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Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 Longest published annual real
estate outlook—33rd consecutive year
Most predictive industry forecast
Based on surveys/interviews with 950 industry leaders
Jointly published by PWC and ULI
“Nothing lasts forever. No more easy money”
“Recent high leveraged buyers could get hammered”
“Real estate players must steel themselves for a difficult, much slower
than normal comeback”
“Nothing lasts forever. No more easy money”
Emerging Trends Fall 2006
“Recent high leveraged buyers could get hammered”
Emerging Trends Fall 2007
“Real estate players must steel themselves for a difficult, much slower
than normal comeback” Emerging Trends Fall 2009
Emerging Trends in Real Estate® 2012
Presenters:Jonathan D. Miller
Author
Stephen BlankULI, Senior Fellow
Charles DiRoccoDirector, PricewaterhouseCoopers
More rent, please.
Facing A Long Grind
“Don’t let availability of capital cloud judgments –
demand drivers don’t exist and fundamentals need to
catch up.”
Real Estate Compares Favorably
Stocks Bonds Real Estate
The Wealth Island Phenomenon(aka Follow the Money)
24-hour gateways
Energy and tech markets
Apartments
The rest of the landscape is mostly under water.
Where is Demand?
Recovery in the “Era of Less”
“If you haven’t figured it out by now, this time is
different.”
Obstacles to Real Estate Rebound
Global jobs arbitrage
Productivity’s costs
Personal and governments debt loads
Demographic realities
Construction slowdown
Global financial morass
Financial industry recalibration
Global Jobs Arbitrage
Productivity’s Costs
Personal and Governments Debt Loads
Demographic Realities
Construction Slowdown
Global Financial Morass
Financial Industry Recalibration
Government Disarray
Ebbing Return Expectations
2010 Core: Take chips off the table
2011 Core: Mid to high single digits
REITS: Mid to high single digits
Commodity properties: Flat to low single digits
Legacy opportunity: 0%+
Opportunity: High risk, slipping expectations <15%
Commercial Property Price Index
All Properties—National Index
Source: Moody’s, Real Estate Analytics LLC, MIT Center for Real Estate, Real Capital Analytics.Note: This index is a periodic same-property round-trip investment price change index of the U.S. commercial investment property market. The index is based on the Real Capital Analytics database,which attempts to collect price information for every commercial property transaction in the United States over $2.5 million in value.
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Interest RatesInflation and Interest Rate Changes
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey.
Inflation Short-term rates(1-year
treasuries)
Long-term rates(10-year
treasuries)
Commercialmortgage rates
Increasesubstantially
Increasemoderately
Remain stable
at current levels
2012 Next Five Years
Cap RatesNCREIF Cap Rates vs. U.S. Ten Year Treasury Yields
Sources: NCREIF, Moody’s Economy.com, Federal Reserve Board, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP.*Ten-year treasury yields based on average of the quarter; 2011Q2 average is as of August 31, 2011.
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1992 1995 1998 2001 2004 2007 2010
Cap Rate
10-Year Treasury
Spread
Real Estate Barometer
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey.
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 20121
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Sell
Buy
Hold
Post-recession
Pre-recession
Transaction Activity Restrained Gateways: Priced to disappoint, recovery needs to
catch up
Secondary markets: Looking for relative bargains, finding higher risk
Apartments: Everybody goes gaga
Distressed debt: Slim pickings
Too Much EquityEquity Capital For Investing
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey.
7.3%
22.5%
14.0%
39.1%
17.2%
Substantiallyundersupplied
Moderatelyundersupplied
In balance Moderatelyoversupplied
Substantiallyoversupplied
Too Little DebtDebt Capital For Acquisitions
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey.
20.2%
43.1%
22.9%
12.5%
1.4%
Substantiallyundersupplied
Moderatelyundersupplied
In balance Moderatelyoversupplied
Substantiallyoversupplied
No Refinancing Emergency
Foreclose and dispose
15%
Extend without
mortgage modification
6%
Sell to a third party
25%
Extend with mortgage
modification54%
Maturing Loans: Preferred Strategy for Lenders
Sources: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey, Trepp LLC.* Through August 2011
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10%
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Delinquency rate
Delinquency rate average
CMBS Delinquency Rates
Rigorous Underwriting Standards
Equity Underwriting Standards Forecast for U.S.
