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ick here for Full Issue of EIR Volume 17, Number 23, June 1, 1990

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nteiew: Ted Gunderson

FBI's Laing sideswt Satn,says foer top bureau ofcFormer FBI ocial Ted Gunderson, in an intrview to EReditors Jerey Steinberg and Carol White, wad abut thespreading plague of satanism and satanic-rlated crim andsharply criticized the bureau for covering up the crisis. A fulltext of the interview will be published in the July 1990 issue

of ER's counterintelligence newsletter nvestigative Leads.Prior to his retirement from th FBI on March 30, 1979,

Gunderson had spent 28 years with the bureau, ending hiscareer as the senior special agent-in-charge of the LosAngeles Field Division, directing 700 employees and an annual budget of $225 million. Immediately following hisreirement, he was appointed by then-Attoey General Grif Bel to direct the security arrangements for the Pan-Ameria Games in San Juan, Puerto ico. etuing to Loseles, he set u a private rm, Inteational Security Consants.

Among the rst investigations Gunderson undertook with

ISC involved a former Green Beret ocer, Dr. Jeffry McDonald, who was accused of murdering his wife and childrenin Fayettevill, North Carolina in 1970. McDonald contendsthat his family was murdered by a satanic cult similar to theManson Family, which had carried out thir grisly murderson the West Coast just months before th McDonald murders.

As the result of his work for attoeys representing Dr.McDonald, Gunderson became increasingly awar of theexistence of a nationwide satanic underworld engaged indrug trafcking, poography, ritualistic murders, and othercrimes. For the last decade, Gunderson has developed anexpertise in the eld. More recently he has been involvd in

ivestigating alleged ritualistic sxual abus of students atthe McMartin Day School in Manhattan Beach, Califoia,ad similar allegations of satanic cultrelated crimes in Washion State. (In the McMartin case, a jury acquitted the twoefendans on 52 counts of the indictment in January 1990,t failed to reach a verdict on 13 of the counts; a secondrial is expected to take place n thse charges.) In 1983,Gunderson, alng with investigative joualist Maury Trry,author of The Ultimate vil, hlped develop critical videncein the ritualistic murder of Bradway imresari oy adin.

Gunderson has aard n natinwide television shws,

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including th Geraldo ivera shw, probing the satanic crime

threat. He has recently written a book-length guide for locating missing persons, titled How To Locate Anyone AnywhereWithout Leaving Home, which is available om Ted .Gunderson Associates, P.O. Box 5080, ong Beach, Cai

foia 90805 for $, shipping and handling included.

The FB suppressed evidenceIn his interview with ER Gunderson was particulary

critical of the role that his former agency has played in reentyears in supressing evidence of a burgeoning nationwide

satanic criminal structure. He focused much of his harshestcriticism on BI Special Agen Kenneth Lanning, the currenhead of the bureaus Behaviora Science unit at the FBI Traiing caemy in Quantico, Virginia.

Sinc the discovery of a satanic burial site on a drlantation near Matamoros, Mexico last spring, annin has

written a number of articles deying the existence of a saanicproblm in the United States, blaming the widespread conce over ritualistic crimes on religious fundamentalists, overzealous investigators, and quacks. Two of anninsharshest attacks on the idea of satanic ritualistic crimes ap

peard in the October 1989 issue of Police maaineand in a secial report published in December 189 by the

National Center For Missing and xploited Children aning has written that more people have been killed in henames f Jesus and Mohammed than in the name of Satan.

To which Gunderson responds:"In my opinion, other than Aleister Crowey, Anton La

Vey, and Michael Aquino [all well-known satanists active ithe Unitd States this century], Ken Lanning is probably hemost eective and foremost speaker for the sataic movement in this country, today or any time in the past.

