauniversity...oneoftheuniversitiesthatwehaveinvolvedinit...andthattheyknewthatIwasfoolingaroundwithsomethingthatwasverypsychologicallydangerous.Andtheytooktheadvantagetotakesomeloveletters
andrewriteemlikeyouwouldfakeatape,andsentemofftoherandshetookumbrageandIhaventbeenabletoputitback.
K:Andyourelooking,maybe,withyourmovie,to,ah,rekindleyourloveofyourlife?
G:Yeah...Imean,Idgivemyrightarmtodothatbut,youknow,ifshewantsto...AsIvetoldher,shesgonnahavetostandbehindtheAshleyJuddsandthe...
K:Ohcomeon,now.
G:...theJanineTurnersandtheSalmaHayekstogetthejobunlessshessweet...
K:OK.Sowhatelsecanyoutellusaboutwhyyoupursuethiswithsuchreallyalmost...Idontknow...fanaticism.
G:Pursuewhat?
K:Yourideaforthiscraft.BuildingaUFOand...
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G:Well,werenotreallyinterestedsomuchinbuildingthecraftas...Imean,buildingastarshipswonderfulbecausethecraftareshuttlecraft.TheUFOistheshuttlecraftforastarship...
K:OK.
G:...inmostinstances.Andnottosaythattheycantgetacrossasquick.Itsjustalotmoredangerouswhenyoudonthaveasupportsystem.So,whatwebelieveis...isthattheideaistomakepower,makeelectricalpower,beabletoreplace...beabletoputwhatmightlooklikeasiloatautilitygridsitewheretheyhavearelaystationandjustputthatthereandgetagigawattoutofit.Andthat...ifyoucanmassproducethosetoysandgetridoftheneedtopumpoilintothefuelreactorsthatwehaveoutthereto...thatmakepowerandcarsandplanesandboatsandtrainsandeverythingelseisunnecessary.Youcangetridofallthatat.Youdonthavetoflyitinitiallybutyoudefinitelyhavetogetridofit.Wedontneedpetro-burningmachinesandwedontneedtowastealotoftimegoingthroughallofthisevolutionofhydrogeneconomycauseittakesabarrelofoiltomakeabarrelofhydrogenandthatsacharade.
K:OK.Butwhatsgoingtohappen,iftherereEarthchanges,toyourideas?
G:Well,wereinfavorofbeingabletomakechangestotheEarthchanges.Quickly.WereinaracetotrytogetthistechnologydevelopedbeforetheEarthis...Idontcallitglobalwarming.Icallitglobalburning.Imean,itsgettinghot.Itsgettingreallyhot.Andits...Imean,whenyouseethe...
K:Well,isntthisthesunandthesolarflaresgotsomethingtodowith...
G:Somepeoplesaythat.But,Imean,itsobviousthat...fromVicePresidentGoresfilm,UnintendedConsequences,orwhateverhecalledit...weareheatinguptheupperatmospherebypumpingcarbondioxideoutthetailpipesofourcars
andoutofourplanesandoutofourtrainsandoutofourboatsandoutofoureverything.
K:Sothisisthetimebombthatyouthinkyoureupagainst,isglobalwarming.
G:Yeah.Imean,Iveheardthetalesabouttheblackplanetcomingthroughand...
K:Nibiru?
G:...andallthat.Youknow,showme.ImfromMissouri.Yougottashowmeapictureofitcoming,andthenIllbuyit.Buttheytellmeitsthereand,Imean,Iveheardstoriesaboutit,butImean,forme,its...youknow,Ithink
ETkeepsushere.ETcreatedusandETspurposeistokeepthislittlelaboratory,uh,calledEarthgoingforwardtowardevolutionsothatwecangrowuptobecomeextraterrestrialsandspreadourseedoutthroughtheuniverseandbasicallyspreadlife,whichistheprimedirective.Nottogowherenomansgonebefore.Justtogo.Andtotakelifeouttherebecausetheresprobablymoreplacestoputlifethanthereispeopletoputonit.Alotofplanets.
K:OK.Well,thatsactuallyabeautifulidea.
G:Well,thebestthingIcanthinkoftodo.Imeanits...Ivegotenough
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timeinmylifetodoit.
K:Anddoyouthinkyouregoingtolast?Thatyouregoingtodeliverthistime?
G:Well,youknow,allyoucandoingoingupEverestistry,youknow.Imean,doyoumakeittothetopordoyoudont?Imean,itsnottheaccomplishmentofgettingtothetop.Itsthedoingoftryingtodothedeed.Youknow,ifyoudontdothedeed,atleastyoutried,youknow.Theycantsaythatyouwerentaserioustypeofhumanbeing,youknow.OnWatergateK:WeregoingtokindofbacktrackalittlebitandweregoingtoaskyouaboutWatergate...
G:OK.
K:...because,now,ifIunderstand,youwiredtheOvalOffice?
G:Yeah.IputinanelectroniccountermeasuressystemtodefeatpeoplebuggingtheOvalOffice...
K:OK.Andthatwas...
G:...buggingconversationsandrecordinganyconversationsintheroom.
K:Right.Butwereyouinvolvedinalso,supposedly...
G:Erasingallthetapes.Yeah.
K:...erasingallNixonstapes.Right.
G:Uhhuh.Itwasagoodidea.
K:Itwasagoodidea.
G:IwishIdadoneit.
K:OK.Buttheywerenterased.Youheardthemthen,right?
G:Yeah.
K:Youmusthaveheard...
G:All4004tapes.