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey.
30.5%
46.7%
22.8%
More Rigorous Will Remain the Same Less Rigorous
Follow the money
When it looks out of control, retreat
CMBS Snafu
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U.S. CMBS Issuance
Total($M)
Source: Commercial Mortgage Alert. * Issuance total through August 31, 2011.
Banks and Insurers
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U.S. Life Insurance Company Mortgage Delinquency and In-Foreclosure Rates
Sources: Moody’s Economy.com, American Council of Life Insurers.
%Delinquency
In Foreclosure
Bank Real Estate Loan Delinquency Rates
Construction and Development Loans Noncurrent Rate
0%
5%
10%
15%
20%
91 94 97 00 03 06 09
Notes: Delinquent loans are defined here as those that are noncurrent—either 90 days or more past due or in nonaccrual status. As of Q2 2011.Source: FDIC.
Multifamily MortgagesNoncurrent Rate
Commercial MortgagesNoncurrent Rate
Equity Players
Change in Availability of Capital for Real Estate in 2012
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey.
Foreign Investors
Private Equity/Opportunity/Hedge Funds
Institutional Investors/Pension Funds
Nontraded REITs
Private Local Investors
6.23
6.00
5.95
5.65
5.60
1Very LargeDecline
5Stay the Same
9Very Large
Increase
Public Equity REITs 5.56
Pension Funds
Talk: Income returns
Walk: Shoot for more to fill liability gaps
Denominator effect back
I need stable income returns.
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Foreign InvestorsForeign Net Real Estate Investments
Source: Real Capital AnalyticsNote: Net capital flows from second-quarter 2010 through second-quarter 2011.All dollars in millions.
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Despite tenuous markets, the USA looks relatively safe
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Markets to Watch
Only one of 51 surveyed markets fails to improve score over 2011
Prospects continue to improve for markets across the country
“Most markets have stopped deteriorating, but most haven’t really improved.”
Trendy Emerging Trends
Feathered–friendmarket finders
StandardColor
Coding
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Markets: 2011 Emerging TrendsMarkets: 2012 Emerging Trends
Top 10 Markets: 24 Hour Gateways Again
2012 2011
1. Washington D.C. 6.93 7.01
2. Austin 6.92 6.29
3. San Francisco 6.92 6.34
4. New York 6.85 6.56
5. Boston 6.60 6.20
6. Seattle 6.60 6.09
7. San Jose 6.58 6.08
8. Houston 6.46 6.02
9. Los Angeles 6.30 5.84
10. San Diego 6.17 5.63
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Most Walkable Cities Do Better
“24-hour Conveniences”
0 20 40 60 80 100
Washington D.C.
Austin
San Francisco
New York City
Boston
Seattle
San Jose
Source: Walkability data provided by Walk Score®, www.walkscore.com.Notes: Scores are on a scale of 0 (car dependent) to 100 (walker’s paradise). NA = not available.
Energy and Tech Markets Excel
2. Austin
3. San Francisco
5. Boston
6. Seattle
7. San Jose
8. Houston
11. Denver
12. Dallas
13. Raleigh-Durham
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
So Bigger is Better?Population > 3
Mill.2.0 – 2.9 Million Population < 2
Mill.
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Boston 6.60
Washington DC6.93
New York 6.85
Providence 4.20
Pittsburgh 5.16
Philadelphia 5.44
Northern NJ 6.10
Westchester/Fairfield, CT 5.74
Baltimore 5.44
East Coast
Washington DC
6.6 6.7 6.7 6.7 6.9 6.96.6 6.7
6.1 6.2
7.0 6.9
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Historical Rating
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Seattle 6.60
San Francisco 6.92
Los Angeles 6.30
Portland 5.81
San Jose 6.58
Sacramento 4.20
Inland Empire 5.30Orange County 6.01
San Diego 6.17
Honolulu 5.47
West Coast
Los Angeles
6.66.3 6.3 6.4 6.3
6.5 6.5 6.6
5.8 5.86.3
5.4
1.0
3.0
5.0
7.0
9.0
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Historical Rating
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Southwest
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Las Vegas 3.91
Phoenix 5.45
Tucson 4.21
Albuquerque 4.43
Oklahoma City 4.61
Denver 6.16
Dallas 6.10
Houston 6.46
Austin 6.92
San Antonio 5.83
Salt Lake City 5.17
Southeast
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Atlanta 4.65
New Orleans 4.54
Charlotte 5.58
Raleigh/Durham 5.96
Nashville 5.32Memphis 4.22
Virginia Beach/Norfolk 4.93
Florida
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Miami 5.81
Jacksonville 4.48
Tampa 4.79
Orlando5.19
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Minneapolis 5.38
Kansas City 4.73
St. Louis 4.48
Chicago 5.57
Indianapolis 4.76
Cincinnati 3.97
Columbus 4.03
Cleveland 3.48
Milwaukee 4.33 Detroit 2.88
Midwest
Best Bets
Caution Rules
“It’s not the time to be all in—investors should maintain liquidity.”
