Project Camelot Arjan Bos Interviews Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy Transcript

8/2/2019 Project Camelot Arjan Bos Interviews Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy Transcript

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BillandKerry,welcome.

KERRYCASSIDY(KC):Thankyou.

BILLRYAN(BR):And,aswesayinEnglish,thebootisontheotherfoot,becausewereontheothersideofthecamera,youknow?

AB:Yeah.

BR:Ithinkthisisthefirsttime.[toKerry]Isthisthefirsttimesomeonesdoneus?Doneavideointerviewofus?

KC:Itmightbe,Idontknow.

BR:Ifithashappenedbefore

KC:Wevehadalotofinterviews,but,actually,notonvideo,Idontthink.

BR:Notonvideo.

AB:Youvehadradiointerviews.Iveheardsomeradiointerviews,yeah.

BR:Andwevedoneconferences,butwehaventdoneavideointerviewwithsomeonelikeyourself,Idontthink.Andiftheressomeoneouttheresaying:Well,whataboutmine?Thenweresorry,wecantrememberit,becausewecantremembereverything.

AB:Iwouldreallylikethatarea:conference.IwouldliketogointomorepersonaldetailthanisusualinProjectCamelotvideos,andalso,whenyoureinterviewedinradiointerviews,itsmostlyaboutthesubjectsthatyoucoverintheProjectCamelot.

WhatImalsointerestedinisbecauseyouputalotoutthere

alreadyinyourpersonalstories.Forexample,Ilistenedtoaradioshowacoupleofweeksagoandinthatyoumentioned,Bill,thatyouoncehadanETgirlfriend.

BR:Oh,mygoodness!Okay,yes.[Kerrylaughs]WhydidIhavetosaythat?

AB:Andwereallyarewonderingaboutthat.Howdidyouknowthis?Whatwasitlike?

BR:Well,okay.AswesayinEnglish:Howlonghaveyougot?Becauseitsalongstory.

UmImtryingtothinkofhowbesttopresentthestory.ItwasdefinitelylinkedtoanabductionexperiencewhichIhadintheHimalayas--andthisissomethingIdontoftentalkabout.Idid,actually,mentionitwithourinterviewwithStevenGreerthatisgoingtobepublishedinafewdaystime.Bythetimethisisout,peoplewillhavehadachancetoseethat.

Justtogivesomecontextforthat,thereasonwhyImentionedthattoStevenGreeroncameraItookadeepbreathandsaid:Okay.Ill


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tellpeopleaboutmyownabductionexperienceisbecausehewassayingthatmost,ifnotall,ofabductionswereactuallyfakedbytheAmericanmilitaryinsomeway.

AB:Yeah.

BR:Now,thiswasinDecember,1981andIwasat7,000metersintheHimalayasinDecember,inwinter,innorthernNepalonamountaincalledMakaluonasmallBritishexpedition.Weweretryingtoclimbit.Wedidntactuallydoit,butwegotquitehigh.

[Ednote:MtMakaluisthe5th-highestmountainintheworld;itisjust14mileseastofMtEverest.]

IwasabductedoutofmytentinthemiddleofthenightinDecember.Itsnotausualabductionwhentheycometo,like,anapartmentinAmsterdam,whichisallniceandeasyand

AB:Idontthinkanyabductioniseasy,doyou?[laughs]

BR:No,sure.ButthiswasquiteunusualbecauseIwasfloatedoutofmytent.ThetemperaturewasprobablyitwasthemiddleofthenightinDecemberintheHimalayasat7,000metersthetemperaturemust

havebeenaboutminus40Celsius,maybecolder.

WhenIrecalledthishappening--because,aswithalmostallabductions,youdontremember--whenIrecalledithappening,themomentthatIremembersittinginmytent...

Iwaslyinginmytent,thethreeofuslikesardines.Theresmyfriendhereandmyfriendhere,andIwaslikethat,andIwasallzippedupinmysleepingbag.ThenthezipofthetentopenedandthislittleGraybeingpokedhisheadthroughandlookedatme,youknow,likethat.

Thatwasthesinglemostfrighteningmomentofmywholelife,whenIrememberedthatmoment.InearlyjumpedrightoutofmychairandwentthroughtheceilingwhenIrememberedthat.Itslike:Oh,myGod!Youknow?

AB:Mm-hm.

BR:Andthen,Imean,itwasreal.Becauseyoudontgetshockedbyanimaginarymemory,yougetshockedbyarealmemory.

AB:Yeah.

BR:Now,thisisallverycomplicatedbecauseIdontbelievethatwasamaliciousabduction.Ibelievethatsomethingwasgoingonwhichwasinsomewayapreparationforwhatweredoingnow.[indicatinghimselfandKerry]

AB:Okay.

BR:Itprobablywasallwithmyagreementatahigherlevel,becauseImverycomfortablewithwhatshappeningnow.AtthetimeIdidnt


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understandtheexperience,butIwasnt...itslike:Idontknowwhatsgoingon.Whatsgoingon?Whatsgoingon?

ButitwasntsomethingthatIwishedhadnthappened.Ijustwantedtoknowwhyitwasgoingon.

Now...[sighs]Itssoverycomplicated.Atthattime,oneofthepeopleIwaswithwasamountaineerfriendofmine.Hewasasmallguy.Hewas...IcanonlyspeakintermsofEnglishfeet.Hewasaboutfive-foot,two.Whatsthat,aboutonemeter,sixty?Somebody?Somethinglikethat?

AB:Somethinglikethat,mm-hm.

BR:Hewasquiteasmallguy.HehadhadanETexperienceatthattimeaswell,inthesameexpedition,thepreviousday.Heonlytoldmeaboutthisyearslater.Whenhewasgoingdownthemountainfromthesameplace,hefellintoacrevasse,whichisnotagoodideaifyoureamountaineeronyourown.Usuallythatstheendofthegame;thatsit.

AB:Yeah.

BR:Hefellintoacrevasseand,thewaythathetoldthestorywas:NextthingIknewIwasoutofthecrevasse.Hedbeenteleportedoutofthecrevasseandthereweretwobeingstherewhotalkedwithhimforalongtime.

Whenhewastellingmethisstory,IwasbecomingreallyfreakedoutbecauseIknewthatjustthedayafterthatIhadmyabductionexperience,andwewerecomparingourexperiences.

Now,roundaboutthattimeaswellIhadagirlfriendwhowasalsoverysmall.Shewasevensmaller.Shewasaboutfour-foot,ten.Whatwouldthatbe?

AB:Thatssmall.Imean,onemeter,forty,orsomething.

BR:Thatsprettysmall.

AB:Yeah.

BR:Shehadalotofveryinterestingpsychicpowers.Shewasaveryunusualperson.Shewouldalwaystellme,andthisalwayskindofslightlyfreakedmeoutbecauseIreallyenjoyedbeingwithher.Shesaid:Youreveryspecial.Shesaid:Wewontalwaysbetogether,butIwillalwaysloveyou.

And,Imean,Idontknowhowtoyouknow?HowonEarthdoyourespondtosomethinglikethat?

Shewouldknowwhenthingsweregoingtohappen;shedmakethephonering,andshedbetotallytelepathic.OnceortwiceIdbereallyupsetandshedjustlookintomyeyesandthentheupsetwoulddisappear,allthiskindofweirdstuff.But,then,humanscandothat,too.

Onenightwewereinbed,justcuddlinginbed.Itwasabout11


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oclockatnight.Shehadherbacktothedoor,andIwaslookingoverhershouldertowardsthedoor.Andthenthisbeingappearedinthedoor,okay?

ItwasntlikeaclassicalGraybeing,butitlookedverymuchlikewhatArthurNeumann[a.k.a.HenryDeacon]describesasachild-likebeingwithquitebigeyes,butnotthekindofweirdeyes,youknow...kindoflargeeyesandquitearoundhead,butalsoquitesmall.

AB:Alsolikethebeingyousawinyourtent?

BR:NotlikethebeingIsawinmytent.ThebeingIsawinmytentwasmoreoftheclassicalGray,yousee?

AB:Okay.

BR:Okay.AndIsawthisbeinginmyroom,sittingrighttheresorry--standingrightthereinthedoorway.Ifroze,anddidntsayanything,becauseIcouldntbelievewhatIwasseeing.Angie,whichwashername,shehadherbacktothedoor,andIdidntsayaword.Shesaid:Dontworry.Itsallright,Iveseenthemallmylife.Youvegotnothingtobeafraidof.

ThisbeingisbehindherandIhadntsaidanything.Thiswholethingcompletelyfreakedmeout.