K:Yeah...andsowhatcanyoutellus?Whatdoyouknow?
G:IthinkifIhad,knowingthelevelofintriguethatwasgoingon...andwhatWatergatewasreallyallaboutwasmuchofacover-upofwhywelostthewarin
Vietnam.Itwas...theywereabouttohaveSenatehearings...[gesturesatcamera]Isthison?
K:Yeah.
G:TheywereabouttohaveSenatehearingsaboutapostmortemonVietnamandthey...ThepowersthatbeelectedtocreateWatergatetotakeourattentionawayfromthepostmortem.AndtheSenateandtheHouseintelligencecommitteesbecamesobusywithWatergatethattheycouldntdothepostmortemonVietnam,whichIbelievewasthecrimeofcrimes.Itwasaterriblecrime.Wewereover
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theretojustgetmoneyandtakethemoneyouttheGoldenTrianglefordopeandtakeitouttoArea51.
K:SoyouresayingthatthemoneyfordopewentstraighttoArea51.
G:ThewholeVietnamexerciseandkilling55,000Americansandabout2millionVietnamesewasforthepurposesofoperatingtheGoldenTrianglesheroinoperationsinordertopumpthemoneyintoArea51,becauseithad...Theycouldntfunditexceptbygoingoffbalancesheets.TheydidVietnamandthentheydidAfghanistaninthe80sandthentheydidColumbiainthe90swiththecocaine,thecrackcocainecrap.Whichisasevilasevilgets.
K:Andsobasicallyyouresayingthatourgovernmentisrunningthedrugs?
G:[shakesheadno]ImsayingthatMajesticisanarm..isnolongerpartofthegovernmentoftheUnitedStates.Itsrun...Itsbeenprivatizedanditsrunbythepeoplethatruntheworld.
K:OK.SoyourealludingtothefactthatMajesticisresponsibleforrunningthedrugs.Isthatwhatyouresaying?
G:Yeah,withthehelpofotheragencies,thegovernment.Theymovedalotofthatmoney.
K:TheFBI?
G:Sortof.Maybe.Probably.Probably.
K:AndnottheCIA?Imean,everyone...
G:Probably.
K:...saystheCIAsinvolvedinallthat.
G:Yeah.ButImnotgonnathrowrocksatem.Theydidwhattheydid,but,youknow,theythoughtthattheyweredoingtherightthing.MarkFelt,whenhetold
BobWoodwardthatthewholereasonforWatergatewasallaboutcoveringuptheVietnameseoperations,thedrugsales,andtheGoldenTriangle,tosupplythemoneytodothebackengineeringoftheUFO,whichcostbillionsuponbillionsuponbillions,hundredbillionplus.
K:Toback-engineertheUFO.TheCrashatRoswellG:Yeah.ThecrashatRoswellandotherplaces.Crashes.
K:SowhatdoyouknowaboutthecrashatRoswell?
G:Whatcharead.Itsalloutthere.
K:DidNixonknow?
G:Probably.
K:Probably?
G:Probably.
K:Areyousayingprobablycauseyouknoworareyousayingprobablybecauseyoudontwanttobe...
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G:Imjustsayingprobably.
K:...ontherecordsaying...
G:Idontwannagoontherecord.IdontknowthatheknewforafactbutIhadinformationwhenIwasattheWhiteHousethathewasdoingthat.
K:OK.McCordandLiddyG:ThatherecognizedthatWatergatewasanexercisethathedidntunderstand,byintelligenceoperativesthatwerejustabitsharperthanhim.LikeMcCordsfindingthe...puttingthetapeonthedoortwicesothattheguardwouldgethimarrested,andthatkindofcrap.Itsbeyondthepale.Anybodythat...ifyoufindthatsomebodyhastakenthetapeoffthedoorthatyoureusingsothatyoucanexittheplace,andyougoputitback,thenallyoureaskingforistogetarrested.SoMcCord,inmyopinion,setthePresidentup.AndLiddywasthepawnandhewasusedmiserablybytheguyswhogavehimtheGemstonegraphicsthatwereusedthatcausedallofWatergate.JustwhatIknow.
K:Uhhuh.Andcanyoutellmeaboutthe...didnttheydevelopthewholeideaoftheManchuriancandidateduringtheVietnamwar?
G:Well,LaurenceHarvey,theactor,probablymightbeabletotellyoumore
aboutthatthanme.Buttheansweristhatthattechnologysprobablybeenaroundawhile.So,youknow,theabilitytogetpeoplewhoare...Imtryingtogettheword.Somnambulisticwheretheyresubjecttobeinghypnotizedinasecondandwhateveryoutellthemtodo,theylldo.
K:ButthisisMK-ULTRAweretalkingabout.
G:Yeah.MK-ULTRAhadamajorleagueplayinallofthis.So,youknow,whosrunningMK-ULTRAtypeofresearchnow?Itsanybodysguess.ItisnttheCIAanymore.IliketothinkIhadahandincausingthatgotoawayfromLangley.
K:YouwantustobelievethatLangleysnotinvolvedinthatandotherpeopleare?
G:Yeah.
K:Becauseyouknow,theideaisthatyouhadstartedworkingwiththem...
G:IveneverknowntheCIAtobeabunchofassassins.Theyrejusttooclassy.Theyrenotintowhackingpeopleasacourseofreality.
K:Andyourenotholdingontoanykindofnotionofhonorbecausethisistheonlyshredofhonorleftontheplanetthatyoucanbelievein?
G:IhaveneverknownanyonethatIveeverbeenassociatedwithintheCIAtobeacriminal.Ever.Ever.Ever.