Based on his own experiences probing the McDonad,McMartin, and other ases, underson is certain that a ationwid satanic underground exists in the United States:

"My investigations over a -year period have led me tothe xact opposite conclusions than those of Ken Lannin.There is very indication that there is a lose-knit satanic cnetwork prating in the U.S. It is probably a combinatio

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ee rp pepe nked to kddy po, prostin dr rckin and other criminal actiity intean mre rganzed strctre ters down to independent rops o satanists probaly not tied dirctly to tht netwrk. hese ocal groups also engage in drug trafckn rtlstc actiities ike anima and human sacrices.n elw tem, we enconter high schoolage kids who go

te cct hps and by the satanic literature and setp er wn ca ndependent grops. From hundreds ofere tt I ae peronay conductd in eery pa ofe cntr, I encnter a persistent patte eerywhere. Alle ore t he sme mod: animal and baby sacrices, thee cnde and ter ritastic props, robes, chanting,ec tee ctm-sriors, rom chidren to adults,

r a ten te ame basic storyIn te McMrtn cae, or example, before any criminal

cre were ed aant anyone, 460 complaints were led e Mnttn Beach poice. Are we to beiee that 460e ed eir cdren e ame story o rituaistic sexual

e crce, etc? i is a sbrban, auent de c nd pnt te kind o people incinedd e eie in tnc conpiracies.

How many clden ae elly issing?nderon ttcked annngs recent caims that the

er dcmented cse o mssing children in the nite e t er s nder 1 with the majority o thosece en teenaers eeing rotten ome enironments:

e FBI n ccrte cnt o the number of automo en eer er It know the number o homicides, n rerie Bt the FBI ha no idea of the number

cdre dpper eery yer. They simpy do not r te ttc. ery mont eery major poice departe n e nted tate es s niform crime statitics FB I wd be mpe or the bureau to add onere cmn t te tattic and et a breakdown of eeryed ce mn chidren Bt they dont do it. Theye n cenc b r mkng any estimates about theer mn chdrennt to ee mention chidren re kdnped or rititc prpses and, in some cases,ered I cnnced tt the FBI does not ask or thesec ece te d nt want to see them. They would nted n ntnt pc outcry for action, be

e re wd w a major social problem. Thatre d demnd action. nt eer er ao, there was a buit-in prejudice

n een c pce nd prsector against inestigat rttc crme I he interewed parents who went pice t deted ccnts rom their children ha ee x abed son the inestigations began e n re tatc actiities the probe wold be n dnt tnk tt th wa due to satanit penetra ercement in eery intance. I think that there tn prejdce

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"Founatey, in the pst ew yer nmer

police inestigators in dierent par te cr seriously taken up the issue of satanic crme In e cethe ofcr ha deeloped their expertise on ter tim. Now, hower, local police are more cnc the growing menace represented by atnic reted creritualistic iolence, etc. But the probem is ntn M

of th crimes we are talking abotnterstae trnpof poographic material, kidnaping, nterstate dr cing, etc.are federal crimes. A edra cern e intelligence on satanic-reated crime is rent neee

"I have evidence cheld in stonshwing ha he US Ay n tDepaen Jtice or uha saanic angle andram u DMcDnald. The McDonld c couhave exed a ajor eroin-ggling peration ot Vtminvlving highl placeAyqcia nning dgs nto te U.S.in he bd caviies ea GIs"

ather than creating such a capabiity t te rk edone by local police and many prite rp te FB consciously attempting to ry the enire e nd re

police into dropping their own eort"I am coninced that we are crnted t er

satanic penetration o eery eel cety ee eery leel.

"I was rst exposed to this probem o penetrin e instigated the McDonad case. Wiin 1 n ehired, I had obtained a signed adai rm eene tkeea membr of the satanic ct that carried t te mrder McDonald family. Yet an oerzeao proectr nre eidence and proceeded to prosecte Dr McDnd I eeidence chiseed in stone showin tat te r the Department of Jstice coered p tt tnc ne

ramed up Dr. McDonald. Why? mn er t e MDonald case could hae expoed a jr ernopration out of Vietnam inoin pced r

cias running dgs into the S. in te bd cie eAmerican GIsgreen body bas ded wt eri ements o this story een came ot pc n te n 1 1973issue of Time magazine. Bt that wa jt te tp e ceerWhen the McDonad case goes nto a retr I cn

dent it wilthere wil be denite inrmtn e cruthe drug angle and the corrpton o te precn

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