ThenIspoketomyotherfriendaboutthis,Dave.Now,hewasthemountaineerguy.Hesaid:Iknowthatthathappened.

AB:Oh?

BR:Isaid:Howdoyouknow?Hesaid:Ijustknow.

Thenthatfreakedmeoutevenmore,andIwentbacktoAngieandItoldherabouttheconversationIdhadwithDave,anditwasroundaboutthattimethathetoldmeabouttheincidentintheHimalayas

thisisaverycomplicatedstory--andAngiesaid:IhaventtalkedwithDaveaboutanyofthis,butlookingintoDavesheadislikelookingintomyown,shesaid.

Andthesetwosmallbeings,withthesestrangeabilities.Angiewouldsaythingstomelike,anexamplewaswhatImentionedbefore,shedsay:Youreveryspecial.And:Wewontalwaysbetogether,butIllalwaysloveyou.

Onedayweweresittinghavingbreakfast,justlikewiththecroissantsandthecoffeeand,youknow,andshejustlookedatmeandshesaid:TheEarthisaverybeautifulplaceanditwontalwaysbe

thisway.

Iveneverforgottenthosewords.ItsendsachilldownmyspineeverytimeIthinkaboutit.

AndIsaid:What?Whatdidyousay?Youknow,andshejustalmostignoredthefactthatshedsaiditandshejustcarriedoneatingbreakfast.

TherewereanumberofotherthingswhichshesaidwhichIcant


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remember.

AB:Mm-hm.

BR:ButroundaboutthistimeIfoundmyselfthinking:Thispersonisnotanormalperson,absolutelynotanormalperson.

AB:No.Whatshesaidcomesfromaplaceofknowing.

BR:Theressomethingreallystrangegoingonhere.

Imean,IcanspendtwohourstalkingaboutalltheexperiencesIvehadhere,butsomethingwhichwasreallyremarkablehappened...actuallytherearetwomorepartsofthisstory.[toKerry]Idontwanttotakethisstoryawayfromyoubecauseyouvegotalotofstoriesofyourownhere.

KC:[laughs]Itdoesntmatter.

BR:Twootherthingshappenedthatareworthrecording,thesecondoneofwhich,whichIllsayhere;Inevertellanybodybecauseitssobizarre.

Sheattendedapersonal-developmentworkshop,whereyougetintouchwithsomeofthethoughtsandbeliefsthatyouhavethatlimityourself,andallofthatkindofstuff.Shewasverysmall.Shewastheeldestofthreesisters,butshewasthesmallest,andshedalwaysmakekindofjokesaboutherself.Youknow,shedsay:Imnotreallysmall,peoplejustthinkImsmall,youknow,andsoonandsoforth.

Inthisworkshopsherealizedthatshehadaninvestmentinbeingsmall.Inotherwords,becauseshewassmall,shegottobethecenterofattention,shegottomakejokesaboutherself,shegotto,youknow...itswhatpsychologistsandtherapistscallapayoff.

AB:Mm-hm.

BR:Whensherealizedthat,shegrew.Shewas26yearsoldandshegrewIvegottodothecalculationagainshegrewtwoandahalfinches,whichisabouteightcentimeters,intwoweeks.

AB:Wow.

BR:AndIhaveafeelingthatitwasactuallyovernight,butIcantprovethat.Itwasdefinitelywithintwoweeks.

Andwhathappenedwaslikesomethingoutofacomedyfilm.Ihadnt

seenherforalittlewhilebecauseshedbeendoingthisworkshopandstuff,andIwenttogiveherahugandIsaid:Look,theresnoneedforyoutostandonyourtoes.

Shesaid:Imnotstandingonmytoes.AndIsaid:Yesyouarebecauseyouretaller!

Shesaid:Imnottaller.Whatdoyoumean?Andshesaid:Look.

Ilookedandshewasstandingflatonherfeet...andshewastaller.


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Thenweranaroundthehouseseeingifshecouldfitintoherclothes,andifshecouldfitintohershoes,andhershoeswouldntfit.

AB:Soshewasntawareofitherself.

BR:No.

AB:Okay!

BR:Forsomereason,shehadnoidea,whichiswhyIthinkthishappenedreallysuddenly.Ihaveafeelingthishappenedreallysuddenly.No...thisisbiologicallyimpossible.Butthenyoustarttalkingwith

AB:Highstrangeness.

BR:Very,veryhighstrangeness.Butshedefinitelygrew.Wemeasuredher.ItwasmidnightandIwentaroundphoningupallmyfriends,saying:Angiesgrown!Angiesgrown![Arjanlaughs]

Andtheysaid:What?Whatareyoutalking?What?[laughter]

Itwaslikesomethingoutofavery,verybadcomedymovie.Butthat

happened.Shedidgrow.

Igotreallyexcited.Isaid:Right!Youregoingtokeepongrowing.Youregoingtobereallytall.Butshefreakedoutaboutthiswholething,becausetheresthishumanaspectofher.Andthenshestopped;shestoppedgrowing.

Itwasremarkable.Andthatreallyhappened.

TheotherthingthathappenedwastheculminationofwhatIdearlierdescribedasshewassaying,youknow:WerenotalwaysgoingtobetogetherbutIllalwaysloveyou.Andonedayshejustleft!

Shesaid:Okay,Imgoingnow.Shesaid:Mypurposeinyourlifeiscomplete.

Andthatsenoughtofreakyououtwhenyoureallylovesomebodyandspendthreeyearswiththem.Shesaid:Mypurposeinyourlifeiscomplete,nowImgoing.Illalwaysloveyou.Bye-bye.

Isaid:Whatstheproblem?

Shesaid:Theresnoproblem.Mypurposeinyourlifeiscomplete.

ThisiswhyIthinkthiswholething,whateveritwas,connectedwiththisabductionexperienceandmyotherfriend,Dave,wassomekindof

asetupforthis.[Ednote:thisbeinghiscurrentinvolvementwithProjectCamelot]

Iwashugelyupsetbythis,asyoumightimagine.

AB:Yeah!

BR:Icouldntcopewiththisatall.Ihadnowayofcopingwiththis.


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AnditwasChristmastime.Wedboughtticketsforaskiingholiday,anditslike:Well,whataboutmyskiingholiday?

Shesaid:Justgivethetickettosomeoneelse.Itsokay.

IhadsomepeoplestayinginmyhouseandIwassoupsetIstayedinbedforthreedays.Icouldnthandleit;Iwentintoapersonalblackhole.

Thiswas20yearsago;thiswasin1986.

Onthethirdday...andthisiswhatIdonttellanyone.Itsthemostextraordinarystory.Onthethirddayanotherbeingappearedinmyroom,likethefirstone.Andyouknowthatstory,thatsceneinthemovieET,youknow,whenhehashisglowingredfingerandhehealsElliotbecauseEliotisupset,youknow,thelittleboywhohebefriends.

Thisiswhathappenedtome.Thisbeingappearedinmyroom,andIdbeensittingthereinbedunabletomove,unabletofunction,couldnthandlethis.Thiswasnotintended.Thebeingcameuptome,withhisfinger,touchedinthemiddleofthechest[snapsfingers]andthenIwasfine.AlltheupsetwentawayandIwentdownstairsandthewholethingwashandledforme.

AB:Wow,yeah.

BR:Itwasaremarkablestory.Idonttellpeoplethatbecausetheresnowayanyonecanbelieveit.Idontbelieveitmyself,youknow,butthatswhathappened.

Itsaveryimportantstoryforonereason,that,despiteitsunbelievability,whatitshowsmeisthatthesebeingswhowerebehindthatabductionandthatexperienceandthatprogram,whateveritwas,theyactuallyhavecompassion.Theyreallydohavecompassion.

AB:Yeah.

BR:Thiswasntamindlessprogrammedbiologicalrobot.ThiswassomebodywhocameinbecauseitwasntpartoftheplanthatIshouldbesoupsetthatIcouldntfunctionsotheyhadtofixthat.Andtheyfixedit,anditwasacompassionateact.

AB:Andyoucouldreallyfeelitlikethat.

BR:Itjustdisappeared.Everythingdisappeared,likesomebodyturnedaswitchandIwasntupsetanymore.Iwasntupsetbecausesomethingwasaddedon,likeamask.Theupsetwashandledbecausetheytookthe

upsetaway,whichisthebasisofallofeffectivetherapeuticprograms.

Thechargethatsassociatedwithanincident...youremovethatcharge,thenyourebacktonormalagain.Itsthechargethatmakespeopleupset,sotheyliftedthechargeoff[snapsfingers]andthenithadgone.