OnJ.EdgarHooverK:OK.CanyoutellusaboutJ.EdgarHoover?
G:Hesnotaniceguy.Idontthinkhewasaniceguy.
K:OK.Hewasntaniceguy.Hespiedoneveryone,right?
G:Mm.Thatsindicated.Yeah.
K:OK.
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G:Thatsprobablytrue.
K:And...butwhatdidyouhadsomekindofrealdealingswithHoover,didntyou?
G:Yeah.
K:Doyouwanttotellusaboutthat?
G:Allthatyouregonnadoisyouregonna...ThisisgonnapissofftheFBIandtheyregonnawantafightsomemore,andIdontwannafightwiththem.Imean,IdliketothinkthatImtheguywhoputthedressonhim.Hedeservedtowearthedress.Soletsleaveitatthat.
K:IsColbydead?
G:Yes.
K:Howdhedie?
G:Hedrownedinthreefeetofwater.[smiles]
K:Howdoyoudothat?
G:Yougetpushed...yougetyourheadpushedunderthewater.
K:Isee.Andyouknowwhodidthisdeed,sotospeak?
G:Ah...therewasalotofdyinggoingonaroundtheFLIRtapeatWaco.Andthechief,heguythatdidtheforensicwork,hecroakedathisdesk,sittingathisdesk.Hejustsuddenlydecidedtodieandnobodyevergavemeadecentpathologyreportonhisautopsy.Colbywasrightinthemiddleofit.Hewastheonewhohelpedmegetitallout.AndsowethoughtitwasgonnasinktheFBI.Imean,
theCIAwasveryanti-FBIinthattimeframe,andtheywereinmycorner.Imean,itsawellknownfact...theywerereallyinmycorner.SowhatweweredoingwastryingtopreventanymoreassaultsonreligionbytheFBI.Wewerenot...youknow...leavethekidsalone.Dontkillthekiddies.Andthatwas,ah...Mr.Clarkis,inmyopinion...andalotofpeoplethinkhesthegrandcontrarian.Hemaywellbe,butIm...andremember,IcomefromaRepublicanbackgroundsowhenpeopletalktomeaboutRamsey,Itellem,Look,hesgotahalo.FarasImconcerned,ifIcangethimcanonizedasasaintwhenhedies,Imgonnadoit.CauseIthinkhesasaintlyman.Hesrepresentedallthebadguysover...Buttheydeservetohavethebestrepresentationtheycanget.Everybodydeservesalawyer,OK?Idontcarewhatyouaccusepeopleof,theydeservethebestrepresentationtheycanget.AndIveknownalotofthemover
theyears,includingdirectors.OnBobbyRayInmanK:AndwhataboutBobbyInman?Whatsheinvolvedin?
G:[smiles]Hesreputedlyah,MJ-4,butwhetherheisornotIdontknow.Hesaniceguy.HeandIarefriendly,soImnotgoingtosayanythingnegativeaboutBob.Idontknowanythingnegative.
K:So,isnthepartofDisclosure.Didntwehearthat?
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G:Wehearit,but,youknow,itsonethingtohearitanditsanotherthingtodoit.Youknow,itsonethingtosayit.Itsanotherthingtodoit.So...
OnJohnGannon
K:WhataboutJohnGannon?Youknowwhoheis?
G:Yeah,butI...
K:DoyouthinkhesinvolvedinSerpo?OnSerpoG:Idontknow.ImnotafanofSerpo,youknow.ImkindofnegativetowardBeyondDisclosureandthatkindofstuff.
K:Yourenegative...whatdoyoumeanyourenegativetoBeyondDisclosure?
G:Ithinkthatthepeoplewho...thattherearealotofpeopleouttherethatsupposedlyarepro-disclosurearenothingbutMJ-12disinformationops.AndtheyprobablyoperateunderthecoveroftheDIA,whoIhaveagreatadmirationforalso.Iveneverknownthoseguystobereallybadotherthan...dothisdisinformationthing.Theyseemtobeaheavyhandinthedisinformationgame,yousee.OnPaulBennewitz
K:WhataboutBennewitz.DidyouknowBennewitz?
G:Yes.Yeah,yeah.Wemethim.Wethoughtthatsomebodyhadspunhisloopandputhimintoaconditionwhere...OnRickDotyK:WhataboutRickDoty?Didhehaveahandinthat?
G:Heobviouslyhadahandinit.DidhedoitandwasBennewitzalreadyontheslipperyslopeofmentaldisorder?Idontknow.Butapparentlyifhewastheymadesuretheygreasedtheslopeabunchforhim.SoIalwaysthoughtBennewitzwasaterriblecrime.Justcriminalactivityby...OnBillCooperK:DidyouknowBillCooper?
G:Yes.
K:Whatdidyouthinkofhim?
G:Ithoughtthatheoughta...tobeverybluntwithyou,IthinkCooperwasapatriotinhisownwaybuthewasabitmoreaggressivethanIamandwantedtofightateverydropofthehat.HeoncethreatenedtokillJohnLearoverme,and...IwastherethenighttheydiditandhethoughtthatIwasMajesticandthatwasjustBSinthemaximum.AndsoCooperprobablypeed-offthecopsenoughtogethimselfshot.So...youknow...
K:Well,hewasheavilyinvolvedinoutingWacothewayyouwere.
G:ThedifferencebetweenhimandmeoutingWacoisIwasactuallyphysicallydoingitandputtingitintotherecordofthecase.Iwasactuallydoingtheinvestigationsthatbroughtupallthecrap,that...youknow...burningemupandgassingemandshootingemandjustbasicallymurderingem.