Blue Chip Gateways
“Prices may be outrageous in the bigger cities, but do you have confidence investing elsewhere?”
Holders and sellers may do better than buyers.
Job Centers
Value-Add Plays
B-quality apartments in good infill markets “that haven’t been shown any love”
Fixed Rate Debt
Lock-in long-term fixed-rate financing on assets, while interest rates stay low.
Recap Troubled Equity
The number of borrowers with decent assets needing refinancing only grows as troubled loans from the
market lending peak reach terms.
At low interest rates, investors can achieve especially favorable risk-return spreads.
Distressed DebtThe hard part is figuring out if the good assets in
offerings are worth acquiring given all the accompanying stuff
?
Land
“These are real steals but purchasers must be prepared to wait before homebuilding comes back.”
Apartment Building Boom
Go Green
“It’s not about tree hugging, it’s about bottom lines.”
Property Sectors
Apartments
Industrial/Distribution
Hotels
Office
Retail
6.75
5.49
5.36
5.10
4.75
1Abysmal
5Fair
9Excellent
Investment Prospects
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
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2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Multifamily Any Way You Like It“Even buy class C and upgrade, spend a little more, hold a little
longer, demand will be there.”
U.S. Multifamily Completions/Vacancy RatesThousands
of units
Apartment Rental: Moderate Income
U.S. Apartment Investment Prospect Trends
Apartment Rental: High Income
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Vacancy Rate %
Completions
Vacancy Rate %
Rating
Sources: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey, REIS* Forecast
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7
8
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Fortress Malls/Infill Shopping Centers
Power Centers
U.S. Retail Investment Prospect Trends
Neighborhood/Comm Centers
U.S. Retail Completions/Vacancy
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5
10
15
20
25
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35
96 98 00 02 04 06 08 10* 12* 14*6
9
12
15Completions Vacancy Rate(msf) %
Regional Malls
Sources: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey, REIS* Forecast
4
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7
8
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Coastal Port Industrial
R&D Industrial
U.S. Industrial Investment Prospect Trends
Warehouse Industrial
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey.
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4
5
6
7
8
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Business Center Hotels“It’s the point in cycle where lodging
makes sense”-- only the major 24-hour
Sources: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey.Smith Travel Research (1987 to 2010), PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP (2011 and 2012).
Limited-Service Hotels
U.S. Hotel Investment Prospect Trends
Full-Service Hotels
U.S. Hotel Occupancy Rates and RevPAR
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20%
40%
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80%
96 98 00 02 04 06 08 10 12*$30
$40
$50
$60
$70
$80Occupancy %
RevPAR
Trophy and Medical Office
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2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
Suburban Office
Suburban Office
CBD
Vacancy %
Suburban Office
U.S. Office Investment Prospect Trends
CBD
U.S. Office Vacancy Rates
Sources: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey, CBRE Econometric Advisors.* Forecast
Dream Houses
Improving Profitability
Prospects for Profitability in 2012 by Percentage of Respondents
1.6%Abysmal
1.3%Very Poor
4.7%Poor
6.1%Modestly
Poor
23.5%Fair
20.8%Modestly
Good
26.0%Good
11.0%Very Good
4.9%Excellent
Source: Emerging Trends in Real Estate 2012 survey
Facing A Long Grind
Emerging Trends in Real Estate® 2012Panel Discussion
Moderator:Douglas Poutasse
Executive Vice President Bentall Kennedy
Panelists:
Diana ReidExecutive Vice President
PNC Real Estate
Michael CovarrubiasChairman and CEO
TMG Partners
David LynnManaging DirectorClarion Partners