IsupposeIvehadafewstrangeexperiencessincethen,butIhaventhadanythinglikethat.EverynowandthenIkindofhopetheymight


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comebackandsay:Heyguys,youredoingagreatjob.[Arjanlaughs]But,nothing.Nothingofthatnature.

AB:Youneversawheragain,either?

BR:Ineversawheragain.

AB:Okay.Extraordinarystory.

BR:Itsaremarkablestory.ButoneofthereasonswhyIdonttellit...well,actuallytherearethreereasonswhyIdonttellit.Oneisthestandardreasonwhyanyonewhoshadastrangeexperienceusuallydonttelltheirstory,becausepeoplestartlookingatthemalittlebitweird.

AB:Yep.

BR:Anotherthingisbecauseitssocomplicatedthatitshardtoexplain.

Andthethirdreason...andallofthesethingsarereasonswhichIholdatthesametime.Thethirdreasonisthatotherpeoplehaveexperiencesthatactually,Ibelieve,arefarmoresignificant.

WeinterviewedJimSparks,youknow,andGodalonecanunderstandwhatkindofexperienceshesbeenthrough.Andlastnightweweretalkingtosomebodywhosewholelifehasbeenaboutthis,youknow,overandoverandoveragain.

Ialsodontwanttobesortofattractingattentiontomyselfassomespecialcasehere,becauseIdontthinkit.Itsaweirdstory,butitsnotaspecialcase.

Ivesortofintegrateditintomylife,andthewayIveintegrateditintomylifeisbysaying:Youknowwhat?Imnotevengoingtotryandunderstandthat,butitsgotsomethingtodowithwhatImdoing

now.WhatImdoingnowisimportantandwhoIamnowisimportant.

Thiskindofgoesrightbacktowherewearenow,andthesubjectofthisconversation.AndthisiswhereIwanttostopmonopolizingtheconversationtobringKerryintoit,becausewehavehadthefeelingoverandoveragaineversincewestarted,thatwehavebeenhelped,wevebeenguided,wevehaddoorsopenedforusandwevebeenassistedbyhiddenhands.

WedontknowwhethertheyreET,whethertheyreangelic,whateveronEarthisgoingon,buttheresnoreasonablewaythatwecouldhavedonewhatwevedonewithoutsomekindofhelp.

ThemetaphorwhichIoftenuseiswalkingtowardsablankwallandthenthedoorsuddenlyopensandyougothroughintoanotherroom.Youcantseethedooruntilyougetthere,andthenitsuddenly,magicallyappears.

Thatsbeentheexperiencewevehadeversincethebeginning.AndnowImgoingtostoptalking!

AB:Okay.Well,theenergeticsaroundyoutoo,itsveryclearthat


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thishappens.Thatyoumust,inwhateverway,havesomehelp.

BR:Yeah.Butwerenottheonlyones.Thisistheimportantthing.

AB:No.True.

BR:WerenottryingtobespecialandImnottryingtobespecial.

AB:Iexperienceitmyself.

BR:Yeah.Sure.Everyoneinthisroomprobablyhashadexperiencesthattheyfindhardtoexplain.Somepeoplehavereallyweirdexperiencesandtheydonteventalkaboutthematall.Butthenumberofhumanbeingswhohavehadremarkable,transformativeexperiencesismuchlargerthananyonewouldthink,Imquitesureofit.

AB:Yeah.

BR:Thatsmyverylongelevatorspeech.Seewhathappenswhenyouaskmeasimplequestion?

AB:Yeah,true.[laughter]

BR:Itsarealdanger.Icantalkforanhour.

AB:[toKerry]MaybeinthesameradiointerviewIheardyoualsosaythatyouhadaUFOexperiencewhenyouwereyoung,andIwonderedaboutthat.Howwasit?Didyoufeelithadanysignificanceof...?

KC:Well,IhavetosaythatmyexperienceisalittledifferentthanBillsinthesensethatsinceIwasyoung...IthinkIhadarepetitiousexperiencegoingonallthetimewhenIwasyoung.

Ihadarecurringnightmare.IwouldgotosleepandthenIwouldbewalkingdownapathoutofmyfrontdoor.Itwasalittlepathandtherewasapicketfence.Ididntliveinahousethathadapathand

apicketfence,okay?[Arjanlaughs]ButthisiswhatIwoulddream.

AB:Mm-hm.

KC:Andattheendofthepicketfence,therewouldbeamanstandingtherewithafedora--youknow,oneofthosehatsfrom,like,aspymovie--andanovercoat...

AB:LikeaZorro,orsomething.

KC:andIwasafraid.IwouldhearsortofabuzzingsoundandthenIwouldwakeupandIwouldbeterrified.Thatwasrecurring,allthetime.

Atthesametime...strangelyenough,notsolongagoIsawavideoofmyselfwithmyfamilywhenIwasImusthavebeen,Idontknow,16,orsomethinglikethat.AndIjustlookeddifferentthaneveryoneelse.Idontknowhowtoexplainit.

AB:Mm-hm.

KC:Mysister...Icantellyouthatthisissostrange,thatmy


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sisteractuallyturnedtome,lookedatthevideo,andsaid:Whoisthat?[laughter]

IturnedtoherandIsaid:Itsme.Andsheslikeshedidntremembermefromthenorsomethinglikethat.Itwasjustaweirdandstrangething.

AB:Yeah!

KC:AndIlookedatmyself...Thishashappenedtomebefore.IthappenedtomewhenIwasinschool.Iwasvideotapedfora...Iwasdoingaspeechorsomething,andIdidntknowwhothatwaswhenIlookedatthething.

Idontknowhowtoexplainthat,butitwasastrangethingthatwouldhappentomeandIwasfilmedwhenIwasakid.Theywereshootingmoviesaroundtheschoolorsomething,justkidsthings.

So,anyway,beyondthat,asIwasreadingbooksonmagicandthings...[laughs]WhenIwaseleven,IwasveryItaughtmyselftoreadwhenIwasvery,veryyoung,beforeIcouldgotoschool.MybrotherwasgoingtoschoolandIwouldsitatthedoorandwaitforhimtocomehomesoIcouldaskhimaword.SoIwasvery,Idontknow,

precocious,youmightsay.

AB:Mm-hm.

KC:IwouldntsaythatIwasextraordinarilybrilliantorsomekindofthinglikethat,butIwasveryaware.IguessIwasfullyawarewhenIwasakid.

Like,IwasveryupsetthatIwasakidbecauseIcouldntgooutandjustrunmylife.IdidntunderstandwhyIwasputintothisbody,andthisthingthatIwaslittle,andachild,becauseinmyheadIwasntthatperson.Youknow.Iwasinanotherplace.

ButbesidesthatIalsohad,Iguess,awarenessofbeingsbeingaroundallthetime.

AB:Buthavetheyfrightenedyou?

KC:Certainly.IsawUFOslater

AB:Okay.

KC:whenwewereolder.Ijustknewaboutthem.Infact,Ihadsomefriends,even...

IwenttoNewYorkandIstudiedacting,andacouplefriendssaidtomeoneday,theysaid:Well,yourereallylikeanET.[laughter]

Wewerejustwalkingdownthestreet.IwasntinCamelotandIwasntassociatedwithUFOs,andIwasntstudyingthemoranyofthatstuff.Wewereinvolvedinmusicandartandthings.

Theyjustturnedtomeandsaid:Well,yourejustlikeanETorsomething.AndIwaslike...Iwashurtbythat.[laughter]


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AB:Allright.

KC:Ithought:Oh,myGod.WhatisitImdoingandsayingthatssooddthatthesepeoplearelikethatandsayingthataboutme?

Butthen,IalsoknewexactlywhatIwasdoing.IknewaboutEasternphilosophyandIwastestedincollege,inaclass,byapersonwhowasfromIndia.Iwrotesomekindofessayandhereadittotheclassandhesaid:Well,youknowallaboutthisstuff.AndIhadneverreadabookaboutitatall.

AB:Mm-hm.

KC:Butanyway,IdecidedthatIwouldreachenlightenment.[laughs]ItwasmydecisionwhenIwaslike21orsomething...Iwasjustgoingtodothis.

SoIjustgotsomebooksonKundaliniandsoon,andthenIsatandmeditated.Iendedupmeditatingeverydayforlikehoursandhoursforprobablyamonthorso.Istoppedkindofgoingtoworkandeverythingelse.AndIdid...Ireachedkundalinisamadhi,whats

calledasamadhiexperience,andmergedwitheverything.