K:Whenyousayyouwereinvolvedintheinvestigation,doesthatmeanyoudoyourowninvestigationoryouhavesomebodydoitforyou?
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G:Mm.IdidmyowninvestigationsforMr.Clark.Yeah,andIprovided...
K:Doesthatmeaninterviewingpeople?Doesthatmeanresearching...
G:Thatmeanteverything.IinterviewedallofKoreshswivesandgottotalkabouthissexhabitsandda-da-da-da,whichwascute.And,soyes,IgottointervieweverybodyandIwaswellknownfordoingthat.Iwasveryproudofit...Thefactthatwelostsayssomethingtodowithourfascistjudicialsystem.
K:Sodoyouthinkthat...OperationPaperclip...theybroughtabunchofNazisoverhere...
G:[nodsheadyes]
K:Imean...TellmeyourenotusingsomeofthoseNazisinyourgroup.
G:Well,theyrenotpartofmygroupandtheyregone.Theyremostlydead.Imean,allthoseNazisfromWorldWarTwo,thescientiststhat...Betheandallthoseguys,theyreallgone.Kammer,theyregone.Sotheresno...
K:Buttheyhadabighand...
G:Theydbe90years...theydbe105yearsold.
K:OK.Buttheyhadabighandinthedevelopmentoftheatomicbomb.
G:Yeah...man,ImastrongbelieverthatFarrellwroteagoodbookwhenhewroteSS:BrotherhoodoftheBellrecently.Good.Verygood.SoIbelievetheNazisinfluenceisoutthere.Wecanseetheneoconfascisminourgovernmenttodayisoutthere,sodoIbelievetheNazisaregone?No,Ithinktheyrestillactive.Manyofthem.Andtheystillbelievethesameevilcraptheydidthen.
K:SoyouvenevermetanET.Haveyoubeencurious?Imean,youvegothandsineverypot,itsoundstome.CantyougetanintroductiontoanET?
G:Yeah,wereworkingonthat.Were...
K:Youare?
G:Weredoingthebestwecanwiththetoolswevegottodoitwith.Butyes,were...
K:HaveyoubeentoArea51,underground?OnDulceG:HaveIbeeninsideofit?No.Dulcesthe...WedidathoroughsearchfortheundergroundareaofDulce.AndImeanthorough.Anditsbullshit.ItspureunadulteratedBS.TheresnoundergroundbaseatDulce.Wewantedtogetin.[laughs]Wejustwantedtogetin.Weboughtintothedisinformationlongenough
togetcloseenough.Andwespentfour,fivedaystrekkingtheArchuletaMesaandwentallovertheplace.Andusedseismometersandeverythingtotrytofindoutiftherewereundergroundholes.Andwedidntfindanyofthat.
K:DidyouuseanynativeAmericanstohelpyouout?
G:Yeah.Yeah.WetalkedtoalltheApachesoutthereanditsjustBS.JustBS.Itsadisinformationoperation.
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K:Andyouwouldntbepushingdisinforightnowbytellingmethat.
G:No.IllbetchaabillionthatyoucantfindaholeinthesideofArchuletaMesainwhichyoucanaccessanalienundergroundbasethere.AndIllbetyouabillionandIdbetmylifeonitcauseIwentovertheplacewithafinetoothcomb.
K:OK.WhataboutundergroundLA?
G:Well,Imean,anythingspossible.Imean,theygottunnelsthatll...Theygottunnelingequipmentthatisnuclearpowered.Theycandrilltunnelsanywheretheywantfromanywhere,so...
K:WhataboutundertheCapitol?
G:Ibelieveanythingspossibleifyouwanttospendthemoney.
K:No.Imnotinterestedinwhatyouwhatyoubelieve.Iminterestedinwhatyouknow.
G:No.Idontknowofanyundergroundsystems.Imsurethattheyexist,Ijustdontknowwherethey...
K:YouwiredtheWhiteHouseandyoudontknowiftheresanundergroundbasethere?
G:Well,yeah,rememberIdidthatwhenIwastheguywhobuiltthetoythatmadeitworkandsothatwaswhyIwasthere.TherewasnootherreasonformetobetherethanthefactthatIsuppliedthecheckmatesystemtodoit.Soobviouslywhentheyneededaninstallertoputitin...IputitinthereandputitinEllisRanchandotherplaces.
MontaukandthePhiladelphiaExperiment...
K:WhataboutMontauk?AreyoufamiliarwithMontauk?
G:Yeah,andIdontbelieveit.
K:Youdontbeli...WhataboutthePhiladelphia?Theseare...
G:IbelievethatthePhiladelphiaexperimentprobablytookplaceandthattheymayhavedoneitbutIhavenoproofthattheydiddoit.Ihaventseenascintillaofaniotaofreallysubstantiveevidencethatanyofthatstrue.Itsoundstomelikeadisinformationstorymeanttoleadyouawayfromthetechnology.
K:OK.AreyoufamiliarwithWilhelmReich?
G:Yeah.
K:WhataboutWilhelmReichandorgone?
G:Ithinkhejustmade...IthinkheprobablygottheFoodandDrugAdministrationreallyangryathim,withhiscures.Andmaybehiscureswererealandtheydidntwanthimtodoitandtheyjustsaid,Heyyougottago.Wecantaffordyouaround.Youregonnaputthedoctorsoutofbusinesssoweregonnagetrid...Weregonnaputyourassinjail.Theyhavethecapabilitytoframetheirmothers.Andtheywill.So.Imarealfanoftheirabilityto
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createfaketapesandfakedocumentsandfakethisandfakephotographsandfakevideos,fakeanything.Theycanfakeitalltothepointwhereforensicallyyoucanttellrealityfromsurrealityandbullshit.