SoIdidallthisveryconsciously.IknewIwasgoingtodoit.IplanneditandIdidit,youknow?SoIhavetosayIwouldclassifyitmore[as]spiritualexperiences,likeIcameattheUFOthingfromamorespiritualplace.

AB:Yeah.

KC:But,youknow,myfamilywascampinginLakeTahoeanditwasFourthofJulyorsomethinglikethat,andwewerejusthavingacampingtripandsleepingunderthestars.IdontknowhowoldIwas,maybeinmytwentiesormaybethirtiesatthatpoint.

Andupintheskywereallthesewell,theylookedlikestars,butthentheyjuststartedmovingaround,andtheywereallmoving.Imean,itjustwentonforhoursandwewerejustwatchingandIsaid:LookatalltheUFOs!

IwastheonlyoneinmyfamilywhoknewanythingaboutthatandIdirectedtheirattentiontothatandthenwejustwatchedit.Itwasliketheywerehavingaparty,basically,inspace,becauseallthestarswerenotjustsittingthere.Theywerealljustmovingaroundandgoingplacesandzippingbackandforth.Itwasliketheywerehavingahugemeeting.

AB:Foreveryonetosee?

KC:Well,myfamily.

AB:Yeah,okay.Itwasnotjustyouwhosawit.

BR:Itwasadisplay.

KC:Yeah.Itwasjustgoingonandonbuttheywerewayfarupthere,sotheylookedlikestars,buttheyliterallywerezippingaround.So


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thatwasfine.Thatwasjustlikenormal,oritjustseemednormal,youknow.Itdidntseemlikeabigdeal.

AB:Toyou!Buttoyourfamilyitwasextraordinary,Ireckon?

KC:Well,theydidntgetallexcitedoranything.

AB:Really?

KC:Imean,wewerelaughingaboutit,justlayinginoursleepingbagskindoflaughingaboutitandstuff.ButtheydontconsciouslyseemtothinkaboutthiskindofthingthatIminvolvedin,Camelotandallthat.Theydontevenknow.

Imean,theyknow.Ivesaid:Gotomywebsite,blah,blah,buttheydontgo.Onesisterisntonlineatallandshestheonethatwouldbe...Imean,shesopentothings.Shesfairlypsychicallyaware.

AB:Mm-hm.

KC:Myothersisterhashad,Ithink,experiences.Youknowhowtheysaytheseabductions,whatever,runinfamilies?Idobelievewehavehadthatinmyfamily.

AB:Okay,yeah.

KC:Mymotherwasquiteinteresting.Shewasveryawareandopentoallsortsofspiritualthings,butatthesametime,youknow,shealsowasveryconventionalincertainways.

So,toansweryourquestion,Ihaventhadany...otherthanIseelightbeingsallthetime.Iactuallysawacouple,notlastnightbutthenightbefore,beforewewentonstage.Twoofthemcame.Theyvisitmeforawhileandthentheydisappear.IveseenthemsinceIwasinmytwenties.

AB:Allright.

KC:Theyveaccompaniedmetoplaces.AndwheneverIwouldbeinastatewhereIdbeveryupset,youknow,becauseIwasasortofstrugglingactorandlivedinNewYorkCityandstudiedacting.IdidnthaveanymoneyandIdidntalwaysknowifIcouldeatthatdayandIhatedborrowingmoneyfrommyparents,soIwouldnttellthem,andsoonandsoforth.

SoIhadsomeroughtimesandtheywerealwaystheywouldcomeandvisitme.

AB:Okay.Soyourinitialexperienceinyourdreamswerevery

frightening,actually?

KC:Thatone,yeah,whenIwasareallylittlekid.AndIwasafraidofSantaClaus.Iknowthissoundsstupid[laughter]butwhenChristmaswouldcomeand,youknow,thiswaswhenwewerereallyyoung,andtheywouldsay:Oh,SantaClausisgoingtocome.

AndSantaClauscame,supposedly,andflewinthesky,right?

AB:Oh,right!


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KC:SoIjustrememberthinkingtomyself:Oh.Well,ifthereissuchabeingasSantaClaus,ImnotinterestedinlookingoutthewindoworlettingthemknowthatImawake.Becausetheyweregoingto,youknow

AB:Yeah.

BR:Becausetheyweregoingtodosomething.

KC:Yeah,Iwasafraidofsomething.

AB:Butyouroverallfeelingafterallthoseyears,wouldyoulabelitasmorepositiveormorenegative?

KC:Well,Iamnotconvincedofwhatwasgoingonthen.TheressomeotherthingsthatIvejustputtogetherrecentlywhichhavetodowithMILABS,whichiswhen

BR:M-I-L-itaryA-B-duction-S.

KC:Yeah.Mywholefamily,allthekidsinmyfamily--theresfourofus--wereborninacertainhospital,exceptforme.Iwasbornin

amilitaryhospitalinPaloAltonearMoffettField,whichisamilitarybase.

AB:Mm-hm.

KC:AndIalwaysthought:Well,Imspecial.Iwasborninaspecialhospital.Youknow,differentthaneveryone.ButIneverputtwoandtwotogether.

JustrecentlyIvebeenthinking:Well,isntthatinteresting.MyfatherwasapilotinWorldWarII.Hebuilthisownairplane.HewasquitebrilliantinhiswayandIdontknowwhatthatsabout.

AndImsuremymotherwouldhavenoidea.Shewouldsay:Oh,thatsridiculous.Nothingwenton.But,itwasjustlikeaweirdlittlethingthatwentonthere.

Soifyouputthattogetherwiththeguywiththeovercoatandthebuzzingandwhatever,maybetheressomethingthatwentonearlyon.

AB:Hmm.Okay.

BR:Butwhoknows?

AB:Yeah.

BR:Andmaybewecanneverknowthesethings.

AB:Yeah,maybe.Youhaveanoverallfeelingifitsmorerightorifitsmoresomethingyoudontwant.

KC:Yeah.NowwhenIlookbackonitImsurethatthisisprobablyanoverallpositivethingthatIwasveryinvolvedin.ButatthesametimeImalso,youknowImawarethattherearepositiveandnegativebeings.Like,Ihavenodoubtinmymindwhatsoever.


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Itcouldbethatthiscomesfrommyownpastofhavingbeenexposedtothemondifferentlevels.Impsychicallyawareofalotofthingsgoingon.Iseethingsandprettymuchhavekeptittomyself,evennowinCamelot,youknow.

BR:Thisisntthekindofthingthatwetalkabouteventoeachother,becauseourfocusisexternaltoourselves,anditsonotherpeople.

AB:Yeah,right.

BR:Itsnotmeanttobeaboutus,youknow.

KC:Yeah.Butitguidesus,Ihavetosay.Imean,IwilltellBillthingsthatweneedtodo,orthisorthat,becauseImgettingadirect,verystrongmessage.Andhegetsthisoccasionallyaswell.

AB:Okay.

KC:AndIthinkthatinmanywaysweareprotectedonanEarthlylevel,butIthinkwereveryprotectedonanunseenlevel.

BR:Ithinkoneofthethingsthatunitesus,whichIveonlyrecentlyreallyrealizedisunusual,isthatwehavenofear.

KC:None.None.

BR:Noneatall.Absolutelynone.

AB:Thatsquiteextraordinary.

BR:Theideaofushavingfearissounusualthatwedonteventhinkaboutthefactthatwedonthavefear.Wejustdoourthing.Itsotherpeoplewhopointout:What,arentyouafraid?

KC:Yeah,Ihavetroubleunderstanding,tosomedegree,somepeople.ThatisntbecauseImnotafraidofanything,youknow.IvehadtimesinmylifewhereIvebeenalone,andsortofadesperatesituation,whatever.

BR:Imean,whenthatspiderappearedin[looksdirectlyatKerry]

KC:WhenImovedtoNewYorkCityfromCalifornia...[toBill]Stopit![laughter].WhenImovedtoNewYorkCity

BR:Spidersareabigproblem.

AB:Oh,okay![laughter]

KC:Idontlikespiders.ButImovedtoNewYorkCitywhenIwasakid,youknow,likeinmyyoung--Idontknow,Iwasinmylatetwenties--tostudyacting.AndcomingfromNorthernCalifornia...ifyouknowanythingaboutthat...

Youknow,IgrewupinNorthernCalifornia,andthatsacertainkindofaperson.LikeNorthernCalifornia,wehavesortofathingaboutthat.Were,like,cool;wereveryadvanced,youknow.


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AB:Oh,okay.