K:OK.Well,alongthoselines,IunderstandthatMajestichadahandinfakingemailsbetweenyouandJohnLearthataddedtotheanimositybetweenyou.Isthatright?
G:Yeah.TheydidthatandImnotsureJohnLeardidnthaveapartofithimself,youknow?So...yeah,theyactuallydidthatandtheyfakedsomeothervideos,and...
OnKitGreen
K:AreyouabletotalkaboutKitGreenatall?
G:No.IhavenothingtosayaboutDr.Green.Ibelievehestheworldsgreatestneurobiologistandonethingandanother.Ithink...
K:Ishecalledinonalienautopsies?Doyouknowthatmuch?
G:IvehearditbutIdontknowwhattobelieve.Hehasneversaidittome.Iknowthatherecentlynotifiedmethatabunchofhisemailswerebeingfaked
andthattherewasstuffthatwasbeingattributedtohimthatwasobviouslycomingoutofMajesticsgang.ProbablyusinganNSAcutouttodoit.
K:OK.
G:NSAtechnology...Theycanbugyourphone,bugyourcomputerandtheycanfigureit...Theycanreadallyouremailtrafficandtheyknowexactlywhattheywanttoputinyournextemailinordertodestabilizeyourrelationshipwithwhoeveryouretalkingto.Soyeah.ButKitGreensagreatguyasfarasImconcerned.IhavenoproblemwithKit.Hesnotanenemy.Contrarytopublic...OnJimMarrsK:OK.So,JimMarrs...hesawonderfulUfologist,hesawonderfulwriter.
G:Hesamemberofourteam.
K:Hesamemberofyourteam...
G:HesahistoricalscribefortheRAMgroupandheshopefullymybiographer.TheytellmethathesgonnadomybiographyandthatsascomplimentaryasIcanget.
K:OK.
G:Hestheworldsgreatestconspiracytheorist.OnEricJulien
K:NowisntittruethatyoureworkingwithEricJulienalittlebitnowadays?
G:Yeah,yeah.So...
K:Heswrittenabookon...SupposedlyhehadETvisitation.Hewentupandflewacraft.Heknowshowtheywork.Ishegoingtohelpyou?
G:Mm.Yeah,andImgonnahelphim.Illbehelpinghimmorethanheshelpingmerightnow.Buttheanswerisyeah,hesaverybrightguy.HemaybetheCopernicusofthe21stcentury.Butwevegottafindoutthat.HeandIvegot
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tohavealotofdialoguesaboutreality.So.Butweregettingtherebecausealotofthestuffthathestalkinabout,wevealreadyfoundoutabout.OnHalPuthoffandJackSarfattiK:OK.WhataboutJackSarfattiandHalPuthoff?Youworkingwiththeseguys?
G:HalandJackarelikeMike&Ike...
K:[laughs]
G:...orAlfonse&GastonorAbbott&Costello,Laurel&Hardy.Imean,alltheydoisfighteachotherandcastigateandcriticizeeachother.
K:Well,dotheyknowanything?Comeon,theseare...HalPuthoffisarenowned...
G:Yeah,theygota...itssortoflikeeverybody...itsliketheyvegotalittlepieceofthepuzzle.ItslikeIvegottheproverbialelephant.Somebodysgotapieceofthetail,anotherguysgotaleg,anotherguysgotatrunk.Everybodysblindfolded.Sotheyallhavealittlepieceoftheelephantbuttheydontknowthewholeelephant.So,youknow...
K:Dotheytrytoworkwithyou?
G:Ohyeah,yeah.Wegetalongfine.IgetalongfinewithHalandJack.Jackdoesnt...Jackissortofabitofa...monumentalmaniacalegowithahugeNIHnotinventedherefactorandHalisamuchmorelevelguywithdifferentideas.Andoneofemisintowhitezero-point,andtheotheronesintodarkenergyzero-pointandtheyhavetheirtheories.Andwedontevenbelieveinanyofthat.So.Wehaveourowntheories.Ourtheoriesarebaseduponhavingdiscoveredwhatwehavediscovered.But...HalisthechiefscientistandSarfattiswelcometocomeaboard,buthesgottastopthrowingrottentomatoesatHal.
K:Whatdoyoumean?Halsyourchiefscientist?
G:ThelasttimeIchecked.
K:Really?
G:Yeah.
K:Howaboutthat.
G:Howboutthat.Yeah,yeah,yeah.Itsamatterofrecord.
K:OK.
G:So,theyallattendthemeetingsofthegang,wheneverthegangscomingtogetherandtheystaytunedtoitbecauseitsanalternativetowhattheyre
doingandtheyvegottakeepabetonthathorse.Itsa...inahorseraceofthreeorfourhorsesyouvegottakeepabetonallofem.
K:Youvegotsomeremoteviewersonyourteam?
G:Well,HalPuthoffisprettymuchofaremoteviewer.Imean,heprettymuch...himandIngoSwanninventedthestuff,sotheanswerisyes.
K:AreyousayingIngospartofyourteam?
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G:No.Imjustsayingthatwevegotremoteviewers.Weuseremoteviewers...forsecuritypurposes.
K:OK.Soyouknowyouregonnabesuccessful?