KC:ThatswhyTheSixtieshappened,reallyhappened,inSanFranciscoandthiswhole

BR:AppleComputerandthewholething

KC:Yeah.IgrewupnearAppleComputerandallthat.

AB:Thefancypartoftheworld.[Kerrylaughs]

KC:Well,Idontknow,butwhenImovedtoNewYork,itwasacompletedrasticdifference,tohitthestreetsandhavezillionsofpeopleeverywhereandalsotogointhesubwayandstuff.Itwasveryintimidatingforayoung,sortofblondishperson,afemaleespecially.SointhatsenseIknewfear.YouknowwhatImsaying?

AB:Yeah,okay.

KC:ButintermsofCamelot,itsjustnotevenasecondthought.Idontknowwhy.Ijustknowthatwe

Inotherwords,Iwilldoandsayjustaboutanything.Wevebeen

told,likeIwasjusttoldanumberoftimesrecentlythatIdbekilledifIsaidcertainthings,andIvesaidthem.Youknow,werenotstupid,Ihavetosay,butbythesametokenitslikeyouknow.

AB:Yougetalotofrequests,Ithink,fromwhistleblowerstogeton.Youdeterminewhichoneyougivestageandwhichyoudont.Anditsprobablyallintuitivebecausenostoryisactuallyverifiable.

KC:Yeah,wedohave

AB:Well,moreorless?Andyouhavetomake,constantly,choices:Dowegivestageordontwe?

KC:Thatsright.

AB:Doyoudeclinealot?Doyougetalotofrequests:ImawhistleblowerandIhaveastoryand

KC:Wegetalotofpeoplewritingtoussaying:Imthemostimportantpersonintheworld.IhadthisspecialETexperience.

Imsorry,butitsverycommon.Wegetzillionsofemailsofthistype.JustrecentlyIwaslookingatmyinbox.Wehadtwopeoplewritingtoussaying:Iwantyoutointerviewme.Ivegotthismostimportantstory.Anditsjustyourtypicalabductionexperience.

AB:Mm-hm.

BR:Now,thisneedsacaveatbecausewerenottryingtominimizeormarginalizeanyonewhoshadaveryimportantpersonalexperience.WhatKerrysreallytalkingabout,Ithink,iscontext,andsomepeople,forunderstandablereasons,theyhavetroubleintegratingtheirownexperience.

KC:Butitisimportanttosaythatthisisworldwide.Whathappens


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is,everyonehasaspecialthingbecauseitseemsspecialtothem.Butweactuallyget,Ihavetosay,wedogetpeoplewritingtoussaying:IvegotTheMessagefortheplanet.

Thisisreallywhattheysayandwhattheythink;theythinktheyareTheOne.Andthisisapitfallinthisworldthatwerein.

Oneofthebell-ringersforusinevaluatingwhetherornottotalktoapersonishow...whathappensis,arealwhistleblowercomesacrossverysubtly,verybuttonedup.

BR:Verylow-key.

KC:Theyrarelytelluseverythinginthefirstemail.Theywritetousandtheysay:Ihaveacouplethingstotalktoyouabout.Iwonderif

Sometimesitsaone-liner.Sometimestheyllputinonewordthatmightbelikeacovertwaytoseeifwereawakeandawareandwhetherwepickuponit.Soitsafascinatingprocess,whatgoesoninterms

ofpeoplecommunicatingtous.

Theotherpartofthatisthat,inasense,werenotreallyawebsiteforabducteesandcontactees.

AB:No,no.No.

KC:Thatsactuallynotourareaofexpertise,ortheareathatwevedecidedtofocuson.

AB:Okay.

KC:Wereallyhavedecidedtofocusonwhistleblowersthatcomeoutof

the,sortof,blackprojects.But,ontheotherhand,whathashappenedisthatsomeofourresearchers,someofthepeoplethatwehavebeenattractedtointerviewforintuitivereasons,havehadETexperiencesandcontactandchannelingandsoon.

AB:Yeah.Ireallylikethebroadnessofthespectrumyoucoverinyourinterviews.

BR:Wedonthaveastrategyoraplan,yousee.Thesethingscomeatusinaveryholistic,integratedway.Thingsjusthappen,almostliketheressomekindofascriptbeingwritten,inanesotericsense.

Whatwedoiswejustgowiththeflow.

Webothfeel,intuitivelyitsexactlywhatKerryssaidwegetamessage,sometimes,becausewebothgetallofourmail.Webothhoneinonthesamemessagesaying:Thismessagehere,haveyoureadthat?

Andshedsay:Yeah.Ivejustreadthatthismoment.Thispersonfeelsimportant.

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KC:ButItermitas,inasense,wearefollowingthetrailofamystery.Weregoingwherethetrailandthecluesleadus.Thatmeansthatevenrightnowwecannottellyou...

Werenotgoingtorulesomebodyoutbecauseyousay:Oh,thispersonsinthehealthfield,orthispersonsinthesuch-and-suchfield.Actually,thereisnoareathatwewontgoin,butitonlydependsonifwegetthepushtofollowtheclueandtogointhatdirection.

So,logically...liketheressomepeoplewhocollectalltheinterviewswitheveryonewhosevertalkedaboutsuch-and-such.Right?Andeverwrittenabookaboutsuch-and-such.

Wedontactuallydothat.Wedontduplicate.Whatweredoingisactuallyfollowingatrail.Soifwegetonepersoninacertainarea,thatonepersonisverywellchosen,atleastfromourpointofview.Okay?

AB:Yeah,andyoucanfeelit.Tofollowyouandyourwork,itsquiteextraordinary,actually.Yeah.Ireallyencourageyouto

KC:Weliketoseethebigpicture.Wewanttopaintthebigpicture,soeachisapieceofthepuzzle,theyrenotduplicatepieces.

AB:Ialsolikethatyoudonthavethesameopinionalways.

KC:Never.[Arjanlaughs]Imean,itsfunnybecausewewillagreeonintuitivesortofmessagessometimes,butintermsofoverallapproachitsdrasticallydifferent.Hesmorethescientific--wesayMulderandScullyfromX-Files--onlyhesScullyandImMulder,becausehesthescientistandImmoretheintuitivecommunicator.

AB:Onthemoneything,howdoesmoneyworkforyou?Becauseacouple

ofmonthsago,acoupleofweeksago,Ireadonyourblog[that]moneyisaproblem.Everybodyhastomakealivingandherewehavetwobeautifulpeopledoingmostextraordinaryworkforwakinguptheplanettoacertainstory.

Whatisyourviewonthat?Whydoeseverythingatthecoreofyourworkhavetobefree?Imeantheremustbesomewaytosomehowsupportyoumorebythepeoplethatwatchyourvideos.Ithink,Imightimagine,thatyoucoulddobetterandmoreifyouhadlessworryaboutmoney,inaway.

BR:Hmm.Letmeanswerthisfirst.Therearedifferentwaystogoatthis,anditsaninterestingquestion.

Forme,itsaboutaphilosophicalreversaloftheprincipleofmoney,whichisbasedonexchange.IfIvegotacoffeeshop,IgiveyouthecupofcoffeeandthenyougivemethreeEurosorthreedollarsorwhateveritis,andthatstheexchange.

ButIsaytoyou:Ivegotthecupofcoffeehere.Imnotgoingto


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giveittoyouunlessyougivemethemoneyfirst.Thatshowitworks.Or,unlessyouagreetogivemethemoneyfirst,andthenitschanged.

Now,usuallythatsthewaybusinessisdone.AndthewaythatthingsaresoldontheInternet,oftenitslikeyouvegotaDVD,oryouvegotavideo,oryouvegotabook,anditslike:Okay,yougivemethemoney,thenIllsendyoutheinformation.

AB:Yeah.

BR:Okay.Now,whatwevedoneisweveputitinreverse.Itlikewellgiveyoualltheinformationandwetrustthatitsgoingtocomebacktous.AndmaybeIgiveyoutheinformationandhegivesmethemoney.Itdoesntmatter.

Itdoesntmatterwhogivesusthemoney,yousee,becauseitstheprincipleofflow.Theprincipleisthatwegivepeoplewhateverwehaveandthen,iftheUniverseisplayingfair,anditseemstobe,thenwegetareturn.

AB:Youmayremindpeoplemoreofdoingthat.Forexample,ifIlookatmyself,Imadelikefourorfivetimes,asmalldonation,andIexpectmaybeeverybodydoesthat,but,apparently,itdoesnthappen.

IfIwasremindedmoreofteninavideo,attheendofavideoforexample,tomakeadonation,thenIprobablywouldhavedoneitmoreoften.