G:Iproctoscopethegovernmenteverysooftenwithremoteviewers,yeah.
K:Uhhuh.
G:Justlike,theyproctoscopeme,Iproctoscopethem.ExceptI...
K:OK.Areyougoingtobesuccessful?Imean,aretheytellingyouthefuture?
G:IthinktheonlyreasonImnotdeadatthispointisthattheyknowIllwin.Theyknowfromforwardtimescanningthatmeand,wellcallitmeandmycoterieof...ah,patriots...wecallourselvestheEarthPatriotsinthefilm.Andsowewent...youknow,wecantlose.
K:Wow.
G:Theplanetmustcontinue.Goddidntdevelopandgothroughallofthisandcreatethisgiantcivilizationjusttowipeitoutjustbecausesomebodydidntwannastopburningoil.
K:WhatisthisaboutStarportthatyouretryingtotellusabout?
G:Well,youlogicallycantgoforwardtowardthedevelopmentofstarshiptechnologyunlessyouregonnabuildstarships.Andwhereyougonnabuildstarships?TheresonlyoneplantbigenoughontheplanettodothatandthatstheMitsufacilitywheretheSaturnS1BandtheSaturnFivethosewerethemoonrocketsandtheShuttlemaintankaredonebecauseitsgotthelargestbayarea.Andthatswherewebelievetheyregonnabebuilt.AnditsitsinthemiddleofapieceofpropertythatwereworkingnowwiththegovernorofLouisianatodevelopintoaprojectcalledStarport,whichisanair,sea,rail,truck,container,andspaceportforlaunchingstarshipsinto...asfreightersandasaircrafttomovepassengers.Andlike,youknow,wellprobablymakeit,
withtherightalien...withtherightantigravitytechnologies...youcanprobablymakeatripfromNewOrleanstoShanghaiorOsakain20minutesorless.Weseeacompletelydifferentcivilizationcoming.Completely.Ofanextremelyrevolutionaryconditionthatsinevitable.Ithastohappen.
K:Uhhuh.Whatyeardoyouthinkthisisgonnahappen?
G:Well,asfastaswecangetourlittleprogramsrollingalong,andtheyrerollingalongrealwell.SoIcanonlytellyouthatwelooktoseethetechnologybegintogointomassproductionbeforetheendofthedecade.
K:Well,whorunsthislittleconsortiumthatyoureputtingtogether?Isityou?
G:Imsortofdirectorgeneraloftheprojectrightnow,butthatdoesntmeanthatIwannastaythere.Imjustdoingthething.Weretryingtotakeaformerministerofdefensefromanotherforeigncountry,tohavehimtakeovertheprojectandgetmeoutoftheloopofhavingtodealwiththedailymundaneproblemsandthedailydevelopmentoftheconsortium.ItslikeAirbus...
K:Canyoutelluswhothatis?
G:No.
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TimeparadoxesG:Werethere.Imean,weredealingwithemandtheyknowwerethereandtheyknowwhatwehave.Therearealotofpeoplethatknowthatweborrowed,expropriated,piratedthetechnologyfromMajesticandwerenotgivingitback.Itsthatelemental.Andsoweredevelopingitandweredoingitinawaythatovercomestheproblemsthattheyrecognize.Oneofthebigreasonsthattheydontwannadoitistimeparadoxes.Timeparadoxesisahugeproblemforembecauseifyouknowthefuturethenhowdoyouhavemarkets?Howdoyouhaveinterest?Howdoyouhavetaxes?Howdoyouhavegovernment?Howdoyou...
K:Howdoyouhavefreewill?
G:Yeah.
K:Isntthatoneofyourissues?
G:Well...IvebeenNietzscheanuntilIdiscoveredthisandImnowatthepointwhereifsomebodycouldgivemeascriptandIcouldgoouttomorrowandenjoymylifeandjustcarryoutmytomorrowdiktatfromthe...wellcallitthetimeforwardscanTV,thatIcouldseewhatIvegottadonextmonth,thatdbefine.Golivemylifeandfollowtheorders.Godwrotethescript.Whynotdoit?Heknowswhathesdoing.Wereallapieceofhimand...whynotdoithisway?Imean,hiswaymaybealotbetterthanourway.Freewillmaynotbeall
thatbigadeal.Youknow,whocares...
K:Comeon.Arentyouthebiggestrebelofalltime?
G:[longpause]ButImnotarebelagainstthestuffthatIbelieveistherealitywemayhavetolivewith.Imean,sowhat...?
K:Soyoumeanyoureapracticalrebel?
G:Imapragmatist.Imapragmaticrebel.IfIseethatthissthewayitsgottabeandifIcanfacilitatemakingithappenanditmakestheworldabetterplacetolive,thengreat,youknow.Imean,Imnotantithat.
K:So,amItounderstandthatyoukilledaman?
G:No.Never.
K:Never?
G:Never,never,ever.
K:Haveyoueverorderedamantobekilled?
G:No.No,no.
K:Soyouvegotalotofthreatsgoingbackandforth,butno....
G:Therearealotofthreats,buttheresthe...Youknow...Theresthe,Youhurtme,ImgonnahurtyoubackandhowIhurtyoubackmaynotbethewayyouhurtme.Andsotheyknow,thatifyourethat...Ifyouhavethosekindofcapabilitiesofdoingdirtytricks...Mostpeopledontwannahaveaguywhohasaphilosophyof,Ifyouhavenothingtodofortherestofyourlife,goaheadandpickafightwithme.