KC:Yeah,ourcameramanisverypleasedthatyoujustsaidthatbecausethisishisadvicetous,andweregoingtostartdoingthis.

AB:Itwashisidea.ThatswhyImbringingitup.

KC:Yeah.Thankyouverymuch.

BR:But,forme,theresapointhereaswell,yousee.Itslikethatalsobecomespartoftheprocessthatwedontthinkabout.Itsjustlike:Okay.Thisislikeanarticleoftrust.Wejusttrustitsgoingtoworkthatway,andthenitdoes.

Thephilosophicalbackdropforwantingtodoitthatwayisbecausetheinformationisnotourstosell.

AB:No.

BR:Itsnotours.Youcanthavecopyrightonthisstuff.Peoplewhothink:Well,IownthisinformationandIownthewordsinthisinterviewandIownmyexperienceandyoucanthaveitthisis

very,verysmall,limitedhumanthinkingwhichisveryoldparadigm.

Wereonlyactingasachannelforthisinformation,asawayofgettingthisinformationout.Itsnotours.Sohowcanwesellsomethingthatdoesntbelongtous?

AB:Maybeyoushouldntthinkaboutthat.IthoughtaboutsomethingyesterdayandIwanttobringthatintotheworldwiththisinterview.


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IthoughtitmaybewouldbenicetomakeakindofatributetoBillandKerryfromallkindsofwhistleblowerstheyvehad,allkindsofpeoplethatwatchyourvideos.InHollandwedothatalot.

With,letssayforexample,thetsunamihithere.WehavesixteenmillionpeopleandtherewasoneTVshowandweraisedabout100millionEurosforthat.

Maybethatsanidea.Maybesomeonewillpickitup,maybenot.ThatsjustanideaIhad.

KC:Well,thankyou.Ihavetosaythatourphilosophyonthisisalittlebitdifferent.Werebothalignedinthesensethatthismaterialneedstobefreeattheoutset.

Whatitsaboutisthat,youknow,wetalkedaboutityesterday,whichistheideaofpeoplenothavingaccess,whetheritstoinformationortruthorsecrets.Sothelastthingwewanttodoisputabarriertherebetweenthepeopleandthetruththatwewanttogetoutthere.

SowewantthattogetoutthereandThankGodfortheInternet,becauseitisthere.Itisamediumthatallowsustodothat.

Sowewerecompletelyinagreementfromdayone.Everythingwasgoingtobefree.Okay?

AB:Mm-hm.Thatsbeautiful.

KC:Andthathastohappen.Infact,wevebeenofferedtodoatelevisionshow,youknow,likeonregularTV

AB:Okay.

KC:althoughitdidntactuallyhappen.Thiswasayearago.

Eventhenweweresayingtotheproducers:Butyoudounderstandthat

ourvideosaregoingtobefreeonCamelot?Ithastobethatway.

Now,ontheotherhand,weare...atleastIam...morepractical,becauseImafilmmaker.WhatwedontdoispackageDVDsandwhatweneedtodoisdothat.Andthosewouldgoforsale,becausethereisalaborandacosttoactuallyproducethat.

AB:Okay.Yeah.

KC:Now,theresalaborandacosttoproducewhatwedo.

AB:Definitely.

KC:Butwearekindof,likeIsaid,guerillafilmmakersandwearegoingontheparadigmthatifweputitoutthere,itwillcomeback.Imean,wedobelievethatandithasworked.

AlthoughIhavetosay,forthefirsttwoyears,Ihadasmallinheritancefrommymotherpassingandwefinanced--wereself-financed.Thenthelastyear,Billsmotherpassedandwehadasmallamountofmoneyfromtherethatkeptusgoing.


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Thenwealsostartedaskingfordonations,Ithinknowitsbeenalmostayearandahalfago.OurAvalonsite,westartedchargingforsubscriptionsadollar![laughs]orwhateveryouwant,orfivedollarsamonth.Butthathasntactuallybeenallthatsuccessful.Peopledidntwanttopaysomuchforbeingonaforumandsoon.

ButwetrytoconveytothemthatwhatthatsubscriptionwasgoingtodowasgointotheCamelotwork,sothattheinformationsortoffuelseverythingelse,right?Becauseanybodyweinterviewisgoingtohelpraisethelevelofconsciousness,andalsofortheAvalonsideofthings,whichisthesidewhichhastodowithfindingsafeplaces,preparingforthefutureinsortofanutsandboltsway.

AB:Yep.

KC:AndwedohaveanothersitethatwerelookingtodowhichiscalledProjectLightWarrior.

AB:Youmentionedthatontheradio,yeah.

KC:Wearegoingtohelppeopledevelopthemselves,becausebeyonddevelopingyourownsafeplaceandgettingintogroupsandnetworking,

theresasidethatismorespiritualaboutpreparingforthedaystocome.Youneedtobecomeasenlightenedasyoucanbe,andbecomeasmuchofaspiritualwarrioraspossible.

BR:AndtherewevegotYodaonthewallthere,toremindus.

KC:Exactly.Becausewhatwerefacingismuchmoreofaspiritualexperience.Itwillmanifestphysically,hereonthematerialrealm,onthe3D,buttherealsortofnutsandboltsbattle,ifyouwill,willhappenfortheheartsandmindsofhumanity.

Sothatiswhatwewanttohelp,inthefuture,toequippeoplealong

thoselines.

BR:Thereisaspiritualwargoingon.Itsjustthatrighthereandnowonthisplanet,thisseemstobeoneofthefrontlines.Thatsonewaytoputit.

KC:Soyoucantputapriceonthat.Youcantsay...youknow.Wereallymusteducatepeople;wemustmakethembecomeaware.Wemustencouragethemtodoso.Sothatswheretheredbenobarriertoentry,nomatterwhat.

Now,wehavebeenapproached...Somepeopledontwanttolookatourvideosbecauseitshardtostreamandittakestimeandwevehadall

logisticalthingsgoon,sotheywanttopurchaseaDVD,oreventohanditouttofamilyandfriends.

AB:Yeah.

KC:Inthatsenseweveactuallybeenprettyremiss,becausewecantlayoutthemoneyitcoststopayfor,Idontknow,thousandsofDVDstobeprinted,andthenputitonoursiteandsellit,andallthiskindofthing.Weactuallyareverybadinthatareaandweknowit.


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So,inasense,wecouldbemoresortofproactiveinfundingourworkthanweare.

AB:Ithinkmanypeoplewouldreallyliketosupportyouinthatway.

KC:Well,thankyou.

BR:Buttheprincipleoffundingwouldalwaysbeaddingvalue,notsaying:Werenotgoingtotellyouunlessyoupayus.

AB:Ahh...

BR:Theinformationwouldalwaysbeavailable,but,forinstance,theadvantageofaDVDisthatthequalityishigher.

KC:ThethingaboutAvalonisthat,eventhoughwechargeasubscription,youcanseeeverythingthatsavailableonthesiteforfree,youjustcantpost.Soitsjustreallyimportanttous.

BR:Anotheranalogyisgoingintoanewrelationship,whichisthatifyougointoanewrelationshipthinkingWhatamIgoingtogetoutofthis?...itsprobablynotgoingtowork.

IfyougointoanewrelationshipthinkingOkay,thisisawonderfulopportunitytogivesomething,togivelove,andthenmaybeIllgetloveback.

Butifyougolookingforlovebecauseyouneedsomething,itprobablywontwork.YouneedtoflipitaroundinthewaythatItriedtodescribeacoupleofminutesago.

Thatsbasicallythewaythat,Ithink,webothliveourlives.Itslikeweretryingtogivesomething,andwerenottryingtomakeourselvesbespecial.Itsjustbecauseitsajobanditneedsto

happen.

Werenottheonlyones.Werepartofahugeteamofpeoplewhoaredoingthis,eachintheirownway.

AB:Thisprobablyrelatestoyournothavingfear.Youdontexperiencefear.Iwonderedaboutthat,too.Youreinafieldwhereitsveryeasytogetfrightened,andapparentlyyoudontfeelthat.

Ithinkthat,inaway,ifyoucanlookatyourownshadow,youcanlookattheshadowoftheworld,andapparentlythatswhatyoureverygoodat.ButisthereawayinwhichyourpersonallivesarebeingmirroredintheeventstakingplaceinProjectCamelot?

KC:UmImnotsurehowtoanswerthat.Imean,Imnotsurewhatthequestionis,inasense.ButingeneralIwouldsaythatwhathappenedwithCamelotisthatweactuallymeteachotherasfriendsandstartedonthisjourneyanddecidedtodoCamelotjustlikethat[snapsfingers]whenwewenttoTintagelinEngland,youknow,thehomeofKingArthur.


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WewereinspiredbytheideaofaRoundTableinwhichthereisnohierarchy.

BR:Everyonesequal.Theresnospecialpersonsittingattheheadofaroundtable,yousee.Itdoesntworklikethat.

KC:Wedecidedthatwasgoingtobesortofourmottoforwhatwewerecreating.Theotherthingwasthatwehadverylittlemoney,andIhadthislittleconsumer-gradecamcorderthatwasgoingtobeourinterviewtool,right?

So,webothcamefromthatgrassrootsideaandwestuckwithit.Butitalsobecameall-consuming,Ihavetosay.

AB:Ireckon.Yeah.

KC:Oratleastforthelastmaybethreeyears,uptoacertainpoint.Maybemorerecently,itchanged.

But,basically,wewouldworkallthetime.Imean,like,untileightornineatnight,andiftherewassomethinggoingon,thenwewould

worklater.Youknow,itwasthekindofthingwhereitslikeastart-upcompany,inasense.

Itwasalaboroflove.Wewereinvolvedinitallthetime.Itisineveryaspectofourlives.Andthisisstillthecasemostofthetime.

About,Idontknow,ninemonthsagothen,Billgotinarelationship.Becausewewerebothsingle,also.AweirdthingthathappenedwasthatwhenweformedCamelot,wedidnthavefamiliesandpeopledependingonus.andallthiskindofthing.

BR:Andchildrenandjobsand

KC:So,wewerebothtotallyfreeandwebothsortofsaid:Ivegotthisskill-set.Hesgotthisskill-set.Whatifweputthemtogether?

WebothwantedtoseeDisclosure.Webothsaid:Whatwedliketoseeintheworld,letscreatethat.

AB:Yeah.

KC:Okay?Sowestartedoutdoingthat.Wehadnoideawedbesuccessfulatit.Wedidntevenknowwhatweweredoing.

Butpeopleandthings...itjustcameatus.Also,wesaid:Oh,letsinterviewDanBurisch,becausepeopledontseemtounderstandwhathesallabout.Andwelovewell,Ilovegoingintocontroversy,sowejust

AB:Andyourequitesuccessfulatthat![laughter]

KC:Butwedidntknowifpeoplewouldsay:Getoutofhere!NoImnotdoingit.Whoareyou?WhyshouldIlistentoyou?...thattypeofthing.


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But,wildly,weseemtodisarmthepeopleveryeasily,andtheyinviteustotheirhouses,andtheywouldtellustheirstories,thentheywouldbreakintotearsandthen...Youknow,BobDean.Imean,heneverbrokeintotearsinhislifeinfrontofacamerauntilhewaswithus.

AB:Ohgosh.Thatsextraordinary.

KC:Ihavetosaythatsacompliment,yousee,becausethetrustgetsestablished.

AB:Yeah.

KC:Buttoanswertheoriginalquestion,becauseIkindofdiverged[laughs]istosaythat,really,Camelotbecame24hours.

AB:Yeah.Wererunningalmostoutoftime.Iwouldliketoaskyouthequestion:Whatisthemostextraordinaryvideoorphotoyousawinyourlife?

KC:Oh,Idontknow.Whatdoyoumeanbyextraordinary?Youmean

somethingoutsidethatwehaventdone?Likesomethingthatinspiredus?Orareyoutalkingaboutwhatweveseenandwhatwevedone?

AB:Whatyouveseen,like,fromwitnesses,fromotherworlds,orlikeNASApicturesorofMars.Orhaveyouevervisitedanundergroundbaseorseensomephysicalevidenceofblackprojectsorwhat?Somethinglikethat.

KC:Oh,interesting.Hmm.

BR:Letmestartwhileyouthink.[Kerrylaughs]Idontknowwhetheryouveseenthesephotographsyet.Haveyouseenthephotographwith

thecarbeingdematerialized?

KC:Yes.

BR:Yes.Thatwasquiteinteresting.Thiswassomebodywhocameuptousatarecentconferencehedoesnotwantpublicityforthisyetwithaseriesofphotographswhichshowed,veryclearly,acardisappearingintosomekindofaportal...

AB:Allright.

BR:...inawholeseriesofeventsthathecouldbarelyunderstand.He

didntwantthisinformationoutbecausehiscolleague,whowaswithhimatthetime,whoactuallytookthephotographs,thenreceivedoneofthosevisitsthatyourenotmeanttoenjoyverymuchwhenhewasinAmerica.

AB:Ah!

BR:Butthatsjustalittle...Imean,thisisjustoneweirdphenomenon.ThatkindofthingprobablyhappensinlaboratoriesinLos


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Alamosallthetime,asfarasweknow,wehavenoidea.Butitwasquitefuntoseeitinapicture.

KC:Well,Iwouldsaythat,IthinkitscalledtheSTS40orwhatever.Theresavideooutthere.

BR:STS-48.

KC:ItwasshotbyNASA,inwhichyouactuallyseethemshootingat,youknow,youseethemfireataUFO.

AB:Yeah.Yeah.

KC:Iwouldsaythat,asfarasallthefootageIveseen,allthecrazyphotographs...andIvetakenphotosofUFOs,too,bytheway.

AB:Okay.

KC:ItsonoursiteunderShorts.Alotofpeopledontseethat,butIinterviewed...ItwasoneofmyearliestinterviewsbeforeCamelot,andIinterviewedalotofresearchers,alotofpeople:JimMarrs,RichDolanandsoon.

Actually,Iknewtoshootatthesky.Iclickedpicturesofawhole

seriesofUFOs.Theymadeadesignforme.Itsquiteextraordinary.Ifyougotothesite,youllseeit.AndthenIdidhavethatsightinginSwitzerland,LakeGeneva.ThiswholevideoisonYoutube.

AB:Yeah,yeah.

KC:ButIwouldsaytheSTS,themshooting...becauseIthinkthatthatwas,Imean,theresevidencethattheressomethinggoingonherebetweentheEarthandthebeingsoutthereandwhattheythinktheyredoing.

Idontknowhowoldthatis,butitsnotfromTheFiftiesorsomething.

BR:No,thats1990-something.

KC:Sotheyrestilltryingtoshootatthings.Asmuchas,withallduerespect,BobDeansays:Wefoundoutwecouldntshootatthem.Werestilltrying.Somaybeweresucceedingonceinawhile,Ireallydontknow,buttheressomethinggoingon.

BR:Letmejustaddsomethingasacommenttoyourquestionaboutinterestingvideosorinterestingphotographs.

Peoplesendusphotographsallthetime.Someofthemreallyarequite

interesting,butIthinkthatsnotthepoint,becauseinmyopinionwerewaybeyondtryingtoprovetotheworldthatthesephenomenaexist.

Isayoverandoveragain,Ilovetheanalogythatwerelikefishermenonasouthseaisland,alittleisland.Andwecatchthefish,andwegoinourboatsand,youknow,thatsourworld,alittleisland.

Wedontthinkthattheresanyoneelseintheworld.Allweseeis


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theseaallaroundus.Weretheonlypeopleintheworld.

Everynowandthenweseeametalbird,orsomebody,somecrazyperson,saysthattheyseeametalbird.Orsomecrazypersonclimbsatreeandsaysthattheyseeabigmetalshiponthehorizon,andeveryonethinksthattheyrecrazy.

Thenwerunaroundtryingtoprovewhetherthesethingsarerealornot.Itslike:Ofcoursetheyrereal.

Therealquestionsare,youknow,whoisinthatmetalbird?Wherearetheygoingandwhyaretheyflyingoverourisland?Andwhatarethosepeopleinthatmetalship,andwhyaretheysailingtowardsus?Orwhyaretheyignoringus?Or,youknow,aretheytryingtohelpus?Aretheyfriends?Aretheypeoplelikeus?Doesthismeanthatthereareotherpeopleintheworld?Isthereanotherislandoutthereintheseasomewhere?Whoknows?

Therearemuch,much,muchbiggerquestionsratherthantryingtoprovethisstuffexists.Itsagiventhatthesephenomenaarereal.

Wedonthavetoproveanything.ItslikeIdontneedtogooutthereandprovetoyouthattherearecarsinthestreet.YouknowandIknow.

AB:Imverygratefulyoucomefromthatplace,becausethatsactuallywhatyoucanfeel,whereyourecomingfrominthisworkandthatsveryvaluable,inmyopinion.