Iwastherewhenthebuswentbyandthelittledooropenedonthebusandamechanicalarmgrabbedmeandsaid,Youregonnatakethisridedownonthis
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businhistory.Andthatwasit,Icouldntgetawayfromit.Itwasmeanttohappen.Itwasthere.IfIhadtodoitoveragain,Idavoidit.IfIcouldgobackandsayImnotgonnabeGarrisonschiefofsecurity,ImnotgonnagetinvolvedwiththeWhiteHouse,ImnotgonnagetinvolvedwiththeCIA,IaintgonnagetinvolvedwithpickingfightswithMr.Hoover,andthatkindastuff,Iwouldavoiditliketheplague.Causeitcostme.Itcostmeawife,threekids,10or15milliondollarsandfiveyearsofmylife.SoIdontwantanymoreofthat.
K:Whendoyouthinkyouregoingtoactuallybesuccessful?Imean...
G:Ifwegetthemoneyforthismovie,wearesuccessful.Wewillbemakingamovieaboutwhatwereactuallydoing.Itsbasicallyadocudramahiddeninsideofadrama,wrappedinsideofanenigmaandonandon,andamystery.Andsothatswhatweredoing.
K:AndhaveyougottenanybodyinHollywoodinterested?
G:Ohyeah.
K:Anyonewedknow?
G:Yeah.
K:Like?
G:Like...allofem...thebrass.Themoguls,thetitans.
K:Ohyeah?
G:Yeah.
K:Sotheytakeyouseriously.
G:TheytakemeandmyfriendsatLangleyseriously,isagoodwaytoputit.Andtheytakeourrelationshipsandourevidenceandalltherestofit...Wevegotit...Thisisallwelldocumented.Verywelldocumented.
K:Sowhendoyoustartfilming?
G:Ah.Iwouldhopethatitmightbethemiddleofnextyearsometimeafterwefinishthescriptsandgetourselvesintoproduction.Scriptsasopposedtojustfattreatmentsfordirectorsandstufflikethat.Sotheansweris:asfastaswecangothere.
K:OK.
G:Soweremakingheadway.AndthereisntmuchthattheMajesticgangof...ah,sickbastardscandoaboutit.Andtheyknowwhattheconsequencesthese
daysaregonnabeifwecatchemplayinginourbackyardanymore.Imean,itdoesn...theycantsend...ItsCOINTELPRO,counterintelligenceproactive.Samecrapthatwasdoneinthe60sagainstthepeacemovementisdonenowexceptitsmuchmoresophisticatedandverystrangeandverypsychologicaloperationsoriented.Sotheyknowwhatthepriceofdealingwithusisgonnabe.Itsgonnabeveryexpensive.Causeweknowexactlywheretoputourtorpedoes.Theyreallexposed.Weknowwhotheyare.
K:OK.Butisntittruethatthegovernment,or...thesecretgovernment...
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alreadyhascraftsupthere?
G:Sure.
K:Imean,inessencetheyvegotthetechnology.
G:Yeah,buttheycant...
K:TheyvebeendealingwithETfor40years...
G:Sowhat?Iowntheintellectualproperty.I...
K:Sowhatdo...Imean,theyvebeenmanufacturingcraftthatweseeinourskies.
G:Theyrenotmanufacturingalotofem.
K:Theyrenot?
G:Youseeeminalotofplacescausetheymovequickbuttheresnotalotofemand...
K:Blacktriangles?
G:Sowhat?Youknow,thatsnothingmorethanaUFOinsideofsomethingthatlookslikeanF117Atobeabletobullshitthepublicastheycomedowntheruralfarmroads:Gee,thatsanF117.Itsjustgoingslow.Itsbullshit.Itsallagame.Itsallpsyops.Psyops101.
K:Uhhuh.
G:So.No,Imnotworriedaboutem.Imnotworriedaboutemabit.Theydbetterbeworriedaboutuscauseweareseriousguysandtheteamis...mostofmyteamareallex-NSA,CIA,DOD,WhiteHouse,andwerenotsomebodyyoudwantagopickingafightwith.
K:OK.
G:AndImnotsomebodyyoudwantapickafightwithunlessyougotnothingtodofortherestofyourlife.
K:[laughs]OK.Well,Ihavenodesiretopickafightwithyou.
G:ImnotsayingImabadass.ImjusttellingyouthatIvehadalotofexperiencedealingwithgangsters,gang-bankstersandgangstersofeverylevelofsocietyandinourgovernment.AndwhatsthedifferencebetweentheMafiaandthegovernmentiftheyretryingtokillyou?None.Nothing.Theyreallthesame.Theyreallgangsters.IfIhadtodoabiogaphytoday,IdtitleitGovernmentbyGangster,myExperiencesasaCitizenoftheUnitedStatesofAmerica.
K:Howsyourconscience?
G:Isleepwell.
K:Yousleepwell?
G:Yeah.IusedtoknowPaulTibbetsandhebombedHiroshimaandIusedtoaskhim,Isaid,howdyousleep?Hesaid,Isleptwell.Hesaid,SoIkilled200,000people.Sowhat?Hesays,Istoppedthewarfromkillinganother2
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millionAmericans.So...myconscience...Ihavenoproblemwithmyconscience.IhaveneverdoneanythingthatIamreallyashamedof.Andnotoriousorquasi-famousorinterestingfellow,youknow,thattypeofthing.AllIvedoneisIwastherewhenthebuswentbyandthebusofhistorybroughtmeaboardandIjusttooktheride.
K:Whydoyouthinkyourenotactuallyinterviewedallovertheplace?Causeyouknowahellofalot.