BR:Yeah.Andpeoplesendusphotographsof:Look!Ijustsawthisthinginthesky!Anditsalittlekindofthing.Youmagnifyitwithallthelittlepixelsandyoucanseesomething,itlookslikeadisk.

Itslike,okay,thereare50thousandpictureslikethat.WedontneedOfcourseitscooltohaveapicture,butthatsnotthepoint.Thatsnotthepoint.

Ithinkthatthatswhereweretryingtotakeit...TheresthisEnglishphrasethatscalledpushingtheenvelope.Werenottryingtoanalyzedocumentsfrom,youknow,isTrumanssignatureonthis1947documentrealornot?

KC:Well,therearepeopleouttheredoingthat,andthatsfine.Itsnottoputthatstuffdown.

BR:Thatsokay.Thatswhattheyredoing.Yeah,absolutely.

KC:Evidenceisgreat.Infact,weweretoldbyJakeSimpson,hesaid:Dontevertakeanyhardevidenceifanyonehandsittoyoubecause,actually,thatswhyyouresafe.

Inotherwords,whatwedoiswitnesstestimony,okay?Wearenotsomuchinterestedindocumentsyoucanfake,photographsyoucanfake,


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evenphotographsthataregood.

BillyMeierreallyhasthecorneronthebestphotographsprobablyintheworld,still,tothisday.AndwebelieveBillysstory,okay?Wedontthinkhesahoaxer,fortherecord.However,wedontthinkhestheonlycontacteeoutthereeither.

SotherearepicturesandIthink,astimegoeson,weregoingtoseemoreandmorepictures.Idlovetohavemorepicturesofdifferentbeingsandsoon.Ithinkthatsallwonderful.Itsliketheyarethere;theyreoutthere.Infact,thetruthisoutthere.

Itsnotaproblem.Youcangetthetruth.Allyouhavetodoisknowwhatresonatesandyoullbethere.Andyoucanprobablyseeitwithyourowneyesfromtimetotime.

BR:Itsourthinkingthatneedstochangeandthenthetruthwillcomewhenwerereadyforit.Sowerenottryingtoconvinceanyoneofanything;werenottryingtopresentproof.

Somepeoplewritetoussaying:Well,howcomethispersonsaysthisandthatpersonsaysthat?Theycantbothberight.

Andwesay:Look,weknowthat.[Kerrylaughs]Thatsnotthepoint.

Thepointisthatweretryingto...Letmephrasethiscorrectly:Weretryingtosupportpeopleintheirowngrowthprocessinbecomingmoreawakeandmoreaware;tochangetheirparadigm;tochangethewaytheylookattheworld;toallowthesethingstochange,sothatthisnewworldthatweallwanttoexperience,orthatmanypeoplewanttoexperience,itstartsinourownconcepts.Itstartsinthewaythatweseethings.

Whatweredoingisreallytryingtopresentanewwayoflookingattheworld.Itsalittlebitlikeifyourezoomedverycloseinonthisobject,whichismyhand,andyourejustacentimeterawayfrom

it,youdontknowwhatyourelookingat.Youvegottostepwaybackandthenyouseeitsahand.

Thenyoupullbackagainandthenyouseeitsanarm.Thenyoupullbackandthenyouseethatitsabody,whichisme,thenyoupullbackagainandyouseeusinthisroom.ThenyoupullbackmoreandthenyouseeAmsterdam.

Wehavetopullthiscameraback.Wehavetozoomoutreallyfar.Whatweretryingtodoisweretryingtoencouragepeopletoseewhatwecallthebiggerpicture.

Thebiggerpictureinvolvesotherplanets.Itinvolveswhatshappeningonthisplanetatacontrollevel.Itinvolvesothertimes.Itinvolvesancientcivilizations.Itinvolvessuchahugerangeofthingsthat,ifyoulookatanyoneofthemtooclose,yourenotgoingtoseethebigpicture.

Thatsreallywhywevegoneafterthisbreadth,becausethebreadthcomesautomaticallywhenyoupullbackandseethebiggerpicture.Theygotogether.


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AB:Yes.

BR:Thatsreallywhatweretryingtodo.Sowerenottryingtoproveanything.Weretryingtoencouragepeopletolookupontheworldinadifferentway.

Andthepeoplewhothankus[toKerry]thisismylastwordherethepeoplewhowritetoustothankus,thatstheenergythatkeepsusgoing.Earlieronwetalkedaboutmoney.

AB:Mm-hm.

BR:Itswonderfultoreceiveadonation,butitsevenmorewonderfultohear:Youknowwhat?Youchangedmylife.

Thatstheenergythatgetsmeupinthemorningreadytoworkhard.

KC:Yeah,Ihavetosaythatstrue.Absolutely.

BR:Andthepeoplewhowritetoussaying:Look,youchangedmylife.Theydontsay:Youconvincedmethatthisdocumentwasreal,oryouproducedareallyinterestingphotograph.

Theysay:Youhelpedmelookontheworld,andlookonmyplaceinthe

world,inadifferentway.NowIseeLIFEdifferently.

Thatstheimportantthing.Thatswhatsatstakehere.Thisiswhatweretryingtohelppeopletodo.

Andallofus,yourselfincludedinthisconversation,andallthepeoplewholaidonthisconferencethatwevejustbeenatyesterday,andmanyotherpeoplewhowillwatchthisvideoandthenpickupthatballandrunwithitintheirownway,intheirownmission,intheirownjob,becausetheyrealsospecial...wereallpartofateamhere.

Thatsmyclosingwordsthere.Howaboutthat?

AB:[laughs]Beautiful.

KC:Okay,yeah.Iwouldsaythatwerealsopresentingtheevidenceoutthere.Wereputtingthetestimonyoutthereofhumanbeingsthatyoucanwatchandseeandreadtheirfacialexpressions,andreallygetintotheemotion,aswellasthedrama,ofthisplaythatwereinvolvedinhere.

Ithinkthatthatsalsothepowerofvideo.

AB:Yes,verymuch.

KC:Inotherwords,IdontthinkthatwewouldInsomewaysCamelotcameintobeing,becauseofthepowerofvideoandtheInternet,andgettingthatoutthere.Inotherwords,ifyoureadthetranscripts,Ithinkyoumisssomething.

Itsreallyvitalthatpeoplebegintodeveloptheirownsenseofknowing,andyoucanonlydothatusingallthesenses,okay?Soifyoucantbehereintheroomwithus,wehopethatwhateverweconvey


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onthevideowillbeagreatsubstituteforthat,suchthatyouwillbeabletokindofgothereandbetherewithus,withthewitness.

AB:Foryourowndiscernment.

KC:AndIthinkthatpeopledogetthatsense.Whathappensistheyneedtodevelopdiscernment.Thatsthekeythingthat,Ithink,maybeCamelotcancontributetoislayingitoutthereinsuchawaythattheybegintodiscern:WheresthepersontellingTheTruth?Wheresthepersontelling,maybe,thetruthastheyknowit,butitmightnotquiteberight?

Or,whereisthepersongivingdisinfo?Notbecausetheyintend...becausewedontthinkanyofourwitnessesaregivingintentionaldisinfo,butwherearetheyactuallysellingsomethingthattheyveboughtabunchoffalseinformationon?

Thisispartofthebigpicturebecausethereisalotoffalsehoodoutthere.Whathappensisnobodytellsthewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth,becausetheydonthavethewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth,okay?

Thisissomultidimensional,thisexperiencewerehaving.

BR:Nobodyknowsitall.

KC:Truthonthislevelcouldbefalseonthislevelbecauseyourenotseeingawholelotofdifferentthings.And,asRichardHoaglandsays:Thelieisdifferentateverylevel.

BR:Nobodyknowsitall.Itstoobig.Nohumanbeingknowsitall.

KC:Sothisiswhyitssoimportanttohave,sortof,thewideview.

AB:Yeah,andImverygratefulthatyougiveusthewideview.Inasense,youreavehicletofine-tuneeverybodysowndiscernmentona

muchdifferentlevelthanwewereabletodowithoutyourwork.

So,Iwanttoreallythankyoufordoingthatandputtingyourlivesoutthereontheline.Reallygreat,greatwork.

Ihopethatwewillbeabletoenjoymuchmoreofyouandofthemostbroadpictureimaginable.

KC:Okay.Absolutely.

AB:Andthatwewillallseethedaythatweallknowwhoweare,wherewecamefromandwhereweregoingto.

Thankyouverymuchforthisinterview.

KC:Thankyou.Thatwasalovelyending.

BR:Yes,thatsabeautifulone.

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