G:BecauseIavoiditliketheplague.IfitwasntforyouandIgettingalong,Iwouldntdothis.Andthefactis,Iwantsomefatuousadvantagerightnow,whichisputoutenoughofthistokeeptheguys...Becauseweregettingreallyclosetosnaggingthegoldenring,youknow,andoffthecarouselandIwouldliketostickaroundawhile.AndifyouhurtmeyouregonnacausealotofgriefandmyfriendsregonnabeveryangryandmyfriendsaregonnabeveryangryandthoselittleCD-ROMsaregonnaflyallovertheplanet.Andyourenotevengonnabeabletoprotecttherevolutionifyouhavetherevolutionwithoutpreconditioningthesituation.Youllhavechaosthatllmakethecrashof29looklikeateaparty.So,dotheywantafight?Goahead.Pickafight.Yougotnothingtodofortherestofyourlife,goahead.Imhere.Imeasy.Imnothardtofind.
SothebottomlineisthatweneedtogowaybeyondthePeaceCorpsandweneed
toformentitieswithinourgovernments,allgovernments,withtheprimedirectivetoestablishpeaceonthisplanetinthisdecade.
K:Soyouwanttoputonyoursunglassesand...?
G:Whatfor?
K:Justtogiveusthesortof,theincognito...
G:Yeah.ImnotJamesBond.Im,ah...wedliketothinkweeatthoseguysforbreakfast.Butthebottomlineisthatwerejusthumanbeingsthatvelearnedhowtofight.
G:Iwroteherover...itwasrightbeforethefirstCrashRetrievalConferencein04.AndsoIwrotehersomeletters,someloveletters.IthoughtIwaswritingherloveletterscauseshedidntshowupontimefortheCrashRetrievalConference.Andasaresult,the...whenIwentbacktomycomputertolookatmylettersthatIwroteher,IcouldnotbelievethatIwroteem.OK?Now,whatwevejustdiscovered,andIcanshowyouthediscoverybyKitGreen,isthatMajestic...hecaughtMajesticalteringhise-mails.Completelylikeyou
wouldfakeatape.IhadcaughtemdoingthatlastyearwhenJohnLearandIgotintoitoverLearthreateningmylife.OK?
Bill:Howdidtheyalter...
G:Well,IwroteJohnane-mailandthenextthingIknow,thee-mailiscompletely...thee-mailthatIwroteisnotthee-mailthatIwrote!Itsonmycomputer,butitdelays...itdoesntcomerightback.Theytakethem..andtheysitthereandtheremodifyem.AndIremembersomeofthechanges.SoIcallmyfriendsup,andIcallupRon,andIsaidRon,theyreactuallyalteringmy
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e-mails!Andhesays,Idontknowhowtheycandothat.Isaidwell,theyreinterceptingthemanddoingit.
Bill:Didtheydothatwiththeintentionofcreatingconflict?
G:Ohyes,absolutely.Absolutely.Absolutely.Kitwritesalettersayingdonttellanybodythatsfoolingwiththeseparadoxes...beveryverycarefulbecausetheyllcreateapsychomimeticstateakintoLSD,mescaline,andpsilocybin...alteryourmindsetforaperiodoftime.Wedidntknowhowlong.Itlastedaboutfourorfivedays.CauseIjustwroteablitzofletterstoheranddidntrememberwritingthem.They,A,musthavebeenonthephone.B,theyknewaboutthisparadoxthingfrompriorwork,sotheyknewwhenalloftheconversationsweregoingonbetweenmeandtheuniversitywhereIwasdoingemthattheywould...ah...theydaltermypsychology.
[Findingdocumentonhislaptop.]Herewego.SecretAnthologiesofanAmericanEnigma.Heresmyblackcurriculumvitae.Butitdoesnthavethesupportingdocumentation.Butifyouwillsitdownhereyoucanreadallabouttheblacksideofme.Ivegotawhitecurriculumvitaetoo,whichis...butthisismyblackcurriculumvitaewhichissupportedbynothingbutdocumentation.Ihaveit,butIdonthavethedocumentationscannedintothecomputer.
Bill:Andthatsabsolutelynotforthepublicdomain.
G:Absolutely.Thisisthetruth.
(reading...)"Mr.NovelwasretainedasChiefofSecurityforNewOrleansDistrictAttorneyformerFBIAgentJimGarrisonsofficialinvestigationintotheassassinationofPresidentKennedy.BecauseofMr.NovelssecretrelationshipwiththeJohnsonWhiteHouse,hequicklydiscoveredthattheallegedfactsofJimGarrisonsofficialStateofLouisiana[JFK]conspiracyinvestigationwerebeingentirelywovenoutofwholecloth.AtthedirectionofhisWhiteHousecontacts,Mr.NovelsecretlysuppliedthisinformationtoaformerhighlevelFBIagentandchiefaidetoformerAttorneyGeneralRobertKennedy,thenworkingfortheNBCWhitePaperspecialnewsunit.DistrictAttorneyGarrisonimmediatelyrespondedbyaccusingMr.NovelofbeingaCIAagent,callinghimthemostimportantmaterialwitnessinhisalleged
conspiracytoassassinatePresidentKennedy.Mr.NovelhadabsolutelynothingtodowiththePresidentsassassinationandwasnotthen,andneverhasbeen,anagentoremployeeoftheCIA.Untilthistimeinhislife,Mr.Novel,likealltherestofus,hadbelievedthattheFBIwasthegoodguys."_____________________________
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